Custom Truck One Source, Inc. (CTOS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 14, 2022
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Nicole DeBlase
analystGood afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Deutsche Bank 2022 Industrials Conference. It's our first session of the conference. So thanks for being with us. I'm Nicole DeBlase, and I cover multi-industry electrical equipment as well as machinery as lead analyst for DB. We're kicking off today with Custom Truck One Source. And from the company, we have Chris Eperjesy, who is CFO. He's been with Custom Truck since August 2022. And previous to that, he was at Clarios as well as Cooper Tire and Rubber, where he served as CFO of both companies. And then we also have with us here in the room, Brian Perman, who's Head of Industrial Relations for -- oh sorry, Investor Relations for Custom Truck. So I think Chris is going to kick us off with a few slides, and then we will go ahead and dig into the fireside chat.
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. Perfect. Thank you, Nicole. As Nicole said, I've been with the company 75 days. So you can imagine the steep learning curve I have been up. But I think this presentation is actually a good presentation, kind of a precursor to the conversation because it's actually why I joined the company, a lot of things that are exciting. So the way we kind of position ourselves as a leading integrated provider of specialty equipment, so one stop shop. You'll see here that we have $1.44 billion of trailing 12-month revenue. We have over 2,000 employees, $364 million of trailing 12-month EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA. And in terms of our rental fleet, we have 9,600 units or $1.43 billion of what we call OEC, original equipment cost. In terms of end markets, 60% of our revenue comes from T&D, 22% from infrastructure and then slightly less than 5% for both telecom and rail. And then you'll see on the top right that we have 35 locations throughout the U.S., and I'll touch a little bit more on that in a little bit when I talk a little bit about potential opportunities for expansion. On the next slide, and this is really probably the #1 reason why I joined Custom Truck is the end markets that we serve. You can see here, all of these are, I think, what we would all call end markets that have significant tailwinds with disproportionate growth to GDP over the foreseeable future. Again, as I said, T&D, telecom, rail, infrastructure, you'll see there both the size of the annual CapEx for each of those end markets as well as the expected spend that's going to come from the infrastructure bill. And you'll see in all cases, it's pretty significant compared to what their annual spend is in rail. It's actually 6x their annual CapEx in terms of what we're expecting to see from the infrastructure bill, whether it's in telecom, as we see the expansion and implementation of 5G or just repairing aging infrastructure and rail. And then certainly, as the grid continues, it need to be upgraded and renewed as well as expanded. All of those are areas that we expect disproportionate growth for Custom Truck One Source. In terms of the addressable market, we estimate our addressable market is roughly $30 billion. You can see there on the top left, the breakdown of that new equipment sales is roughly half. Roughly $5 billion is rental and used sales. And then just under $10 billion would be the parts and service. We estimate that we have just under 5% market share. It is a very fragmented market. We're one of the largest, if not the largest, in the space. So a lot of much smaller, we call mom-and-pop competitors. Another area that really excited me is that rental penetration. If you look at the U.S. general rental in terms of penetration in the market, it's north of 60% sitting here in 2022, whereas in the specialty rental, it's closer to 20% to 25%. And so we really think there's a disproportionate opportunity as our customers look at capital allocation. And we're really seeing an increase in outsourcing by utilities to contractors, and that really is deploying a much more capital asset-light kind of model. And so again, we think that plays well into our overall one-stop shop strategy. Again, this is our model differentiated one-stop shop. We manufacture specialty equipment, we rent specialty equipment, we provide service, parts and accessories, and we're also able, through our Custom Truck Capital, able to finance all of that as well as provide the opportunity for our customers to sell their used equipment as well as selling our used rental equipment. So again, it's an integrated production capability that we have, where we're able to take all the parts, put it together and really have that one stop shop model that we think has been very successful for us and will allow for disproportionate growth. In terms of our customer base, it's a very diverse customer base. You'll see some of the names there in T&D and infrastructure and rail. We don't have any large, what I would call, large customers. Our largest customer is less -- we do have a large shareholder. We don't have large customers. Our largest customer would represent less than 3%. You'll see there that our top 15 represents less than 20%. We do have over 3,000 customers and long customer relationships. And so it's -- in terms of the size of our fleet, in terms of our customers and our customer relationships, we think we do have a pretty significant competitive moat when it comes to our overall strategy. In terms of our national branch network, you'll see here our 35 locations. An earlier slide showed that we had roughly 2,100 employees. 