Bit Digital, Inc. (BTBT) Q2 FY2025 Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Hello, and welcome to the Bit Digital Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Good morning, good afternoon and good evening, depending on where you're joining us from. Thank you for being here. [Operator Instructions] Also as a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I'll now hand it over to your host, Cameron Schnier, Head of Investor Relations at Bit Digital. Cameron, the floor is yours.

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to the Bit Digital Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. Joining us on the call today are Sam Tabar, Chief Executive Officer; and Erke Huang, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind all participants that some of the statements we will be making today are forward-looking. These matters involve risks and uncertainties that could cause our results to differ materially from those projected in these statements. I, therefore, refer you to yesterday's 10-Q filing and our other SEC filings. Our comments today may also include non-GAAP financial measures. Additional details and reconciliation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in our 10-K filing, which is on our website. [Operator Instructions] With that covered, I will turn the call over to Sam to discuss our performance. Sam?

Thank you, Cam. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us on the call today. The past few months have been busy for our team to say the least. The word transformation is likely overused in earnings calls, but Bit Digital has truly transformed since the end of the first quarter. In June, we announced our transition to an Ethereum treasury and staking platform. Last week, we completed the IPO of WhiteFiber. Our former wholly owned subsidiary is now a stand-alone AI infrastructure company. These 2 steps reshape our business and our strategy. Our focus going simple -- going forward is simple. We want to build one of the largest institutional as balance sheets in the public markets and generate scalable, staking yield for our shareholders. We aim to do this strategic and prudent capital allocation. Although WhiteFiber is now a stand-alone public company, our ownership and retained rights currently require us to consolidate its results in our financials under U.S. GAAP. The portion we do not own will be shown as a noncontrolling interest. That will remain the case. Unless and until ownership or control falls below the threshold required for consolidation. We believe the WhiteFiber IPO is the best way to unlock value for our shareholders. We have created 2 focused independent platforms. With the WhiteFiber IPO behind us, we are now laser-focused on making Bit Digital, the largest ETH treasury platform and public market. Yes, you could call this a reboot. Bit Digital is now finally in a position to scale as Ethereum treasury and stake in company. WhiteFiber, meanwhile, has the flexibility to pursue its own growth strategy as a stand-alone AI infrastructure company. We believe that this separation gives both companies greater strategic clarity and more disciplined capital allocation. We currently own about 74.3% of WhiteFiber which would drop to around 71.5% if the green shoe is fully exercised. Our shares are subject to a 6-month lockup following the IPO. Over time, we plan to fully unwind our position in a measured and opportunistic way. But we are in no rush. We are extremely excited by the future of WhiteFiber. We believe selling down our ownership prematurely would only hurt shareholder value for BTBT. Our goal is to maximize long-term value for shareholders of both companies. WhiteFiber remains a very valuable asset for our shareholders. But today's call is focused on Bit Digital's core business. We will not be providing forward-looking comments on WhiteFiber. For additional information on WhiteFiber, I encourage you to visit WhiteFiber's website and SEC filings. During the second quarter, we launched our plan to become a dedicated Ethereum holding and yield patient platform. As of the end of June, we held approximately 3,653 ETH. After the quarter closed, we increased that to about 121,000 ETH as of August 11. This was funded in part by our recent equity offerings and by the sale of Bitcoin. Converting our Bitcoin into ETH has been a great trade so far. We earned approximately 166.8 ETH in stake in rewards during the quarter. At quarter end, around 21,568 ETH were actively staked. The annualized effective yield was approximately 3.1%. As of August 11, we had approximately 105,000 ETH stake. This transition represents a structural pivot. Our goal is to build the largest institutional ETH balance sheet in the public markets. We want to generate scalable, staking yield for shareholders. This isn't a trend we're chasing. We've ETH since 2021, and we held it through multiple market cycles earlier than any other ETH treasury company. We started converting our Bitcoin into ETH at a time when miners thought that was sacrilegious. Turns out, it wasn't hearsay. It was foresight. We had conviction in the long-term potential of ETH. That conviction has only grown. We believe the value of ETH is still in the very early innings from an awareness standpoint. Now turning to Bitcoin mining. In June, we announced that we are exploring strategic alternatives for our Bitcoin mining business. We are open to either selling the business or winding it down. Basically, if we don't sell, will run the fleet until units become unprofitable or hosting contracts expire. We will look for mutually beneficial outcomes as we work with our hosting partners. To be very clear, we will not invest in additional mining units. Simply put we believe ETH will deliver better long-term returns than mining. Yes, you heard that right. We produced 68 Bitcoin in the second quarter, down from 83 Bitcoin in Q1. Mining revenue declined to $6.6 million, but gross margin remained positive despite lower production and a weaker half price. As of quarter end, our active hash rate was about 1.2 exahash, reflecting curtailments. Since then, we've deployed 2,130 S21 miners and expect to deploy another 1,445 later this month. As an important note, those units were purchased earlier this year. These newer machines, combined with the gradual retirement of older models are expected to improve fleet efficiency to below 22 joules per terahash as the business winds down. With that overview, I will turn it over to Erke to walk through the financials.

