Alcon Inc. (ALC) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
January 10, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
David Adlington
analystGood afternoon, everybody. I'm David Adlington, head the European Med-Tech Research Team for JPMorgan in London. It's my pleasure to introduce David Endicott, CEO of Alcon. There will be Q&A afterwards. Please wait for the microphone for questions. But David, over to you. Thank you very much.
David Endicott
executiveWell, thank you, and good afternoon. We are excited to be here and start another year kicking off with JPM. It's fun to be back and talk about a lot of things that we've been working on. As most of you know, we have a broad portfolio of stuff and a broad kind of source of growth. And I think when you look at the surgical market or you look at the vision care market, you can see kind of steady mid-single-digit growth across the portfolio of markets in which we play, which is underpinned by a whole bunch of fundamental positives like aging demographics, comorbidity, the need for eye care being one of the highest interest topics for elderly folks, and obviously, the myopia epidemic running around the world. So I think, directionally, we feel like we're in some very, very positive markets and they run across a wide gamut of opportunities. Obviously, a big market, all in with about $33 billion. The thesis that we had when we spun out was really around product flow. It was really about, could we with the right amount of investment get products back in, grow in these markets, not just kind of at or below market, but rather above market rates. And I think we've demonstrated that really since the spin. We got product flow moving very quickly afterwards and through really '22, '23. And if you balance the 2 years, excluding the 2020 COVID year, you can divide that in half, if you like. But directionally, very good performance here as we kind of look forward to accelerating growth. I would say that what's been doing that has been a strategy that underpins a decision-making process that we think is unique at Alcon. We think that the basic idea has to be to focus on eye care and be really, really good at that. And we believe that folks that know these markets can anticipate which markets will develop, can anticipate where competitors will go and can apply technology in a way that others cannot. That specialty orientation, that focus will deliver superior results, better odds on the projects in which we engage. So, you do that with a disciplined capital deployment. With an efficient enabling function, you get leverage off of the top line growing significantly faster than your cost base. That has been the strategy, that's been the idea from the beginning. I want to cover a couple of ideas that kind of demonstrate that. One is, first and foremost, we put a lot of money into our contact lens manufacturing platform, into the development of a series of new products, of which many have occurred in the last couple of years, but there are several more to come. So I would point to -- in the contact lens business our Precision portfolio, our portfolio of Torics in particular. For many years we had enough capacity to support the spherical contact lenses, but not really the Toric business. So we entered the SiHy market, if you will, for Torics with a 0 share in 2021. So nothing, but upside from there, right? I mean the value of kind of getting fair share when you've got a DAILIES TOTAL product doing very well, but no Toric to complement it, was really substantial. We've been successful getting that TOTAL one out, same thing with PRECISION1 -- PRECISION1 Toric. We've got the multifocals now. We've got a new reusable where we see the opportunity, not so much as a growth -- a market -- a reusable market, pretty flat. But we have a disproportionately low share where we have a high [ 20% ] share in the contact lens market. Generally, we have a [ 16% ] share-ish kind of number in reusable. So very profitable business. Can we catch a little bit of profit and additional gain there by developing a better reusable, which one hasn't been done for a long time. So water gradient technology, use the TOTAL brand, apply it to a reusable, find our way into a more comfortable setting for that brand. It's done very well. Pataday over-the-counter, Systane Complete. Some additional Rx products that we brought to market have really benefited the Vision Care business as we've tried to build it out. Going forward, you'll see some more products coming. We've obviously got a multifocal on TOTAL30 to finish the family. We made some announcements on our dry eye product last night. We'll talk a little bit more [ of ] that in a minute. And of course, we are working on a weekly lens as a new modality, which again, we'll see in the next 12 or 24 months. So we're looking to kind of move that forward as well as an alternative to the 2-week market. I think directionally, the OTC product is something under-appreciated in this portfolio. I think, if you think about where the profit of the Vision Care business is really moving nicely for us, the Systane brand is a really exciting product around the world. This is the #1 artificial tear. Believe it, it is a terrific add to this portfolio, that along with Pataday has become a nice driver of growth, certainly this year, but also of profit in the Vision Care business. If you look at what's going on in our development program, we've got an HA add to the complete brand, which has really strong acceptance and potential going forward. We have a number of other ideas, I think, moving that way. You can see that the share is done. I mean, what we -- our thesis was put new products