Aussie Broadband Limited (ABB) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 27, 2023

AU earnings 36 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Aussie Broadband Limited half year results. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Phillip Britt, Co-founder and Managing Director. Please go ahead.

Phillip Britt

executive
#2

Thanks very much. And good morning, everyone, and welcome to Aussie Broadband's FY '23 half year results. My name is Phillip Britt. And with me today is our CFO, Brian Maher. I'd like to begin by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land on which we meet today; and pay my respects to the elders past, present and emerging. I'd also like to acknowledge any Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander's people whose here today and acknowledge their connection to land, the sea and sky. This morning, I'll take you through the progress of our Aussie 2.0 strategy and the key highlights, including upgrading EBITDA guidance for FY '23. As you'll see, it was another half of strong growth for Aussie, and we've continued to deliver our plan and are very pleased with the company's overall results. Brian will run through the financial detail for the half. And then I'll provide detail on each of the segments before opening up to Q&A. During the half, the team remained focused on delivering our Aussie 2.0 strategy. And that will position the company to be Australia's fourth largest provider of communications and technology services by 2025. We spent a large part of the half setting up the right foundation to unlock the business, enterprise and government opportunity; and we believe we're now in a position to accelerate growth in these 3 segments. Some of our foundational pillars are outlined on Slide 4, and these build the base for our 2025 ambition. We're prioritizing resources in 3 key areas. We've continued to leverage our technology platforms, including infrastructure, systems and fiber network, to lay the foundation for future growth. Specifically, we've been expanding our fiber network, upgrading our voice platforms with additional capability and expanding our cloud capability and infrastructure to take advantage of the move towards a hybrid cloud environment. We've been expanding our team with talented people to help drive our exceptional customer experience and further go to -- expand our go-to-market strategy. And we're continuing to deliver sustainable and profitable growth, leveraging our infrastructure and automation to drive down costs, increase margins across the 4 segments. In Slide 5, we touch on our business model; and how we're now segregating the results and businesses across all key segments, being residential, business, enterprise and government and wholesale. For each segment, Aussie has a dedicated strategy, products and proposition underpinned by our exceptional customer experience, industry-leading technology, owned infrastructure and software platforms. Turning to Slide 6. We continue to scale our business while expanding our product offerings and diversifying earnings. Firstly, we're creating scale through the delivery of a high-speed network, communication services and exceptional customer experience. Secondly, we're leveraging our acquired capability in voice, cloud and security to grow greater market share in the nonresidential segments. And finally, we're continuing to selectively invest in fiber infrastructure and technology that generates high returns while enabling scalability and additional cost efficiencies. I'll now hand over to Brian to talk through our financial and operational highlights.

