Covestro AG (1COV) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
April 19, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Richard Pott
executive[Presentation] [Audio Gap] [Interpreted] And I'm pleased that Covestro made it through this difficult time. A lot of people talk about a polycrisis. The Board of Management will go into more detail as to how these challenges can be countered. And at this point, I would like to turn to the topics of the Annual General Meeting. As a result of progress in digitalization and their positive experience with virtual AGM during the coronavirus pandemic, the legislator adapted the Stock Corporation Law in July 2022 to allow virtual AGMs to continue. And against this background, the Board of Management and the Supervisory Board decided together to conduct this year's AGM as a virtual meeting. We're not talking about the virtual format that we are familiar with from the last 3 years during the coronavirus pandemic. We're talking here about a new and improved format with far-reaching shareholders' rights. Unlike past years, you, our shareholders, will have the possibility today to enter into a dialogue with the Board of Management and the Supervisory Board of your company. We are looking forward to that very much. Today, you will have the possibility to request the floor electronically. And when I call your name, you can speak to us live by video transmission and also to speak to your shareholders and to ask your questions. I'll explain the whole process to you in more detail later on. At this point, let me say the following. With the new legal situation, the German legislators have made a virtual AGM basically the same as an in-person meeting and have strengthened shareholders' rights. The new virtual AGM will be more interactive. It will be livelier. And certainly, more intense than we've been used to in the past few years. We are aware of the fact that not only a few of you really appreciate direct contact and dialogue with us. We, too, let me -- assure you, we have always appreciated such direct contact and exchange with you. But we weighed the pros and cons for this year's AGM, and we decided that the advantages outweigh the drawback. So let me mention the following: a higher reach, which means that with the virtual meeting, investors who are far away can join us much less time and cost. We save time and cost also for you, our dear shareholders, because you no longer have to travel to the AGM. And last but not least, a much more positive economic impact because this is something which clearly makes a significant contribution to climate protection. And for these reasons, the Board of Management and the Supervisory Board will be recommending that we authorize the Board of Management to also allow for virtual AGMs. This is as will be the case this week and in the coming days and weeks, where other listed companies are making the same recommendation to their shareholders. This authorization is to be in line with the legal requirements, it will be limited in time, but we do not want to exhaust the maximum 5 year limit. Instead, we are recommending authorization with a term of 2 years. What we're trying to show you is that in the next 2 years, we want to deal with this authorization in a responsible way and we will be selecting a design for our AGM. We will inform you extensively and that you can best and most effectively exercise your shareholder rights. If you go along with our proposal, the Board of Management will also take into account the agenda items, and they will also decide on the format of each respective AGM. Should we decide in favor of a virtual AGM, then the Board of Management in line with legal requirements will also decide on the rights for the shareholders to ask questions. The way we see things today, we tend to believe that in future as well, shareholders will be able to ask the questions during a virtual AGM as is the case today for today's regular AGM for 2023. In other words, we do not want to refer to questions that you would ask before the AGM and then only allow for follow-up questions during the meeting. This is also something that we mentioned in the documents received with the notice of today's AGM because, of course, you want to have an impression as to how we will be dealing with the discretion we have been given in the future as well. So ladies and gentlemen, following these preliminary remarks, I'd like to come to some of the formalities of today's AGM. We will be transmitting the AGM from Covestro's business premises in building [ Q24 ] in the Chempark in Leverkusen. This room is [ G165 ], is the in-person area with podium is as well as the neighboring rooms [ G167 and G163 ]. I would now like to welcome those of us here on stage with me. I'd like to welcome our notary public, Dr. [ Mark Hamman ] based in [ Kone ] who, as in the past years, will be taking the minutes of today's AGM. The Board of Management is also here in full. I would like to welcome the CEO, Dr. Markus Steilemann; Dr. Thomas Toepfer, our CFO and Labor Director; Ms. Sucheta Govil, who is responsible for sales and marketing; and Dr. Klaus Schäfer, who is our CTO. The Supervisory Board is also present here in Leverkusen. The members of the Supervisory Board are in a different room due to a lack of space but they will be in this area and can contact us at any time. We will be showing you the Supervisory Board members every now and again in our transmissions so that they will be visible to you, our shareholders. Our Supervisory Board member, Lise Kingo, was not able to travel from abroad to Leverkusen. That is why she is participating virtually. She will be in attendance for the whole meeting as you could see on the screen. The only one who is missing is [ Mark ] [indiscernible] he has fallen ill and is excused. We also have Ms. Ina Moritz, who is our proxy as well as Dr. Martin [indiscernible] , who were appointed by the company. Today's AGM will be transmitted live both by video and audio for all of the registered shareholders via the investor portal. Shareholders and the public at large can also follow the entire AGM live on our website and also various social media channels will also be transmitting our AGM. But this would only be up to and including the Board of Management speeches. The necessary technical requirements for our live transmission were carefully checked by our service providers, and we assume that today's AGM will run smoothly in technical terms. Notary public also taken a look at the technology involved and is aware of the provisions that have been taken. However, with video and audio transmissions, there can also be fluctuations also with regard to the availability of the investor portal and this is something that the company has no influence on. Should there be any technical problems, please check your Internet link and update or change perhaps your browser. If the transmission continues to be interrupted, then just be patient for a few minutes. If the disturbance is at our end, then, of course, we might use our fallback system. And if that is the case, we will inform you via our investor portal. If there are problems in the audio transmission, we will show information in the video transmission and conversely if there is a problem with the transmission, then of course, we will try to make sure that the complete transmission is reestablished as quickly as possible. Ladies and gentlemen, in accordance with the transitional requirements and provisions for virtual AGM, which are convened up until and including the 31st of August 2023 and they decided also with the approval of the Supervisory Board on the 16th of December '22, that this AGM will take place without the physical presence of the shareholders or their representatives and that this will be a virtual AGM. The requirements for a virtual AGM have thus been fulfilled. The major reasons for this decision is something that I described to you at the beginning. With regard to granting certain rights, it is something that I will talk about a bit later. But right now, I'd like to note the following: notice today's virtual AGM was published in the Federal Gazette on the 7th of March 2023, including the agenda and the draft resolutions from the Board of Management and Supervisory Board in due form and time. The documents are with the Notary Public and will be included in the minutes. We did not receive any requests for additions to the agenda nor did we get any counter motions or election proposals. The company received a statement which was published by the due date in the investor portal and on our website. Since the 7th of March 2023 when the notice was published, all of the required documentation and information was made available on Covestro AG's website. The documents also will be available for the entire duration of today's virtual AGM. One example of all of the required documents is here in this room with [ Dr. Hamman ], our notary public. Ladies and gentlemen, so that you can ask your questions on updated information, we have also published the CEO's and CFO's speeches as well as my own speech. One week before the AGM, these were published on the company's website. Ladies and gentlemen, of course, we will also, as required by law, keeping a list of participants. Here, you will see the company's representatives, proxies as well as the shareholders represented by them with their equity holdings. In addition, the list of participants in accordance with the new legal requirements will list all of the shareholders or their representatives who have registered for today's virtual AGM via our Investor Portal. The list of participants is available here in the meeting room and it is available on the Investor Portal for the shareholders who have registered via the Investor Portal. It will be updated on an ongoing basis, whenever necessary. I will be announcing the number of attendees during the course of the AGM. Ladies and gentlemen, shareholders who registered in due form and do time were able to exercise their voting rights prior to the AGM either by absentee [ ballot ] or by granting authority and instructions to the company's representatives. And during this meeting as well, we also made it possible to vote electronically, and you can also give instructions. The possibility to authorize representatives from the company via the Investor Portal or to give them instructions will be open until the beginning of the vote. Possibility to vote electronically via the Investor Portal will last a few minutes longer until, I, as the Chair of this meeting, conclude the vote. When we get to the vote, I will then draw your attention once again to the relevant points in time. But I would like to call upon you now to vote in a timely manner. And information on voting can be found in the notice to this meeting as well as on Covestro's website. Ladies and gentlemen, as I said, this year, unlike previous years, we have the possibility for you to request the floor using a button in the main menu of the Investor Portal. Now I'll explain to you the most important aspect, both for the content of your contributions as well as the formal process, which we want to use to conduct today's discussion. First of all, let me talk about the content. Please, your contribution should be such as would be the case in an in-person meeting. Only speak to items on the agenda as well as if need be to the bylaws and do not digress to irrelevant items. I'd also like to ask you to be brief in the interest of the other shareholders who may also want to take the floor. As a guideline, I would like to mention a period of 10 minutes. I'd like to make 1 point clear. This is not a formal speaking time restriction or limitation. It is a nonbinding request. But I would be very grateful if in the interest of everyone concerned, you could focus on the 10-minute guideline. We will be using a clock to show how long someone has been speaking. As Chairman, I'm called upon to make sure that our AGM is conducted in accordance with the law and appropriately. This means that I can also formally limit your speaking time should this appear necessary during the course of our AGM. In particular, with regard to the number of requests for the floor that have not yet been dealt with. Today's discussion will be a general discussion as you are familiar with from earlier in-person meetings. So you will have the possibility to discuss all agenda items, and you do not have to sign in the individual agenda items. As Chair, I am also called upon -- to decide upon how you should ask your questions. As in the notice, I would like to note that questions can only be asked via video transmission. If you want to ask a question, please sign in via the Investor Portal saying that you want to take the floor and then you can decide whether you want to speak, ask questions or both. Similarly, you have to request the floor if during today's meeting, you want to present a motion whether this deals with the Articles of Association or if you want to present an election proposal. When you request the floor in the Investor Portal, you can also inform us that you want to present a motion and I would be grateful if you were to do so. So I can look and see if your motion should perhaps be given priority in giving you the floor. And now I'd like to give you some technical details for your request for the floor and how we are going to conduct our discussion. When you request the floor, you will be put on our list of speakers. The speakers will then be divided up into groups of about 5 people max. These 5 people will then be called out. Before we begin our discussion, I'll call out your names. And I'll ask you to be ready for a test for your audio and visual transmission. We will then interrupt the AGM for about 5 minutes. And during this period, our technical team will carry out the technical test with the speakers that I have called out. Then we will continue the AGM, and I will call out the speakers one after another and give you the floor. You will then make your contribution via video transmission. And then you can also be seen and heard by your shareholders as well in the public transmission of the AGM. We will collect questions and then prepare the answers. At the end of the last presentation, we will then have a first round of answers and then I will call out the next speakers and we'll repeat the same procedure until all of the speakers have been given the floor and have been able to ask their questions and all the answers have been given. Ladies and gentlemen, I would also like to mention that as of the beginning of this event, up until the end, until I conclude this meeting that you can object to decisions taken by the AGM. You will find a button on the main menu in the Investor Portal. The notary public will then accept any objections we receive and these will be included in the minutes to the AGM. So that should suffice on formalities. Ladies and gentlemen, before we turn to the agenda, I would like to briefly review the past year as seen by the Supervisory Board. As I said, 2022 was primarily a year of hardship and concerns. After decades of peace and stability, war has returned to Europe. As a result, the energy supply situation has drastically worsened with major impact on our industry and our company. This includes the weakening of the economic environment. The overall situation where Covestro has been confronted, so to speak, with a twofold challenge and still is confronted with this. On the one hand, we had to do everything we could in order to maintain operations and business. And on the other hand, in these difficult times, our company also had to continue pursuing its strategic goals and growth opportunities. We were successful at both. Ladies and gentlemen, Covestro, managed the energy crisis, which reached its peak last fall and last winter. Thanks to the excellent dedication and flexibility of our employees. So we adjusted very quickly to the situation. We reduced our energy requirements, improved our efficiency. And in some sites, we switched from gas to oil as our fuel. Strategically speaking, we stayed on course and we continue to focus on circularity, our major vision. So that means we have the right approach in order to both maintain our livelihood on earth and to combine this with sustainable embedded value. A milestone in sustainability strategy at Covestro are our ambitious climate targets, which our company published last year. By 2035, our goal is to be climate neutral in terms of operations. This applies, first of all, for our direct greenhouse gas emissions which we produce in our own production. This is where we're talking in particular about the very climate intensive substance nitrous oxide. Also the emissions from energy sources, which we receive from third parties. These are to be reduced to net zero. But that's not enough. We're also working on a climate goal for indirect emissions from procured raw materials, which would be in up and downstream processes in the added value chain. Climate neutral and circular. This is what our product range is becoming more and more at Covestro. Our Materials and Solutions last year were in demand last year. However, as a result of the weak economy, the volumes declined. But because we were able to achieve higher selling prices on the market, the sales figure grew to a record number. However, the situation was different when it came to profit due to the increased energy and raw material costs and one-off effects as well as exceptional impairments in fixed -- in noncurrent assets and impairments for deferred tax access we had negative net income for the first time. That's why, for the first time, we will not be able to pay you a dividend. Shareholders, we regret this, and we hope that you can bear with us. But I am convinced that our company, due to its good position, will be in the position to pick up on the payments that we had in previous years. And now I'd like to mention one more thing. The negative net income for 2022 is not something that only led to no dividend payment, a difficult economic situation at Covestro also meant that the Board of Management and the employees will not be receiving an annual bonus for fiscal '22. The CEO, Dr. Markus Steilemann; the CFO, Dr. Thomas Toepfer will be going into more detail on this when they talk about the course of business and strategic development. Ladies and gentlemen, that brings us to the agenda as published in the notice. We will begin with agenda item 1. This relates to the financial statements and reports. Ladies and gentlemen, I would now like to hand over to the Chairman of Covestro AG, Dr. Markus Steilemann.
Markus Steilemann
executive[Interpreted] Thank you, Dr. Pott. And now, we, the members of the Board of Management, also want to extend a very warm welcome to you, our shareholders. We're delighted that you are participating in our Annual General Meeting and we hope that you, your friends and family are doing well in these difficult times. Ladies and gentlemen, shareholders, the last time we met, Russia had just launched its war against Ukraine. Terrible carnage has already been going on for over a year now, and it has led to many other serious problems. But we mustn't give up. And we don't have to either because despite all the misery and difficulties, we also keep seeing rays of hope ways forward and solutions at the political level in our personal lives and at our company, Covestro, of course, courage, confidence and solidarity. That's what will take us forward. Decisive, resolute action is what's required now. This is because there is need for action virtually everywhere. First and foremost, the war that is raging less than 2,000 kilometers away from us has to be stopped. We also have to deal with its many consequences, which are affecting us all very directly. There's the energy crisis in Germany and the rest of Europe, which is causing problems for each and every one of us. It is also hitting our company and the entire industry, the chemical sector. The same applies to the high rate of inflation, which is likewise a consequence of Russia's war aggression. Amidst all of this, we have an ailing global economy. Fortunately, the coronavirus pandemic is receding, but it has left deep scars. That is anything but a favorable environment for Covestro. The state of crisis had a massive impact on our business in 2022. And our expectations for the current year have been dampened accordingly. But there is no reason to be pessimistic, ladies and gentlemen. On the contrary, we are looking ahead with confidence. Right now, we can see that our company has the right setup that we took the right steps in 2022. And we will keep doing precisely this in the future. The redefinition of our company, on which I reported to you at the last AGM has also played its part. It has taken Covestro's efficiency and customer proximity to the next level. Financially, we are on solid ground and our policy of producing in the regions and for the regions makes us more independent from global supply chains. Overall, our strategy is heading onward and upward. Its name sustainable future shows that we are looking way ahead into a positive, sustainable future for our company and for society as a whole. We've taken a lot more in this process than just overcoming the current crisis and problems, which are known to pose enormous long-term challenges such as climate change, the overexploitation of natural resources or damage to the environment. The past year with its droughts and floods demonstrated what humanity has to expect. We, at Covestro, are helping to deal with many of the problems. With our products, technologies and solutions, we systematically address global trends such as sustainable mobility and renewable energy. We're gearing our entire company completely to become fully circular while pursuing ambitious climate targets. I will come back to that in more detail later on. This is how we will fulfill our company's purpose of making the world a brighter place and put ourselves in the ideal position to achieve future growth. As I said, more on this in a moment. My dear shareholders, I now want to delve a little deeper into an issue that concerns us all, the energy crisis. As you know, we need a lot of electricity to produce chemicals and plastics and also steam, which we mainly generate from gas. These resources have become extremely scarce all of a sudden and a lot more expensive than they we're already in Europe, especially in Germany. Our energy costs have almost tripled since 2020. We reacted swiftly and decisively to this situation, thanks to the commitment and inventiveness of many colleagues. They have already made quite a few adjustments within the company with great success thermostat. Let me give you 1 example, chlorine. We need this chemical for 2/3 of our products. We make it ourselves although this process consumes large quantities of electricity. For this reason, experts from various areas at Covestro got together to identify potential savings. The result was a new management model for our chlorine plant in Leverkusen, Germany. It allows us to estimate how electricity prices will change during the course of a month. Now we can identify to the day and minute the most cost-effective time to operate the plant. This pays off as it allows us to save costs in the mid-tens of thousands every week. A great team effort that's made me very proud and only 1 of many ideas and measures with which we responded to the energy crisis decisively, flexibly and collaboratively. This also applies to the many other challenges. All of Covestro's 18,000 employees showed fantastic commitment and did excellent work in 2020, which was a difficult year in countless large and small projects alike. For this, all of us on the Board of Management owe them the greatest respect and we want to offer them our heartfelt thanks. 2022 demonstrated once more that we are a great team that works in solidarity around the world, not least thanks to our exceptional corporate values. Curious, courageous and colorful. Ladies and gentlemen, this set of values and the commitment and know-how of our colleagues also helped us in the past year to tackle the adverse economic conditions. The economy has experienced a significant downturn. Global growth halved in 2022, affecting almost all major industries that we supply. The decline in global demand is slowing down growth in the core industries to which we deliver our products. The construction sector expanded by just 1.2% in 2022. The electrical, electronics and household appliances sector shrank by over 2/3. The furniture industry was also down by almost 4% in 2022 compared to the previous year. Only the automotive industry is performing well. Growth more than doubled here. Overall, therefore, Covestro faced economic headwind in 2022. Despite that, we increased our sales by 13% to a new record high. This is unfortunately not matched by earnings, where we were only able to cushion the massive rises in energy and raw material prices to a limited extent. This is why our operating result or EBITDA was down almost 48% because of one-off factors, our bottom line showed a loss for the first time ever but -- and this is something I want to emphasize once again. Financially, our company, your company remains very stable. Ladies and gentlemen, we again had a cash surplus referred to as free operating cash flow in the crisis year 2022. Simply put, we still have cash on our books. Last week, we published our results for the first quarter despite a decline in demand, the financials for the first quarter were much better than anticipated, as shown by our current earnings. Our resolute implementation of our strategy and measures show that we're on the right path. For this, I would like to thank all our employees for their commitment and dedication in the last few months. We have achieved a milestone on our own steam. Together, we will continue to do all we can to [ match ] the challenges in the coming weeks and months. Our CFO, Thomas Toepfer, will now share some deeper insights into our financial results, and he will outline our expectations for the current year. Having said that, over to you, Thomas.
Thomas Toepfer
executive[Interpreted] Ladies and gentlemen, from me as well, a very warm welcome. It's a great pleasure for me to present to you the results for the past fiscal year. Markus Steilemann has already given you some context for the recessionary environment in Europe and higher market volatility due to the uncertain situation of power and gas supplies. This trend could not be offset by growth in other markets. Since we were able to pass some of the cost increase to customers, group sales rose by 13% to almost EUR 18 billion despite lower volumes. This helped us generate the highest sales in our company's history. As already indicated, we were only partially able to pass on the higher costs. As a result, the very high energy and raw material prices led to a considerable negative pricing delta between selling and raw material prices. While energy and raw material prices kept going up in the course of the year, the options for passing on these prices became increasingly limited. What is more, there was a negative volume effect of around 5%. On the bottom line, our EBITDA at the end of fiscal 2022 totaled EUR 1.6 billion after EUR 3.1 billion being posted at the end of the previous year. Let's now take a look at our 2 segments. The negative pricing delta affects the Performance Materials segment in particular. Due to the commodity type nature of its products, the segment is particularly highly exposed to changes in demand in the market. This limits the opportunities for passing on the energy and raw material prices in a recessionary environment. The sharp decline in the EBITDA margins brings this into sharp focus. While sales were up, EBITDA went down 63% year-on-year to a total of EUR 951 million. We anticipate that year 2023 will remain challenging for Performance Materials. Thanks to its strong specialization, the Solutions and Specialties segment, on the other hand, benefits from closer customer relations and better options to pass on the high costs resulting from rising energy and raw material prices. This segment's greater resilience is reflected by an almost stable EBITDA margin. Despite the decline in volumes, strong sales growth also led to higher earnings. An important operational lever in this context is the fact that the successful integration of the Resins and Functional Materials, RFM business is happening faster than planned. Despite the robust performance in the year 2022, Solutions and Specialties will continue to face challenges in the current year. The financial performance of the 2 segments led to an overall decrease in our EBITDA to EUR 1.6 billion. In the past year, we also had exceptional impairments of noncurrent assets totaling EUR 463 million and impairment losses on deferred tax assets from tax loss carryforwards totaling EUR 255 million. These onetime factors led to a negative income. Since the distribution dividends for fiscal 2020, our dividend policy has specified that between 35% and 55% of net income should be distributed as dividends. Accordingly, we paid a record dividend of EUR 3.40 per share for fiscal year 2021. And again, in line with our dividend policy, we'll not pay any dividend for fiscal year 2022. As our bonus system, the PSP system also focuses on the overall performance of the company, our Board of Management and employees will not receive a bonus payment for the past year as a result of the negative group income. A look at free operating cash flow also highlights just how challenging the past fiscal year was. The sharp decline in EBITDA is reflected mainly from Q2 onwards. We countered this trend specifically with consistent working capital management and in doing so, we were able to generate a positive effect of EUR 312 million, as you can see here. In addition, we had capital expenditure totaling EUR 832 million. Of course, we also invested in maintaining and improving existing plants in fiscal year 2022 with a view to positioning our production in the best possible way and offering our employees safe and modern workspace. Moreover, we invested in expanding our production capacity, Markus Steilemann will tell you more about this in just one moment. As you can see, income tax is totaling EUR 538 million were also incurred in fiscal year 2022. Now this amount was driven predominantly by a geographical mix that was unfavorable from a tax perspective. The other effects item relates primarily to the bonus payment for fiscal 2021, which will turn into a cash flow -- cash outflow in Q2 of 2022. That means that for the year as a whole, we had a positive cash flow of EUR 138 million. This positive cash flow is clear evidence that we are managing challenging times. We have a solid balance sheet and a strong liquidity base. We are increasingly combining our financing and sustainability strategies. And by doing so, continue to focus on sustainable growth. On the 13th of April, we also published advanced KPIs with EUR 286 million for the predicted EBITDA, and we have, therefore, exceeded our estimates with the capital market. And that despite low demand in the first quarter. Thus, the first 3 months of 2023 were much more successful than we had imagined at the beginning of the year. Shareholders, we are in a very good position to deal with the current economic situation, and we are looking with confidence towards the future. And now back to Markus Steilemann.
