Cementos Argos S.A. (CEMARGOS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 24, 2021

Bolsa de Valores de Colombia CO Materials Construction Materials earnings 60 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#1

Good afternoon. My name is Carolina Londoño. I welcome you to our fourth quarter results release. On the call today, we have Juan Esteban Calle, our CEO; Carlos Yusty, our CFO; Maria Isabel Echeverri, the VP of Legal Affairs; Bill Wagner, the VP of the U.S. Division; Juan Enrique Navarro, Chief Marketing Officer of the Colombia Region; and Camilo Restrepo, the VP of the Caribbean and Central America Division. Please note that certain forward-looking statements and information during the call or in the reports and presentation uploaded to our website are related to Cementos Argos and its subsidiaries, which are based on the knowledge of current facts, expectations, circumstances and assumptions of future events. Various factors may cause Argos' future results, performance or accomplishments to differ from those expressed herein. The forward-looking statements are made to date, and Argos does not assume any obligation to update said statements in the future as a result of new information, future events or any other factors. [Operator Instructions] We will record this Q&A session and upload it in our web page. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Calle.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#2

Thank you, Carolina, and good afternoon, everyone. I would like to start by highlighting the remarkable results that we achieved during the unpredictable and challenging times that we faced during 2020, which required our very best to adjust our company and our businesses to the new reality. The design and execution of RESET provided us with the road map to safely and efficiently run our businesses through a period of high uncertainty and low visibility of demand in most of our markets. On the health and safety dimension, we successfully implemented biosafety protocols across the regions, which allow us to operate under safe conditions at minimum level of positive cases even during the peak month of the pandemic. We also continue expanding this couple of initiatives associated with operational excellence, such as Argos ONE, which significantly increased its adoption level by our clients on cement and ready-mix orders during the year. And the rollout of digital twins in the operations of cement kilns and grinding stations delivering very promising results on the variability of our products, cost efficiencies and energy consumptions. On liquidity, after securing and disbursing new facilities for COP 640 billion as a safety measure during the first semester of the year, we were able to generate free cash flow during 2020 for COP 1 trillion and closed the period with a healthy cash position of COP 621 billion. Regarding SG&A and cost efficiencies, we obtained savings of $150 million for the full year, exceeding our initial goal of $94 million. For 2021, we are committed to preserve around 40% of the dollar SG&A and cost efficiencies captured in 2020. Moving on to our consolidated results. I would like to start by clarifying that all percent changes in ready-mix dispatches on EBITDA are calculated based on pro forma numbers that excluding 2019, the EBITDA generated by the ready-mix plants and income from their divestment and COP 25 billion of land appraisals in Colombia. In 2020, adjusted EBITDA excludes the impact of the payment of $20 million that Argos U.S. agreed to pay to the Department of Justice of the U.S. as part of a deferred prosecution agreement subscribed to close contingencies related to historic acquisitions in that market. We would like to reaffirm this strong commitment that the company has to our culture of transparency and respect for the competition laws in all the countries where we have presence. As a result, we will continue strengthening our ethics and compliance programs across all of our regions to prevent this type of conducts in the future. As a result of the successful execution of RESET and the recovery of the construction industry in most of our markets, which led to a sequential improvement of cement volumes, EBITDA reached COP 448 billion during the fourth quarter, increasing 16.3% on a like-for-like basis when compared to the same period of 2019. For the full year, EBITDA reached COP 1.68 trillion, increasing 4.5% on a like-for-like basis. Cement dispatches reached 3.9 million tons during the quarter, increasing 2% positively impacted by the strong performance of exports from Cartagena and the trading business in the CCA region. On the other hand, ready-mix volumes reached 1.9 million cubic meters during the quarter, posting a 15.8% decrease year-over-year, reflecting a lower dynamic in the formal construction segment in Colombia and the commercial segment in the U.S. Now to start with our results in each region, I would like to invite Bill to provide more context about the performance of the U.S. region and our view for the market.