10% to 15% or a little bit more than 15% of those are actually service technicians that are out there in the field. You can see that there's opportunities here for further expansion in the Pacific Northwest, in California, up in this area in the New York, New Jersey Metro area, in the Carolinas and the Southwest. And so I'm sure one question that will come up in terms of organic and M&A growth. Those are areas that certainly we would be looking at to continue to grow our overall footprint, and that could be done. In particular, given some of the supply constraints could be done via strategic M&A activity. In terms of overall performance, I arrived in a good quarter. We did have a 220 basis point improvement in our overall adjusted gross profit. Revenue, while it was flat, it was up in our rental business, a little over 5%. Was down in our new equipment sales. The new equipment sales really was constrained by what we're seeing in the supply chain. But as you've seen through this year, we've seen inventory grow, and we feel like we're exiting this year in a good position with chassis, bodies and attachments. And so that should set us up for a good fourth quarter. And as we head into next year to really see some of the tailwinds that we've been talking about as we continue to work through our supply chain constraints that we've experienced in the first half of this year. Overall, adjusted gross profit was up 7% year-over-year, and adjusted EBITDA was up roughly 9% year-over-year. In terms of our balance sheet, since the deal closed last year in April, we're down just under 1 turn. We exited this quarter at 3.77. You'll see on the lower left there that we've continued to invest and have expanded that investment in our rental fleet. In the most recent quarter, we had almost $100 million of net rental CapEx that was partially offset by some proceeds from sales. But we expect that trend to continue. We've talked a little bit about, as we move forward, our expectation is to try to increase our overall rental fleet by mid- to high single digits of our OEC. So on the high end of that, it's $150 million of incremental investment in our fleet OEC. In terms of our current borrowings, we have -- and I apologize, I can't see the screen very well, and I can't remember every number. We have roughly $330 million of availability in terms of liquidity at the end of our third quarter. Our borrowing base is more than we're able to borrow. So we have about $127 million of additional liquidity that could be unlocked if we chose to. And I think with that, this is the last slide. So this last slide, I think, summarizes why you're here and certainly why I'm here. I think this business has favorable end markets. I don't know that I really touched on the infrastructure bill, but that's another headwind that's not even reflected in our backlog at this point. And we really feel like we're well positioned to see continued growth, continued margin expansion in each of our 3 business segments and opportunity for further growth via either organic and strategic M&A as we move forward. So with that, open up to questions.
Nicole DeBlase
analystGreat. Thanks, Chris. So we're going to go ahead and move to the fireside chat. But people in the room, if you have a question, don't be shy, just raise your hand. I'll see you, I'll get to you. For audience listening via the webcast, feel free to e-mail me or shoot me a Bloomberg message, if you'd like me to ask a question on your behalf. So with that, maybe, Chris, just starting with a little bit of a personal question. So you've been in the seat for a few months. Any thoughts on things you might change, ways you want to kind of put your mark on Custom Truck?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes, and I have to be careful. My bosses may be listening. But one of the reasons I joined Custom Truck is it's in its infancy kind of on the journey certainly post the acquisition by Platinum Equity. And there's clearly a lot of growth opportunity there. And with that comes some changes. The business -- and one of the things I love about the company that Fred Ross has created is it's very entrepreneurial. It's had significant growth, but now it's also a public company. And so certainly, my 20 years of being largely a public company CFO, building teams, doing M&A, building out governance structures, building out internal controls, some of the back-office stuff clearly are areas that I think I'm going to bring a lot of experience and background. But as you look at the opportunities we have in a market that's constrained by supply, you start thinking about opportunities to take out cost efficiencies, we talked about building out the footprint when it comes to the dynamic of pricing. I think those are all areas that the team was already executing on. And I really do think this model and this business is really about execution risk. I think my wealth of experience over certainly the last 20 years is an area where this probably is going to add some value.
Nicole DeBlase
analystPerfect. Very clear. So I'm going to start with some questions on just the general business model and the strategy. So I think after the combination with Nesco, you guys have what I would call to be a pretty unique business model that I don't see very often in that you both manufacture and you rent equipment. Can you just talk a little bit about the competitive advantage that this creates and why this is the right business model?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. One of the slides I talked about our market share and how it's a very fragmented market. Clearly, being a large player doing renting, buying components, selling, integrating the production, having to service the parts, having all of that together certainly provides a competitive advantage, both from a cost structure because of the number of chassis, attachments and bodies that we procure and the competitors typically we're competing against a much, much smaller organizations, so it's going to provide that scale. But it also provides a competitive advantage when you're dealing with some of the larger customers, when you have that footprint where they know if they have a piece of equipment anywhere in the United States, that there's going to be within a relatively close distance, a location where they can get service work done. And so it's a model that clearly we like. It's a model that we think given some of the white space clearly has opportunity for growth. And just given the overall supply kind of the demand and supply dynamics we're in right now as well as the infrastructure, it's just there's clearly disproportionate growth opportunities as we move forward.