Brian Maher

executive
#3

Thanks, Phil. On Slide 8, you can see that we've continued to grow across all key metrics, noting that the prior year comparisons we used here were calculated by aggregating the first half results of FY '22 of ABB and Over the Wire. And as such, the comparisons on a like-for-like basis removes the inorganic growth benefits arising from the acquisition. And on that basis, revenue is up 27% to $379 million. EBITDA grew impressively by 86% to $41 million. It's also worth noting on a statutory reporting basis the EBITDA for the half exceeding the full year results for FY '22. Gross margin increased by 2.5 percentage points to 34.9%. And operating cash flow was up 35% to almost $31 million. Moving to Slide 9. Our operational highlights show that the number of broadband connections increased by 27% to over 635,000. Importantly, our share of nbn services has grown to just above 7%, showing we continue to win market share with our offerings despite a slowing nbn connection market. Our integration of Over the Wire is progressing well, delivering $6 million in annualized synergies. And we're on track to achieve $8 million to $12 million of synergies annually by FY '25. We expect the synergy benefits experienced in the FY '23 full year to be $5.3 million. With our 1,100 team members, our one team approach of delivering exceptional customer experience across all segments continues to delight our customers. Turning now to Slide 10, you can see how we are evolving into a communications and technology business and making a positive shift from primarily residential nbn to higher-margin segments. This is demonstrated here by the darker green segments of the pie charts. The nonresidential segments contribute only 36% of the group revenue or 45% of the gross margin, and we look forward to increasing that further. Having said that, our residential business remains the [indiscernible]. And we continue to proactively manage its growth strategy, focused principally on broadband and mobile, while diversifying products, revenues and earnings across the other 3 segments. In Slide 11, we outline the key revenue drivers in the first half. On a pro forma basis, FY '22's first half revenue was almost $300 million. Residential had just under $50 million in revenue, against the corresponding period. And the other segments contributed an incremental $31 million, against the same period, predominately through wholesale. In total, an additional 27% of revenue is generated over the prior corresponding period. In Slide 12, we show the key EBITDA drivers for the half as we continued to scale and shift our mix across the segments. On a pro forma basis, FY '22's first half EBITDA was $22 million. Our investment in infrastructure delivered the bulk of $9 million in network savings in the half. Additional $18 million of revenue delivered another $10 million of EBITDA. Acquisition synergies of $2.2 million were experienced in the half, while some of these gains made were in part offset by wage inflation, as we called out at the full year. On Slide 13, looking at CapEx. We provided an indicative CapEx profile at the Investor Day, and Slide 13 provides an update on actual spend for the half being $31.2 million. And indicatively, we expect a full year spend of $55 million. In FY '22, CapEx was dominated by fiber backbone, whereas in FY '23 CapEx has been focused on growth. Recurring CapEx remains modest, largely relating to replacement and upgrades and software, while growth CapEx of $17.5 million related to customer fiber builds, short-term growth related to connection numbers and longer-term investments to provide the base for our future growth. We have a disciplined approach to investing in infrastructure for longer-term growth and are continuing this approach to maximize the benefits to our customers and shareholder returns. Moving on to Slide 14. Operating cash flow continued to grow, with $30.8 million generated in the first half, which represents an EBITDA conversion rate of approximately 75%, a little lower than prior period's principally due to timing of payments and receipts around Christmas. In the half, investing activities were mostly related to growth and fiber CapEx. I'd also like to note the tax payments of $1.4 million are largely recoverable, being payable under the ATO's installment regime. Our installment rate was recently reduced to 0% of revenue. As we head into the second half, disciplined cash management will remain a key focus. I'll now hand over to Phil to take you through our 4 operating segments in more detail.

Phillip Britt

executive
#4

Thanks, Brian. And turning to Slide 16. In residential, we continue to grow broadband connections and take market share in a slowing nbn connection market. Revenue increased 26% to $243 million, driven by growing connections and a larger share of high-speed plans. We achieved net additions of just over 30,000 services in the first half, which was an excellent result. At the same time, gross margin continued to grow, up 5 percentage points, as the mix of higher-margin customers continued to grow; and as we achieved the scale benefits of the Aussie fiber network, which now underpins our broadband platform. Our customers continued to positively rate us through public feedback and via our voice-of-customer surveys. This remains a key focus as we continue to invest and transform our customer experience. As a result, customer churns remained low at circa 1.2%. Turning to Slide 17 and the business segment. We continue to grow connections and revenues through a broader product offering even in an environment where customers on legacy contracts are renewing and moving to lower-cost nbn solutions, which impacts gross margin. Revenue grew 7% to $50 million, driven by connection growth, both organic and through the Over the Wire acquisition and through additional product offerings. Looking forward, we have -- now have a revised marketing approach focused on a complete portfolio of solutions to grow the small and medium business segment. Turning to Slide 18. The enterprise and government segment provides high-margin value-added solutions with longer-term contracts. Recurring revenue was up 5% to $31.5 million. Nonrecurring revenue was down $1.7 million. As you can see, the revenue base in this segment is modest, but we believe there is a significant upside here as we begin to scale. Broadband and data is the entry product for the segment, which allows us to add higher-margin products like cloud, voice, security and managed services once trust is built with the customer. Broadband accounts for only 35% of the revenue in this segment, with the majority of revenue and margin coming from higher-value services like cloud and voice. If we look at Slide 19 and the wholesale segment. This segment is made up of white label and wholesale voice, resellers and the building block solutions used by our managed service provider partners through our Carbon platform. These services include things like nbn Enterprise Ethernet, Aussie fiber and our NetSIP voice platform. The segment grew, with broadband connections increasing by 147% to over 85,000 services. Revenue grew 129% to $49.4 million, and gross margin more than doubled in the half compared to first half of FY '22. Gross margin percentage moved, reflected a change in product mix. We continued to invest to improve our partnering customer experience in the segment. And the segment is diversified now across a range of customers. Aussie fiber and looking at Slide 20. The growth of our Aussie fiber network has accelerated in the first half. And I'm now pleased to announce that 100% of the core network is now completed, with over 288 buildings connected. A further 73 buildings are currently being [ provisioned ]. And we now have access to over 1,400 nearby buildings that are now within one kilometer of the Aussie network. This is an increase of over 320% on the prior corresponding period. The next phase of the Aussie fiber journey is to migrate over 1,000 enterprise services currently on Aussie -- on other carriers on to the Aussie fiber network. The migration test project is nearly complete, and we plan to commence migrating services at scale in mid-FY '23. Turning to Slide 21. As Brian mentioned earlier, integration of Over the Wire is progressing well and is expected to deliver $5.3 million of synergies in FY '23. This equates to $6 million annualized. We remain on track to deliver our guidance of $8 million to $12 million in synergies by FY '25, gained from efficiencies in our infrastructure and technology. The next phase of synergy realization requires the consolidation of the Over the Wire network into the Aussie network, and this work is planned for FY '24. We don't expect any further synergy realization in FY '23. In addition, we've divested 2 noncore businesses, generating $6.5 million in gross proceeds. In summing up, look. Aussie has had an awesome first half. And we're very, very proud of the performance of the company today. We've delivered strong financial performance with growth across all the key metrics. The Over the Wire acquisition is now embedded into the broader Aussie group and, as we've talked about, delivering $6 million of synergies on a run rate basis and on track to deliver our previous synergy guidance into FY '23. Our investment for future growth continues to be disciplined across infrastructure and customer growth. This has always been the focus of Aussie. And we're continuing to grow in every way we can through a range of different products and services. We now have a diverse product portfolio, with a shift in revenue and earnings mix toward higher-margin products and services that fully support a sustainable growth. And most importantly, our financial performance is on track. Whilst we've revised revenue guidance to be $780 million to $800 million, we're pleased to advise we're upgrading EBITDA guidance to be $85 million to $90 million based on effective CVC management, disciplined staff growth and strong gross margin performance driven by operating leverage now flowing from the scale of our owned infrastructure. That finishes today's formal proceedings. Brian and I will be more than happy to take any questions you might have.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Jonathon Higgins with Shaw and Partners.

