Armac Locação, Logística e Serviços S.A. (ARML3) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 12, 2026

BOVESPA BR Industrials Trading Companies and Distributors earnings 68 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to AMA's conference call to discuss results regarding the second quarter 2026. This video conference is being recorded, and the replay can be accessed on the company's website, ri.armak.com.br. The presentation is also available for download on the platform. We would like to inform you that the presentation is being recorded and translated simultaneously. [Operator Instructions] Before proceeding, we would like to clarify that any forward-looking statements are based on the beliefs and assumptions of Armac's management and current information available to the company. These statements may involve risks and uncertainties as they relate to future events and therefore, depend on circumstances that may or may not occur. Investors, analysts and journalists must understand that events related to the macroeconomic environment, industry and other factors could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in the respective forward-looking statements. Joining us today are Mr. Fernando Aragao, CEO of Armac; and Mr. Marcos Pinheiro, CFO and Investor Relations Officer. Now I would like to give the floor to you, Mr. Fernando Aragao. Please, Mr. Fernando Aragao, you may proceed.

Fernando Aragao

executive
#2

Good morning, everyone. Thank you very much for attending our conference call. I'm going to give an introduction using 2 slides before turning over to Marcos. Armac is a history of growth, in particular, when my brother Jose and I joined my father to become entrepreneurs in 2012. As you can see on the graph, we are lucky enough to be exposed to sectors and demands, which are very important to Brazil. Infrastructure, which is very poor in Brazil. We are present in most states in the country. And on a daily basis, we face the bottlenecks of structure in Brazil. And this is a segment we are exposed to in Brazil. And regardless of the government in power for the population to have opportunities, dignity and improve their lives. There's a lot of structure still to be built. We don't know how this is going to happen, but Armac is an enabler of this construction. Originally, when we started operating in the sector, we identified that for the equipment to be acquired for this structure, it would become ever more expensive than if a major rental company would be there and would share the equipment among different construction works. This is part of the accelerated growth that we have experienced, which is also likely to persist along the years. Another side is related to the movement that we had in 2015 when we went after recurring revenue from clients that use bulk products. Brazil is one of the largest producers of mineral and agricultural bulk products in the world. And they demand a yellow line equipment in order to operate. Today, we are very proud to be present in all ports which are relevant to Brazil in the north and also to the Rio Grande port, and we are working with fertilizers, soybeans. And we are strongly present in biomass, both in industry that burn wood and in the fields of sugar and alcohol and also in the mining sector, not in the mining activity specifically, but related to movement of products that use average size equipment. In addition to the need for infrastructure, we are exposed to exporters with a recurring and resilient demand. And we also enabler of all those activities offering competitive prices and specific products and services. This is the context that when made us look for capital in the market in 2019. We have the private equity fund. And in 2021, we had IPO in order to master the sector. Our activity is an intensive capital activity, which is not regulated and the equipment is the same for all competitors. So the main entry barrier, we always believe that is related to scale. Predominant scale will lead to differentiated returns in the long term. And this is the reason why as of 2019, 2020, we started a very accelerated expansion cycle in order to occupy the empty spaces in the yellow lines and forklift and become a dominant player with a scale which is multiple times bigger than the second player. We believe that this scale created a platform that will generate value to the shareholder in the long term. The fruits will start to be gathered because the competitive advantages in relation to the competitors is very significant. This graph shows the growth history. We started in 2021, the revenues from asset sales that use a strategy or the need for the assets, we were able to develop this channel in a very strong way. The point is that the growth of the company was very accelerated for an intensive capital company. This growth because the growth was so accelerated and somehow sudden, during the process, the company was so subsegmented. What do I mean by that? -- had a strategy that we adopted. We went after a sector with recurring revenue so that we could be protected by the volatility that we see in Brazil. Therefore, in order to go to those recurring revenue streams, we expose ourselves to different economic sectors with different needs from the clients. Many services were customized in order for us to operate in different segments. And I believe that this was the right strategy because all the entrants of the sector that did not follow this path faced a lot of difficulties. So we had a unique operation in infrastructure. But when we segmented the company, we managed distinct aspect without the correct visibility of the return that each business vertical was bringing. And everybody knows the cost of all this, our margin deteriorated and also the returns deteriorated. And the correction of the strategy of management started in 2024 when we implemented a new RP, and we had a new budget for the company, bottom up, looking at every agreement, every contract. We studied every vertical, and we conducted a deep planning study in order to know what we would have to do to win in each segment. And in 2024, we brought new leadership to those verticals that would be appropriate to each