Nicole DeBlase
analystGot it. And why did you say that there's been clear evidence of realization of revenue synergies, wallet share gains since the combination?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. We think largely that has occurred and that we're right on schedule where we want it to be, both in terms of the integration of the actual operations, integration of some of the opportunities that would come, particularly on the supply chain when it comes to some of the things I talked about in terms of acquiring chassis, attachments, bodies. And largely, the systems integration is done as well. And so I think the short answer is it was success. It's done exactly what we thought it would do. And in some ways, provides a model as on maybe a smaller scale. We continue to do some more strategic-focused acquisition, again on that geographic expansion footprint.
Nicole DeBlase
analystGot it. And you brought up the point that I wanted to hit on, which is the geographic expansion. If you look at what you have currently in the U.S., where are you underweight, where are you overweight, where would the regions where you'd be interested in growing organically or inorganically?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. So it's particularly the East Coast -- sorry, the West Coast. If you look at Northern California, the Pacific Northwest would be areas where we think there's opportunity. The Southwest is another area, this area right here in New York, New Jersey Metro area and then the Carolinas. So really, it's those 5 regions that we think both organically as well as potentially through strategic M&A are going to provide the biggest opportunities for us.
Nicole DeBlase
analystAnd for those in the room that don't have a background in your area of equipment rental and equipment manufacturing world, this is a very fragmented market, right? Is that the case across all of the end markets that you serve?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveIt is. In T&D -- and this is where maybe my friend, Brian, who has been around a little bit longer can help. Within T&D, that is probably the space where we see the biggest competition from a private company that happens to be our largest competitor. But I think largely going back to what I said earlier, it really is a fragmented market. But I think within T&D specifically, the 2 of us do have a higher market share than our overall market share.
Nicole DeBlase
analystMakes sense. And I mean, the hot topic today is are we going into a recession? Like questions from investors all the time about resiliency into a recession. This obviously strikes me as the end markets that you're focused on are business that should be very resilient, if that were to happen. Would you agree with that?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. I mean if you just look at our, again, our 4 key end markets in terms of T&D, telecom, rail and infrastructure and go back and look how they performed during prior recessions -- I think the global financial crisis is unique, and so you probably throw that one out. But in terms of a recession, they've been pretty resilient. T&D, I think, grew in the last 2 recessions. And so we feel pretty good as we look at our backlog in particular for new equipment as we're getting record demand for rental, both for rental equipment as well as for the purchase of rental equipment. And this is even before we're seeing the impact from the infrastructure bill. We definitely think this business is going to be very resilient.
Nicole DeBlase
analystWhat level of growth is -- like if we think about a medium term, putting a potential recession outside over a let's say, a 3- to 5-year time horizon, what sort of growth rates are normal in the industries that you focus on?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveThey're all -- the ones that we're focused on are all going to be -- and they're intentional, the ones we focus on. They're all going to be disproportionately more than GDP. So that mid to high single digits, I think, is reasonable. So we haven't really given a lot of guidance on -- I'll kind of leave it at that.
Nicole DeBlase
analystNo, I think that's helpful. And then back on the topic of infrastructure spending, I think you were kind of alluding to this earlier. Have you guys quantified the potential tailwind to revenue? And I don't think you have, but it would be helpful if you haven't answered that. And then I guess, have you started to see the funding come through yet?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveSo we have not. There's a slide in the deck here that we've kind of laid out what we think the infrastructure bill means to each of those categories. I think in T&D, telecom and rail, all of them are between $60 billion and $80 billion. Infrastructure alone is $200 billion. So just a huge tailwind for us. We don't believe we've seen much of any of that in our backlog. So we think that's still to come. In terms of quantifying or giving a dollar figure to what that could be, we have not. But clearly, it could be significant.
Nicole DeBlase
analystGot it. But I mean, I think the point is you've already seen at least across most of your end markets, the demand pick up even without the benefit of the infrastructure bill.
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveWe have. And so that is one of the challenges we've had. Certainly over the past year is demand is far outpacing supply and working through that. Since the beginning of this year, we've increased inventory, I believe, $140 million. So we feel like as we're exiting Q3 and certainly here in Q4 that we're in a much better position from a supply standpoint. I think Ryan McMonagle, our President and COO, said it best on the earnings call. It really now is one-off things like cylinders, like hose, kits and things like that, that are causing $150,000, $200,000 of inventory to be sitting there as we work through that. But we feel like now in the fourth quarter and heading into next year, we're working our way through some of those supply chain constraints.
