Contango Silver & Gold Inc. (CTGO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 2, 2024

NYSE American US Materials m_and_a 58 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#1

And has the room is filling up, I'm just going to go ahead and get started. So I'll say good morning, good afternoon, good evening, depending on where in the world we're standing in from today. It looks like quite an international audience. So thanks, everyone, for joining us. I say we've got a very exciting event. Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse, President and CEO of Contango Ore; and Darwin Green, President and CEO of HighGold. Gentlemen, welcome. Thanks for joining me today.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#2

Good to be here. Thank you, Sid for hosting this conference. I think we're both excited and I think you know Darwin. You know me from Contango. So appreciate everybody joining us today and to talk about our recent proposal to acquire HighGold and their exciting Johnson Creek project. Of course, we will be making forward-looking statements to draw your attention to our cautionary language here. And just want to start out by talking about Manh Choh quickly. We continue to mine ore at Manh Choh and stockpile it and transport it to the Fort Knox mill. Last I checked, there was over 100,000 tonnes of ore stockpile there and about 15,000 tons coming every week. So, we're still scheduled for production in the first -- second half of the year, but I think we're shooting for first color in July. So that kind of forms the backdrop because that will generate cash flow and allow us to advance not only more exploration at Manh Choh, Lucky Shot, and our hope is to do the same with the JT prospect project and on HighGold is. And obviously, we've got to get the transaction close. So -- with that, we now have a platform to have 3 mines in Alaska, looking at the prospect of having 3 mines as Manh Choh, very near-term production. Our Lucky Shot project, we've talked about a washing repeat of Manh Choh, except we own 100% of that one. And now Johnson Tract. And they're all high-quality projects, all in Alaska, which we -- I think we intermitting on this as well, but I think a great jurisdiction to work in. Yes, absolutely, and great lines of projects. Just start with a map that shows everything. The Rescar, Fort Knox mill, the Goldstar near the Yukon board there is the Manh Choh project, again, expecting to be in production shortly and generating very, very strong cash flows. Our Lucky Shot project we're get just a little bit north of acreage there, about 2 or 5 north of acreage. 100,000 ounces outline there. Again, good grades near infrastructure. And Darwin, why don't you go ahead and introduce Johnson Tract.

Darwin Green

executive
#3

Yes. Well, a system that we've generated or defined over 1 million ounces gold equivalent at 9.4 grams per tonne gold equivalent. It's very well located right next to Tidewater. And it's very fast and a positive. That's really what differentiates it from the crowd. It's high-grade and fat, 40 meters true width. And we see a lot of opportunity to find a lot more.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#4

So Darwin just went through the numbers. I mean it really is a spectacular deposit, not just from the grade, it rates great, but the true width is -- this is one of the things that really impresses me. And you want an ore body that will be as easy to mine as possible, and I think this fits that prescription very well. Obviously, the critical metals aspect of it is an interesting one to talk to in today's world.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#5

Darwin, why don't you take this one on?

Darwin Green

executive
#6

Yes. No, for sure. And I think it kind of sets the stage a little bit for why this transaction makes so much sense in terms of a business model we see that we've seen Contango execute perfectly with the Manh Choh project, where you have a high-grade deposit that can overcome the cost of shipping some distance to an existing mill facility. In that case, it's a joint venture with Kinross and it's going to the Fort Knox mine. This is exactly -- for anyone who's been following our story exactly what we've been talking about. We've kind of been independently pursuing the same opportunity. The beauty of being on tidewater is really the ocean's highway anywhere. There are several hungry mills in sort of Alaska on the coast and Northern BC, but there's also opportunities for their field in Asia. And it gives you a lot of optionality in terms of developing a project and end up leading to products that are a lot lower capital cost to build, have a lot smaller environmental footprint and fundamentally a lot quicker to reach the finish line, which I think is one of the key advantages of this business model.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#7

I'll just add in one of the other opportunities in terms of who might process this or the smelters are another group. We have got grade and the smelters like flex. This is the kind of material that they like. So, I will just add that one too, it's not just existing mills, but the smelter groups as well.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#8

Maybe I'll just start here. We think this is a win-win transaction. We're going to create a company that has exposure now to 1.6 million ounces of gold equivalent. That's a threefold increase from where Contango sits today, and it gives us -- we're very bullish on the gold market. I don't want to get distracted on macro issues, but it's clear that the gold market is -- the gold price is ahead of the equity valuation. So having more exposure to gold, I think, is the right thing, right move for Contango to make.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#9

And then I'll let Darwin speak to the slide as well.

Darwin Green

executive
#10

Yes. I mean, from my perspective, I think the business model makes a lot of sense. I think in a market where capital is hard to come by, it's a beautiful merit for you, you can get basically self-fund organically, the advancement in the development of projects. That really gives you a whole lot of strength, a lot more strength than most of the peers in the early-stage development space, and it's a beautiful pipeline of projects here. So increased ounce count, multiple projects and a great platform for growth. That's one of the things I like. And added to that, there's still a tremendous amount of exploration upside on this portfolio of properties.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#11

Yes. Darwin and I are both fundamentally explores and your geologists at heart, and that's what drives all of our decision-making is driven by the geology, not by a spreadsheet or something. So I'm going to let you speak to this in the course.

