Atlassian Corporation (TEAM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 10, 2021

NASDAQ US Information Technology Software conference_presentation 39 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#1

Hi, everybody. This is Nikolay Beliov from the research team here at Goldman Sachs. Happy to introduce James Beer, the Chief Financial Officer of Atlassian. James, thanks so much for attending our conference, and welcome.

James Beer

executive
#2

Happy to do it. Hello, everyone.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#3

A quick disclaimer before we start with the Q&A is that Goldman Sachs does not cover Atlassian. It's not a covered company.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#4

James, to kick off the conversation, high-level question, how have customer priorities changed with COVID from your perspective?

James Beer

executive
#5

Yes. I think that we will continue to see an emphasis on remote work. Obviously, we were all forced into that abruptly, what, almost a year ago now. And I think the teams were required to use the tools that were most necessary and most available immediately. But I think what has accelerated in this past year is this notion of the value of remote work of teams needing to continue to be productive. And I think as time has gone by, it has only served to bolster the importance of what we do. We have always been about having teams be more productive. And I feel as though where the world is going, is very much consistent with the paths that Scott and Mike have been on now for many years. So I don't believe we're going back to the old ways of work. I think there will be a mix of approaches once everyone is vaccinated and some sort of normalcy can return to life. But I don't see there being any change to this trend of really driving productivity of teams with those teams being located in many different places. So I think it speaks nicely to what we do for our customers.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#6

And in that context, how would you characterize the evolution of the demand environment since last March?

James Beer

executive
#7

I think it has been steadily improving. Obviously, we talked when we announced our Q4 numbers of fiscal '20. So for the April, May, June period of last calendar year, that we did see challenges there in that initial lockdown period. And then since then, I would say there's been a steady improvement. And that really speaks to what I was just referring to in my last answer is that the value of what we do for our customers. So often, we are mission-critical, if you will, to how their workflow is designed and operated. We obviously have a very large number of customers, directionally around 200,000 customers. And so we have customers of every shape or size. And for our SMB customers, I've been pleased by their degree of resiliency in recent times. And so they, just like our larger business customers, have continued to see the value of what we do and gradually build upon what we have historically done for them. And I see that trend continuing.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#8

And what is your perspective on, with the distribution of vaccines accelerating, how that might impact business conditions? How do you...

James Beer

executive
#9

Well, I think as vaccines are more broadly distributed, they'll certainly bolster business confidence. I think it will bolster individual and team member confidence. But again, I don't see us going back to the traditional 5 days in the office type of approach. And I see what has played out in this last year, really being a catalyst for driving important change in terms of the importance of remote work, of being able to have a platform of products that help facilitate that work wherever it may be. So I think it will be an incremental boost to the business environment overall. But I see the continuing value, in fact, the increasing value of what we do for our customers.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#10

Atlassian as a company, how do you think about pre-COVID versus post-COVID, the split between being in the office and working remotely?

James Beer

executive
#11

Yes. Well, from a pretty early time, we've taken the stance of our people having the ability to work where it makes the most sense for them to work. That obviously can offer them more flexibility in where they live, the house that they can afford and that sort of thing as well as flexibility in terms of their daily routines. So I think there's real value to that. And at the same time, obviously, it provides us with significantly more flexibility in terms of the geographies from which we tap talent going forward. Now I think you also have to be very thoughtful and intentional about how you design work in that environment. We're very cognizant of the need to build relationships amongst team members who may be in pretty far flung geographies. But remember, Atlassian has really almost always had that challenge as the company has been growing between our heritage in Australia and still a very large part of the business there, but large operations in this country, in India, in other geographies as well. So we've, for many years now, been faced with the reality of team members being located in different parts of the world. And of course, that's helped us understand the needs of our customers and understand how best to build products that are very relevant for this world of remote work that we've been talking about. So we want to be flexible in terms of giving our people the way to design, the way they do their work. So we think that's the best for our people, and it's best for the work outcome as well. And of course, that all ends up flowing through to our customers at the end of the day.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#12

Before we jump into financial questions, wanting to set the stage with a few strategic questions. The first one being, how do you think about the blend between technical versus nontechnical users as part of your strategy?