William Wagner

executive
#3

Thank you, Juan, and good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to start by highlighting strong EBITDA performance of the U.S. region during the fourth quarter of 2020, which reached $66 million. This represents an increase of 15.8% on a like-for-like basis versus the same quarter of 2019. These results reflect the successful implementation of the RESET program, which allowed us to generate savings of $4.6 million during the quarter. For the full year, our objective to increase profitability in the region continued to deliver outstanding results. Adjusted EBITDA margin reached 17.7%, posting an improvement compared to the previous year on a like-for-like basis. This achievement was driven by our strategy of focusing on integrated assets and rebalancing our portfolio mix by increasing the participation in the residential civil infrastructure segments. The combination of slightly higher prices and lower volumes led to a revenue contraction of 9% during the quarter. Cement prices remained stable, while volumes decreased 3%. In the ready-mix business, prices increased 2% and dispatches were 16% lower than the fourth quarter of 2019. Regarding cement volumes, we highlight the Carolinas and Deep South performance, where volumes grew double-digit year-over-year as relevant projects such as distribution centers and warehouses in Georgia and South Carolina have been recently added to our backlog. Ready-mix dispatches were impacted by challenging market conditions the commercial segment. This was partially offset by the increased participation in our portfolio mix of residential and infrastructure projects. The construction sector maintained the positive trend evidenced over the past months, driven by the strong momentum of the residential market. Building permits increased 17% on reaching 2006 levels, housing starts rose 5% and residential construction spending grew 20% in December. A high level of permits and low housing inventories across the country support a positive outlook for the segment in 2021. Warehouses and data center projects have partially offset the commercial segment's weaker performance as offices and retail have been the most impacted during the pandemic. The ABI index, which is an indicator of the dynamic of the nonresidential construction in the next 9 to 12 months and is considered to be stable at 50 points has improved sequentially but remains below its stability level since March. Following this trend, the Dodge Momentum Index is 4.8% below 2019 for the full year due to a 13.5% drop in the institutional component and a 1% improvement in its commercial component linked to warehouse planning. After the Fast Act renewal in September, the infrastructure segment posted a slight improvement in public construction spending. In December, projects in highway and street education, sewage and waste disposal and water supply presented the most significant growth. For 2021, we foresee public construction spending to remain stable as we expect the federal infrastructure plan to be announced in order to boost the segment in the midterm. We will continue to focus on balancing our portfolio mix and asset base, adjusting to the dynamic market additions. We remain optimistic as macroeconomic conditions support a stable environment for our sector, and vaccination program starts delivering positive results that will allow the economy to fully recover.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#4

Thank you, Bill. As we mentioned, the macroeconomic indicators in the U.S. region provide a positive perspective for the company in 2021. I am sure that with our focus on efficiency and flexibility, we will achieve extraordinary results this year. Moving on to Colombia, I would like to highlight the past record of the industry, which reached 2019 levels ahead of expectations. Juan Enrique will now provide additional color on this region.

Juan Enrique Navarro Vargas

executive
#5

Thank you, Juan, and good afternoon, everyone. Over the last months, we have prioritized volume without directly affecting price. Seeking to continue recovering market share after the slight deterioration evidenced in the second quarter as a result of the pandemic, and the divergent speed of recovery of the infrastructure and industrial segments of the market when compared to consumer cycle. Consequently, our cement volumes improved sequentially during the quarter but decreased 1.6% year-over-year as we are less exposed to the retail segment that has driven the recovery of the industry. In the ready-mix business, volumes decreased 12% during the quarter versus the same period of 2019, reflecting a slower pace of recovery in formal construction. Lower volumes has increase in maintenance costs and distribution costs led to an EBITDA decrease of 1.7% in the fourth quarter. This result was partially offset by higher prices compared to the same period of 2019 and $1.9 million of savings within RESET that reflect our commitment towards efficiency and operational excellence. During the quarter, the Colombian market presented a positive dynamic in terms of volume, driven by strong momentum in the retail segment due to the self-construction trend that has prevailed since the market reopened. According to the statistics published by DANE, the cement industry grew for 3 consecutive months from September to November, reaching an all-time high of 1.17 million tons in October. The retail segment in Colombia grew 6% in the quarter when compared to 2019, while the industrial segment continued its recovery path reaching 2019 levels in cement dispatches for each month of the quarter, supported by the excellent performance of the residential segment, especially in social housing. During the year, we continue to deliver value by consolidating the company as a leader in customer service, knowledge and experience. Our objective to always provide innovative products and solutions that improve our clients' productivity and our digitalization strategy, where Argos ONE reached an adoption of 76% of cement orders in December ratifies the company as a key partner within the industry. In 2021, we will strengthen our position as leader in the infrastructure segment by being a supplier of relevant projects such as MAR 2, Bucaramanga-Barrancabermeja-Yondó and the Transmilenio project in Soacha and 68th Avenue in Bogotá, among others. We expect the trends evidenced in the previous months to continue a strong retail segment and residential projects will support industry volumes, while the infrastructure programs announced by the government will boost the sector as they start demanding materials in the second half of the year.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#6

Thank you, Juan. We are confident that our value strategy and the full recovery of the industry will allow us to achieve our goals in this year. Now moving on to the Caribbean and Central America. I would like to highlight the great results achieved during the quarter despite adverse weather conditions that impacted Honduras and Panama. Camilo will provide more information about the performance of the region.