out there, you'll see growth. And this is exactly what we've seen. So when you go back to where we were pre-spin and what's happened since, it would basically have put new products in the market, and of course, the market has responded nicely. So directionally, we feel good about this strategy in Vision Care. It is driving our growth. And we are right in the middle of that growth right now. It is -- we're still kind of on the front end of what's going to happen here in our contact lens business. So we're excited about the potential growth going forward, both in contacts and OTC. A couple of notes on pharma to complete the Vision Care business. Rocklatan and the acquisition of Aerie has been a terrific program for us. We acquired not only capability in that process, but I think nicely growing glaucoma assets. Rocklatan has done very well. The market is generic right now. But we still are seeing an 8% TRx growth, which has been really good in a market that, I think, is adjusting right now. So we feel very positive about what's going on with Rocklatan and Rhopressa. And I think the surprise in the portfolio for us, or maybe just the upside and the thesis when we acquired it was, would we get a dry eye asset out of the program that was running at the time? And so, directionally, we're very excited about the results which we reported last night, which really have shown kind of significant change on the primary endpoint to drive a path to signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. And what we saw was not only significant difference and clinically relevant differences at day 14, which was the primary endpoint, but also at day 1, really important, and day 90, so end of the trial, so -- and improving throughout that. So I think what we're excited about is the potential of a product that works much faster, that could create a natural tear and not just a supplement for a lipid layer or a supplement for an aqueous layer or a supplement for a meibomian layer, but rather a tear that actually stimulates the trigeminal nerve, stimulates the natural production of your own tears in proper proportion. So that's a very unique mechanism, very interesting [ trip ] [indiscernible] and an exciting opportunity, I think, going forward. Directionally, we think this is a really interesting market. As we've said, there's a lot of people out there who have dry eye disease. Some of them are diagnosed, but not most of them. And obviously, those that have sought or are under treatment for prescription products is relatively small. So the U.S. market maybe $1.4 billion globally -- $3 billion. But I think directionally, this is a really interesting opportunity, and so rapid stimulation of production of natural tears, as you can see. And directionally, we see this as kind of a peak potential in the U.S. of about [ 250 ] to [ 400 ]. We have not pursued yet external U.S. registration. So we're working on that now. But we'll bring you more information as we get forward on that approach. Let me switch to the surgical piece and just give you the kind of the same story, different products, right? So when we started this journey, again, we started with this view that we had some stuff that was on the shelf that needed to be developed but was not being funded. We went ahead, funded a lot of that. Got some of the first products out that were really interesting, the PanOptix Trifocal. Again, very exciting, a new biometer, a new economically priced phaco machine. We've spent a lot of the time in the last couple of years converting from what was an older material or an AcrySof material to the newest material in the world, Clareon, the glistening-free, very clear material with new edge design, a design that we think is superior to all other materials that are in this market. We've obviously done a lot with Hydrus. We've got a new WaveLight Plus that's out now. And directionally, we see continued development in this area, and I'll talk to that. On the implantables area, I would just say that the big story for last year for us was a penetration went sideways. We started the year at [ 19 ]. We had hoped to get about 100 basis points of improvement. We did not get that. I think a lot of that is down to our view, which is staff turnover in the critical elements of moving patients into advanced technology lenses where they are cash pay, changed a lot. There was almost -- there was somebody yesterday who was talking about staff turnover in the 60% range in these critical roles where you've got to retrain people now and get them going. That's a very different world from where we saw the world several years ago. I'll also say that one of the things that was interesting was 20% of the high-volume practices in the U.S. now are in private equity, which means some of the most productive surgeons in our business have gone into an arrangement where they are now employees, not owners of that business. And the sum of the productivity questioning, I think that's going on in there, is an important question as to whether or not they're really motivated to keep doing what they've been doing. So, we see that as a temporary scenario. We believe, over time, this continues to grow. We know the headroom in penetration is somewhere around 35%. And we're sitting at about 12% globally. We're getting good penetration growth internationally, good share growth internationally. U.S. has gone sideways, and that has been the driver so far. So that's really the story from last year. Now going forward, lots of stuff coming. We've got a new PanOptix that's really working on contrast sensitivity and try to generate more energy at distance. I think these are really important ideas when you start