James Beer

executive
#13

Yes. Well, we have, for many years now, really been clear on our mission of serving all teams, both technical and generalist. And so nothing has changed there. We have traditionally landed with software developers in those types of teams. Now it's important to note that those types of teams generally made up of technical folks as well as more generalist business folks who are participating in the work of designing, developing and implementing a software product. That, I think, is illustrated by some of the statistics that we noted at the Investor Day in November last year, where I think it always surprises people how many of the users of our more technically oriented products like Jira Software, Jira Service Desk are actually generalists. So 46% for Jira Software identify themselves as generalists and then 48% for Jira Service Desk do the same. So we're already, as a result of our software developer heritage, engaged with people right across the business in a very material way. Now I think it's also important to note how, in the last couple of years or so, we've been particularly also focusing on the IT customer. And that has made a lot of sense for us given the natural adjacency historically between the software development world and the IT world. And I would very much argue that this is only making even more sense now as you see the DevOps trend really bringing together much more closely the builders of the software and the people who traditionally run that software. That border is dissolving and is really now a situation where there's a significant overlap between build and run. And so our focus there on both software developer and IT is naturally helping our product set become accepted across the technical sphere of an organization. And I think that's an important theme and a real differentiator for us in terms of the competitive environment. Now separately, we've also invested significantly in products like Trello in recent years that have given us an ability to land with generalist teams as well. And so that's been another important vector and just really illustrates our commitment to this mission of serving all teams, not just one type of team within a business. And we increasingly look for ways in which we can use this range of products in sensible ways to serve different types of teams right across the organization. So we're pleased with our progress on the technical side. We talked back at Investor Day about how our TAMs have continued to expand very nicely in recent years. When you look at the technical side, we talked about a $13 billion-type TAM figure in our views and then an $11 billion nontechnical TAM. So $24 billion size overall TAM, directionally about 10x where we are in revenue today. And I think we're well positioned to be able to drive value for customers right across that spectrum.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#14

Can you please dig a little bit deeper into the distinction and the strategy between software developers versus the general IT worker? How is it evolving with the cloud? And talk about...

James Beer

executive
#15

Yes. So as I say, this DevOps notion is very real. That border line is blurring. There's no question about that, and I just see that trend accelerating. I think the cloud just makes that much more logical. The iteration, the pace of new development, the volume of new versions of the software that get issued every day, every week, so different to how software was developed, say, 10, 20 years ago. And so there's very good logic as to why that blurring is occurring, that those teams have to work really hand-in-glove to be effective for operating the software that is so critical for customers. So that's an important theme that is playing out that I believe we are uniquely well-served to be able to address. We very much look at Jira as being the platform that extends across the business, that allows a business to consider its workflow, operate effectively its workflow right across an organization. Others of our competitors focus on particular verticals, if you will, in terms of types of employee, not industries, when I use the word verticals, but types of employees. Our approach is very much to work right across the employee groups at a company. And I think Jira has -- based on what we were just talking about earlier in terms of its utility across the business is really unmatched in terms of being able to serve as multi-disciplined platform for managing workflow.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#16

And how does the recent launch of ITSM fit into this picture?

James Beer

executive
#17

Yes, I think it's an important element of the story. We've talked about software development. We've talked about the blurring through DevOps with IT. And another key component for our ability to serve the IT marketplace is centered around ITSM. For some years now, we've had Jira Service Desk, a very successful product. We've talked about it over the last few years being our fastest-growing product ever. And what we have done in the last couple of years, in particular, is continue to organically build out those capabilities, but also supplement those capabilities with some key acquisitions. So the configuration management database was an area where customers would routinely say to us, "Look, that's a hole for you. You need to fill that gap in your product portfolio." We did that through an acquisition of a company called Mindville within recent months. And so that's just illustrative of how we have continued to build out the service management capabilities that we can offer our customers. We've recently launched Jira Service Management now. You can think of those as an extension of Jira Service Desk and bringing other capabilities tightly integrated around that core. And it's early days, but we're pleased with the reaction that we're getting from customers around that offering. It's a very large market. I think there's a real opportunity for us to serve, you can think of it as, sort of the middle part of that market perhaps, the smaller enterprises, the medium-sized businesses and so forth. There's really very little competition there in our minds. And a part of what makes Atlassian so attractive generally is the value that we bring to our products in terms of relatively reasonable pricing for the capability that we deliver, the speed at which a customer can get up and running. These are hallmarks that I think will be attractive increasingly in this service management market space. And indeed, of course, the other thing I'd just point out is that, yes, there's an IT service management market, going back to the earlier part of our discussion. There's also a more generalist service management market that's important across different functions of an organization. And so that's something else that we're putting a lot of thought into as well. And again, we feel well positioned to serve those spaces.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#18

Great. Moving on to financial questions. What are the key takeaways in your mind from the December quarter results?

