Bezeq The Israel Telecommunication Corp. Ltd (BEZQ) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 22, 2024

Tel Aviv Stock Exchange IL Communication Services Diversified Telecommunication Services earnings 50 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#1

Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us on Bezeq's 2024 First Quarter Earnings Call. I'm Tobi Fischbein, CFO of the Bezeq Group. Joining us from the senior management team, we have Mr. Tomer Raved, Bezeq's Chairman; Mr. Nir David Bezeq's new Fixed-Line CEO. Welcome here. Ilan Sigal, CEO of CEO, Pelephone and yes. And before we start, I would like to direct your attention to the safe harbor statement on Slide 2 of our 2024 investor presentation, which also applies to any statement made during today's call. We would like to inform you that this event is being recorded. After presenting our quarterly results, we will have a Q&A session. With that said, let me now turn the call over to Tomer for his opening remarks. After his introduction, I will continue the presentation of our Group financial highlights, followed by Nir, who will discuss basic fixed line results; and Ilan, who will cover the results from Pelephone and yes. Tomer?

Tomer Raved

executive
#2

Hey, guys, thanks for joining and great to see familiar faces. We continue to see strong execution in strategic growth across all our drivers with 80% year-over-year growth in our fiber subscribers and 30% growth in 5G subs. We actually also saw a 6% growth in our broadband ARPU, which is very consistent with our expectations. Our core revenue grew 2.1% to NIS 2 billion, driven mostly by higher revenues in the Fixed-Line business and also in Pelephone despite the war. The war did impact in a non-material way our results, mostly coming from areas of roaming and the areas of conflict where we don't charge. The core revenue represented 90% of total Group revenues in Q1. This is the new term we are using, and this excludes revenues from interconnect feeder telephone, the legacy ISP business at Bezeq International and the legacy and discontinued telephony. These are the second financial statement that we are publishing during the war, which as mentioned, does not have a material impact on the Group. We did see a slight decrease in EBITDA, mainly due to the reasons I mentioned, both from roaming and the non-billing customers at the line of conflict. Notwithstanding that, the quarterly results met our expectations. On the following slide, we see the highlights of the quarter. I want to point out the strong free cash flow growth, which grew by almost 36% year-over-year and a significant decrease of net debt by 11%, which led to 2 rating agencies upgrading our credit rating to AA. The next slide shows our KPIs. You can see the business -- the Bezeq Fixed-Line business actually grew by 70,000 fiber net adds in Q1 alone, showing improvement from the previous quarter and the business sector already coming back to market following the volatile Q4 with the conflict. The retail broadband ARPU is growing nicely, increasing to NIS 127. And on the mobile side, we continue to see growth in 5G subs plan, reaching over 1.1 million subscribers as of today or actually 43% of total service on our track to reach our target of 80%. Moving to Slide 6, which really demonstrates the slide you are familiar with, it's our road map and our main thesis and compass. It shows the evolution of all our businesses and the road map for the midterm. We are on target to reach the completion of our fiber rollout next year, currently with 30% take-up on our path to the target of 40% take-up. And we're probably going to reach beyond the 2.5 million households we targeted for the year and we complete the fiber rollout by end of next year even before. Even at this time, Bezeq is currently and continue to be island of stability despite all the major local and global events. We talked about a lot about the past four years with COVID, macro aspects, Russia, Ukraine and especially the local conflict now in Israel. We continue to deliver strong results, consistent results, and as I mentioned, island of stability for the country and for our investors. Our execution on our strategy continues to be successful, and we will remain focused on both revenue growth and profitability growth and free cash flow. Turning the call back to Tobi. Thank you to discuss the financial statements in more detail.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#3

Thank you, Tomer. Slide 7 shows a 2.3% decline in reported revenues for the first quarter of 2024, mainly as a result of the second tranche of the Ministry of Communications telephony reform as of July 2023 and the decrease in telephone interconnect revenues and other regulatory reform as of June 2023. The adjusted EBITDA was slightly lower by 2% and the adjusted net profit decreased 6.9% in the first quarter of the year. The growth of 36% in free cash flow stems primarily from timing differences in working capital and CapEx. In the next slide, we show our operational metrics. I would like to highlight the 6% increase in our retail growth and ARPU in the quarter, along with the continued increase in cellular and 5G subscribers. On Slide 9, we see an 11% decrease in our net debt to NIS 4.7 billion, the lowest debt level since 2010, which has resulted in improved coverage ratios and our net debt-to-EBITDA ratio decreased further from 1.6x to 1.4x. Both domestic credit rating agencies recently upgraded our credit rating to AA with stable outlook. This is a major achievement, especially amidst a challenging macro background, further reflecting Bezeq's resilience. We also continue to pay dividends and recently upgraded our payout ratio to 70%, which shows careful management of our capital structure. Turning to the next slide. For the full year 2024, we reiterate our full year guidance given last quarter. I will now turn the call over to Nir, who will share more detailed results from our Fixed-Line operations. Nir?