Camilo Restrepo

executive
#7

Thank you, Juan, and good afternoon, everyone. During the quarter, we experienced a positive dynamic across all countries in the region, influenced by the self-construction trend and the fact that the operations in Panama remained open during the whole quarter. These factors partially offset the impact of 2 major hurricanes that affected the region in November, especially Honduras, where they hit ground, and Panama due to increased rainfall. Cement dispatches increased 13.5% year-over-year with Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic posting high single-digit growth. Additionally, the integration of the Houston ready-mix operation, which began in October, led to an increase of 25% on exports out of the Cartagena plant. Even though Honduras faced adverse weather conditions in November, a quick recovery after being closed for several days, led to an 80% increase of cement volume compared to the fourth quarter of 2019, influenced mainly by self-construction as infrastructure projects have been on hold since the start of the pandemic. On the other hand, Haiti, affected by the revaluation of the gourde remained stable in terms of volume and Panama still facing challenging conditions, evidenced lower cement dispatches during the quarter. Nevertheless, I want to highlight the excellent performance of the ready-to-use portfolio in Panama in terms of volume, market coverage and customer satisfaction. The weighted average cement price in the CCA region decreased 3% year-over-year, but remained stable sequentially. EBITDA decreased 1.7% during the quarter year-over-year as a consequence of lower prices and currency revaluation in Haiti, while higher volumes and $1.8 million of savings with our reseat program partially offset the performance. Our outlook for the Caribbean and Central America region remains cautiously optimistic, supported by the strong self-construction trend evidenced in emerging markets, which we expect to continue. Additionally, in Honduras, the government recently announced investments to dynamize the construction sector and rebuild infrastructure impacted by the hurricanes. In the residential segment, they launched a program to materialize the dream of low-income families to own a home by lowering the 20-year mortgage rate for social housing from 9.7% to 5%. Regarding the situation in Panama, even though there is still uncertainty, in our opinion, there is some room for the market to recover in 2021. During the fourth quarter, the residential segment posted a modest improvement in housing sales, which may suggest a better performance for this year. Also, the country has a relevant pipeline of infrastructure projects, including the fourth bridge over the Canal and the third line of the metro, which have been on hold for a few years and would be a catalyst for the economic recovery.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#8

Thank you, Camilo. I would like now to make reference to our balance statement. We closed the year with a net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of 4.54x, which is higher than what reported on the third quarter of 2020. This result is explained by the fact that the divestment of ready-mix assets done in December of 2019 is no longer included in the calculation of the ratio. And the 2020 EBITDA is impacted by the $20 million the company agreed to pay in the U.S. as part of the DPA previously mentioned. I would like to emphasize that we are committed to reduce our level of net debt-to-EBITDA ratio to 3.2x by the end of 2021. We are making progress on the divestment process of the Dallas ready-mix assets, and we expect to close the sale during the first semester of 2021. The proceeds from this transaction will be used entirely to reduce our leverage. The average life total debt improved significantly during the second semester of 2020 as short-term debt decreased from a weight of 25% to 14%. This is the result of the amortization of loans that had short-term maturities, the renegotiation of certain credit facilities that were extended into the long term and a successful COP 250 billion bond placement in November with a bid-to-cover ratio of 1.81x, which ratifies the trust of the market in the company. I would like to mention that we published the information for our shareholders' meeting to be held on March 24, 2021, which includes the proposal to distribute a dividend of COP 127.6 per share to be paid either in cash or in shares. This proposal is aligned with our strategy and commitment to deleverage the company in 2021. We believe that the potential appreciation of the shares is a great opportunity for our shareholders, as in our opinion, the current price do not reflect the fundamental value of the company. I would like to end the call by thanking each of -- one of our employees for their full commitment and resilience during 2020. I believe the experience we will overcome over the last year will lead us to be even stronger and more prepared to face the opportunities and challenges of the future. Thank you all for your attention. And Carolina, we can proceed to open now the Q&A.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#9

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Rodrigo Sanchez from Davivienda Corredores.

