American Resources Corporation (AREC) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Greetings, and welcome to the American Resources Corporation First Quarter 2024 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mark LaVerghetta, Vice President, Corporate Finance and Communications. Thank you. You may begin.

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of American Resources Corporation, I'd like to welcome everyone to our first quarter of 2024 conference call and business update. We always welcome these opportunities to provide an update on our business and discuss our accomplishments we've made over the past several months and how we are uniquely positioned within the markets that we serve for our American Carbon, our American Metals and ReElement Technologies division. Also on the call today with me is Mark Jensen, our Chairman and CEO; Kirk Taylor, our Chief Financial Officer; and Tom Sauve, our President. We'll provide some prepared remarks today, and then we'll get into some Q&A at the end for that part of the call. First, before we start, I'd like to remind everyone of our normal cautionary statement. Certain statements discussed on today's call constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors, which could cause actual results to differ materially from the results discussed in the forward-looking statements. When considering forward-looking statements, you should keep in mind the risk factors, uncertainties and other cautionary statements, which are laid out in our press releases and SEC filings. We also do not undertake any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Lastly, for anyone wanting to ask any questions today, I believe you'll need to dial in by phone to get into the queue. We're going to slightly modify the cadence of the call today because it's been just about 7 weeks since our last call and update. With that, I would like to first address and recognize our Chief Financial Officer, Kirk Taylor's efforts, and quickly and successfully responding to the situation in regards to our previous accounting firm BF Borgers and their permanent suspension from practicing before the Securities and Exchange Commission as a PCOB registered public accounting. We were made aware of this situation just on May 3, and Kirk and our team responded quickly to meet our deadline for filing our quarterly financial statements. In light of the extremely tight time frame, the SEC did just issue exemptive relief for the affected registrant, which is about over 300 companies from our understanding and an additional period of time to hire new qualified independent accounting firm and file their financial information with the commission. We'd also like to thank our Board of Directors and our audit community for responding under an unprecedented short time frame to allow us to engage our new qualified PCAOB, registered public accountants, GBQ Partners, the quick response, the time, the focus of our board and our team allowed us to run an extensive process to meticulously interview and evaluate multiple PCA or registered public accounting firms that can handle the growth of our platform of infrastructure supporting assets and operations. Lastly, we'd like to thank GBQ Partners for their hard work, timeliness and professionalism and enabling us to meet our deadline without having to take any further extensions. I think this situation and how we were able to respond exemplifies the strength of our Board and team in getting things done. The accomplishments we've made, especially in the critical mineral industry with ReElement Technology showcases how far we have come in a relatively short period. ReElement has positioned itself as the world leader in deploying efficient, low-cost and environmentally safe critical mineral refining capacity outside of China. We find ourselves as at the tip of the spear in providing real critical mineral refining and sustainable solutions to the entire world to diversify away from a single source monopolistic economy. And that really is the true value proposition of ReElement technologies. We strive to be as transparent as possible with how we are positioning American Resources in each of its subsidiaries and the milestones that we achieve. Looking back, it's remarkable at how far we have come since we first announced our ReElement Technologies division, just about 3.5 years ago. We try to recap our accomplishments on a quarterly basis and find ourselves very selectively choosing which milestones to highlight. Our milestones are supported and driven by our substantial platform of assets, our intellectual property and groundbreaking technology and our best-in-class team. From a corporate standpoint, our goal is to continue to execute on our strategic directive and spin off American Carbon Corporation and ReElement Technology Corporation into stand-alone companies by the end of this year. With that, I'd like to now turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Mark Jensen. Mark?