challenge. The point is that the company is currently segmented in 4 verticals, all of them with high growth potential and that they have -- they share synergies from the scale of our Mac, all the 4 verticals. Could we move on to the next slide, please? So all the 4 verticals are favored. They purchase machines from the same equipment suppliers, manufacturers, and these are suppliers with whom we have a very long relationship. and we are their best purchaser, not only in Brazil, but also in Latin America, America for most of them for recurring services, rental for fift and Tam, they all use equipment from the same manufacturers, parts that came from the same OEM component manufacturers, technicians who have the same training. They also use the same system that are not developed along the years in order to perform maintenance services. So there are many synergies involved. And this platform with 4 verticals have very distinct economics. And today, they have independent leaderships with autonomy in order to run their different and distinct strategies. In relation to the verticals, the largest is the recurring services vertical. I analyze the results of each of them in the second quarter in order to provide the visibility of the challenges and the magnitude of each one. Recurring services has a gross revenue of more than BRL 1 billion with a backlog of contracts of about BRL 2 billion now. So this is a vertical where several reorganization movements took place, more than 600 agreements, more than 600 P&Ls managed with autonomy by managers. They may be managers or coordinators, and they are responsible for the financial results, and they have enough autonomy to do whatever it takes to keep the client happy and provide healthy operation for the shareholder of AMA. The 600 managers along 2 years turn around the result of many of the agreements and most of them have an NPS that has been growing a lot. The EBITDA margin of recurring service reached 57% this quarter. And this makes us very happy, very proud, showing that we are on the right track for a long-term journey for the company, 2 years would be little. But I still believe we still have a lot to improve as other initiatives will generate results. This recurring service has a return on invested capital of 17% in the second quarter, so it's a very attractive return, especially when we consider the size of potential growth of this unit and how much the result can improve along the time and initiatives such as better management of the fleet. We didn't have a structure of asset sales, but now we do. And by far, it's the best in the sector, and it can manage and sell the right asset at the right time. The second vertical, which is rental is the one which is closer to our American peers that -- such as United Rental and Ash Group and that rent equipment for short terms for infrastructure activity and also construction works. It employs lower than million on an annualized basis, considering the asset sales and the EBITDA margin was 56% in the second quarter. And as we see it, it's much lower than the potential that it has, considering that these are activities with dedicated labor. The EBITDA margin tends to grow a lot as we apply initiatives which are similar that we applied in recurring services. The ROIC is very low still. But we believe this is going to be something temporary. And why is that? The company spent many years segmented using a consolidated number without having accuracy of what each unit of return would come from. And now we have this accuracy in all workshops of the company, all the branches, all the cars, all the the personnel, they are allocated in the units where they are used. So from now on, we will be able to make a very assertive management of the resources that the company uses, and we will do the pricing as accurate as possible. And there is a special leader in the company to do that together with me. So we have confidence that the results are going to improve. And we also understand that this is going to be used in Brazil by far is the largest addressable market in Brazil. As to forklifts, it's a vertical that has been growing a lot. The gross revenue is BRL 270 million per year approximately with an EBITDA margin, which is quite relevant of 55% and a very, very favorable return. And the thesis is a growth thesis by consolidation. We have an internal formula that has been developed. We had 3 M&As in this vertical. All of them successfully integrated without any -- practically no losses of clients in the process, and we also maintain the personnel of the team. So we have a formula that we hope to apply in more than dozens of initiatives along the years. We will consolidate the forklift segment. We believe we already have enough scale to allow us differentiated returns and management that would add value. Tegan is managed by one of the owner, and we use the synergies that Tegan has with our Max system, and we would place our bets there. First, we are looking at the tax reform that will bring lots of benefits to the Northeast and Brazil, where Tegan has enough intelligence in order to find what's the best earthworks activity. And this is going to be done in the short term. And so the tax reform will be very favorable to Tan and also e-commerce when there is a competition for large logistic warehouse that would sustain the growth for a long time. Another favorable wind are the data centers. And this is a company that we believe will grow a lot in the future. In the consolidated terms, Armac has been improving its results. It has a growth potential, which is quite extensive, and we are going to explore in the next months in a very responsible manner without accelerated the growth rate that we saw in the past because the dominance has already been built. So the shareholders from the future, they can expect a company that is managed with a lot of professionalism with a lot of accountability, P&L managers, right strategy for each vertical and each business unit and a growth that is consistent, high for Brazilian standards, but long-lasting. So after this introduction, I will turn the floor to Marcos Pinheiro for him to discuss the financial results of the quarter.

