BILL Holdings, Inc. (BILL) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 24, 2021

New York Stock Exchange US Information Technology Software conference_presentation 31 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Josh Beck

analyst
#1

Good afternoon to everyone in the East Coast, and good, I guess, maybe late morning, where John is in the West Coast. My name is Josh Beck. I'm from KeyBanc Capital Markets, in the equity research division. I cover vertical software and fintech. And we're thrilled to have John join us, the CFO, from Bill.com, to get into a fireside chat. It will last about 30 minutes. If you have questions throughout the presentation, please just enter them in the box below, and I can relay those along to John. So I'll maybe pass it over to you, John, for a quick intro, and then I can dig into Q&A from there.

John Rettig

executive
#2

Sure. Sounds good. Thanks, Josh. It's great to be with you. Looking forward to talking about the Bill.com platform. I know you have a number of questions, but we're excited about the opportunity. We've made a lot of progress in helping SMBs automate their financial operations and lots of growth opportunities in a huge market. So looking forward to chatting about that.

Josh Beck

analyst
#3

Excellent. It's -- the words excitement and back-office don't always run together, but I actually just had another private company presentation, and the back-office for restaurants. And it's an area he was really excited about. He joked that this is something customers love to speak to me about. So it's something that I don't think is terribly well understood, to be honest, versus maybe horizontal software or other areas of vertical software that have received a lot of airplay this year, like collaboration software, commerce software, et cetera.

Josh Beck

analyst
#4

So's maybe let's just start really high level, in terms of within the back-office and your focus market, what are the real problems that your customers face? And what does the tech stack look like for them?

John Rettig

executive
#5

Yes. It's a great place to start. And it's actually one of the reasons way back when, or 6 years ago, that I joined Bill.com is personal experience dealing with the headaches of a small or medium-sized business. And having to put together a patchwork of solutions to help drive efficiency and automation, and only which I had known about Bill.com sooner would have implemented at other companies. But the majority of SMBs still rely on manual processes and paper checks as a primary form of payment. They -- in terms of tech stack, very likely to have an accounting system, some or many of which would be in the cloud, like QuickBooks or Intacct or NetSuite. And the emphasis with these systems is really to capture and record transactions. It's about the accounting life cycle. And then many of these companies will have some payroll capability. And in some cases, that's a system where it's an outsourced professional service provider. Most, though, they really don't have any technology to speak of to automate financial operations, around things like AP and AR, which is where we come in, it's where we're focused today, accounts payable and accounts receivable. And with absent a cloud solution, the typical process is very manual, kind of complex and inefficient from a workflow standpoint. It's about receiving paper invoices, routing them for approval, initiating payments, getting payments approved, reconciling after the fact, and that's where kind of the accounting system comes in as well. So there's lots of opportunities for air, lack of visibility, access to data, for decision-making and things like that. And so it's a -- there's 6 million businesses in the U.S. with employees, and many of them face these same challenges. And that's kind of where a platform like Bill.com comes in to make it easier for businesses to automate those financial processes. And in some cases, we become what we call the digital on-ramp for the financial back-office to really do things differently for the first time, which is, obviously, very relevant in the environment that we're operating in today.

Josh Beck

analyst
#6

Great. I want to follow up on the market size. So you mentioned there's 6 million of these small businesses in the U.S. So that's a very large number. How do you go-to-market and really transition them to customers of Bill.com?

John Rettig

executive
#7

Yes. It's a huge market. We're focused on that 6 million. This is the companies with employees. So there's another 25 million that are sold props, and then there's even gig economy and freelancers above that. And if you look at the market, there's only 20,000 companies out of that 6 million that have more than $100 million in revenue. So by definition, the vast majority of companies are small. And the hardest part is: a, driving awareness and attracting them; and then b, serving them cost effectively and efficiently. And so we have a pretty unique go-to-market strategy that leverages multiple touch points to reach SMBs, starting with going direct digital marketing campaigns and things like that, partnering with accounting firms who are very close advisers to SMBs. And so we work with about 5,000 accounting firms, 80 of the top 100, and we help enable them to not only sell our platform into their clients, but leverage tools in our platform to improve their ability to serve clients as well. And then we work with large financial institutions, who are also trusted advisers of SMBs. And we enable them to white label our platform inside of their business banking environment. There are some other touch points that we have as well inside of accounting software, in some cases. And then we have a large network of 2.5 million members, which is a combination of businesses and individuals who are contractors and things like that. So across all of these different strategies, we feel like we're positioned to help reach SMBs and ultimately, further penetrate the market.