Thanks, Mark, and thank you all for joining. I'm going to keep my remarks relatively short today, but feel free to ask any questions. As you've just heard what we said, and we try to be as transparent as we can with our public communication. From a corporate level, I couldn't be more pleased with the positioning of our various divisions and the efforts that our team is putting forth in this transitionary period of time. As you recall, there's a strategic committee from our Board had set a game plan of spinning off the various divisions. We accomplished that with our Novusterra interest, which all shareholders should have those shares in their account. If they do not check with your broker, we understand that there could be some short interest out there that is still holding shares that haven't been delivered to certain accounts. It takes a lot of effort to prepare these positions as stand-alone entity, setting up the agreement, setting up the -- and positioning these assets to the stand-alone companies and the management teams of them. So we're excited about the position of where we're at and the efforts that our team is set forth to accomplish this in short order. American Carbon, we've announced our record date and our distribution date. The nice thing about American Carbon, we have a phenomenal CEO in place of Tarlis Thompson, born raise in Pikeville, Kentucky and the heart of our mining assets, which is where American Carbon really is a permit holder. And so spinning off those permits, to be in a position to operate very lean and efficient, it puts in a very strong position with the equipment that was then leased to it from American Resources, makes it a very streamlined operation as well as with these bond releases that we're getting. So we're preparing them for low-cost operations, post spin-off work and ramp up operations as a stand-alone company. Secondly is our ReElement Technology spinoff. We within the next couple of weeks, and we'll announce the record date as well as the distribution date for ReElement Technologies. And we believe these needed to be stand-alone entities where they're positioned to grow and really operate within that realm of the business. And then American Resources, the holding company can execute upon its vision. We have some new announcements of where the business is going from a holding company perspective and the future operations from commodity trading to investing into the magnet and battery supply chain and the commodity markets of investing in these mines that then can partner with ReElement on that refining capacity, as well as we have identifying management teams for American Resources post-ReElement spinout. And so we're really excited about some of the progress we're making there and the opportunity that it's going to offer for our investors to own these individual pure-play opportunities within the marketplace where we believe on a separated basis, will trade at a significantly higher multiple than where they trade today. And simpler stories trade well in the markets, especially smaller companies and will enable the companies to be positioned for growth, the teams to be motivated by the equity, which they own in those as management teams own a significant stake within the interest of the companies themselves. Quickly, I'll dive into American Carbon. American Carbon, as I mentioned, on the permits around the mining operation. We are very quickly in the midst of spinning that division off and distributing those shares to our underlying investors. With the goal of ramping up those operations, predominantly focused on Wyoming County Coal, significant development taking place there from an equipment perspective and from a face-up perspective, being unleashed there to finish that face up to put the mine into production and then also the equipment that we've been procuring for that operation and rebuilding that equipment and staging that equipment that we could be delivering into Wyoming very shortly. Really excited about the quality of that, most highest quality coal, the steel industry that's produced in the United States from a mid-wall perspective, low sulfur really attractive. And then our McCoy Elkhorn complex, a perfect blend product actually for Wyoming County being a high-vol product and very high quality there as well. We're excited about the opportunity there. And then continually looking at either selling pieces of the American Carbon division and evaluating offers that come in and making sure that these individuals can close. So we're still in litigation on the nonpayment against our Deane complex. We are filing statements to get that resolved and get our money from the people that claim they were going to buy it and working aggressively with our attorneys on that. And then evaluating the other offers that we're seeing these properties to make sure these individuals can actually close when they sign the agreement. Very excited about our Jamaican iron ore diversified mineral complex that we acquired, the iron ore vanadium, titanium reserve that's present there, working with the local operating team, a phenomenal team that actually came out of the coal mining industry many, many years ago that have moved to Jamaica and are well positioned to help us ramp up that complex. So that one, we hope to have some really significant developments on here shortly. It's a huge reserve, a low-cost base being in the sands complex, not hard rock. So there's less preprocessing that's needed there, and it will enable us to move pretty expeditiously on getting that complex up and running. Furthermore, the American Carbon division does have the rights to the preprocessing and concentration steps of element on the rare earth element side. So Wyoming County Coal, we're excited about the preliminary also come back on that. I would say, some of the highest rare development characterizations in the carbon industry that we've seen at 500 parts per million verified by our independent third-party lab. There's been results of what Ramaco has been doing in Wyoming. The reserve base we have in Wyoming. We're not mining this material. This is coming from tailings, so we don't have the extraction costs that they have, and we have a higher parts per million than what they have. So we're excited. Hopefully, they're super successful. We'd love to refine their product to ReElement, but at the same point, we're tackling a product that's easier to produce, lower cost to refine and a higher-quality product. So we're excited about pushing that forward. And then also, obviously, significant reserves within Kentucky that we can tackle as well on the rare earth side from carbon waste, so long as you monetize it with byproducts, you have to do that. We're tying that to our mining operations to enable it to be cost effective and be a supply chain partner to the domestic national security supply chain. ReElement Technologies, a tremendous amount going on in ReElement, led by the operational side with Jeff Peterson, our Chief Operating Officer, has done an absolutely phenomenal job of positioning the business for success, positioning the business for growth. What's really exciting about is the versatility of our technology and the cost structure of our technology, meaning that we can refine critical minerals, rare earth elements of very, very cost-effective structure. So we're starting to see the interest level from the US markets, where historically, all this product and all these concentrates in black mass and materials in China. I think with the current tariffs that got put in place, that's a huge tailwind behind our back that's helping drive this industry forward and putting us in a really nice position given we're the one of the only refining technologies in the US that can operate at a lower cost structure than China. And we're showcasing that on a daily basis today. The facility operating LFP Black Mass, we just got a big samples in from our partners at Duesenfeld, as well as another one of our partners in Canada, which we're excited to continue to process that in our Noblesville facility and continue to expand the production capacity in our Noblesville facility, including bringing in a new oven this week. That will enable us to increase our capacity pretty significantly, and we'll continue to do that. In our Noblesville facility as we get ready to unlock our Marion facility, which we just got a Certificate of Occupancy for. Noblesville is a 7,000 square foot facility. We can produce per square foot, a significantly higher