AUB Group Limited (AUB) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 22, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorThank you for standing by. Welcome to the AUB Group acquisition of Pacific Indemnity and Equity Raising Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Mike Emmett, CEO and Managing Director. Please go ahead.
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveThank you very much. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. We're pleased to announce that AUB has entered into an agreement to acquire a 70% equity stake in Pacific Indemnity Underwriting Solutions. Before we dive into the details, let me highlight 3 key points. Firstly, the acquisition is firmly in line with our strategy to build scale in agencies and in financial lines product in particular. We know the team at Pacific Indemnity very well. They're based in Australia, and we've had aspirations to invest in Pacific Indemnity for some time. Secondly, we're buying a high-quality business on good financial terms. Pacific Indemnity has solid revenue growth rates and margins at or above our own agency target margin. It is well supported by carriers. And with today's placement, the purchase is EPS neutral before synergies and before we deploy the remaining capital from today's $200 million equity capital raise. And finally, AUB continues to trade well. We expect financial year '24 results to be at the top end of the guidance range previously communicated. We have a clear strategy and are executing well. All divisions are performing strongly, and we have multiple growth drivers with organic momentum and a very attractive pipeline of further acquisition opportunities. Now let me give you more detail. I refer you to Slide 9 of the presentation pack released earlier today. Pacific Indemnity is a leading Australian-based underwriting agency, specializing in Professional Indemnity, Directors and Officers Liability, and General Liability insurance products. The business has achieved strong historic growth and operates with the margin at or above our own agency model. Pacific indemnity is led by an experienced management and underwriting team that are highly regarded in the industry and well connected with the [ Austbrokers ] membership. In financial year '23, Pacific Indemnity delivered gross written premium of AUD 177 million and earnings before interest and tax of AUD 15 million. The acquisition is highly complementary for AUB, continuing AUB strategy to invest in underwriting agencies and to build out a portfolio of agencies offering risk products relevant to AUB's clients and their insurance needs. The build-out of our agency division has been very successful. However, as we have highlighted previously, we lack sufficient scale in financial lines, specifically in areas such as Professional Indemnity, and Directors and Officers, both of which are strengthened by this investment in Pacific Indemnity. The acquisition values Pacific Indemnity at an enterprise value of AUD 192 million, representing a 13x FY '23 EBIT multiple. The upfront consideration for AUB Group's 70% stake is for AUD 105 million to be paid on completion with the balance payable 18-months after completion on a sliding scale, subject to financial year '25 performance. AUB has estimated the deferred contingent consideration likely to be in the order of AUD 35 million. This structure aligns the interest of AUB and the Pacific Indemnity management team who will remain with the business and continue to own a 30% stake. The acquisition is expected to complete on the 1st of July 2024. AUB is delivering against its strategy, with continuing strong performance across all divisions. As announced on the 7th of May 2024, AUB is forecasting our financial year '24 underlying net profit after tax to be towards the top end of the outlook range of $161 million to $171 million previously announced to the market on the 20th of February 2024. AUB has a track record of executing on strategically aligned acquisitions and a robust acquisition pipeline for financial year '25 and beyond. We continue to assess opportunities to add scale and capabilities to the group on an ongoing basis. AUB is undertaking a $200 million equity raising to fund the upfront consideration for the acquisition of Pacific Indemnity that is payable on completion of the acquisition and to provide balance sheet flexibility to support AUB's ability to capitalize on its continued attractive and value-accretive M&A pipeline. Following the equity raising and completion of the acquisition of Pacific Indemnity, AUB expects its net leverage ratio to be under 1.75x with cash and undrawn debt of AUD 400 million. The acquisition and equity raising are expected to be EPS neutral pre-synergies. We do see synergy opportunities, both with our retail brokers and [ advertisers ]. AUB expect EPS accretion once the balance of the equity raising is deployed on its FY '25 M&A pipeline. Now moving to Slide 11. This slide summarizes the progress in building out our agency portfolio and particularly the early achievement by the end of calendar year '23 of our stated target to exceed $1 billion in GWP through our agencies. A key pillar of this growth has been the acquisition of agencies such as 360 Underwriting, Strata Unit Underwriters and now Pacific Indemnity to form the cornerstone of our growth in the areas of General Commercial, Strata and Specialty, respectively. On Slide 12, we provide an overview about Pacific Indemnity. Pacific Indemnity was established in 2015, and operates broad Professional Indemnity binders with Lloyd's syndicates as