Josh Beck

analyst
#8

Really helpful. You mentioned a little bit about the value prop is really resonating to paraphrase in the current environment. So maybe just walk us back a little bit through the early days of the pandemic, a little under 1 year ago, maybe what some of the initial impacts were? And then just help us think maybe how the customer mindset shifted through the year? And then really where we are as we enter calendar '21?

John Rettig

executive
#9

Yes. I mean, the initial months of the pandemic, I guess, going back to February, March, April of last year, many businesses just hit pause, right? There was -- certainly in the U.S., it was the need to work remotely because of requirements, counties and things like that, was pretty pervasive. And then there's obviously certain industries that were hard hit very early on, principally things like restaurants and catering and brick-and-mortar retail, that they were just completely disrupted. So as -- and we experienced in our business an increase -- a slight increase in customer attrition. Nothing material, but -- and it has to do with our horizontal go-to-market strategy. We kind of serve across all industries, right? We don't have any vertical concentration to speak of. And then we saw lower levels of activity from customers. So lower payment levels, fewer users and things like that. What's interesting, though, is within 1 quarter or 2, we started to see really encouraging signs of increasing activity levels and companies really starting to emerge, even though the pandemic is still ongoing. And so I guess the biggest kind of impact from a pandemic is just that companies, I mean, immediately realized the need to modernize, to do things differently, to have the ability to operate regardless of the environment. And a lot of companies, because we got inbound directly from companies, accounting firms that we work with, heard from their clients and even financial institutions, we had some of our banks reaching out to us asking how we could help their small business customers. So it really drove awareness of the need to do things differently. And that's certainly something that I think is going to help the market mature faster than it, otherwise, would have. I don't think it changes the size of the opportunity, but the rate at which customers are implementing new solutions. You've certainly seen that through our numbers with very strong net new customer adds, and we've even started to see higher retention of customers, a little bit more intent around getting up and running faster and things like that, that is, ultimately, I think, going to be a lasting effect of the pandemic. So good engagement and whatnot. So it's interesting. And then more recently, even though we're still in the middle of this, we started to see pretty good increases in activity -- payment activity, user engagement, leveraging of our platform. And in some metrics, it's really getting back to pre-pandemic levels, so payment volume and things like that. So it could be a sign of businesses just catching up as a result of disruption from the pandemic, or it could be even a better sign that business is starting to -- small businesses are starting to expand actually and invest more in their operations.

Josh Beck

analyst
#10

Okay. That is very helpful, just to provide your vantage point on what's happened in the last year. So one of the standouts to me, which you mentioned, has been the customer net adds? I think there are certain industries where it was just really obvious, e-commerce, telehealth. They just had really big surges in customer adoption. Back-office, I don't think is something that people woke up on whatever day it was in March, and said, "Well, this is time, we really need to modernize and automate our AP and AR." So I'm just curious if you've seen notable changes in where these customers are coming from? You obviously talked about your diverse channel strategy. If it's been something around conversion, awareness? I know there's a multitude of factors. And it's, quite frankly, probably a little tough to discern, but just what do you think has driven some of that underlying strength and customer additions?