Nir David

executive
#4

Thank you, Tobi. I'm proud to present the fixed line reports for the first time as the CEO. It is a great honor to be leading Bezeq in this exciting time. And I'm sure that we will continue to grow and strengthen our position as the leader of the telecom market in Israel. On the next slide, we note that 2% growth in Fixed-Line core revenues due to higher revenues from broadband services, transmissions and data communications. Fiber take-up continued to grow in both retail and also subscribers and broadband retail ARPU grew 5.8% to NIS 127. We also recently signed an agreement to enter the electricity supply sector. We expect to launch this service very soon. On the following slide, we show an increase of 1.6% adjusted net profit due to the decrease in the financing expenses. We also saw a 58% increase in free cash flow, mainly due to timing difference in working capital. Turning to the next slide. In the first quarter of 2024, we saw again significant growth in both in broadband revenues, driven by increase in fiber take-ups, which also resulted in continued growth in broadband retail ARPU. Moving to the next slide, we show the take-up trends. Q1 saw 40,000 retail net adds, up 8,000 from the last quarter. As today, we have a total retail fiber take-up of 424,000. I would like to note that fiber subscriber recently present 40% of total return subscribers and saw a wholesale take-up increase of 117% on a year-over-year base. Slide 15 shows continued fiber deployment with an increased focus on take-up. As of this quarter, we have known more than 650,000 active subscribers on Bezeq fiber networks and over 2.2 million homes passed resulting in the continued growth of our take-up rate, reaching approximately 20% today. The next slide show continued revenue growth in the first quarter of 2024 in transmission and data communication offset by a decrease in traffic revenues from ISP companies. Cloud and digital revenues were stable in the quarter, but telephony revenue declined due to the second decrease in MOC traffic -- tariffs, sorry. That said, telephony revenues were only 30% of total fixed line revenues in Q1 2024. The operating expenses slide shows a decrease in salaries due to the credit received from the national insurance of employees on military reserve duty. There was also a onetime grant in the previous quarter following the public sector wage agreement. Operating expenses were positively impacted by lower materials and subcontractor expenses and lower interconnected fees. In summary, Fixed-Line operations saw solid results with a continued increase in the company's growth drivers, both residential, broadband and business sector. With that, I will turn the call to Ilan to discuss Pelephone and yes.

Ilan Sigal

executive
#5

Thank you, Nir, and good luck. Moving to Slide 18. Pelephone posted stable service revenues despite the impact of the war on roaming revenues, driven by higher 5G subscriber plans and postpaid subscribers. This is our third consecutive quarter with an increase in equipment revenues. Adjusted EBITDA rose 1.6% to NIS 185 million. Moving to the next slide. Here, we show 5G subscriber plans reached over 1.1 million subscribers today. Subscribers on 5G plans amounted to 43% of total subscribers and 50% of postpaid subscribers. On Slide 20, we recorded a 1.6% increase in adjusted EBITDA, following the rise in revenues from 5G subscriber plans and postpaid subscriber growth. The decrease in adjusted net profit reflects the decline in roaming revenues and a lower interest income from Bezeq. The next slide shows the Q1 key operating metrics. We saw a continuing increase in postpaid subscribers, including 5G subscribers plans and decline in prepaid subscribers due to the impact of the war. ARPU rose NIS 1 compared to the previous quarter despite the impact of the war on roaming revenues. Turning to yes on the next slide. Revenues decreased 4.3% to NIS 315 million, mainly due to the non-billing of customers in the line of conflict as well as a change in the subscriber mix, moving from premium to discount. Yes is the largest IP operator in Israel with 422,000 customers today. We continue to grow in fiber subscribers and reached 50,000 as of today. In addition, we have approximately 150,000 subscribers with international streaming services through agreements with yes. The Q1 financial highlights slide shows a 4.3% decline in revenues and a lower adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net profit, which were impacted by the revenue decline. Lastly, free cash flow was affected by timing differences in working capital. On the next slide, we show yes Q1 key operational metrics. We saw continued growth in IP-based TV subscribers, up 18.4%. As of today, 75% of the subscribers were watching TV through IP. We also saw continued growth in fiber subscribers, up 230% sequentially. With that, let me now turn the call back to Tobi.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#6