splitting light or moving and stretching light. You will find that there are significant differences in the lenses, in contrast sensitivity and other kinds of moments where the clarity of what people see can be improved. We're on a path to improving that. Directionally, we've also got a lot going on in China right now. We have almost no share in China. I think we have less than a [ 10% ] share. We did just win the VBP process there. So we are the #1 position for all of the ATIOLs in each category. So we'll see an opportunity for the next couple of years to grow our international business on the back of China, which is the second largest ATIOL market in the world now. May not be known to people, but it is an important and exciting change. And obviously, we're working on new injectors. And we've got a number of things coming on the way that advance our autonomy project and change some of the interesting things going on in those spaces, so exciting stuff there. Probably the most interesting thing in the near term is going to be our next-generation phaco-VIT machine. This is a combination of a better, newer Centurion and a better, newer Constellation, and it will be in one machine. So it's a joint machine that will be approved somewhere this year. We submitted to both the U.S. and the EU in late December. So we expect a relatively rapid approval. We're going to spend about 1 year with this in market. So we'll probably sell 50 or 100 of them. Don't look for revenue this year, but look [ forward ] in '25, because I think what we're going to do is be in a very strong position to have tested this thing, washed it out, make sure everything is working perfectly because, obviously, we're working against 2 of the best machines in the world ever created. So we're going to make sure we got it right. As we go through that process, we are very excited about the speed of this machine, the safety of this machine and the time it takes to do additional surgery. So we believe that efficiency is the major topic to be solved [ for ]. We have lots of cataracts out there. We don't have enough cataract surgeons. The throughput that we can generate with these machines is significant. We think we can do more cataracts in a day, and that's going to obviously pay for a lot of value. We'd like to share in that value, obviously, with some kind of premium positioning of our consumables. So we'll work through that process over the next couple of years, very exciting technologies that have been advanced over the last really 5 or 6 years. Additionally, we obviously are involved in trying to change the speed at which we move cataract patients through the clinic. And in the pre-op phase, there are a lot of diagnostics that get done. And if you look down the right side here, there are about 6 tests that are often done. Most of them -- 4 of them at least are done almost all the time and a few of them are a little bit optional. But I would just say that directionally, the amount of time it takes to move people through this and the potential for error -- and this is really important. The biometer that we have now is doing really well. We've had a lot of success. Our win rate when we're head-to-head is better than 50% on Argos. We know we are a faster machine. We know we can get through hard cataracts better. And I think we feel really good about our ability to compete with the market leader, which is the ZEISS 7000 -- 700. The beauty of this machine will be that it puts all -- a bunch of machines into one, and with one click in a lot faster motion. You can collect all this data and export it then to a cataract planner and your electronic medical records. This is all going to be surrounded by the ability to move this data from the clinic to the cloud into the OR and then back postoperatively, capture the outcome and then improve the surgeon by recalculating surgeon constants. And also at the same time, beginning to introduce algorithms that we think are unique to our lenses and unique to those surgeons which will be done through a series of machine learning programming that will sit on the cloud and/or on the on-premise machine. So it's a really big opportunity, I think, to drive incremental value and incremental efficiency in the cataract system, which we think gets more throughput [ against ] -- we'd like to share in that value with the surgeons. As we look forward then, what we're really after is trying to make sure people understand the breadth of the vectors of growth that we have. And I think one of the things that we're excited about is certainly our surgical business where we enjoy significant share. But we're also very excited about our contact lens business, which has been a sleepy business for us for a lot of years, but it's really just now taking off. I think directionally, the portfolio of OTC products is underappreciated in many ways. We get a lot of benefit from both the margin and the growth in that market right now. The pharmaceutical business is small for us. But I think the AR-512 gives us an interesting opportunity to go along with a glaucoma market that's quite large. And when you look through the equipment part of our portfolio and the consumables part of our portfolio, premiumization of those consumables will drive additional value throughput on increasing the number of procedures that surgeons can do, will create economic value for the individual pieces of equipment that we create. So we feel very well positioned right now to continue to drive above-market growth in markets that genuinely are very sound and will be for some time. So with that, let me just finish that up. Thank you for listening to that. And we'll take any questions you may have.