Darwin Green

executive
#12

Yes. No, for sure. I mean, it's -- obviously, when you look at these deals, there's an immediate upfront premium to shareholders, and this is speaking directly to the benefits of the HighGold shareholders. And going into this, we certainly have been strategically thinking for quite a while on the HighGold side, and it's -- we like this premium. We've been trading in the -- really over the last 6 months and were from $0.20 to $0.35. And this is a deal that's being done at $0.55. So we think there's a very immediate upside win for our shareholders. But that's really not what this is about. This is about forming a company that I think you get early participation in an emerging gold producer that I think is going to be leading the path in terms of high-grade gold. It's hard to beat. The project profile that I think this combined entity has. And again, that strength of having that cash flow to fund that development and advancement of those projects. It's got to be unique story. And I don't -- I just don't think you can get a big fit, right? Like if you look at strategically, there's a lot of deals done out there in the market. Some make some sense, some you really scratch your head on. This is one I think anyone can look at and see the strategic fit from a jurisdiction, from teams that know how to develop in Alaska from the profile of deposits themselves, the combined grade of now pushing over 1 million ounces. And fundamentally, all have the same opportunity for DSO-type development. Further, I think we've been in a market over the last 2 months, gold traded above 2,100. We're still not seeing a lot of inflows into the funds and that dilution risk that hangs out there, that perpetual overhang on the Junior Explorer that has a single asset. And you've got a huge discount because of that, whereas if you're a producer with cash flow, it's the opposite. And so I think this is a deal where it's 1 plus 1 equals 3 or 4. It's a win for HighGold shareholders. It's a win for Contango shareholders.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#13

Yes. I would just add, the market doesn't always reward things. It's -- and I think that's the case here. There's been a lot of great work done by the HighGold team and advancing a project. And -- but the loan curve is accurate. It's an accurate fit and accurate description of what happens and particularly in tough markets. And there's no question that we've had a very tough market for the last several years. So -- as Darwin says, I think this is a 1 plus 1 is 3 story. So we're very excited to get this combination done.

Darwin Green

executive
#14

One last point on that, Rick there, too, is I think the exposure to the US market, the NYC American listing is actually the age advantages, particularly for American-based assets. And I think when the gold bull run does come, I am a believer that will have entity happen. I mean, there's not that many equity issuers on the NYSE that are in the gold space and the junior market, and you're going to get, I think, an outsized increase in share price as a response to that funneling of those dollars when that venture happens.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#15

Yes, that's a great point, and we certainly see a lot more liquidity in the US markets than we are seeing in Canada. And the Russell 2000 exposure certainly adds to that liquidity. I won't go through this in any detail. It's a plan of arrangement. We've talked about the premium and the Board going forward. Really pleased to have Darwin on the Board when this is all said and done. Obviously, we do want shareholder votes support. So we want to explain why this is a really good deal for both companies. Darwin, over to you.

Darwin Green

executive
#16

Yes. I mean this is -- obviously, I love this project. Yes, there's not very many assets that carry these kind of attributes. It's a rare combination of grade and thickness. We've talked about it before, but it really is something you unique because that translates directly to lower cost mining, simpler mining, very, very attractive and rare combination to have -- it is polymetallic. So one of the questions you asked is what about the metallurgy, and that's something we spent a fair bit of time on this project really significantly derisking the project. So we have the metallurgy, it's good, good recoveries, the high-grade concentrates that will be in demand. Social license, another big question. We are on native core land, Alaska a regional late Portlands and we selected specifically termining and they're going to receive direct economic benefits. And I do think in this modern era, the U.S. is a great place to be in the State of Alaska particular is great place to be.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#17

This is awesome looking core.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#18

Some duty intersections for sure. There's more of it out there. There's no doubt.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#19

Yes. This is -- people ask why do you like this project. Well, this is why we like this project, it's a great high-quality asset and grades, but over good thicknesses. And as Darwin says, you've got 40 meters of this kind of look and stuff, that's pretty awesome to mine.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#20

Maybe explain who series being why they're important.

Darwin Green

executive
#21

Yes. So Series are partner on the property. They actually have the landowners, the middle rights owners here. Siri is an Alaska regional native corporation. They're one of 12 land-based native corporation regional native corporations in Alaska. And Alaska is, it's got a really unique way that it settled in Digital's land claims incredibly progressive. It was done about 50 years ago. And I think it's the model system anywhere globe, to be honest. And so what happen out of that for those that don't know, basically, they created these 4 profit corporate entities, these large regional corporations. They were then able to select lands with natural resource potential. And then we can stewards of those lands to develop them, and they become quite good business entities in the process and some of Alaska's biggest deposits and mines are actually currently being developed on native corp lands. So, great grit to work with, a very sophisticated group, wonderful relationship there. They will get royalties from this project if it goes in production.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#22

I'll just comment a little bit here that I used to work for Anaconda back in the late '70s and '80s and Series 4 partnership with Anaconda and it was out of that joint venture partnership that deposits like Johnson Tract were found. So my history here goes that goes back a ways too, and we got a fairly know the people at Siri, know the deposit well. My background in lasted a lot of Alaska Native Corporations leadership. So I think the good work and high goals done, we'll just build on that. Do you want me to talk to this one, Rick?