Thanks, Ilan. Moving on to Bezeq International. We saw a general trend of increased ICT activity, offsetting most of the decrease in consumer ISP revenues. Our focus continues to be on growth in the ICT market with emphasis on cyber integration, public cloud and data centers. On the next slide, we see that revenues decreased 7.4%, mostly due to lower consumer ISP revenues due to the Ministry of Communications regulatory reform for unified internet service. Free cash flow was positively impacted by the payments for employee retirement in the corresponding quarter. Turning to the last slide, I want to reiterate that we had a strong quarter despite the ongoing war in Israel, and we remain focused on executing our strategy with our key growth drivers, robust fiber take-up in Bezeq and yes, consistent growth in 5G subscriber plans in Pelephone. Our core revenues grew to NIS 2 billion in the quarter, driven by the stronger fixed line revenues. Finally, I would also like to mention that we will be hosting our first ever Capital Markets Day on July 1 here in Israel. We invite the investment community in Israel and abroad to participate. I look forward to seeing you there.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#7

With that, I will open the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] First question from David Kaplan.

David Kaplan

analyst
#8

I am from Psagot, an equity analyst here. I'll start out with a question on the 5G infrastructure and your investments you're making in 5G for now. Are you also moving over some of your competitors talked about to a new core network? And if you are or what kind of 5G investments are you making in 2024? Or are those going to also spill over into 2025? That's the first one for now? That's the first one for now.

Ilan Sigal

executive
#9

David, thank you for your question. First, a month ago, we announced our 5G stand-alone core that we are going to launch in a few weeks. We also showed our capabilities of slicing operation and the new 5G core. So, it will be ready, I believe, in the few weeks. About the CapEx investments, like in previous years, CapEx will stay stable and continue the rollout of 4G and 5G in the next year. So, the CapEx will stay stable in the next years with the 5G stand-alone core.

David Kaplan

analyst
#10

Sorry, you said you're also going to be investing in 4G over the next couple of years?

Ilan Sigal

executive
#11

The 4G is about the new frequencies that we need to deploy, like 700 and that will help customers in 4G and 5G also. So, we're deploying 700 for 4G and 5G, and the frequency of 3,500 for 5G.

David Kaplan

analyst
#12

And then a quick question on the Fixed-Line. Where you are now with your rollout of that fiber network? First of all, when is that project going to be finished? I think it's supposed to be completed in the middle of next year, middle 2025? And secondly, at what point of time -- at what point in time will we see the copper network end of life?

Tomer Raved

executive
#13

I'll take that. Like what I mentioned in the beginning, David, and thanks for your question. So we are currently around 2.1 million households. We continue at the same pace and actually a faster pace of rolling out our fiber across the country. We're going to finish the fiber projects according to our schedule sometime next year as expected, even slightly sooner than expected. But the CapEx around fiber, as previously mentioned, will continue to stay elevated this year and also through next year at slightly lower CapEx but still completing the coverage. This year, we expect to surpass our target that we gave 2.5 million households of fiber. Regarding the copper -- retirement of the copper network, we've seen and you all saw some formal chatter from the regulators around copper retirement, which has a variety of elements. And this is something that will happen over the course of the next few years, both the element of deploying new copper but also retirement of the network. It is a multiyear project, which we did not underwrite in our projections, important to note, yet, but it is -- process that started. It will have both OpEx, positive OpEx implication and CapEx savings in the coming years. And again, we did not underwrite for that.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#14

Next question from Tavy Rosner.

Tavy Rosner

analyst
#15

First question is on telephony. I'm wondering what was the impact of the war on revenues. I think you mentioned in the press release that households that were displaced are not being charged. I'm just wondering to get a sense of what kind of proportion of revenue that accounts for? And I think more generally speaking, down the road, I think once we're pricing the decrease in pricing, where do you see telephony revenues kind of stabilizing? What kind of run rate we should be looking at?