Marcos Pinheiro

executive
#3

Thank you, Fernando. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for attending our 2026 second quarter earnings conference call. Q2 2026 was a quarter of consistent and sustainable growth for AMA. We delivered revenue growth, margin growth and disciplined capital allocation. As to the highlights of 2026, we'll start with the key figures for the quarter. Gross revenue reached BRL 586.2 million, a growth of 19.3% when compared to the second quarter of 2025. Gross rental revenue reached BRL 441 million, a 7.7% increase year-over-year. Revenue from asset sales was BRL 145.2 million, almost double that of Q2 2025, but still far from its potential given the ramp-up of stores and the extensive and fragmented market. EBITDA from leasing and services was BRL 270 million, a significant growth of 37.1% compared to the same period of the previous year. Over the past 12 months, adjusted EBITDA exceeded BRL 880 million. At the same time, we kept leverage under control. Our extended net debt-to-EBITDA ratio, which considers the risk of defaults and prepayments stood at 2.6x, a leverage ratio significantly lower than in Q2 2025. When compared to last year, as I said, the second message is clear. We grew, we expanded profitability, and we maintained financial discipline. Moving on to Slide CapEx. In the quarter, organic CapEx was approximately BRL 459 million and year-to-date, BRL 694 million. The most notable point here as explored in more detail in our release is that this CapEx, only BRL 260 million had a cash effect. This characteristic is the result of agreements signed with our main machine suppliers in which due to our scale and strategic importance, we have gained the benefit of operating with flexible payment terms aligned with the performance of our operations. Furthermore, machine acquisitions gained more momentum in the quarter, precisely to take advantage of this competitive advantage. And in addition to managing the average age of the fleet and adjust our machine mix, especially in the vertical of rental. This acceleration of investments leads to a temporary increase in our fleet since all the machines, which are no longer available for rental are being distributed to our stores to be sold over the next few months that will add to 31 altogether. Moving on to revenues. Moving to the slide of revenue results again demonstrate the strength of our business model in serving customers across our 4 verticals of business. Total gross revenue grew from BRL 489 million in the first quarter of 2026 to BRL 586 million in the second quarter of 2026. In rental and services, we maintain a diverse customer base. Revenue coming from recurring services continues to represent the largest share of our revenue, accounting for over 58% of the total. Revenues from rental vertical formerly spot represented 21% of the total, followed by 13% from the forklift vertical and 8% from [ San. ] Adjusted EBITDA for leasing and services increased from BRL 163 million in the first quarter of 2026 to BRL 217 million in the second quarter of '26. The margin reached 54.1%, an increase of more than 6 percentage points compared to the previous quarter. Adjusted consolidated ROIC was 17.3% in the second quarter of 2026, an increase of 2 percentage points compared to the second quarter of 2025. Our commitment is to grow with returns above the capital cost, protecting the balance sheet and creating value for our shareholders. Now on the next slide, we will discuss the operational and managerial cash flow. The operational and managerial cash flow exceeded BRL 369 million in just the 5 -- 6 months of the year. After servicing the interest on our capital structure, we generated BRL 105 million in cash over 6 months. We generated cash in both quarters of the year. In addition to demonstrating the health of operations, this number alone is already 82% higher than what was generated in the entire year of 2025. In the second quarter, we paid approximately BRL 29 million of dividends. We amortized BRL 59 million in discounted risk operations, zeroing out the balance of these operations, by the way. And also, we chose not to carry out the BRL 135 million in receivables financing. These last 2 moves had the beneficial effect of reducing the weight of financial expenses in our income statement and specifically led to an increase in net debt of BRL 207 million because strictly speaking, it is not debt, but its amortization signals our comfort in making such a decision anchored in value creation. Indebtedness, moving on to the final slide, we conclude the capital structure overview. The net debt to EBITDA covenant stood at 2.5x in the second quarter of 2026. We ended the quarter with BRL 935 million in cash with short-term amortization comfortably covered by our current liquidity position. We remain focused on managing our cost of capital, maintaining a sound debt profile and preserving financial flexibility. In conclusion, the second quarter of 2026 reinforces the consistency of our ecosystem. We still have a lot to do, but we are uniquely positioned in the market with enormous potential. Our commitment is to consistent growth over long and successive period. Thank you once again for your attention, and we'll open the Q&A session.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Andre Ferreira with Bradesco BBI.