Darwin Green

executive
#23

Yes, go ahead. Yes. Yes. Just kind of more of a location at. We are -- Alaska is well endowed with minerals. So a lot of them are not close to infrastructure. We consider the ocean infrastructure because it's a highway to anywhere in terms of marine transportation, where recently close to Anchorage and other communities on the Canine peninsula, I mean in this workflow close enough of hand, but we're not right close to any particular community. So kind of that perfect distance. The history here is quite interesting, right? The native park selected their labs and you'll see we surrounded by a part, but that part was created after the land selection occurred and Siri and other native corps were willing participants in that process and in fact, relinquished quite a bit of land to help its creation, but really on the strict and sole provision that they'd be able to mine here. The only reason they selected this land was its mining potential. And so in addition to the land, they haven't eased and right written to federal law for a port and road. So the core asset is sitting down, like the deposit is sitting on that darker-colored portion of the property there. But it's a huge amount of regional land north and south that covers similar geology that's been underexplored that we like as well.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#24

And there's a nice view of the deposit. It's just behind the hill the mountain there is deep country, but you can see where the camp and the airstrip is located. The next real step in developing the project is the access road over to the proposed portal site and work -- that is work that's underway to get that first permitted and then get underground and drill the heck out of this thing for -- to develop a mine plan. Darwin, any other comments on this?

Darwin Green

executive
#25

Yes. Just basically, lots of flight around to work with here and the deposit is actually sitting -- it's been drilled to the depth of the valley floor. It's a bit counterintuitive for most people to think you'd actually go up to your deposit. But the tunnel we're looking at going in, the ramp exploration ramp, we'll get into the bottom of the deposit. And I think the next slide might speak to that.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#26

Yes, you see the 3 dimensional view here in the location of the deposit [indiscernible] long tunnel. That mountain behind is the one that we're seeing in the photo there from overlooking camp in the air script. And so the mountain goes up and the drill holes have to go deeper, and that gets expensive and to bolster just exploration and for infill drilling. So that really is the next step here. And Darwin and his team have progressed the permitting on that to -- is moving along, but that is really the next step here. And this is just more of a longitudinal view that shows the decline access point, as Darwin says, you're about the valley floor. That makes for easier amount of water to deal with. And -- but you can see the exploration upside here is significant. But it requires a lot of capital to get that underground development in. It can be used for exploration, but also obviously can use as a main haulage tunnel designed appropriately, and that certainly would be the plan -- and we don't have an exact number, but it's probably in the range of $25 million to get that infrastructure in place to be able to talk about how you develop a mine plan around this. I don't know, Darwin, if you have any other comments?

Darwin Green

executive
#27

No, I think you did a good lot of job of capturing it. But you can see the benefits there starting at the bottom of mining your way up as well. The ore passes to drop your ore down. Most of that deposits all sit in one big chunk. It's very attractive that way. But there is a lot more to be found at depth. Some of it's in display deeper down in the idiosyncratic challenging to drill from surface. So the ramp makes all the -- onto the world of the stage in the project development.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#28

And I will definitely let you speak to this one.

Darwin Green

executive
#29

Okay. Yes. I mean, I think for us -- and Rick and I know you've tracked this project for a long time. It's -- there's very clear regional exploration upside. In addition to Johnson Tract, we've already discovered a second system called the Ellison, it's clones the Northeast, where we have some very spectacular numbers and we followed up on it, and it's growing. It hasn't grown quite at the pace of JT yet, but it defined clearly that there's opportunity for multiple deposits and style mineralization. JT is clearly present or the conditions that were present to allow its formation are more light spread on the property. And so last summer, we flew for the first time on regional survey. It's an MT survey and we did some pretty sophisticated processing with that. And what it did is it kind of was a one-to-one detect of the areas that we knew we had mineralization. And then there were a lot of areas in between those known areas of mineralization that we're under covered under gravel or in the valley floor and we saw very comparable looking anomaly. So we see a lot of opportunity for future growth here. Separate in addition to that and sort of as you go to the north or 2 bull's-eye targets, it's hard to get an appreciation for scale here. We're about 12 kilometers long as the main trend of epithermal to mineralization. But we think to the north, we have the big, big systems that are intrusive driven based on multiple layers of data. So it's kind of a unique project in that we've established critical amounts, we think, on that deposit itself and ready to get underground and pursue that advanced exploration phase, but this is this regional exploration upside as well. And this all requires capital, and I think merging a company together like this allows one to do both at the same time.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#30

I'll just add, it's definitely a district, an early developing district of scale. And when you look at our land lease and the Manh Choh project and the exploration upside that's available there on private land owned by atrium, our Lucky Shot, we control the lion's share of the Willow Creek district. District has produced over 1 million ounces of alluvial gold, and we have demonstrated high grades of low potential money there. This adds a nice solid third leg of the stool as far as district exploration goes. I think we'll wrap it up there and turn it over to a Q&A period.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#31

Awesome. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Now there are tons and tons of great audience questions. So I'm going to keep in mind to just a couple, just things that we can run through before we jump to those audience questions. I'm going to start, Rick, with you. What made HighGold the most attractive acquisition of all the deniers available? And almost as importantly, why was now the right time?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#32

Yes. Well, I think not just being the right comment. We're on the cost of generating cash flow. We have a very high degree of confidence that, that go forward is going to take place, and we're going to make -- start to get money coming in the other direction. So cash flow for a junior company is I don't say it's king. I think grade is king, but cash flow is queen. And in terms of why HighGold versus other things, it meets our 3 criteria that we've been talking about for looking for opportunities. It's not great. It's got infrastructure. As Darwin just said, it's on the water. So -- and most importantly, for a junior company, in my opinion, is the ability to permit something. So you have to have a simple, relatively simple project, an open pit in the bottom of a big river valley is not a simple project. We're mining -- this project would be mining above you. Eventually, you may find more stuff deeper, but -- and you can worry about what the permitting and all the other things that need to get done for that. But to start off with, it's a relatively simple project to permit not access down to the port which is hardwired with siri and then a tunnel into the mountain where ore body is above you and it's the fat GCOR body. It can't get better than that.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#33

Here you go. Darwin, on the flip side, with a significant deposit and existing exploration upside, what made you and your team decide that now is the right time to do a transaction?