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#16

I'll take that, Tavy. We did not specify the amount of the impact of not bidding those customers of ours, both from Bezeq and yes, in the south of the country near Gaza and in the north of the country, people that have to leave their homes. It's not material. It's not necessarily related to telephony. Some of it is also related to Internet revenues. So, there is an impact, which is, let's say, single digit in millions of shekels in the quarter for Bezeq and for yes. Of course, for yes, it's a big normal representative, but still not meaningful. But that's one of the explanations to the decline in the ARPU of yes. We -- and as for the second question, we have not given specific guidance on where are the telephone revenue is going. But it's going to be reasonable to expect for this to continue coming down. I would say that we still have one more quarter, which is now Q2, where it's a challenging comparison versus Q2 of last year because it was before the second tranche of the tariff reduction. But after that, we will have apples-to-apples comparisons going forward. There are no further tranches. They are on telephony. So we will see some continued erosion until a certain point where we're probably keeping some customers on revenues because people still need fixed line telephony and we'll continue needing it for the long term. But again, it's not an area where we are investing in any specific efforts.

Tavy Rosner

analyst
#17

Second one, we saw last week the Ministry of Communication mentioned potentially examining the removal of structural separation. That's part of their agenda for 2024. And I'm just wondering to get your thoughts. Obviously, everyone here been through a different cycle of discussions throughout the past decade. So, I'm wondering if you see any potential here or it's just noise and something that the MOC feel they have to mention. But practically speaking, is unlikely to happen. I mean any color would be helpful.

Tomer Raved

executive
#18

I'll take that, and we actually also provided an update in Chapter A of our report, which will be published in English very soon. But some history for more than five or six years now, the MOC has not discussed or mentioned anything around removal of structural separation. You all know our position, and we reiterated why we think the time and the terms were set to remove this unnecessary structural separation, specifically between Bezeq and yes. We have been having discussions with various regulators, including the Ministry of Communications for quite some time. And as you noted, that the first time formal notice around that was issued by the MOC, they specifically said that it's part of their work plan for 2024 to evaluate the need for structural operation. Specifically, to your question, Tavy, we cannot put timeline or chances of when and if it's going to happen but we are putting effort and informal dialogue with the regulators, and also as published with the support of both companies, unions and management to try and progress the project. So, I think the only new element and the update we provided also in writing and here on the call is the fact that the MOC did issue a note that includes the fact that it will be evaluated this year.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#19

Thank you, Tavy. Next question from Liran Lublin, I.B.I.

Liran Lublin

analyst
#20

My question is more of a high-level question. The company has been showing remarkable stability and growth in core business. And when I look at the stock performance, there's obviously a risk premium building up. And we're aware of what's been happening, I mean, here in Israel. But do you see any other major risks down the road that we should be aware of? Or how do you look at it?

Tomer Raved

executive
#21

I like high-level question, so that I can take it. First, we don't comment on stock price but we do feel the macro trend on one hand and the impact of the geopolitical arena on Israel economy on one hand. On the other hand, the business is very resilient and most of this impact, as mentioned before, does not impact the results nor the interest that we and the conversation we've been having with you guys and with the global community. To be honest, we're actually getting more demand for these types of interactions face-to-face globally with investors. But the macro definitely impacts the Israeli stock market directly. And as a result, also the Bezeq's stock, again, less comment on price and trends. In terms of risks, we mitigated as you noted, and that you can see a lot of the significant risks that were around the company by adopting and changing the structure and the strategy over the past few years on across all the different lines of businesses. So, there are always risks but there isn't one specific major risk, I can color even the resiliency and given the business trend and given the trajectory growth on the declining CapEx that you know in the end of the fiber project and of satellite project in a very, very healthy balance sheet. It truly prepares us almost for every rainy day. And that allows us to invest flexible, really a lot of operational and initial leverage and continue to increase ARPUs transition to 5G to also lead to stability on 5G and really transition to the IPTV, which eventually will lead that to retire from the satellite. So, the trends and these risks were identified most of them now with Black Swans in this world. But we've proven and we prove -- and I think we proved to the market over the past five years or even more than that, that the business can face most of them and from some of them, they actually benefit. So, we don't see specific risk that could materially impact the business. But we are very transparent regarding also the war impact, even though are not material, they definitely have a slight impact on the results.

Liran Lublin

analyst
#22

And one more question, it's for Ilan. I was wondering if you can give some color on the impact of the announcement of the MOC about the sports events that are no longer obligated to be given to customers for free. Does that have any impact on yes?