David Adlington
analystThanks, David. I'll just kick off here with maybe a question on the new news this week on 15512. You've presented some of the data up there. But I'm just wondering, first up, when we might expect to see the full data?
David Endicott
executiveFully -- once we get the file in and we've analyzed everything for that and we can bring it forward, we will do that. I expect that will be sometime in the fall. But we've got probably [ 8 ] very important secondary endpoints. There's some -- there's a [ SAND ] score, which is the patient-reported outcomes. There's a series of other secondary endpoints, which I think will be valuable in thinking through how the potential of this product plays out.
David Adlington
analystMaybe sort of following on from that. In terms of the -- when you approach payers with these products, what do you think is going to be the key selling point? [indiscernible]
David Endicott
executiveWell, look, I mean, here's the idea, and I think it needs to play out in real terms. But I think what we believe is, if the product works on day 1, it has somewhere in the 50% response rate for significant improvement. That's very different than what you see with Xiidra and with RESTASIS. And I think what we'd like to say -- we'd like to see happen is that we can articulate that this product works quickly. And why would you put something that you have to wait 90 days to find out whether it's going to work in and most patients is not going to work. That's a lot of wasted resource to the payer when you've got a very high percentage chance and knowing of that very quickly. So if you need to come off of that product and do something else, you can do that, but you don't waste 90 days' worth of drug for 80% of the patients. That's a real immediate economic savings that we think plays. And I think it's really valuable, and that's the beauty of the [ onset ]. You're going to see a different kind of onset with this product versus others.
David Adlington
analystAnd then in terms of the sales force you're required for that, can you do that with the current sales force?
David Endicott
executiveWe may -- we would probably expand the current sales force if we do that. But we may also think about if -- what the portfolio looks like at that moment in time. We're probably still more than 1 year away -- 1 year, 1.5 years away from really having to deal with that idea. I do think that we have enough products in the portfolio now where we could create a glaucoma sales force. We could create an external disease portfolio with Pataday and it's sustained in it, and 512. We'll look at the potential of this to see whether it's better to expand the existing one or separate into 2. But we'll probably make that decision in 1 year or so.
David Adlington
analystAnd then just moving on to IOLs. You mentioned in the presentation how staff turnover [ been ] maybe a factor in not seeing the uplift of the 100 basis points in ATIOL shift. What's been causing that staff turnover?
David Endicott
executiveThere's a very interesting phenomenon right now I think where a lot of these skilled positions are moving amongst the cash pay people. And I think they're -- I don't know whether it's the moment in time coming off of COVID or whether it is just the demand for people who have these skills. But aesthetics has them, dentistry has them, plastics. There's a series of other specialists who have a lot of cash pay products. And they are a valuable commodity and they're moving around, I think, right now to opportunities if they see particularly the relationship between them and their practices change in some meaningful way. So it's an interesting phenomenon that we've at least observed in the last year or so.