well as with local insurance carriers. It also offers Directors and Officers and General Liability products. As shown on the doughnut chart, they offer these products to a diversified client base across multiple industries. As shown on the right-hand side of the slide, Pacific Indemnity will form part of the specialty agencies portfolio, and will continue to operate under the Pacific Indemnity brand, led by the same very experienced senior management team who have a strong track record in writing quality risks in the Australian market. We anticipate additional revenue growth for Pacific Indemnity as a result of mutual benefits between AUB and Pacific Indemnity and the opportunity to expand Pacific Indemnity's offering to Austbrokers and to leverage AUBs distribution and operating scale. Slide 14 shows the pleasing historic growth of AUB Group underlying net profit after tax and underlying EPS. In addition, on the right-hand side of the graph, we highlight the steady strengthening of the outlook for financial year '24 underlying NPAT, including most recently that we now expect the underlying impact towards the top end of the previously communicated range of $161 million to $171 million. Moving now to Slide 16. The left-hand chart on this slide indicates the annual contribution to growth and underlying impact since FY '20 split between organic growth and the contribution from acquisitions. We are proud of the strong underlying organic growth AUB Group continues to deliver. However, it is also important to emphasize the contribution from acquisitions over this period. The right-hand chart sets out the annual investment in acquisitions, excluding Tysers and shows the investment in Pacific Indemnity. As the Pacific Indemnity investment will be made on 1 July, this will more accurately be shown in future periods as part to financial year '25. However, we chose to keep it simple for today's purposes. Slide 17 shows the key use of proceeds from the equity raising announced today. $105 million of the raise will be used to fund the upfront consideration for Pacific Indemnity while the balance of $95 million will support the continued execution of AUB's accretive and strategic M&A pipeline and fund the cost of the equity raising. By the end of June 2024, pro forma for the equity raise and Pacific Indemnity investment, AUB Group will have access to circa $400 million in cash and undrawn debt and the leverage ratio will be below 1.75x. On Slide 18, we provide an overview of the equity raise. I'd like to reinforce several key points. The raise is for $200 million, the offer price of $27.50 is at a 6.7% discount to last close and a 9.3% discount to the 5-day [ volume ]. 7.3 million shares are to be issued, representing roughly 6.7% of AUB's existing placement capacity. New shares will rank equally with existing AUB shares from the date of issue. AUB will consider making an offer to eligible shareholders under a share purchase plan. Further details will be provided to the market, should AUB decide to make such an offer. However, the share purchase plan, if made, would be for no more than $25 million worth of new AUB shares. I'd like to now hand over to the moderator for questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Kieren Chidgey with Jarden.
Kieren Chidgey
analystA couple of questions, if I can. Mike, maybe just starting with sort of the multiple you paid here towards the high end of what we've seen you pay historically for acquisitions? And also I note financial lines are at a point in the cycle where globally, we're seeing rates start to soften. And the EBIT margins in this business, look, as you've stated, pretty solid or already above your own agency business on average. So it's not clear, I guess, in terms of why sort of pay such a full multiple at this point in the cycle? So just keen to get your views on sort of what the growth drivers here, have been more recently and how you see them playing forward?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveYes. So 3 things here. One is, I think if we bought it 2 years ago, I think your question about rates would have been a very valid one. The fact is that the rates in financial lines have softened significantly over the last 12 months. And we now believe that they represent a stable -- if you like, almost the normalized view of what the run rate will be. Secondly, it's a multiple on FY '23, I'd emphasize that some of the acquisitions that have happened in the market for agencies over the last year or 2 have been multiples where some of the growth has been paid for as well. So a significant portion of this is based on the FY '23 growth, or sorry, profit. And the third one is a comment I made previously, which is effectively, we value agencies based on 3 things, and then we value M&A generally on a key extra piece. The first is the nature of the binder terms, particularly 2 things commission rates and the capacity. And so -- and the third one is really around the length of commitment around the binder. And so that fundamentally drives the future profitability and growth potential of an agency. And so we're obviously comfortable paying near the top or above our normal range if we believe that there is long-term growth prospects and a significant opportunity premised on the quality and tenure of the binder arrangement. So that's the first key point. Second is, we obviously anticipate a number of synergy opportunities. I think there are 3 obvious ones. The first is our Australian broking group place these types of products across a number of agencies and insurers. And so we obviously