Jonathon Higgins

analyst
#6

Congratulations, Phil and Brian. Good set of results. Just a couple for me. Just firstly, just on the nbn, a big part of your business. They flagged on Friday that -- or sorry. The ACCC flagged via the nbn on Friday that there's potentially a new sort of pricing proposal on the table and that they'd look to -- I think their words would be, "to legislate it ASAP." Can you talk us through what's happening and how that may benefit or affect you guys?

Phillip Britt

executive
#7

Yes. Look. The currently -- thanks for your questions. So no -- I mean the currently proposed nbn SAU, in its current form, is very positive for Aussie because it skews towards the high-speed tiers. What a lot of the discussion has been to date is more around the 50/20 plans specifically and some of the lower-speed tiers. And there's been a lot of pushback from the larger telcos around improving the price metrics in those lower-speed tiers, and the ACCC seems to be supportive of that. So what -- the ACCC can't do a conditional approval. They can only either accept or reject. And so what they've effectively come out and done is said to nbn, "Hey. If you come back to us with a new proposal that addresses these issues, we promise to turn it around quickly and then try and keep things on track for the 1 July implementation." Effectively, nbn said, "If this is all approved and signed off by the end of March, then I'll commit to having it come in on 1 July," so -- and I see these as a real positive for Aussie. It's not going to get any worse than the current proposal. Anything that comes on the table now is better. And it's really put the message out there that everyone from at least the regulatory sense is on track to get this implemented from the start of July, which means that we'll start to see the benefits flow through in FY '24 for Aussie and other ISPs.

Jonathon Higgins

analyst
#8

Excellent. Just secondly, just on the guidance, I don't know who's best to sort of knock this one off, but margins have been good in the first half. You're up sort of plus 50 basis points in the half. You've got a few things coming through some -- from some extra savings on the fiber. You've also got the Over the Wire synergies plus sort of broad business growth, so can you just talk us through just what is happening on the margins and just bridge it out a little bit in the second half?

Brian Maher

executive
#9

Yes. Look. You're just interested in a guide, Jon. [indiscernible], [ is it ]?

