Atome Plc (ATOM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
March 6, 2025
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood morning, and welcome to the Atome Plc investor presentation. [Operator Instructions] The company may not be in a position to answer every question it receives during the meeting itself. However, the company can review the questions submitted today, and publish responses where it's appropriate to do so. Before we begin, I'd like to submit the following poll. And I'd now like to hand it over to Chairman, Peter Levine. Good morning to you, sir.
Peter Levine
executiveGood morning, and thank you very much, and thank you for everyone, existing shareholders, new shareholders, investment advisers, analysts who have joined this call. Thank you very much for showing interest in our company, Atome Plc. Before I hand over to our excellent CEO, Olivier Mussat, I'd be asked us to say a few words. Now I follow Atome a long way from an idea over dinner in the latter part of COVID times, and it's come a long way. We're impatient. We want to get there fast, just like everyone else does, but what we have achieved in that relatively short period from a standing 0 start from a company not involved in our industry prior to that is nothing more than extremely rewarding and commendable. We set ourselves a challenge when we started, and that challenge was to concentrate on actions, not words, not to effectively build up things unnecessarily, to be humble where it's appropriate, and to be aggressive in terms of the business case where it's necessary. But above all, to focus on the fact that we are generating a business here. And that business must be a business which must be led on market demand and must be profitable and must be a market leader. And finally, must have an attitude towards costs and delivery of true shareholder value. And I'm pleased to say that we are well on the path to this. We have risen to the challenge within a relatively short period of time. And within that time, we actually have become, the industry leader and at the forefront of green fertilizer, which is an exciting business. It's got plenty of scope for growth. And we are here, we have developed strategic partnerships. We want to be judged by the companies we are with and the quality of those companies. And the quality of those companies can be assessed by Casale, our EPC contractor, a world-leading company in ammonium fertilizer construction and technology. By Yara, critically important because with Yara, we have again, a world-leading off-taker, 43% owned by the Norwegian government, who will be taking all our uptake on a long-term basis. Critically important for measuring finances and also for the finance. And the reason for today is, of course, yet another strategic partner, Hy24, a leader in its view critically important as far as equity funding is concerned. And not only a partner now, but we hope they partner going forward, and we're absolutely delighted that Hy24 has joined with us and with our other strategic partners in building this. It is a significant step towards delivering a Final Investment Decision, FID, and completion of full financial close during the course of the next few months. We are with the team very much focused on this, and I'm delighted to say that we've got a full management team and some really, really good and dedicated people. Of course, led by our CEO, Olivier Mussat, you'll hear from in a moment. So this is an occasion where we want to demonstrate to you and show you how far we've come, but the most important thing is where we're going to. And not just delivering the projects because that's the means to an end. We have a very profitable business in the Atome, which is the subject of this call, delivering green fertilizer effectively to South America and the world, but we've got a pipeline. So we've got much more than that. We haven't -- we've just started and we have exciting prospects. We're going from strength to strength, and you'll hear more now. We view the future with confidence. Step-by-step in a serious way as a world leader in our field. At the forefront of what we do, we expected and indeed, copied by our peers, which is, of course, the utmost comp. I'll now hand over to Olivier Mussat, our excellent CEO, who will take you through the presentation. Thank you for your attention.
Olivier Charles Mussat
executiveAll right. Well, thank you, Peter, for the introduction. And indeed, right, we -- it's about the people who are able to deliver business and the company. So at home, for those of you who don't really know as well, I mean the best way to resume it is we are the first and still the only U.K. listed company focused on the development of green-zero carbon molecules and especially fertilizer. So why fertilizer because there's a climate issue with it, and I'll explain that later. But also it's a question of food security, and it hasn't -- it wasn't lost on anyone that since the start of the Ukraine war, the realization that our fertilizer and food channels are actually quite weak. And so the ability to do something about it, not only for the climate aspect, but also to make sure that we continue to be able to feed a growing population was quite important. And the final point is really we have to realize that fertilizer industry itself, it's a $200 billion industry, which have never really been disrupted for a number of reasons. So whilst we will be talking about the project, Villeta and the status of the project and why Hy24 came in and why it is quite transformational for us. We really want to go and explain the value proposition of Atome, not only today with one project, but then it is a project that unlocks everything else and the business proposition. So with that said, I will just go now into the presentation. So hopefully, everybody can see the PowerPoint. Grateful if you can confirm.