Ilan Sigal

executive
#23

Not now. First of all, it will take time. We need to see because it's still just an announcement. But it's a good thing. It's a good trend because customers will -- that don't want sports at all who can have a package without sports and probably will be a different price than packages with sports. So, when it will be separated, first of all, the sports events probably will be on the public channels. And second, it will help customers to decide what kind of package they want with sports or without sports. And in that case, for us -- for yes, also, we will know and everybody will understand what the price of the sports packages that will be the price of it.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#24

Thank you, Liran. Next question from Sabina from Leader.

Sabina Levy

analyst
#25

First of all, congratulations on a good quarter considering all the impacts that you're dealing with. Specifically, I wanted to ask regarding Pelephone results. I think Pelephone was the only company that actually showed an increase in the ARPU quarter-to-quarter, and I was wondering where is it coming from? Is it a trend? Or is it something specific for the quarter?

Ilan Sigal

executive
#26

Sabina, first of all, it's a hard work that we are doing for the previous years and quarters, and it's mainly coming from the subscriber's growth, general growth and the transfer of customers from 4G packages to 5G packages. Also, we see a slide on roaming that people are starting to travel more than they travel in the fourth quarter of 2022 --'23. So with those three things, the ARPU on Q1 is better from Q4.

Sabina Levy

analyst
#27

And another question is regarding the fixed line. Can you please give us some color regarding the infrastructure -- the retail ARPU? It went up from NIS 125 to NIS 127 this quarter. But on the other hand, we saw a more significant decrease in Bezeq International revenue. So, I suppose we have higher regression of ISP clients to Bezeq. And also, I saw a bit weaker data of BE routers growth. So can you just give us some color on the breakdown of the ARPU growth? How much was coming from ISP? How much came from fiber customers? What are the dynamics there? And another question also here, and that will be my last one. Tomer mentioned that you might accelerate or reach the goal of 2.5 million households even earlier than you previously projected. So, I want to ask regarding the potential development of the fund that intensifies the deployment of the fiber networks in the rural areas. So, are you deploying there also? And maybe we can see similar cancellation of the payment that we saw last year? I don't know, the term in English.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#28

Universal fund. Thank you, Sabina. I'll take the first question. We've seen a decent growth in ARPU, as we've seen before. If you remember, we've guided this metric to go over NIS 140 after having guided in the past to go over NIS 130, and we are not far from there. And the main driver for that is the upgrade of subscribers to fiber plus the acquisition of new subscribers, which were non-Bezeq subscribers right on fiber. So economically, that brings us an important contribution, which is more significant than some slides that we may have on the copper side. And you obviously saw that. So that's on the ARPU side. As for the shift from subscribers, ISP subscribers that were at Bezeq International over to Bezeq or elsewhere, that has slowed down naturally. They started, I remind you, in April of 2022, has been two years already. So, a lot of subscribers have already moved away from Bezeq International. Revenues have declined there. But at the same time, we got some of those revenues at Bezeq fixed line plus we were able and we are able to reduce cost significantly at Bezeq International since the consumer segment there is not a strategic area for us to focus on and think that overall for the Group is really a good move. I wouldn't expect a lot of -- any acceleration there going forward. And as for your question on the BE routers and additional Wi-Fi enhancers, I would say that we are really satisfied with the level of penetration that we have with this equipment in the customer household. And we even see that with fiber, the amount of customers having at least one piece of our equipment is even greater, and that provides more stickiness and less churn. I'll let my colleagues comment on the fund.

Tomer Raved

executive
#29

To your question about the fund and about rollout, we decided, not just -- we decided to accelerate fiber rollout, so we will pass 2.5 million households this year as part of the attractive ROI by getting on the rollout on the cost per passing versus the take-up. So we continue to focus our CapEx effort there. And as I mentioned before, the fiber rollout altogether will end sometime next year. We take up currently at 30% guiding to go 40% or more in the midterm. On the universal fund, which obviously has implications to the entire market, we -- similar to last year, that the process that the regulators are doing to evaluate what type of rural areas still remain. Bezeq always evaluate in good faith to help and try, to help that effort and take on more specific areas, if relevant, it's small areas. But similar to last year, sometime in Q3, we hope to understand whether there will be universal fund withdrawal or not by the regulator, which again hopefully, and obviously has an impact on EBITDA -- positive impact on EBITDA and on the market altogether.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#30

I would just add, Sabina, that from a reporting perspective, we are still making a provision every quarter in all the Group companies for the fund, the same we did in Q1 of last year. Then if there is a change, we will, of course, consider it and make the reversal of the provision as we did last year. Next question from Ondrej from UBS.