Phillip Britt

executive
#10

Yes. Look. We are getting really good leverage on basically the benefit of our Aussie fiber network now rolling through. That skew towards the high-speed tiers also helps us in that space. And CVC has remained within sort of our tolerances or probably a little bit better than that, which has helped us as well on the margin front. So there's not a -- not one particular thing you can point to, but ultimately our margin, EBITDA margin, for the first half was around that 10.8 percentage. And if you look at where we're guiding to, you can see that "growing a little bit further" sort of thing. So we obviously get the full effects of the Aussie fiber network flow through into the second half, which helps as well, so it's a combination of those factors which give us confidence in upgrading that EBITDA.

Jonathon Higgins

analyst
#11

Last one for me, guys, and I'll just join the queue again, but just can you give us an idea on how sort of connections in the broadband market is going through this current half?

Phillip Britt

executive
#12

Yes. Look. Connections for this half are still chugging along really well. We're seeing consistent sales numbers. Also January was a great month. February has been running on track as well, so connections are running really good. We're seeing good connections coming through from -- in the partner space, through white label and our MSP partners. So we're not seeing any slowdown in connections or anything like that in this -- as we head into the second half.

Operator

operator
#13

The next question comes from John Campbell with Jefferies.

John Campbell

analyst
#14

Just -- so just a couple of questions. Just can you explain -- you talked a bit about margin, obviously, for H2, but can you just explain -- and apologies if I missed it, but can you just explain the downgrading of revenue for FY '23?

Phillip Britt

executive
#15

Look. The revenue change in -- for the full year is we haven't quite hit the growth in mobiles that we perhaps would have liked, and that was a main part of that. And effectively the -- yes, that's really the main part. [ Origin is ] the other part. They were a bit slow at the start. And so that's sort of now coming through in the second half, but obviously we don't get the benefit of that coming forward. So the -- they're really the 2 reasons around the revenue side of things. And the normal people's mindsets would be, "Well, that's obviously going to affect your EBITDA," but because we're getting an improvement in margin on the way through, that's why EBITDA is up and revenue is slightly down.

John Campbell

analyst
#16

And just further, just on the connections again, connections for the second half. Obviously you've consummated the merger with OTW relatively recently, but you're now approaching the market as one team, one brand. And the new operating model and expanded team are well in place, so I guess the general feeling is there's a huge opportunity for you guys in business. And I mean you obviously say enterprise as well but particularly SME and mid markets. Today, we -- or for reasons I just said, we haven't seen the growth yet, but can we really start to expect that the business [ segment's ] growth will start to accelerate? You'll start to see evidence of that picking up in H2 and then more in FY '24.

Phillip Britt

executive
#17

I'd probably counteract that we have seen growth in the business segment, albeit not as strong as there is, say, in the residential segment. And where we're putting all of our focus at the moment is predominantly into that E&G segment and the sort of the top end of what we call the business segment market. And ultimately we've rebuilt the entire business sales team within that -- those 2 areas. We've rebuilt the marketing function as well that goes into that. So a lot of what we acquired with Over the Wire was very much sort of an -- a business that grew through inorganic growth, although it was the complete opposite of that of being a business that grows organically typically. And so we've put all of our learnings into that and rebuilding the team. The actual business development team now that underpins the enterprise and government space is significantly larger than what it was before. And ultimately those deal flows come through our pipeline in the E&G space as well. It is growing significantly. And ultimately that pipeline takes a little bit of time to convert. And then once a deal closes, it also takes a bit longer to provision because those deals tend to be not normal nbn sort of sales like they used to. They're the more complex products and so they take a little time to bring the revenue on, but essentially for business and E&G, the last 6 months was all about foundation building and shoring things up around that team. Now that that's done, they're well and surely up and running. And the pipeline and the names that we're talking to now, very large airlines, other bank-type groups, things like that, very encouraging as to what we're seeing in that area.

John Campbell

analyst
#18

Okay. And you've -- I mean in that pipeline is you talk about banks, et cetera. Are there any sized customers that you're sort of at this stage precluded from really talking to with credibility? Or do you feel that the entire E&G space is potentially open to you?

Phillip Britt

executive
#19

Look. Clearly we have access. The levels of customers we are dealing with are in some of the leads we gather in, call it, the ASX top 20 sort of thing, so I don't think there's anyone that we're precluded from dealing with at the moment.

John Campbell

analyst
#20

Okay. Just quickly, last question from me. Just in terms of the sort of competitor activity that we've seen over the last 6 months to a year maybe in terms of new entrants in resi broadband and arguably more aggressive discounting and plans, are you seeing any signs of abatement or stabilization in terms of competitor activity?

