Block, Inc. (XYZ) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 9, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Josh Beck
analystAll right. Well, good early afternoon to everyone in the East Coast. Good late morning in the West Coast, where I think Amrita is dialing in from. So we're incredibly happy to have Square joining us for a fireside chat this afternoon. Amrita's obviously quite busy, so we're really appreciative of her time. So I'm going to read a quick disclaimer and then jump into some Q&A. Investors, if you have questions, there should be a Zoom inbox or Zoom messaging window, you can place them in there. Or if you'd like to go to the old-school way, you can e-mail me at jbeck@key.com, and we will try to work those in at the end, time permitting. So maybe I'll just go ahead and do the disclaimer. So during this conversation, Amrita may make forward-looking statements that are subject to certain risks and uncertainties. She may also speak as to certain non-GAAP metrics. Please take a look at Square's most recent filings with the SEC for a discussion of the company's risk factors and for reconciliations of non-GAAP metrics to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measure.
Josh Beck
analystSo with that out of the way, maybe we can hop in and just dive right into the topic du jour, which is COVID and how it's rippled across the economy. And certainly, with your ecosystem of small businesses and consumers, you've obviously seen a lot of aspects of that. Certainly, I think one of the things that stands out to me is we have seen -- obviously, it's been very challenging on a lot of fronts, for lots of different constituents. But we also have seen a surge in digital products and how they've been embraced across financial services, commerce, collaboration, many others. So just would love to hear from you what has been the impact across your ecosystem and what do you see as the enduring elements of change here?
Amrita Ahuja
executiveWell, first, Josh, thank you so much for having me here today. You're right, we've seen both our Seller and Cash App ecosystems serve important roles for our customers during these challenging times, during COVID. And now, more than ever, we see the strength and the value of our ecosystem strategy, and it comes down to 2 things. It comes down to speed and trust. For Seller, to illustrate some of the issues that our sellers have been going through, GPV, dollar-based retention. This is a metric that we look at that's similar to same-store sales. Went from negative 50% in April, negative 50% year-over-year, to down approximately 10% to 15% in July. The strong resilience that we saw in those months in between, with progressive improvement each month amongst existing sellers, we believe was the result of 4 factors that our ecosystem enabled for our sellers. That was a shift to online, that was vertical expansion, it was increased access to contactless hardware and it was through PPP loans. For our online strategy, it includes a variety of channels that serve sellers of all types and sizes, connecting them with buyers through web and mobile. We saw a 3-year adoption cycle compressed into 3 weeks, in mid-March and in April, and we believe the elements of this are enduring. For vertical expansion, this is where we've seen sellers get creative about how they meet their customers. I'll give you an example of one of our sellers, Brother & Sisters Flower Shop in Oakland switched from another platform to Square Online at the start of shelter-in-place. And once retailers were able to safely reopen, they started using our Appointments products to keep track of their customer visits and to set up shopping appointments. This sort of blending, where a retailer can use services products like Appointments or a restaurant can become a retailer or a grocer, is something we can uniquely enable given our expertise across restaurants, retail and services. With contactless hardware, this has really empowered our sellers to adapt to social distancing measures, and it's an important differentiator for us relative to legacy payments platforms. These hardware products continue to serve. They're an important acquisition tool for us. They bring in new sellers to Square, and we've seen a significant acceleration to that transition to cashless. In February, we were at about a 5% rate for U.S. sellers who are effectively cashless. In April, we were at about a 23% rate. That's now normalized to about 14% as of June, but obviously elevated to what we saw pre-COVID and we can continue to serve here. And then finally on Seller, with PPP loans. In the second quarter, we provided access for really a financial lifeline for over 80,000 small and largely underserved businesses around the country for a total of $873 million in PPP loans. And that loan size is 1/10 of the average SBA loan during the PPP. And now the Square Capital team is relaunching our Flex Loan product and is beginning to ramp that to continue to provide that lifeline as we have in the past. And it's because of the value that our ecosystem has demonstrated for our existing sellers that we've seen strong acquisition of new sellers in the second quarter. We believe this market is still 85% to 90% legacy solutions today, which aren't entirely digital, aren't entirely cloud-based. And as companies are reevaluating -- they're taking this time to reevaluate their point-of-sale solutions, we believe the Seller business is well positioned here, and that's why we want to lean in even more on go-to-market. On the other side of the house, Cash App, our cash ecosystem has continued to rapidly grow its network of active customers and to drive higher engagement even as we've grown the base. In June, we have 30 million monthly actives, up 25% versus the last number we gave in December. And once customers join Cash App, they adopted more products. Our Q2 cohort of customers saw an increase in the number of products they adopted within their first month after activation. Those products that they adopted include things like Cash Card, direct deposit, our Boost product, Bitcoin in investing. What that shows us is that now more than ever, we're seeing consumers look for modern financial solutions that can help. And as I said, as we've grown that network, we've seen engagement increasing over time. Our monthly actives are -- transacted in Q2 at about an average of 15x per month, which is up almost 50% year-over-year across, again, significant products like Cash Card, which are driving mainstream usage, 7 million Cash Card-transacting actives, and the majority of whom are transacting 20x per month on average. All of that engagement -- I'll close on this. All of that engagement led to higher revenue per monthly active customer in Q2, up 3x over the last few years from less than $15 in 2017 to almost $45 in June of 2020. And so to your enduring question, some of this uplift is very likely stimulus-driven. But the increasing popularity here on Cash App, the increasing use cases around our products is something we plan to continue to build upon.