Thank you, Sam. Total revenue for second quarter was $25.7 million. That compares to $29 million in the same quarter last year, and $21 million -- sorry, $25.1 million in the first quarter. Digital asset mining revenue was $6.6 million, down 59% year-over-year. Due to the April 2024 happening, higher network difficulty and a lower active hash rate. Cloud services revenue was $16.6 million, up 33% compared to the prior year quarter. The increase was driven by the commencement of new customer contracts. Colocation services contributed $1.7 million compared to none in the same period last year as the business was launched in late 2024. Ethereum stake in revenue was $0.4 million, down about 2% year-over-year as higher sticking rewards were offset by lower realized Ethereum price during the quarter. Cost of revenue, excluding depreciation, was approximately $13.2 million compared to $15.2 million a year ago and $12.8 million in Q1. Gross profit was approximately $12.5 million for a total gross margin of about 49%, up 80 basis points from the prior year quarter. G&A for the second quarter was $19.7 million compared to $5.5 million during the same quarter last year. Second quarter G&A included approximately $5.5 million in stock-based awards tied to milestone achievements related to our 2024 acquisition of Enovum as well as certain consulting and legal-related expenses, which we expect to be nonrecurring. The stand-alone bit digital cost structure is expected to be significantly less than our consolidated G&A with WhiteFiber. Net income for the quarter was $14.9 million or $0.07 per diluted share versus a net loss of $12 million in the same year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $27.8 million compared to negative $3.8 million a year ago. This includes a $27.2 million gain on digital assets. On the balance sheet, as of June 30, we held $181.2 million in cash and cash equivalents. Total digital assets were $91.2 million consisting of Ethereum and approximately 280 bitcoin. Subsequent to quarter end, we sold our Bitcoin position and use proceeds to acquire Ethereum. Including USDC, total liquidity was approximately $273 million as of June 30. We remain debt-free. During the quarter, the company signed a CAD 60 million credit facility with the Royal Bank of Canada. However, the facility transferred to WhiteFiber following the IPO. CapEx for the quarter was approximately $82 million primarily related to legacy HPC commitments for the WhiteFiber business. including the purchase of North Carolina 1 data center site infrastructure development and GPU procurements. I will now hand the line back to Sam.