James Beer

executive
#19

Well, we were certainly pleased with the subscription revenue growth rate. That was very much consistent with the guidance that we offered back at Investor Day about being able to make mid-30s percent growth rates on the subscription revenue line, both this year and next year. So that's an important theme. We were also pleased with the customer -- the new customer count. That was a record for us. And while those new customers don't have a very material impact on the revenue in the quarter in which they arrive, that's obviously a good leading long-term indicator for us because our business model is really all about starting small with a customer and gradually building that relationship over time. So we were pleased to see that customer number. And I think that was a combination both of one of the themes we were talking about earlier in terms of companies, the overall demand environment improving, the resilience that our customers are showing does speak to the importance of what we do for them. And it also spoke to some specific initiatives that we've had underway at the company in areas Trello and others besides that have helped us build the customer count as we define it, and that is directionally $10 a month from a company. So that was important, I would say, in terms of the migration story. Obviously, we've been talking a lot about that within the last few months since we announced the end-of-life plan for server. I think it's early days in terms of migrations, but we're pleased with how that is playing out thus far. The other story, I think, from the quarter is that there is going to be some more variability in our figures in the short run. And that will really be driven by how customers on the server side of our business decide to work. Do they look to get on with migration to the cloud promptly? Or do they take advantage of the way in which we rolled out that end-of-life server? We gave them plenty of time. We committed it to maintenance for 3 years further from this month. And so one of the themes of the last quarter was we did see some of our server customers, behind-the-firewall customers, buying additional licenses. And of course, that flows through straight to revenue as they were thoughtful about the fact that we'd be closing the door on new license sales this month. We'll allow upgrades to current licenses for another year. And then as I say, maintenance for 3 years from this month. So based on how each of those 30,000-server customers decides to act, and obviously, that's going to be very customer specific, we -- I would expect to see some variability in the figures. We actually didn't see any material level of maintenance pull-forward activity. Obviously, in the last 2 or 3 years, as we've raised prices, we've seen customers stepping in front of those price increases. That didn't really play out in Q2. I would expect that sort of activity to play out in Q3 because, as of now, we've, in essence, raised prices on both the server and data center business by -- of the order of 15%. So those are the things that will drive some short-term variability in the number as we progress on this transition to being very much a cloud-first company.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#20

James, in this context, there's a question from an investor. What do you think the base cloud business is growing outside of the cloud migration?

James Beer

executive
#21

Well, we haven't tried to sort of break that down and offer specifics around that. We've really focused on the subscription revenue growth rate. Now yes, that does include both the cloud and the data center components of our business. And certainly, that's one of the things that we're being very thoughtful about as we go on this journey, this cloud migrations journey. What are the right ways to think about reporting the business? So we'll keep everyone up to date with our thinking there. But we're pleased by how the underlying cloud business continues to grow. We've talked about 95% of our new customers in any period coming straight into the cloud as opposed to our other server or data center offerings. And of course, that's just an excellent indicator, as I implied earlier, as to the long-term growth of the business overall.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#22

What has been the feedback so far from both your partners and customers on the cloud transition covering the different dimensions of the cloud migration?