Andre Ferreira

analyst
#5

Congratulations on the news. First, what caught my attention was the separation of profitability among segments, especially forklifts and -- my question is where the capital allocation should focus margin one, if the mix would change and as a consequence, the consolidated. And the second topic is still along the same table, we can see the allocation productivity stands at 28% spot. How much was this productivity? Thinking about the level that can reach -- how far this business can reach in the future?

Marcos Pinheiro

executive
#6

And -- thank you very much for the compliment on the new report. I'm going to answer your 2 questions. In relation to allocation. So we have more than 600 units with their own P&L and with industrialized -- individualized management. But our strategy is still centralized. We created internal governance mechanisms in order to evaluate the return of each real that is generated in the cash and the cash that's going to be used. And we also considered the investment in relation to the opportunity of repurchasing or buying back the shares of the company or return the capital to the shareholders in a different way. So there is a governance which is ever better. And management -- the decisions are made for all business verticals. All of them have profitable growth opportunities. And we believe that they are all going to grow. Some of them do not require a lot of capital, such as the case of Term. It's an asset-light growth, which is much more intensive in the experience and in the technical team than the machines themselves. They can also use old machines that will work effectively. Forklift is a capital allocation via M&A, especially, but they are sellers finance M&As and recurring services and rentals. So we have the method of purchasing equipment. M&A is also involved in all of them, such as Angel and D that are not included in the numbers of this quarter. But whether organic or inorganic, everything is to be tested and debated and the strategy are built after the learned lessons. I hope I answered your question. All of them have profitable growth opportunities. It's just a matter of choice, what the company would want and what it would not want in relation to the rental vertical, I'm going to take advantage of your question, and I'm going to say how we see it. It's a great opportunity that we see. Most of the users of equipment of the -- in Brazil, we're talking about millions because everything you do would require all those activities would require equipment. And the rental culture for this kind of service nowadays is very low in Brazil yet because there is the point of the echo the hand. First, the offer has to be created, distributed across the country with a seamless access as we do with lightweight vehicles. This is what we expect to do with machines. And this is something which is already underway. We have a team dedicated to that purpose. And as those initiatives gain momentum, we will get closer to the economics of rentals that we see as benchmark when compared to developed countries when the productivities are higher than 70%. So there's a long way to go yet. So there are many strategies at play. And along the time, we're going to be disclosing them to the market. It started with the distribution. The company used to be very concentrated in Sao Paulo. We used to have high-cost workshops in Sao Paulo, and we reduced the cost in order to distribute them in different prices in different places. So we could distribute the offer in different clients. So what we had -- what the United States did some decades ago, we're starting to do now. So we already have the road map. And with the conditions of purchase that we have in relation to those equipment, we don't understand why we have such a gap of rentals when compared to developed countries. And this is the path we are directing ourselves to. There was a structural block, which was the level of informality that we had in the country. Competition was even as for rentals because if you have service invoice and the mechanism of lower competitors is not to declare not to issue a formal invoice. But with the tax reform as of next year would end this. point. I think this is going to be a very favorable wind so that along the years, it's not something that will happen over 1 quarter, but rather long years ahead of us, and we are going to get close to the productive and to the margin that the rental short-term business have when compared to developed countries. I hope I answered your question.

Operator

operator
#7

Our next question comes from Gabriel Rezende with Itaú BBA.