Thank you, Erke. The second quarter marked the start of Bit Digital's next chapter as a focused Ethereum treasury and staking company. We believe ETH is the most compelling long-term digital asset. It empowers a global computer network. It enables the tokenization of assets decentralized finance and real-world applications. It is programmable, productive and deflationary. The ETH ecosystem continues to flourish. It has the most active developer base. Major institutions like Coinbase, PayPal and BlackRock are building on it. We believe Ethereum is becoming the financial infrastructure layer of the Internet. Regulatory clarity has also improved. The GENIUS Act was signed into law last month creating a stable coin framework that strengthens Ethereum's role in digital payments. The CLARITY Act, which affirms ETH as a digital commodity is moving through the Senate. Together, these are meaningful steps toward broader institutional adoption. In plain English, the rules are catching up to the reality. We see ETH as a scarce productive treasury asset. It earns yield. We believe that it is set to capture more value as activity migrates on chain. Our priorities are to scale our ETH position, or by staking yield and maintain a strong liquid balance sheet. Our goal isn't just to buy ETH. It is to grow long-term value per share. That means expanding our position at a measured pace, deploying capital when the value proposition is compelling. And issuing shares at prices we view as a premium to our net asset value. While we do not have a buyback program in place, we would be open to considering one in the future, should our shares trade at a meaningful discount, even if that required reallocating ETH Holdings. We are also differentiated by our substantial ownership stake in WhiteFiber, a valuable public company in its own over time, that stake provides a unique source of strategic flexibility that could be monetized, if appropriate, to grow our ETH position in a nondilutive way. We intend to follow Michael Seller's playbook with the goal of driving our share price to a meaningful premium to NAV over time. Accordingly, we are exploring capital market alternatives to raise further capital to purchase additional ETH in a non-dilutive fashion. It's worth noting that our June 2025 issuance price of $2 per share subsequently traded materially higher and remains substantial premium to that share price. Looking ahead, we expect to continue scaling our ETH position through operational cash flow, opportunistic market access and when appropriate, other sources of capital that align with shareholder interest. To support that flexibility, we have created a proposal in our upcoming proxy to increase our authorized share count. This isn't tied to any immediate financing plan. It is ensuring that we have the tools to execute our ETH treasury strategy in a disciplined and shareholder-aligned way. We ask that you both and return your proxy card. Bit Digital is built to be more than an ETH holder. We are a platform for compounding value through yield, strategic capital allocation and the flexibility of our WhiteFiber ownership. We believe these advantages position us uniquely to deliver sustained growth in value per share over the long term. With that, we'll open the line for questions. And as a reminder, we will not be answering questions related to the WhiteFiber business beyond what has already been disclosed. Operator?

[Operator Instructions]. And the first question will come from Brian Dobson with Clear Street.

So there's certainly been a lot of growth in the treasury business model and Bitcoin treasury models like strategy are getting a lot of the headlines. But steering staking can generate real returns for investors. Do you think you could speak to the growing acceptance of the Ethereum staking among institutional investors and how you see this business model developing over time?

Sure. I mean there are so many ways to answer that question. First of all, we think it's a pretty smart move to accumulate ETH, and we're seeing -- we're glad to see other companies leaning into that strategy. The more companies that lean into that strategy, the more that Ethereum goes up. So we're pretty happy about that. We don't see that as pure competition. It's more of a cooperation competition hybrid. Broader adoption for us helps validate the asset. It benefits everyone who's already participating. We've been staking ETH for a long time, and we're not just holding it. We've been actively staking ETH for years now in generating yield. Our strategy is about compounding value with a productive treasury, as you mentioned, not just building a static ETH position. It's also probably worth reminding that we do own a large stake in WhiteFiber. And that state gives us a unique potential source of non-dilutive capital that we may use to grow our ETH holdings over time. So we are very much in a unique position. We've been talking about Ethereum and how that is a predictive treasury asset compared to Bitcoin because it has this field. It's worth noting that ETF, I'm not sure ETFs even have the ability, although they're talking about it to capture yield. That's one of the reasons why these ETH treasury plays are popular because people can get taking economics by buying an e treasury public company. That's something that you really couldn't do in the past. I hope that answers some of your questions.

And the next question will come from Joe Gomes, NOBLE Capital.

Just wanted to clear something up first. Erke, I'm not quite sure I heard, but I just want to make sure on the G&A, I did see that the professional consulting fees were significantly increased and the same with the share comp which drove overall G&A up to the $19.7 million from $8.2 million in the first quarter. Did you say that those consulting and the share comp are going to go back to more normalized level so that G&A going forward, would it be back to, let's call that $8 million to $10 million or we're going to be at a higher level going forward?

Yes, we do see this as a long time. A big part is related to our acquisition of Enovum as a milestone of the team, that's $5.5 million and some other consulting fees are related to the IPO expenses, those are all going to be related to WhiteFiber. So going forward, you see digital itself, the G&A will drop substantially.

I'd love to add to that. So in terms of the question of go-forward cost structure and what that will look like now that WhiteFiber is separate to Erke's point, the stand-alone digital cost structure will be significantly leaner than what you see in our consolidated results. Most of the CapEx and G&A associated with WhiteFiber will no longer apply. So we'll be operating with a much simpler footprint, fewer business lines fewer people and much lower infrastructure spend. The simplicity is part of what makes the ETH treasury strategy scalable. And going forward, we expect corporate expenses to trend down and ETH taking margins to play a larger role in our profitability. Second quarter G&A also featured a material amount of onetime and nonrecurring items to Erke's point, so the cost structure is less than a figure derived from simply allocating part of the G&A to WhiteFiber and part to BTBT.