James Beer

executive
#23

Yes. So again, early days, but I've been quite pleased with the reaction. Clearly, when folks look at the cloud pricing, we laid a lot of this out at Investor Day, some of those from the larger companies, the cloud prices are significantly larger. And so that's always going to generate discussion and thought for those folks. I think it is particularly important for us to be crisp at explaining the total cost of ownership equation. And I'm pleased with the progress that we're making there because we feel as though we have a very good case in terms of the customers' overall economics. But that customer has to think of it a little differently, not just in terms of software licensing costs, but to also think about the impact of the people that are employed at the customer whose job it is to supervise on-premise software, the cost of the hardware on which that software runs and that sort of thing. So it's a broader equation that we work through. And that work continues. So I'll also say that I think a big part of why the good reception so far to the end-of-life journey that we're on here is that I think our team did an exceptional job of really preparing for this rollout. And I think the design of what we rolled out was very fair. We always try to take a customer-centric view to issues like this, which can be tough on the customers. No question. They have to make a transition. But I made the point a moment ago about a 3-year bridge around maintenance, very much acknowledging that different companies will need a different amount of time to make the change, go through the project of migrating from one place to another. And we're very much focused on helping them do that, be it with migration tooling that helps automate that process, be it with more support folks that we're bringing on staff to help a customer to really sort of help them through the work of figuring out which path to go on and then how to actually do that work. So it's very early. We made the point at Investor Day that we thought 2/3 of our mid- and large-scale server customers, they probably won't be migrating until fiscal '23 and beyond. Now we'll see. And obviously, we'll keep people up to date as we understand the specific plans of each customer. But directionally, that gives, I think, you a sense for how we're thinking about the timing of this transition.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#24

Got it. In this context, how would you describe the trajectory from both revenue and margin perspective from the cloud transition?

James Beer

executive
#25

Yes. So on the revenue side of things, I've mentioned our thoughts about subscription revenue already in the mid-30s over the next couple of years. The challenge will be back to the variability point of a moment or two ago, at what rate and pace do those server customers make their changes? And so what is the trajectory of that -- both the license line and the maintenance line that reflect the server business in our model? And so that's where we're going to see the variability in one quarter to the next. But clearly, the subscription line is where our future lies as we end-of-life the server business, and we're pleased with how that trajectory is already going. And we've spoken in the past about while we absolutely feel that the cloud is the right place from a customer's perspective in terms of all of the benefits of operating cloud software that we've seen play out over the last decade or so, but that it's also an attractive business model for us. We laid out some pricing illustrations in our Investor Day materials. We've spoken about the fact that we see customers of a product growing their user base about 20% faster when they're operating the cloud version of our software versus the behind-the-firewall with the server versions of our software. And we also talked a little bit at Investor Day about our net expansion rate that we're pleased by. I think one of the differentiating factors of Atlassian is that we now have a very nice range of products. The ability for us to cross-sell, I think, is an opportunity for our future that will be really important and will be a further benefit to the growth of the cloud business. And another important point is the editions ladder as we call it. We now have free, standard, premium and now getting into the enterprise editions of our products and the ability to, once a customer is with us on the cloud to be able to, logically for them, build them through those editions with attractive economic outcomes as a result. On the margin side, we've spoken in the past about as the cloud mix becomes larger and larger in terms of the total proportion of revenue, I would expect there to be some headwinds on gross margin. That said, I'm pleased that for a business for Atlassian's revenue now, 45% cloud, I'm pleased with the work we've been able to do on our cost-of-goods sold to keep our gross margins as steady and as strong as they are. And we'll continue that work around our use of hosting resources and support resources as well, which are 2 of the major line items in COGS for us. On operating margins, when COVID really got going, we were clear that we were going to invest through this harder macroeconomic period for our customers. And that's what we've been doing. So this is very much a year where we're looking to make the maximum amount of progress. We believe as economic conditions, to our earlier question, improve, we'll be even better positioned to address our customers' needs. And then on the cash flow margins, I would just say that there will be a mix impact there. I would expect free cash flow margins to be impacted as the cloud becomes a larger portion of the total revenue base because of the fact that we offer both a monthly and an annual subscription. And that today, about 75% of our cloud customers choose monthly. I think that mix may shift over time. But in essence, you will find occasions where an annual server maintenance contract is being replaced by a monthly cloud subscription. And so there would be a natural cash flow margin headwind just from that as we go through that cloud transition.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#26

When you take a step back, James, you mentioned several will be on maintenance for 3 more years, what are the key financial and nonfinancial metrics investors should focus on to evaluate the cloud transition for Atlassian?

James Beer

executive
#27

Yes. Really, we're focused again on the subscription revenue. And to my earlier answer, we're thinking through as we become really very much a cloud-first company, what does that mean for how we think about our financial disclosures and so forth. So more to come on that one. But at the moment, I would say, it's been important for us to make a multiyear projection as to subscription revenue.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#28

An investor is asking about the size of the cost efficiencies as you come out at the other end of the cloud transition and free cash flow margin profile when you get through the transition.