Peter Levine
executiveYes, we have the slide up in front of us.
Olivier Charles Mussat
executivePerfect. So obviously, it's all about decarbonizing the global food value chain and making sure we have secure food on the table. So our first project, which some of you have followed now for a couple of years, it's really the 145-megawatt Villeta Project. And today, it is the world's largest dedicated green fertilizer facility, and it is the most advanced. Why is it the most advanced? As you heard from our Chairman, in 2020, when we started thinking about our role into the green molecules revolution, what we saw is that there was a massive gap in that market and nobody was really looking into. And whilst it is the largest green fertilizer facility from an industrial scale, it is actually not that big because we really wanted to make sure we were not going to have technology risk or market risk attached to it. It is a demonstration in a way, but more importantly, it will become the blueprint for the next projects to deliver more and more projects. So we have a 300-megawatt Yguazu project, also in Paraguay, that is in early stages of development and as well as one in Costa Rica with the intention, of course it's copy paste. And whilst we've taken the time to do Villeta right, then everything will become a lot faster, thanks to the lessons learned. So what is Villeta, right? It's about 260,000 years -- 260,000 tonnes per year of green fertilizer. And you make green fertilizer using renewable power. And you have to -- and if you want to make it competitively, as Peter said earlier, it's all about making sure that it is a workable business without subsidies. You need competitively price of power in the middle of one of the largest fertilizer market in the world. And you may be in a very, very big market in Latin America. You still need to have the right partnership on the offtake side, so the one who will sell your fertilizer at the highest possible price. And this is where Yara comes in. Because obviously, they're able to go and crystallize these premiums, and they have been at the forefront of zero carbon fertilizer. And obviously, you need to finance it. And we've talked about the way on the debt side. The idea for us is that whilst Atome itself is a developer, each project that we develop will have its own SPV, so special purpose vehicle, which will be financed at the asset level. And this is where, obviously, we have been working very actively on the lending side with IDB with Natixis, but also on the equity side in the process that we have run. And we're following that process, we were very pleased to have Hy24, the largest fund dedicated to green molecules, coming on board at the project level, and giving what is the equivalent of a pre-money value of $60 million net to Atome for each share at Villeta. So it shows that we are actually showing value very early before we have even started producing. You heard about Casale, who will be doing the EPC on a fixed-price turnkey contract. And obviously, the intention is to target final investment decision, which means the start of construction by the end of H1 this year. What does that mean in terms of cash? Well, the reality is the first full year of production of the Villeta project alone on an EBITDA basis will be around $70 million if we assumed a price of fertilizer of about $420 a tonne. That's actually quite conservative. This is the price of high-carbon fertilizer. And looking at the markets that we are in today, actually, the cost of fertilizer is higher than this, but we just wanted to give you a sense of what it means price-wise. So as I mentioned, it's a -- company is great, but it's only as good as the people that you have behind it. So obviously, you heard of Peter, our Chairman and largest shareholder, who's come from a world of EPC, engineering, entrepreneurship and energy infrastructure. Personally, I came from studying as an engineer in the power sector and then moved on to the financing side. And my last job was with International Finance Corporation, which is part of the World Bank Group. Importantly, is to have the right people on the ground which is where Jim comes into play as the Head and President of Atome in Paraguay, who has experience both on the policy side and obviously on the power side. And Mary-Rose, who joined the Atome team early on, who comes from a background of hydrogen as well as innovation and energy as she was the Head of the International Energy Agency's Partnership on hydrogen. And of course, Terje Bakken, who is our Head of Fertilizer, who had over 30 years career within Eurochem, North quid and Yara, which are the largest European fertilizer company with global footprint. And in here, what you see is obviously our shareholders and partners, and we are very grateful to have a continued support of Shroders of Baker Hughes and Trafigura and so on. But what I want to point out is, obviously, you see Peter at 18%, myself at 5.5%. Every single person in the management has invested their own money into the company, right? And that is for us, it is very clear. And I think it is also one of the things that makes that gives our ability to find the right partners is that they see that we are personally incentivized and totally aligned with all of them to make sure that we deliver the project, in the right way and in order to generate profit. So -- and here in this slide, and I should mention that this presentation will be available this afternoon on our website. It gives you an area of what is the value proposition of Atome on existing projects, and its existing pipeline of projects, which is