David Adlington
analystAnd [ any ] thoughts in terms of whether we get to return to ATIOLs taking more share through '24?
David Endicott
executiveI'm sorry? Say it again?
David Adlington
analystAre we going to see a return to ATIOLs increasing their share through '24?
David Endicott
executiveWell, we hope so. I mean, I think -- we'll talk a lot more about '24 in February. But I would say that our general thesis on ATIOL share is that a lot of these markets have moved just very impatiently over long stretches. So ATIOLs have been basically a 50 basis point shift per year on average for about 15 years. It's a little bit -- and we expect that to continue on for another 10 years. So the beauty of that is that you get nice, stable market growth. And we should be able to participate in that. That's the same thing that's going on with contact lenses. It's been shifting from reusables to dailies for 15 years. It's got another 10 years to go, at least. So I think what's nice about that is it creates a nice, steady, stable market to participate in, and obviously, we share very nicely in that.
David Adlington
analystAnd then, you also mentioned Chinese VBP, which is a market historically you've had -- sort of underpenetrated certainly well relative to the rest of the world. How should we be thinking about scaling that opportunity for you this year in terms of the tailwind?
David Endicott
executiveWell, it's going to be a tailwind for us in China for sure. We have a very low share in China relative to everywhere else in the world. And we did not participate in the first go around believing that we could help. I think -- participating in the private sector of China I think what we learned was that the private sector is very overlapped with the public sector. And we've made a change to that. We participated this year. Obviously, we've made some positive strides there. I do think it also coincides nicely with the launch of Vivity, Vivity Toric, PanOptix and PanOptix Toric on the Clareon platform. So I think we are in a very good position to have the products we need at a moment where we are going to win the largest tender in the world, and we'll see how that plays out.
David Adlington
analystAnd then just on the equipment side, with the new launch coming, you're going to be quite conservative this year. Do you see any potential for clients to postpone the purchase of machine into '25 when the ramp comes through, and how will you manage that?
David Endicott
executiveYes. I mean, that's a natural phenomenon. And we'll see a little bit of the market freeze that you see normally when this happens. I do think we'll obviously -- if someone needs a new machine, we will offer them an upgrade path, so buy their Constellation or buy their Centurion now. When -- we get you on the list when we get the product, we'll get it to you, we'll trade in your existing machine, we'll work that out. So there'll be a little bit of that, but I do think we can manage it.
David Adlington
analystAnd then, just quickly on the contact lens side. This time last year you were pretty cautious on the outlook for the contact lens market and you're, I think, pleasantly surprised. Thoughts about [indiscernible]
David Endicott
executiveI've been wrong twice. I don't know if it should be wrong the third time. But we were -- we, like a lot of folks thought there would be a recession this year -- last year. There wasn't -- we did model it like the '09 recession and that was wrong. It didn't happen. I think what is -- we'll be wrong again this year, probably I hope not. But we've said we think this will be a normal year. It will be returned to kind of a normal growth rates, read that as mid-single-digits. And I do think that, that's historically where it's been. There's about 16 things that could go wrong with that assumption, but that's where we are right now.
David Adlington
analystAnd then pricing for the market has probably been better than it has been for some time on the contact lens side, probably [ helped ] by some supply issues in the marketplace as well. Again, pricing expectations going forward from [ that ] side [indiscernible] modest?
David Endicott
executiveWell, historically, the market value has always been driven by the trade up. And so, really, it's a mix shift. So 2/3 of the -- if you call it mid-single-digits for a contact lens, 2/3 of that value growth has been reusables to dailies. And then, there's been about 1/3 of that that's been priced historically. Last year it was a little bit better than that. There was a little bit more 50-50. But I don't think you're going to see that quite as aggressive this next year. I do think there'll be surprised, there always is. But I don't think that the environment will necessarily accommodate for a lot of price.