Ondrej Cabejšek

analyst
#31

Ondrej here from UBS. I had two. One, basically building up on Sabina's question. So -- because you spoke about the ARPUs in the retail market on retail broadband specifically. I'm just wondering because I think it's obvious that in terms of the wholesale ARPU in broadband, that growth is below the retail. So, if you can comment on what you expect in this market this year or in this KPI specifically this year and how you see wholesale ARPU in Broadband developing over the midterm? What considerations are there going into that? And then a second question, which is a bit more higher level. Again, if you can maybe comment a bit on just the fiber build of your competitors. How you expect that to evolve going forward? Because obviously, there's probably a certain point where overbuilding is going to slow down a bit. There might be some new wholesale deals, etc. And then also specifically, just in terms of the fiber upgrade of your cable competitor. How do you expect those to progress? So just a general high-level question on the structure of the infrastructure market in terms of fiber in Israel.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#32

Thank you, Ondrej, for the question. I'll take the first one on ARPU. We don't give specific guidance for the year on ARPU. I said before, answering to Sabina, that we have that midterm ambition of seeing this metric going over NIS 140 and we are on track. It doesn't mean that every quarter necessary, this will grow in the same manner. But the driver for this to grow is there. We are moving -- we have moved 40% of our subscriber base -- retail subscriber base over to fiber already. It means that we still have a long way to go. I mean it's a great accomplishment but we still have a long way to go great potential. And we've seen that through this process, we've grown ARPU significantly. It was three years ago at around NIS 100, now it's at NIS 127. And the -- so again, without specifying what's going to happen in the next two or three quarters, we expect this figure to continue increasing. As for the wholesale ARPU, although we don't disclose this metric, I mean, it's something that you can actually calculate. But I want to remind everyone that we have an IRU deal with Partner, which becomes more and more representative of the revenues on the fiber side of wholesale. We still have other wholesale customers there on fiber, and we still have some of them on copper, which are transitioning gradually their subscriber Bezeq over to fiber, in many cases with us and in some cases, to some other networks. And I think that with that, we can touch on the second question, which deals with the overbuild question, I guess. That you're asking about.

Tomer Raved

executive
#33

One comment on wholesale from the regulatory perspective, what we have seen formally published by the regulator, which is actually very consistent, Ondrej, with what you see in Europe and was also published in Q1. But the European Commissioners, the focus on wholesale rates regulation is being reduced, especially in Israel where there is a fair regulatory and competitive market on wholesale rates and more focused on the passive rates, which we voluntarily reduced and announced in Q1. And currently, the wholesale price, there is no change. Obviously, it continues to be evaluated, but with less focus over time. On the market specifically, I think it became clear of how the market is evolving from an infrastructure and overbuilder perspective. And I'm quoting some of the competitors' remarks but we've seen lower pace of rollout by Partner, who basically nearly completed their rollout of fiber, and it became a very efficient tool infrastructure market with Bezeq leading the way and going to cover the vast majority of the country, except for the rural areas that I've mentioned before, are going to be covered by a universal fund similar to the RDOF or [indiscernible] in the U.S. And then the other infrastructure player, which is also almost a nationwide infrastructure is IBC who also commented they will surpass and planning to surpass the 2 million household mark in the coming year. So we basically have a two infrastructure market, not really like we don't expect and we don't see other all the builders. To your point, do we see an efficient wholesale market, which really came to testimony with the IRU dealer with partner and also the IRU deal that other competitors, the likes of HOT as you mentioned, and Cellcom, on IBC, the other infrastructure, reminding you that both HOT and Cellcom are large shareholders of the other infrastructure IBC.

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#34

Okay. Ondrej, is that okay? Okay. So we have a follow-up from David Kaplan, David.

David Kaplan

analyst
#35

Yes. Just a couple more questions. I'll try and make them quick. Also following up on Ondrej and Sabina's questions about ARPU, but this time on the mobile side. Could you talk a little bit about the resiliency that we're seeing there that Sabina talked about in mobile ARPU? How much of that is coming from upgrades of customers to 5G? Obviously, it seems to have mitigated almost entirely the loss of roaming revenues. Is that the right way to think about it?