Josh Beck
analystOkay. That is a great overview. Obviously, you touched a lot of different parts of the ecosystem. So that's incredibly helpful. Yes, I wanted to go back to the first point that you made around online channels. So I mean that's been a surprise for me. I think you gave some very helpful disclosure, that it's risen to greater than 25% of GPV. So maybe just help us understand, there's lots of moving parts underneath that. But really where you're seeing the most momentum and how we should think about online/omni over a longer-term period?
Amrita Ahuja
executiveSure. So our omnichannel strategy, which basically means we're helping sellers serve their buyers through multiple channels, remains our top strategic priority for our Seller ecosystem. For a number of years now, we've invested in building out our capabilities. And we've seen many of our sellers utilize that online ecosystem, particularly, obviously, during these dynamic times. So as you noted, Q2 GPV from online channels -- those online channels, by the way, are virtual terminal invoices, Square online and our online APIs, was up more than 50% year-over-year and made up 25% of our Seller GPV. If you look at that period a year ago, that was 14% of Seller GPV. So pretty meaningful mix shift here. And it's not just a COVID phenomenon. GPV from online channels has been growing at over 50% for the past 6 quarters. But it's now at a scale where it's meaningful to our overall business growth profile. During COVID, obviously, we are able to drive heightened awareness, that Square is here to help sellers with online needs. We see now sellers coming to Square for our online solutions, with Square Online serving as a front door for sellers to adopt the broader ecosystem of tools. 1 in 3 of our Square Online sellers in the second quarter were net new to Square's overall platform. And that percentage actually increased in July and August. That means people are coming to us for their online needs. And we've been encouraged that these sellers have not only used Square Online once they've joined, but they've also adopted other channels and other products in our ecosystem, including in-person payments. So those Square Online sellers who onboarded in Q2 generated up to 50% of their volumes from channels outside of Square Online. And while awareness of these offerings has improved, we believe that there's further opportunity to drive awareness here for our online offerings. And again, this is a key focus area for our sales and marketing investments in the back half of the year.
Josh Beck
analystOkay. That's really helpful. So another angle there is really what's happening with developers. I think you gave some really helpful examples of how sellers are viewing you maybe as a online store first and that helped to bring you customers. But I'm just kind of curious on your maybe perception within the developer community. When I think about the e-com API, the in-app SDK, it certainly seems like you've started to invest more and your presence is increasing. Just how do you think about the opportunity to work with developers as a growth avenue for Square? Is that something that has already been factored into your TAM numbers that you provided? And just how should we think about that opportunity?