John Rettig

executive
#11

Yes. First, I think you're right about different companies had different sorts of problems that they need to focus on immediately. And if you're a restaurant or a health provider or whatever, you've got to find a new way to reach customers, and that is like job one. At the same time, you might have back-office issues and complexities that you can't manage well remotely, but that's secondary. So what we've seen is an increase in now sort of the tailwinds associated with the pandemic as companies have figured out the front part of their business, right? How to maintain operations and reach customers and generate revenue? And now they're trying to figure out how do they actually do business more efficiently with the back-office. And we've seen it across all distribution channels, all customer segments in all industries, really. And it's sort of like if you need to implement a new way of communicating with a prospective customer, there's not a super -- it's not risky to decide whether you're going to use BlueJeans or Zoom or whatever. You can just make that decision. And if you're wrong, you can change it. People move more cautiously when it relates to financial operations and bank accounts and their money. And so it takes time. They're investigating. I think probably the biggest indicator of a higher level of intent that we see, it's just better conversion rates from customers. So prospective customers come into the funnel. They tend to convert at a higher rate. They tend to add more users and complete more transactions a little bit faster than they used to pre-pandemic. And I think that's an indicator to us that companies are now getting back to business and figuring out how they're going to solve some of the back-office complexities that broke, frankly, for most companies during COVID.

Josh Beck

analyst
#12

That makes sense. It seems, as you've said, there was an acceleration of this opportunity, and I think customers are maybe seeing the pain points much more directly, and it may have taken them some time and now they're seeing them and they're acting upon them, it sounds like more quickly, which is certainly a plus. I wanted to shift gears a little bit to some of your growth initiatives. You have a number of them. But mid-market is one that I feel like there's been a little more dialogue around as of late. You've had some new integration announcements with ERP systems like Microsoft Dynamics and Great Plains. So maybe just help us understand how you're thinking about that opportunity in the coming years?

John Rettig

executive
#13

Yes. We've had a lot of success serving businesses of all sizes, but we've seen an increase in demand, inbound interest from larger businesses over the last couple of years. So it's, in effect, we're kind of being hold upmarket by the demand from these larger businesses. And these mid-market companies, just like the small businesses, are able to better automate their financial operations with our platform because it's simpler, it's lower cost than some of the other systems that they have. But we have customers and prospects who use software like NetSuite, Intacct, increasingly, Microsoft Dynamics. And they have needs that are over and above what the smallest of businesses have. So they have a need for more security. They need to do things in bulk, not 1 transaction, but 100 transactions at a time. They need to integrate with other technology like single sign-on systems and things. And so we've, over the last few quarters, started to address some of those needs from the mid-market businesses. And these are all capabilities that, frankly, any company can use. It's just a case that mid-market businesses tend to want those things sooner. And then we've started to do more integrations. We've had a NetSuite and an Intacct integration for a while, and that's a real-time kind of two-way sync. But we've had a number of Microsoft Dynamics customers who use our platform, but they integrate with our accounting system through file import, export, which is inherently less efficient and less real-time than a sync -- a real-time sync. So that's why we've invested in a product integration with Microsoft. I think that opens up another segment of mid-market for us, meeting the demand that we're seeing. But our go-to-market motion to reach those customers hasn't really changed. I mean, we are all about an efficient inside sales operation. It's all virtual. It's over phone. It's over e-mail. It's over video. It's not a feet on the street type operation in any sense. So we have added like an outbound contact or calling capability, which we didn't have because the smallest of businesses those come to us inbound through either partners or marketing or whatever. Some of the mid-market, it's a combination of inbound and outbound. Other than that, our go-to-market motion is the same. We leverage accounting firms, financial institutions who serve mid-market customers, and we reach them directly. So there's no real change in our operational strategies to serve this segment, other than enhancing the product in some ways to help them and then ultimately serving them through an outbound capability.

Josh Beck

analyst
#14

Really helpful. One of the areas you mentioned there was the FI partners. You've now signed agreements with actually 3 of the top 3 banks, many regional banks, including KeyBanc and a number of others. I'm curious, what is the timeline to really get that engine started? When you think about it from the point of view of the banker, they have, obviously, other products they're interested in selling, whether it's a line of credit or working capital, or term loan, et cetera. And this is a bit of another arrow in the quiver. So how do you train them to be productive reps for Bill.com? And where are we in that journey of heavy productive FI partners?

