Arihant Superstructures Limited (506194) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
February 6, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Q3 FY '23 Earnings Conference Call of Arihant Superstructures Limited, hosted by Dolat Capital. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Kapil Yadav from Dolat Capital. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Kapil Yadav
analystThank you, Michelle. Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of Dolat Capital, I would like to thank the management of Arihant Superstructures Limited for giving us the opportunity to host the Q3 FY '23 earnings call. From the management team, we have Mr. Ashok Chhajerji, Chairman and Managing Director; Mr. Parth Chhajer, Promoter and Whole-Time Director; and Mr. Abhishek Shukla, Chief Strategy Officer. I would like to hand over the call to the management for their opening remarks. Over to you, sir.
Abhishek Shukla
executiveThank you, Mr. Kapil. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for taking the time out to join Arihant Superstructures Limited conference call to discuss Q3 and 9 months to FY 2023 results. Firstly, I will go through key business parameters for Q3 FY 2023, followed by the financial highlights of the quarter before handing over to Mr. Parth Chhajer. To start with, the company has achieved sale booking of 505 units in the third quarter, which aggregates to INR 224.3 crores in value terms. This is a growth of around 21% to 22% Y-o-Y. With this, the sales for the 9-month period is 1,159 units and INR 548 crores in booking value. The total area sold for this period is close to 9.5 lakhs square feet, and the total collection for the quarter and 9-month period stood at INR 89.8 crores and INR 318 crores, respectively. During the quarter, the construction was commenced for our latest affordable housing project Arihant Aaradhya, which is located near Kalyan. The project was launched in December '22, and we have already sold 35% of the launched inventory, that is about 440 units. We are gearing up for new launches in the next 2 quarters which we will brief you over the course of the call. We are also venturing in project development, paced with addition of 25 acres of Mumbai-Pune Highway near Hiranandani Fortune City, Panvel. We'll again throw more light in the call later. With this, the company has added approximately 2.4 million square feet with a gross development value of INR 1,100 crores plus to the project portfolio in this financial year. Now coming to the financial highlights. The total revenue for the quarter stood at INR 115.21 crores as against INR 88.6 crores in Q3 FY 2022, registering a year-on-year growth of 30.1%. At EBITDA level, the figure stands at INR 29.93 crores as against INR 18.47 crores in Q3 FY 2022. That is the year-on-year growth of 62%. The company has also registered a strong growth in consolidated profit after tax of 72.3% to INR 19.95 crores in Q3 FY 2023 as compared to INR 11.58 crores in Q3 FY '22. The 9 months [ FY '22 ] is showing a good picture. The revenue, EBITDA and profit after tax have grown by 24.7%, 28% (sic) [ 28.1% ]and 34.7%, respectively. The revenue for this period is INR 325.7 crores, EBITDA is INR 69.2 crores and PAT is INR 42.4 crores, which are very close to the full year figures for FY '22. This quarter also marks a break out in terms of our PAT figures, which has in trailing 12 months has crossed INR 50 crores. To be precise, it is about INR 52 crores. The EBITDA margins have also improved by 57 basis points to 21.25% and PAT margins by 97 basis points to 13.03%. With this, now I will hand over the call to Mr. Parth Chhajer, Additional Whole-Time Director, Arihant Superstructures. Thank you.
Parth Chhajer
executiveGood afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the conference call for Q3 FY '23 Earnings and Business Update. Thank you, everyone, for joining. We are happy to see business grow despite the inflation and higher mortgage rates. The Union Budget 2023 has provided the realistic sector with crucial support and incentives. The government has announced several measures to stimulate investment and economic growth with an increase in capital expenditure on infrastructure investment to INR 10 lakh crores, which shall boost the economy and create new job opportunities. Growth in real estate is expected in line with the increase in outlay of PMAY and CLSS schemes to INR 79,000 crores until 2027. In Q3 FY '23, our company's construction activities have picked up quite well in the quarter, and we have seen tremendous progress in the execution across all our sites in Mumbai, MMR and Jodhpur, Rajasthan. We have received OC for the new tower at Arihant Adita. Other sites in MMR region are also closing towards delivery and OC applications. We also launched our Kalyan project in this Q3, Arihant Aaradhya, and we have seen a good response from the homebuyers. The product has created a slight disruption in the Kalyan micro market and offers quality living to our homebuyers at an affordable price when compared to premium pricing in the vicinity. Construction activity is in full swing for 4 towers. We have also received approvals for Arihant Aayan at Titwala and revised approvals for Arihant Arshiya at Khopoli in Q3, which shall be open for sale in the upcoming quarter. After heartening response of the Della Tower last year, we are also gearing up for the new launch at Arihant Aspire in Panvel. On the business development front, we have acquired 25 acres of land at Chowk, which is off the old Mumbai-Pune Highway. This is a total outright purchase of land wherein we would be venturing into horizontal development. We shall be coming up with plotted development being offered to the plot buyers. The project development potential shall be around 6.6 lakhs square feet area spread across 275 plots. Going forward, we also have a good robust pipeline in the coming quarter as well as financial year 2024, which is explained out in the presentation uploaded on the exchanges as well. With this, I would like to now throw the floor open for questions. The management is there to take the questions. So over to the questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Balasubramanian from Arihant Capital.