multiple of materials than any other refining facility in the world. Our Marion facility is 400,000 square feet under roof, 42-acre campus, rail load out on site as well as a significant number of other logistics from the truck side. That will enable us to run at full capacity to be a true supply chain part of our rare earth element side as well as the battery materials side from lithium to other materials at cobalt and nickel that we can process in that facility. We're also excited about the feedstock capabilities of our technology. So it's not just one material, it's not just black mass, it's not just in device magnets. It's not just lithium ores from spodumene or rare earth ores, which we now have access to as well that we secured that the final stage, the exclusive rights to all feedstocks, all elements for our technology today worldwide from Purdue University, a phenomenal partner of ours, but also have recently been processing brines, testing brines within it and the efficiency and efficacy of our technology to significantly simplify the flow sheet from brine producers. Producing from brine, you have to take parts per million or parts per billion material and concentrated. It's very challenging. We can help them significantly reduce their cost structure by bringing in our technology on the separation purification step to make lithium carbonate, lithium hydroxide cost effective from brines, not only in the US, but also worldwide. Furthermore, we launched recently our Powered by ReElement division. Powered by ReElement, you can think of us as a JV partnership with all the different refining or recyclers out there where we offer that separation purification step, really the heart of what we do at ReElement to these partners to unlock their business model, but also make our shareholders money, complete the supply chain, help us grow more expeditiously and move faster to truly get refining capacity, not only in the US, but worldwide, up and running faster to compete head to head against China, which we can now do. So we're really excited about that product offering. It's a product offering that we believe can generate significant revenues in partnership-based models with reducing our CapEx or capital needs. Our Noblesville facility, as I mentioned, our customer qualification plan, validation plan. We're in validation with over a dozen companies today, where we've sent lithium carbonate to those customers. It's a fairly long qualification process with battery producers. We're also very excited about an MOE we're signing on the technical grade of lithium as well, which is a much faster process to start moving revenue forward quicker with a partner out of Europe that we're going to be very quickly moving forward with. Our Marion facility, as I mentioned, we got our stiff of occupancy, working on project financing, tax exempt bonds very similar to what we just did with Kentucky lithium, have a phenomenal partner in Hilltop securities with that. That's helped us finance our Wyoming County facility, helped us secure $150 million for our Kentucky lithium facility and now working on our Marion tax exempt bond and just a really strong partner. One of the best companies I've worked with in the space on the financing side of creatively working in the best interest of our shareholders. So I'm really excited about working with them and excited about what they bring to the table here. As I mentioned, we're starting to see a significant number of feedstocks come in, so black mass LFP black mass, which is unique. Most people can't make money at it. We can. The NMC Black Mass, uniqueness of how we efficiently tackle that to produce the products needed and then the Magnet Black Mass. We have a number of different magnet partners that we are working with and taking product in from power tools to the automotive manufacturer that we work with here domestically, that's supplying us magnets on a monthly basis as we speak. So we're building significant feedstock to meet the demand of the customers we're seeing on the rare earth oxide supply chain. There are some really great companies in the US that are building out that supply chain. And we're in, obviously, USA Rare Earth, AML, AML is a phenomenal company, really need technology, but there's multiple other companies that we're working with as well that are needing these oxides to supply the base and not only commercial, but also national security supply chains. And then international. International side of the ReElement. So ReElement Technology is not just for the United States. It meets the needs of the globe. And honestly, it should be used throughout the globe. It protects the environment. It drops cost structure. It make the election fight economy affordable. So we're excited about the development we're taking that's taking place on the international level. Specifically in Africa, making tremendous progress there. We had some phenomenal visits in Nigeria. We have a great partnership that we're developing in Nigeria with a massive reserve. We visited the mine. Really excited about the developments there, and I think we can get to a partnership very, very quickly that we can bring to the market and share what we're doing there. But it's one of the largest reserves I've ever seen, and probably one of the largest reserves in the world and so really excited to work with this team just a phenomenal partnership phenomenal team, as well as looking at cobalt ores in Africa and some other unique product mixes like niobium and some of the other ones that we're working with in the African continent. Really, what the key of ReElement is, is we provide low-cost, environmentally sensitive refining. Now obviously, environmentally sensitive is a key word. But what's nice about our process is we're chemical light, we're energy light, and we're water light. And so not only is it environmentally sensitive, but because of that, it makes it really cost effective. The ability to produce lithium carbonate at around $5 a kilogram, where you saw a drop below 13% and all of a sudden people started shutting in production. We have a natural hedge built in place because of our cost structure of our technology, producing rare earth oxides at sub-$1 a kilogram at scale enables us to compete head to head against China so that when China hammers a price, which they're going to do, especially these tariffs, we can survive and thrive where a lot of our competition is going to be struggling. So we bring that low-cost structure to the table to create that natural hedge and then natural value proposition. Our goal is to really focus and drive home ReElement and the ReElement product line and ReElement offerings. We believe this is a multibillion-dollar company. We believe the technology is a platform technology. We believe we have a phenomenal team in place, a phenomenal board in place in ReElement that will fare really well as a stand-alone company that will help drive this business forward in the United States but also globally. And so really excited about where we're positioned within the environment. We're relatively early within it. Not a lot of focus on refining in the US today despite the desperate need for it, but it's starting to come to fruition very, very quickly, and we're right in the heart of that right in a sweet spot to capitalize on that opportunity. In closing, we remain extremely confident in the positioning of all of our assets and the long-term value that they provide to our shareholders. We remain hyper focused on unlocking that value. We have ample liquidity and don't foresee us needing to issue equity, at the ARC level at these prices. We continue to explore equity partners at the ReElement level, at the American Metals division as well as the American Carbon division, on the operating basis that could help grow the businesses better, faster, stronger, always looking at unique opportunities like our Tax-Exempt Bond financings to bring in capital and to do that in a non-dilutive fashion. With that, I really thank all of you for joining today. We kept it a little bit short, but happy to answer any questions that you may have. And look forward to some very real-time communication that should be coming out of our business, from progress that's taking place as we speak over the next few weeks and look forward to get these businesses separated, so that we can focus on driving that value and unlocking that value for all of our shareholders. With that, I'd like to turn it back over to the moderator for some Q&A.