Amrita Ahuja
executiveSure. I think there's 2 parts of this question that are important to address here. First is the internal platform that we're building and how we build our ecosystem of first-party products on that platform. And then second, how we leverage that platform for the external-facing developer platform that enables third parties, both sellers and developers, to build and extend functionality on our APIs, and that concurrently serves as an acquisition tool for larger sellers. So maybe starting first on how we build our first-party products on our platform. We've invested heavily on having a tech stack that's agile, that's scalable. Each additional product that we add gets leverage on all the products that have been launched previously. I'll give you an example of that. Our vertical software for restaurants and retail were constructed using the internal building blocks around inventory orders, employees and more for our platform. We didn't have to rebuild those pieces as we launched new vertical products. Our engineering teams here are designing features that are applicable cross-functionally, that speeds up our development and that creates economies of scale over time. And for the seller, that means that the ecosystem is more cohesive, and it gives us greater power in managing their business, understanding their customers and, ultimately, driving growth for them. We can provide the seller, through those first-party products that are cohesive, a 360-degree view of their customer, no matter where that product is that they're using. And that's a key driver of our ability to create a more durable and retentive relationship with our seller. Now the external side of it, using that platform approach, our external-facing developer platform is an important area for us in terms of investment to help us extend our ecosystem capabilities and better address the needs of more sellers, particularly those with more custom needs. Our developer platform helps us -- you asked about TAM, it helps us address more of the TAM opportunity that we've identified. That $6 trillion in gross receipts in the U.S., using -- including verticals where we don't offer first-party software, for instance, like health care, and our developer platform is also extending our TAM to even larger sellers. Currently, that $6 trillion is cut off at about $100 million in volume on an individual seller basis. But as we grow our developer platform, we have the ability to grow that upmarket reach. That platform enables a combination of partnership integrations. We have over 500 app -- marketplace partners today. Other third-party integrations, where we don't have a formal [ relationship ] and then custom solutions for larger sellers. And we've seen that, that has resonated so far with our larger sellers. Last year, we saw 46% of GPV for sellers in our largest grouping, over $0.5 million in annualized GPV. 46% came from businesses that used our open platform, and that has grown 3x since 2016. So obviously, an important part of driving our business with larger sellers and one that we want to continue to build upon.
Josh Beck
analystReally helpful. Maybe just going back to some of your comments on how the businesses trend throughout the quarter. Certainly, there was a lot of resilience in the Seller ecosystem, and you spoke to that, and really what I think was a pretty substantial acceleration in the Cash App business. So maybe just help us understand how those things progressed as you went into Q2. And obviously, you didn't guide, but as we think about moving forward into Q3, how you want to invest in some of the opportunities that have really come up in the last 3 to 6 months?
Amrita Ahuja
executiveSure. So in the second quarter and through July, we saw improving trends for both Seller and Cash App. With Seller, we saw a rebound in Seller GPV. The trough in April was about minus 39% year-over-year. And in July, we saw positive 5% year-over-year growth, where trends improved each month. That was primarily driven by sellers pivoting to other channels with Square and obviously strong acquisition of new sellers on the platform. Given that card-not-present growth was back at pre-COVID levels during July, continued GPV improvements will depend on the recovery of in-person transactions and our ability to further help sellers adapt around that. On Cash App, gross profit grew 140 -- sorry, 167% year-over-year in the second quarter and more than 200% in July with, again, improvement in each month since March. That compares to over 100% year-over-year growth pre-COVID. The growth levers that I would articulate here was, again, strong customer acquisition and 30 million monthly actives in June; continued product adoption with customers finding daily utility here with Cash App. And then a strong increase in dollar inflows per active, which we believe was partly driven by stimulus. So as with our Seller ecosystem, our Cash App team did an excellent job resonating with both new and existing customers during a difficult time. Now since Q2, we've seen -- we've been closely monitoring any impacts as stimulus programs decreased and changed in late July. And in August, we believed -- as we believe possible, as we indicated at earnings, we saw modest deceleration in Cash App's gross profit growth relative to July, following changes to stimulus programs, although growth remained well above those pre-stimulus levels in Q1. So the variability that we may see here is one of the [ reasons we ] didn't provide guidance for the second half of the year, but instead want to focus on understanding and tracking trends in real time.
Josh Beck
analystOkay. That is really helpful, and that definitely makes sense. One of the questions that I wanted to ask on Cash App, I think back at your spring investor update, you had mentioned you see a $60 billion-plus revenue opportunity. Just would be curious, obviously, that's a sizable number versus where you're at today. How do you realize this? Is it more so on the ARPU side? Is it really just bringing in consumers? Is it both? Just where do you find the leverage to kind of realize this opportunity in the mid and long term?