Gabriel Rezende

analyst
#8

Let me make a follow-up on the comments you made during the presentation, especially in relation to efficiency and all the initiatives that the company has adopted in order to have higher returns and more profitability in the business from the practical perspective of EBITDA margin that moved up and reached nearly 54%. I would like to understand how the company sees the recurrence of this level, especially considering the seasonality effect along the years. I understand that there is a new level that the company is aiming at. But obviously, we can imagine a fluctuation as a result of the seasonality in the next month. I would like to know how you see this dynamic down the road.

Marcos Pinheiro

executive
#9

Gabriel thank you very much for the question. For some time -- I'm sorry, we had a technical problem. Let's try once again. We have a number of initiatives adopt along the way, and they are clear. If you look at the explanatory notes, if I'm not mistaken, I'm referring to Note 26. It's clear the size of the reengineering activity, which is very focused on the accountability and focused on the management method that would make this level of fixed cost very sustainable at the company. And also with high efficiency as a result of the scale captured in variable costs. This is to say that the seasonality would contribute to some volatility in the results, we focus on the rental vertical and the vertical of recurring service and forklifts are work like a clock almost. I imagine that there are some room for this margin to move upwards, but we are not to expect any surprises. I hope I answered your question.

Operator

operator
#10

Our next question comes from Lucas Melotti with Safra.

Lucas Melotti

analyst
#11

I have 2 on my side. First, I would like to talk about the rental growth dynamics. The revenue grew 8%, and you said integration of BRL 3 million for business integration. Considering that there was a growth of the previous quarter, what -- how much was the organic and inorganic growth? And you mentioned some expectations for 2026. So that would lead to a growth of 9%. So could you break down of what would be organic, what would be inorganic? My second question is about accounts receivable. We are in a very relevant moment during the quarter, both when we talk about nominal terms and also in terms of number of days? And what was the dynamic behind this? Was it deadline? Or was it something related to the company's integration? And is this the level we should expect for the future? Or should we expect some level of normalization on my side? These are the questions.

Marcos Pinheiro

executive
#12

Perfect, Lucas, thank you for the question. I'm going to start answering your question. So here we go. Growth dynamics. In this quarter, in fact, we had a share related to the integration of the M&As with 35% of the growth in most part coming from the organic capacity. from the higher number of agreements and also in the improvement of the quality of our revenues. So we have been very disciplined in preserving our agreement readjustments dynamics. We have been very disciplined in collecting auxiliary expenses or revenues, so we don't miss any opportunity. For example, collect for damage that was made. So the management model has become more mature and we will continue contributing so that we can have a satisfactory and healthy results for the future quarters. The second quarter, in fact, has a weight that had the contribution from SCA. SCA has came in, in July. If I have to break down the results for the next quarter, for 2026, I would say that M&A will continue contributing with a, let's say, share of about 30% of our total growth. Even though we had made lots of operations, none of them has a side that would make the business move individually in a not proportional way. Our business is recurring services and rental, which are the protagonists that will have a better seasonability and we will have better distribution in country, and we also have another pricing list for the next months. So now answering your second question, accounts receivable. And this is where I would like to be very transparent. The move of accounts receivable does not come from the acquisition of those companies. Rather, they come from a very assertive decision that we made and that we made in a very frank way to -- and a practice that would have a supply chain finance transaction. So we no longer have BRL 135 million of anticipated performed receivables, considering that the capacity of cash generation of our operations naturally would already offer the liquidity comfort that would be large enough so that we would have to stop recurring results to those financial instruments whose cost would burden the income result of the company. So we are getting the benefits of having done our homework along the quarters, gaining more predictability and more cash generation volume so that we can now stop spending our resources on interest without any need. I hope I answered.

Lucas Melotti

analyst
#13

Yes, that was very clear.

Operator

operator
#14

Our next question comes from Joao Ramiro with XP.

Joao Ramiro

analyst
#15

On our side, we have 2 questions. First, in relation to CapEx. The CapEx increased a lot this quarter, probably related to the line of fleet renewal probably as a result of the strategy that you had for newer fleet in a more assertive way. So at what level do you want to reach -- do you expect to reach next year? And in terms of net CapEx, could you disclose what would be the level that you aim at taking into consideration both the dynamics with suppliers, which is very positive with the longer payment terms and good purchase conditions. And also in relation to the footprint of asset sales stores, you said that you expect up to the end of the year, you expect to have more than 30 stores already opened. Today, you have 19 stores open. So could you share with us on how the schedule of opening the stores will take place along the half of the year? And what's the level of sales that we can expect for this year, for next year and how everything is like to reflect on the net CapEx, please?