where what we have on all of -- obviously, the production of Villeta, the potential of our pipeline and also the way we have financed our projects. What you see is that today, we have an average analyst target price of around 187p a share. Obviously, when we look at what the market share of as on today is quite a large multiple, but what we also saw is that just the $60 million value that Hy24 is giving us is a multiple of our current share price. So all that to say that we are really ripe for growth. And what we are seeing is clearly that as we deliver that value is going to crystallize. So a little bit of background of the market itself, right? Why is it that we need fertilizer and especially green fertilizer. So what we are seeing is over the next 20 years, our population is going to grow by more than 1 billion people. And that means that we need 60% more calories, more food on the table than what we today have. And it's going to put a lot of pressure on fertilizer. This graph on the right is quite important because it shows you in green what are, let's call them, the organic-based fertilizers, which have been obviously growing slowly but surely, but only feed about 3.5 billion of the population. Then even in the early 1900s, when the Haber-Bosch process was invented, that creates ammonia that creates green nitrogen fertilizers. What we really saw is that it has helped the growth of the population and feed us, right? And so today, 50% of all fertilizer are synthetic nitrogen-based fertilizers. And all of these fertilizers are based on hydrocarbons. And this is the problem in itself where these 50% of fertilizer, which are feeding the population is responsible for 5% of all global gas emissions, number one. Number two, what we also see is that because this is derived from natural gas, is that most of these fertilizers comes from jurisdictions, which are also not immune from political risk. To give you an example, 30% of all of the fertilizers you see in red, all of the nitrogen-based fertilizer come from Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, which obviously creates a massive risk and a massive risk on food security. So the idea for us is that green fertilizers, zero carbon fertilizer by making nitrogen fertilizer using renewable power, you are able to ensure that you will have supply of fertilizer, no matter the political risk, and on top of that, it will be a carbon free. So it's all about producing more with less and to ensure that we can continue to feed the world in the right way. The idea is also that when you look at the fertilizer market, obviously, it is first to farmers that we think about who are using the fertilizer. But actually, what we have to realize is the carbon footprint, although it is very high for the farmer, it represents a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of the cost when it comes to your end product. So to give you an example, in potatoes, 30% of the emissions made from producing potatoes comes from nitrogen fertilizers, but actually going green represents less than 1% of total cost of potatoes, which is why it is the absolute lowest hanging for companies like that on Starbucks or M&S to go and tackle right away and reduce the emissions right away in the right way, right? Because obviously, that is going to make sure that they meet the sustainable goals, but also ensure that they have a security of supply over the long term. And we've seen really interesting movements where even in Latin America today, Yara is providing low carbon fertilizer to the sugar industry. And because there is a demand, not only for green, but in an end of security of supply. So that's what basically we call the pool model. So it is the market which is pooling fertilizer companies to produce at lower carbon emissions. Then there's the push issue, which is what we are seeing is the reason that these companies are going green is both for helping make the world a better place, but also because they have increasingly carbon taxes applied to them. So there is a profit element, there is a cost element. And what we are seeing now is that in Europe, in the U.K., there are carbon border adjustment mechanism, basically taxes, which will be enforced on the import of fertilizers. And that is going to have an impact of possibly increasing fertilizer costs by 20% to 30%, if it is highly -- if it has a very carbon footprint. So it is an opportunity for us to play a very significant role and to provide a solution today and other solution tomorrow. So the process to make green fertilizer is actually relatively simple. Today, regular nitrogen-based fertilizer is made using basically hydrogen. But as I mentioned earlier, it's hydrogen coming from natural gas as you separate CH4, carbon-hydrogen. But what we can do at scale now, and this is relatively recent. It's only been for the past 5 years, you've been able to do large-scale green hydrogen is by using water, H2O, and using a lot of electricity to split the H2O into a H, hydrogen, O, oxygen. And that hydrogen goes into the regular Haber-Bosch process, which means Hydrogen is mixed with nitrogen that then through the Haber-Bosch process becomes NH3, nitrogen and 3 hydrogen. And once you have your ammonia, you run it to make it ammonium nitrate through basically mixing nitric acid, which is made from ammonia and concentrated ammonia, and adding regular ammonia. That becomes ammonium nitrate. And once you have your ammonium nitrate solution, it's a liquid, you add dolomite or limestone to make basically use calcium -- to calcium ammonium nitrate. And that calcium ammonium nitrate is essentially a bag