Markus Steilemann
executive[Interpreted] Thomas, thank you for your commentary. It means that 2023 will be another challenging year, ladies and gentlemen, but I'm sure that we will once again adeptly handle the challenges by pulling out all the stops to get through the current crisis and by systematically pursuing our strategy because it has clearly put us on the right track. What this means is that we are seizing the major opportunities associated with the global megatrend towards comprehensive sustainability. The world must become greener and smarter, safer and more livable. We, at Covestro, help achieve this by contributing what we do particularly well, highly sustainable, innovative plastics. They are tailored exactly to the needs of many key industries, and they are bundled in 2 segments: 1 being tailored plastics based on innovation and customized solutions. The other is the business with standard materials where cost efficiency is one of the focal points. I must emphasize that both business lines are very attractive and full of potential. This is because they address important global trends and the needs of many key industries, be it the energy industry, be it the mobility sector or the construction industry. They are all going through far-reaching transformations in their quest to become sustainable. For this, they need the right materials, materials that we provide in close consultation with our customers and continuously improve. It means that we are literally on course for sustainable growth. Let me give you a few examples to illustrate this. The energy industry. This sector is by far the largest source of greenhouse gases that are damaging the climate. And this alone is reason enough for the industry to make a rapid transformation away from fossil fuels, such as coal to renewable sources such as solar and wind. At the same time, many other sectors, including the chemical industry will need more power in the future, and this will also have to be green but renewable energy is still not cost-effective enough to compete with fossil fuels. This is where our products and solutions come in. For wind turbines, for example, we have developed a polyurethane infusion resin that can be used to make rotor blades lighter, longer and stronger and to increase yields and their production is becoming more efficient at the same time. As a result, the production costs of rotor blades have declined by 8%. Electricity production costs would fall by 2.4% in total if Covestro materials were used. This harbors major potential for manufacturers of wind turbines and operators of wind farms. Ladies and gentlemen, our products are not only driving the energy revolution but are also supporting the sea change in mobility. The future belongs to alternative drives, such as the electric motor. Here too, our materials are literally paving the way. Company's polycarbonates make electric vehicles lighter and, in turn, increase their range. And they are extremely useful in battery cases and charging stations, making them safe, robust and cost effective. Apart from electric drives, we also have an eye on other major mobility topics. The trend towards autonomous driving is one example that can offer countless advantages such as greater safety and comfort. What's more, there is an increasing desire for individualization, which is also reflected in mobility. To this end, we are developing innovative materials and concepts for functioning fully networked vehicle interiors. Ladies and gentlemen, shareholders, another very topical example of sustainable growth comes from the area of packaging. As you know, there are clear regulations, especially in Europe relating to the huge amounts of packaging waste and the negative consequences this has on the environment. To deal with this, much more waste will have to be recycled. To date, this has worked best when paper is used as the packaging material. For this purpose, it has to be treated first, for example, to prevent it from letting moisture penetrate. Here, our company also offers suitable products. We have developed a special coating resin, which gives the paper, the properties of plastic so that it keeps moisture out, for example. What makes it so special is that it can still be recycled as paper. Our innovative material is particularly sustainable for 2 reasons. It contributes not only to closing material loops in the packaging industry, but is itself manufactured according to circular economic principles from raw materials that are in part plant-based. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to touch on another key sector that needs our materials in order to become more sustainable. I'm referring to the Construction industry, which is responsible for around 20% of global greenhouse gas emissions. It is, therefore, understandable that only climate-neutral buildings are to be built in the EU in the future. At the same time, millions of existing apartments and houses will require energy-efficient refurbishments. This will drive up demand for efficient insulation. This is because well insulated buildings release little heat and keep the cold outside. Rigid polyurethane foam is a particularly good insulant. We had Covestro supply the main components for it, including the substance MDI. My dear shareholders, we therefore expect demand for MDI to increase. We are getting ready by ramping up our production capacities at our site in Tarragona, Spain. We commissioned a new large-scale plant where MDI is produced in a particularly environmentally friendly way a week ago. This is achieved using a special technology that Covestro has developed together with a partner company. I now want to come back to chlorine. We need chlorine for MDI and our innovative technology allows us to produce it, using 25% less electricity. This means, in turn, that the new plant in Spain will avoid up to 22,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions per year. So as you can see, ladies and gentlemen, we continue to invest in our production network in these challenging and uncertain times, including at our site in Map Ta Phut in Thailand. We recently held the groundbreaking ceremony for a new plant there, which will produce specialty films from polycarbonate. They're used above all in ID documents, car displays and electronic devices. And there is increasing demand for them in the Asia Pacific region. The materials for these films are in part based on organic waste. Alternative raw materials and energy saving production are only 2 examples of the extent to which we focus on sustainability internally as well. Here, we have set ourselves new ambitious goals in 2022. We want to make Covestro's operations climate neutral by as early as 2035. This means that by then greenhouse gas emissions from our own production and from purchased energy are to amount to net zero. We took a step in this direction. We reduced our emissions of CO2 equivalents by around 10% last year. At the same time, we continue to make progress in the transition to renewable energy. It now accounts for 12% of our total power consumption. Our target for this year is up to 18%. We are achieving this above all by negotiating direct agreements with energy suppliers at our Shanghai site China. We, for example, are already able to meet around 30% of our annual electricity demand with wind and solar energy. Moreover Shanghai and all other major sites around the world have now attained certification under the important internationally recognized ISCC plus standards. This is a central requirement or what is referred to as mass balancing. This is an arithmetic system for attributing recycled and bio-based raw materials to end products. It is similar to the familiar principle of working out the proportion of green electricity from the grid. This will allow us to drive our largest project, the circular economy, with which we are aligning the entire company. My dear shareholders, first becoming fully circular is the key to solving many global challenges. Circularity will help humanity conserve the earth's dwindling resources, protect the environment and achieve climate neutrality. At the same time, new ways of creating value are being uncovered which combines sustainability and growth. At Covestro, we have, therefore, committed ourselves wholeheartedly to the circular economy. Something like this cannot, of course, be done overnight at the push of a button. We're just at the beginning of a long journey, but we have already taken a number of promising steps, and we will rigorously stay the course until we have turned our vision into reality. However, the transition to the circular economy is not a project that can be completed in isolation. What we need is the comprehensive transformation of society as a whole. The economy must and will change. And we as consumers must adapt our behavior. Product labels can also help raise awareness of the circular economy in the general population. They will create acceptance and trust. Covestro, therefore, introduced a label in 2022 that identifies circular materials and technologies. The new label is called CQ, derived from circular intelligence. We use it to identify products that contain a minimum of 25% alternative raw materials. In the same way as the label for organic products and supermarkets, they now also give our customers a choice. Ladies and gentlemen, the use of nonfossil fuels is one of the pillars of the circular economy. The other is recycling products and waste. Let me illustrate how important it is to recycle using an everyday product that I presume all of you have at home, mattresses. In Europe, around 40 million of them are discarded every year. If you lay them next to each other, they would cover the circumference of the earth twice. These 40 million mattresses normally end up in waste incineration plants or landfills. Even though old mattresses are nothing other than a valuable raw material for new ones. Recycle mattresses rather than let them go to waste. That too is one of our aims at Covestro, ladies and gentlemen. To be more precise, it's about what's inside the foam under the cover, which makes the mattress comfortable. This foam is often made of polyurethane, a versatile material for which we produce and continually improve the key components. Polyurethane has many advantages, but also one drawback. It can't be recycled or at least not so far. But this is changing. We've also got off to a successful start in this area. Together with partners, we have developed innovative technology for recovering both core raw materials. We're doing it through a chemical process by breaking the foam down into its molecules, which can then be used to produce new foam and new mattresses. The framework for this groundbreaking project is provided by Evocycle CQ, our program for innovative recycling. As part of this process, we want to advance chemical recycling, as I've just mentioned. That is a new way approach for which we, therefore, need the right conditions. Ladies and gentlemen, another promising approach to taking the circular economy forward is microscopic but can have a huge effect. I'm referring to industrial biotechnology, which involves the use of microorganisms and enzymes, a topic of the future that is also the focus of research and development at Covestro. In the past year, we intensified our biotechnology activities, and established a dedicated research group. Here, experts are working on using enzymes specifically for plastic recycling. In addition, the enzymes are intended to help treat wastewater and break plastic waste down fully in the natural environment. Biotechnology has already helped us achieve a breakthrough. We can use this technology to produce the chemical aniline entirely from plants. We need aniline to produce MDI. The key insulant component I spoke about earlier, as you might recall. And with insulants, we in turn address the mega topic of sustainable building. And so we've come full circle. Having said that, ladies and gentlemen, I'm coming to the end of my presentation. Let me summarize. Stability, our sustainable future strategy and the solid balance sheet give us a firm foundation even in challenging times. Sustainable growth. We're gearing our business systematically towards areas of the future, such as sustainable building, new forms of mobility and renewable energy. Circular economy. We're forging ahead to make circularity a global guiding principle as a key to solving many of the challenges we face both now and in the future. So our company is on the right track. We stand firm, we create value, and we produce benefits. Thank you for your attention.
Richard Pott
executiveLadies and gentlemen, on behalf of the Supervisory Board and on your behalf as well, I would like to thank the Board of Management and all of the employees for their hard work. Under extremely difficult situations, they have all shown a great deal of dedication. And I would like to say this on behalf of the Supervisory Board. You have taken important decisions and measures have been introduced to get Covestro through these difficult times. At the same time, you have also talked to us and kept us on course so that you can consider the long-term trends and lead to sustainability. Ladies and gentlemen, before we turn to the Supervisory Board report, I'd like to give you information on the attendance figures. The capital stock amounting to EUR 192,200,000 (sic) [ EUR 193,200,000 ] divided up into 193,200,000 shares. We see that 122,462,427 shares with exactly the same number of votes are represented here today, that is 63.39% of the registered share capital. In addition, we also have 525,890 absentee ballots. So this gives us a total of 122,988,317 shares overall. This is 63.66% of the share capital. Ladies and gentlemen, I'd now like to turn to the Supervisory Board's report. You will find this report on Pages 19 to 27 in the annual report, which I'd like to refer you to. We have reported in detail there, so I will be somewhat briefer today as a result. As we've mentioned a number of times already, the past year was characterized by the energy crisis and a downswing in the global economy. The coronavirus pandemic also had negative impacts on our business in the first half of the year. Lockdowns in China led to logistics problems and disruptions in the supply chain. In these critical times, the Board of management took the necessary decisions in order to maintain business and in order to maintain the viability of our company. This also included securing our liquidity and our profitability. At the same time, Covestro continued its path towards circular economy and also entered onto a path towards climate neutrality which is to be achieved by 2035. We have supported the Supervisory Board very closely and support their decisions. In February of this year, we accepted the request made from our CTO, Dr. Toepfer to terminate his contract. He will be leaving Covestro on the 31st of August 2023, and he'll take on the same role at the European aircraft manufacturer, Airbus. Up until then, Dr. Toepfer will continue his work as CFO and Labor Director, and he will continue to show complete dedication. The Supervisory Board has introduced its search for his successor and will make an announcement at the appropriate point in time. Mr. Toepfer, at this point, I would like to thank you for your great amount of commitment to our company. We regret the fact that you are leaving and would like to wish you all the very best in the future. Ladies and gentlemen, when it comes to personnel matters, I'd also like to announce that there was some important changes in the past fiscal year for continuity in management. The contract for our CEO was extended ahead of time by 5 years. So once again, congratulations, Mr. Steilemann, and the contract for our CTO for Dr. Klaus Schafer was extended due to the difficult situation on the energy market was extended by 6 months. His successor, Thorsten Dreier, will take on this office in July. He is now Head of the Business Entity Coatings and Adhesives at Covestro. Dr. Schafer, we, too, would like to thank you for your many years of service to our company and its predecessors. You have had a number of roles and have made a major contribution towards Covestro's success. Mr. Schafer, we wish you all the very best for the new phase in your life. We would also like to wish you, Mr. Dreier all the very best. You have enriched our company for many years with your technological expertise, customer focus, market orientation and management qualities. We on the Supervisory Board, are convinced that you, as CTO, are an excellent person for this job. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Dreier will be working together with Dr. Schafer before taking over his activity, and he is becoming familiar with all of his new tasks. And we are convinced on the Supervisory Board that Dr. Dreier will also drive Covestro's transformation towards circular economy and climate neutrality together with the other members of the Board of Management. But let's let Dr. Dreier introduce himself very briefly.
Thorsten Dreier
executive[Interpreted] Dear shareholders, my name is Thorsten Dreier. And as of the 1st of July, I will become CTO at Covestro. I am very much looking forward to introducing myself to you today. I see myself as someone who's always been with Covestro after studying chemistry and getting my PhD in Munster, I began as a Lab Director in polyurethane at Bayer. And in the past 2 decades, I have seen a lot of different areas at Covestro, R&D, et cetera, up until the business. I have seen -- worked with many international teams, and I'm very much associated with the people who work here. I am now responsible for Coatings & Adhesives business entity. Before that, I worked in production for many years. And that is why this new challenge feels sort of like coming back home and I believe in Covestro's vision, and I'm convinced that we can improve the world with our products. With my experience and expertise, I would like to make a contribution to driving Covestro's transformation and to making Covestro a climate neutral area. Now let me say a few words about myself. I'm not only someone who prolongs to Covestro, but I live here in North Rhine-Westphalia. I live with my wife and daughter in Dusseldorf. I was born in Germany and in the very beginning I was with -- I played soccer for [indiscernible]. And then I began my career in the chemical industry, and that was an excellent decision.
Richard Pott
executiveLadies and gentlemen, not only on the Board of Management, we also had some changes in the Supervisory Board as well. At last year's AGM, Dr. Sven Schneider was elected as representative of the shareholders. He was the successor to Dr. Rolf Nonnenmacher on the Supervisory Board. He was then elected to the Audit Committee, and he then assumed the Chair of the Audit Committee. And then at the end of the last AGM, both employee representatives, Christoph Gurtler and Frank Lollgen were joined the Supervisory Board to succeed Dr. Ulrich Liman and Frank Werth. All 3 new members were introduced to you at the last AGM. They have supported Supervisory Board's work in very challenging past fiscal year. The entire Supervisory Board was in regular dialogue with the Board of Management. We were convinced of the decisions and measures introduced by management. And at the same time, we also monitored the work of the supervisory -- of the Management Board on an ongoing basis. This was primarily at the 6 meetings of the Supervisory Board where all members of the Supervisory Board were present. One member could not attend 1 single meeting for personal reasons. But it was possible for him to support the resolution at this meeting as a result of a pre-briefing and was able to submit his vote by mail. Another Supervisory Board meeting, he could not take part in the last -- in the 2 meetings of the second half of the year for health reasons. The Supervisory Board focused on the following topics in the past year. The current crisis situation with respect to the Russian war against Ukraine and its impact on the company. This was the subject matter of all of the Supervisory Board meetings in 2022. We also had a number of additional reports from the Board of Management outside the Supervisory Board meetings. Also the continued transformation of the group and the integration of the business entity resins and functional materials acquired from DSM in 2021. These were topics that we dealt with in nearly all of our Supervisory Board meetings. On the Supervisory Board, we received detailed reports from the Board of Management on these topics. We then also dealt in detail with the existing challenges and progress that had been made. We also reviewed the assumptions and discussed them with the Board of Management. At the first meeting of the year end review in February, we dealt in detail with the annual and consolidated financial statements for fiscal '21. With the audit report and the auditor report from the external auditor as well as the proposal on the use of the distributed product. Other topics with the risk situation as well as the path toward climate neutrality presented by the Board of Management. This is something that we agreed to, including the associated targets for emission reductions. The Supervisory Board on the 21st of April, the same day as the virtual AGM. That was the focus of that meeting. Following the AGM, we then had a constituent meeting of the Supervisory Board so that the 6 new members of the Supervisory Board that had been elected in March for the employee representatives. The same applied to the representatives of the shareholder representative, Dr. Sven Schneider. Petra Kronen was elected Deputy Supervisory Board Chair and the members from the employee representatives were elected to the Supervisory Board committees. Dr. Sven Schneider elected by the AGM to the Supervisory Board was elected to be a member of the Audit Committee and then to be the Audit Committee's Chair. Ladies and gentlemen, let's continue going through the year. At our meeting in June, the Supervisory Board dealt in detail with the self-assessment of the effectivity and efficiency of the Supervisory Board's activities. This was supported from an external expert. Other topics were the agenda quota on the Board of Management and Supervisory Board and also the recent changes to the German Corporate Governance Code. The Supervisory Board, as I said before, also supported the decision to reappoint and extend contract for the CEO, Dr. Steilemann for another 5 years after the end of his current appointment. From July till early October, the Supervisory Board dealt with 4 time critical topics and decisions during -- using the written procedure. On the 29th of July, they dealt with the sale of Additive Manufacturing at Covestro. On the 4th of August, they also agreed to an increase in the funding as well as on the 25th, they also agreed to euro commercial paper as well as the issuing of a promissory note loan. On the 4th of October, they decided to extend Dr. Schafer's term of office for another 6 months. At the Supervisory Board meeting on the 9th and 10th of November, the Supervisory Board decided to appoint Dr. Dreier as Dr. Schafer's successor. The fall meeting of the Supervisory Board is our so-called strategy meeting. It is accompanied by a strategy workshop beforehand which is organized by the Board of Management. The focus of this strategy -- of the strategy meeting was also the group strategy, the short-, medium- and long-term trends as well as the challenges and also [ strategical living ]. In December, we dealt with compensation issues, and this includes a review of the fixed compensation for the Board of Management as well as their long-term variable compensation. Another regular topic at the last Supervisory Board meeting of the year is dealing with the corporate planning proposed by the Board of Management for the next fiscal year. So in this case, it was for 2023 as well as the medium-term outlook. The Supervisory Board approved both the corporate planning as well as the funding frame for fiscal 2023. At this meeting, we also dealt with plans for today's AGM. The agenda as well as the draft resolutions, we also agreed to the decision of the Board of Management to conduct today's meeting virtually. There was a regular exchange between the CEO and myself between our meetings, especially with regard to questions of strategy and planning, business development and upcoming decisions. Members of the Supervisory Board, also are very much committed to their own continuing education despite the challenges considered due to the coronavirus pandemic as well as some of the restrictions regarding in-person meetings and travel restrictions. This was particularly in the form of the full day strategy workshop in November in conjunction with the Supervisory Board's strategy meeting. In conjunction with the effectiveness and efficiency assessments supported by an external expert, we also had a 2-day workshop for the Supervisory Board, moderated by someone from the outside. The special roles and tasks of the Supervisory Board will discuss against the backdrop of the current crisis situation, the Russian war against Ukraine, and energy crisis. In October, we made use of a visit to the plastics fair K2022 in Dusseldorf to learn more about the plastics industry and current trends and challenges. We focused here on sustainability and circular economy. In November, there was also a training course supported by external experts with regard to capital market questions and capital market law. Ladies and gentlemen, I'd now like to refer briefly to the activities of the Supervisory Board committees. The work of the Supervisory Board is prepared and continued by the committee. The committees met as follows during the period under review. The Presidial Committee once, Audit Committee 4 times, HR Committee 5 times, Nomination Committee once, and Sustainable Committee 5 times. At all of these meetings, all the members participated with the exception of 1 Supervisory Board member who fell ill in the second half of the year. A number of Supervisory Board members also participated in committee meetings, especially at the meetings of the Sustainability Committee which explicitly opened its door to guests from the full Supervisory Board. The Audit Committee also monitored the accounting process as well as the effectiveness of the internal control system and the risk management system. They were informed on an ongoing basis with regard to developments in the compliance management system as well as risk assessment. The Audit Committee also had continuous discussions with the external auditor with regard to major audit risks and also the orientation for the audit. Special topics for the Audit Committee included current and future regulatory requirements to the sustainability report and its implementation, changes to the German Corporate Governance Code, asset management for the pension assets as well as information security and cyber risk management. The HR committee dealt with achievement of goals by the Board of Management members and compensation. We also discussed the reappointment and extension of the contract to the CEO, Dr. Steilemann as well as the successor planning for CTO, Dr. Schäfer. An important topic for the Nomination Committee this year, of course, was the skills profile for the Supervisory Board. This was reviewed and supplemented in order to meet the requirements of the new version of the German Corporate Governance Code. The nominee committee also prepared the qualification metrics required by the code, which was then dealt with by the Presidial Committee. The Presidial Committee had a meeting in order to deal with continuing its work on the qualification metrics as well as preparing the decision in the Supervisory Board. The Sustainability Committee dealt with Covestro's climate program, the path towards climate neutrality, including the proposals for target setting and implementation measures for the Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions. This means greenhouse gas emissions, which generated from our own production or from purchased energy. Over the course of the year, the Sustainability Committee also dealt with Scope 3 emissions. In other words, the emission of greenhouse gases from purchased raw materials as well as other up and downstream processes in the added value chain. Here, we're talking about circular economy as well as the EU chemical strategy as well as the approach taken thereon by Covestro. Other topics for the Sustainability Committee included assessment of external rating agencies with regard to ESG, environment, social affairs and governance as well as the approach taken here by Covestro. The ESG aspect abiding by human rights as well as transparent reporting. I'd now like to come back briefly to the Audit Committee. Here, we had a regular exchange between the Chairman of the Audit Committee. At the beginning of the year, this was Dr. Nonnenmacher then Dr. Schneider and our CFO, Dr. Toepfer in order to discuss the risk and compliance system as well as the accounting process at Covestro. The Audit Committee and Supervisory Board, then received the financial statements and the combined management report, which all received an unqualified audit opinion as well as the audit report from the external auditors. With these financial statements and also the assessment as to the further development of the company is something that we have agreed with. As in the past, I'm convinced that the excellent cooperation between Board of Management and Supervisory Board. We have close, transparent and trustworthy cooperation. What is most important to us here is the principles of good corporate governance. Ladies and gentlemen, so that concludes my report on the Supervisory Board. At this point, I would like to say a few words on the compensation report and the adjusted compensation system for the members of the Board of Management. You will be voting on that under agenda items 5 and 6. Let's begin with the compensation system. Our compensation system for Covestro AG's Board of Management members is something that the AGM voted on last year. And approved this with a majority of 88.75%. This system is to continue essentially for the future. That is why the Supervisory Board has not decided on any fundamental change. They simply want to adjust the existing system with a -- adjustment as of the 1st of January 2023. With the adjusted system, it's not only for short term but also for the long-term variable compensation component, you will have the possibility to adjust the payout percent should there be any unforeseeable developments. This provisor will be applied for the first time for the performance period from the 1st of January 2023 until the 31st of December 2026. Supervisory Board has also done away with the mobility lump-sum for new Executive Board members as well as the reimbursement of costs for an annual health check. The Supervisory Board has also implemented the possibility in the compensation system for 2022, which allows us to add additional criteria to the sustainability component. This possibility for the long-term variable compensation as of 2023 can include indirect greenhouse gas. I mentioned Scope 2 was then included in the compensation system and has been included in the presentation of the long-term variable compensation. As in the past and even more so for our justice system, the following will apply. The system is based on the corporate strategy and it should also make a contribution towards sustainable corporate success and to achieving strategic corporate targets. We want to ensure Covestro's attractiveness amongst competitors and also attract highly qualified managers, guarantee high transparency and also be in line with legal and regulatory requirements. Compensation for the Board of Management includes not only performance, non-related components, but also question of variable and multiyear performance-related compensation criteria. The focus of the overall compensation is thus based on long-term sustainable corporate development. In accordance with the responsibility taken by the Board of Management within our model, we are one. We see that all of the Board of managements have the same KPIs in their variable compensation. The link to economic success will guarantee any fluctuation in variable compensation if the targets are over exceeded or missed. Compensation for the Board of Management is in line with the basic principle of the compensation structure at the Covestro Group and this applies for the Board of Management as well as managers and senior executives. They all have the same structure. Ladies and gentlemen, now I'd like to give you a few comments on our compensation report for fiscal '22. This is something that we will be dealing with under agenda Item 5. The Board of Management and Supervisory Board have printed the compensation report. You can find it in the notice to this meeting following the agenda. You will also see the audit opinion by our external auditors, KPMG. The auditors was also mandated to review the contents of the compensation report for fiscal '22. This review is also taken into account in the audit opinion. Ladies and gentlemen, in our written compensation report, you will also see that when the -- at that point in time, the report was still being reviewed to see if and to what extent Covestro would be applying for relief with regard to the loss to keep the prices down for electricity and natural gas and heat. These laws provide for rules regarding bonuses as well as dividends as of certain relief amounts. So the members of the Board of management agreed that certain vested variable compensation components would be shifted at least until April of 2023. Meanwhile, Covestro has decided that they will apply for relief under these laws to keep the prices down. And this would be not to exceed the threshold of EUR 25 million. This means that neither bonus payments nor dividends are banned. Neither of them are banned. Ladies and gentlemen, that brings us now to the discussions, and I have already explained the formalities to you in the past. Please use the respective button in the main menu of the Investor Portal if you would like to request to speak. After submitting a request to speak, you will be added to our list of speakers. Registered speakers will be allocated into groups of probably 5 people. Once they have been called on by me, the debate will be interrupted for around 5 minutes to be able to do a quick technical test with the respective speakers. Subsequently, I will then call upon the first 5 people, one after another for them to connect live with us and with their co-shareholders via video and give them the opportunity to voice their questions and any motions they may have. Please, if possible, submit any of the remarks or questions you might have in one fell through. We will take note of the questions and then collect them for them to be answered. After each group, we will then have a round of answers where the members of the Board of management will refer to these questions, and questions which refer to the area of responsibility of the Supervisory Board will be answered by me assuming that the Board of Management consents. If we still have any open or unanswered questions or requests to speak, we will have a further round of questions until all questions have been answered. I would like to ask you again to please be as brief as possible and try not to exceed 10 minutes. However, there is no formal limitation on length of questions or speaking, but I do reserve the right to limit speakers time if I believe this is necessary for the further cause of the debate. I would just like to also point out the following after the debate and after your questions have been answered, we will begin with the voting procedure. Via our Investor Portal, you can still grant proxies, and instructions until the beginning of the voting procedure, and you can also change or revoke any proxies or instructions you may have issued. You will also be able to submit postal votes until the end of the voting procedure. And at due time, I will tell you before those functions are deactivated to then be able to calculate the results of the voting. Ladies and gentlemen, we shall now begin with the debate. We already have a number of requests to speak. And first speakers are Mr. [ Andreas Masic ] ; Mr. [ Frederic Beckendoff; ] Mr. [ Arne Autenbecg ]; Mr. Alejandro [indiscernible] and Mr. [ Olvi Steva ] . Our technical team would like to ask you and would like to ask these 5 people who I have just named to join them for the technical test in the Investor Portal that will take around 5 minutes. Therefore, the AGM is interrupted for probably around 5 minutes Thereafter, we shall continue with the first speakers. [Break]
Richard Pott
executiveLadies and gentlemen, I would just like to let you know that the technical check for the first speakers will still take a little longer. So I would like to ask for your patience. We will resume the AGM as soon as possible. [Break]
Richard Pott
executive[Interpreted] Ladies and gentlemen, you will have noticed that our technical check took a little longer than we initially thought it would. We please ask your understanding and ask you to accept our apologies. That brings us to the first speaker. But before we do that, I would just like to outline the following procedure. You still have the opportunity and the possibility to request to speak via the investor portal and the respective button there. And we will still continue to just divide you into groups. Our technical team will then contact the respective group of speakers for the technical check. When the respective speakers are activated in the live stream, we will have to use a slightly different method than we originally thought. The respective speaker will be sent an individual link by our technical team. And after I have called their name, they will be able to join the virtual AGM live. So in practical terms, nothing changes for you as a speaker. So just to reiterate, please accept our apologies for the long wait. As you can see, the Supervisory Board is also still present. Our first speaker Mr. Andreas [indiscernible], the floor is yours.