anticipate as we have seen with the rest of our agencies that our brokers place an increasing amount of business into agencies that become part of the family. And so we've seen disproportionate growth of our agency placement into agencies versus business they place elsewhere. So that's one. The second is, while the lion's share of the capacity that Pacific indemnity has access to is an Australian domestic binder, they have a number of London binders as well, which are not placed through Tysers. And so obviously, over time, as those arrangements -- there as an opportunity to migrate those. We'd be looking at the appropriate action to take, but nonetheless, that's a synergy opportunity. And the third one is I've spoken many times about the key components of scale in agencies. So the fact is larger agencies make higher margins to smaller agencies, partly because of the income leverage that they have, but also just structurally, the fixed cost element is quite significant in an agency. And so what this gives us is the opportunity to leverage their scale together with our existing specialty agencies, which, in many cases, are subscale be able to improve the margin across the full portfolio. And so if you take all of that into account and the fact that largely, we anticipate strong growth that we're not -- that we will benefit 70% from, we're not really paying away for that synergy growth. We believe that the multiple is a fair reflection and that we are comfortable that in the short to medium-term, the effective multiple will normalize back to our roughly 7.5 to 9x.
Kieren Chidgey
analystAnd sort of a related second question, which you partly touched on, but you did mention sort of the rates you believe has stabilized now over the last 12 months. But just wondering if you can give us an indication for how different the '24 earnings for this business is likely to look given we're very late in the year. And you've talked about obviously EPS neutrality on a '24 pro forma basis. How should we be thinking about Pacific Indemnity's '24 earnings relative to the '23 numbers you provided?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveWell, I think it would probably be no surprise to you that we would have looked at post FY '23 performance to assess whether we're paying a fair price or not. And so I think it's safe to say that performance will be stronger rather than weaker in FY '24 base than the FY '23 numbers we've used for valuation.
Kieren Chidgey
analystOkay. And double-digit growth like or we're talking pretty moderate growth over the last 12 months?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveKieren, no comments. It's not appropriate. We'll only own the business from 1 July and tell you about the FY '25 growth rate.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from Julian Braganza with Goldman Sachs.
Julian Braganza
analystJust following on from Kieren's question there. In terms of just the completion, just a deferred consideration payment and the EPS neutrality comment, that seems to imply, I think its sort of to be clear that I've got the numbers correct, if it's AUB share or the group, but it seems to imply $19 million of EBIT into FY '25. So I just want to be clear, if that's correct? And then just any comments on the growth into '24 and '25, given that data point?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveI won't comment specifically on the number, Julian. What I will say is that the EPS neutrality comment is around -- it really opens the question around if we were raising purely for the $105 million then it would be accretive, however, we sized the raise around EPS neutrality. So it's really around the question of what will the $95 million be used for. The assumption for our EPS neutral comment is that it will simply be used. It will remain in the form of cash flow debt -- debt reduction piece. Clearly, if that's deployed into other M&A, that is accretive. And so if you look at it in isolation, it's accretive. However, we've sized the raise based on EPS neutral piece. So rather than, I think, trying to presuppose what that looks like for an FY '25 EBIT number, I think you should just work off those premises.
Julian Braganza
analystOkay, sure. But if I use that $35 million deferred consideration and the formula you provided. Is that $19 million that you backsolved of FY '25 EBIT? Is that the group number? Or is that AUB share?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveSo the [ $15 million ] that we provided is the 100% number.
Julian Braganza
analystRight. Okay. I understand. And then just in terms of -- just a couple of other follow-up questions. Just in terms of M&A spend going forward, obviously, that's increased a fair bit. Just wanted to understand how we should be thinking about that into years going ahead, just underlying in the M&A front.
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveWell, you say it's increased, I mean, I think, for 2 years, so for FY '23 and '24, it's pretty much been -- I'll call it, a new normal. So if you left out BizCover, then if you look you'd have FY '21 and '22 at a certain run rate level, as the group is growing significantly we've established a new run rate level for '23 and '24. What looks like a spike, I referenced it earlier is because we're showing Pacific Indemnity as part of '24, it really is actually part of '25. It is the rest of the number for '25 we don't know. So you can't take '23 to '24, including Pacific Indemnity and then draw conclusions from that. It really depends on how much we spend in '25 that's additive to the Pacific Indemnity.