Okay. I will just make the comment. I'm not quite understanding Sam, why you don't want to talk about WhiteFiber. I mean you guys still own 70% of it. The numbers are going to be consolidated. It's a big part of the value equation here in the story and to just say you guys are not going to talk about it. It does make a whole lot of sense to me. So I'm just throwing that out there, but thank you for your answer on the G&A.

Well, let's just -- let me comment on your comment WhiteFiber is its own operating company. And that was the point of the IPO. And so we're going to -- we have to treat it somewhat separately on a separate call and separate website and separate team. I can say that we currently own your right, we do own approximately 71.5% to 74.3% of WhiteFiber depending on the underwriter options and those shares are subject to a 6-month lockup. I can say that we view that stake as strategic -- as a strategic and financial asset for Bit Digital. I could say that over time, we intend to unwind that position and in a very measured and opportunistic way. That would mean monetizing shares when it makes sense, either to reinvest in our ETH strategy or return value to shareholders. We're not committing to a specific time line, but we do see the full separation as the long-term path going forward. But if there are some questions, we will, in the future, hold a similar format for WhiteFiber. If we made this call about WhiteFiber and not Bit Digital it would be very confusing and it would sort of defeat the purpose, I think, of keeping the company's separate because an ETH treasury play and a digital infrastructure player, just very different narratives, different audiences, different stories and different operations. And that was one of the main reasons to have the IPO. So I think WhiteFiber deserves its own format, its own call and so on. So I hope you understand.

And the next question will come from Nick Giles with B. Riley Securities

Just to follow up, I mean, beyond ETH purchases, what are some of the other ways that you can support the overall Ethereum ecosystem? Are there any partnerships you could consider? And really, just as we see increased competition in the treasury strategy landscape, how do you plan to market this platform and its overall contribution?

Yes. I think we've been a little bit hamstrung on the marketing of the ETH treasury play because we were under the mandated quiet period when we're going through the process of the WhiteFiber IPO. That is finally slowly receding. And when I mentioned that there's a reboot for our ETH treasury play, I meant it. So now that the IPO is behind us, you'll be seeing us on the circuit more often and catching up on mind share. We were the first ones to do this compared to any other ETH treasury play out there. And so we have the ability and the appetite to catch up on mind share, and we're already doing that. We have plans on that. But you're right, part of the competition is to own the narrative. And right now, there is -- there's a few companies out there and we're all competing on mind share. And of course, at the same time, you've got to buy a lot of ease. We have plans to buy a lot of ETH and we have plans to capture mind share and it's something that we'll be executing on for sure. But there is something up to do because of this IPO, frankly, trust me, the IPO was a very heavy left not to mention the mandated quiet period that we had to be on. It was frustrating to have metaphoric duct tape in my mouth not being able to talk about Ethereum in our treasury play, but that's finally -- that chapter in that era is finally behind us.

I appreciate that color and the background. My next question would just be, you touched on the GENIUS Act, which has obviously been transformational for the space. I mean, where do you think the regulatory framework could or should go for here?