Balasubramanian A
analystCongratulations for good set of numbers. My first question is regarding the Aayan project. Earlier, it was planned Q3 FY '23, now it's moved into Q4, and one more project Shilphata project is planned in Q1 FY '24. I think now it's moved into Q3. Could you please mention some specific reasons for the delay in the projects?
Parth Chhajer
executiveA, it has taken -- not only these, 3 to 4 projects have taken up delay in approval of times. And with the Shilphata project, we are still adding on small portion of more land. Hence, the design would be completed along with that. There have been the planned approvals for at least 2 to 3 phases, which were in Q1, Q2 later in this year, could not happen up and the delay -- due to delay, this would be having -- this would be seeing daylight in this quarter and the coming quarters. So we will be able to see up more launches continuously from this as well as in the next quarters.
Balasubramanian A
analystOkay, sir. My next question in terms of interest costs are increased a little bit, INR 5 crores to INR 8 crores. Like what would be the debt levels? And what is the finance cost? And what kind of maximum peak debt levels we may expect by this year?
Parth Chhajer
executiveOur construction finance happens to be at 12% per annum, which is from ICICI and HDFC Limited. And because new acquisitions have been done and hence, the borrowings have been taken up for purchase and acquisition of the new land, and due to this reason, the finance cost still has already gone up a bit, but the business opportunities are more far yielding which can easily satisfy. And still when you talk about debt-to-equity ratios and our control -- debt versus our project receivables, we are fairly on a very good comfortable side. As till now also, we have only 3 projects, which are mortgaged out of 14, which are under construction. This is how we balance it out that the company is at a very low risk when it comes to debt.
Balasubramanian A
analystOkay, sir. Sir, on the realization side, we have seen improvement in FY '22, the realization around the INR 5,536 per square feet, but in 9 months FY '23, INR 5,768 per square feet, so almost more than 4% increase. You have taken any price hikes during the quarter?
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes. We have taken up the price hikes, and in spite of taking price hikes, we are seeing sales happening, and this has secured the company's businesses and will not erode the profits, which have to be with the result to be taken care due to the rise in construction costs from the last 1 year.
Balasubramanian A
analystOkay, sir. And sir, we got 25 acres land in outright purchase in Mumbai-Pune Highway. So what would be the land cost?
Parth Chhajer
executiveIt is INR 38 crores. INR 38 crores plus stamp duty and registration around INR 40 crores -- INR 41 crores.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Ketan Kotecha from Ketan Kotecha & Company.
Ketan Kotecha
analystFirst of all, congratulations for the fantastic quarter 3 results. Since company has seen impressive growth and scale-up in the last 2 years, my question is, can we expect the same growth momentum on the business scale-up in the coming year?
Parth Chhajer
executiveKetan, as we have been always told -- we tell that we are into percentage completion method and the income tax and companies that both match each other, and percentage completion method ensures that the profits are booked in time. And when we see that the sales are growing, automatically on percentage completion method, the revenue recognition as well as the EBITDAs and PAT numbers will always have in CAGR. And it is not like this is one-off and windfall type of quarter, we are aware that, yes, whenever there would be rise in sales, we'll see up the same type of performance after each sale around -- in the next quarters. So be tuned to it, we would be able to do up similar kind of performance as we have done in the last 10 quarters when we talk about after COVID. When we see the all 10 quarters, the company has been able to do a better number than the previous quarter.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] We have the next question from the line of [ Ghanpal Pangal ], an Individual Investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeAm I audible?