Julian Braganza
analystOkay. Great. And just one last question. Is there any debt in this business as well, just to be fair?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveNo. As a general principle, we acquire all of our -- we make all of our investments debt-free.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from Andrei Stadnik with Morgan Stanley.
Andrei Stadnik
analystSo I want to ask my first question just around the -- your makeup of your agency division going forward. Do you see any large gaps remaining in your agency business going forward? Or are you broadly happy now in terms of having all the right components in the mix there?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveWell, I'll answer -- I mean I think in terms of strategic capability gaps, then I would say little, I think they're more complemented by bolt-ons. We're still don't have enough scale in cyber, et cetera. But having said that, our strategy has been to make, let's call it, a key acquisition for each of the agency subunits or subdivisions, right? So we bought 360 to become our primary agency around general commercial. When we bought 360, they had 10 agencies. It's now 20 and so some of those have been bolt-on acquisitions and most of them have been new agencies that we've seeded and grown. In Strata, we acquired SUU and that's become, if you like, our scale component of our strata piece. And our Pacific indemnity gives us scale around the financial lines, particularly D&O and Professional Indemnity. And so in a way, I guess, while we've had bolt-on acquisitions and the others, I think you could think of it the same way, which is we make one, let's call it, an iconic acquisition. And then we build around it to complement and leverage that acquisition. But it doesn't mean that there won't be any future acquisitions in Australian agencies either, nor does it mean the job is done in terms of margin expansion, et cetera. But this is an important acquisition for us in terms of that specialty area.
Andrei Stadnik
analystAnd my second question. Can I ask around what are you seeing in terms of pricing in financial lines because it has been soft. But we have been getting feedback that some of the brokers, insurers are thinking it could be turning. But what are you seeing in terms of pricing in financial lines in Australia and also maybe globally?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveYes. So well, that links to the answer I gave earlier -- to Kieren, which is around I think a year ago, people were talking about rates coming off. I think the fact is we didn't invest in this business or a similar business 2-years ago. We invested in it now. And that's precisely because we believe that the rates have largely normalized, and we believe that the downside risk is much smaller than the upside opportunity we have. So in a way, the timing is precisely to cater for. And that's why we didn't buy something 3-years ago to get a sort of a sugar hit.
Andrei Stadnik
analystA very quick third one. You've actually done a sell-in here. So like is it management itself that is selling 70% stake to you?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveYes, it's predominantly management. There are some external -- or there are some non-management that's involved in the industry shareholders. But by far, the largest shareholding group is management and everyone has sold down the portion there.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from Jason Palmer with Taylor Collison.
Jason Palmer
analystJust in terms of the GWP of Pacific Indemnity, how much of that, Mike, is I mean is it only a small amount out of Lloyd's syndicates? How much of that is currently placed with Lloyd's syndicates?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveJason, I have to come back, but it's roughly 80% that's placed into domestic insurers.
Jason Palmer
analystOkay. And I guess everyone is trying to backsolve this $19 million, which with a way to go at -- and you can get it in multiple different ways. But the multiple you just gave out then of 7.5 to 9.5x implies sort of at the midpoint, $23 million of EBIT or EBITDA on a 100% basis. Could you maybe unpack how you get from $19 million to $23 million through those synergies? And any of those synergies that you've called out are included in the bridge from the actual number to the $19 million. We're all backsolving for 2025, please?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveI think the key thing, Jason, is around -- is it a fair price to pay using a 13x multiple of FY '23 because obviously, let's say they got 10% growth in '24 than using a '24 number. Relatively recently, there were other agency transactions in the market where effectively, there was a lower multiple, but it was also applied to all growth in '24 and '25, right? So we're not paying away and a fact there's an earn-out style structure to protect us on the downside. So I think the first question is, is 13x FY '23 historic high multiple for a business like this? The second question is are there credible synergy benefits. I think as regards to Pacific numbers, the reason we haven't called out the Pacific synergy numbers is because we think the fundamentals stand on their own. And we are confident that the growth in the business, together with incremental cost and revenue synergies more than justify the future potential for it, but we're still very comfortable having paid 13x FY '23. So frankly, even if there weren't synergies, we would still be very comfortable with what we've bought and the price we paid for it.