Well, I think the regulatory framework will certainly be in favor of all things crypto. As a reminder, there was an era where Gary Gensler was the Chairman of the SEC. That era is finally behind us. We have a very friendly SEC towards crypto. Almost every other day. There is a positive statement or rule interpretation that is very friendly towards this new technology. So we're really happy to see that. At the congressional level, we're seeing, like you mentioned, the GENIUS Act and the CLARITY Act that is obviously very, very -- offers a lot of clarity and rules where these rules and CLARITY just wasn't there in the past. In the past, during Chairman, Gary Gensler era, there were no rules. And if you did anything, these poor programmers that we're building on the them ecosystem would be -- it was regulatory warfare. And I had friends who just weren't sure if they should build on Ethereum because they didn't want to go to jail because they had no idea what the rules are. That's a very different era today. And we've only started this era just about 7 months ago. So we have a long way to go and people are also beginning to understand the value of Ethereum. Why Ethereum has a lot of technological prowess over the mother coin, which is Bitcoin. It has smart contracts. It can rewrite the entire financial system. We're seeing institutions like JPMorgan even leaning in on the Ethereum ecosystem because it has absolute value. especially if it wants to rebuild in a more or rather less frictionless way for its infrastructure, its back office and middle office. I can't imagine the front office is wanting to embrace the Ethereum because that's a bit existential for them. But they're going to start with the back office and how Ethereum can replace that. So it's a very great time with respect to the CLARITY Act -- sorry, the GENIUS Act, that provided a lot of rules on -- sorry, a lot of CLARITY on rules for stable at accept stable coins as a formal payment processor. And so you're going to see a lot of issuers build their own stable coins. PayPal has already done it. You're going to see other issuers and other companies have their own stable coins. And remember, more than 50% of stable coins are built on Ethereum. That is a blue-chip ecosystem and people are getting to realize that and wake up to that. And I'm very bullish on Bitcoin. I think Bitcoin its main competitor are the gold markets. Bitcoin is a simple store value and Bitcoin is a simple store value. But frankly, if Bitcoin and Ethereum -- look, Bitcoin had a first-mover advantage at Bitcoin and Ethereum were invented on the first day. I don't think people would be talking about Bitcoin. It's just not the technology that Ethereum has. So that is why you're seeing a lot of success right now in these ETH treasury plays. There's a yield, there's fundamental value. There's technology, it's programmable and it could rewrite the entire financial system. Bitcoin can. Bitcoin is simply answer to gold.

Sam, I really appreciate your perspective. So continued best of luck.

I mean the markets -- I don't think I needed the luck because the markets are speaking for themselves right now. And selling our bitcoin on our balance sheet and buying Ethereum was a great trade.

We'll take our next question from a participant from H.C. Wainwright in call. Please provide your name as well.

This is Kevin. I was hoping you wouldn't mind talking a little bit more, Sam, about your Bitcoin mining thinking. I understand your 1.2 exahash with about 700 petahash coming in, I guess, through July future S21 deployments. I'm just wondering if you could give us a hint on how the fleet has aged and how you might see tapering what you have, legacy machines off as those come on and what you might recommend we consider in Bit Digital's Bitcoin hash at least in the near term, understanding full well it's not a long-term strategic initiatives?

Yes. I mean, look, that's right. We're in the process of winding down our Bitcoin mining business. It's part of our strategic just towards Ethereum. We're no longer investing in new machines. And over time, we do expect our active hash rate and revenue to decline as hosting contracts expire and older machines become unprofitable. To your point, we've recently deployed a batch of efficient S21 units that will help maintin positive margins while we wind down. Our strategy is to continue operating the fleet as long surveys profitable on a unit-by-unit basis. As mentioned, if there's a chance to sell business, we'd be happy to evaluate that. But absent that, the plan is just to let the business sunset in a way that maximizes cash flow and minimize this disruption. I think you talked about the current fleet efficiency and how that's trending as of the end of June, our fleet efficiency has been -- was approximately 25.1 joules per terahash. That's improved since quarter end. We've also deployed as mentioned, 2,130 S21+ miners and expect to deploy another 1,445 in the next coming weeks. Once those are online, -- we expect fleet efficiency to improve to around 23.3 joules per terahash, I apologize. And as mentioned, as you can guess over time as older models roll off, we anticipate fleet efficiency to fall in the range of 17.5 to 23.5 joules per terahash. And look, we do expect total fleet has rate to decline gradually as we wind down the mining business and retire older units. In the short term, the S21+ deployments will add around 317 per terahash as of capacity. So to the 1.6 to 1.8 range. But as older contracts expire and we transition toward only running the most efficient fleets in other words, the S21 and the S19 K-Pros. The total hash rate will decline while margins should improve. And I'm not sure if you're asking us whether continuing in mining equipment should we continue investing in mining equipment even though our margins are still positive. We just think that the capital allocation is just juicier if we allocate -- if we reallocate everything towards our ETH treasury play.

Yes. No, no. That point resonated clearly, Sam. No question there is just appreciate the help on how you see the hash rate trending. So if you get arms around it in the model. You also mentioned reducing infrastructure personnel. And I was wondering if you wouldn't mind sort of walking through headcount, maybe we could kind of get our arms around where SG&A would sort of bottom out?