Unknown Attendee
attendee[Interpreted] Thank you very much, Mr. Potts. It's a very exciting AGM. I feel like a bit of a pioneer at this virtual AGM. My name is Andreas [indiscernible]. I am the spokesperson of the SDK Association. And I'm sure shareholders are familiar with our Association. We represent private shareholders and institutional investors at around 500 AGMs. Now I would like to come to the report. Now the dividend policy has set out a 35% to 55% of the Group income to be paid out as dividend. Now Mr. [indiscernible] explained that in 2022, we had solid liquidity with an excess of cash flow. Now would that not be enough of a reason to at least pay out a minimum dividend and then look at adjusting -- the compensation policy to then allow for a dividend for our shareholders? It would be very interested to hear what you have to say about this. Now depreciation led to changes in the Group earnings in the estimated. So please, could you explain what these depreciations were? So now in your presentation for 2022, mentioned was made of an unfavorable tax situation. Is that why -- are changes to the tax policy of the corporation, perhaps envisage and I would also be interested to know how the Board of Management intends to adapt to changes in energy prices in the various regions. Now at the moment, there is a share repurchase plan. And I would like to know what the further plan is in this regard. Regarding the risk assessment on a number of legal risks mentioned, which current legal risks are seen in the [indiscernible] pipeline and the U.S.A. and the supply chain law there with a potential high fines? I would also be interested to know how many people are currently present at the AGM. I would like to explain how the SDK intends to vote today. Now we have the ratification of the actions of the Board of Management and certain matters that are not in the -- at the [indiscernible] of the board of management, such as the Ukraine conflict and the energy price problems and supply chains have -- which have led to certain situations and circumstances. Now the SDK is of the belief that the Board of Management has nevertheless managed to steer the company through these difficult times and has led to good growth in this time. A clear forecast for the ongoing year would, however, be desirable. It is normal to have a long-term framework agreements with customers and suppliers. Usually, this is using some sort of software. That's why I can't quite follow why it's not possible to provide a forecast for the ongoing financial year. This brings me to item 3, the ratification of the members of the Supervisory Board. And according to the detailed report 95% -- 96.5% of the members took part in the Supervisory Board meetings. And the year-end financial statements were audited and approved. And the German corporate governance code regulations were focused on by the shareholders and is referred to Paragraph 171 of the Stock Corporation Act. And we believe that the Supervisory Board fulfilled all of their obligations. KPMG, this is item 4. KPMG was mandated as the annual auditor, and we're talking about a reporting period of EUR 3.6 million. Now the SDK would appeal for a complete division of auditing and consultancy to ensure neutral objective auditing, free from commercial interest. But in the present case, we can accept this KPMG does indeed fulfill the criteria required by the SDK for annual auditing. The approval of the compensation report, now this was formally audited by KPMG in accordance with Paragraph 162 of the Stock Corporation. And therefore, we assume that this report is correct and complete. Agenda, Item 6, approval of the compensation system for the members of the Board of Management. Again, here, I agree, the compensation system is suitable in the -- in regard of payment for performance in the reporting period. We just heard that due to the negative annual earnings 2022, the Board of Management remuneration decreased by more than half year-on-year. And the draft resolution seeks to supplement the adjustment for unpredictable incidents. And the mobility lump sum is going to be renounced and withdrawn and the SDK has no [indiscernible]. I would, however, like to know just the case of understanding, what exactly is meant by an unforeseeable event or unforeseeable incident? That brings me now to Agenda point 7, the decision regarding the supplement of clause 13 of the articles of incorporation regarding the power of the Board of management to hold the AGM as a virtual AGM or we vehemently object to this. The AGM is the only opportunity for shareholders to exchange opinions directly with the management and other shareholders to influence a corporate policy of a company that is a very precious, good in the mind of the SDK. And that is why at least at least are in person, AGM should be held ideally a hybrid AGM to give the opportunity for those people to attend as they wish. Now a regulation in the Articles of Incorporation to introduce a virtual AGM can only be agreed with in the event of a crisis situation and such a crisis situation is only seem to be given if government regulations force this. And therefore, a purely virtual AGM must be objected to, only in emergency situations could ratify this. And in 2024, a purely virtual AGM has been envisaged. Is that the case? Please tell us. Clearly, yes. Then Agenda Item 8, resolution about the adaptation of Item 16, Paragraph 4 of the article's incorporation regarding the possibility for Supervisory Board members to participate in virtual AGMs virtually. Again, we object to this. As per Agenda Item 7, we believe that people should be present in person. Ladies and gentlemen, that was what I have to say. I hope the shareholders concur with the SDKs proposals. And thank you very much for your attention.
Richard Pott
executive[Interpreted] Thank you very much, Mr. [indiscernible], for your remarks and for all your comments. Our next speaker Mr. [indiscernible].
Unknown Attendee
attendee[Interpreted] Thank you, Dr. Potts. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is [indiscernible]. I'm a spokesperson of the DSW and we represent those shareholders who gave us the -- their proxies. Now first of all, I would like to express my regret that today's AGM is being held as a virtual AGM despite the fact that there are no longer any COVID restrictions. We expressly regret the fact that there is no direct exchange between the company and shareholders. And personal dialogue is not possible as we see. We believe this is a very important matter. Dr. Steilemann, unfortunately, I cannot agree with one point that you said. Now participation in a virtual AGM cannot be equated to being at an AGM in person. I believe that this is a little farfetched to claim. Now I know that lots of people have been advocating very strongly for virtual AGMs. Why are we not able to have a hybrid AGM today? Now the reasoning for a virtual AGM today were alluded to by you, Mr. Pott. But I would just like to ask how many people are currently participating in the virtual AGM? And how does this compare to the last in-person AGM of 2019? And how many people are dialed in from abroad? How much has the virtual AGM cost today? And what is the comparison to an in-person AGM? What -- how much CO2 -- how many CO2 emissions have been saved by not having an in-person AGM today? Now we've had some technical problems today. And that has certainly reinforced our critical position regarding this, and we, therefore, appeal to preferably having an in-person agent. We would be very interested to know what caused the technical problems and know if you would be able to rule them out in the future. Ladies and gentlemen, fiscal year 2022 was for Covestro due to many of the external factors, very challenging. And you've alluded to these factors. Despite a record level of group turnover, the operational -- operating profits and operating cash flow have decreased, operating cash flow by minus 90%. Now due to deferred tax assets, we have now posted a loss in the company. So we would be interested to know what has led to this and what measures have been taken. Do the depreciations refer to RFM as acquired from DSM in 2021? And have there been any other depreciations? What headroom do you see in the various units? And under which circumstances do you think there could be a recovery in the midterm of the losses made this year in this last fiscal year? For the shareholders, fiscal year 2022 was bad as well, not least because of the lack of a dividend. And it doesn't seem that there's going to be much improvement in 2023. Now 2022, according to the dividend policy was going to see a dividend payout of 35% to 55% of the group earnings. Now, we can understand why a dividend is not paid out due to the losses. Nevertheless, we still wonder whether the measures taken were correct, whether the correct calculations have been applied. There have been quite some fluctuation in the payment of dividends in the chemical industries. What are your further considerations regarding dividend policy? Perhaps there could be a better basis for calculation based on operating -- free cash flow. Now we're talking about minus 27% of fiscal 2022, which is considerably worse than competitors. We have only a slight improvement over -- on the share index year-on-year. With a volume of 150 million, it seems that the share buyback problem has been discontinued. So one share is also seen often as the third best option for the best use of liquidity. And we also talk about investments in the business or pay out in the form of a dividend. So do you plan to reestablish this program, or would it be more consistent to just discontinue it? What about the implementation of the buyback program? Dr. Steilemann, you talked about Covestro's prospects as well as producing for the markets and also to be structural leadership when it comes to changing from gas. And when we talk about the increase in cost when it comes to competitiveness in European sites, do you see a real risk of a deindustrialization in Germany? DSL also talked about closing a plant in Ludwigshafen and that they would be doing away with 100 jobs. So the same thing happened here, or will we be talking about a loss of competitors and higher production costs? What about the capacity utilization at Covestro? How -- what is the share of plants which are in operation? You produce chlorine, you mentioned that. In 2022, we saw that we also had to discontinue chlorine production in [indiscernible], also the reduction of polycarbonate and TDI. What are the reasons for this, and what are the impacts of this loss in production? In November 2022, you announced that in [indiscernible], you would be taking investments for a world scale planned for MDA, EUR 1.5 billion and that you would reassess this and do so at a later point in time. You are going to have the plant in the United States, and this is also something that's being reassessed. What is the current status? What do you think is the future of the chemicals industry in the United States? Or is it in China? In the U.S. and in China, or in China? What about the production landscape? What will be the geographic distribution in several years' time? Most of your comments, Dr. Steilemann focused on sustainability and circular economy. What about the past year? You were also very active, and you were pioneers. In 2022, we see there are new and more ambitious targets when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions, so that you can be climate neutral by 2035 as well as a [indiscernible] for up and downstream processes as well. Covestro is not yet part of the Science-Based Target initiative such as other companies, for example, Lanxess. What about SBTi? How do you see that? Are you going to commit this? Are you going to commit to Science-Based Climate targets in order to reduce or limit climate warming to 1.5 degrees? Covestro is focusing on circular economy. In the medium and long-term environment, they want to offer a climate-neutral situation. We also have to talk about further identification of circularity in order to have KPIs and to define the targets. And these indicators include a share of alternative fuels in production and the share of circular solutions in the entire portfolio. Could you give us these figures for 2021 and 2022? If these can be calculated, how -- what were they? Now let's come back to today's agenda. Agenda item 6, we're going to be approving an adjusted compensation system for the Board of management. Up until now, this was something that was planned for 2021 and 2022. What was the main reason why the supervisory believe that this system needed to be amended yet again? What are the requirements here? Will we be able to adjust the payout percentage for the long-term variable of their compensation? Maybe the Supervisory Board could have also considered 2019 to 2022. It could have been adjusted, assuming that this tranche would also have included a CO2 factor. For fiscal 2023 when it comes to the long-term variable beginning in that year, CO2 has also included indirect CO2 emissions. What about the targets for reducing CO2 emissions in the short and long-term compensation? What about the risk of a unilateral incentive if savings lead to a higher target achievement when it comes, both to STI and LTI? Here, we also have variable compensation. How can these be extended? Let's come to the elephant in the virtual room when it comes to the Agenda item #7. In today's virtual AGM, we also have not asked the following question. And this is very -- you said it's very close to an in-person AGM. The criteria for your decision to hold a virtual meeting today, it seems to be not specific enough. We see that there -- we expect assurance from the company that in a virtual AGM, nothing will be focused on which would have any impact on the shareholders' rights, a domination agreement or any major changes to the articles of association. I'd also like to -- I won't be commenting anymore on that. Instead of that, I will then reject this Agenda item [indiscernible]. We will vote in favor of the others, however. So that brings us to the fiscal -- current fiscal year, our expressions for 2022. Unlike what you have said, you didn't say very much on this at all. Fiscal '23, you expect an EBITDA clearly below last year, clearly below the free operating cash flow and clearly [indiscernible] over WACC and a double-digit decline. In the past week, you commented on -- you published the figures for the first quarter, much better than expected at the beginning of the year. But you still will be showing a loss. What about the visibility after the first quarter? When we consider the first quarter, have things improved? When will you be able to make your forecast more specific? Do you assume that in fiscal '23 that you will have a balanced result? And what about your forecast for this year, EUR 2.8 billion, does that still continue? Dr. Steilemann, as Chairman of the Association of Chemical Industry, you have been very much in favor of lowering the cost for gas and electricity. You just talked about this in your compensation report in another context that you said you would be looking into a possibility of taking this. Dr. Pott also said something on this today. So my question is, what prices for electricity and gas are you basing this on? And what energy prices do you expect in the medium term? And at the present point in time, are you excluding the 20 -- going beyond the 20 -- are you ruling this out to go beyond the 25 million? Now to conclude my statement, I'd like to talk of the 2 members of the Board of management that are leaving, Mr. Schäfer and Mr. Toepfer. Thank you very much to both of you, who have shown a great deal of commitment to the company over the past years. I'd also like to thank all of the members of the Board as well as the employees who worked very hard in very difficult times. And I'd like to wish you all the very best for fiscal '23. Thank you very much for your attention.
Richard Pott
executive[Interpreted] Thank you, Mr. [ Beckendorff ] for your commentary. The next speaker is Mr. [ Arne Rautenberg ]. Please, the floor is yours.
Unknown Attendee
attendee[ Unfortunately, the sound quality is so bad that the interpreters can't understand anything. ] [indiscernible] [Interpreted] This is down on the European chemicals sector, which posted a gain of 2% and much worse than the DAX, which posted a gain of 12% over the same period, Mr. Steilemann. Real adjustments have to be made, so that Covestro can extricate itself from this [ cost ]. Covestro is suffering under the substantial energy costs, which have risen to over EUR 2 billion. What is your position with respect to the long-term energy cost assumptions? And how would they affect the industrial plants in Germany? Mr. Steilemann, in the past, small cost saving programs were sufficient in order to buffer the cost increases, but this isn't going to be enough anymore. In view of the energy crisis in Europe, the times have changed considerably. We have seen competitors taking increasing numbers of measures. You also plan to follow suit in Covestro. We would welcome this very much. Mr. Steilemann, the Russian war of aggression demonstrates how quickly geopolitical nightmares can become reality. What are the opportunities and risks that you identify in China? How flexible is your China strategy? How quickly could you reduce dependency on China as a production site and a sales region? Ladies and gentlemen, as a sustainable investor, we look to ESG criteria. All economic players have an obligation by 2050 to be climate neutral, so that the global rise in temperature can be limited to below 2 degrees. Every company, including Covestro, won't be able to get around their responsibility for Scope 1 emissions, their own emissions that is, or emissions along the value chain. Without doing a lot to reduce Scope 1, 2 and 3 emissions, you won't be able to curb climate change. From 2025 onwards, therefore, we will no longer invest in CO2-intensive companies who refuse to publish long-term climate targets. This includes Scope 3 emissions on the basis of standardized calculation measures. Union investment will, therefore, increasingly look to ambitious targets of Covestro in terms of the climate, and we'll push for that. The chemical industry is one of the most energy-intensive sectors. Covestro has already announced substantial plans to reduce Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions, but they haven't been validated externally. Why haven't you joined the Science-Based Targets initiative? I believe that this is necessary in order to increase the credibility of these ambitions. We would welcome this a lot. And what about your climate neutrality goals for Scope 3, when will you publish these? Ladies and gentlemen, this brings us to the agenda. We approve the acts of the Supervisory Board and the Board of management, but we're against the draft resolutions on Items 7 and 8. We are not in agreement with Item 8, because no detailed commentary has been provided in terms of the conditions under which the Board of management will avail itself of the possibility to hold a virtual AGM. On top of that, we haven't been told exactly how future AGMs will be held in detail. We are against Item 8, because the physical presence of members of the Supervisory Board is something we believe is essential to maintain the dialogue with the shareholders on the day of the AGM. We agree with all of the other items on the agenda. Ladies and gentlemen on the Board of management and Supervisory Board, as you can see from our tenor, we have a clear preference for in-person AGMs. Only then can you have a proper general debate. Only in such a format can the shareholders really reach the entire Board of management and Supervisory Board. You should be available to the shareholders at least once a year in person, so you can field questions. And in-person proceedings are essential for everyone to gain a feeling for the atmosphere. So we do recommend that you return to in-person proceedings in the future. Thank you so much for your attention.
Richard Pott
executive[Interpreted] Well, Mr. [ Rautenberg ], thank you very much for your submission. The next speaker on my list Mr. Jimenez. Mr. Jimenez, please go ahead.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. Hello. Thank you. So I will first ask the question in English, and then my colleague will translate to German. So hello, my name is Alejandro Jimenez. [indiscernible] asking a question today on behalf of [indiscernible]. [indiscernible] is a [indiscernible] investment platform businesses are about [indiscernible]. The question is also on behalf of ShareAction and [indiscernible]. The ShareAction is NGO that works to promote responsible investing and help companies reach sustainable goals. So this is the decisive decade for the 1.5-degree goal of the Paris Agreement.
Unknown Executive
executiveThe latest report from the IPCC, we affirmed that deep, rapid and sustained greenhouse gas emissions reductions can still limit global warming to 1.5 degrees. Avoiding the worst impacts of climate change. We applaud Covestro for its efforts to align with the 1.5 degrees. The company's aim to transition to 100% renewable energy and 100% renewable alternative raw materials are laudable. Covestro peers in the European chemical sector should follow this example. We would like to ask you about your plans to manage and I quote "possible residual emissions in the future." In your annual report, you said that you are evaluating the use of compensatory measures and things to address possible residual emissions in the future. As Covestro you're aware that trying to compensate for emissions in one area with reductions in another is a risky and possibly unreliable strategy to meet climate goals. So our question is, can Covestro explain what residual emissions you anticipate, what emissions compensation measures you are considering and how you will minimize your reliance on compensation measures as far as possible. Doug will move to Gimenez.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderHello. I'm Alejandro Gimenez. I am asking a question on behalf of [indiscernible] this is a sustainable investment platform and also on behalf of share action, shareholder association. We are currently in a decisive decade where the 1.5-degree centigrade of the Paris agreement has to be achieved. The most recent agreement of the ICC has emphasized that rapid and sustainable reduction of greenhouse gas emissions we'll still be able to limit global warming to 1.5-degrees centigrade in order to stave off the worst possible consequences of climate change. We welcome the efforts of Covestro to achieve the 1.5-degree target. On top of that, we are pleased about the goal of Covestro to increase their dependence on renewable energy and increase the quota of renewable energy and the energy mix. We believe that other players in Europe should follow suit. But we would like to know what Covestro's plans are to manage residual emissions in the future. In your annual report, you declared that Covestro is looking into compensation measures in order to prevent residual emissions in the future. Covestro should be aware that the attempt to compensate emissions in one area by reductions in another is a risky strategy and a strategy that is not reliable when it comes to achieving climate targets. Therefore, my question to you is can Covestro explain to us the residual emissions it anticipates, what measures it is considering to reduce emissions and how they intend to reduce their dependency on compensation measures to the extent possible.