Thank you. And at this time, we'll conduct our question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Heiko Ihle with H.C. Wainwright. Please state your question.

I assume you can hear me, okay?

Yes, we can.

Great. ReElement's Marion Carbon at the American Resources project there, you've got this $45 million tax-exempt bond that funds some of your expenditures, any idea of how much of these funds have been?

Yes. So roughly around $20 million of them have been spent to-date. And so that's buying the equipment, developing the property, positioning the prep plant, securing additional components to expand that prep plant, so quite a bit of liquidity still on that project.

Yes. And conceptually, how should we expect the spending of the other $25 million?

Yes. So here in the next few months, finishing the development of it and then putting the mine into production. So our goal -- and just being transparent, I mean, Wyoming is a different beast with the taxes on bonds focus in getting out of production as soon as possible. Working through some nuances around the permits and some new regulations that came in around permits of Salamander, which is a new thing for us. In the streams around there, which we don't have, so it's a good thing for us. But the Wyoming is focused on going in production as possible. We've been focusing on getting American Carbon spun out before we ramp up the balance of the carbon operations. So in the meantime, we've been doing a lot of development and cost reductions, reducing bonds outstanding, positioning the assets, focusing on the most highest value assets as we bring these back on post-spinout.

Fair enough. Speaking is spinout great to lead over to my next question. Any idea what the cash costs for the ReElement Technologies in the American Cloud's been going to be? In other words, how much of a check, do you have to write for legal expenses, consultants, I have no idea all the people that get their hands out.

That's a good question. So we try to reduce those expenses. We're a pretty experienced team. We have great lawyers that work for us. We have great auditors that work for us. We have to go back and do some -- we had to push back the American Carbon distribution, because we do have to do some audit work on that, because the Forge situations, which we are evaluating options there of what we do from a damages perspective, to make sure we protect our shareholders in the best way. But we don't think it's going to be overly expensive. And we work with our transfer agents. We work with the different exchanges and/or the re-listing of these companies if they do spinout in the private environment. But it's not an overly expensive process. There's just a lot of boxes you've got to check. And so it's working through the nuances of that. We've obviously just did it with Novusterra, so we're very familiar with the process. And we're working through that as we speak with American Carbon and working with our transfer agent on that as well as the ReElement Technologies division.