Jason Palmer
analystYes. Just the last one. You talked about the nature of the binder terms. I think you said if you look at commission rates and you look at capacity to grow the business. And you said that the margins this business is doing is because you've got better scale than some of your other agencies. But -- the earnings of this business relative to its GWP is much higher than the group. I think it's 8.4% or 8.5% versus 5.9% for the other agency businesses pre this acquisition on FY '23 basis. So is there anything unique in terms of the commission structures or the profit shares this business has seen -- to the extent that it might prohibit you from wanting to maybe move some of your binders to other [indiscernible] at some point?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveThe short answer no. I mean, -- the interesting thing for us is -- so if we put Pacific Indemnity to one side, as a general observation, our portfolio agencies, so if you -- if we said we had 50 agencies, some of them actually lose money and some make a very high margin, higher than Pacific Indemnity. And so we have this portfolio with different agencies in different stages of maturity and scale. The fact is, I come back to my old adage around -- the agencies that we want to own are large, scalable agencies where they have grown to a certain scale because the margin -- any revenue topline flows -- normally flows straight through to the bottom line. So what we did with SUU in particular but 360 as well was we brought scale agencies that then allowed us to benefit from a significant margin expansion because we were able to roll low-performing or poor performing agencies into them or in some cases, very good agencies that just weren't at the scale where they could leverage that to drive margin expansion. And so we've got exactly that in specialty. And so the combination of Tysers together with the scale from Pacific indemnity, gives us the opportunity to expand and grow topline, but in a way that doesn't dilute our margin.
Jason Palmer
analystOne more, but I could just trying to understand what the secret sauce of this agency business has been to be able to grow through the softening rate cycle. And why are you so bullish on it being able to grow on its own, right outside of the synergies you don't really you want to quantify? And that's my absolutely last question, thanks.
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveI think Lots of agencies -- I think the reality is there's a combination of when you get to a certain scale and reputation and credibility, then you have pricing influence, you have low-cost distribution because of the reputation and the awareness. And so what we have the opportunity to do then is look at ways in which we can better leverage our own distribution scale to redirect more business into Pacific Indemnity, and therefore flow through to an enhanced margin. So I guess there's a piece around scale and maturity of the business, and then there's a piece around brand and reputation. I'm not saying it was just because we're investing in them. The fact is, I think if you spoke to an average broker in the market and you said to them, who are the best specific -- I'm sorry, Professional Indemnity underwriters in the market, they would say Pacific Indemnity. And in fact, a number of -- Pacific -- because of their capacity from the binder, there are a number of brokers that they actually don't and can't service. And so they've adopted a stance where they will only focus on certain broker partners because they want to ensure that they service them appropriately. And the fact is, obviously, if we can expand capacity, we'll be able to expand topline with little margin dilution.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Scott Hudson with MST.
Scott Hudson
analystLast question I guess, in terms of your longer-term agency margin target of 45%. I guess you're now at the $1 billion capacity that you've talked about in terms of -- to get there? I mean what sort of timeframe are we thinking about in terms of when you hit your 45% margin target?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveYes. Good question, Scott. So just a little bit of color on that. So firstly, as a reminder, so the 45% was really 40% underlying plus whatever profit commission we earn, and that's predicated on an assumption that we've theoretically can earn between 0 and 10% from a margin point of view from profit commission. So therefore, our minimum profit -- EBIT margin in a terrible year from a profit commission [ would be 40% ], and the best year ever would be 50%. Now in reality, we've never had a worst year ever, and we've never had the best year ever. So the range is likely to be 43% to 47%. And so what we anticipate is the underlying margin at 40% would then fluctuate, some years it will be 43%, 47%, 46%, 44%, 47%, et cetera. And I know that doesn't sound like a steady-state, but that's effectively steady state. So our focus is on underlying margin of 40% plus excluding profit commission. So the fact is it's very hard to -- so the levers we are applying are, firstly, how do we accelerate growth in agencies at the topline, and then how do we ensure that we are consolidating on the middle and back office cost to build and improve the margin. We're in a really enviable exciting position where our agencies are growing like there's no tomorrow. And so the dilemma we've got is how do you keep the check and balance about prioritizing revenue over margin and what balancing act you have there? So, I think the short answer is we can absolutely observe and are confident about the 40% plus margin. The question around timing is really around how rapidly we see this topline revenue expansion opportunity will continue, because, of course, the real -- when you're winning new business, the lifetime value of that business because of the higher conversion rate or retention rate is massive. And so winning new business is very valuable to us. And so short answer is it's actually in our control. The margin base is in our control. The revenue growth is a bit out of our control, and so we'll prioritize the latter over the former while we feel confident that the revenue growth is there to be have.