Rodrigo Sanchez

analyst
#10

I've got a couple of questions here, like the first one is how much of the savings achieved through RESET in 2020 are expected to be maintained in 2021? And my second question is how much of your leverage target is expected to be achieved through divestments? And how much through organic recovery?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#11

Thank you very much, Rodrigo, for your questions. And we expect to keep at least 40% of our savings from the RESET program in 2021 and that is the savings that regarding fixed cost and traveling expenses and so on with SG&A. So we expect at least to keep 40% of those savings into 2021. In terms of the impact of the divestment into improving our leverage ratio, more or less 40% will come from the sale of the assets. And then the 60% remain from improving in our operational results in 2021.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#12

The next question comes from Vanessa Quiroga from Crédit Suisse.

Vanessa Quiroga

analyst
#13

It's about the -- again, about the savings that you expect to be able to maintain in 2021. Do you think that the savings achieved in the fourth quarter 2020 is more or less a run rate that we could expect for the coming quarters? And the other question that I have is regarding exports in Central America. Can you -- Central and Caribbean. Can you give us more color about what you are seeing in terms of the exports dynamics?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#14

Sure. Thank you, Vanessa. I mean the reality that we were in full operations in all of our regions in the fourth quarter of 2020. So the reality is that, that is a good indication of the structure of the cost of the company going forward. Regarding exports in Central America and the Caribbean, I would like Camilo Restrepo to provide you with the answer.

Camilo Restrepo

executive
#15

Vanessa, just to clarify, when you say the -- are you referring to a 25% increase in -- from Cartagena? Or do you want more clarification on how the exports are behaving in Central America and the Caribbean?

Vanessa Quiroga

analyst
#16

I think both, both would be very relevant.

Camilo Restrepo

executive
#17

All right. So we've had an increase because we've -- we're now dispatching cement directly to Houston, and that accounts for a big part. But we have also been working on increasing our exports from the Cartagena plant and also in other areas of the Caribbean and other countries. So that also turns into a larger number of exports. So we have third-party clients in the U.S. that we're serving both from Cartagena and also through trading and then we also have exports that we're doing from Honduras to Guatemala and also exports that we're doing from Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico to some of the other islands in territories in the Caribbean, plus what we normally do out of the Cartagena to serve our markets in the Caribbean and Central America.

Vanessa Quiroga

analyst
#18

If I could have a third quick question. So if I understand correctly, your focus will be on deleveraging and continue to work in more efficiency and maybe some divestments. Do you expect to be active on the acquisition side?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#19

Vanessa, for 2021, we are fully concentrating on executing our divestment plan and continue improving the operational results of the company.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#20

The next question comes from Xintong Ouyang from On Field Research.

Xintong Ouyang

analyst
#21

So I've got 3. The first one is, if you could kindly provide us a little bit color on the price inflation, cement price inflation expected in Florida and the South -- the rest of South Atlantic and North Atlantic, it will be very helpful. And then the second one is on the ready-mix concrete prices in Texas. Just wondering, would you see some kind of margin expansion as you have a cost advantage versus competitors who are importing from Colombia? And then the third one is it would be great to understand what kind of energy deflation you've achieved in 2020. And also what kind of inflation you're expecting in 2021 for cement, please?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#22

Thank you for your question, Xintong. I would like Bill to answer the first 2 questions for you.

William Wagner

executive
#23

Yes. Thank you, Xintong. As far as price inflation, specifically, I think your question was around Florida on the cement side. So we are -- we continue to pursue pretty aggressive price increases this year. We're projecting increases in all of our markets and specifically in Florida, maybe a bit higher than some of the other markets. And prices have already gone into effect in that market. And as far as the concrete prices in Texas, we're looking for some low single-digit growth there. We're changing a little bit of our focus on our portfolio mix. So we're shifting a little bit from commercial to residential and civil. And that's having a bit of an impact on our price. It's a pretty competitive market, but we feel pretty good about our opportunities this year.

Xintong Ouyang

analyst
#24

And also just a quick follow-up on the pricing for cement. What about the rest of the South Atlantic and North Atlantic? I assume they're less aggressive than Florida. But a little bit color over there would be nice.

William Wagner

executive
#25

Yes. I mean we're expecting it to be a little bit less aggressive in Florida. So yes, your point is exactly right. But we do see some pricing inflation opportunities there for us. So -- and again, we have already pushed forward in that direction.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#26

I will answer the last question, Xintong. I mean we got savings of close to $7 million because of the energy lower prices in 2020. We have a low exposure to pet coke in our geographies and the only country where we use pet coke is Honduras. So in the reality, we are not expecting such a high impact of the cost inflation in energetics in 2021 because of our mix of fuels in all the other regions.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#27

The next question comes from Alberto Valerio from UBS.