Operator
operatorThank you Mr [indiscernible] for your submissions and your questions. The next speaker on my list is Mr. [indiscernible]
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderChairman, ladies and gentlemen, I'm [indiscernible] I'm a private shareholder. [indiscernible] his presentation spoke of the fact that EUR 245 million in impairment losses have been recognized for losses carried forward. This is surprising to me because on Page 275 of your annual report, you write that all the deferred tax asset overhang are deemed to be maintaining their value. We're talking about more than EUR 200 million. And according to the annual report, these will expire after 5 years. Therefore, I can't understand why you arrive at a number of EUR 245 million in terms of value reductions. My second question relates to the difference on the asset side in terms of pension commitments it has dropped to EUR 5.9 million and possibly these differences on the asset side drop. They will have to be compensated for in the future. This means that we will be facing more burden. And perhaps you could explain to us or please actually do explain to us why these differences on the asset side have been reduced and how you intend to manage the situation in the future. My next question is directed to the rotor blade materials that you mentioned in your speech. You place great emphasis on sustainability and on recycling. And you also presented your project for recycling polycarbonates. The rotar blade, however, are made of composite fiber materials. And these composite fiber materials to date cannot be separated out from each other. And therefore, they are classified as hazardous waste and are harmful for the environment. I don't understand, therefore, how you can speak about sustainability and recycling while thousands of tons of rotor blades will go out of service and that material will have to be dealt with. Please explain to us how you intend to get a handle on that problem. Something that cropped up in my mind is that despite the substantial losses incurred last year, Covestro increased its workforce, all told, 1,329 full-time equivalents were hired given that I would ask you to explain why you're expanding your labor force, whereas you're making losses. I would like to express some praise, however, and this is directed to the Supervisory Board. You're doing a wonderful job in presenting the attendance of our individual members of Supervisory Board in a very transparent manner. And all of the members of the Supervisory Board were present during Supervisory Board meetings and committee meetings with the exception of Mrs. Kingo and Mr. [indiscernible] who was sick in October. Next item on my agenda relates to your operations in Russia. I didn't see any commentary on this. Today, please explain to us what activities you have in Russia and what business you conduct with Russia. My next point relates to the Works Council. The activity of Works Council according to the law is honorary that the employees receive their normal salary or wages and are not compensated in addition to that for their activity in the works council. I have seen other companies deal with the situation differently. Therefore, I'd like to ask you how many members of the Works Council exist in Germany. How many works council members have been exempted from their normal tasks. And please, could you tell us the 3 highest salaries that are paid to members of the Works Council. Now you will probably get back to me with arguments on data privacy, but then I will be tenacious. The number of works council members doesn't allow me to draw conclusions from the salary figures you could disclose with respect to the people that they are attributable to. So I just wanted to say that now, the group last year, incurred a loss. And this is why I'd be interested to know how high the expenses in the group were for gifts in total? And could you please let us know what presence were made and how much they cost perhaps the 5 biggest gifts. Despite the cost -- the net obligations from defined benefit pension commitments rather defined benefit pension commitments, EUR 430 million were spent in 2022 given a loss of EUR 277 million. This means without this net obligation from defined benefit pension commitments, you wouldn't have actually incurred a loss. And here, I'd like to know why, despite the losses, you continue to pay into the defined benefit obligation. You said that Mr Toepfer will join Airbus and the further commentary on the Board of Management gave me the impression that people may be fleeing the Board of Management. My question is whether the shareholders should do the same and perhaps also fleet to Airbus. So my question is what's happening. This is a mass exodus of Management Board members. And a question for Mr. Toepfer He asked for his contract to be ended prematurely. On conclusion of his contract will severance payments, bonuses, et cetera, be paid. In other words, how much in terms of monthly salary would you have to still pay Mr. Toepfer in particular, I'd be interested about the Prisma tranche. EUR 989,000 so we're talking about almost EUR 1 million. 2022 was a last year. And 2023 is almost half over. It doesn't look all that good either of these EUR 991,000 will Mr. Toepfer receive a portion, although he's leaving the company. With respect to Mr. Schäfer in the annual report, you have stated a pension commitment of EUR 126,750 per year which doesn't lap for EUR 126,750 a normal employee would have to work an entire year, and you're just paying this as a pension excuse me, a pension installment to a former member of the Board of Management or someone who will become a former member of the Board of Management. So my question is what the conditions are for these payments? What is the age limit will additional salaries be counted against this we do. And what other pension installments will be paid 2019 Prisma tranche that goes on to 2022 was paid out or excuse me, was deferred in January of 2022 defer it. So you postponed it. So that the other shareholders understand what we're talking about, we're talking about 418,000 -- 488,000, Mr. Shafer, 211,000 and then EUR 256,000 for the fourth board member. So apparently for a last year in this Prisma tranche, there still is -- there still are payments that are being made. And this is why I can't understand the commentary made by the SDK who claim that the system has proven worthwhile I don't see how the pension installments and the payments from the Prisma tranche actually fit. In addition to the pension obligations in Prisma, there's an expense for pension obligations for 2022, the year in which the loss was incurred. And this expense for Mr. Steilemann was EUR 393,000. EUR 90,000 is going to be transferred to its obligation. This is going to be EUR 90,000. Mr. Schafer EUR 186,000 and EUR 246,000 for Mr. Toepfer. This isn't something that we understand the entire system of Management Board conversation is too complex. Therefore, I'd like to ask you how many employees are working on this system. For these 4 members of the Board of Management. And can the employees and management board members not be paid in a way that is understandable in order to avoid a tranche popping up surprisingly somewhere that no one can understand. Now insurance expenses have dropped. Why have your insurance expenses dropped. At the same time, you have received insurance premiums, and they have risen from EUR 30 million to EUR 36 million. The question I have in this regard is what premiums or what do you receive insurance premiums for -- and why are these premium -- or why did these premiums rise in 2022?
Operator
operatorMr. Kibar, thank you for your submission ladies and gentlemen. We now need a couple of minutes in order to prepare answers to the questions we've received so far. Therefore, I shall interrupt the AGM. Once again for approximately 20 minutes, after which we show continue the AGM with the first round of answers. [Break]
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, we hereby resume the AGM, as you can see on screen, the Supervisory Board, the Board of Management and the notary public are still present here today. Therefore, we should like to introduce the first round of answers in response to the first round of questions. And I'd like to hand the floor to Mr. Steilemann, on behalf of the Board of Management.
Markus Steilemann
executiveMr. [indiscernible] you asked about the influence of energy cost bureaucracy and taxes on future site investment all investments project of Covestro have to satisfy certain requirements with respect to profitability and economic liability this includes current site factors such as energy costs, Tax situation and approvals as well as time to implement. [ Mr. Berg, ] you asked about the specific and impact of fasting increases in energy costs on the TDI plant of Covestro in Germany. Furthermore, you were interested in actions that Covestro has initiated in order to react to the situation. Chemicals is a central industry to Germany for the success of the energy transition. We, as a chemical company are aware of our responsibility to combat climate change. And Of course, we depend on green electricity in order for the transition to succeed in Germany and for Germany to remain an attractive business side we need large amounts of renewable energy quickly at affordable prices. In total, the chemical and plastics industry in Europe is facing a huge challenge. A lot of plants in the current crisis couldn't be operated profitably. The danger of the industrialization, therefore, cannot be ruled out, especially given that other regions are setting very unbureaucratic and attractive incentives. The most recent measures taken by the U.S. government are a good example of this. Nevertheless, we're optimistic that we will master the current crisis and emerge from it stronger than before. However, we need political pragmatism and above all speed in order to do so. In Northern Australia, for instance, about 6,500 of our nearly 18,000 employees are active here. Covestro produces 1/3 of the total global production accordingly. We want to invest in the transformation and expansion of our sites in order to make sure that our jobs here in Germany can also be passed on to future generations. One prerequisite for this is the expansion of renewable energy Covestro will source much more energy from renewable sources that it's doing today, but we need to have much more competitive prices for renewable energy in order to do so. The length and complexity of approval procedures also play a role. In both cases, policymakers have to take action and settle the proper stage. Covestro in terms of the product TDI, has thanks to its proprietary fiberglass technology has a leading position in terms of costs in Germany due to the drop in energy costs TDI plant, therefore, is capable of being competitive in production against the foreign competition. Therefore, at present, we don't have any plans to restructure the German or European production infrastructure, especially given that our concept of regional production for regional markets is being upheld. [indiscernible] You asked about cost saving programs which in other companies in the chemical industry have been announced and whether Covestro has similarly similar plans or believes that they are necessary. The constant optimization of workflow and processes has become an integral part of our organization from current measures we can count supplementary initiatives to implement to improve cost of fixed assets, and we have other measures also in place, which will result in tangible relief. This is flanked by portfolio measures such as the successful sale of our 3D printing and additive manufacturing businesses and the announced necessary closure of our Composite Materials business in [ market debut ]. [indiscernible] You asked about the status quo of the planned MDI investment of Covestro and where we believe the future of the chemical industry is. In view of the European energy prices and the constant weakening of the global environment in November 2022, Covestro decided to pause a project for a world-scale MDI plant and to reassess the endeavor. Therefore, the decision on the future site of the plant remains to be taken long term, we'll see long-term growth for global MDI demand driven by trends for energy-efficient construction. And we want to profit from these trends. We will continue to invest in growth in all regions across the world. [ Mr. Beckendorf, ] you also asked about further changes in the geographical distribution of production site of Covestro within the next 5 years. As I already mentioned, we currently don't plan to change our German or European production network or sites in the United States as well as in Asia firms value-generating elements of our global production network. New build of a plant to require painstaking, planning that can take up to 7 years. And even if you want to add on to an existing plant, it takes about 4 to 5 years. Therefore, in the next 5 years, we do not expect any significant change to the geographical distribution of our production network. [ Mr. Beckendorf. ] You are also asking about our considerations with respect to the science-based target initiative. The science-based target initiative, SBTI for short, is a partnership of a number of different stakeholder groups that are interested in developing science-based environmental initiatives in order to achieve the 1.5-degree target. Our net 0 target is based on scientific assumptions that are suitable for to reduce global warning to 1.5 degrees, and it exceeds across sector orientation, [indiscernible] Our interim goal for 2023 is a reduction of greenhouse gas commissions from in-house production and procured energy of 60% compared to 2020. SBTI, however, requires a reduction of just 42% over the same period, the development in relation to sectors specific orientation assistance for the chemical industry from SBTI which will be available from 2025 is something that we continue to monitor. We don't have any plans at present to validate our goals through SBTI as soon as the goals for the sector have been presented. We will revisit this issue. Having said that, I would like to now hand the floor to Mr. Toepfer.
Thomas Toepfer
executiveThank you very much [ Mr. Matt ] you asked if we would consider paying a minimum dividend due to the solid liquidity that we referred to. Now I can tell you that our dividend policy provides for a dividend payout only in the case we have a net profit with a growth between EUR 35 million our net profit in 2022 was unfortunately negative. And therefore, is not possible to pay a dividend. Now if we look at the free operating cash flow, this was also only slightly positive, so that doesn't really give us any significant leeway for dividend payment. We could, of course, envisage in the future if the liquidity would allow for it. If we adjust the dividend policy in the upwards, but we don't want to have a lump sum minimum dividends so that we can then continue to adequately react to crisis situations and continue to whether these storms as a company [indiscernible] also asked where we currently see ourselves with regard to the share buyback program announced in February 2022. Now in February 2022 we did announce a share buyback program of EUR 500 million because at the time, we thought investment in our own shares was the most worthwhile investment for our shareholders that was accompanied by the liquidity from the very successful and fiscal year 2021 and the estimates that we had at the time, which were valid for the overall development 2022. Now as part of 2 tranches, we have EUR 75 million, each in the first half of 2022, we have already EUR 3.5 million worth of shares due to the depression or the recessionary environment due to the Russian war Russian and Ukraine. We then pause the buyback program . Nevertheless, we are still convinced of the attractiveness of our investment. And we will therefore continue that program as soon as we can see a sustainable recovery of Horizon. On the horizon I think you also asked if we were intending to make any amendments in the corporate structure and company structure due to the unfavorable tax mix. Now we are an internationally operating company. And in 2022, we had very positive tax results outside of Europe. That means that we had high tax in these countries on the contrary, we had very negative results, in particular, in Germany because of not applying because of the deferred tax asset -- that led to an unfavorable mix which led to a high tax growth in the Covestro group. Because this is a result of favorable geographic alignment of the corporation, we don't see any -- and then we see the structure as being [indiscernible], you also asked about class action lawsuits U.S.A., any risks also regarding the supply chain and the pipeline in [indiscernible] now since 2018, we've had 12 class actions that have been filed in Western Pennsylvania, in all of these transactions, it is claimed that various manufacturers of MDI and TDI had in the MD on TD [ infringement ] a number of laws regarding the production of MDI and TDI and the general -- Attorney General of Mississippi in September 2019. On behalf of the state and its citizens made similar assertions also. The infringement of consumer protection rights and competition law. But in the time -- in the meantime, those claims have been invoked to Covestro at the moment does not see any justification before the assertions made in these assertions and the discovery phase which is currently ongoing. Will be concluded probably by 30th of June. You also asked about any legal risks resulting from the supply chain. Now I would, first of all, like to say that Covestro is 100% committed to complying with human rights. We advocate the UN guiding principles for industry and human rights and the respective national action plans we are committed as a company to our responsibility to comply with all human rights including in any subsidiaries and any global supply chains and the value creation change and we also wish to prevent any infringement on human rights. We have a respective management system and our human rights office which is supervised by our global Human Rights Officer is committed and dedicated to the comprehensive integration of human right requirements in our company, our management approach is based on the guiding principles for industry and human rights at the United Nations also takes into account for the German supply chain but due diligence and the French more on compliance with human rights. Now these measures implemented in collaboration with our human rights office and our management system for human rights due diligence follow in the following. First of all, A clear commitment to protecting human rights in all Covestro's activity secondly, a regular risk analysis of our business activity all along the value creation change. Thirdly, the definition of any measures required to prevent identified risks and monitors these. Fourthly The introduction of a complaint mechanism for an edged incidents and infringement specifically, reporting about our activity since our complaint mechanism has been in place since 2021 And has been no notification of a confirmed infringement of human right the legal risks referred to arising from the supply chain due diligence tax are limited to trade requirements they are not industry specific and the work of associations, in particular, of the VCI and direct indirect exchange with legislators have given us a good understanding of the expectation of the made of the chemical industry. Now we believe that as Covestro, we are in a good position to come from any potential legal risk in conjunction with the supply chain due diligence Mr. Martin, you also asked about our CEO the connection pipeline.
Thomas Toepfer
executiveAny potential legal risks in conjunction with the supply chain due diligence. Mr. Masek, you also asked about our CO connection pipeline. Now for many years, we have been of the belief that the litigation trial has no grounding and we will indeed be successful now the Supreme Court of the [indiscernible], in its decision on the 31st of August 2022 had -- they dismissed the litigation suit as unjustified. And the court in Dusseldorf on the 28th of February 2023 also followed suit. We, therefore, are still I'm extremely confident that any pending -- a few pending lawsuits against us will also be rejected. Mr. Masek, you asked about the reasons for the depreciations in 2022 for material assets and deferred tax assets. And you also asked about the calculation method for these assets. Now the depreciation for fixed assets was calculated in accordance with the requirements of the international accounting standard, IAS 36. Now according to this, if there are indications of depreciation of an individual asset or individual assets which can be allocated to units which is generating payment means has to be audited. If the achievable amount does not exceed the respective booking and accounting amount, the depreciation is posted has the difference between the booking value and the achievable. Now in fiscal year 2022, the war of aggression started by Russia against Ukraine, led to extremely negative changes in the economic environment of Covestro, in particular, the huge increase of energy prices which could only be confronted and passed on to customers to a certain extent. The expected downturn in demand led to a generally recessive -- recessionary environment due to this, and the fact that we saw a considerable increase in the third-party capital costs, a number of audits were initiated. Covestro believes the strategic plans were done correctly and this is done correctly on the various reporting levels within the 7 business units specialty which also have the 2 reporting segments Performance Materials and Solutions and Specialties. Now as part of the audits of 2022, the achievable volume was posted as a cash flow of the expected future cash flow in these units. The forecast of the -- for future cash flow are based on current corporate planning of the Covestro Group and normally look at the forecast period of 5 years and the result of this -- of these depreciation audits and checks were -- has found that the achievable volume for business with standard poly to polyols and standard TDI and so on and so forth would be the low in the respect to the [ economic ] value and therefore an exceptional depreciation was to be carried out in these areas, now these adjustments were in particular, the result of a downturn in the economic environment, which also had a number of negative effects. Now, we have the cash flow forecast before all of the assumptions about future sale prices and volumes costs, the growth rates and so on and so forth. And that has a negative effect on the attainable volume. On the other hand, the considerable increases in costs in the raw materials and energy sectors will lead to fundamentally increased capital binding. Now to record the depreciation, in accordance with the regulations of IAS 36, first of all, the business and company value of the respective areas was completely taken into account. In the business year -- in fiscal year 2022, we had a total of depreciation of EUR 463 million and EUR 27 million of those assets and EUR 463 to the earnings of the results of the previously noted depreciation assessment. Of this EUR 436 million, EUR 267 million accountable to the business with standard polyurethane polyols, EUR 99 million to standard TDI, EUR 46 million to the business with powder resins and EUR 27 million polyurethane specialties and solutions. Moreover in 2022 in Germany within the Covestro AG we had around EUR 250 million active deferred taxes, which were are not applied. And the nonapplication of these active deferred taxes is due to the fact that we do not assume that these deferred taxes will be usable within an applicable and acceptable period. Mr. Masek, you also asked about the reasons for the thus far only qualitative comparative forecast 2023. Now in past years, we provided a forecast, in particular, for the steering KPIs, EBITDA and FOCF always as quantitative values as part of the EUR 500 million. That -- now given the fact that we believe that 2023 will continue to be a challenging year with certain economic outlooks and geopolitical frameworks, we decided for the time being to provide quality -- qualified comparative values. Now our contracts with our customers have short terms. At the same time, we have high volatility with the raw material and energy costs. Moreover, the demand situation is very difficult to predict still, and that is why the system face -- forecast for Covestro is not practicable in an integrated fashion. It is our goal, however, -- regarding the EUR 500 million EBITDA and FOCF that we wish to return to this. And we also wish to have a ROCE over WACC within a certain level defined as well. And further developments will actually be decisive for when we can return to that system. Mr. Beckendorf you asked whether in the ongoing fiscal year, there will be any further exceptional depreciations to be expected for material assets and immaterial assets. You also asked according to which conditions in the medium term we may have recoveries. You also asked about the individual headroom for various units. Now we take into account all of the balance statements and assessment methods. And we use and apply all of these indicators for all generating units. Now regarding the activated business and company value, we always have to look at these indicators. And so far as there are any indicators which suggested, there will be any depreciations that were not applicable to 2022, another test would -- we carried out. Now there could be an asset recovery, on one hand. On the other hand, We cannot have an allocation here for depreciated assets. At the moment, we don't see any significant indications that the reasons for these exceptional depreciations in fiscal 2022 are now no longer applicable. At the same time, we don't see that the depreciations that have been carried out in 2022 will not be sufficient. Now regarding the so-called headroom, at the time of the central test in the fourth quarter of '22, the following applied. Overall, when there was excess of the generated [indiscernible] units, which were not subject to any depreciation, and this has exceeded the overall book value of EUR 8.7 billion by about EUR 4 billion. A large portion of this headroom was due to the segment Solutions and Specialties. Now we had book values of EUR 300 million or more for all nondepreciated payments. And we had a relative headroom at least 20%. The average relative headroom for all nondepreciated areas was around 46% on the day of calculation. Now please do understand that we cannot provide you with any further details for competitional reasons. Now the question of active deferred taxes, the differences between the tax value and IFRS, the group balances, balance statements and any posted losses are subject to forecasts. Now in the medium term, we may see a reapplication of active deferred taxes in Germany, if the forecast for Covestro AG would say that this is probably in a foreseeable time. Now Mr. Beckendorf, you were asking about considerations about the dividend policy and what our considerations might be and what our free operating cash flow might allow for here for a more suitable basis of calculation. Now, I fundamentally I agree with you that there are a number of difference in the perspectives that one could take. Now at first, we decided not to provide any adjusted figures because we would then have to -- we would like to be able to assess all of our options. That is why we believe that nonadjusted reported figures are more pertinent as indicators, and these are the figures that have been provided by the auditors. Of course, it could be envisaged that we have a cash parameter as a reference parameter. And then free operating cash flow is one of our key core performance indicators. It's a very relevant parameter. And given this, all in all, we have taken the nonadjusted net profit as the reference parameter for our dividend policy, and we believe that this is the correct way to proceed. Now Mr. Beckendorf, you also asked for an explanation of the reasons for the depreciations that have been posted in for information about which business units were affected in particular. You also asked as to whether there were any depreciations on parts of the business Resins & Functional Materials that was acquired in 2020 -- 2021. Now in fiscal 2022, we had depreciation of EUR 463 million in the financial statements and EUR 27 million were accounted for by a number of different assets and EUR 436 million of depreciations of assets as a result of central depreciation calculations. Now these calculations, our impairment tests were carried out on the basis of what is known as generating units. Now, of the EUR 463 million, EUR 267 million were accounted for by the standard polyol business; EUR 99 million, standard TDI; EUR 46 million of for the powder resins and EUR 27 million for the polyurethanes specialties and solutions. Depreciations in the powder resins, we're referring to our nonfixed assets which were applied during the sale price allocation during the acquisition of RFM. Now in fiscal 2022, the war of aggression started by Russia, this led to significant negative changes in the economic environment. And because these increased costs could only be passed on to customers to a certain extent in 2022, we saw a downturn in the business forecast year-on-year. And a further effect year-on-year in 2021 was the increase of third-party capital costs. Mr. Beckendorf, you also asked about the reasons provided by the Board of management regarding the poor development of the Covestro shares compared to the selected STOXX Europe 600 Chemicals index. Now, STOXX Europe 600 Chemicals is a very broad and diverse index, with our cyclicality, we were affected by the energy crisis and global downturn in demand. In particular, we're therefore somewhat below the overall performance of the index. Mr. Beckendorf, you also wanted to know if the share buyback program would be resumed and how successful the implementation has been so far. And you also asked if it might not be a better idea to completely stop that. On the 28th of February, 2022, we have announced the program for the buyback of shares to the value of EUR 500 million. We did that because we were convinced that, that was the best way of investing in our own shares to then remain profitable. And by June 2022, we had bought back 3.5 million shares to the value of a total EUR 150 million. The average purchase price per share was EUR 43.08. Now given the challenging economic environment, we paused the program and have not carried out any further tranches. We believe that we need to see a foreseeable stabilization of our liquidity before we can resume this. And we are still, however, convinced that our shares are very attractive investments. Now Mr. Beckendorf, you also asked whether visibility regarding the forecast for 2023 has improved and when we will be more specific about this. Now as I've already set out, given the fact that the economic and geopolitical frameworks and conditions continue to be challenging and uncertain, we have, first of all, decided to allocate the forecast for 2023 as qualified -- as being a qualified comparative. However, our plan is to return to the quantitative figures with EBITDA and FOCF and with the parameter ROCE over WACC within one band. However, wait and see how the economy develops before we return to them. Mr. Beckendorf, you also asked whether our net profit for fiscal 2023 will at least be balanced. Now if you look at our EBITDA forecast, significantly below the previous year, we might have a positive net result. But where we will actually be at the end of the day will depend on the actual achieved EBITDA and also tax burdens across the various different countries. And more specific forecast is not possible at this moment. Mr. Beckendorf, you also asked about our portfolio of the forecasted mid-cycle EBITDA concept with a planned EUR 2.8 billion. Now as I've already said, in almost 3 quarters, Covestro was subject to energy price developments like we have never seen before. We are now, however, back in a realm where we believe that we can make our European sites competitive again against imports from other regions. Now in absolute terms, the import situation is due to the recessive demand. Now with a return and recovery of the economic environment, we will -- we still stick with our mid-cycle forecast and that is an EBITDA of EUR 2.8 billion in 2024. And that is no change over what we have already announced in the past. Now Mr. Beckendorf, you also asked what our electricity and gas prices -- what our forecast used for the electricity and gas prices for 2023. And you also asked whether we would intend to apply for relief for over EUR 25 million. Now, fundamentally, we have contracts for short-term and midterm pricing. So that is up to 3 years. In Germany, that would therefore be the index of the EEX electricity and gas energy index. Now, we will apply for the energy price break with absolutely by the top limit of EUR 25 million, assuming we do fulfill the criteria such as with these various contracts and options. We do, however, rule out applying for an energy price break relief for -- over EUR 25 million. And I would now pass to my colleague, Sucheta Govil.