Fernando Aragao

executive
#16

Jo, thank you. I'm going to answer your question. As we wrote in the letter, at this moment, CapEx is -- has a lot of assets that are being sold. So we are using this favorable moment. purchasing machines since I was 15 years old with my father in auctions and everything else. So we know how to identify good machines, and this is part of our DNA. This is what I get from my father. So we can identify the special moment in order to purchase equipment. And this is one of the moments considering everything that is happening in Brazil and across the world. Armac is a company. Yes, let me say something else. It's a special company because it's among the many equipment manufacturers, which is different from trucks, for example, where you only have 2 or 3 major manufacturers or green line equipment. And there are many options and also manufacturers coming from China and also from India. But we know how to identify how to approach and how to become a distribution channel to a distributor that is interested in growing in Brazil. So this is a very good moment for this purpose. The rental vertical has been using for many years, part of the recurring services fleet and the CapEx strategy of the company was to think about the consolidated terms. So what I would expect to observe in consolidated terms and oftentimes with purchase for the consolidated, but it would be the right mix for the rental. So for many years, we could not offer to our clients what they really needed or wanted. So we had this challenge ahead of us. So we are using this moment in order to face this challenge without leveraging the company. So the CapEx is high for what will be necessary for the short term because the machines that are being replaced are going to be sold in the next 18 months. So there should be a reduction of the capital employed that would contribute to the increase of returns. Assumption that we have for the company is the following. So comp is when there is a month when the machines are invoiced. And since we have this condition, we have been favored by the payment conditions for payment, which are differentiated. So our assumption has been -- so we want to have more asset sales into the cash than what we're going to be using for purchasing new equipment. So cash CapEx -- net cash CapEx is going to be negative. More capital will come in from the asset sales than to the manufacturers. This is what we have been doing, and this is how we have been projecting our internal cash flow. I'm not going to provide the guidance in accurate terms, but you will see this in the results that you will see that asset sales will bring in more revenue than coming out. And what happens in the short term, as the stores will become more mature, we have been using those asset sales stores as a distribution channels for short-term lease rentals. And this is the great way of generating revenue in those verticals. As the stores mature, they are aligned with what the clients need, and we are going to continue selling assets. So cash net CapEx will always be negative in relation to the level for the next year. I'm not going to provide this guidance either. But in relation to the cash for the shareholders, which is very important to understand whether the company is going to become more leveraged or less. Yes, considering the CapEx, it's going to deleverage in the future. In terms of the number of stores, which was your last question, we are going to end the year with 32 operational stores that would sell and also rent equipment. And the team has been doing a very good job and the level and service level has been very good. The team for the rentals and for the sales are very well trained, well qualified. So we are inspired what we happen in other companies, and we are adjusting our processes. 32 stores up to the end of the year. This is a footprint expansion that we expect. So it's not going to stop there. The growth thesis is to expand our footprint. So as we understand the economics of each store, how long it will take for each store to mature, what would be the risks involved, what would the new mix and the capital required. When all those variables get together, we become more comfortable in order to start a sustainable growth by means of the footprint expansion. I hope I answered your question. Is there anything you would like to add Marcos?

Marcos Pinheiro

executive
#17

No.

Operator

operator
#18

Our next question comes from Filipe from Citi.

Filipe Ferreira Nielsen

analyst
#19

I would like to delve into 2 questions. One is relating to the depreciation and residual value. You're going through this moment of a ramp-up of asset sales and the asset sales margins were positive, close to 0. And this is what is expected from normal asset sales. But the depreciation, however, continues at higher levels. I would like to understand how do you see the evolution of this residual item, if the depreciation is likely to continue growing and if it's incorporating any item of difficult conditions for sale? Or is there anything that is happening in this turnaround? Does it bring that now you sell equipment with lower life cycle. And my second question, going back to turnaround of rental. You mentioned that it's a turnaround that's going to take time. It will be some years we will come to a steady state. And in the release, you talk about higher costs, higher capital allocation for the next quarters. I would like to understand what's the path like? How do you see it? So how long, what are the higher costs? and how this process is likely to evolve?