of fertilizer that can be shipped anywhere in the world. But clearly, we are in Latin America. This is a market which imports huge quantities of power. So it is very easy to put it on the truck and then deliver it to the market that needs the fertilizer. So this goes a little bit further into the project and what we have done to date. So as we've announced back in 2022, we signed a long-term power purchase agreement with ANDE the National utility. So as I mentioned, you need power, a fair amount of it, and it needs to be green, right? It needs to be zero carbon renewable power and which is why we have cemented our partnership with ANDE, which managed -- which takes power from the second largest hydroelectric dam in the world called Itaipu. We have bought the site. We have brought in all of the advisers and contractors needed. We have gotten environmental and operating license, which means that all of the permitting is done, so that we can start construction now. And we've done all of the environmental social impact assessment using the World Bank performance standards. Because for us, yes, just because it's a green project, doesn't mean that you shouldn't do things right, unenvironmental and a social point of view. Because this is your long-term social license to operate. The government has provided further support by allocating us a free trade zone. And on the engineering side, we have finished for front engineering and design. And this is the first time ever that was a full engineering design study was done for a large-scale green fertilizer plant. So on the next steps, obviously, the financing side, and we've mentioned many times that Natixis has been our financial adviser and helping to deliver -- putting together the debt package. And so we are looking at about $400 million of senior debt. And so IDB Invest has already indicated sort of up to $200 million. We've talked also that IFC has also been engaged. And we're also talking with a number of GFIs and ECAs into finding the best possible structure for the project. And we will make some announcements on that in the next couple of months to tell you exactly who is going to be the lender. At the moment, we are very fortunate that because this is a project which is climate positive and food security. It had a lot of interest with the financing institutions, which is why for $400 million, we had received nearly 5x of other subscription. But of course, if you have the debt on one side, you still need equity on the other side and which is where the Hy24 announcement is so important because we have always said that we were going to target 60% at 40% equity, which means that we -- in the process that we have run with Natixis, we really went. And in a very methodical way, we went and reached out to a number of private equity player, a number of expressed interest and through that competitive process, we were very, let's say, honored, but at the same time, happy that we have basically found an alignment with the fund, which is the best fund in the hydrogen and green chemical world in Hy24. In the next steps, so we had signed the heads of terms on the EPC with Casale, our technical partner for the construction of the plant. And we are now in the final stages of completing the EPC contract, which we will announce in the coming months. And from Yara as obviously, we had announced the heads of terms the commercial terms and completely agreed on the commercial terms with Yara. And now it's all about moving this commercial terms from a heads of term into the final form of agreement, which comply with the requirement of project finance. And again, expect some announcements coming through that. And so once we have all of the steps, and we finish the book build on the debt and the equity, we will reach final investment decision. So I mentioned about Hy24. Obviously, the -- it was quite important for us to present to the potential investors, a deal, which was what we would call fully baked at the end of the day. And I mean that the project is here, it's permitted. You have all of your major contracts already there or in route. You already have a financial structure that is well understood and with, let's say, a P90 risk on the price, so that you can present the best case to your investors so they can give you the most value to the project. And so once you have all of these things set, which is what we have done, you approach investors and say, "Well, this is the project. This is the type of returns you could expect to make. Can we discuss the structure and how you would align with us?" And so for us, it means that what we have, where we are now having had this agreement with Hy24 is we can move every single thing that we've done today into firming up and into delivering to the FID. And from a let's say, reputational point of view, it's also very important to us that it really shows, as Peter mentioned earlier, you don't do these first-in-kind projects without having the right partners. Credibility is extremely important. And obviously, Hy24 brings more than just money, right? They have some of the best investors in the green chemical world. So they're bringing skills as well and the right contacts. And that's quite key to have them as part of the project because it demonstrate that actually this is a solid project which has gone through, let's say, a number of gating events. And whilst Atome obviously maintains the day-to-day management through the life of a project so that we can show and develop more value on the project itself, but also they will accompany us into the next projects that we have on the pipeline. And that's quite