Phillip Britt

executive
#21

The first quarter was busy, as we've talked about on previous calls, in terms of competitor activity, but the second quarter was quite subdued. And we've seen that flow into this financial year as well. I think there's a lot of pressure going on at that low-price-point end of the market, but in the area that Aussie typically plays in, we're not seeing that pressure as much, so we're quite comfortable that we're continuing to add the same sort of net adds that we've done for the last sort of 6, 7 quarters in those spaces. And so we're pretty comfortable with that.

Operator

operator
#22

The next question comes from Ian Munro with Ord Minnett.

Ian Munro

analyst
#23

Just looking at the enterprise segment and your comments around you build for scale, just in terms of customers won during the first half, can you give us a sense of whether there's much contribution from incremental new customers in the numbers? And then secondly, how does the CapEx profile -- you've highlighted some extensive spending into growth and fiber. How does that tie in with the E&G strategy? And what's a reasonable time frame to expect to see some runs on the board there?

Phillip Britt

executive
#24

Yes. So in that first half, we haven't seen many of the new wins contribute revenue, in that first half. There's definitely been some great deals signed in that, but they were signed fairly late in the half, so they haven't finished provisioning yet. In terms of the how that plays into the Aussie fiber spend, I guess there's 2 categories in that. And that's the new customer spend or new customer wins, and so people coming on that don't have any fiber-like services with us today is sort of one category. And then the other category is the migration of existing enterprise-type services of other carriers and on to the Aussie fiber network. So that's where our spend will be over the next period. And the both of them -- well, the first one is definitely demand-driven. We need to obviously have the customers to generate and -- the build and thus incur the spend, whereas the other one is more a we're looking at, as we talked about at the Investor Day, the clusters and so on of the customers that we have that we can migrate. And we work through those on a case-by-case and a business return type basis. So we're halfway through building our first pilot, which includes 20 businesses in the [ Preston CBD ] area. And that's giving us all of the learnings from not only a cost perspective but how we interact with customers. And the really pleasing part about that piece was that -- all of those customers we ended up going through and re-contracting on to Aussie fiber. And what those conversations did was open up further conversations around our other products. And we actually ended up selling them more products as part of the migration, so that was -- this is an opportunity for us to touch and talk to our customers again and basically further deepen what we're able to do for them and obviously improve for them. So E&G, we see very much as it's at the very starting line here. We're just basically at the start of the race on that one and it will build and grow over time. It's not a quick wins type area like what residential is. It's a slow and steady burn that then, once the snowball starts to move, really takes off, so I'm really bullish on the E&G opportunity.

Ian Munro

analyst
#25

And just, I mean, I'm thinking about the broader business. And indeed at the segment level we saw an increase in the operating costs sort of 6, 9 months ago to facilitate some of this growth. And sort of where are you at as a business now in terms of -- are we looking at more like OpEx-to-revenue type ratios? Is there another step change coming in operating costs to support this growth? Just a bit of clarity would be great.

Phillip Britt

executive
#26

Yes. Look. We're sort of guiding to, this next budgeting year, on the basis that we're going to try and hold our key head count fairly steady. We believe we've done a lot of our big staff uplifts that we needed to do in that space and we think we can get some leverage out of that area. There's obviously staff that directly relate to as you grow your customers. You need to have those staff, like in our customer service teams, but for a lot of our areas now, we believe that we've done the ramp-up that we need to do. And we want to see the returns start -- basically start to grow from that investment. And then if there's opportunities to go further, we will, but it's sort of like, "Okay, we think we're at about the right point now. Let's get the growth from that." If we can get more growth from it, we'll go after it, and -- but let's see the returns from that first.

Operator

operator
#27

The next question comes from Lachlan Brown with Crédit Suisse.

Lachlan Brown

analyst
#28

I'd like to now ask another question on the margins. If I take the midpoint of the guidance range, it broadly suggests that your EBITDA margin should grow to about 11.3% in the second half. Should we view this margin as a base going forward? Or is there seasonality that we should take into account?

Brian Maher

executive
#29

There's no particular seasonalities in that. I think there's an opportunity to expand margins over time with some investments, but -- yes. I think that the improved margin is coming from those investments we've already made and how we continue with innovations program. It's a scalable network now, so a lot of our volume is out of -- comes with very little incremental network costs. So we do see some strength for that to grow a little bit further. We're obviously not going to put numbers on that. We're starting to just going into our planning cycle for next year, but to specifically answer that question, you can take that as a base, yes.