But you wouldn't be willing or able to give you a number.

Sub $0.25 million. I would say sub $0.25 million. Obviously, there's a little bit more of that to go into with the new audit work, but other than that, it's a pretty low-cost process.

More in my head, I had a number that was a multiple of that. So no, that's actually very helpful and quite reassuring. And with that, I'll get back in queue.

Yes, absolutely, well, I'll say that one add on to that, Heiko, is that, we're equity owners. The management teams, the majority of the executives of the company are some of the largest owners of the company or are the largest company owners of the company. And so we look at it as it's our own money. And that's how we treat this business from day one is that we try to protect it for all of our shareholders, so we all win together. So we don't like to pay as if you don't have to. But we like to do things the right way as well. And make sure we're following -- I mean, like with this recent audit stuff, bringing the new auditor. I mean this is a phenomenal group to work with extremely professional. And so we're excited about that change, but excited about making sure that when we're spending money is being spent in a way that tries to maximize the value for all of us.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And our next question comes from Mark Stone.

I'd like to inquire about the trading status of the Novusterra stock that was dividend out a little over 2 months ago. I have no evidence. The shares were placed on that Colorado right away, but I have no evidence of any actual trading symbol or that there's actually any trading available? Can you comment on that?

Yes. As of now, there is not. So it's not a Public Company, it's a Private Company, but you are an owner of that company. The company has filed an S-1 and is now responding to those comments on the S-1 with the goal of listing on the public environment. Obviously, there's a separate management team in place there, a separate Board, and they're working through that process. We're excited about the developments on the operational level of Novusterra with the Army and Air Force contracts through Kenai Defense and the development of the technology. But they're working through the public listing process, and I anticipate here in the next few months, then refilling the comments to their S-1 to expeditiously pursue the public listing.

So can you comment on what that process is going to be for American Carbon and ReElement? Will those be traded right away after the dividend or some others will happen?

We are working on that. So we're working with different exchanges, working on getting the financials re-audited from the BF Borgers situation. I can't give 100% clarity on it, but the intent is for them to be publicly listed.

So is it actually, is it prudent to make the dividend prior to the actual availability to go immediately into a trading status?

Yes. I believe so, because I believe it maximizes the value of the companies. I mean at the end of the day, the focus is on maximizing shareholder value, and that puts the businesses in the best operational position for success. So we do believe it does and the Board does.

I'm really asking because of the Novusterra situation. So I guess what I don't want to see is, significant value of American Resources is spun-out and now those stocks are owned, but not treated that has implications for the liquidity of the stockholders of the American Resources.

It does. Well, I mean, American Resources, obviously, you still on your stock there, so you have liquidity within your position that you have. The Board believes it has the best separate these companies and do it as expeditiously as we can. So you still have liquidity, but you also own interest in the individual entities as well that are there. I think the Novusterra situation was a great situation for our investors. We own something that was a non-core asset. We weren't running the business. It was an asset held. We feel that it puts the individual shareholders in a position to make a decision on what they want to do with it, once it's listed. But I believe also simplifies the story of what American Resources is doing. So as we distribute these underlying divisions, it simplifies the public markets for American Resources, which should drive value. We believe both the distribution American Resources is well undervalued still based on where it's going as a business and what it has in place. And the royalties that are received back from American Carbon as well, which we believe will generate significant value for the American Resources shareholders. But we believe separating these businesses, streamlines the businesses, positions and businesses for growth. And then also will, in the short to medium to long term, we'll provide that additional liquidity of the individual securities that you held. We don't believe we're getting value in the American resource level. We don't believe anybody valuing the underlying securities of element. We don't believe they're valuing the assets that American Resource owns on the equipment side. We don't believe it's valuing the permits on the carbon side. And so together, clearly, there's a disconnect of what we believe the fundamental value is and the asset value of the businesses versus what the market is. And so the Board made the determination that we believe we need to simplify the messaging and simplify the corporate structure of the individual entities.

So my comment on the liquidity was from the perspective of the shareholder. And if we look forward to, say, American Carbon and ReElement, if those basically now constitute a significant portion of the value of the American Resources of stock when they go ex-dividend and one should anticipate a significant reduction in the stock price of American Resources based on some of the value being dividended out. And that now all that significant value now is not actually liquid that has not reduced the liquidity of the shareholders. So that is what my comment was about. And I guess I have a concern that you'd be more transparent with regard to the future stock dividends split off than has been the case in Novusterra?