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes, sir.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeFirst of all, congratulations on great set of numbers. Last year performance, we have covered in 3 quarters. So my question is on the PAT margins. So these are sustainable margin, 13%, or there is any chances of decreasing in the coming time, rate of interest rising scenario?
Parth Chhajer
executiveBasically, the new -- any project which is envisaged and which are taken on newly or worked out within at margins of around 20-plus percent and when we had clean-up and bad cycle of 5 years, which has passed through in the past -- in the last 1 decade and the majority of the lands are already procured in 2010, '11, '12, and it has been carried out in construction office right manner. In spite of a longer tenure, the projects are profitable. And undoubtedly, when we talk about 1 or 2 projects which are off and which are off 2012 -- '10, '11, '12 purchases, the PAT margins are less, but blended out at the new projects and the new and the old projects, we would be able to see a similar kind of PAT margin in the coming quarters also.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeThat's fair enough. And sir, one more question. Is there any fundraising plan or our internal accruals are enough to project the ongoing sites?
Parth Chhajer
executiveFor new acquisitions, funds will be raised. For the current projects which are ongoing, as we have always mentioned in our earlier conference calls also, that we don't -- the company does not require any working capital. It is good enough to raise -- to have collections and run the projects which are existing without having additional facilities in large. For the new acquisition, yes, the funds will be required and this is the right time to acquire businesses. As we have seen in Mumbai Metropolitan region and Navi Mumbai, in particular, seeing a big growth, a large growth which has been witnessed by and which have been accoladed by the Honorable Prime Minister also during his visit to Mumbai this last January also -- this January. And this is the time to get the best of the businesses acquired, so that the company will have profitable transactions in the next 5 years from now. So we will be acquiring and will be for that, plus we invite our investors to participate in the issuance of equity. And in that case, if it is required, a little bit of debt also would be pocketed.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] We have a follow-up question from the line of Balasubramanian from Arihant Capital.
Balasubramanian A
analystSir, on the balance sheet, receivables, trade receivables have been increased around INR 60 crores to INR 84 crores from FY '22 to 9 months FY '23. Throw more light under the [indiscernible]
Parth Chhajer
executiveAs and when the sales will increase, always the trade receivables will be spiraling up to the earlier ones. Yes, still the collections are into good flow. And when we see about how home loans being disbursed, it generally takes around 90 days to 100 days per home loan disbursement from the day of client booking. Hence, trade receivables would be always in growth and we would see an increase, and this would mean that in spite of good collections if the trade receivables are increasing, that shows that the sales and the client -- the sales numbers are also increasing.
Balasubramanian A
analystOkay, sir. Sir, on the project delivery side, I think we have done 471 units in 9 months FY '23. We may assume in Q4, we can able to deliver 232 to 250 units? Hello, sir? Am I audible?
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes, you're audible.
Balasubramanian A
analystYes, sir. Sir, on the project delivery unit side, we have achieved 471 units in 9 months FY '23. Is that possible to achieve another 200 to 250 units in Q4?
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes. So we are lined up for the new deliveries wherein we've already applied for OC for some projects in Taloja. So we should be able to get another 350 units to 400 units under this category in this financial year, hopefully.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Abhishek Getam from Alpha Invesco.
Abhishek Getam
analystAm I audible?
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes, you are audible.
Abhishek Getam
analystSir, I wanted to ask, on the presentation you have released, you've noted that we've acquired 25 acres, and we also have an approval of 51 acres land to be acquired in Raigad. So is this different from the one which we have already acquired?
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes, it is in addition to the 25 acres and adjoining to the 25 acres. So on the completion of acquisition and transaction being completed, this will total up to 76 acres.
Abhishek Getam
analyst76. Okay. This will have a revenue potential of 6.6 lakhs square feet -- the 76 acres or the 25 acres?
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes, we will be going into plotted development, which is the [indiscernible] thing today across India. And we are seeing up this change due to the better infrastructure facilities where horizontal development is possible. And the travel time is reduced due to the MTHL link, the JNPT corridors, et cetera, which are already done up in Navi Mumbai. And so the larger projects generally sees up and start to completion cycle of 7 to 10 years. In a plotted development, it would see in cycle of 2 years to 3 years. So the turnout would be more faster.
Abhishek Getam
analystJust wanted to understand, so the 76 acres which we'll be acquiring in Raigad. So this in all will have a potential of 6.6 lakh square feet?