Lachlan Brown

analyst
#30

That's very clear. And just on the 25,000 broadband connections that were added in the second quarter, can you just provide any color on the drivers of that number? I'm just trying to sort of understand if there was much benefit that there was from competitive price increases that flow through or even coming off this data breach.

Phillip Britt

executive
#31

There was a modest increase in mobile subs from the Optus data breach. Like we saw sort of an influx for about 10 days post all of the news, headlines and so on; and then it pretty much died off again after that. We don't believe there was really much broadband flow from the data breach piece. And the price rises, like even still when you compare our pricing to the likes of Telstra and some of the other more expensive players in the market, we're still pretty much at that top end of that pricing. So most of their price rises have flowed through now, but -- and we're not seeing any change in our gross adds and things like that. So we take that, but it's we've continued to do this, quarter after quarter, around the growth. And it doesn't seem to matter too much what gets thrown at us, but we continue to achieve those numbers.

Lachlan Brown

analyst
#32

And just my last question, on the enterprise and government segment 5% recurring revenue growth. Can you just talk about what products within that are driving that growth? And maybe oppositely, are you seeing any challenges from our competitive environment, particularly in broadband and data?

Phillip Britt

executive
#33

The initial growth in that, look. I don't have the specific breakdowns, but my gut feel is that it's probably in the data segment. As I sort of said in my opening remarks, data is really the entrée into the rest of the products. And typically what we've seen, particularly even with one canceled deal -- we did the deal on data. We hadn't even finished provisioning the data deal and they're now already talking to us about cloud and security, so yes. But that better growth in that, I think, is in the data space. And obviously that is a positive, just from the entrée into the rest of the products.

Operator

operator
#34

The next question comes from Mark Devcich with Discovery Funds.

Mark Devcich

analyst
#35

Congratulations on the results. Just 2 questions. Firstly, the Zintel, Fonebox, sale. I think, when Over the Wire had that business, it was doing about $15 million in revenue. I'm just wondering. Has that come out of the revenue guidance given you're selling it?

Brian Maher

executive
#36

Yes. I don't -- I think, by the time it's sold, it's only a quarter of revenue that we'll lose, but yes, our guidance is taking it into account.

Phillip Britt

executive
#37

The other part of that is that it's not the full Fonebox is into our mix. It's -- so it's only one particular component of it, so if I were disclosing total revenues before, it's not the full revenue stream that's going.

Brian Maher

executive
#38

I mean we've talked about the wholesale agreement, which is also some revenue [ coming back the other line ].

Phillip Britt

executive
#39

Correct, so MaxoTel, who is buying the business, yes, is going to have core revenue [ to lose ] as well.

Mark Devcich

analyst
#40

I got it, okay. And then second question, just on the price rises that some of your competitors have been doing. Is that something, I guess, you're thinking about in the second half given cost pressures across the industry? Or are you kind of willing to hold the line on price and then take more share?

Phillip Britt

executive
#41

Look. Our position has been basically to wait and see where the nbn SAU [ filing winds ]. I think we're going to see that in the next month, all going well, and then we will basically go from there. And we believe there is the ability to change -- if the SAU flowed through as it currently stands today, then we would absolutely be seeing price rises in the 50, 20 and below tiers. The 120 and above tiers would be quite fine. So it all comes down to now really whether they do anything in the 50/20 space. And our theory has always been basically move with certainty so that we don't create an unnecessary churn event if by chance that they do move on the 50 price tier, which is now looking like it might be possible.

Mark Devcich

analyst
#42

All right. Are you expecting changes on 50 and 20 or just 50?

Phillip Britt

executive
#43

We are expecting that the change will be on the 50/20 tier, so it's probably confusing. My mistake. So there's the 25/5 tier. And I think that would probably stay, what they've proposed, but I think that the main changes will be on the 50/20 tier, yes.

Operator

operator
#44

Actually there are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. Britt for closing remarks.

Phillip Britt

executive
#45

No worries. Thanks very much, everyone, for participating today. And we're really, really pleased with these results. I think the key message here is that our wheelhouse of resi and wholesale is running strong. And we've refactored the business and enterprise segments now and getting them ready for growth as well. So I look forward to catching up with you again, and hopefully, we'll have some excellent results in that business and E&G space to then match what we've done in the resi and wholesale segments. So thanks again, everyone.

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