Alberto Valerio

analyst
#28

First, if you could provide some color on the price dynamics, mainly in Colombia that we see some weakness in this quarter. And also, my second question comes about the market recovery. What should we expect in United States, Central America and Colombia? And what stage we are at the moment?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#29

Thank you, Alberto. I mean we didn't see any price declines in Colombia. We were very successful with the continuation of our pricing recovery strategy in Colombia in spite of the lower volumes because of COVID. And we are seeing that January and February started very strong in terms of volumes on the market in Colombia. So we have not foreseen any reversal in our price strategy in Colombia. The reality is that the market reached the leverage of 2019 in the last 5 month of 2020. So in our opinion, most likely, the market in Colombia will be higher in 2021 than it was in 2019 because all of the stimulus that the government is placing into infrastructure and housing. So in Colombia, we are quite comfortable with the execution of our pricing strategy going forward. In Central America and the Caribbean, I mean, the recovery of our major markets has been impressive. We ended up with higher volumes in markets such as the Dominican Republic and Haiti. And the recovery in Honduras was impressive, the -- our sales ended up decreasing less than 5% during the year. And the reality is that the last quarter of last year was very good in terms of volumes and started strong in 2021 as well. We are seeing a potential for a slight price recovery in Honduras as well because of the strong demand. The only market in Central America and the Caribbean where the market is still depletes is Panama. But in reality is that the lockdown of the first 2 weeks of 2021, volumes have started to improve a little bit in February. Prices are stable and in all of our markets, I mean the price dynamics was positive. And in the U.S., we are foreseeing a strong demand as well. The reality is that January was a very good month and February before the cold front was extremely well -- was doing very well. So the reality is that we are seeing an opportunity to continue at least increasing prices at par with inflation still in the U.S. in 2021.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#30

The next question comes from Roberto Paniagua from Corficolombiana.

Roberto Paniagua

analyst
#31

Can you hear me?

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#32

Yes, Roberto.

Roberto Paniagua

analyst
#33

I have 2 questions. The first one, maybe if you can tell us which consolidated EBITDA margin you have in mind in the future with the current savings? And the second question is, which will be your price strategy per region in 2021?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#34

Thank you, Roberto. I mean our goal is to get a consolidated margin indexes of 20%. We are making good strides in margins improvement in the U.S. We are starting to see a recovery in Colombia. And as we've mentioned before, the dynamics in Central America and the Caribbean are starting to improve as well. So our target is to at least 20% in the midterm. And can you repeat your second question, please?

Roberto Paniagua

analyst
#35

Yes, sure. I want to know which will be your price strategy per region in 2021.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#36

Our strategy will continue to be -- to record pricing in Colombia, Panama, Honduras and when demand allow us to continue that strategy, and we're seeing that -- I mean, we will continue with our value strategy in all of our markets.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#37

The next question comes from Steffania Mosquera from CrediCorp.

Steffania Mosquera

analyst
#38

My first question is regarding your divestment plan. Can you give us some details of the advance of the plan? And do you maintain the $400 million divestment guidance? And the second question is regarding the minority interest that we had this quarter. It was almost 70%. So I would like to understand the driver for this figure.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#39

Thank you, Steffania. We'll continue with the same guidance of at least $400 million of divestments. I mean the first one that we have in the pipeline is the divestment of our ready-mix assets in Dallas and it is going -- the process is going very well, and we expect to finish the transaction before the end of the second quarter. For the second question, I would like Carlos Yusty to give you the explanation.

Carlos Calero

executive
#40

Thanks, Juan. Steffania, I think that is very important to take into account that during this quarter, we are including the provision for the DPA of $20 million in the case of the U.S. For that reason, when you see the number of the minority interest versus the preview of the number about that really, the percentage is very high because, obviously, the DPA was made in the U.S. and in that region, we have no minority interest. For that reason, it sounds big. And the other reason is because we are reflecting in this quarter asset -- a positive tax provision in the case of our operation in Puerto Rico. And it is because we -- remember that we are converting our plant in Puerto Rico from a fully integrated plant to a hybrid operation. For that reason, and because of our projections are really good in that operation, we are recognizing a positive tax provision in the case of Puerto Rico for the reason -- for the DPA and for the positive tax provision of Puerto Rico, the minority interest in this quarter is higher than usual.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#41

The next question comes from Froylan Mendez from JPMorgan.