Darwin Green

executive
#34

Yes, good question. I mean it's -- I think, as Rick touched a little earlier, a little bit of this on curve challenge in the space, and we're a little bit different because I think we can shorten that dramatically as part of our business model. But we've put a lot of work to get to critical size threshold and Rick dropped the number of, say, $25 million to get underground or something big bills to come to really move this forward. And the reality is the market is going to keep you down. It's going to hold you down and it knows you need to raise that money. And it's going to really going to give you a huge discount to the NAV of your project and where it should be. And so for us, we -- we've been thinking strategically for a while about the path forward. You don't want to language and just be kind of hand to medically financing and we did actually look and evaluate quite a number of different strategic alternatives. And this was a very, very obvious fit. Like I don't think we can get a better fit in terms of great profile of assets, business model, jurisdiction, Rick's got a tremendous amount of history in the state, ensuring we're kind of moving the project in a hands that we trust and are going to move forward that are a good fit with Siri Alaska in general were critically important to us. So yes, we've got a great premium off a baseline right now, but it's really about, to me, this timing was the right timing to get in with Rick as they're about to re-rate as they become a producer and it's we're at the front of a good gold market. And I think a story that people can get behind where you get early participation of an emerging new gold producer with an awesome profile of gold deposits.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#35

Great. And in the same -- adjacent to that, in your esteem, why do you think HighGold shareholders should maintain or grow their position at this time?

Darwin Green

executive
#36

Well, a lot of the same reasons. I mean I think it is a pretty unique business opportunity right here that's been presented, right? I think in my view, in the space, there's not a lot of other peers that kind of have this kind of a business model. And I think to be able to get in on it early, as we are prior to Contango actually hitting full gold production here and sort of build a growing company around this. And I think there's more of these kinds of opportunities. I'm going to stay on as a director. I'm really committed to the story that I want to see it be a success. And I'm certainly not selling it to that. I think it's a great opportunity for shareholders. If guys want to want to do something else, that's fine. But I actually think this is a very, very unique growth story that's a very compelling investment opportunity for share.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#37

Great. And actually speaking of your business model, I know there's a lot of investors in the room who are not typically in attendance of Contango events. I was looking enough to talk to you a few weeks ago about the Contango business model. I'd love to hear your perspective on how this acquisition is simpatico with that model.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#38

Yes. So when we -- when Contango discovered Manh Choh, it's a great deposit. It's -- but it's not huge. It's not a 10 million ounce of other. It's 1 million ounces, but it's great, great. And so when we had the decision to make we advance this ourselves or do we partner. And it was clear that partnering with Kinross who had an existing mill, underutilized mill and you have good rates so you can afford to transport it. And that's a key part of any of this whole business model. We're not going to go after 1 grammars that are out in the middle of nowhere. They just -- those are going to sit there for a while. But this -- it saves capital, it saves permitting timeline. It reduces your overall environmental footprint, including things like greenhouse gas measurements that people are paying attention -- investors are paying attention to you now when they decide what do I want to invest in. Those are all part of why this model makes a lot of sense, especially for Alaska, where we don't have a lot of infrastructure. So if you've got to permit a project with infrastructure, and I know this like really well, it's going to take you a long time. It's going to be a long, slow painful process and the market will not stay with you. It just won't. So -- and Darwin mentioned this, this is what's unique about -- HighGold's asset at JT. It's next to the water. Water is your infrastructure. Yes, you got to find somewhere to go processes, but look, we made $50 million or I should say Kinross made $50 million of no modifications to accommodate the Manh Choh ore. So -- but that's a lot less Daconian and building a new $600 million mill with a tailings facility that who knows how long that would take to permit, so...

Darwin Green

executive
#39

So in about like the like -- for Johnson Tract, the way leading vision it is being processed offsite, even your waste rock is going back underground for backfill. So who doesn't like a mine. It's an underground mine where at the end of the day, you plug the portal and you walk away, and there's really no long-term environmental legacy issues that should be attractive to everyone. The world needs the metals. And these are the kind of mines that I think are a great solution to moving forward. And for the capital markets, for the investors, you're not hung out for 10 years wait for stuff to come online. You can actually get these things into a timeline that will maybe bring investors back to our space because in my view, that's one of the fundamental things that's going to kill the appetite for our business. It just takes too long and people -- it's capital structure.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#40

Sure. One way I wanted to talk about, and this is I can cover some of the audience questions as well, certainly not all of them, but some of them. And this will -- will it be really for both of you. I'll start with Rick. I guess does represent another project in Alaska and Contango's portfolio. Look at your perspective on why this jurisdiction is such a sweet spot and your steam and for you personally.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#41