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes, approximately, it would be same -- it can be any large.
Abhishek Shukla
executiveSorry to interrupt, the 6.6 lakh square feet is for the 25 acres.
Abhishek Getam
analystUnderstood. So 76 acres will have how much? So basically okay, 3x.
Abhishek Shukla
executiveWe'll have to get back to you.
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes, it will be approximately 3x. For your information, it would be sold not on square feet but on plots. And we see around 275 bungalow plots in first 25 acres. And similarly, another 500 plus in the next 50 acres. So the plotted development would result out to something around 700 bungalow of plots. Here FSI is not important. Here plotting is important because FSI will be constructed by the developed -- by the plot buyer himself.
Abhishek Getam
analystOkay. And sir, in this area -- so this is mostly -- what will be the buyer segment -- buyer type for this? Will this be a second home for the buyer? Or I mean like a vacation or more sort of away from…
Parth Chhajer
executiveThe first target customers are for second home, which have seen up a big, big, big spurt in the last 1.5 years right after COVID also. And we have seen plotted development by Wadhwa right now taking up a huge success in the month of January, [indiscernible]. And on the same lines, we see that it is a less risk of job and, undoubtedly, the target would be second home. But when we see this region geographically, we find that we are just 5 kilometers away from Hiranandani, which is a high-rise development and where flats are -- where it is apartment living of 2 bedroom and 3 bedroom, and a person would be getting up more than 3x the total area of what he gets in apartment in the same cost. So the living style will [Technical Difficulty] in the nearest future, we will be seeing hospitals all around.
Operator
operatorSir, I'm sorry to interrupt. Your voice broke. Can you repeat your last line, sir, please?
Parth Chhajer
executiveHello? Hello?
Operator
operatorYes, sir, we can hear you now.
Parth Chhajer
executiveFor [Technical Difficulty] nearby industrial area as well as the Navi Mumbai area.
Abhishek Getam
analystUnderstood. Patalganga area, sir, right? Patalganga west -- hello, am I audible?
Parth Chhajer
executiveHello, somebody can take it over?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveYes. So this we have acquired is in our Chowk area, precisely which is close to Hiranandani Fortune City at Panvel, so it's not Patalganga.
Abhishek Getam
analystOkay, I understood. So we said that just to get the number there, 25 acres, we bought it for INR 41 crores, right? That transaction is done.
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveIncluding stamp duty and registration charges, yes.
Abhishek Getam
analystYes. And so we raised some debt from HDFC. And then we are now looking for one more capital raise of INR 150 crores. So that will be a mixture of debt or debt and equity only?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveThis [ level ] would be equity and acquired for the business acquisition, it would be a mix also.
Abhishek Getam
analystOkay. So INR 150 crores, you're looking for our equity ratio of [indiscernible].
Operator
operatorSir, your voice is breaking. Mr. Ashok Chhajer sir, your voice is breaking, sir.
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveYes, whatever comes first, whatever comes first.
Abhishek Getam
analystOkay. I was not able to -- I missed -- sorry, 1 minute, last 1 minute. Sorry, sir. Can you repeat that?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveHello?
Operator
operatorCan you please repeat what you said?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveWhatever comes first, we'll be looking at that. So it's not just specifically for equity or specifically only debt, whatever comes first, and it will mostly be a mix of both hopefully.
Parth Chhajer
executiveBusiness should be undertaken is more important. And the opportunity loss would be more than any other balance sheet numbers.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] We have the next question from the line of Vaibhav Kacholia from VK Capital.
Vaibhav Kacholia
analystCongratulations on the fantastic numbers, sir. My question was regarding the margin profile. So can you just explain, Ashokji, like out of INR 100 crores of sales, what is the operating margin and then interest and then tax?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveAbhishek, can you take it over? Abhishek, can you take it over?
Abhishek Shukla
executiveYes. Vaibhav, if you are referring to our 9 months figure, the total income for the 9-month period was about INR 325 crores, and EBITDA was INR 69.21 crores. So the margin -- EBITDA margin that we have locked for this period is about 21.25% and PAT is 42.44% and PAT margin, it is translating to 13.03%.
Vaibhav Kacholia
analystRight. So Ashokji mentioned that new projects, we are targeting 20% PAT margins. So what is the...