James Beer

executive
#29

Yes. In terms of the volume of cost efficiencies, I wouldn't throw out a particular number. We're right going into our budget cycle now, given that we're a end-of-June fiscal. And this past year, I was pleased by our ability to define a cost-reduction target and execute against that. Again, we didn't disclose the scale of it. And that is, I think, again, a part of the equation this coming year. I think that just becomes a natural part of how we operate the business in a rigorous way. And of course, as we do that, we, in essence, free up resources to be applied to the most important opportunities for investment across the business. We are very much a product-driven company. That is how Mike and Scott formed this company. And that certainly won't change in my mind. And then we very much look at these large-scale TAMs that we have in front of us. We have such opportunities that we want to make sure that we are applying the investment that we need to, to be able to tap into those market spaces. And we believe and we feel as though we have a good history here on our side that by doing that, we will create a good outcome for our investors. So I think that's illustrated by our comments in the last year as to how we're going to really purposefully invest this year. And so we'll see where all the margins play out this year, really brings me back to the variability point I was making earlier because as server customers buy more licenses, less licenses as they trend down towards that end-of-life point that we've defined, that can move the margin around quite a bit in any short-term period. But stepping back longer term, we're very much on this road to being a cloud-first company, as I say. And I think the margins associated with that business will continue Atlassian's long tradition, frankly, of having attractive margins for such a high-growth organization relatively early in its life cycle. Again, it's a very large TAM.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#30

James, recently, you appointed a new Chief Revenue Officer. What changes, go-to-market changes, as a company have you instituted since the change?

James Beer

executive
#31

Well, yes, we have a new Chief Revenue Officer, but Cameron has been with the company a long time. He's very much steeped in the traditions of Atlassian, worked with Jay Simons, our former President, very closely for many years. And so in the go-to-market area, we very much talk about evolution, not revolution. And indeed, I think it was important for us in our Investor Day materials to lay out some of the specifics around how we've continued to gradually build the capabilities, build the size of the go-to-market team in-house while continuing to keep go-to-market expense as a percent of revenue directionally in that mid-teens area. So it's a very -- continues to be a very efficient model from a P&L perspective, while we've continued to add significant resources that are on the sales side as well as the marketing engine, which was the real initial focus of the company. I think the partners continue to be a very important part of our go-to-market story where we have 600-plus partners now. They, as we, are on a cloud transition journey. And I will say I've been very pleased by how they have really grabbed that opportunity with both hands. And I see them very significantly expanding their cloud business and really figuring out from the perspective of their own business model how the cloud is going to work for them. So I think that whole part of our overall business transition, absolutely on track. And I would continue to see the partners being very important to us in the future. So we'll continue to trial different approaches, as I say, evolve our model. But we have really benefited so much from the strength of that traditional Atlassian go-to-market model, which is so different to how other software companies have built out their approach to the top line. That will continue to be a strength for us. Oftentimes, through acquisitions, AgileCraft was an example here, we take on a small, you might call it, traditional sales software approach. And so those acquisitions give us excellent opportunities to experiment with what works for our style of running the company. And so that's just another way in which we'll continue to learn as to sort of what is best for us in terms of this evolution that I refer to.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#32

We're almost out of time, James, but what are the key messages would you like to leave us with today?

James Beer

executive
#33

Well, I think, first of all, the point about the TAMs is really an important one. We've got a massive opportunity in front of us. As I said, directionally 10x the size of our current revenue. And as we continue to develop the company, grow the breadth of the products and so forth, I see that TAM continuing to expand very nicely. I'd say that you will see us continuing to very purposefully work on this cloud-first journey. And it really relates to every aspect of our business. We were just talking about the partners as an example. And so that's an enormously important theme. And we've touched on it a little bit, but we have advantages around our relatively high investment in R&D as a percent of revenue as compared to other software companies. We're very much product-driven, and I do not expect that to change. And then on the go-to-market side, it's the opposite in terms of expense as a percent of revenue. We have an advantage with a relatively efficient engine there. And yes, it will evolve, but I would expect it to be continuing to be absolutely leading in terms of efficiency metrics. So I'd say those are the important themes to take away.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#34

Got it, James. Thank you so much for joining our conference and your time.

James Beer

executive
#35

Yes, happy to do it. Good luck with the rest of the conference.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#36

Thank you.

James Beer

executive
#37

Take care.

Nikolay Beliov

analyst
#38

Thank you. Goodbye, everybody.

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