Marcos Pinheiro

executive
#20

Felipe, thank you very much for the question. I'm going to start talking about depreciation, and then I'll turn to Fernando so that he will discuss the turnaround. You probably noticed that depreciation was very much in line with the previous quarter. And now I would reinforce our commitment to update our estimates at all times so that we can recover the cost of those fleets. We still have some way to go. This is something that we do from time to time. We involve external specialists, and we also involve our independent auditors. And with the new network of stores of asset sales, we have a precise capture of what would be the market value of the fleet as the ones we have available for sale. This brought a lot of richness to the process and will decrease the volatility of this indicator. I'll call it, indicator in the next quarters. Having said all this, I believe that there is another element which is very important to show, which shows the size of our challenge and how important it is to have precise data. And when we look at our results release and we consider the business verticals, we can clearly identify that the assets in each of the verticals would command decent margins when they are sold. And of course, we are talking about a fleet of more than 10,000 pieces of equipment that require more studies in an individualized way. So there's a pathway to be followed still, but this is a constant analysis that we make. The current level that we are at now is adequate to the level of wear and tear that we have in the fleet as a whole. However, I would like to be ever more accurate. So I believe this is what I had to say about the depreciation. The difficulties we face when selling our assets. Of course, assets are competence that are being developed since 2024. We started back then with more consistency. But last year and this year, we created a work method where our sales consultants and our sales managers develop their markets. They look at the sales funnel. They also see how they are going to activate the clients. And we standardize the pricing information, observing regional characteristics. All this to say that selling is always difficult, but we are well equipped, well prepared in order to face this challenge. If not, we would not have doubled our numbers year-on-year. We will continue investing in this, and I'll turn the floor to Fernando.

Fernando Aragao

executive
#21

Felipe, in relation to depreciation, as you can see in the release, and we can see the breakdown that is provided to our shareholders, we really want to look at them as our own business partners, and we want to provide the transparency to the shareholders. And depreciation is going to be treated in a very conservative manner. Today, if you look at the numbers, there is a press of an estimated depreciation, which is very low along the years. And we accelerated this because the value estimates were adjusted or better price as the company became more organized and as the company became more able to control the data. So part of the current depreciation is an adjustment that of the recoverable value of the assets that were a little bit higher and there was a reduction. But in the long term, maybe the company will have a depreciation level lower than the current one after the new this cycle of turnaround of the fleet finishes. We are in this process. When the first cycle is over, we are going to start another cycle with much more capacity to estimate the recoverable values. And we also will opt for being more conservative even if it generates profits when we sell the assets. This is the general line that we are following. In relation to the rental turnaround that you mentioned, this vertical will have more capital than it requires for some time because also lapping some new assets and with sales that have a certain rate. So the capital employed is higher for some time. And in relation to costs, part of the initiative would involve efficiency or synergies between rentals and asset sales. synergies among consultants and also work as the Americans do, where the rental agencies would do both activities, more capital, but maybe the cost will have efficiency journey that we are following. And so the results are likely to be improved. In relation to sales, we are very proud of the work that has been done with asset sales and by the team. We employed all the knowledge that we have about forklifts and the yellow line products and created a single network with attributes, unique attributes that would understand the need of each client. So we see that the sales capacity is growing and very positive, and we are getting surprised with the potential of this market. There used to be a repressed demand. of assets, as I said, it's -- we are talking about the millions of Brazilians that decide to become entrepreneurs by purchasing used assets because they did not have capital for a new purchase. So this is a choice for many people, and we are able to provide this service to those people with the asset sale structure. So we have had good surprises, but that doesn't mean that, okay, -- so we are not saying that all the fleet is going to be sold every 2 years. What I'm saying is that the asset sales values have been growing, and they are likely to continue growing because we want to make this adjustment in the strategy so that we can offer the right mix so that it's going to meet the demand of the clients. And we want to do it as soon as possible because when we go to the other side, the figures and numbers of the company will be different. So we are accelerating as much as we possibly can. However, I wouldn't say that this acceleration will last in perpetuity because after the adjustment that we are making, as I said, since 2012, we were purchasing machines and operating in the market. We have never sold assets. But once we did this first adjustment to the fleet, we are going to use the fleet as long as we can serve the clients with adequate economic return. What's going to be the average term? I cannot provide the precise number, but it's longer than a car -- that of a car. along the time, all the variables will be adjusted and the company will manage the data and we'll be using the equipment as long as the client would like to use it as long as value is generated and as long as the choice is good. So this number will not grow indefinitely, the sale value.