Sucheta Govil
executiveThank you. Beckendorf, you also asked about the share of alternative raw materials in production and the share of circular solutions in our overall product portfolio for 2022 and 2021. Sales of products based on alternative raw materials are currently around 1% but have already increased compared to 2021. In line with sales volumes, the proportion of alternative raw materials purchased is also around 1%. In order to drive the development of our sustainable product portfolio with a focus on circularity, we announced last year that in the long term, we intend to offer all products in a climate-neutral version. That follows the principle of the circular economy. As a step in this direction, we are focusing on our Circular Intelligence, or our CQ portfolio solutions with alternative raw materials. They consist of at least 25% alternative raw materials. And for us, alternative raw materials are raw materials based on biomass, CO2 or waste or materials produced on a nonfossil basis using renewable energy. One example of such a sustainable product is our climate neutral MDI. And under the CQ label, which is only a few months old, we have already sold almost 1,000 metric tons in 2022. The further expansion of a sustainable product portfolio is supported by our innovation portfolio. In line with our sustainability goals by 2025, 80% of our R&D project costs will be used for research and development in areas that contribute to achieving the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals. In particular, we support product innovation that contributes to these goals whilst taking into account our innovation, our goals regarding circular economy and of course, climate neutrality. We have already been steering the product portfolio towards greater sustainability since 2016. At the same time, of course, we are revising our method to also assess the sustainability of our existing products, particularly with regard to circular economy and climate neutrality, and to align our product portfolio even more closely to this in the future. With that, I hand over to my colleague, Dr. Klaus Schafer.
Klaus Schäfer
executiveThank you, all. Thank you, Such. Mr. Beckendorf, in view of the strong rising energy costs, you've asked about the valuation of the competition or competitiveness of the German and European sides of Covestro. And you also asked whether a creeping deindustrialization looms on the horizon. Chemicals is a central industry for Germany, and it's elementary if we want to succeed in the green transformation. As an energy-intensive industry, we shoulder a special responsibility in combating climate change. However, we're also especially dependent on the availability of green electricity in order for the transformation to be successful in Germany and for the site to remain attractive over the long term, we require above all large volumes of renewable energy quickly and at competitive prices. Overall, the chemical and plastics industry in Europe is facing enormous challenges. Many plants can't -- or in the past, weren't able to be operated profitably in the current crisis. A danger of deindustrialization, therefore, cannot be ruled out, especially given that other regions are already employing positive and unbureaucratical incentives. The most recent measures taken by the U.S. government are a good example such as the Inflation Reduction Act. Nevertheless, we're confident that we'll be able to master the current crisis and emerge from it stronger than before. However, we need political pragmatism and above all speed of action in order to do so. In North-Rhine Westphalia, for example, approximately 6,500 of our just under 18,000 employees worldwide are active. This is where we conduct 1/3 of our total global production. Accordingly, we intend to invest in the transformation and the expansion of our sites in order to make sure that jobs here are future-proofed and can be handed down to future generations. It's very decisive to expand renewable energy massively and quickly, after all chemicals and Covestro will need a large amount of renewable energy en route to achieving climate neutrality. Another essential point is the duration and complexity of approval procedures. In both cases, policymakers have to take urgent action and set the right stage. Given the significant reduction in energy prices in Germany and Europe that has occurred recently, we are now in a situation in which our European sites can or have regained their competitiveness over imports from other regions of the world. As before the height of the energy crisis over the past year, we are active, again, in regional markets with regional competitors that are subject to similar energy costs in view of the increasing liquid gas capacities -- import capacities that is. We assume that the energy price will remain on the current level. And therefore, the competitiveness of our production plants is secured. Mr. Beckendorf, you asked us about potential production closures by us in Germany and whether we will be able to benefit from some competitors failing. Furthermore, you asked us about the current capacity utilization of our plants in Germany and the share of plants that is operation. The current and future production costs in Europe are a constant burden, with which both the individual companies as well as the sector as a whole and the regulatory authorities have to deal. Thanks to our intensive research activities in the development of innovative production methods such as gas-based technology in TDI manufacturing or the adiabatic-isothermal phosgenation technology for MDI, Covestro commands a leading cost position with its core products, cost leadership through technology leadership. In addition, we believe that our key products, MDI and polycarbonates, have wonderful future and growth prospects in insulation, electromobility and wind energy. Capacities available in Europe are therefore essential in order to meet this demand. We, therefore, currently don't plan to restructure our German or European production infrastructure. When competitors decide to close production plants permanently, such decisions can have a negative impact on product availability of the industry, especially in times of heightened demand. We plan to run our production facilities at full capacity for our core products, TDI, MDI and polycarbonates by the end of the year. The capacity utilization of the European plant base is limited, unfortunately, due to a temporary scarcity of chlorine. Otherwise, our plants, unless they are subject to scheduled or unscheduled outages, are in full operation. Moving back to chlorine. Mr. Beckendorf, you asked about the backdrop and the effects of the production outage of the chlorine production activities at the Dormagen site with respect to the production of polycarbonate, MDI and TDI. The chlorine plant at Dormagen was damaged due to an incident in August 2022, which was last year. And due to the limited availability of spare parts and resources, the plant can only be recommissioned step by step. Furthermore, security is an indispensable basis for the business activities of Covestro. Therefore, we work closely together with the authorities and adhere resolutely to existing provisions and regulations, which can result in time delays. Due to the incremental and only partially possible recommissioning of chlorine production at the Dormagen site, the limitations for Covestro's in-house TDI production and for the chlorine deliveries to other companies active in the chemical parks have been limited. Let me clarify something, the production of polycarbonates and MDI is not -- does not affect the Dormagen site as a result of force majeure. Covestro manufacturers polycarbonate and MDI, amongst other things, at the sites in Krefeld-Uerdingen and not in Dormagen. For the sake of completeness, I would like to mention, however, that polycarbonates and MDI has a relative force majeure in chlorine production are affected in Krefeld-Uerdingen and, therefore, are only available to a limited extent. We currently assume that, by September 2023 at the earliest, we will be able to fully meet our delivery obligations and, therefore, eradicate the force majeure situation until we have overcome force majeure. As a matter of principle, however, we will only be able to deliver limited amounts of the products that are affected by force majeure.
Richard Pott
executiveOkay. Then I shall continue now. Mr. [ Mastek ], you asked about the current number of participants in our AGM. 113 participants are currently dialed in to today's AGM. Mr. [ Mastek ], you wanted to know about our preference with respect to a virtual AGM in 2024 and 2025. We could envisage holding further virtual AGMs and therefore, we are putting up for vote, the authorization of us in order to implement them. The decision on whether to exercise the authorization will be taken at the beginning of the corresponding year. Mr. [ Mastek ], you refer to Item 6 on the agenda, approval of the compensation system for the Board of Management, and you asked about the reasons for the introduction of an adjustment clause for unforeseeable and unplannable developments in the long-term variable compensation referred to as the long-term incentive or LTI for short. You asked why this clause has been introduced and what developments this entails? Well, first of all, we expand the possibilities of the Supervisory Board, which in the area of short-term variable compensation already has options to include the long-term variable compensation. This possibility of adjusting the payout percentage in the event of unforeseeable and unplannable development is supposed to prevent take on effect in the form of exorbitant increase in payout. These could result from greenhouse gas emissions being reduced less or more than planned. It also enables the correction in the event of acquisitions, which could make a significant contribution to future emissions. This is supposed to avoid that the assessment of strategically important investment decision is curtailed by potential effects on the long-term variable compensation. The Supervisory Board is therefore authorized in the event of material structural changes in the Covestro Group to take account of regulatory changes or unforeseeable economic developments that have a significant impact on the achievement of goals by the LTI programs, the LTI percentage payout ratio, et cetera and exercise its discretion in doing so. Such individual significant changes and developments are deemed to the present in the event of a change in total payout from the LTI program of at least 5 percentage points compared to the situation without considering the event. Mr. [ Beckendor ], you also asked the extent to which the AGM of the chemical -- of the Association of Chemical Industries in 2020 took place? You also asked why today we are not holding a hybrid event. Details on general meetings of the [ PCI ] over the recent years are not available to us. We can at least say that the AGM there in 2022 was hybrid and that 60 guests attended virtually and 154 guests were present in person. In addition, the legislator in 2022, has anchored virtual AGMs as an alternative to in-person AGMs in the German Stock Corporation Act. It also has created the opportunity to conduct AGMs in virtual format in the future after assessing the possible options under consideration, in particular of this current legislation. Our shareholder structure, expected costs, the current pandemic situation experience gained in previous years, we reached the decision to conduct a virtual AGM in 2023 as well. Mr. [ Beckendor], you asked about the number of attendees at today's AGM compared to the in-person AGM in 2019. In addition, you'd like to know the share of participants from abroad. We are transmitting our virtual AGM via various channels, including global public channels, such as our website and various social media channels. We do not have enough information about how many people are actually following the AGM via these channels, unfortunately. In our investor portal, as I said before, we have a total of 113 shareholders and/or their representatives who have dialed in, in the investor portal. You and everyone else has at their disposal, the participants register list us, all of the voting proxies nominated by the company present here in the room as well as the shareholders that they represent, along with their respective shareholdings. In addition, in line with the most recent statutory regulations, all shareholders and representatives or proxies have been stated who have dialed into the AGM electronically today, the participants register also contains information on the domicile of the shareholders listed there in. However, whether they are actually participating from a domicile abroad or from another location is information that is not at our disposal. At our last in-person AGM in 2019, 554 shareholders or proxies attended on-site in Bonn. Mr. [ Beckendor], you also asked about the cost of this year's AGM and about the cost savings compared to an in-person AGM. For the virtual event this year, 2023, the costs amount to approximately EUR 800,000. With this concept, the cost therefore, are about half of the cost of an in-person proceedings. Mr. [ Beckendor ] you asked about absolute CO2 savings achieved through the implementation of the AGM as a virtual AGM. It is very complex to conduct this type of the calculation as you may well imagine, and according to our knowledge, it is not very precise. But as I mentioned in opening, we are convinced that our virtual AGM has a much more favorable environmental footprint. This year, we are announcing an external meeting room, and we're transmitting the AGM from within our own office space here in Leverkusen. We also don't have as much travel cost by the service providers or other employees that are supporting the organization of the AGM. Employees, resources, furniture and technology can be used elsewhere in the company. Therefore, the number of individuals participating in the AGM today has also been reduced to an efficient minimum. We have fully renounced guests due to the virtual format. Therefore, expenses and environmental impact by catering waste and water have been reduced further. Mr. [ Beckendor ], you've asked about the reasons for technical problems when connecting speakers today, and you wanted to know how Covestro will ensure next time that everything worked seamlessly. Mr. [ Beckendor ] as you were able to figure out yourself, the last step to connect the speakers didn't succeed seamlessly. For this reason, we have agreed on an alternative solution together with the service providers involved. As I mentioned earlier, we apologize for the long waiting time. At current, we are analyzing with everyone involved the potential causes so that if we were to hold virtual AGMs in the future, we could avoid any technical interference and disturbance. Mr. [ Beckendor ], you asked about the specific reasons why, from the perspective of the Supervisory Board, the compensation system of the Board of Management had to be changed. The amendment to the compensation system relating to introduction of the possibility to adjust the payout percentage in the event of unforeseeable and unplannable development. So doing a corresponding discretionary adjustment was included analogous to the existing provision in relation to short-term variable compensation, Supervisory Board in doing so would like to have a uniform structural approach for both variable compensation components by adding the sustainability component. The Supervisory Board availed itself of an option already existing in the system. So basically, this was merely an implementation of an existing provision, not an amendment. Mr. [ Beckendor ] you asked, under what conditions the Supervisory Board would avail itself of the newly created possibility to adjust the payout percentage of long-term variable compensation, LTI. As I mentioned earlier, the possibility to adjust the payout percentage for the LTI was introduced in order to be able to take account and react to unforeseeable and unplannable developments. These can be -- take on effects in the form of an exorbitant payout that can result from a significant decline in production and a reduction in emissions that are not primarily due to in-house measures. It also enables to correct -- to make corrections in the event of acquisitions that make significant contributions to emissions and avoids that the assessment of strategically important investment decisions is curtailed by the potential impact on the long-term variable compensation. The Supervisory Board is therefore authorized in the event of material structural changes within the Covestro group regulatory changes or unforeseeable economic developments that have a substantial impact on the total target achievement of the long-term incentive programs to adjust the corresponding payout percentage according to its discretion. Furthermore, you asked whether Supervisory Board adjusted the payout of the Prisma tranche 2019 to 2022 under the assumptions of the tranche already included a CO2 factor. Concrete response to this question is impossible unfortunately, because the savings potential for greenhouse gas emissions over a period of 4 years for the first time in the Prisma tranche 2021 to 2024 was introduced in the tranche that you addressed, therefore, 2019, 2020, 2 calendar years are contained for which no savings gold has been identified. At the same time, in this 4-year period, there were 2 events that the Supervisory [indiscernible] definitely have considered in this period. This is the acquisition and integration of the business segment Resins & Functional Materials, DSM and the significant decline in production. And primarily -- and the reduction in emissions that was caused primarily by this in 2022, both transactions as a matter of principle, are assigned to the category of those events that the Supervisory Board could consider for an adjustment. Mr. [ Beckendor ], you asked about the ratio of reduction targets for greenhouse gas emissions for the short-term and long-term variable compensation and you expressed your concern about a one-sided incentivization. Furthermore, you asked about the expansion of variable compensation by additional ESG criteria. Well, first of all, the targets are different between STI and LTI with respect to the corresponding time horizons for the short-term variable compensation as before, we have the group-wide compensation program, Covestro profit sharing plan, Covestro PSP for short. This applies for the predominant number of employees of Covestro Worldwide. The members of the Board of Management of Covestro also participate in the Covestro PSP program and receive their short-term variable compensation on the basis of the provision of this compensation program. For this, the Supervisory Board recently for a multiyear period, namely the period from 2022 to 2024 establishes values for the 100% payout from the corresponding key figures including the greenhouse gas emissions of Scope 1 and Scope 2 within the scope of the long-term variable compensation program for the tranche is up until 2025. We defined an emission target only for the direct emissions i.e., Scope 1 emissions. Accordingly, the desired reduction for both stages, Scope 1 and Scope 2 becomes relevant for the first time for the tranche ending in 2026, the corresponding target for both compensation programs has been derived from our road map to climate neutrality with which by 2030, we want to achieve a reduction of greenhouse gas emissions of 60% compared to 2020. The reduction of emissions plays a key role within the scope of our company vision to fully align our business to the circular economy and sustainable growth. The Supervisory Board, therefore, believes the greenhouse gas emissions are one of the predominantly relevant key figures in order to ensure the operative orientation of the Covestro Group and the company vision. This is done justice to in our view by the fact that the key figure in both -- the key figure has been anchored in both variable compensation systems on top of that, the indirect greenhouse gas emissions of upstream and downstream processes have to be reduced as well in the value-added chain. This is Scope 3, a concrete target that will be formulated during this year. This will definitely be considered in the targets for variable compensation. On top of that, at present, for the new tranche from 2024 to 2027 of the long-term compensation system as well as for the short-term compensation system starting in 2025, various options for further key figures on the basis of ESG are being discussed and reviewed. We ask of your understanding that at present, we cannot make any concrete statements with respect to the detailed design of future compensation plans. Mr. [ Beckendor ], you asked about the authorization to conduct virtual AGMs, which is up for vote today. Let me start by saying that in the last years, we made good experiences with the virtual format. With respect to the virtual AGM format, we received positive feedback throughout. The drawback, however, was that we were not able to enter into a direct dialogue with you. Now that we have provisions in the German Stock Corporation Act that enabled the conduct of virtual AGMs, that legislator has strengthened the rights of shareholders significantly. The Board of Management and the Supervisory Board are therefore of the opinion that this virtual format is, therefore, practicable and also share friendly as an alternative to classical in-person AGMs. For this reason, we propose to you under Item 7 on the agenda to amend the articles of incorporation in order to authorize the Board of Management to reach decisions on the format of future AGMs in the future. We made a conscious decision in favor of the alternative of the authorization and the like the further option envisaged by the legislator, where the articles of incorporation of a company in general can envisage the conduct of virtual AGMs. In this way, from year-to-year, a flexible decision can be reached in the interests of the company and all of our shareholders. Our complication definitely allowed you to glee the fact that we intend to exercise this authorization in a responsible manner. And for this reason, we don't want to completely exhaust the potential authorization period of up to 5 years this year fully and therefore, have limited it to the next 2 years, 2024 and 2025 for the Annual General Meeting in these 2 years, we will reach the decision according to due diligence, exercising our discretion with due responsibility, taking account of shareholder rights, sustainability issues as well as cost aspects. And considering the interest of the shareholders, we are fully aware of the fact that it can make a difference to shareholders whether the company law measures you mentioned are envisaged on the agenda. We ask of your understanding that today, we cannot present you with a binding or general checklist for the next years. And we also ask of your trust that we will exercise our discretionary powers to reach this decision within the ambit of the law responsibly. This brings me to the end of my answers, and I think Mr. Steilemann will continue.
Markus Steilemann
executivethank you very much, Mr. Pott. Mr. Rautenberg, you asked me what I thought about the geopolitical situation in China and the risks that Covestro has. You also asked about flexibility at Covestro, our dependence on China as a production site and question of reducing our sales market. We are faced with a significant increase in geopolitical risks in all regions where we are active. We are developing emergency plans for all relevant scenarios. Hypotheses for specific conflicts are things that we will not comment on. Part of our strategy has been localization of production in the most important markets. We call this local for local. And this gives us a certain amount of protection against disruptions in global trade streams. Our financial department has also considered a number of possible risks and also has a number of measures prepared and we see that from major investment decisions, we also take into account geopolitical risks. China had a share of just over 20% of our revenue. Although we have a good position in China. This is clearly lower the share -- below the share of China's in global market for our product. So China, is it important market and production site for China. With regard to our existing production setup in China, we have a certain flexibility with regard to the regions supplied from there, but a shift of our existing production site is something which is hardly possible. Mr. Rautenberg, you asked questions about Covestro's climate targets, especially as to when Covestro will be announcing Scope 3 climate targets and whether SBTI certification would be considered with regard as to a goal of the Paris Conventions, limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees. Last year, we gave our own goal in order to have net-zero emissions by 2035. We plan to have these emissions reduced by 60% to 2.2 million metric tons CO2 equivalents compared to 2020. The absolute Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions last year dropped compared to 2020 by just under 12%, in line with our strategic focus on circularity and climate protection, we are now working on a Scope 3 reduction target, the long-term reduction of indirect greenhouse gas emissions from up and downstream processes in the value chain. We are planning to announce this target this year. In 2022, the Scope 3 emissions accounted for close to 78% of the total amount of greenhouse gas emissions from our group. Most of the Scope 3 emissions were in the categories which are upstream. And we also see a switch in our raw material basis as the major level to reduce Scope 3 emissions. Procuring alternative raw materials is especially important here. By alternative raw materials, we mean all raw materials based on biomass, CO2 waste or non-fossil basis or that are produced with renewable energy. As part of our current target development, we are now analyzing all of the options we have to reduce Scope 3 emissions, including downstream of the value chain. We are acting according to our vision in order to focus completely on circular economy. You also asked about a validation of our climate targets as a result of the science-based target initiative. And if so, when. The SBTi, science-based target initiatives is a partnership amongst a number of different interest groups, their goal being to draw up scientifically founded climate targets within the hope of achieving the 1.5 degree target. Our net-zero target is based on scientific assumptions that we can reduce global warming to 1.5 degrees and exceeds the orientation of the SBTi. Our intermediate goal for 2030 is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from 60% compared to 2020. SBTi calls for a reduction of 42% in the same period of time. Developments with regard to specific orientation for the chemicals industry using SBTi, which are to be ready by 2024, our developments that we are observing very carefully. Right now, we do not plan to have our targets validated by SBTi. But as soon as the guidelines are available for the chemical sector, of course, we will have another look at that. Mr. [indiscernible], you asked about the residual emissions we expect. What compensation measures we are considering and how we want to minimize the dependence on compensation measures to the greatest possible ascent. Covestro's target is to have net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2035 in our own production as well as in the consumption of externally procured energy. We're doing everything we possibly can to reduce our emissions on our own in order to achieve our net-zero target, we have defined 3 different action areas. First of all, optimize our production processes so that we can have a sustainable and energy-efficient production. We also intend to increase the share of electricity from renewable sources. And we are also counting more on the use of green steam from renewable sources of energy. If nonetheless, there are still unavoidable residual emissions after all of this potential has been fully exhausted. The final means would be to consider high value compensation measures. But we are planning to base this on the highest international accepted certification standards. So we are also following the activities of the European Commission with regard to working out a certification system for carbon removals in order to achieve the best possible climate protection effect of a compensation measure. At the present time, we assume that the residual emissions in 2035 will amount to about 200 to 300 kilotons of CO2 equivalent per annum. If compensation measures are used, these will most likely be in accordance with the greenhouse gas protocol. In fiscal 2022 we did not make use of any compensation measures. Mr. [indiscernible], you asked about the challenges when it comes to recycling materials for rotor blades, for wind turbines. I'd also like to say that we focus on circular economy, an important part of that is recycling our materials. So we are working on a comprehensive portfolio of research and development projects with recycling of various materials. This includes polyurethane resins, which are used to manufacture rotary blades. We have identified a number of promising approaches, which would also allow the recycling of composite materials. These include paralytic and chemolytical methods, which in both cases, would allow us to recycle fiber glass as well as the chemical components. Mr. [indiscernible], you asked why despite high losses last year, we hired more employees. You also asked us why we are expanding our headcount while the group is making a loss. In the first half of fiscal 2022, we had already made these hirings. We also were filling vacancies as part of demographic change, and as a result of certain requirements, but the number of employees compared to 2021 has gone up of 17,909 to 17,985 worldwide, that is a figure for 2022. The slight increase in headcount is due, among other things, to the fact that some of the personnel measures were not fully in effect in 2022, which shows you the full-time employee figures as well as demographic change as well as the required overlap for the transfer of knowledge. Also, the number of hirees in 2022 is clearly below the figure of the previous year. In addition, by introducing a restricted hiring approach, this has been in place since about the middle of 2022, we've already reacted to the change in the economic development. And here vacancies are only filled if they are considered critical to business. We're talking here about physicians, which are necessary for economic success. This is approved by the Member of the Board of Management responsible for the particular area. And now I'd like to hand over to Thomas.