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveVaibhav, if you see for Arihant 4Anaika, the project which is nearing completion or we are applying for occupancy, if individually, if that project is seen, some of the new projects or small sizes, which -- not smaller, the new projects which can be seen, you find that the margins are in the tune of 24%, 25%, 30% also. So we can share with you how project-wise, margins have made a contribution. As I told that fewer of the projects where the price cost -- the cost of construction has already increased and where the lands are already with the company in the books since one decade and in spite of interest capitalization to the land, which has already been acquired, the projects are not into losses. Yes, the margins are less in that project today, but what we see coming forward, the time the airport lands, the projects like Arihant Aspire, which are of major sizes and which are not giving margins today to a big extent and small jump in 10% of grades would make up a big, big difference. And we are happy that we have a good stock in hand in that project also. We see that the airport, we would see a daylight in '25 around and the balance project life cycle is for another 5 to 7 years. So we will get the advantage of margins in the projects, which have been contributing today less. So it is a blended margin which we see today of 13%, which already have seen as an increase. And we see that the new projects which we envisage, -- every time whenever a project is taken, it has never taken with a margin of 10%. We see that the margin should be at least 20% plus. And going forward, after the business cycles are completed, we come to know how it has really functioned and how the project has been able to perform. So we see that, yes, the margins would see marginal increase on Y-o-Y basis till the old projects all gets faded out.
Vaibhav Kacholia
analystOkay. So sir, basically, like operating level, what margins do we target?
Abhishek Shukla
executiveIn the future, 20%.
Vaibhav Kacholia
analystHow much?
Abhishek Shukla
executive20%, we target as margins.
Vaibhav Kacholia
analystSo this is at net profit level or EBITDA level?
Abhishek Shukla
executiveThis is at net profit level.
Vaibhav Kacholia
analystSo EBITDA will be closer to 30%? And how much will the interest be?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveEBITDA would be 30%.
Vaibhav Kacholia
analystAnd how much will the interest be typically, what is the planning from our side?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveAround it takes, in terms of percentages, 10% of the total revenues is the interest cost. And when it comes to per square feet businesses and filing, so it is something -- 5% goes towards interest, 5% towards tax of the sale price, 5% towards marketing, 5% towards administration. The 20% of the sales price goes towards these 4 heads and around 60% goes towards land cost. So project to project, it differs with its cycle. On an average, we would be -- on an average, we aspire for margin of around 20%. And when we compare with the peer comparers with the peer developers in and around, we are placed at better off.
Vaibhav Kacholia
analystOkay, fantastic. And sir, this plotted development, what kind of revenues can we expect per plot or something on an average?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveWe have not opened up the prices, but it would be sub-INR 1 crore, and it is at a very, very, very hot location. It's one of the most premium and that is what plotted development yet has not seen premium locations. It has been always very far off where people have been tired, A, was that where the projects have been there. Two, peer brand developers have never come into plotted development earlier than 12 months from now. And now when we see that the bigger brands are also coming into it, it would see a new form of real estate in Mumbai and...
Vaibhav Kacholia
analystNo. So like, what we had paid INR 41 crores for the land. So we are hoping to sell each plot for 50 lakhs to INR 1 crores. So what would be the revenue from the entire thing?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveWe would be seeing up an average of INR 75 lakhs as a plot sale price.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Tirath from Elusividya Advisory.
Tirath Muchhala
analystIf you could tell me the new projects Avanti and Aayan, under what company are they being launched?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveIt is in the holding company, Arihant Superstructures Limited.
Tirath Muchhala
analystSo we'll own 100% of it, correct?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveYes. Even the plotted development would be under holding company. So majority of the projects are now being taken up in the holding company only. The subsidiaries as and when would see up free cash flows, at that time, it would be a thought given that should the new project be acquired in subsidiary or not. But till now, further going forward for the next 2 years, it looks like all the projects would come in the holding company with 100% stake.
Tirath Muchhala
analystOkay. That's a great decision, sir. The other question was for Aspire and Aakarshan. How are [indiscernible]
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveCome again, please?
Operator
operatorSir, your voice broke. Mr. Tirath, I would request you to use your handset, sir, please.
Tirath Muchhala
analyst[indiscernible]
Operator
operatorSir, your voice is breaking. We are not able to understand.
Tirath Muchhala
analystJust 1 second. Yes, is it better now?
Operator
operatorYes, sir, much better. Please continue.