Operator

operator
#22

We received 2 questions from [indiscernible].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#23

The company has been facing some difficulties with the clients in relation to requests of renegotiation or reduction of contracted scopes. What are the impact of the Chinese machines in the process of purchasing machines? Is there any impact in the pricing and the purchasing in operation?

Fernando Aragao

executive
#24

Thank you for the question. In relation to the reduction of scope, we're exposed to segments that are very resilient. Infrastructure has a growing demand. Many new concessions are happening in several segments, sanitation, roads, trains, even railways. So there are a number of segments where the CapEx would need to be performed. We do not have seen any opposite result in this infrastructure area. In terms of the agri business, it's exposed to industrial chain and also in the processing and exports. So agri industry, in spite of the negative period for the grower. The industries are operating well and the logistics of the agribusiness hasn't changed and the demand hasn't changed because volumes remain high. There has been no reduction in volumes. I would say that there's just one segment we are exposed to where we saw some adjustments in the client demand, but this is not material, which is that of fertilizers because of the increase in the price of sulfur. -- many plants in Brazil that used to use sulfur as input as a feedstock in order to produce the final product to the grower. All those plants are facing difficulty to access the sulfur because of price and because of the access itself. So those plants who had sulfur as the main input are facing difficulties. But however, they are not a relevant share in our revenue stream. One of the major benefits of the platform that we developed, as I said, it was expensive to build this bill, but it has already been built, and it's very diversified and in exporting and resilient sectors. The only talk about reducing the scope are those plants who use sulfur as input. So the vertical of recurring service is still growing and all those other verticals are very well positioned in terms of demand. In relation to equipment from China, in the past, there used to be a material discount in the machines coming from China in relation to the local machines. This is for the leader who buys individually. Like if you go to a dealer of Cateraterpillar or at CMG, you would see that the discount was very material. But that happened in the past. Plants evolved so much in China, and they are much more automated and they have a quality control that is even higher than the other parts of the country where the automation has not been implemented. where they do not have enough robots. So Chinese equipment is recognized as good product. All the welding is made by robots and the assembly also. So we do not see a lot of failures. You likely to see any failures from equipment coming from different regions when people are doing that, those kinds of activities. And this is something that the market has been recognizing. And this is something we can see with your own eyes when you go to China. As dealers today, there is a discount still Chinese are likely to gain scale, and they offer higher volume when compared to other places where the manufacturers are exert pricing power by reducing the volume, which is different the way China works. So there is a discount, a certain level of discount when China wants to have market share leadership, but it's not as material as it used to be. So the dynamic is very similar to what it has always been when we purchased from American, Korean, European, American manufacturers, and they offer different prices. And what matters to us is the discount in the retail area. which is the investment that the manufacturers would do so that AMA could help build the distribution of those products or the brand in Brazil. This investment in brand construction is the relationship we have with the manufacturers. And we are going to look at the same manufacturer and the same equipment. So we are going to see how much is it be sold to an individual purchaser and how much can we purchase the same equipment and we consider that delta that would be a safety margin that we are going to be looking at. I hope I answered your question in relation to the dynamics.

Operator

operator
#25

The Q&A session is closed. We would like to give the floor to Fernando Aragao to make the company's final remarks.

Fernando Aragao

executive
#26

Thank you very much, everyone, for this event at this meeting. For the future, we are going to report on the 4 verticals, and we are also going to talk about the variations of performance among them with the purpose of helping the partners to remodel the company and together with the management to understand what's happening to the numbers and figures and which is the direction we're going to take. So there will be corrections of the route at all times. Adverse events may come up at any time, but our commitment for the future is to provide transparency of all the events and of the strategy of each vertical so that you can follow our execution in a very transparent manner.

Operator

operator
#27

With this, we end the video conference, and I would once again thank you for participating. So the video conference of Armac is closed. We would like to thank you for your participation, and have a nice day.

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