David Adlington
analystAny questions in the room, please? Just wait for the microphone.
Unknown Analyst
analystJust interested going forward in the IOL market, what are some new technologies coming out that could really kind of expand things, maybe not in the next year, but over the next 5 years and help you to gain even more share and provide more benefits for the people?
David Endicott
executiveYes. Well, I mean, if you go back to our Capital Markets Day last year, we've obviously been working on making changes to our existing lenses for the benefit, as I said earlier, of contrast sensitivity and/or putting more energy at the focal points that are of interest. I do think that there's a lot to be said for tunability postoperatively. And I do think that, while there are some tunable ideas out there, I think we've got a very good one with an argon laser that [ kind of ] [ lays ] pockets inside of the lens and fluid-filled lens. We've been working on that for a number of years. It's been slower than we would have liked. But it's been a very good idea. And I think directionally, something that you know for sure is going to be stable when you come out of it and stay that way, or if it doesn't, that you can adjust more easily with the laser that's handy, in your office every day, is a really big idea. And importantly, that is -- right now that -- we've got 3 ideas around that. One is a combined accommodating and adjustable lens. But if either of that combination doesn't work quite right for us, we know we can do the adjustability in other kinds of formats. So I think we probably have 6 or 8 ideas that we think create a postoperative adjustment process that is the most efficient one. Today, it can be done in some certain events with certain technology. But it's difficult and it takes 2 or 3, 4, 5 visits. Whether that's stable over the long haul, it's hard to know. And we'll see. We have to watch the [ explained ] data and see what happens there.
Unknown Analyst
analystThanks for the presentation here. Given your leading position in eye care, do you have plans to develop and commercialize the pharmaceutical ophthalmology products? If so, what will be your plans?
David Endicott
executiveWell, we're obviously continuing on with Rhopressa and Rocklatan. Those are terrific glaucoma agents that I think have a real place. And I think the -- going forward, we'll continue to work on AR-512, get the dry eye product out. That takes us [indiscernible] forward. But I think we will also -- we're looking as a strategy to continue what has always been a legacy of Alcon, which has been, what I would [indiscernible] call the development of these products. And I would mostly call that kind of technology enablement. We've never been the one that invented the biological activity. But we've bought a lot of them from a lot of really smart people who aren't that interested in eye care. So you think about the [ prostaglandins ], they came from Pfizer, the beta-blockers came from Merck. We always license those technologies and then applied science to them to formulate them for an eye, deliver them to the eye. And we've got a lot of different technologies. We're thinking about to try and reapply biologically active demonstrated activity in some other places. So we aren't going to do the R work, but we are going to do the D work. And we'll try and build our way into what was always a legacy business for us, which was a whole lot of pharmaceutical products that were probably too small for big pharma, but perfect for an eye care company like us.
David Adlington
analystA question for Tim, actually. So as we think about the building blocks, [ so ] for top line for '24, but in terms of the gross margin and operating margin, what are the [ bits ] we should be thinking about in terms of tailwinds and headwinds from here?
Timothy Stonesifer
executiveYes. I think not too dissimilar to what we talked about on the Q3 earnings call. I mean, FX right now is a pressure point for us. So as you think about year-over-year expansion, that will be a pressure point for us. But the overall P&L shape will be very similar. Whatever you think the market is going to grow, we think it's going to grow mid-single-digits. We plan on growing faster than that. At the same time, as I work my way through the P&L, we will see gross margin. We've got some mix input in there. We've got some FX in there. We're still working through some of that higher cost and inventory that we purchased in '23. But it doesn't work its way through the P&L until '24. So that will cause a little bit of pressure. But overall, we would expect operating margins to continue to expand. And again, the overarching thesis at the highest level is, we're going to grow faster than the market. We're going to continue to be disciplined around our cost envelope, make the appropriate trade-offs and manage that SG&A base, sort of inflationary type levels. And when we do that, we'll continue to get operating margin expansion.