Yes, I don't know if we can be any more transparent because we shared exactly what we're doing with the investors. And I'm not saying that the investors won't be -- the companies won't be public post distribution. I said I can't give you clarity on that today as we're working through the audits, given the order situation and working with the different exchanges based on that. But I don't also believe that the American Resources will -- that those should trade down. I believe that the fundamental value at American Resource, the royalties that's going to get off the Carbon division and the assets that it holds and the direction of American Resources as a whole, even post distribution, well, I think it's trading at a discount to the comps within the marketplace. And ultimately, our goal with Carbon and ReElement is for them to be public companies. And so we're working expeditiously to that. As no different than Novusterra is, but from day 1, we said that we're distributing Novusterra as a privately held company. It didn't have any effect on the stock price post distribution because it was not being reflected within the market value of the company.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike Niehuser with ROTH Capital Partners. Please state your question.

Mark, can you hear me okay?

Yes, can hear you great.

Great. How soon do you think we'll see some meaningful production coming out of Marion, because I'm imagining that the way things are going and how quickly this can be deployed, at least on paper, could be at a substantial step up by the end of the year, but I don't want to get ahead of myself. Can you give any thoughts about scale, rate, commencement dates, commissioning, anything as it's being fleshed out on Marion?

Yes. So we just got shifted of occupancy. We had to install fire suppression up there. But I will say that we are continually expanding our capacity also in Noblesville in the meantime. And so the way that we look at it is Noblesville, we will continue to expand our refining capacity there. And the first step would probably be moving our preprocessing up to Marion and/or to our River property that we have to further expand production out of Noblesville. But the Marion crew, the team out there has done an absolutely phenomenal job on the renovations on the development. We've just got the industrial natural gas line installed or it's being installed this week, started on last week, which enables the kilns to be fired and some of the preprocessing steps to be done very efficiently. But our goal is to have operations up and running there this year within the calendar year but also furthermore to continue to expand our production capacity in Noblesville to further handle the demand that we see and the qualifications that we're getting through with our customer base.

And I think that the technology is modular enough that it seems like you can just start replicating a Noblesville size operation to meet demand or whatever the needs of the customers are. That's the whole powered by ReElement thing, isn't it?

Yes. We're powered by ReElement is working with offering the separation purification step to other industry partners, other recyclers out there that are spreading batteries, but they can't refine them and/or they can't maybe extract a nickel out of their process, so they can't extract the cobalt or they can't extract the lithium out of their process or we can help streamline like a DLE process, direct lithium extraction. We can help streamline their flow sheets by offering it. That's really powered by ReElement as a partnership-based model with existing other calling competitors, call them what you want. We view them as industry partners. But yes, I mean, Marion, the first production line we have in Marion will be multiples above the current production line in Noblesville, just because it makes sense to, there's demand for it. Feedstocks are flowing both on the ore side as well as the recycled products. And so Marion will be production being significantly larger in scale and scope. We've hired a phenomenal engineering firm, which we'll talk about here publicly very soon. That's helping us on our, call it, a [ L2/L3 ] study, but it's really designing the equipment line, designing the production and sourcing the big volume equipment that we're currently in the midst of doing in Jeff Peterson and Bill Smith on our team, who is just a phenomenal team member who are doing a great job at that.

I got it. I was thinking more just from the flexibility of the technology, how you'd be able to accommodate whatever kind of schedule you're doing at Marion to match demand and the feedstocks coming in. So, I think that answers my question to some degree. But also, my second question, a follow-on is you mentioned brines, lithium brines and it seems like a lot of lithium projects, they have their own proprietary science experiment, unique ore approaches to trying to make their projects economic. And I'm sensing that your technology could come in and displace a lot of that to simplify it, and this is probably a direct powered by ReElement thing where you're actually able to unlock the economic potential of these various lithium deposits and operations. Is that fair?