key to have a very strong partner so that they can grow with you. A little bit of Hy24. It was basically created with a FiveT Hydrogen management team in partnership with [ AXA ]. And AXA, it's one of the world's largest asset manager, it's about $177 billion of assets under management. And jointly, we have created the Hy24 fund focused on clean hydrogen chemical infrastructure. And here below, you see the partners that they have, who are basically limited partners, investors into the project. So we're talking about Air Liquide, EDF, Itochu, ABN Amro, CDPQ and so on. So it really shows that this is pretty much the growth standard of investor, which is coming in. And obviously, coming in into the first time into a bit in Latin America, and first time for Hy24 looking at the fertilizer project and in Latin America. So it really shows the strength of the project. Overrode every single risk that could have been seen on that. So in the heads of term as we talked about it, right? It's a binding exclusivity for us to continue building together the equity group to get to $230 million. With them anchoring the investment. And actually, we have already talked to a number of investors who will come in the project. And this project -- for this part of the process is ongoing. And the idea is they will invest between $100 million to $115 million. So depending on the appetite and the type of partnership that comes in, although they're coming at $115 million, but can create space to create the best equity club together. And obviously, for us, from the value today and the pre-money valuation, as we discussed, it's about $60 million. And it represents roughly what we call in the oil and gas world, a carry-type mechanism, which means that we are getting about 20% of the value of the project for what we have done to date, right? So it's an extremely compelling valuation, and it is pretty much within the guidance that we have been given to the market. So as far as the next project, I mentioned earlier, Yguazu, and I'm -- I think, accelerating just a little bit because I really want to give time to Q&A. So on the 300 megawatts where we have already earmarked the -- sorry, say, reserve the power capacity from ANDE. And we will go into full development once we reach FID on Villeta for us. Getting Villeta across the line is the top priority because then it will help unlock and accelerate everything else. And as I mentioned, on Costa Rica. So we have a framework agreement with ESIA, the state power company. And again, this project is maturing, but we need to focus on getting the project to start up construction in Villeta. So from a time line point of view, this kind of goes about what we have been saying earlier. And so the next steps is going to be the definitive EPC contract. The definitive Yara offtake and, of course, the definitive equity agreement as we finish book building the Equity Group. And then after that, we get into the debt financial case. So that is the summary at the end. So what you see is really, we continue to be the world's most advanced developer of green fertilizer project and by a long shot, nearly more than 2 years ahead of anybody else. This will be the first dedicated green fertilizer facility par none. This represents real value, not only on future EBITDA, but on the current value. And most importantly, and again, I can never stress that enough is that now we have the best possible anchor within the project with Hy24 to get these near-term catalysts done and get to financial close. So with that said, I will move to questions, if I can.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] and Olivier, if I could just hand back to you to read out the questions where appropriate to do so. I'll pick up for you at the end.
Olivier Charles Mussat
executiveYes. Happy to do so. And sorry for the noise, 10:30 is the alarm call over here. So I think I will start with some of the pre-submitted questions. So can management provide insights on the current stage of sale and distribution of renewable fertilizers, particularly in the heads of terms, how does management assess the market environment for attracting further buyers? So to explain it in a very, very quick way. More than 95% of all fertilizer available in Latin America and especially Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is imported. And this is more than 30 million tonnes of nitrogen fertilizer. We represent less than 1% of that in that market. So we can sell multiple times over all of our production within 1,000 kilometer radius. So the market is there. It's not the problem. The trick, and this is why having Yara is important is how do we get the best premium for what we are producing, not only because it is logistical there. And as I mentioned earlier, if you are dependent on imports, you have a risk in your agri operation. So there's a premium for having new production at home or close to you on a completely controllable basis, or logistical premium. The second bit is, obviously, it is zero carbon. And as I explained earlier, in a couple of years' time, so by '26, '27, there will be carbon tax imposed in a number of jurisdiction for nitrogen fertilizer, so non-green fertilizer. So suddenly, you will have something equivalent to about 20% of the cost of today's fertilizer of tax added on top of it, which means how do we make sure that from our point of view, we get the green premium, the green benefit. So clearly, we want and we are able to be competitive with our product, which is zero carbon with the imports. So that's important. How do we get to the next premium, right? And it's basically going down