Amrita Ahuja
executiveYes. I mean, look, when we think about the opportunity we're going after with Cash App, we think about 3 core services. They're sending, spending and investing. And these services represent $9 trillion of transaction volume opportunity to engage our customers. We're not monetizing all of this volume today. Obviously, we don't charge for peer-to-peer through debit card. We aren't charging for the use of our equity stocks program. But we see a $60 billion revenue opportunity across our existing products and with the largest long-term opportunity being through Cash Card, this is the addressable opportunity just on the existing product set today. There are many adjacent areas of financial services which Cash App can address over time, services available through a traditional bank or other popular sort of consumer financial apps. We continue to target 1 to 2 significant new launches each year. This year, we launched cross-border payments in the U.S. and U.K. In March, we started early beta testing for a lending product in August as well. And so we'll go deeper, we'll add features with our existing products. And as we do that, there's an opportunity to drive further engagement utility with our existing customers as well as obviously growing our overall customer base. And you've seen us do that launch enhancements and feature extensions that enhance overall engagement and monetization, an example of this being the Boost products, which enhanced Cash Card with instant rewards or investing, which drove broader ecosystem engagement as Bitcoin in stock and actives have historically generated 2 to 3x the variable profit compared to peer-to-peer customers. So there's a number of ways that we can grow by going deeper with our existing products, by launching new products and obviously making more and more customers aware of these products, which is part of the reason that we're leaning into go-to-market spend in the back half of the year.
Josh Beck
analystGreat. And on the seller side and thinking about the TAM there, certainly in the spring update, you had outlined a bigger TAM than what you had done in 2017. I really believe financial services was likely a part of that. Maybe just help us bridge the gap between that increased TAM opportunity and what you're the most excited about in the mid-term and long term for the Seller business?
Amrita Ahuja
executiveYes. I think one of the things that's most exciting to me about our company is -- Jack calls it multiple founding moments. We have a history of TAM expansion. We have a history of reinventing and expanding the ways in which we serve our customers. And that's enabled through product velocity and the build-out of products and services across our ecosystem. And in fact, building a whole new ecosystem with Cash App. But even within just Seller, you're right, we've seen expansion over time. We started -- the first opportunity we addressed was helping micro sellers, except payments, which started as about a $5 billion opportunity. And then fast forward to this March, we released an investor deck around the current opportunity sizing, and we now see $100 billion addressable revenue opportunity for our Seller ecosystem. That's broken down in the U.S. by -- it's about 20 million relevant sellers across our target market today, who represents $6 trillion in gross receipts, as I had mentioned. And across our Seller ecosystem, that's about $85 billion in the U.S. alone. We've now obviously added 4 international markets where there's a significant and largely untapped opportunity for Square in those 4 markets and beyond. So in addition to the U.S. opportunity, those 4 markets represent a $16 billion opportunity for transaction profit in the U.S. -- sorry, U.K., Canada, Australia and Japan. And separately from that international growth, to call out the specific areas where we have expanded our seller TAM in recent years, clearly, is software. We see -- now see software as a $30 billion opportunity as we've expanded our capabilities here, including new vertical-specific solutions. And then secondly, financial services, a $5 billion opportunity between instant transfers and Square Card, and we see further opportunities here to deepen our financial services offerings for sellers. An example of that being that through the PPP program that we ran, we were able to expand the awareness of our Square Capital program as 60% of our PPP borrowers had never before received a loan through Square. So those are sorts of opportunities of driving awareness and deepening with financial services is where we want to go. And again, existing market opportunity has multiple levers of growth, from product vector, from a geographic vector and from a customer vector as we expand upmarket into new customer segments. And today, we're sitting at less than 3% penetrated pre-COVID. So we see a significant runway here to continue to grow as we think about the broader market being 85% to 90% legacy penetrated. We see a significant opportunity to continue to grow.
Josh Beck
analystGreat. And I wanted to follow up on one of those points because you kind of mentioned this aspect of your founding new businesses within Square, and now you have a substantial consumer and seller business. So I think one of the interesting things to think about is as those ecosystems start to merge, you have pretty sizable scale really on both sides, which is a bit of the chicken-and-egg problem that a lot of the network B2C opportunities run into. But you're really starting to solve that. So I'm just kind of curious what type of opportunities do you see unfolding as these ecosystems scale and, in some ways, start to merge?