Thomas Toepfer
executiveMr. [indiscernible], you talked about the difference in the pension entitlements and why this amount has fallen and how Covestro wants to deal with this in the future. In accordance with the requirements under the commercial law, we also consider this with regard to the fair value. And we talk about the closing date, we see the differences in values depending on the development of the interest rate as well as the amount of assets. With regard to the values we have in the commercial codes statements, which applies for Covestro AG, which was the value reduction in the asset as of the 31st of December, is the one that has the largest effect. But we're talking here about an assessment effect, there is no reason to make any changes in the covering amount. And that's why there is no immediate burden which would not be considered appropriately with regard to those entitled to their payments. You also asked about how many works councils there are in Germany. We understand you [indiscernible] how many members of the works council there are in Covestro. In Germany, we have a total of 83 works council members. You also asked about how many works council members do not have to perform their normal job because they are works council members. In Covestro, there are 31 such members. And then you asked about the 3 highest salaries amongst the works council members. And we understand you to be saying, what are the highest amounts paid to those works council members, who are free from their regular job to be Works Council members. In 2022, the highest total gross salary was EUR 198,900.57, followed by a total gross salary of EUR 168,955 and the third highest total gross pay was EUR 165,842. You then also asked about the amount spent on gifts in the year under review as well as the amounts for the 5 largest gifts. Gifts to external individuals without advertising amount was approximately EUR 25,000 overall. So 5 largest presents amounted to EUR 1,073. You also asked why despite making a loss, we are still paying into the performance-related entitlements. In Germany, we see that this is where the pension entitlements are based on agreements with the Works Council and a reduction in the entitlements is very difficult due to labor law. And in difficult years, there are further payments. We also see commitments by the company are always seen as performance-oriented commitments. The pension itself is determined by a defined contribution, which is calculated into a building block for your pension. The new hirees since the first of January 2021, there is no guaranteed pension simply a capital payment. [ Mr. Gable ], you also why impairments of EUR 245 million were taken for losses carryforward and how we determine this amount. You are refer -- I would like to refer you to our annual report where we mentioned an amount of EUR 1.202 billion. The annual report gives you an amount of EUR 1.202 billion. These are loss and interest carried forward for a period of more than 5 years. And then based on tax requirements, we're talking about taxable income, but not a tax amount. The amount of EUR 245 million of deferred taxes in Germany would then have to be impaired in accordance with the International Financial Accounting Standard, IFRS, because we're talking here about an amount of EUR 1.202 billion for the losses carried forward within an appropriate period of time of 5 years. [ Mr. Gable ], you asked about a decline in insurance payments in 2022 and why these went down from EUR 43 million to EUR 28 million. Not all of the insurance payments are recorded in other expenses. Some of the insurance payments are also included in various functional costs. These also include -- and we see EUR 52 billion for insurance payments compared to EUR 51 million the year before. So they are basically at the same level as in 2021. [ Mr. Gable ], you also asked about insurance premiums that we received in 2022 and other operating income is where we -- where we record insurance premiums, and this is also used to cover Covestro's own risks. And we're not talking about reimbursements for claims. These premiums increased by 20% to EUR 36 million as a result of developments on the market. And with that, I'd like to hand over to Sucheta Govil.
Sucheta Govil
executiveThank you, Thomas. [ Gable ], you asked about our activities and our business with Russia. Relatively shortly after the outbreak of war in Ukraine, we at Covestro decided not to supply any more products to Russia. And with the fifth EU sanctions package at the latest, many chemicals were also covered actually by this export ban. Consequently, Covestro also discontinued its business activities with Russia in the fiscal year 2022. In previous years, actually, this has accounted for less than 1% of group sales. And the Covestro company, which was actually a sales support office in Russia was also liquidated in the process. Thank you. And with that, I hand over to questions here.
Unknown Executive
executive[ Mr. Gable ], you asked about the conditions for the pension entitlements amounting to EUR 126,750 for Dr. Schäfer. With regard you also asked about the terms and also the age requirements and whether other income would be considered. We're talking here about an entitlement from the [ Bayer ] system, which was vested by him. And as of the time he leaves the company as of the 1st of July 2023 these can be paid out at the request of Dr. Schäfer. At that point in time, he will have completed his 60th year and that there is no there were no conditions attached. With regard to the compensation for the members of the Board of Management, I'd like to mention that we review the appropriateness of their compensation by annual benchmarks with a group of peer companies. These benchmarks show on a regular basis that a compensation package including the pensions for our members are appropriate. And so the majority of the DAX and MDAX companies, the members of the Board of management received payments for their pension in various different forms. You asked about the changes on the Board of Management at Investors, you really can't talk about an exodus. Dr. Schäfer extended his contract by 6 months to have a smooth transition for his successor, and then he will be retiring, which she deserves. Dr. Toepfer will be leaving for personal reasons. He is switching over to Airbus. [ Mr. Gable ] you also asked about 2022, you talked about payments from the Prisma tranche and you asked for a comment on the amounts for or information and amounts for the pension entitlements. Here we're talking about Prisma, which is a long-term compensation based on 4 years. And the last Prisma tranche that was just paid out is based on the years 2019 through 2022. So that would be not enough just to deal with fiscal 2022. And the payments made for these pension entitlements are the result of contractual obligations vis-a-vis our Board of Management members and for all of our employees, it does not depend on the specific business situation. [ Mr. Gabel ], you refer to our compensation very complicated and nontransparent. You asked about the number of workers and employees, who work on that. You also asked if employees and Board of Management couldn't be paid by a simple system. In our HR department, we have 2 employees, who work on the system used for the Board of Management Compensation. You say that it's too intransparent too complex. We can't understand that especially since other investors, who spoke before you gave us positive feedback. The system used for employees and the Board of Management, the various components, fixed salary, short and long-term variable compensation, fringe benefits as well as pension is when something that is perfectly normal on the market. Variable compensation, which is linked to a significant share of the compensation based on the corporate performance is something, which is also required by The German Corporate Governance Code for members of the Board of Management. [ Mr. Gabel ], you asked about severance paid bonus, continuous payment, et cetera, after Dr. Toepfer with regard to contract until the 31st of August 2023, he will be receiving his fixed compensation pro-rata and the mobility allowance, which we paid both we paid monthly as well as monthly expenditures for Covestro AG and for his pension. He also participates in the compensation program in fiscal '23. And in April of next year, he may receive a payout as soon and this applies to the other members of the Board of Management as well as soon as the requirement -- if the requirements are met. The claim for pay out from the long-term compensation program, Prisma, will not apply to all of the transfers for the year beginning for the judge, beginning with 2020 and for later years. And in according with the plan. That is why this will not be the case. Thank you very much to our colleagues as well as for your answers. And that brings us to the next round of questions. And I'd like to look at the screen. The next speakers will be in the following quarter. [ Mr. Matthias ] XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX and Mr. Ulrich XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, our technical team would like those individuals to please go to the investor portal and go for your technical test. So I'm going to interrupt now hopefully only for about 5 minutes, and then we will continue with the questions. Thank you. We're going to take a break now. See you in just a minute. [Break]
Richard Pott
executiveLadies and gentlemen, we continue our AGM now. And our next speaker is [ Mr. Matthias Gabler ]. [ Mr. Gabler ], please.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeThank you very much, Mr. Pott. Now I have already gotten changed so that you can see in my general mood. No, I didn't have -- I've never bought a concert ticket to listen to the same music for 75 minutes. This is awful, and it's a terrorism -- audio terrorism, but that brings me to the question what is the title of the first piece of music? Please use different music when you next have a break, and there will be another break when we go into the votes. Question to the notary public now. He has been taking the minutes. It's 4:00 p.m. I'm the sixth speaker. This is very unusual and also the break that was over an hour. I believe that the shareholders should be compensated for that. You have stolen life from us. I'm sure that you wouldn't notice a little bit of money if you pay some compensation. So perhaps EUR 12 the minimum wage and multiply that by the number of shareholders taking part and then perhaps make a donation to a local school, I think that would be an adequate compensation. Now I think your sharing of these proceedings of this AGM is not terribly impressive. Now I requested the AGM be postponed. We have resumed at 4:00 p.m., for example, and then we could have just had a break between 1 and 4 p.m., and then we wouldn't have been subjected to this awful music now, of course, you haven't heard from all of our -- all of the shareholders, but in charge of these at this meeting. Why didn't you just get a microphone? Why don't you just completely restart the system grab a microphone and then you could have sorted out everything. This really isn't a very good example of how to carry out a virtual AGM. In that I can't see why it took you an hour as the Chair of the Supervisory Board to prepare your answers to questions the first half hour. Now last year, the biased of AGM and the Chair of the Supervisory Board that needed 8 minutes to prepare, so those are my preliminary remarks, and I would now like to come to my actual questions and statements uplift, go over the tension because there's been enough time wasted today, but I will try not to -- As I've already said, I think the -- this AGM could have been dealt with a little better now. The share price is rather poor since 2018, we've seen 50% loss. So please tell me, give me 3 reasons why we should remain as shareholders? Why we should buy more shares perhaps? What are the 3 greatest risks that have -- that could have a negative effect on the share price? And I would like to know what all of these empty sales are all about? If we look at the Federal Gazette, first of all, we see 15 items. Are you even aware of what's going on? We've got all of these sales. I mean this is detrimental to your image. How are you trying to count on this? Are you not doing anything, you just say, no, well, that's just the way it is, and we'll just have to put up with it? I really think you should make a statement on this. Now of course, for me, as a shareholder, dividends is the most important item. Now of course, the Board of Management are getting considerably less money, but still we're getting some money and we're not getting any dividends. Why is there no synchronization between the Board and the shareholders? I think there ought to be some sort of uniformity here. I would like to know what the mobility allowances were that were paid to the Board in previous years and also the preventive medical checkups that have now been gotten rid of? So I don't think the Board of management compensation payments are that low that we couldn't have done on the year. Now also regarding the authorization for the decision regarding a virtual AGM. Now it says somewhere in the document of people, who are abroad or somewhere else far away. Now how are we to understand this distance? Are we talking about 10 kilometers, 100, 1000 or more? Now you're in Leverkusen, but you could, of course, play upon the rivalry between Cologne and Dusseldorf where the distances there seemed to be a lot greater than they actually are. Now turning to the question of sustainability. Now you want to be -- you want to be carbon neutral by 2035, I believe. I remember that. So I would like to know when you wish to achieve that in Germany and when you want to achieve that globally? And where are you at the moment? What is your current position? I'd like some figures on this to have some more specific ideas. Now I would like to hear about property and the real estate assets. I am interested here predominantly in Germany, I think global level, it's probably too difficult to tell me. Now regarding the politics and the various threats are coming from Berlin. Talking about energetic refurbishment, how -- what are you expecting you will have as expenses there? Now let's stick with real estate. And I would like to know if you've already provided all of your property tax returns? And what your land price value would be here? And do you already have some tax return declarations there? And what will you do with them? Would you intend to appeal them? Will you go public with this? How would you intend to deal with these issues? Now the question of telework, working from home. What has been the development there from before the pandemic and now? And what would be the maximum amount of working from home that you would allow? Do you think that you'll be able to improve the amount of staff that you'll be able to attract, if you change your working hours? Now regarding the compensation report of the Board of Management, I don't think that this report is a transparent at all. So I do very much doubt whether you could actually calculate this. So my specific question here. Have any of the members of the Board of Management ever checked with the payments that they receive? And if they have done so what are they actually receiving per month? So I'd like to know that. And how many employees are actually involved in these processes? So perhaps you can also refer to this. I would also be interested in the quantitative distribution in the step of EUR 30,000, up to EUR 120,000 and then upto EUR 250,000 and then EUR 250,000 to EUR 500,000 and then over EUR 500,000 as salaries. So I'd like to know how many employees are in which respective bracket? Then I can skip over my next question because that's already been addressed. I would like to know about the energy price increases, electricity and gas and what -- and oil and what you expect the developments to be here. And I would like to have a distinction according to energy resource. And then are there any potential savings that you can make here? Any electricity saving programs? I think any person with any common sense has already started to try and reduce the amount of energy use about 15 or 20 years ago. The core question behind all of this is any of the sites in Germany at risk of being closed in the short, medium or long term because you may have to turn to foreign set? And now regarding the ability to pass on cost increases to customers. Now in your risk management system, you had a system. You had an approach, but this appears to have actually not been an improvement at all. What we are main investments over the last year? And how do you intend to continue this year given the increases? Now in IT. Which measures have you taken regarding IT security? And what cost that entail? And data security and data privacy, particularly with an increase in the amount of people working from home and perhaps working from a broad how can you guarantee IT security there? And then, of course, the obligatory question from me regarding China. Do the company use Huawei mobile phones? And how do you deal with the loan problems in this regard? Now let's come back to the AGM. Who is in the back office? How many people are external? How many lawyers do you have there? If you have a virtual AGM and you say that this is making a contribution to climate protection how many people had to fly and travel how far? And what were the reductions here? But first of all, I think we should be talking about how much CO2 -- how many CO2 emissions can be saved by not having shareholders arriving -- traveling? I think it's more a question of the Board of Management. Now you talked about EUR 800,000, but in person is it was double the cost. But I would say that the virtualized AGM is far too expensive. Now we're talking about EUR 7,000 per person. If we had over 500 people, and we're talking about just about 300, the EUR 3,000 per head. So if we look at that from that perspective, the virtual AGM is simply ludicrous from that perspective. And coming back to plans, what do you intend for the next year? And now you've said a couple of times that you'll make a decision? At the end of the beginning of the year, but I would like to object to this very simple question. Have you already booked the venue for 2024 or reserved anywhere? It's an open secret that companies of your size, of course, have to reserve the venue a year in advantage. If you've not already done that, then we know 80% or 90% that next year, you will have a virtual AGM. That brings me to the environmentally damaging financial statement, not because of the paper, but you're not thinking about shareholders. I have to download these documents from the Internet. And of course, people at home normally have an inkjet printer, but what do you do with your financial statement? You have white funds on a black background, what a waste of income and you're talking about environmentally friendly operations. But that really is a waste. It should just be black and white, nothing more, nothing less. That brings you to my next question. Do you voluntarily send out any printed document even though that is no longer legally required? Now the title of your financial statements. But you have to take a speeding up to circularity. What does that even mean? And also the CFO report was mentioned of commodity and ROCE over -- what does that mean? Please just put a bit of effort in and think about the people that you're actually addressing here about your target group. I particularly don't like the use of the German [Foreign Language]. And please do away with all this gendering. Just tell me why you need to do this? There's an extreme difference between the German Foreign Language. We don't always have [Foreign Language], which in English would be working people, because some of them are sick or on holiday. So they are no longer actually working at a time. Just use normal work. Now mention was also made of additives that I just wondered, can you just say use the German term and the German terms of the business units? And if you're colleague can't -- doesn't understand German then thus this maybe -- but then we have simultaneous interpretation from English into German. So I couldn't understand anything. The first minute of the response was completely unintelligible. So I'd like to ask for the first minutes of that to be repeated, because I simply couldn't understand. I would also like to know how long Mr. Toepfer contract would have actually lasted and congratulations. But I would like to know as a shareholder, well, I would like to appeal to you to forgo any further payments, because you are moving to the company. Mr. Pott, how many people were in the running for the new position? How many candidates have you already spoken to about the successor of Mr. Toepfer and when can we expect a decision to be made? Now I would also like to ask how many -- what the peak number of participants was at the virtual AGM? What was biggest success in the reporting year for the Board of Management? And what were the 3 biggest problems aside from the technical problems that we've experienced today. I must say that there are other things that I'm struggling with your investor portal unfortunately, is subject to an error. So there's lots of things you can click on. But there's one item that's missing and that the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX of AGM, they had it -- it's at a request a gift. So they had the virtual AGM. And they managed to marry up that with the usual in-person AGM. I think you should do that in your portal if you have to save your data, if you want to speak -- it would be interesting to see what you're going to do with all of this information. And regarding the participants list, why didn't put that at the beginning. It's at Page 64 of 69. And it would also be very much appreciated if you could update that. You were showing the number from 2 minutes plus 10 for 3 hours, a bias of the cap updating it. So that's pretty poor performance, and why do you stipulate the proxy holders professions? Do you have some sort of complex? The only thing that has to be fulfilled for somebody to hold a proxy is their age. They have to fulfill the minimum age requirements. So I would like to ask you to update to the participants list and the Stock Corporation Act doesn't require the participants professions to be stipulated. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't want to bother you any further. I've asked enough questions. Of course, the requests and so on and so forth. I think there's no real need to go into any further detail about that. I hope that you will be self-critical after this. Now I have bombarded you with a number of fairly blunt remarks. So my last question would be how many questions when you're aware of in advance of the AGM, that's actually standard procedure. This idle time that you had could have been used to answer other questions. And my question there would be, why did you not avail yourselves of the opportunity to use that time? Ladies and gentlemen, I've asked enough questions. I won't bother you any further. Thank you to all employees, who give their all for the company every day. I would, of course, be very happy to see if the share price increase. And if we could then also see the payment of dividend on the agenda next year. Yes. Thank you very much for your attention.
Richard Pott
executiveThank you, [ Mr. Gabler ] for your remarks. Next speaker is [ Mr. Felix Yan ]
Unknown Attendee
attendee[Interpreted] Hello. I hope everybody can hear me. Now I will try to be concise so that we can all virtually go home at least. Now Dr. Pott, ladies and gentlemen, members of the Supervisory Board, members of the Board of Management and 113 co-shareholders, and I would like to have answers to the following questions. First of all, which credit risks and speculative features does Moody's see with the BAA Level 5 for Covestro? A further question, which proposals have come from Silchester International Investors are deemed worthwhile by the Board to increase the investment value of Covestro? Now I assume that your negotiations have already taken place with Silchester. Question 3 refers to what [ Mr. Matic ] also inquired about. You are clearly not intending to buy back any of your own shares in 2023. Now if you were to compare that with your competitors, Huntsman International, they have said in much more specific terms that they plan to spend EUR 400 million if they don't find any acquisition targets, and you were rather wishy-washy. You said if your cash flow is okay, then you might think about it. Can you generally tell us a little bit more about your capital allocation, M&A and level of debt? That would be very worthwhile as far as I'm concerned. Now a fourth question. In 2022, Dr. Klaus Schäfer, Dr. Bortenlänger, Ms. Kingo, Dr. Schneider, Ms. Stachelhaus and Mr. Thomas didn't acquire any Covestro shares. Was that a sign of their lack of trust? Or do they simply not think that Covestro is an attractive investment? Fifth question, your competitor, Huntsman, has emphasized that they no longer see a shock absorber between -- that they no longer wish to be a shock absorber. How -- to what extent do you think Covestro will be a shock absorber? I didn't completely understand what they were meaning by that, but I'd be interested to hear your opinion. Why do you mention in your report on Page 152, the mention of capital costs? And then you referred to Page 246, I believe. It seems that you keep applying different yardsticks that you're trying to pull the wall over a little. And how do you assess the WACC? This is for 2024 and 2023, and the -- how would this compare with the calculation values applied for 2022? And now just something that I would like to add to the question from [ Mr. Gieber ], the assets for share prices, why we had such a reduction here? Did you invest in such speculative shares? Because you really shouldn't be doing that, I don't believe. And now my penultimate question. This goes to Dr. Toepfer, what particular challenges do you think your successor will face if they come from a different sector to Covestro? And then perhaps linked to this, if somebody was to choose to switch from Bayern to Paris Saint-Germain, how would they cope in this Champions League, so to speak? Is this not a bit of a problem regarding motivation? And then my last question, how many minutes did the -- how many minutes of technical difficulties did we have today?
Richard Pott
executive[Interpreted] Thank you, [ Mr. Jan ]. I would now like to ask the next speaker, [ Mr. Ulrich Gieber ] to take the floor, [ Mr. Gieber ], the floor is yours. Yes.
Unknown Attendee
attendee[Interpreted] Yes. Chair, I have one further question regarding the gifts. I was a little bit surprised that these gifts of around EUR 200 were being allocated. But I wasn't talking about the overall costs but the price of every individual gift. The other question refers to your response to the mobility allowance. Now this term, mobility allowance, I would like to ask your simultaneous interpreters to -- at least right now if you use English terms, please interpret them. And what is a mobility allowance? To what sum was this mobility allowance paid? And what kinds of mobility are used? And why would they allocate it? Those are the questions that I would have.
Richard Pott
executive[Interpreted] Thank you very much, [ Mr. Gieber ] for your further questions there. And that brings us to our next speaker, Mr. [ Rolf Zeste ].
Unknown Attendee
attendee[Interpreted] Yes. Hello to all participants. I have a question born purely of curiosity. For around 700 people -- so we had around 700 people at the last AGM in person. And then the pandemic came along, and then we all had to look at the idea of working from home. So my question is, what have been your experiences that you've gained from the headquarters rather than was provided for 700 people? Unfortunately, [ Mr. Zeste's ] connection is rather poor. Now you have so much space -- so much office space. How can you use it perhaps for other purposes? And are there any other influences on other construction projects, born of the new ways of working? And that was the only question I have.
Richard Pott
executive[Interpreted] Thank you, [ Mr. Zeste ], for your question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now need a little time to prepare our responses to some rather specific and rather comprehensive questions that have been tabled here. And I would therefore like to interrupt the proceedings for approximately 20 minutes, and then, of course, we will resume the AGM and respond to those questions accordingly. Thank you very much. [Break]
Richard Pott
executive[Interpreted] Steilemann will read off those answers again. Please go ahead, sir.