to the market and talking to the Marks & Spencers, the Nestles, the [indiscernible] of this world, who are basically the one who are and who will get the most benefit of having low carbon fertilizer. So which is why we're not stopping, obviously, at one project because it's a big, big need that needs to be addressed and it's a big opportunity. So remember, when I started, it's a $200 billion market, which is prime for disruption for many things. But also it's prime for disruption because it has a problem. It has a carbon problem and it has a supply problem. So I will go to the next question. So what are the next steps to reach FID? So obviously, now that we have Hy24 giving us a clear line of sight on the equity. It's about moving our EPC contract to a final form contract. It is about moving the Yara contract, the Yara heads of terms into the final contract, which is happening as we speak. It is finishing putting together the club on the equity side. And with all of that, which is obviously the progress that we are making is closing the senior debt financing, so that we can reach FID. So now this is actually just about process. We've done all of the hard bid, all of the long bid to make sure we select all of the best partners at every single point in time. Now we really go about delivering. Coming from an infrastructure background, this is the type of things that I used to do all the time. So now this is basically mechanics. Like all of the risks about, okay, who do we want to choose, why do we choose them and so on, it's gone. Now process, process, process. The next question. What are Atome's priorities for 2025? First half, Villeta, Villeta, Villeta. Second half, growth. Paraguay, Costa Rica, other countries, and I think this one of the advantage that we have about being publicly listed is we have credibility, we have transparency, and we have other developers who have approached us. And of course, with the Hy24 announcement hasn't been lost on the sector, and we had a number of renewed interest from developers who are saying, well, can we find a way to partner because clearly Atome seems to have the strategy and the methodology right to get projects to FID to financing to completion. Next question, the RNS mentioned Atome joining the Equity Club, how would Atome fund this? Past placings have favored a small number of investors to the detriment of existing small product investors? It's a good question. So what we have is, number one, as mentioned, we are carried 20% within the Villeta price it is. And we have the option to participate pari passu with Hy24 with the new investors. And obviously, whilst on the carry mechanism, we believe it is the best result that we could achieve for us as existing shareholders, but also that this mechanism offers us the ability to put money at the same terms at Hy24. And obviously, these are strong terms. [ ARDIAN ], Hy24, these types of funds are not charities, right? So what we see is it's an attractive proposition, and we will evaluate at the time, as I mentioned, it's a book build. And so what we will do, obviously, from a funding point of view, if we decide to go ahead and fund at the same time as Hy24 is presented to the market, and explain what is the advantage and why we should do this because we would believe it is the best thing for shareholders. I think on the comment at the deferment of existing and small private investors, I think what you would have found is in the previous raises that we have done, we have been pretty transparent and even saying the market, please reach out to our brokers to SPI, to Stifel to see -- to press your interest to participate into these ones, and we will continue to do so. And as I mentioned, as management, we will also continue to invest our own money into the project and show that we are fully aligned with all of our shareholders and all of our partners. The next question, why is this agreement so significant for Atome? What value does Hy24 bring to the project? So Hy24, it's a EUR 2 billion equity -- private equity firm. And they have a number of things across, right? So they have these relationships whether it's with Air Liquide, with Itochu and so on. And so they have in their shareholder roaster elements of helping us deliver and accelerate on our own projects. And they have also the firepower to go and grow with us into our future projects. So as I mentioned, this is not just about money. This is not just about credibility. Of course, credibility is important. And it's one of these things that Peter, our Chairman mentioned earlier on, like we started with a very experienced team but without that much credibility, but we knew that the idea was right that the time was right that our process and experience was right. And we really went about doing things in a very, very, let's call it, measured and issued manner not to get stuck into the hype and really sometimes be pretty ruthless into choosing where we were going to go and our partners, and that has brought credibility to us. And that has allowed people who are specialist investors with extensive track record in the green chemical space and even in the fertilizer space that actually, we were doing things right, and that continues to do things right. So I think next question. I think there's one about milestones. I think -- again, to go back on the milestones. EPC, final form; offtake, final form; equity club, finalized; and then delivering the debt and then we start construction. So could you explain the EUR 60 million And how this was calculated? It all comes down to negotiation at the end of the day. As I mentioned, there was a