Ilan Sigal

executive
#36

Yes, David. We have -- we showed 60,000 of our customers this quarter, which translates from 4G to 5G plans. And also -- we also grew, 11,000 customers grew in all telephone. And so now we have 2.61 million customers. So, the trends are 5G, the transfer from 5G -- 4G sorry to 5G and the growth in Pelephone at all. And also, as I mentioned, the first quarter is better on roaming services than -- revenues than the last quarter of 2023. So those combined, making the ARPU go higher.

David Kaplan

analyst
#37

Right. But given the realities, I imagine, Q2 is going to look a lot more like Q4 did as opposed to Q1. We had a little bit of a lull there or still travel come back, but Q2 is probably going to look pretty weak again. That aside, a question now just on the subscriber numbers for -- on the Fixed-Line side. So, the -- we saw retail subscribers at Bezeq reduced by about 9,000. But you also mentioned in your report that yes had increased almost 9,000 subs. Now I assume it's not exactly one for one there. And I'm also guessing though that copper -- legacy copper customers of Bezeq are kind of low-hanging fruit for all of the players in the market. So how much -- how tough is the competition for those customers to move them over to fiber? What is Bezeq doing in order to mitigate losing those legacy customers to some of the other players? And how long or kind of where do you see that going in terms of benefits that might need to be offered in order to get people to stay with Bezeq?

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#38

I'll start, David. Thank you for the question. I'll start on the fact that we've been extremely focused on fiber and growing our fiber numbers. We became now #1 in the market. I think everyone now sees this in this quarter. And we plan to continue leading the market. From an economic standpoint, the acquisition of new customers, which are the significant share of the customers on our fiber network, again, not the majority, obviously, but more than we expected, brings us much more value than those legacy customers, copper customers that are not churning for any reason over -- shifting over to fiber. Having said that, and Nir mentioned this several times, we plan also to focus on keeping and maintaining our market share on retail. In addition to that, we -- as an infrastructure company, we benefit from the fact that we can work with our competitors. And even when they take some of these customers from our legacy copper network, we still benefit, in some cases, from revenues through the wholesale market. And the same happens also on the fiber wholesale market.

David Kaplan

analyst
#39

Okay. And then just one last question, this one on the financials, on working capital. It was quite strong this quarter. I assume some of that had to do with timing. What do you see -- how does that play out over the rest of the year? And how is that going to impact the free cash flow for the -- for the rest of this year?

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#40

So you're right, you're right. Most of it is timing differences. We got reimbursed from the tax authorities in March last year, we got in April that it's about NIS 70 million to NIS 80 million difference. The increase in free cash flow was even higher than that, which reflects very strong performance across the Group despite the war. But again, I wouldn't just multiply by four the quarterly free cash flow figure, but we are very satisfied with that and our ability to manage our finances in the way that even the rating agencies have appreciated it and upgraded us after five years. That's not a minor thing. Okay, we still have more time for one more question, Liran Lublin.

Liran Lublin

analyst
#41

I'll make it quick. Just another question on fiber rollout. You mentioned that you will probably be ahead of your plans and then roll out the fiber network faster than we projected. How should we think about CapEx in that matter? I mean, should we think of CapEx shifting from 2025 to 2024? I know you haven't changed your estimates for the year but looking forward, rolling out fiber cost money and...

Tobi Fischbein

executive
#42

Yes. Thank you for the question. We are, as you said, advancing our rollout plans, and we see that we are being very efficient in deployment. So, we are able actually to bring forward part of the end of the deployment phase of 2025 into 2024. It's not a significant or a material increase in the home pass that we plan to reach. But as Tomer said before, we will surpass the 2.5 figure. And in terms of CapEx increase, again, it's not going to be material, a couple of doses of millions of shekels. Yes, we will save that money in 2025, plus we will be able to create more opportunities for our customers to shift over to fiber and even to grow our market share in those areas where we plan now to accelerate the deployment. And last of all the motivations, we will be able to start a bit earlier with some of our cost rationalization plans that we have in mind as we get to the end of this very big project. If there are no further questions at this time, I would like to thank you all for taking the time to join us today. Should you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to contact our Investor Relations Department. We look forward to speaking to you at our Capital Markets Day on July 1. Thank you.

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