Well, I grew up in Alaska. So I know it really well. I've worked up there a long period of time. I've also worked all over the world. So I do have an appreciation for how things work elsewhere. And that is one of the things that I really appreciate about Alaska, things work well there. The regulatory environment, the regulatory people in Alaska, they understand mines. They know what it takes to permit a mine and they know how to do it so that it's done right. And that's something I don't think that the world appreciates or that we're often -- we -- the US government is off investing in projects in Africa, well, we don't do it right in Africa. I will guarantee you that. So -- and it probably is easier. But when you look at a mine like Red Dog in the partnership between Tech and Nanota has developed over a 30-year period. And what that mine has done for the Northwest Borough region, it's -- first of all, it's not Northwest Borough, its self-governing. That's a native driven governance process. So that's ESG to at -- that's what ESG is supposed to be about. So I think it's high time. I want to get distracted on our government, but that's -- investors need to start realizing that, that if they're truly interested in ESG principles, they need -- those are the metrics they need to really start paying attention to. I'll get off my so far.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#42

No, we put it right up for you, Rick.

Darwin Green

executive
#43

Yes. I think one of the things jurisdictionally, when you do have the level of experience that both Rick and I do in Alaska, it does give you an advantage to understand what will work and what will not work or certainly what has much better odds. There are certain areas that are going to be tougher than just are there are certain areas that are going to be less tough. And this -- the native corp side of things, I mean, it really is a model for the world. It's very unique to Rick's point, and it's a tremendous advantage. And anybody spent any time around the Alaska state government or just generally the people of Alaska ask because they can do a state, they're not looking for and out let's get out there and get it done. So we like it. I like it a lot.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#44

Awesome. One last question out of me before I jump to the audience. So just one last one, guys. Curious, just in detail and as specific as possible, what's up next for the Johnson Tract projects? Like what should investors be looking for in the coming months?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#45

Yes. So and I'll ask Darwin to comment on this as well to fill in the gaps there. But generally, it's infill-drill to known deposit. We want to move this thing, execute our model as quickly as we can. And the next step is permitting and infill drilling and say, on the surface. And so -- there's some surface infill work to do. That's where they can get done this summer. The underground work has to wait to get the permits to get the access over there and the plan for the waste rock and all those things. So maybe Darwin, maybe you can fill in the gaps or add...

Darwin Green

executive
#46

Yes. Yes. I mean we've been very busy doing the borrowing stuff for a little while, which is great stuff to do it in a crappy market, getting a love for it anyways. But there are things that are fundamental derisk in value-add, I think, and then probably helps lead to transactions like this. It means the starting point now is not starting from now and waiting 2 years to get your permit to get underground, your permit to get rover. Literally weeks away from having the road permit Rick was talking about on broad to get us to the portal. We did a lot of work last year to ourselves up to initiate permitting the underground exploration that should be initiated in the last half of this year. We're expecting a lot of the team to stay together here. So there's going to be continuity on the project and with our contractors and be able to move this forward. It's a nice merge that way as well, I think, for the company in terms of personnel and complementary skill sets. But yes, those are big pieces and continue to work on switscoping and engineering is what we've been working on the background as well. And I'm sure Rick and team are going to carry on that and figuring out what's the best destination to be dropping our ore off that. I think there's several options out there, and it's very attractive ore. So there should be folks that are interesting.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#47

I'll just say I'll add one comment to that. And I think I said this several times, we've talked in the past from that 8, 9 grams will displace 5 grams every day.

Darwin Green

executive
#48

I mean I think if you put it very well, Rick, like looking at an show, it's a long ways to track it. They're tracking at about 240 miles, I think, and for Canadians in the audience of 400 kilometers. I think you described as you lose a gram for transportation. When you got a not 8-gram deposit, that's still not too bad, right, for an open pit at 8 grams, 7 grams. So it's grade does give you a lot of flexibility.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#49

Awesome. I know there are tons of audience questions. So I'm going to try to get through as many as possible. Some where they're similar, I'll try to group them, but we'll just go through them mostly in order otherwise, just we can get through as many as possible. BW King, this is for Rick. You once mentioned a royalty angle to Contango. What's the view on that from this point?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#50

Yes, I think that's all a longer-term objective. The first thing -- the first order of business with cash flow from Montreal, we obviously have to pay the bankers back that's some growth. That's the first order of business. But we're going to have a really sweet margin here. And we're not going to go out and spend $25 million this year on JT. It's going to -- it takes time to execute these plans. But long term, strategically, I still like the idea of looking at paying a dividend to shareholders at some point in time.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#51

Appreciate it. A question for Mark, also for Rick. What synergies do you see, if any, with DSO operations at Lucky Shot and Johnson Track? Curious if you can now send Lucky Shot or to other places rather than Fort Knox.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#52

Short answer is, yes. I mean, Lucky Shot can go a long ways of vegan ship by truck, 1 gram out of 8 to Fort Knox and 240 miles. Yes, there's other options out there. And we're -- the first order of business at Lucky Shot is to demonstrate no you said 400,000 to 500,000 ounces of ore that's 12 to 15 gram per tonne kind of range. That's kind of our target. If you have that, you'll be able to put a monthly around that. And part of that mine plan is where is the ore go. We've got rail at Lucky Shot. So that gives you a cheaper way to get it to fair banks, certainly. But there are certainly other projects without naming names, the other -- or sorry, there are other companies out there, mills out there without naming names, it would probably be worth a dialogue or too.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#53

Fair enough. There's a question for Darwin. It combines a few questions. So if anybody in the chat thinks I didn't quite capture theirs with this, let me know. We're curious if HighGold is expecting other bids as well.