Without a doubt. And you're right on the Marion side as well. I mean, obviously, the ability to expand production, expand capacity, modularly scale and modularly growth to meet the demand, especially you're seeing a lot of talk on the rare earth element side. That's going to get really interesting really quickly. On the DLE side, we're working with the DLE company right now on the direct lithium extraction. A lot of these players can't get to battery grade. So they can get it to technical grade, they can get it to a 95% purity, 97% purity, but they can't get to that 99.9% purity. So we can help them do that. We're working with the group today. They send us a sample, they asked us, we can help them. And they said within their flow sheet, we are 1 step removes 4 steps of their process. And so we can help streamline not only their OpEx significantly to make it affordable, but we can also get them to the purity that they need to get to, and we significantly reduce their CapEx and space required to do what we do. I'll be honest, we haven't looked at a lot of brines until recently, but it's really, really interesting to see where our technology flows in within that process to help them be more efficient and help their projects move faster.

Well, that's why I caught my eye and the fact that you're now able to move beyond end-of-life products into ores just opens up the world to you. But it is exciting. And there's only been a short time since the last call, but I'm looking forward to the next couple of months because it seems like you're going to have quite a few releases coming out. So I'll shut up and get off the call.

Well, Mike, I appreciate you absolutely. We're from partnerships in Africa to developments here domestically to expansion and products that we're producing. There's going to be quite a bit of information flow and transparency that we continue to provide our investors and from a corporate level to an operational level. So we're super excited about that, and I appreciate you being.

Well, your first mention is Canada, too, by the way, long overdue, but a real good positive sign of penetration. So I will be quiet.

Yes, we love our Canadian partner. I just can't quite talk about it. Companies are sensitive about what you talked about, just because a lot of these companies are doing financing or are there big huge companies that are going through turmoil in the EV industry right now a little bit and just they're reshuffling and making their business efficient. So they're sometimes a little sensitive about talking about it in the public markets, but they're phenomenal partners. I mean, we get soon in a position where we can start, hopefully, mentioning more of their names.

Thank you. And our next question comes from Keith Goodman with Maxim Group.

I read a lot about different companies that are suggesting they could do refining processing, lithium, cobalt, whatever it may be, the different elements. How do we know that their technologies are not -- life cycle as an example, not to describe a potential competition, but they had some troubles? I mean, can they process and the light and you help pick up the pieces or explain to me why 2Q materials gets a lot of media coverage life cycle, which turned out to have some troubles. But how do you differentiate from all of these potential competition or other companies in the industry that claim to be able to process stuff to handle?

Keith, that's a great question. 95% of the recyclers in this industry don't recycle. They just spread stuff and produce a product that can be sold. They don't refine the battery or magnet grade. And so the easiest way we've seen it from a customer perspective, why we're going through all these validations, now it's because people can come into our facility and they can watch us produce product. And we're wrong. Like I said, we're relatively early within this sector. I mean, especially on the refining side, the government hasn't awarded really any capital to any refining projects, typically, it's always been on the preprocessing or shredding side and stuff of that nature. But thing is believing and we're starting to get quite -- I mean we've had an immense amount of traffic. We have a huge company coming in tomorrow to see our facility again. And when people see us producing product out of there and see what we can do in the footprint that we're in, it opens their eyes and all of a sudden, they recognize that. We had probably one of the more renowned rare earth guys in the space come by our facility about 2 months ago. And since then has introduced us to companies that are well north of $80 billion market caps that are looking for rare earth oxides. And he was skeptical until we saw it. And so he came in, he saw what we do, and he walked out and said, "I'm going to introduce every customer I know." And so that's I mean, the industry is going to see that though. I mean it's going to take a little bit of time to flesh out who can do what they say they can do and who's just talk to their book. And the good thing about it with us is most of these companies that have come by said, the other companies wouldn't let us see it or we showed up and there was just a greenfield. With you guys, we got to see what you're doing. And we take pride in that. We give complete transparency to our customer base. Let us not only watch us run but also watch their product being run.

Got you. And then obviously, a couple of questions have come in as far as the spin-off and being public. Obviously, you can't answer on that, but do you have an expectation of if you get approval to be public on the ReElement side, what does the path look like to that? What is the valuation? How do we determine what that valuation would be if and when it were to go public?

Yes. So I mean that's part of what we're also doing in this private financing, of which that we're putting together, which we announced previously, is to set that valuation of ReElement. I mean that's part of the complication is under the current market cap, values aren't being recognized. So we have to separate the companies. And by doing that, we can help and [indiscernible] got a win here. But we continue to streamline the business and set those valuations. So we're in the midst of working on that every element as well as American Carbon to set that initial valuation for the exchanges, but that is on approval goal is for them to be public, and that's where we believe investing in value.

Okay. And then lastly, as long as you mentioned American Carbon, obviously, you didn't do any revenue in margin in American Carbon this last quarter. It sounds like to me and correct me if I'm wrong, when you split up the entities when it finally does become a standalone, maybe at that point, we'll start to see production at American Carbon?