Amrita Ahuja
executiveSure. So first, let me just say that I think we're in the early days of our growth. We see 3 horizons of growth for Square. And they don't have to be sequential, but where we are today is horizon 1. This is network growth for our 2 ecosystems, acquiring sellers and customers, again, large, fragmented landscape for both seller and cash. And each ecosystem intends to add new unique products to expand the TAM over time. Secondly, it's within each ecosystem, continuing to optimize that cross-sell so that we can bring merchants and customers with more value and deepen that relationship with them as they take on more than 1 or 2 or 3 products. And then thirdly, as you're saying, connecting the 2 ecosystems, finding the flywheel and the unique things that only a company in our position on being both sides of the counter can do, which is incredibly powerful, and all that more powerful when it's at scale. So when we think about the values in connecting the 2 ecosystems, it's both the ability to move faster internally, where we can do cross-sharing, on product innovation and building new products in existence today that create whole new experiences externally for the seller and for the consumer to interact. On the internal point, what we've done here across both ecosystems is strengthen the other ecosystem by sharing product learnings. And you've seen that in Instant Deposit and Instant Transfer. You've seen that on Square Card and Cash Card. Sharing infrastructure through our payment rails, and sharing talent, we've seen tremendous talent mobility between the 2 ecosystems. And we believe we'll continue to do those things even at greater scale. When we look externally as the ecosystems grow or from a consumer standpoint, what they can see as the ecosystems grow is the intersection of the 2 ecosystems and the density and overlap of those ecosystems growing over time. We've experimented with integrations around payroll, and we can think of using other applications that have overlap between a seller and a consumer. Think of things like marketing, loyalty, our Boost program. We have a few other experiments underway, and we have more work to do on understanding and prioritizing the types of connections that we can create and that can create the most value for Square and for our customers. But beyond just closing that loop between the 2 ecosystems, during COVID, we've seen interesting ways -- that lines of the sellers and individuals are blurring between each ecosystem. I'll give you an example from each business. Within Seller, we've seen a growing opportunity to deepen our financial services for sellers, with Capital plus Square Card plus other products, to manage that broader spectrum of financial needs. And with Cash App, with Cash for Business, where we charge 2.75% for P2P transactions, we've seen different types of sellers processing payments, whether as a side hustle or as their business. And that Cash App transaction revenue, primarily Cash for Business, grew 200% year-over-year in the second quarter, made up 9% of our overall Square transaction revenue. If you think about that, a $200 million a year [ annual ] run rate business, from relatively immaterial scale prior to that, this is a powerful example of how network effect businesses can drive scale quickly on a growing base of customers and how -- there's more work for us to do for our customers in each ecosystem and then connecting the 2.
Josh Beck
analystOkay. We are running up on time. We've got a lot of questions. I think investors probably reach out to ir@squareup.com, maybe to address some of those. But the most common one here seems to be around the vision for Cash App, and there's some commentary around these super apps that we see in other geographies that are more tightly integrating financial services, banking. You mentioning that you obviously have a banking license and there's obviously other adjacencies that you could get into Cash App. So I think it's -- I don't know how much you can talk to it, but it seems to be very long term road map-oriented. But what could Cash App look like in terms of the set of products that it offers if we think in the long term?
Amrita Ahuja
executiveYes. I mean I think coming back to your TAM question, that $60 billion opportunity probably doesn't encapsulate everything we can do with Cash. It encapsulates the opportunity on our existing products. But our ambition here is to provide the values and the services that people get today from traditional financial institutions and to do that in a seamless, easy-to-onboard, frictionless, consumer-friendly way as possible. And the powerful thing -- dynamic that we've seen with Cash App is that combination of efficient customer acquisition costs with strong cross-sell to deeper engagement and higher monetizing products. It's the combination of the peer-to-peer with Cash Card, direct deposit, investing, et cetera. It's a combination of the top-of-funnel customer acquisition product like peer-to-peer that drives efficient customer acquisition cost and then expanding the customer lifetime value through all of these other products that we've launched over time and will continue to launch over time. That's created a dynamic where we have compounding growth on an increasing set of customers, increasing engagement per active customer and increasing monetization per active customer. And that is a powerful dynamic that's rare to see in combination and at scale.
Josh Beck
analystOkay. Well, we always like to end on the future of tech questions. I think you gave us a little preview there down the road. So we're really appreciative of your time. Obviously, you are managing a very dynamic ecosystem globally from home, and we know you're incredibly busy. So we really appreciate your time. And everyone on the phone, thank you for joining. And Amrita, I hope you have a great day and rest of the week.
Amrita Ahuja
executiveWonderful. Thank you so much, Josh. Appreciate your time as well.
Josh Beck
analystThank you, everyone. Cheers.
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