Darwin Green

executive
#54

Of course. Hard to say, honestly, and it's an interesting one, right, because it's not always just about premium, but premium is important. And I highlighted at the beginning of a premium plus the ability to really be part of something that I think is a great company going forward. Sometimes it shakes things out. We have a big senior as an endpoint shareholder and there's others that may have interest, but I'll leave it there. Our Board recommended this deal. We look long and hard at some options, and we thought this was a very good deal and a constructive deal for our shareholders.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#55

Mike, if you don't mind me just adding because I want to speak to the high go shareholders. I think what Darwin outlined in the 1 plus 1 is 3 in building a platform being able to exit on this plan, which is our business model is a bit unique. It's a bit more like a royalty company model where you have a fair bit of gold being produced with a small number of people. You have a mine, you're going to have 500 or 600 people reporting to you. So having an operation where the bigger companies are using their existing infrastructure and all their people and all that knowledge that goes into how that mill works and the tailings facility works. That's where the big value add is here in my mind with this model.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#56

Appreciate it. This one, I think we went over a bit, but it might be good to reiterate. Mike, from the audience asked so the focus at the outset on exploration of Johnson Tract really prioritize production via DSO. So if the latter, what's your best estimate on when Johnson Tract to be selling and what are the permitting regulatory hurdles to get there?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#57

Yes, I think it's a bit early to sort of outline the specific timeline. Let us get the access road and the underground permitted, and we can lay out a plan for that, lay out a plan for doing the infill drilling 2-way, I'll call it, a feasibility level of knowledge because there's other stuff you have to do, the metallurgy is good, but we probably need to do a bit more metallurgy and that will depend on where this stuff goes. So that's -- give us some time to outline our plan, we're going to be talking to potential -- I don't know, lack of a better word offtakers. I mean, people where would you process this stuff. So give us some time. It's not in the next couple of years, sort of a story. There's a lot of work to do here, but it is a great ore body, and it lends itself to application of this model to a T.

Darwin Green

executive
#58

And though, I do think time line sync very well with Manh Choh. I mean I think Manh Choh is going to add some more light to it than what you see in front of it, but above and beyond that, I think they are very well synced from what I see to potential timelines that what things could be achievable for sure. And I'm open to Rick's going to be putting some budget to the drilling here and we I'll be on the board, so I'll be voting for it.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#59

Yes. One quick practo question from the chat. People are looking at how they can get a copy of today's slide show just so they can read through it.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#60

It's on our website, and I'm not sure if it's up on yours yet. I think we are on the website right after this presentation.

Darwin Green

executive
#61

Yes. Not 100% of it's up on our sales.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#62

Perfect. Tom [indiscernible] asks -- thanks for joining us Tom. Congratulate both of you, but he knows when it comes to Alaska Roads and Transport and concerned citizens are always an issue and governments, federal, state, local, et cetera. So he's looking for your thoughts and perspective on that.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#63

Well, the water is -- as Darwin referred to as it's a world's highway. So look, no projects everyone is issues, especially if that's a mining project. But with Lucky Shot, we have the rail. So that if people are concerned about more trucks on the highway, we can alleviate that because cheap rail is cheaper and -- but barging and shipping is cheaper yet by a big margin. So it's capital to build the infrastructure to load it on to a ship and all that. So there's -- these things aren't free. But I think as with any project, the simpler it is, the better and the fewer things you have to permit and specifically, the fewer things you have to permit with the federal government is -- makes it easier. And those are, like I say, those are all part of our keep it simple criteria when we look at when we say it's a simple project. One of the things we're referring to specifically there is it's a simple project from a permitting standpoint.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#64

Great. [indiscernible] from the chat ask, if Contango is going to use free cash flow from Manh Choh to develop both Lucky Shot and Johnson Tract. I'm curious if you're going to use some cash flow to expand the Manh Choh asset?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#65

So we've got a $4.7 million exploration program approved this year at Manh Choh, that's 100% joint venture budget. So our share is roughly $1.5 million there. That exploration budget is focused on what I refer to as MinEx. It's all within sight of the 2 open pits. It's a long strike for the most part. So the short answer is yes. And -- but not expansion in terms of -- again, there's no mill here, so there's no mill to expand. There's plenty of capacity still at the Fort Knox mill. The mill that we've referred to as the mill modifications at Fort Knox are wrapping up in the month of May, they've been doing a bunch of commissioning work and Juan commissioning work on all the different mill modifications, which, as I have said before, really modifying the mills proper, the mills -- the SAG mill and the pulp mills are the same. It's all the ingredients that go into processing or the more cyanide bigger cyanide destructure got more lime and cement more carbon, bigger elution circuit, all those things. We're getting a bigger furnace to forgo, which is always a good thing. So yes, that's kind of where we're at there.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#66

Makes sense. Stephen [indiscernible] in the chat, congratulates you both. Just curious what the time line to production that we're thinking for Johnson Tract. I'll start that question, but it's a 2-parter.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#67

As we said before, I don't think I want to sort of put any sort of time lines out there. But the next -- the time line for the next event is to get through the permitting for the road and the portal access and then put a plan together to get the drilling done with the surface drilling that you can do, we would like to start doing that this year. So then the underground drilling is the key step putting that roughly limiters tunneling. We did that Lucky Shot. It's a little not quite as long, but it's almost that long. So this isn't like a really typical job that we've never done before. So everything...