John Rettig

executive
#15

It's a great question. And we've got now many years of experience working with large financial institutions. And we've learned that you're right, our platform is one of many products inside the online business banking environment of our partners. And so to rely on, say, a treasury salesperson to promote our offering, alongside of other things that they have in their tool chest is challenging. We have less control over that, helping drive adoption. So what we've increasingly invested behind is a standardized sort of platform that can be integrated and help the large financial institutions serve their clients more on a self-service basis. So enable their clients, their customers, their small business customers to leverage the platform without the need to go through a sales rep, without the need for training sessions, implementation and onboarding and some of those things, very similar to how we do business in our direct and accounting channels. It's a very light touch. And many customers if they choose, can be up and running and operational the same day they sign up, without ever talking to anyone. That's ultimately the power of the platform. It's ease of use. It's simplicity. Powerful in the back end, but easy to get started. And I think that's how we break through the clutter of treasury salespeople and other bankers who have many products in their portfolio to sell. And we're starting to see success with this. Most of our financial institution partnerships to date have been in the commercial segment of the banks, which is the larger businesses, kind of equivalent to our mid-market. But increasingly, we're starting to serve the small business segment within the banks, which typically resides in the consumer bank as opposed to the commercial bank. And so we're -- that's where having a simple product, it's easy to use, that customers can click a button and start using is much more important.

Josh Beck

analyst
#16

Very helpful. I'm going to shift to a couple of audience questions. This one is, I think, going back to some of your earlier comments about the increased demand as well as the improved conversion. It's asking, what are you doing to reduce implementation times as a result of this increased demand?

John Rettig

executive
#17

Yes, it's a great question. And in the world of technology infrastructure for businesses, particularly back-office, we are at the lower end of the scale in terms of the effort and time it takes to implement. So unlike a big ERP system or other system, we're talking a matter of hours or days to implement, not weeks and months. So it's a low overhead implementation to begin with, but we're constantly investing in making that easier in creating a simpler onboarding experience, removing friction from verifying the identity of people, the validity of bank accounts, making it easy to connect with suppliers. And so the more automation we can do with that, the better. In some cases, though, we also are supporting our customers with very light customer success individuals who will help them onboard faster if they need assistance. It's all virtual. It's all very efficient. But ultimately, we're always looking for ways to increase the ease of implementation for customers because, frankly, the more complex the product is when you're dealing with a small business, the lower the chances that it's going to get successfully adopted.

Josh Beck

analyst
#18

Okay. That's really helpful. A couple of questions here related to virtual cards. One, a little bit about the vantage point of some of the AR and supplier side of the equation and how they think about the economics? And if it is a good, more or less, mechanism for them to be able to accept payment. So that's one question on virtual cards. The other one is -- it seems like a virtual card adoption is low currently versus where you think it can go over time. Why is that so? And what needs to happen to bridge the gap?

John Rettig

executive
#19

Sure. So on the first part of the question, we're focused on suppliers in our network who are already merchants of record, right? So they already accept credit card payments in some part of their business. We're not yet focused on enabling suppliers to become merchants. That's maybe a future opportunity for us. So at some level, the supplier has already made a choice to accept cards. And what we try to do is find what the right payment method is for that supplier. Given the type of transaction they have with our buyer, the dollar amount and so on and so forth, then we'll implement their sort of rules of engagement around virtual card. And if the card payment makes sense, we'll help facilitate that. If it doesn't, maybe there's a different payment method or maybe they have variables like they're good with the cost of acceptance on a virtual card payment, but only up to transactions of $2,500 or 5 -- whatever their parameters are, we can help work with them, and then we'll offer alternatives if that type of payment doesn't make sense. And it goes back to our strategy. Our goal is to drive electronic payment adoption. And we're sort of indifferent as to what type of payment. Yes, virtual card economics are good, but what we're most interested in is driving repeat transactions as opposed to trying to force a certain payment type that maybe it ends up being too expensive for a supplier, and therefore, they don't want to accept payments from -- on the Bill.com platform anymore. So we try to avoid things like that. And it's really up to the supplier. We just want to make sure that we have choices in case one particular payment type isn't right for a supplier and a buyer. On the other question, we're about 18 months in or so, a little bit more than that now since launching our virtual card product. When we built the business case, we were able to match suppliers in our network with data from Mastercard and Visa and others. So we knew that there's a lot of suppliers and potentially billions of dollars of payment flows to those suppliers that could end up on a card. And so we developed a target range of about 5% to 10% based on some match rates and types of transaction and transaction sizes. That's not to say all cards are going to -- all payments are going to end up on a card. And so we're very comfortable with the progress we're making. Our last reported number was a little bit under 1% of TPV on virtual cards. That was as of the June quarter. And we think we're -- we have the opportunity to continue to scale that over the long-term towards our 5% to 10% target. We don't think it's an immediate thing. We don't think it's a hockey stick, we think it takes time. Because at some level, there is -- you have to connect with suppliers, you have to find out what type of payment methods that they want. We try to do that through automation, but, in many cases, there's still human involvement in that process. So it's going to happen gradually over the longer term.