Scott Hudson
analystOkay. Understood. And then I guess just in terms of longer-term growth with Pacific Indemnity, we've obviously -- I guess you highlighted the doubling in the number of agencies, under the 360, do you anticipate sort of indemnity will be the vehicle to drive significant growth in those professional lines?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveYes.
Scott Hudson
analystAnd I guess in terms of the holes outside of Cyber, where you would think it adds as [indiscernible]?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveGood question. I mean I think we -- so if you look at our agency portfolio in the -- let's call it the short term for the next couple of years. I think we have a very strong portfolio now in Australia. We probably have pockets -- so that's really genuine bolt-ons. I think cyber is the obvious one, if there were a product to call out. But we've got pockets of gap or new agencies that are still very nascent. We are woefully underscale in New Zealand. And so it's just quite difficult to find profitable agencies in New Zealand that are available for reasonable prices, to be frank. And so that may well be an unrequited ambition from our point of view for some time. And then obviously, the next wave will be [indiscernible] which we get some scale in retail in the U.K. The missed opportunity there is obviously some retail agents is almost akin to our general commercial business, but that feels like a few -- a couple of years away. So if you said we're going to deploy capital in agencies, it's going to be in no particular order. It's going to be let's do something around cyber. If some opportunities come up in New Zealand, some start-up agents is in particular areas in our -- general commercial in particular, a commercial strata product, which we don't currently have and then potentially retail-focused agencies in the U.K. ultimately. That feels like a roadmap of where we'd be investing in agencies over the next 3 to 4 years.
Scott Hudson
analystAnd how many of those are Tysers which facilitate in terms of...
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveWell, Tysers is really -- they will facilitate. That's a good question, quite a hard one to answer. I think where we've seen the real assistance in Australia has been around the general -- sorry, around the specialty agencies. And -- but that's really been because those are the ones that are a differentiator. It's perfectly plausible for Tysers to place a large -- I don't know -- Accident & Health, even like a travel product or something. It's just that that's not something that we have much distribution in. So we don't see significant opportunity there. But over time, Tysers can certainly assist across the spectrum of risk products from General all the way through to Specialty. But for now, we're working backwards from where we see the real differentiated opportunity for us.
Scott Hudson
analystAnd last one, just in terms of, I guess, deferred consideration for Tysers, is that due to the course of FY '25?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveIt's actually due at the end of January '25.
Scott Hudson
analystThat's GBP 100 million. Is that correct?
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveWell, it's up to GBP 100 million. I think probably worth emphasizing, I think -- the components of that relate to Tysers revenue and we communicated that scale of the range around Tysers revenue. The second thing is it also included some other adjustments. So for example, an element of adjustment in the event that the department adjusted settlement was above an escrowed amount from our purchase price, then there would be an additional adjustment to the earnout payment in our favor, obviously. But there are also pieces around changes in some assumptions in regulatory capital requirements at the time of the acquisition versus now. So there are a bunch of adjustments and normalizations that play a role. And so we start assessing and measuring it from the second quarter of FY '25 affectively, it's sort of a bit of a rolling measurement process in the lead up to December.
Scott Hudson
analystOkay. So I guess that 1.75x leverage ratio is prior to any -- prior to the deferred consideration that tysers have.
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveCorrect. Yes.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time. And I'll hand it back to Mr. Emmett for closing comments.
Michael Patrick Emmett
executiveSo thanks, everybody. Firstly, in closing, I'm very pleased to welcome, Jun, Ed, and the Pacific Indemnity team to the AUB family. The AUB Group is continuing to make strong progress, delivering enhanced benefits to our clients, our broking and agency teams and our shareholders. The performance and progress of the group continues to demonstrate we have a strong strategy, and we're executing well against it. Thank you, and I look forward to your questions during the course of the day. I hope you have a lovely day.
Operator
operatorThank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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