Darwin Green

executive
#68

I mean I think one of the key things here is that you've removed that overhang of where you're going to get the money to move it forward. And so that was the key link. And I think in our time line going forward, you tell people like -- now we've got a path here. It's -- you're not going to be spending that money this year. It will best it will be late next year. But that's -- I think when you have that certainty of -- or a bit greater certainty anyways on the ability to self-fund something like that, you're a bit more in control of your own time line versus happen to be at the mercy of where the markets are at and wait for the markets to come around. And so I think it's a tremendous advantage that way for the project.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#69

Absolutely. I mean the sinker, it's a tough reality of our business.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#70

It's cruel curve.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#71

Cruel curve.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#72

Okay. The second part of that question, Rick, was what's your relationship with currency management? And do they have to provide an approval for this transaction?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#73

Well, I'll let Darwin speak to that. But I certainly have a lot of relationships in Alaska, including with the folks at Siri. So they're an integral partner in this and all of the different companies that have worked with and developed over the years go [indiscernible] Contango. Having a good working relationship with the Alaska Native Corporation partners is paramount to making things work. So that will certainly be -- I think Darwin's team have done a great job to date, and we're just hoping it to take it to the next level, pretty much like we did with Kinross. So Contango started early on and developed a really good working -- healthy working relationship with the Telentribe. And then now Kinross was a great platform for Kinross to take it to the next level. So that's how I see that working.

Darwin Green

executive
#74

Yes. I mean they're very supportive of the projects that are experienced to date. And again, there were other opportunities for us as we're advancing this project in interest from other strategic partners say, it's critically important to me with the stakeholders we have involved in this project that we find the right fit. And I think Rick given his history in the state and Alaska-based, I mean, how many Alaska-based mining companies do you know, right, that have the kind of experience that Rick has. So I think that was very important to me and now it's going to be important to see there. When they chose us originally to take on the project, it was based on relations and choosing people that had good history and track record in the state. And I think this is just a continuation of that, and I will continue to be a part of it as well as we go forward. And yes, so we have no hesitation on their support of the deal.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#75

Great. One question from Sony in the chat. What is Contango's cash on hand after this acquisition? And will you need to do a placement in the near future?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#76

Cash on hand is -- I think we're $8-ish million, and with our line of credit, it's going to stay around that level.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#77

Great. EBL Consultants asked, what is Series NSR royalty percentage? And do they still maintain a back-end right up to 25% participating interest?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#78

It's a sliding scale. I can't remember it off the top of my head. Some -- it's pretty conventional in terms of a deal with another company. It's I think from 2% to 4%. So it's not overbearing, but certainly, they will generate revenue from it, which is the idea. As far as the back and they do have a onetime back-end right, it's on a production decision and they'd have to fund their pro rata share on a go-forward basis. That's anywhere from 15% to 25%. It's a little bit of a wind up to do and when if they don't. If they do, you've got somebody else funding their share of mine build and you've got a native court that's got even more skin in the game from a social license and I think political support standpoint. If they don't, you have 100% of the assets. So that's always the way I've looked at it.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#79

And as kind of a follow-on to that, are there obligations to process the ore in Alaska?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#80

I don't think so. We'd love to, but we don't need to.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#81

Here you go. Mark Ericsson asks, we've kind of touched on it a bit, but it's probably best to reiterate it again. I ask being in Alaska to foresee any situation similar to Ambler with respect to US federal interference. I'll use us to cover a couple of the political questions that are in the chin.

Darwin Green

executive
#82

Yes, sure. Good question. I mean, people know my history with them, where rodents something we've worked on long and hard. I guess what I would say is part of the experience of Ambler and part of the experience we had with Donlin, which is, from a federal standpoint, fully permitted, it just -- it takes a long time. It's a hard break sort of process. We found online 25 years ago, and it's still not built and there's no imminent decision to build it even though it's fully federally permitted in the [indiscernible] is just -- I just -- I don't want to get angry here, so I'll keep it cool, but the federal government is breaking the law. So okay, well, that's what's new with that. This project and this is why we've developed our business plan basically sort of once the [indiscernible] definition of insanity is keep doing the same thing stop hitting your head against the wall. There's a better way to do this for junior companies. I'm speaking for junior companies here. We can't survive Nilsoncurve going out and trying to tell somebody you're going to raise $600 million to build a mill facility at Manh Choh and take 5, 6, 10, may never years to build a tailings facility. So that's how we've developed this model. That's why this is a good fit. And that's why it gets around -- I can't say all of the federal permitting, but a lion's share of the federal permitting and the part of the permitting that is the hardest is the infrastructure, building roads, there's NGLs don't like grows. They don't like mine, but they really don't like rows. And so we're on the water and siri has the right of way to get to the water and series native corporation. And their NGLs tend not to mess with the native corporations. So I think those are all the reasons why we developed this business plan and this business model of not trying to tackle the difficult task of building a mill in the tailings facility, find high-quality deposits near infrastructure and that are relatively simple to permit. Nothing is going to be simple to permit. And permitting is -- shouldn't be simple. We want to do things right and regulators and regular isn't asking know how to do things right. They know how to permit things right. Red Dog is the largest zinc mine in the world. It's a fantastic operation. So we're not been operating outside of Fairbanks. It's about 20 miles outside of Fairbank. It's a great piece of infrastructure. That's easy.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#83

No, I think so. I think so. On a quicker question, I think, from Sanya, what's the expected closing date of this deal?