Fernando Froylan Mendez Solther

analyst
#42

Firstly, on margins. For 2021, given the balance of headwinds from the energy side that we could expect this year, those savings that you mentioned that you expect to maintain, do you believe that the 18.7% EBITDA margin reported in 2020 is an adequate run rate for this year? And secondly, in the U.S., can you expand on the performance of your markets for cement? I mean we saw your volumes coming in a little bit weaker than what we have seen for other U.S. peers that share some of your footprint, especially in the west. And secondly, also in the U.S. You mentioned to be rebalancing your portfolio to increase exposure to residential and infrastructure. Can you explain to us if this shift implies moving to markets where you were not before or is this only shifting clients within the same region? And what is the impact on margins from this?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#43

Thank you, Froylan. I mean the first one, yes, we expect our margins to continue improving in 2021. I mean the reality is that we saw for [indiscernible] in terms of impact on lower volumes in Colombia and Central America and the Caribbean because of the pandemic. So the recovery of those volumes will greatly improve our consolidated margins in 2021. In terms of more color on the U.S., I would like Bill Wagner to provide you with the answer.

William Wagner

executive
#44

Sure, Froylan. So with respect to your question on volumes, so most of the impact that we had in our footprint on the cement side was in Texas and in wholesale. So we had taken some news on wholesale. They have moved outside of our sales profile, especially in the northeast. So I think you saw in the commentary of the strength in the sales in the south. So the south was actually very strong. So overall, I think the main impact was wholesale. And we actually have a pretty strong plan in place to recover some of that volume this year. And then on the -- I think your other question, if I heard it correctly, was with respect to residential. In terms of the shift from commercial to residential, I mean, some of that was the weakening in the commercial sector and because we wanted to participate more in-depth in infrastructure and in residential, civil improved in all of our current markets, and we've also improved in residential. So our shift went from almost 27% last year in residential to almost 37% this year and 8% in civil to 12.7%. In our opinion, that's a better balance. Usually, the way that we try to organize our residential business because it's more about demand and when customers are asking for their product, and we found a better balances to do the residential work maybe later in the day and the commercial work earlier in the morning. So we've had pretty good success shifting that and also being able to take advantage of the stronger residential market. So again, as far as the margin, I think you asked the question about margin. In some of our markets, the margins are stronger in residential than they are in commercial. So overall, we think we have a more positive impact by changing that balance.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#45

The next question comes from Gordon Lee from BTG.

Gordon Lee

analyst
#46

I have a couple of questions. The first is on the U.S. I was wondering if you could let us know how disruptive to your operations, the recent weather in Texas and in the southeast was. And whether you think that happened early enough in the quarter that any lost volumes will be recovered in the first quarter. Or do you think it's something that will impact your numbers once the quarter ends? And then the second question was thinking a little bit about the outlook for the U.S., the expectation that the U.S. and various markets, including many on the East Coast and the Gulf Coast will start importing more materially. Do you think there's room for an upward surprise to pricing across Central America and the Caribbean, just as that cement sort of heads north perhaps leaving some -- some markets sort of undersupplied and maybe a lot more tight than we've seen in the last few years?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#47

Thank you, Gordon. And I would let Bill answer your 2 questions.

William Wagner

executive
#48

Yes, Gordon. I guess it's a tail of 2 situations because our footprint is kind of spread fairly diverse, as you know. But in Texas, in particular, as that front hit us for the better part of a week. I mean the temperatures went down into 0 to negative in terms of windchill. So all of our operations through Dallas and a good bit of Houston were frozen for the better part of a week. So the production lost in those markets was about 4.5 days to 5 days. Interestingly enough, it was almost 80 degrees in Houston today. So we've gotten the plants back up and running this past week. Our operating teams did a fantastic job. Just as fast as we could, trying to default the plants and the trucks to get them back on the road. And as of this conversation, we are overbooked today and very, very strong demand, as you might imagine, trying to play catch-up for the days lost. So in general, I expect a small impact, but not something that we can't recover from as long as there's consistency in the weather for the balance of the quarter. And then the other area that was affected was Martinsburg, which is up in the Northeast, and that particular storm, along with the other storm that preceded that dumped a good bit of snow and some pretty cold temperatures as well. But even with that, that operation was still able to operate and did not close fully. And so we don't think that's going to have a significant impact on the quarter as long as something doesn't happen between now and then to change that. So the southeast, it kind of went right over the operations in the south. So Florida was affected a little bit by rain. The southeast was affected a little bit by rain. But as I said, I think we can handle that part because we've dealt with rain for the last 2, 3 years. So again, we're very encouraged and optimistic about what's happening with demand, and we think that, that's not going to have a big impact on us in the quarter.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#49