Markus Steilemann
executive[Interpreted] Thank you, Mr. Pott. I shall, therefore, begin with the questions that have just been alluded to. [ Mr. Beckendoff ]. You asked about the share of alternative raw materials in production and its share in circular solutions in the total portfolio. Sales of products on the basis of alternative raw materials still amounts to about 1%. But since 2021, it has already risen. Analogously to sales, the share of alternative raw materials and procurement also is around 1%. The development of our sustainable product portfolio focusing on circularity is something that we announced last year, and we want to make our product climate-neutral. As a step in this direction, we are banking on what we refer to as Circular Intelligence or CQ solutions based on alternative raw materials. They consist of at least 25% alternative raw materials for us, raw materials that are alternatives are, in particular, raw materials that are based on biomass, carbon dioxide or waste or that are produced on a nonfossil basis using renewable energy. An example of such a neutral product is our climate-neutral MDI. Under our new CQ label, we have sold almost 1,000 metric tons. The further expansion of our sustainable product portfolio is supported by our innovative product portfolio based on our sustainable targets. 80% of project costs are supposed to be allocated in research and development to areas that contribute to achieving the climate targets. We want to make our contribution to the United Nations Sustainability Development Goals. Our goals in respect of a circular economy and carbon neutrality are being pursued with this in mind. Since 2016, we have been increasing the sustainability of our product portfolio to this end. And in this way, we are also developing our product portfolio to improve the sustainability of our products, so we can assess them better in terms of circular economy and sustainability and realigning our product portfolio to this end. [ Mr. Gieber ], you asked about our activities and business operations with Russia shortly after the start of the war in Ukraine. As Covestro, we decided to stop delivering products to Russia. With the fifth EU package of sanctions, a lot of chemicals were subject to the ban. In 2021, Covestro discontinued business operations with Russia, which, as in the preceding year, accounted for less than 1% of group sales. On top of that, Covestro company, which is a sales support company in Russia, was liquidated. [ Mr. Gieber ], you asked until when we, in Germany and worldwide, we want to be carbon neutral. On top of that, you wanted to know where we stood today. Covestro's aim is, by 2035, to have net-zero greenhouse gas emissions in its own production, and that should also apply to energy procured externally. By 2035, we want to reduce this by 60% compared to 2020. We're talking here about global targets which apply to all environmentally relevant sites. The goals, therefore, relates to the German sites as well as to all of the other sites. Absolute greenhouse gas emissions from in-house production and externally sourced energy Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions compared to 2020 were reduced from -- by 11.8% to 4.9 million metric tons CO2 equivalent. Compared to the preceding year, absolute Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions dropped by 9.2%. Having said that, I'd now like to hand the floor to Thomas Toepfer.
Thomas Toepfer
executive[Interpreted] Thank you very much. [ Mr. Gieber ], you also asked about the reasons why shareholders are holding Covestro shares or should buy additional ones. Well, we're convinced that Covestro, over the long term, creates value for our shareholders and that it's in line with our internal goals such as internal capital employed over the weighted average cost of capital. The current earnings, which as you, we believe, are not satisfactory, were essentially due to the challenging environmental -- economic environment. And therefore, if the economy improves, earnings potential should be much greater, which then, of course, should have an effect on our share price. Furthermore, share -- Covestro benefits from the megatrends that we explained before, which enable strong sustainable growth. You further ask about the 3 biggest risks to which our share price could be exposed. The biggest risk we have identified is the recessionary demand, which is weighing on our earnings. Furthermore, we have identified the high energy costs as a risk which affects the economy and also demand for our products potentially. And last but not least, we believe that excessive regulation could curtail our business. You also asked, [ Mr. Gieber ], about the short sales of our shares, which have been significant, and how we're dealing with this. According to the most recent statistics, approximately 5% of Covestro shares have been shorted, and compared to an average shorting of 3% to 4% in the DAX, it's just slightly higher than the relevant market comparison. The reason for this is because, in the medium term, there have been a lot of long, short-term hedge funds where a long position is hedged by a short position. That means that a lot of the short positions that you have mentioned have resulted from this hedging strategy. We believe that this is a normal process on the capital market and is not anything specific to Covestro and, therefore, is not evidence of mistrust of our shareholders in our company. [ Mr. Gieber ], you also asked whether all land tax declarations have been filed on time and what the 3 highest and lowest land prices or land reference prices and whether we have received tax notifications and whether we intend to file suits against them. Well, all land tax declarations have been filed with the corresponding financial authorities. And so far, only a very small number of tax notifications has been received by Covestro. Whether we take legal recourse against these tax notifications is something we're going to assess on a case-by-case basis. With respect to the reference values for land, we can give you the following response. The 3 highest figures are EUR 370, EUR 330 and EUR 310, all of which are for land in Uerdingen. And the 3 lowest figures are EUR 0.60 and EUR 0.80 for 2 forestry spaces in Uerdingen and EUR 1.50 for an agricultural area in Brunsbüttel. [ Mr. Gieber ], you also asked about the total risk and how it's being managed within the scope of our risk management system, how it's developed and whether it's deteriorated. Measured in terms of absolute effects from the pandemic, to date, total risks have risen by a good 40%, and the pandemic, therefore, certainly has been a significant driver. In particular, however, risks have arisen through geopolitical events such as the war waged by Russia on Ukraine, the global inflation trend, the rise in commodity prices, interrupted supply chains, and the global increase in recessionary tendencies have been identified within the scope of risk management and have, therefore, been considered. Having said that, it's not just the pandemic but definitely a larger number of facts that play a role here. Therefore, taking account of the probability of occurrence of the risks, if we compare the total risk exposure with our risk capacity, we see a significant overhang of risk capacity. And therefore, we do not identify anything that would jeopardize the subsistence of our company. [ Mr. Gieber ], you also asked the -- about the personnel expense quota that we intend or that we expect in 2023 in terms of wage and salary increases. In 2023, we anticipate a 13% share in terms of our expected revenue. [ Mr. Gieber ], you also asked about the use of cell phones, in particular, Huawei cellphones in Covestro. At Covestro, we do not use any technology by Huawei, be it cell phones or anything else IT specific. [ Mr. Gieber ], then you also asked about how working from home has developed at Covestro from the time before the pandemic until now. Well, during the pandemic, employees who had the possibility of working from home almost actually worked completely from home during that time. Employees in production and employees in activities that couldn't be performed from home had to work on site and did so. In the meantime, however, we have spoken with the employee representatives, and we have concluded an agreement that took effect in 2021. The provisions envisage that employees who work from home or can work from home, rather, on a weekly basis or a monthly basis have to work at least 20% on site so that social contacts are secured. The basis for this, however, is always an individual agreement and coordination with the superiors or the individual. And in doing so, we enable our employees to have a high degree of flexibility without having to lose the social contacts that we nurture amongst ourselves. Then [ Mr. Gieber ], you asked whether we have identified significant changes in terms of recruiting and its effects on the work-life balance. Well, generally speaking, we have realized that the younger generation views the work-life balance at a high value. Covestro has various offerings in this, including expansive options for mobile working, flexible work hours, workload reductions for older employees, sabbaticals, flexi days, these are unpaid leaves -- days of leave. And on top of that, Covestro, as company, provides support for various family situations such as help in taking care of children and old persons. You asked about our personnel policy in terms of a potential 4-day week. Well, the 4-day week isn't anything anyone's asking about at Covestro. At least, they haven't so far, but we continue to monitor the market in this respect very closely, and the models that exist already offer the necessary flexibility should this ever become an issue in our company. And [ Mr. Gieber ], you asked how many employees have been considered in the average salary bigger for the employees. And you've asked about how they are distributed quantitatively amongst the various salary groups. It's 18,493 employees who were considered as of the cutoff date of the 31st of December 2020. We calculated the distribution on the basis of their salaries. Salaries of part-time employees were then extrapolated to the salary of a permanent employee. Therefore, we extrapolated that to 100% employment. We paid these employees the following in terms of salary groups: 2,950 from EUR 0 to EUR 30,000; 5,208 between EUR 30,000 and EUR 60,000; 4,968 from EUR 60,000 to EUR 90,000; 2,928 between EUR 90,000 and EUR 120,000; 2,333 between EUR 120,000 and EUR 250,000; 48 between EUR 250,000 and EUR 500,000; and 4, EUR 500,000 and above. [ Mr. Gieber ], you wanted to know whether Covestro, at request, would -- or actually has voluntarily mailed, printed annual reports. Although this is not required by law, we did not produce any annual reports in print. The annual reports are available online and can be downloaded as a PDF. This is why we didn't mail out any printed annual reports, and the predominant proportion of demand from our shareholders confirms that our approach is suitable. [ Mr. Gieber ], then you also asked about our real estate holdings in Germany based on square meters. The total space based on our last calculation amounted 9,350,000 square meters. You also asked about the carrying amount and the market value of our real estate holdings in Germany. The carrying amount as of the cutoff date on the 31st of December 2022 was approximately EUR 443 million, and the market values are determined on a regular basis only for real estate holdings, which are covered by the mandatory disclosure. As of the 31st of December 2022, this amounted to EUR 134 million. [ Mr. Jan ], you asked about the challenges for my successor as CFO, and you also asked about my motivation for the remaining term of my activity here at Covestro. Well, here, what I can tell you, first of all, is that I can guarantee that, until I leave Covestro, I will, of course, fulfill all of my tasks connected with my job with due diligence, with full motivation as before because rest assured that, even emotionally, you have a strong bond to this company. With respect to the challenges for my successor, well, what I have to say is that these are, of course, the things that are great challenges for Covestro as well. In other words, ensuring that we navigate through the crisis robustly with good finances so that we can maintain our solid balance sheet, which we have already highlighted in the speeches today. I think for the finance function, this is especially important. Having said that, I would like to hand the floor to Sucheta.
Sucheta Govil
executiveThank you, Thomas. [ Herr Gieber ], you were also asking in how far we could pass through cost increases via our sales prices. In the fiscal year 2022, increased raw material costs led to a negative EBITDA impact of about EUR 2.9 billion compared with the previous year. Increased sales prices led to EBITDA increase of EUR 1.6 billion versus the previous year. The raw material cost includes their energy cost. So with that, I can say we could pass through approximately 55% of raw material price increases via increased sale prices. I hand over to Klaus Schäfer.
Klaus Schäfer
executiveThank you, Sucheta. [Interpreted] [ Mr. Gieber ], you asked about our energy cost budget for this year, 2023, and what energy cost increases have been considered in this figure. As we mentioned earlier, our business budget is generally based on market price expectations and forward contracts that are traded on the energy markets and exchanges that are relevant to us. This applies to short term as well as medium-term time horizons and planning periods. In other words, periods of up to 3 years for Germany, for example, will be the index of the EEX energy exchange that we use for electricity and gas. For 2023, we have a risk management system for energy costs, which is based on physical and financial market tools. Furthermore, we use technical tools. For example, we switched from gas to oil as a fuel, which puts us in a position to optimize our energy costs and to keep them within a smaller bandwidth than we did last year. [ Mr. Gieber ], then you asked about whether our energy costs are on schedule, within budget and what sensible savings potentials existed. Well, in Europe at the beginning of 2023, we had some relief in terms of energy costs in Europe compared to the budget that we had for the preceding year. Since we have created flexibility in fuel procurement, we will take this -- we'll take advantage of this to achieve savings should the opportunity arise. In terms of the energy efficiency measures, I must tell you that for years, we have had an ongoing program, which we are continuing, and we deliver it to deliver savings as well.
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] Okay. Let me continue. The question was with regard to the music that we played during the breaks. And this is something that was 3 different pieces. You were talking about the following. The first is called "Care to Remember," composed by Colors of Illusion. The second one is "Looking for a New Start," composed by Linda Stenmark, Anders Lystell and Michael Stenmark and interpreted by Loving Caliber. The third one is called "When We Try," composed and interpreted by Airae. Unfortunately, in the short term, it's not possible to select different music for the rest of today's AGM. I hope that you can understand. You also asked about the notary public. And if he has taken very clear minutes with regard to short selling. I can confirm that. Another question, [ Mr. Gieber ], was why you did not go into the details of our -- of your request at the beginning of the Articles of Incorporation to break until 4:00 p.m. Let me say 2 things to clarify things for the other shareholders. [ Mr. Gieber ] did not submit a formal motion. This would have only been possible when you had asked for the floor. [ Mr. Gieber ] informed us electronically and gave us such a suggestion, but the following should be said. The long break this morning, which we truly regret, is due to unexpected technical difficulties. These -- clearing these up took longer than we originally expected. Taking a break for several hours, let's say, until 4:00 p.m. was never something that was considered. The next question, [ Mr. Gieber ], was with regard to variable compensation and synchronization between the Board of management and shareholders. As you can see from the compensation report, the 2022 payments are only made from the long-term compensation program called Prisma. These were vested compensation that is due to the Board of Management managers. The assessment basis for this is the full year performance period from 2019 to 2022. For fiscal 2022, neither the Board of Management members nor the workforce itself have received a short-term variable compensation. The synchronization you're requesting so that the shareholders would not be given the dividend is something that is given. [ Mr. Gieber ], you asked about mileage and CO2 emissions for the company cars used by our Boards of Management. We are committed to climate protection. We do not have any business cars, including the Board of Management. We also asked about the mileage and CO2 emissions based on flights by the Boards of Management -- Board of Management members. Due to the effects of the pandemic and increasing digitalization, flights by our Board of Management members have been reduced significantly. I cannot give you a precise calculation of the kilometers or CO2 emissions. It's something that we'd not plan or the CO2 emissions caused by flights. You also asked how many questions were received prior to the AGM. We received a total of 33 questions ahead of time before the AGM. You also asked at what time most of the participants were present at what time. The peak was at 2 minutes past noon. Here, we had 132 shareholders who were logged into the investor portal for today's virtual AGM. Mr. Gable, you also asked if the members of the Board have reviewed their vested compensation and to see what monthly amounts would be transferred to them. The compensation is determined by the human resources department, and this is reviewed using the [ severalized ] principle. Calculation of compensation is mentioned clearly and transparently in the compensation report. Detailed review of the compensation is carried out by our external auditors. Now whether the Board of Management members check their compensation themselves is up to them. So I certainly cannot give you any information on that. Mr. Gabler, you asked how long Dr. Toepfer's contract ran. It was until the 31st of March 2026. And at his request, it is being terminated ahead of time on the 31st of August 2023. Other questions went to the term other remote areas on agenda Item #8. We're talking about 10, 100 or 1,000 kilometers. Well, as you can take from our wording, the members of the Board of Management and the Supervisory Board should participate in person at the AGM. Our Articles of Association allow the members of the Supervisory Board in certain cases to participate via audio and visual transmission if it is not possible for them to appear in person either because they're abroad or because they're at some remote area. And it is not a question of a specific number of miles, it is also due to the fact that they cannot participate for other reasons. And this is going to be adding another case where the Supervisory Board members can participate via audio and video transmission should the AGM be virtual. Mr. Gabler, you also asked about the number of employees and external individuals in the back office. And you also want to tell how many of these external individuals are lawyers. Our back office has 53 employees today. The number of external individuals amounts to 10, 2 of them are external lawyers. Your question as to whether we have already rented or reserved rooms for the next year's meeting. As I said before, we want to maintain the possibility to keep this question open. But at the same time, for next year, we have reserved premises which we would use for a potential in-person meeting. The decision will be taken using our discretion and with regard to the specific situation. And this will take into account the rights of the -- shareholders sustainability aspects as well as costs. Mr. Gabler, you also asked who or which consultant is involved with the search for the successor to Mr. Toepfer and how much this will cost. You asked how many discussions or interviews you've had with candidates and when can we expect a decision. We have a well-known agency concerned with the search, and their services are being offered at usual conditions. Because we're in an ongoing process, however, we cannot tell you anything about the number of candidates nor when the decision will be taken. Mr. Jan, you asked why Dr. Schafer, [indiscernible], Ms. Kingo and Mr. Schneider, Ms. Stachelhaus, and Patrick Thomas did not buy any Covestro shares this year. Dr. Schafer has fulfilled his requirements in full, and the Supervisory Board members now that there are no regulations in the German Corporate Governance Code are no longer required to purchase or to hold shares. These decisions are at their own discretion. Mr. Jan, you also asked how many minutes these technical difficulties took the break. Due to the technical difficulties, it was a total of 66 minutes. Mr. Gabler asked about presence to shareholders at AGM. Last year, we did not give out any presence intentionally, especially not at our virtual AGM. Our decision is not based on what other companies do. Mr. Gabler, you also asked why the total number of participants was not mentioned at the very beginning. As we keep a list of participants as required by law of today's AGM as well as the shareholders logged in by -- on the investor portal and their representatives, and this is in line with the legal requirements and the information with regard to the total number is found at the end of the list because this is seen as the result of the above information. You also asked why the initial list of participants was shown at 10:02. It did not change. It stayed the same for 3 hours. Why didn't we update it every 5 minutes like other companies do? This is in the investor portal at irregular interviews whenever there is substantial change. You also asked for information as to why, when it comes to the proxies, why we mentioned their profession, and does RA stand for attorney in German. The only thing they need to meet is be legally mature. So this is something that is in line with information on the authorization. RA is correct. It's a common abbreviation. It is not necessary to indicate their profession, but this is something that was taken over from the publicly available forms and they agree with this, and they didn't require us to publish this. The company's representatives also have to be authorized by the shareholders, and they are given instructions. They cannot be a member of either of the Board, and they cannot react to instructions from the company. Mr. Gabler, you also asked about our mobility alliance, the amount and the reason for this allowance as well as the types of mobility. The mobility allowance is a lump sum, and those workers at Covestro, due to their contract, they can finance their individual mobility in a form which they are free to choose on their own. Now whether they buy, purchase or lease cars or they finance public transport tickets, that is up to them. The amount of this lump sum depends on the contract. It's EUR 2,000 per month for Board of Management, other employees at different levels get a lump sum of EUR 1,000 to EUR 1,200.
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] Mr. Gabler, you asked about the 3-- about our greatest success story and the three biggest problems. And the success story is sustainability achievements, the announcement of our climate neutrality goals, our scope 1 and 2 emissions and the energies used in 2022 as well as the consistent implementation of our strategy for a sustainable future despite the difficult economic environment. The major challenges in fiscal '22 was the decline in demand, the strong increase in energy cost and more regulation, which we are going through as a company. Mr. Gabler, you asked us about IT security measures at Covestro in the year-end review and the cost involved. IT security is of central importance for us. And in 2022, we took security measures, and we were able to improve our resilience. For example, the design of our cloud-based hosting environment and migration into the cloud was supported intensively. We also expanded our monitoring abilities, and we also conducted a stress test in order to test our resilience. Covestro has a security monitoring center, which they have active 24 hours a day, 7 days a week by an external service provider. We also have additional measures as well as individual project support. The cost for IT security are in the upper 1-digit -- single-digit million range. You also asked about data security when employees work from home. In order to ensure data security, we use modern technology, such as the multifactor authentication and encryption. We also see that access is only with devices that have been tested. Internet access is secured with the security gateway. E-mails are reviewed at different levels. The work stations have up-to-date antivirus programs and safety solutions. It is not possible for the coworkers to work from abroad. Mr. Gabler, you asked about the type and the cost of presents. The 5 most expensive gifts were primarily payments to the company with regard to cases of death and also for funerals, for example, for the flowers. You -- Mr. [indiscernible], you asked about our experience with the new administration at Covestro and our capacity utilization. You asked if there were plans to make use of these areas. And if experience in the past has had any experience on the planned building measures. In early 2018, we decided to build a new headquarters in Leverkusen. That's why we -- there was a shortage of office space in Leverkusen. We wanted a highly modern workspace for our employees. The new building has 628 workstations based on the directive and we also saw that there were ways of working in order to promote a culture change in our company. The basic aspects here are teamwork, transparency, flexibility and communication. Due to hygiene regulations as part of the pandemic, the building has not been used in full until mid-2022. With the new building and the new ways of work have shown very positive experience. We see that we are almost occupied in full, and the feedback from employees is very good, inspiring and motivating. The colleagues especially appreciate interaction and meeting possibilities which are possible, once again, in the new building. And this building offers us a higher degree of flexibility and fits in very well with our hybrid working world following the corona pandemic. So we do not have any plans to use these office spaces in any other way. Of course, we observe further developments, and we can adapt our plans depending there on. Mr. Gabler, you asked if sites could be at risk in Germany in the short, medium or long term. Covestro reviews the competitiveness of all of our sites worldwide. The way we see things today, they are all competitive in Germany. Investors approach to produce in the regions for the regions pays off. The analysis is based on the medium and long-term energy costs. Our model is this measure with regard to the site in Markt Bibart we do not plan any further plant closings in Germany. I would like to hand over to Mr. Toepfer, and you asked about the proposals made by Silchester International in order to improve corporate value. I can say that Silchester announced on the 15th of March 2023, that 3.05% of Covestro shares would be held. However, they do not have any specific proposals to the Board of Management or the Supervisory Board with regard to improving or increasing the value of Covestro. Mr. Jan, you also asked about the credit risk speculation, our Baa2 Moody's rating includes. I can say that Moody's is an independent rating agency, which draws up its assessment on the basis of publicly available information and discuss systems with Covestro on credibility, on creditworthiness. And we also see that there are some other elements that are included as well. And the result of this is also based on a uniform Moody's scale. The prime standard refers to a company and shares that are worth investing in. This -- at Moody's, applies for a rating between AAA to Baa3. The Moody's rating at Covestro is Baa2, which is in this top category, which means that creditworthiness is expressed here with regard to Moody's assessment. Mr. Jan, you also asked about our weighted average cost of capital for 2022 and with regard to the change compared to 2022. The weighted average cost of capital is made up of equity cost and borrowings, and this is also adjusted according to the target capital. We smooth all of the factors over the appropriate period of time. The WACC for 2023 are based on 0.2% interest rate and a credit amount for 1.2% and also takes into account the long-term tax reduction, the tax shield of 26%. The equity -- return on equity is also something that has a 10.9% premium and a beta factor of 1.9. The calculation is based on a long-term capital structure of 65% equity and 35% borrowings and this means that there is a weighted average cost of capital of 7.6% for 2023. This is compared to 2022, an increase of 0.6%. In the previous year, the import factors were as follows: The risk-free interest rate was 0.1%. The credit increase for our grading category was 1.1%. The long-term tax decrease was 25%. And the mark risk-premium was 8.7%, and the beta was 1.7. The capital structure assumptions were -- remained unchanged and from this -- these assumptions, we come up with 7.0% cost for capital for 2022. Mr. Jan, you also asked why in the annual report for 2022 on Page 130 in Footnote 6 or on Page 152 on Footnote 4, you asked why we use different capital cost amongst, then on Page 256 of the annual report for 2022. I can say the following. On Page 130, we're talking about the so-called target achievement, which was measured in 2022. So in Footnote 6 on this page, we used the value of 7.0% for 2022, as I just explained and compared to that, the value for 2021 was 6.6%. On Page 152 of the business of the annual report, here, we're talking about forecast. For 2023, the value of 7.6% was taken into account. And this is also the calculation of this figure, which I just mentioned to you. Compared to this, it was 7.0% for 2022. The capital cost amount on Page 256 of the annual report 2022 deviate from the one used for the WACC, where the weighted average cost of capital, and this is for the impairment test based on the requirements of IFRS. Unlike the amount used for the weighted average cost of capital. We're talking here about a capital cost following income taxes, which is calculated with the average of the equity and borrowing costs, and this is also a specific capital structure for peer companies in the same industry. This is the equivalent of the return expected by the shareholders and the amount here is the long-term financing terms of the peer group. The final aspect here, the latter aspect, is a difference in compared to what you find on Page 130 and 152. Mr. Jan, you also asked about our capital allocation, including M&A and the share buyback program as well as our indebtedness. And I would also like to say that our capital allocation is based on 4 pillars: organic investments between 2016 and 2022 of EUR 4.9 billion; and industrial cost leadership allows for organic investments can be very profitable. And due to the current tense situations, our investment budget for 2023 has been reduced by about EUR 800 million. When the economic situation returns to normal, this should then go slightly above the amount for amortization. Our second priority is our dividend between 35% and 55%. As with a positive net income for 2016 to 2022, we had a total of EUR 2.3 billion that was used for this purpose. The third priority is our portfolio. In other words, acquisitions. And since 2016, we have spent EUR 1.5 billion on this. At the same time, I can say the largest acquisition is not something that we're focusing on. And finally, we talk about the share buyback program. We bought shares back in the total of EUR 1.2 million, and we have a EUR 500 million program that we discussed today. And this includes the attractiveness to invest in our company, and we are convinced that our share is attractive. We just interrupted this so that our liquidity could be conserved during a difficult situation. Once the economic situation improves then the share buyback program will be back on our agenda. And we're not ruling out the possibility that this could happen in 2023. However, we have not taken a decision here yet and our indebted this will also play a role here. You say that we continue to have an indebtedness, which is consistent, and we have a sound investment-grade rating from Moody's. Mr. Gabler, you asked why we use English terms in the annual report and speeding to circularity and the term WACC and ROCE. Well, we are a global company. That's why we use both English and German. And some of the terms have really become very common in German to use the English term, the title of the annual report for '23 is speeding up to circularity. This means accelerating towards circular economy. That means last fiscal year, we did everything we could in order to make progress with our vision towards circular economy with commodity. We're talking about standardized products that we sell in large amounts. And to assess profitability, the KPI return on capital employed, ROCE, which is the return on capital employed. That's what is measured there. The return on capital employed is calculated from the relationship of the operational results after the taxes and with regard to the capital employed. And if the return on capital employed is higher than the WACC, that is to say the minimum return is then [indiscernible] met and then the company has created value and we determined this at the end of a fiscal year.