process. We knew what type of valuation we wanted to get, which is something which would look at around 20% carry. There are different ways to skin that cat in the structuring world. And we also took hard decisions between, okay, how much value for the shareholder, for the new shareholders for the existing shareholders? And what is -- and also what does that particular shareholder bring? And is it worth doing pluses and minuses and figure out okay. But maybe that investor is giving us a higher value, but we believe that, okay, maybe it wasn't the right investor and vice versa. So there was a long competitive process. And as I mentioned, we were very happy that -- we have the right part with a valuation, which is exactly what within the range that's given to our shareholders for the past year. So are you able to say what percent or approximate percent target of Villeta will be left with after project-level equity finance in place? Well done on progress and hard work so far. Thank you very much. I appreciate the comment. And the team, I would say, is thankful for that recognition because yes, everybody has been working extremely hard on it. So as I mentioned, what we are looking is that once everything is said and done, it's going to be equivalent to roughly a 20% share once the system. And what we are certainly going to go to continue to push there -- we are targeting a conservative 60-40, 60%, that 40% equity. And in the next few months, we will continue to try to optimize this and get even more value to us as Atome shareholders, but also to Hy24, right? We are partners. We want them to make money because if they make more money, we make more money. And another question, are able to say how close you are to the PPA agreement for Yguazu. As I mentioned, it is -- the power is reserved. We continue to have a very, very active dialogue with ANDE. And so until we reach FID, we are not going to move that to a PPA but the line of sight is very clear, and the alignment on ANDE is very clear, right? The moment that we prove that we get FID on Project 1, then we can move on to Project 2. Another question from Miguel, equity commitment on Hy24 is firm or subject to approval by limited partners? So obviously, you're not able to make any announcement whatsoever if you haven't been going through a very rigorous process of due diligence and also a process of approval within the existing Hy24 system. I mean without -- you don't become $170 million plus equity fund by being, let's call it loosey-goosey. So how strong it is? It is obviously extremely strong. It is also a question of trust but verify. We still have to deliver the full form of offtake in the full form of EPC and so on. But we are working hand in hand and -- in order to put everything together. So it's very firm. Well, I think you just -- you just have to look at the message that Pierre-Etienne put out in our joint statement, right? I think it's -- clearly, we are fully aligned. They are -- and they are working with us to make sure that we have the best times on the way. Another message. This looks encouraging. Thank you. Will you announce progress on the critical milestones in the project so that investors can monitor their progress? Yes, we will. And sometimes, we have been worried about communicating too much because we are also educating our competition. But as I mentioned earlier, like we've already given the blueprint of how we do things, we've been extremely apparent and sometimes overly transparent on how we do things. And now it's all about delivering these milestones. So yes, there will be the announcements as we go. There's another one from [ Rory ]. What opportunities are represented by the potential ratification of the EU Mercosur Trade deal? I think it's an opportunity to be able to sell more products from Mercosur into Europe. And of course, if you can sell it and show that you have a lower carbon footprint than your competition, it's quite strong. Is it going to have a really direct impact on us? Honestly, not that much. Because this is kind of one remote. And the market is already so deep that we are not dependent whatsoever on that trade deal. But however, I think it will continue to show that this is a strong region of interest for Europe and beyond the world. And obviously, now that Paraguay has met investment-grade over the past few months, and it showed to be one of the strongest economy, I think a lot of the, let's call it, political risk for lack of a better word, perception has really gone. And it really shows that this is a preferred partner. And obviously, without getting political at all, what we are seeing happening into the U.S. at the moment, meaning that a lot of the supplies coming from the U.S. will be at risk or at risk of being taxed when they get into Europe. So if they are taxed, it means that it's only going to push the price of fertilizers up, which obviously is not great for the world. It's not great for our food security, but will enhance the attractiveness of our project. And not only as it gets built, but also as we start producing and because we will be one of the first or the first large-scale green fertilizer projects. From James, in the regions do you see opportunity for scaling up production, giving limitation of So the foundation of the analysis and part of that discussion around dinner that Peter mentioned earlier, is like it was really about high grading, we are the blessed places in the world to have access to existing power that we can tap on very, very quickly and then grow from that. And it's for us is you start with baseload hydraulic power. And from a growth point of