Tirath Muchhala
analystSir, Aspire and Aakarshan, I was wondering how are the pricing trends on a square foot carpet basis?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveArihant Aspire is at an on carpet basis, RERA carpet area INR 10,000 to INR 11,000 per square feet and Arihant Aakarshan at RERA carpet area of INR 7,000 to INR 8,000 carpet area.
Tirath Muchhala
analystAnd what kind of number are we looking for Avanti?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveAvanti would be around INR 8,000 to INR 9,000 carpet area of sale price. And total number of contribution to the project should be around 1 million 10 lakh square feet, which would mean around 1,200 houses.
Tirath Muchhala
analystOkay. And how would you say the last 2 years price increase has been in these 3 projects -- not these 3, but the first 2 actually, Aspire and Aakarshan?
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveOn an average, we have seen up price rise of around 7% to 8% to 10% on project-to-project basis across all the projects.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of [ Girish Gulati ], an Individual Investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeMy question is to Mr. Parth. Am I audible?
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSo, Parth, just would like to know, where we have $1 billion worth of sales on coming, and what kind of a company would you like to build over the period of next 5 years, would be like in the midterm since the next generation has taken over or joined then. So I just would like to know your vision on the way forward for the company.
Parth Chhajer
executiveYes. So as a company today, we are at around 400 employees. And with the ongoing project that we have is almost like you said, almost $1 billion, INR 7,000 crores, INR 8,000 crores of sales to be done. We'd like to build a company which is built to last company, which will be done with the mix of professional as well as promoters' involvement, but a lot of delegation is already given, especially on the sales front, all the engineering front, today also to the professionals that they are able to take up the calls themselves, even the Level 4, Level 3, Level 2 employees have been doing that. And the idea is that we build an organization which will be sustainable, not just for 5 years but even beyond. And we would like to also increase the size of the company from the existing portfolio that we have of around 1.4 crores, 1.5 crores square feet to 2.5 crores square feet over the next half a decade from here. And I feel the positioning of the [indiscernible]. Just surrounding the environment is supportive for this company to pick up the growth chart to the next level. And the external factors are also supporting us, especially when we talk of the MMR region. So I think we are one of the few listed companies who are very much focused on the MMR belt only. And we feel the opportunity lies at a great, great extent in this area, and this will be the location we've been looking at for the next decade.
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveGirishji, what we see is that given all these things in place, we would be able to do a 4x in terms of everything, maybe the size, the people, revenues, everything, given all the capital in place and opportunities in hand, which are coming up in 5 years, we can take it up to a multiplier of 4x.
Unknown Attendee
attendeePerfect. Perfect. And so Parth, since you were talking about positioning in MMR. So in Mumbai region, there is Hiranandani, which today is just built on that trust factor for the customer or whether it is a financer or whether somebody an investor who wants to back it up, but trust level, what they have built is unparallel. Since we are very large in MMR region, can we run campaigns according to the trust, not for the stock market but for the buyers or it has to go with the buyer first. And then we will have that backing off all the institutions, that in the next half a decade since you mentioned that trust level is so high that whatever project or even we are thinking out of the box, we have backing off all the institutions along with us. So maybe the campaigns are not along those lines. This is not a question, just a suggestion.
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveNo, we welcome to your suggestion, and we'll try to implement it at the best level as possible. We thank you for the suggestion as well. And our idea is also to be a leader in the market wherever we are operating. And to have a very, very respected brand image across the industry, across the vendors section, across the peer developers and, obviously, across all the consumers, the potential consumers and the existing consumers. So our vision is to be a company which can provide all the solutions from -- for a homebuyer. Right, today's portfolio also is ranging from around INR 18 lakhs, INR 19 lakhs, 20 lakhs going up to around INR 3 crores. And now we've also ventured out to the plotted development. So if the company has the platter with the market which the consumer is looking for, I think then the growth is not stoppable.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And that was the last question for today. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Ashok Chhajer, Chairman and Managing Director, for closing comments. Over to you, sir.
Ashokkumar Chhajer
executiveThank you, everybody. Thank you, all investors and everybody to participate in the conference call. It was a great insight and stay tuned with us. As we tell always that real estate is not on a quarter-to-quarter basis, it has to be seen on in bandwidth of at least a year basis. Given the average of the last 2 years, we will be doing up better than what we have done. Thank you, everybody.
Kapil Yadav
analystThank you, sir. Thank you all the participants.
Operator
operatorThank you. On behalf of Dolat Capital, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.
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