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#84

I believe it was July. I don't think we put it paid on it yet.

Darwin Green

executive
#85

Yes. I mean the process is we'll get to mail out to our shareholders. Our shareholders need to vote on it. We'll see -- we anticipate setting the meeting date for that late June and then usually it takes a bit of a week or so to clear up after that. So InfoSec should be going out within a couple of weeks here, along with information on that meeting date. And that's the timeline we're targeting. These things can always change a little bit. But the idea is would be nice to have it closed off at the beginning of the summer, so we can get out there and hit it assuming our shareholders are on site, and I think they will be.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#86

Appreciate it. Keeps the question for Rick as is Contango looking at Black Wolf and its Niblack mine, which is on an island.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#87

Very few work there for Anaconda, the Anaconda great company because they got the opportunity to work all over the place, worked in Niblack and great, actually, I broke my back there almost for my collar boner. But yes, it's not something of interest to Contango and I don't really think it fits our model for any reasons that I will comment on, but...

Darwin Green

executive
#88

It's an asset item very well as well. I was around there in 2007 and '08. So...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#89

There you go.

Darwin Green

executive
#90

Frost and Rick and I...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#91

There's one question, obviously, answer to the best of your ability, but CJFPDS. How does this deal compare to other peer M&A deals in the near past.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#92

Let me go ahead. I mean, clearly, again, this is -- talking about the Luanne curve. And having the reality of the Luanne curve when you're trying to put your feasibility study to get it for a permitting plan and all that, that's boring to the market. And it's really boring to the market when it's a crappy gold market. And we have not had a good gold market. So it doesn't mean the project is not good. And that's what -- the market doesn't get it right a lot of the times. And it's completely wrong on this one. So -- but the reality is that the market is the market. It is what it is. So the value of the product is a good project. So you're going to have to pay a good healthy premium. And you can see that by other project -- other junior companies have crappy market caps. I think it was [indiscernible] timberline here recently for 100% premium. So I mean -- but if the share price is completely in the $0.025, 100% premium is $0.10, but you've gone from paying -- I don't know just making up numbers here, but gone from about $10 million to $20 million. So you just have -- it's a reality of the market. Shareholders need to be rewarded, but -- and Darwin spoken to this, the real attraction here isn't the premium. The real attraction is keeping your shares in the vehicle that's going to take this to production and has exposure to now 1.6 million ounces of gold that's generating plus $50 million of free cash flow a year. Fantastic story of our shareholder.

Darwin Green

executive
#93

Yes, I think that's fair. I mean and in general here, I mean, it's -- we had a value in mind when we started talking and Rick will know that I was pretty not moving off of that value. So it was value-driven more than premium driven than we've been talking for a while. And -- but I think it's fair. If you look at explorers and our comp group, maybe $20 an ounce is kind of the round -- you look at producers, they'll get valued at $100 or more an ounce. So there's a lot of room there to play with, right, where we can get a premium that's maybe above market, 30%, 40% is pretty typical, getting above 50% is not as common. Sometimes in these really small deals receive plus 100. So we think this is a very respectable premium in the context of the market. But we also think it's still trains at good value. And those are the best deals when it's a win for both sides. And I think it is because these values are going to be valued at 4x what they are in a company like Contango that has that ability to self-fund than junior where you get in this excess discount radon, and that's how I see it.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#94

Appreciate that. Unfortunately, we are running out of time for questions. I don't want to thank everybody who was in the audience they and it was quite a large group. So really appreciate you taking time to watch today's event. Rick and Darwin, thank you both very much for through presentation, obviously answer questions. I don't want to give you both the last opportunity to speak to both shareholders and interested parties on the call before we get, so I'll throw to both of you before we close for the day.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#95

Darwin, go first.

Darwin Green

executive
#96

Yes. I was going to say for any of my shareholders, please reach out to me. I'm happy to talk more about the deal and the lead up to this deal. And again, why I think it's good. Everyone you're certainly up to able to make your own decisions on what you want to do. But this wasn't done likely. We've put a lot of talking to it. We think this is a great company going forward. And similarly, if any of Contango's shareholders, I'm happy to field some questions on that. If they want to know a little bit more about the assets. So yes, looking forward to get this done and building a great company together. Genuinely, I think this is a company that you could see being a $1 billion company in the next 2 or 3 years or 4, once it's got that capacity. And it's not often you get that ability to get in early, participate early on a true growth-driven go story.

Rick Van Nieuwenhuyse

executive
#97

Yes, just thanks to you and thanks for hosting this platform. Great interaction, a great group of questions. And really speaking to HighGold's shareholders specifically, we really think this is 1 plus 1 is 3 or 4 story and we want to work closely with Darwin and his team to continue to advance this project and realize the value that's inherently there. And it's a great fit for our other assets in Alaska, and it's a great fit for our business model, which we think is unique and kind of referring to it as a bit of a hybrid, hybrid royalty model and which is why I think it should attract a premium valuation in the market once the market really understands why this is different, how it's different? Why it does simplify the typical path that a junior unfortunately takes with the Lussan curve, accrual curve as you referred to it.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#98

Well, gentlemen, thank you so much for your time today. If anybody in the audience has additional questions we couldn't get to, I will pass them on to management, but please do reach out to either company for any additional questions you've got. But otherwise, everyone, thank you so much. Have a great rest of your day.

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