Yes, absolutely. I mean the G&A is certainly going to be much less than on a going-forward basis because most of the G&A was focused on white fiber. In terms of headcount, I think Erke has a more granular grasp on that. Erke, do you recall how many people are going to have went, have migrated to WhiteFiber and how many are staying with the Bit Digital.

I think at this point, WhiteFiber probably takes about 70% of the Ethereum in personnel. And while there are some lapping consolidation and there's a transition period, but Bit Digital should remain -- and we can take out the WhiteFiber S1 that the much subtract that portion from WhiteFiber, that gets to a Bit Digital.

Right. Good idea, Erke. Sam, the executive offices are a little unclear to me. I understand you're going to run 2 company needs separately. I just maybe walk through who's heading up what and where?

Yes, absolutely. So as you recall, last fall, we acquired Enovum, a data center operator. That team has about 20 years of building greenfield and retrofit Tier 3 data centers. That was one of the main reasons why we acquired them, they've been in the trenches of refitting old facilities that had not going to do with Tier 3 data centers and converting them into Tier 3 data centers. They've been doing that for the likes of other hyperscalers like Amazon and Microsoft, and they continue that track record under the Enovum umbrella. And then we acquired them for about $46 million last fall. So that particular team is very intact. It's run by Billy, who is still the CEO of Enovum and is now transferred to WhiteFiber. There is no difference for the data center team. The day-to-day was always operationally very separate and had nothing to do with what the Bit Digital was doing. We also have a cloud team that's run by Ben Lamson, who has been who we were able to hire from another well-known Neocloud, in fact, the first Neocloud in history, and he was the first business development hire over there. And we have him and members of the team heading the cloud business. So both the cloud business and the data center business are under WhiteFiber they actually were always under WhiteFiber even before the IPO. So they were operationally very different than the people we had on the Bit Digital side. So there's no overlap except for 2 or 3 folks, the ones on the call today, myself, Cam and Erke. We will, for example, be very much involved in the Investor Relations portion of both companies will be very much involved, of course, in the financial allocation and the strategic discussions and so will I in terms of the capital allocation between our cloud and data center business. But in terms of the operational day-to-day, that is very separate. I would never be able to tell, for example, Billy's team on the construction crew side how to build Tier 3 data center. They've been doing this for 2 decades. And so that would not be appropriate for me, Cam or Erke, to get involved with. But again, the cloud team and the data center team, they've been operationally very separate from Bit Digital since day 1, and they continue to be, especially after this IPO and the only overlap that takes place is are those who are on the call from a strategic perspective, an IR perspective and a financial allocation perspective.

One last one for me, if I may. I was wondering if you could give us a little insight on the handling of Ethereum. Who do you have at stake with what are they charging you to manage that? What are your longer term or what's your longer-term thinking about maybe running nodes yourself? How are you considering that?

Yes, I'll let Erke take that question.

With [ Fireblocks ] custodian and stake to [ Fireblocks ] with the help of Figment for native staking. And also we had stakes through [indiscernible] for liquid staking you're working with LSCTH. So those are various partners we had been working with. And the native staking brings out about 3% yield. Liquid staking bumps up a little bit too. And the cost is less than 10%, I would say, in terms of EBIT margin.

How are you thinking about it going forward, Erke, do you think you might take some of that validator node operation in-house?

We had R&D around that. But at this point, was partnering with those institutional vendors and partners, and they have been doing a great job and giving us a lot of clarity and support and reporting and compliance, et cetera. So I think in the short term or medium term, we'll still be using those partners.

Very good. Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Congratulations on navigating all that you have lately.

There was an important question about why we can't comment too much about WhiteFiber. It's just worth mentioning that the WhiteFiber quiet period ends on August 31. So it's just another reason why we can't comment too much on WhiteFiber for the time being.

And that does conclude the question-and-answer session. I'll now turn the conference back over to you.

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, for your time today. We look forward to the next call. We are working very hard on executing this vision. Rome wasn't built in a day. So thanks very much for your patience. We are aiming to provide maximum shareholder value. So thank you for supporting us and until the next call. Thank you.

Thank you. That does conclude today's conference. We do thank you for your participation. Have an excellent day.