Yes. Just to add some color your answer. I mean the good thing, Gordon, is that January was as good as you can expect in the U.S. It was our best January in a very long time. So the reality is that, that will mitigate the impact that Bill is mentioning in Texas in the 1 week that we lost in February.

Gordon Lee

analyst
#50

Perfect. Perfect. That's very clear. And then maybe following on from that, just to repeat the question. Given how strong the outlook is for the U.S. and for the potential for more and more volumes to be imported to source -- to supply that growth, do you think that we might actually see for this year or next year, very strong pricing kicking through in the Caribbean and in Central America that we really haven't seen in the past and that I guess, we're not expecting at present? It would seem to me that, that's the market that could go very quickly to being pretty tight if the U.S. really does start importing significant volumes.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#51

I mean the reality, Gordon, is at least in Honduras, which is one of our main markets, we are already seeing a strong pick in demand that combined with what you are saying that export is going to the U.S. instead to Central America and the Caribbean will help the momentum of prices in the region. So yes, for sure, Central America and the Caribbean will benefit further importing increase in the U.S.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#52

The next question comes from Francisco Suarez from Scotiabank.

Francisco Suarez

analyst
#53

Let me ask you some questions. The first one relates with portfolio integration and capacity utilizations that you have in Florida, particularly. It's my understanding -- or correct me if I'm wrong that you have 2 kilns in Newberry. So the question is if you have already those 2 kilns up and running? In other words, I would like to understand the capacity utilization that you have over there. And of course, you have a wonderful set of additional grinding terminals in Florida as well. So perhaps, is this the time where we start to see much more exports going to Florida as well and taking advantage of that set of branded mills that you have in Florida as well?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#54

Thank you for the question, Paco. Yes, you are absolutely right. And Bill will provide you with additional color.

William Wagner

executive
#55

Yes, Francisco, I mean, the question, if I understood correctly, so we do have 2 kilns in Newberry. Depending on the demand, we have the option to run the second kiln, and we are doing that. I mean it's been -- it was in operation last year and it is now. The utilization rate is 70 -- up around 70%. So we do have some upside there. So I think any increase in demand, we have plenty of capacity to take care of that. Your point about the grinding terminals is also a good question. I don't really have the specific information around the -- in terms of the amount. But it's something that we're looking at in terms of an opportunity for us. At that point, I think that's all I can say that it's an opportunity and that we've looked into it. And we think that Tampa is a very efficient operation. So we're pretty competitive there. So I think once we put that strategy in place and finalize it, we can maybe give a little bit more color on that.

Francisco Suarez

analyst
#56

Got you. And a follow-up on that. Do you think that you still have spare capacity in Cartagena to fit more cement if required in Florida as well with your branded mills? Or that is a little bit constrained given that you are already sourcing Houston?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#57

No, Paco. I mean we are fully booked in Cartagena. [ We have ] 300,000 additional tons in the second half of the year, but we will be completely booked as well.

Francisco Suarez

analyst
#58

Got you. And my last question, if I may, on Colombia. Do you see any regional differences that we have to take into account in terms of how easy is to cut that gap with import parity prices in Colombia? Is it most likely to occur within the Antioquia region or in Cali, it is a little bit tougher on the market? Any color that you may share on how easy might be to recover a little bit your overall prices regionally?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#59

Sure, Paco. I mean in reality, we think that there is an opportunity to continue closing the gap. These are import parities in northern regions in Colombia. But Juan Enrique can give you a little bit more color about the difference among the regions.

Juan Enrique Navarro Vargas

executive
#60

Yes. It's quite different. The opportunity, as Juan said, is in regions, but we expect that it could be better in the north region and in the southwest region. The central region competition is much tougher. And there's a lot of competitors and suppliers there. And in Antioquia region, as well with the new entrant of Molins, it could be a bit tougher as well. So there is more or less southwest and north region with better opportunities in that sense.

Operator

operator
#61

The next question comes from Carlos Rodríguez from Porvenir.