Josh Beck

analyst
#20

Really helpful. This question dovetails a little bit with some of those comments you just mentioned around automation. It's asking around the importance of technologies like AI/ML as well as RPA, and how important those application of technologies like that are in automating AP as well as the payment mechanisms?

John Rettig

executive
#21

Yes, it's super important. We've been investing in AI and Machine Learning for years. Our first application there was actually risk management to help us better understand customers and suppliers and facilitate faster payments, but at the same time, manage our own credit or fraud exposure associated with those payments. We then started to apply that technology to extracting data about transactions between buyers and suppliers on our network. So if an invoice is submitted, and it has a swift number or other data elements, we're able to identify that this is an international supplier. And here's their remittance information, we can automatically serve that up to our buyer in our platform and eliminate all the manual activity associated with having to rekey that information or even figure it out in the case of the complexity associated with international remittance information. Same thing with other document types and remittance information on documents. We're able to extract that and then create automation around it to present it in our platform and automatically trigger approvals, workflow and payments to minimize the amount of human involvement. It creates efficiency for our customers. It lowers their cost. Allows them to scale their business with fewer people and obviously, allows us to serve more customers. So I think it's an important -- there's lots of use cases around AI and ML that we're going to continue to invest in, and it's an important sort of technology in the financial back-office.

Josh Beck

analyst
#22

Excellent. I wanted to ask a question about formulating guidance. You've -- in your life as a public company, you've had to deal with some pretty unusual and volatile macro scenario. So maybe just help us understand how you've tried to factor that in? Maybe the last couple of quarters, how things played out? What's your current mindset given what you're seeing from customers? Just curious on some of those factors.

John Rettig

executive
#23

Yes. I mean, when we went public, we didn't have in our plans that a global pandemic was going to occur our first quarter as a public company. And so there was, I mean, a level of uncertainty following the onset of the pandemic. None of us had seen any of that before. There was no prior patterns to work with. So we were very measured in our assumptions and forecast to account for the unknown as much as we could. And we incorporated this into our forward-looking guidance. And things have evolved throughout the pandemic as disrupted different parts of the country and operations and whatnot. But frankly, in December quarter, we saw an uptick in activity from our customers. I mentioned earlier that, that felt like it was not only a return to normal, but maybe some expansion beyond pent-up demand. And so we felt, even though we're still in the middle of the pandemic, the activity we're seeing from small businesses and the resilience in our customer base led us to believe that maybe the worst is behind us. And whereas before, we had always adopted a methodology that said, things could deteriorate, right? And it's more likely that they will than won't. Now we've kind of shifted our thinking and said, "Well, we think this -- the higher level of activity can persist." And so we've started to assume a healthier customer base and healthier levels of activity going forward, which is inherently a less conservative approach to thinking about the future, then there's still uncertainties ahead, but we're starting to have a little bit more confidence in the numbers. And that's reflected in, as we've talked about, our forward business and what we expect to see financially in the near term, it's kind of a different emphasis than we have before.

Josh Beck

analyst
#24

That's great to hear. You've had a lot of wrenches thrown in the equation. So I think you all have managed incredibly well. So I think we're running up on time. We didn't get all the audience questions in, but we got most of them. So everyone who joined, really thank you for your time. John, I know you're incredibly busy. So we're really appreciative that you've carved out some time to join us today.

John Rettig

executive
#25

Yes. My pleasure. It was good to connect, Josh.

Josh Beck

analyst
#26

Okay. Thanks very much for joining. Cheers.

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