David Adlington
analystAnd then just coming back to the glaucoma side and on Hydrus. In terms of how your thinking has evolved since you acquired the products, what are the key learnings and how you might address that going forward?
David Endicott
executiveIn Pharmaceuticals?
David Adlington
analystOn the stent side.
David Endicott
executiveOn the stents, yes. I mean, one of the really interesting insights, I think, on the stent business is, I think one of the adjustments we've made, which has really begun to accelerate the Hydrus product really nicely so, has been the mistargeting of kind of really core cataract surgeons. I think what you know, if you know the cataracts, is they really just want to do cataract surgery. The busiest of these guys are going to do one cataract, they want to do the next one. They don't really want to get hung up in the eye doing something else, and they really don't want to follow-up or have problems postoperatively. One of the targeting misses early on was, we were going to the largest customers with cataract surgery because the labeling was, of course, glaucoma and cataracts are going to make sense. You'd go to the guys that have the most. But their intuition isn't to slow down on a particular case and really be patient to put something in like this. And then they really don't want to do the follow-up work if they don't have to. And so I think directionally, what we've been much more successful with and has really begun to accelerate is getting comprehensive ophthalmologists involved in this and really thinking about where do we refer these combined procedures to, inside of a group practice, so that if you're the cataract specialist, you keep doing what you're doing, but send me the combined procedure because I can do it. You don't really care because I'll send you a cataract patient and we'll work that out. And that's been a very successful move for us. That, plus the glaucoma specialist who, I think directionally have been a big supporter of this. The data on Hydrus is unsurpassed in its efficacy. I mean, you're seeing now, I think, really valuable reduction in 5-year data that says we're off medications for significant portion of the population, putting off second surgeries. These are demonstrable outcomes that are better than anything else out there. We're excited about what this can do. What we need to do is make sure we get more surgeons bought into the process, because it's not an easy surgery, but it's not a hard one either.
David Adlington
analystAnd I think this is an area where Europe is actually leading the way versus the U.S.
David Endicott
executiveIndeed. And also, in the total algorithm of glaucoma, if you think about it, I mean, some time ago, Europe started down the SLT path, which I think is an important thing to think about, which is, if you can do non-interventional -- well, I'll call it loosely non-interventional stuff, that really -- you can do it earlier in the process. First of all, treat earlier, treat non-interventionally to the extent you can and then work your way through a path of drops, start with us [ and to ] go to drops. Tri-laser, Tri MIGS, end up in shunts and tubes. That's a path that makes sense. And I think that's really been developed more effectively outside the U.S. than it is here. But it will -- I think it's coming.
David Adlington
analystAnd then, there's been some discussion in the market around the potential for refractive surgery to impact the outlook for IOL surgery. It'd be great to get your thoughts on that.
David Endicott
executiveYes. I don't think it has any meaningful impact. Fundamentally, refractive surgery has been going on a long time, the bolus of patients that was described in some folks' views. There wasn't -- maybe it was 2x what it was, but it went from 1.5 million procedures down to somewhere in the [ 700,000 ] range. But that -- most -- the average age of a refractory patient is 35. Average age of a cataract patient is 65. So you're going to have to have 30 years and that doesn't add up to anything anytime soon. So what you're really talking about is a couple of misses in calculus there. If you want -- if you have an irregular cornea, which is really the thesis, there is a very logical idea, which is, it's more complicated to get that right with a surgeon and doing their case correctly and getting all the measurements correctly. But advanced diagnostics and better lenses like Vivity, which gives you a very wide landing zone, gives you a lot of room for that area. And I think that's why that continues to be the #1 lens used in difficult corneas.
David Adlington
analystAre there any further questions from the floor? I think we guys should wrap it up there. Thanks very much guys.
David Endicott
executiveThanks very much.
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