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] Mr. Gabler, you also asked about the graphic design of the financial statement and reports and about potential environmental burdens by printing this. Now all I can say here is that we consciously no longer print these reports and provide them online as a PDF so that we as low environmental footprint on this is possible and we employ modern principles for the drafting of business reports in our graphic design here. And then there was a question regarding the downturn of the value of our shares and share funds in our planned assets of EUR 178 million. Our planned assets base -- are based on a balanced investment strategy and the asset comparatively to a general development in share prices and this was reflected by the downturn in the DAX index figure. And I think, therefore, we developed an in parallel to other competitors. I would now like to give the floor to Klaus Schäfer.
Klaus Schäfer
executive[Interpreted] Thank you, Thomas. Mr. Gabler, you asked about our price -- our electricity prices also now price is based on index and market prices versus the energy index EEX and there you can see the transparent prices. Thus, our purchasing prices are volatile as the respective products traded on the stock exchanges and the other exchanges. Now we have -- and therefore, no influence on our growth in the electricity prices and now secure ourselves against increasing energy costs. We have fixed contracts and financial instruments and Covestro does not, therefore, have a fixed gross price per kilowatt hour with regard to electricity in advance. And therefore, we also have no influence on the overall fiscal year in this regard. Mr. Gabler, you are interested to know about the requirements for energy-efficient refurbishment in the next 5 years. You also wanted to know this and an percentage of our real estate had an energy consumption value of over 150 [indiscernible] energy measures only obligatory when refurbishing existing buildings or when building a new buildings, required energy in refurbishing these measures have a carried out on the basis side the respective applicable legal regulations in our general investment and maintenance activities. Therefore, we cannot provide a reliable estimate of the medium-term specific energetic efficiency refurbishment requirement. Now the predominant overwhelming majority of Covestro buildings was built before the value of 150-kilowatt hours per square meter a year, was established in the 1980s. For example, the campus building is the newest building, and it has a consumption of around 90-kilowatt hours per square meter per year and has also been treated with the photovoltaic system. Covestro does not -- energy efficiency is for the existing buildings, but rather we look at our energy consumption as part of our regular energy audits. Mr. Gabler, you also asked about the three largest investment in the ongoing fiscal year. Now we interpret your question in respect to the projects that will have the highest expenses in the ongoing, and thus the three largest investments will be the extension of the underlying capacity in Antwerp with a planned investment EUR 135 million in 2023. Then the establishment of capacity for thermoplastic polyurethane, PU, plant in China, we have a planned investment of EUR 25 million in 2023. And the expansion of global capacity for polycarbonate-based special films in Thailand with a planned investment of EUR 12 million in 2023. And that was it for me. Shareholders have asked why Covestro has decided to use gender-sensitive language. Now diversity equal opportunities and inclusion are an important part of Covestro's value. We put a lot of value on respect towards other people irrespective of their gender, origin, religion, sexual orientation or identity. As we, therefore, are very much aware of the fact that the sensitive and careful use of language can be an important state towards achieving nondiscriminatory and working culture. At Covestro, we have, therefore, decided, where possible, to not use the generic masculine and in the public document to use gender-neutral wordings. For example, the German term [Foreign Language] or 2 terms, the masculine and feminine terms.
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] Thank you very much for these answers. Now we have a further request to speak from Mr. Gabler. Mr. Gabler, the floor is yours.
Unknown Attendee
attendee[Interpreted] Mr. Pott, thank you very much, thank you for responding to my questions, and I think most of them have been responded to in quite some detail, but some of them were not very satisfactory. I would just like to query. You said EUR 435 million or something for the real estate. Now you don't need a big back office to [indiscernible]. We all know that you used to belong to buy. They have buildings from the 20s, 30s, 40s. And I just want a general estimate from the CFO what the book value would be and what the market value might be. So just -- whether it's twofold, threefold. I don't need a direct precise calculation. I just want a general idea from you. And what I think was not a very satisfactory answer was the property tax declaration. You only have 4 weeks to appeal such tax declaration. So are they just lying around on the desk? I would like to hear a specific answer here. Are you going to appeal them? Are you going to object to them? So I'd like to know in more detail how you intend to deal with them. And then Mr. Pott, you said regarding the Board of Management members, whether they actually check how much they are paid. That you don't know, I can accept that. But the CFO, CEO, they don't need a back office to do that. Simply answer, do they check how much they've been paid or whether they just say, well, I get so much money each month. It doesn't really matter if there's a few thousand euros missing there. It's a really simple question. Then, of course, Mr. Toepfer, you're the CFO, please respond in detail regarding the kilowatt-hour prices for electricity. Now, of course, I know you have different prices because they're on the electricity markets. But in 2022, you had a certain amount of electricity that you bought. So how much was it? I think at least you can have some sort of figure here for us. Actually, if we look at the [indiscernible] electricity exchange market, there were negative prices. And then another question, wouldn't you be able to make use of such a fluctuation? Now my criticism about the white text on the black background, the first few pages of the report. Now I print these documents. If I'm preparing for this kind of AGM, I print them. And I want to be able to highlight things. So it's simply a question of using so much -- so just say that you'll in the coming years provide us with a normal black and white printout. I don't have any understanding for the use of anglicisms. It's written in German, and I think you can use a German title on the title page, on the cover page because no Americans are going to read this because it's only in German. Just use German, please. That would be my request. Please use German technical terms because everybody uses different terms here. And then the question again to you, Mr. Toepfer, I'm sure you can answer this as well. Your contract was until 2026. Will you waive your right to have your fixed salary paid until -- beyond your time of employment? It's a question -- it's a simple question. Are you an honest businessman? And you say, if you don't sell anything, you don't get any money or are you going to exploit it for what it's worth? And then I asked some questions about Mr. Toepfer's successor and which companies have assisted you with this. And you answered this simple question by saying, well, it was a respected well-known HR consultancy. Of course, they all think that they're renowned. My question is which one. Now I know there's Egon Zehnder, but there's a few other results. So please tell me who and then what are the conditions -- well, standard market conditions. I'm not an HR consultant. I don't know what the usual conditions are. So please just tell us here. I don't know if it's maybe 3-month salary, 6-month salary. Just tell us a figure. It's not too difficult to tell us, is it? Please just be frank and honest with us in your answers. And Mr. Pott, you made a mistake, I believe, that the overall number of participants is at the end of the report, but that is not correct. This figure is between the proxy holders, which is around Page 60 and then the electronically virtually dialed in shareholders. This makes absolutely no sense to me. It's like saying that you would put the list of content of a book and take it from the front page and put it somewhere in the middle. Just say we'll do better next year and stop being such penny pinchers about the gifts. I think that's not a big ask, is it -- there's not too many unanswered questions that I don't think you need your back office to be able to respond to them. And then, of course, the question of having not had an official motion submitted by me over. Mr. Pott, have you actually been in the investor portal? And it says there requests to speak on motion. So am I supposed to submit a motion if there are technical problems. I was on the list of speakers, but if I don't have the opportunity to speak, logically, I can only make that in writing through the system. So again, here, I think this should be food for thought. And of course, there are certain legislations here that would apply as well. I'm sure you're familiar with the various laws and regulations. You see there are a few unanswered questions here, and I don't think you really need the assistance of your back office to be able to provide some simple answers to these. And I would be very grateful if you could try and clarify these unanswered questions. Thank you very much.
Richard Pott
executiveYes. Thank you, Mr. Gabler, for your questions. Now indeed, I think we can respond to some of those questions straight away. And then I think a few of the others maybe have to be considered a little longer. I would now like to announce a break of around 15 minutes, 15 minutes, a quarter of an hour, and then we will return as soon as possible. Thank you. [Break]
Richard Pott
executiveLadies and gentlemen, the AGM is resumed. All of the responses have been drafted. Let me start, Mr. Gabler. You asked again about the name of the personnel consultancy and the conventions. We ask of your understanding that we will not divulge that name, but I can tell you that the personnel agency ranks among the top 3 worldwide. So it's extremely renowned. You also asked about the conditions. Depending on the contract that we will conclude will be between 50% to 100% of the annual fixed salary, but that is -- that depends on how much we will have to pay to the agency. Mr. Gabler, you also addressed the issue of gifts. Once again, we will look into your suggestion in the run-up to the AGM next year. But if you look at [indiscernible] for example, they have other products. Our products may not be that attractive to you, but maybe we can come up with an alternative. With respect to a request for a postponement of the AGM, well, Mr. Gabler, from a formalistic and legal point of view, I could give you our perspective, but I don't think that's what you want. The choice is quite easy. When we had the technical glitch, we didn't know exactly how long it would take for us to remedy it, and there was absolutely no way for us to predict that and therefore postponing it, for example, to 4 p.m. wouldn't have been appropriate at all. And I must reiterate and tell all of the other shareholders as well that we really deeply regret this postponement. And therefore, should we hold a virtual AGM next year, we will do all we can to prevent this type of problem. Mr. Gabler, you also asked us to review the participants' registry. Once again, we're happy to look into that, whether, indeed, we implement further improvements or identify potential for improvements remains to be seen. That concludes my part. I should now pass the floor to Mr. Steilemann.
Markus Steilemann
executiveYes. Thank you so much. Mr. Gabler, you asked a specific question to the CFO, to me specifically, as far as I'm concerned, yes, I did review my salary. And you also asked the same of Mr. Toepfer, so I'll hand over to him so he can give you a personal response.
Thomas Toepfer
executiveWell, I can confirm that as well as far as I'm concerned. And Mr. Gabler, that's quite simple because the compensation consists of a fixed portion, which is easy to remember. And the variable component for short-term owners consists of the 4 key performance indicators, which are published in the annual report, and therefore, are easy to grasp. So I believe we're not the only ones that won't have any difficulty and don't have any difficulty in verifying that they're being paid the right amount.
Markus Steilemann
executiveThank you, Thomas. Mr. Gabler, you also asked us soon to produce a black and white version of an annual report, and you referred specifically to the first 7 pages of the annual report. Thank you very much for your suggestion. In preparing the next annual report, we would consider that proposal. [indiscernible] perhaps this may not have come across properly, but you asked about the feature of the shock absorber and in that relation, the measures that we're taking to reduce costs and passing those cost savings on to the customer. By 2022, especially in the second half of the year, the cost increases could not fully be passed on to the customers. That was 2022, excuse me. In 2023, we have seen some relief in electricity and energy costs, but the situation remains tight. Our product prices are constantly adjusted and are subject to supply and demand and also the prices of commodities and energy. Of course, Covestro always does its best to pass on commodity and energy prices. The extent to which this is possible, however, depends on the degree of demand and the supply from the competitors. Thank you so much. Now I'd like to hand the floor to Thomas Toepfer.
Thomas Toepfer
executiveThank you. Here again, there was a lack of clarity perhaps. We don't know whether the response came across properly. You are talking about the human resources cost quota that we are anticipating in light of salary increases. For 2023, we anticipate that cost ratio of approximately 13% of expected revenue. Then Mr. Gabler, you direct a question to me. You said that my contract would have run into the third quarter of 2026 and whether I would renounce my right to compensation. The answer is quite simple. Of course, the rights are calculated in such a way that the fixed compensation and the short-term bonus are paid out for 8 months of 2023 and our long-term compensation rights from the Prisma Tranche that are payable or would have been payable after I left the company in 2023 would lapse. So I hope that this is in line with the expectation that you basically implicitly expressed in your question. Then you asked about the market value of our real estate holdings. And I believe implicitly, you asked whether we have great hidden reserves here. Well, against the backdrop of the age and the structure and the location of our buildings in Germany, we don't believe that we have substantial hidden reserves. This is in part due to the fact that these buildings were transferred within the scope of the car park from Bayer. And they have been on our books since the year 2000, as you assumed. On top of that, we are limited when running a chemical park. So we don't have any substantial hidden reserves. And the EUR 134 million in market value is just a portion of the assets, which amount to EUR 443 million. And this is because [indiscernible] holdings in a chemical park cannot be reliably estimated in terms of their value. You asked about land tax notices and whether we will file lawsuits against them. The answer is simple. It's just way too early to make a revival indication. Only 11 of 175 expected land tax notices have been received, and they were received only a couple of days ago. So no legal time limits have even started, not to speak of expired. So we are looking at this. And of course, we will coordinate our efforts in this respect, but we don't have a reliable databases in order to make a statement with respect to taking potential legal recourse. Last, but not least, you asked us about the specific gross electricity price for purchases in Germany. Ask of your understanding that for competition reasons, we're not going to disclose a specific price. Having said that, let me pass the floor to Klaus Schäfer.
Klaus Schäfer
executiveMr. Gabler, once again, coming back to electricity, you asked whether Covestro anticipated -- or no, excuse me, benefited from negative electricity prices. The answer is a clear yes. During certain periods, Covestro in Germany was able to purchase electricity based on negative prices following the logic that we set out earlier today. And then, Mr. Gabler, there's one point that I would like to set the record straight on -- my colleagues pointed this out to me when responding to your question as to whether our energy costs are within the budget and which of them consists of energy savings potential. I had a tongue twister, I referred to 2032. Of course, we're not there yet. So I should have said that in Europe at the beginning of 2023, we experienced a slight relief in terms of energy costs compared to the original budget. The other part of the response remains it stands. Thank you.
Richard Pott
executiveThank you, Mr. Schäfer. For these submissions based on the information available to me, the speakers list has been processed. And this has just been confirmed. Therefore, at this juncture, I'd like to express my sincere gratitude to my colleagues on the panel for the very extensive and comprehensive responses. And above all, thank you, our dear shareholders, for asking these questions and for showing such keen interest in our company. Therefore, we do not have any further requests for the floor. All of the questions have been answered and I hereby close the debate on all items on the agenda. Ladies and gentlemen -- there is a follow-up question. Sorry, I didn't see it because it's not on my system. We apologize. There appears to be a follow-up question that we haven't seen on screen. Therefore, Mr. Gabler, the floor is yours. If you're still -- or here again, you can go ahead and make your add-on submission. Mr. Gabler, I can hear you and see you. So please go ahead.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeMr. Pott, thank you for the answers. I'm not fully satisfied. But in light of how late it's gotten, I'm not going to be too lengthy. But I would like another piece of information. It is important to receive responses. Average electricity prices are something you still haven't responded to. They can be vague. Electricity procurement prices were less than 10 cents, and some competitors pay 40% to 50%, which is the retail price. So I don't need the actual figure, but I just would like to have a rough average, maybe shoot off the cuff without relying on your back office. Aside from that, I do hope that you are able to close the AGM quite soon.
Richard Pott
executiveThank you for your question. Mr. Toepfer, looks like he is ready to answer your question hopefully satisfactorily.
Thomas Toepfer
executiveWell, Mr. Gabler, if you look at this across all regions, our gross average electricity price, including all levies and taxes, was roughly EUR 0.28 per kilowatt hour. I hope that, that gives you a ballpark also relative to the figure that you just mentioned. But as I said just now this is a global figure for the past year.
Richard Pott
executiveMr. Toepfer, thank you so much for that. Now I'm going to look around again to see whether there's another knock-on question. That doesn't appear to be the case so far. So now definitively, I find that no further requests for the floor have been made. All questions have been answered. And now finally, I would like to close the debate on all items on the agenda. Having said that, ladies and gentlemen, we now come to the votes on the draft resolutions on Items 2 to 8 provided by management, one being the collateral proposals by management as you can see in the invitation of the 7th of March 2023 in the German Federal Gazette. I would like to point out that with respect to point 2, the ratification of the acts of the members of the Supervisory Board that those Supervisory Board members who hold shares may not vote. And this also applies to proxies for members of the Board of Management. The same applies to proxies of members of the Supervisory Board in relation to Item 3 on the agenda. Ladies and gentlemen, as I set out in the opening, you now have the last possibility via our investor portal to cast the vote via electronic absentee ballot or to issue instructions and authorizations to the proxies nominated by the company. Likewise, your vote and instruction can be changed for the last time if you so wish now. Looking at the clock, it's 6:55. You have until 7:00. So 5 minutes to make use of the functions I just mentioned. The authorization and instruction feature will then be deactivated. The proxies nominated by the company point out -- there upon will cast your votes according to your instructions. After the end of the vote, the absentee ballot function will also be deactivated. And the absentee ballots that have been received in due time will be considered in the total count of the votes. Thereafter, we will count all yay votes to determine the results of the vote as well as all nay votes. Any abstentions will not be considered. All of this will happen electronically and, hopefully, will not take too much time. We will now take a brief break and wait until 7 p.m. CET, as I just said. After which, I shall reopen the AGM. [Break]
Richard Pott
executiveLadies and gentlemen, it's now 7 p.m. I assume that all of the shareholders and their representatives have had enough time to exercise their voting rights. The functions for giving authorizations or instructions in the investor portal on our website has now been closed. The absentee ballot function will still work until we conclude the vote for just a couple of more minutes. The company's proxies will then be voting as per your instructions. I would now like to conclude the vote and note that now no absentee ballots can be submitted, and I'd like to interrupt the Annual General Meeting so that we can the results of the vote. This will, as I said, probably only take a very small amount of time. Our notary public, Dr. Hammonds, will be monitoring the counting of the votes. I will announce the results of the votes as soon as I have them. [Break]
Richard Pott
executiveLadies and gentlemen, I now have the results of the vote in front of me. And I would now like to continue our AGM. I will be announcing the results, and we'll be handing them over the notary public for the minutes. As usual, you will also see the results on the company's website after today's AGM. First of all, I'd like to give you some updated information on the shares. Of the capital share amounting to 193,200,000 divided up to 193,200,000 shares. You'll see that's 122,470,259 shares are represented with the same number of votes. This is 63.39% of the share capital. In addition, we also have 531,626 absentee ballots that we received. So this gives us a total of 123,001,885 shares. That is 63.67% of the registered share capital. And now I would like to come to the results of the vote. With regard to agenda Items 2 through 8 refer to the Management Board and the Supervisory Board's draft resolutions as published in the Federal Gazette on the 7th of March 2023. When it comes to agenda Item 2, ratification of the actions of the members of the Board of Management, I note that the AGM has accepted the proposal with the required majority. On behalf of all the members of the Board of Management, I would like to thank you for the trust. When it comes to agenda Item #3, ratification of the actions of the members of the Supervisory Board, I would like to note that the proposal from the Board of Management and the Supervisory Board has been adopted with the required majority hereto. On behalf of all of the Supervisory Board members, I'd also like to thank you for the faith you have trusted in me. Now when it comes to agenda Item 4, election of the auditor for the audit of the annual financial statements and for the audit review, I would like to note that the Annual General Assembly has adopted a proposal from the Supervisory Board with the required majority. Agenda Item 5, approval of the compensation report, I note and announce that the AGM has adopted the proposal from the Board of Management and the Supervisory Board with the required majority. Agenda Item 6, approval of the compensation system for the Board of Management members. I note and announce that the AGM has adopted the resolution from the Supervisory Board with the required majority. Agenda Item 7, resolution on revising Article 13 of the Articles of Corporation by including the authorization of the Board of Management to arrange for a virtual Annual General Meeting to be held. I note and announce that the AGM has adopted the proposal from the Supervisory Board and the Board of Management with the required majority. Agenda Item 8, I would also like note that with regard to the resolution of revising Article 16, Paragraph 4, the Articles of Incorporation to allow Supervisory Board members to attend the virtual Annual General Meeting by way of audio and video transmission. I note and announce that the Annual General Meeting has adopted the proposal from the Supervisory Board and the Board of Management with the required majority. And now we have arrived at the end of our agenda. You now have 2 minutes time in order to enter any objection you might have with regard to the resolutions that have been adopted via the investor portal, if you see any reason to do so. This possibility will continue for 2 minutes. It's now 7:28. You have until 7:30 to enter any objections you may find necessary to submit. Ladies and gentlemen, it is now 7:30, we can no longer accept objections for the minutes. That brings us to the end of today's virtual Annual Shareholders Meeting. Thank you very much once again for your interest in our company. I'd also like to thank all employees who are involved in preparing and carrying out this event today. Thank you very much for your dedication. Our next regular Annual General Meeting at Covestro will most likely take place on the 17th of April 2024. Stay healthy, and goodbye. That concludes today's virtual Annual General Meeting for Covestro AG at 7:31 p.m. Thank you very much, and have a safe trip home.
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