view, then once you start -- when you start adding a little bit of wind, a little bit of solar and so on, and you go from that. But also, this is the first project in its kind. So you have to reduce every single risk along the way. And as you go through Project 4, 5, 6, 7, you take a little bit more risk as well. But what we are seeing also is that there's been a dramatic reduction and it continues to reduce cost on battery storage. So it is still nowhere close to us competitively priced as existing hydro. But from a few years point of view, for us, where is the next growth story, we definitely see that we will be able to copy paste and then take maybe a little bit more risk on the power side from where we are today compared to the relationship we have with ANDE, where we take a little bit more CapEx risk for Project 5, 6. But it will be very, very clear and everything else anyway will have been already derisked. So this is how we kind of continue to grow. And a question from Anil. Congratulations on your funding. When this was announced on Friday, the share price dropped around 6%. Could you shed some more light on this? I think I would love to be able to predict the market. I can only refer to you back to what our analysts are saying when they're saying, well, actually, our share would be about 187p on average. And yes, I think markets are incredibly difficult to predict. The -- what maybe could say is that there was some -- we have seen an escalation of our share price and the days before on the expectation of the announcement. Again, I don't really have a crystal ball. But what I know for sure is that as an existing shareholder, we are obviously extremely conscious about our share price. And we continue to believe and we will put more effort and money into the company as we get to that FID and to that production sale. Question from Mark. On what terms is the debt going to be placed at? How much interest the remaining equity, which needs to be raised? So from all of these processes started all the way back in the summer last year. So when it comes to pricing, we're looking at the long-term price -- long-term debt, so we're basically talking 10-year plus, at attractive rates. So we can't really disclose them at the moment. But what we are seeing is because between the ECAs, between the DFIs and with the fact that Paraguay is now investment grade, the pricing is definitely quite attractive on the debt side. And on the interest, how much interest it there is in the remaining EUR 150 million of equity. Again, that process started, right? And we started from back in the summer. Now the difference is obviously with the anchor of Hy24 with us, a number of investors, which were in the room, have either expressed renewed interest or continuing the process because they said, "Okay? We will come in, but we need a specialist anchor to come in with us because we know the region really well, but we don't really understand the chemical side of the business," which is again why Hy24 is so important because it will help catalyze a lot of these discussions that we have. So it is basically -- is it a multiple of the remaining equity? Yes, it is. And we certainly hope that we'll be able to make some announcements over the coming months. I think I've answered all of them.
Peter Levine
executiveYes. Olivier, thanks very much for answering those questions from investors. And of course, the company can review all the questions that have been submitted today. We will publish those responses out on the Investor Meet Company platform. But just before redirecting investors to provide you with their feedback, which is particularly important to the company, Olivier, could I just ask you for a few closing comments?
Olivier Charles Mussat
executiveSo I think the closing comment is like we are -- I mean, we couldn't be more excited. I cannot -- I am a little bit French. So sometimes a little bit overly conservative. But the reality is, yes, I think everything that we've worked so hard on is basically panning out as we wanted it to pan out. And now this is all about delivering. Delivering with the right people, with the right partners, which will generate growth, which will generate interest and obviously enable us to get to the next stage, to the next stage of growth, to the next stage of partnership. So I think for us, it's all about continuing what we have been doing, and mechanically going into delivering contracts to FID. And we will update the market as these events happen. And as I mentioned, this presentation will be available on the website this afternoon. So please go and download it because I haven't gone into every single detail of our presentation. Again, we try to give as much detail the data as we can. And of course, we remain open to any questions that you want to ask us. And I guess, the future is bright. Maybe we said the future is green. If you look at the background of a ton. But yes, Q2 will be an extremely exciting time as we get to FID on Villeta. So thank you very much, and thank you Hy24 for joining the Villeta adventure.
Peter Levine
executiveOlivier, thank you once again for updating investors today. Could I please ask investors not to close this session as you now be automatically redirected to provide your feedback in order the management team can better understand your views and expectations. This going to be take a few moments to complete, but I'm sure be greatly valued by the company. On behalf of the management team of Atome plc, we'd like to thank you for attending today's presentation, and good morning to you.
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