Yes. I mean outside of Wyoming, 100% of our capital is being either gone to reduce cost structure of American Carbon for when we do bring it online or to develop ReElement. ReElement, we believe were multiples above American Carbon and we're allocating our cash [indiscernible]. Now post separation, that enables the company to focus on the maximum value for those individual business and then we will absolutely focus on [indiscernible] carbon, super excited about where the mines are set up to do that. Obviously, Wyoming [indiscernible].

Okay. All right. And obviously, just because you're splitting off American Carbon from the other entities doesn't prevent you from continuing to try to monetize it in the form of a sale?

That's correct. Yes. I mean, American Carbon on the iron ore side, we're focused on [indiscernible]. We are always evaluating opportunities very core to us [indiscernible].

And our next question comes from Tim Tesch.

Mark, thanks to you and the team for getting so much done. Thank you for defining DLE for us. That was really good. Question for you on product. Just there's a spectrum from ore buying concentrate, can we say higher purity. We're looking at parts per million of 550 to 2,000, which indicates you have to really go through a lot of material. So the words I keep seeing in the press releases and so on is concentrate and preprocessing. So can you tell us how that happens, like we have mine waste, which seems to be in some liquid slurry type of situation versus all these things. I realize it's a spectrum, I guess, just some clarification on how you see it.

[indiscernible]. The lithium ores have about 6% concentrate. DLEs per million, and then they preprocess and concentrate for us to get it to the win, and we take it over from there. The Black Mass LFP Black Mass was about 3.5% lithium concentrate to it. NMC Black Mass, obviously, as lithium cobalt manganese and nickel as well and the nickel is 20%, Cobalt about 4.5% and lithium at about 3%. Each one of them have different concentrates and different percentages of concentrates. Mine waste is really, really hard. I mean if Ramaco is worth $1 billion in rare earth and parts per million at $500 million, that's phenomenal. I mean that's great. I love that value. And I hope everybody gets that recognized value because we had higher cost per million than they do. But it's hard to make money in coal waste when you're dealing in parts per million, unless you can do byproduct economics and reduce your traction cost even, so we're not extracting it. We're stopping the carbon ore if already extracting material and then concentrating that using our other technologies alongside Texas and Ohio University. But you have to look at the entire spectrum to see how do you design a process to actually make money on that. I mean, led by Jeff Peterson [indiscernible], phenomenal guys that have been able to test all these products and then define the profitability of each one of these feedstocks for commercial enterprises for ourselves.

Thank you. And our next question comes from Michael Larry with TGI. Please state your question.

Mark, thanks so much for filling us in on a bunch of moving parts that are going on. I know you guys must be doing a lot of work over there. I jumped off the web exit onto the conference call, so I could ask the question. So you may have already answered this, but I'm going to ask it anyway. Can you unpack the recent headlines about American Resources ReElement Technology being approved and accepted by the member of the best industrial-based consortium and what that represents to the ReElement Technologies as a whole?

Yes. So we applied for it. We got accepted as part of the defense industrial base. We believe our technology solves major problems for national security. You can work with the DOE or you can work with the DoD. We very much like working with the DoD. I have 2 brothers that are in the military. The military desperately needs the products that we can produce. What that enables us to do is have access to contracts and bid on contracts for supplying these critical materials to that supply chain. So, it's a good partnership that puts us in with other customers. We're testing products for defense contractors as we speak from that are -- any from high-heat applications for plutonium or neobium and some of these other products that we've been testing for. And that puts us not only in conversations with the defense space, the national security, the DoD, but also the contractors and puts us in the visibility of showcasing what we really do and what we can do for them. And so it's good to be in the same room as them to be able to offer those solutions to them for what they need.

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll hand the floor back to management for closing remarks.

Well, thank you guys all for your great questions. Thank you guys for taking your time out of your day here on a Tuesday to listen to what we're doing. Please stay in touch, follow what we're doing on a daily basis. We, as a team, pride ourselves on being transparent and trying to maximize the transparency that we can offer our shareholders, but also create that value to unlock it for all the shareholders, including management, which are fully aligned with our shareholder base from an equity ownership position. We're super excited about where we're at. We're excited about the individual assets that we own. We believe they need to be on a separated basis. We're putting our effort for us to accomplish that and to do it in a way that is creating liquidity for our investors as well. So we thank you all for your interest, thank you for joining and excited about the future.

Thank you. And this concludes today's conference. All parties may disconnect. Have a good day.