Carlos Enrique Rodríguez

analyst
#62

I got 3 questions. The first one is a follow-up regarding Cartagena. And I want to know the current status of the wet line in Colombia. You said that you're fully booked in Cartagena, but my question is, are you using this wet line? Or what is the current status of this asset? My second question is, what is your expectation about the cost of electricity, coal and transportation in the 3 regions? And my third and last question is a follow-up on the minority interest. And I want to know the assets that you consolidate, but not fully own. And what should we expect going forward for the minority interest in the P&L?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#63

Thank you, Carlos. I will answer the first one. I mean we will restart kiln numbers in Cartagena, which is wet kiln, but very, very competitive. So we will be adding 300,000 tons of additional clinker capacity to Cartagena, probably the first week of May. We have been working on that because the reality is that we could export many more tons, not the ones that we are exporting already, and we're expanding the port as well. So there is a very good opportunity to increase the exports out of Cartagena in the near future. I will let Carlos Yusty to answer your second and third questions.

Carlos Calero

executive
#64

Okay, Juan. The second, Carlos is about the cost electricity, isn't it?

Carlos Enrique Rodríguez

analyst
#65

Yes, your expectation is about the cost in the 2 regions, electricity coal and transportation.

Carlos Calero

executive
#66

Okay. Just to give a general idea about the costs in the energetics model in electricity, really, we are working in our budget for this year in barrel of about -- between a range of $260, $265 per barrel. In the case of the coal in the Colombia is going up because that is the reality. We have some contracts but probably in the reality, the price will be up at around 5% in the case of the Colombia. And in the case of the Central American, really it only affects the Honduras operation because it's where we operate with pet coke, and the pet coke has increased during the end of 2020. But we have all into our budget really. And when Juan Esteban answered the question of the margin that we are expecting for 2021, and he said that is over 20%, that includes all these changes and changes in the price of the energetic spread of coal or in the case of the U.S. the oil, yes. And regarding the minority interest, we are recognizing the -- a shortlist is the 40% in the case of the 40% -- in the case of the -- our operation in Honduras, the 20% of cement was Panama, the 40% of Puerto Rico, the 30% in Haiti and 20% in Dominican Republic. And what we can expect for the near future really just to -- we have to exclude the tax -- the positive tax provision that we mentioned before. And for the rest of this operation, really, they are growing because the Honduras, in particular, for the 2020, we're expecting a very good year. In the case of Panama, probably 2020 was not a very good year but really a very fast year. For that reason for the 2020, we're expecting a very good change versus the previous year. And in the case of the Puerto Rico, because of the change in our operational from a particularly integrated plant to a hybrid operation, we're expecting a very good change in terms of EBITDA as well. And in Dominican Republic, Dominican Republic has been doing very well during the last year. So probably the trend continues this year. And in Haiti, where really the market is going well. The situation, particularly, is what would happen with the exchange rate of the gourdes, the local currency. But in general, we are expecting that the minority interest will grow. But while we are expecting that in the net income, excuse me, grow more than the minority interest.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#67

The next question comes from Juliana Aguilar from Bancolombia.

Juliana Aguilar Vargas

analyst
#68

I have 2 questions. My first one is regarding the U.S. I was wondering if you could give us a bit more color about your perspective for this region. And when do you expect to reach pre-COVID levels in terms of volumes? And my second question is regarding Colombia. Do you expect your market share to remain stable versus current levels? Or do you expect to further recover market share this year?

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#69

Thank you, Juliana. We are very optimistic and bullish about the U.S. Last year, our operational EBITDA of $250 million was the best in the history of the company in the U.S. We are expecting that 2021 to be even better. We are bullish on volumes. I think that there are -- tailwinds have been working for us, and the reality is that the fundamentals will help the business to recover pre-COVID levels in our opinion in 2021. So I mean, we are fully optimistic about the result of the U.S. In terms of our market position in Colombia, because the infrastructure segment of the market and the housing segment of the market are going to perform very strong in 2021, we should be able to recover our market position to pre-COVID levels in 2021 as well. We have high expectations for the recovery for our markets in Colombia this year. And we ended up the year in December, I mean, in the last quarter of last year in a very good competitive position. So we are bullish on Colombia as well in 2021.

Carolina Londoño Correa

executive
#70

Juan, that was our last question.

Juan Esteban Calle Restrepo

executive
#71

So once again, thank you very much for connecting to our conference call and looking forward to the first call of the 2021 of the first quarter. Have a great day, and thank you for your interest in Cementos Argos.

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