Nicole DeBlase
analystGot it. We will definitely hit on supply chain at some point during this presentation. But maybe just finishing up with some of the medium-term drivers. So what about the rental penetration story? So where could penetration go over time in your view versus where it is today?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes, that's probably the hardest one to pinpoint. I showed on an earlier slide that overall general rental equipment is close to 60% today. And I think the expectation is it's going to go further sitting here, specialty rental is 20% to 25%. Clearly, interest rates going up, people not wanting -- looking at capital allocation decisions just like we do, we think there's an opportunity there. I think you all know rental is our highest margin opportunity in terms of our segments. And so whether that is on a path to 60% at some period in time, who knows. But what we do know is it's going to grow.
Nicole DeBlase
analystGot it. Makes sense to me. And you just inspired a question. So thinking about the impact of interest rates -- I get this question a lot in the rental space -- how does rising rate environment change the rent versus buy conversations with your customers?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. Again, because of the supply constraints, I think some of this is getting muted and you can't see the real effects, but there's no question that people are keeping equipment longer on rental and there may be a disproportionate demand now for rental. But having said that, at the same time, our backlog is up over 100% versus last year for new equipment sales opportunities. And so I don't know that we've seen a significant impact at this point. But clearly, if rates were to continue to rise, it would certainly potentially could push towards that rental decision, which again comes with disproportionate margin opportunity for us.
Nicole DeBlase
analystYes. It's like you guys went either way, right?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveWe went either way.
Nicole DeBlase
analystThat's the good thing about this model. So maybe a shorter-term question on utilization. We've seen utilization surprise to the upside really since I've been covering this stock. It's reached new record levels. Is it fair to say that utilization should moderate from here as let's presume that supply chain does ease and OEC on rent grows?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. I think, again, Ryan, I think, said it best on the earnings call. We exited -- or we finished the quarter, I think, just under 84% utilization. He indicated that we finished at 87%. There is a limiting factor at some point because as equipment comes off rental, it has to go through service and then be put back out. So it's you can never get 100%. But I think cautiously, we're saying at that record level of 83%-84%. That's probably the way to look at it. Is there more opportunity as we look at ways to get more efficient at turning rental equipment and things like that? Potentially, there could be upside. But I think Ryan's comments about it, that 83% being kind of the right number, I think, holds.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. And then one of the other big variables in the rental piece of the business is OEC on rent yield. It's been very steady for the company coming around 39%, I think, for 4 quarters now. Is that viewed to be sustainable level of yield for the foreseeable future?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveWe think it is. We think there may even be opportunity for expansion. And so that's an area that clearly we focus on, whether it's margin expansion or ORY are all areas we're looking at. Ryan touched on the fact that it did dip a little bit in the quarter, and that really is just the timing and how the metric is calculated of using an average of the equipment that's on rent on an end-of-month basis, but on average for the quarter. And so if equipment gets put in at the end of a particular month or at the end of the quarter could be disproportionately weighted. So there was some of that. And then there potentially could be mix that could make that number move a little bit. But if you look at the underlying trend, we feel very good about where ORY is and where it's going.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Perfect. On the earnings call last week, I think one of the new pieces of news is that you guys plan to step up the sale of used rental equipment in the fourth quarter. Can you just talk about what's driving that decision given how high utilization is?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. A couple of things. Ryan touched on the age of the fleet, and there are customers out there, the demand -- it really comes down to the demand. There's significant demand for that used equipment. We have some aged equipment that we're more than happy to sell and to replenish as we're going through our capital expenditures. And so it's a combination of demand, it's an opportunity to get rid of some of the older aged equipment. But at the same time, we feel comfortable now, as you've seen in the most recent quarter, where we were able to add $100 million to the rental fleet that we're on a path where we'll be able to sustain that mid- to high single-digit growth that we talked about in OEC.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Got it. And is this kind of like a one-time, I guess, catch-up of used equipment sales? Or should we expect them to remain elevated into '23?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveI think the best way to think of it, I do think the demand right now is probably unique. So I don't know that we should expect it to be at this peak level all 4 quarters of next year, but we certainly expect there to be continued demand for rental equipment purchases next year.
Brian Perman
executiveAnd from a seasonal perspective, Q4 and Q1 tend to be a high period for used equipment sales. End of the year, companies want to use their CapEx budgets. And then as they enter the year, they get new budgets. And so that's when we tend to see the seasonal peaks.
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveThat's a good point.
Nicole DeBlase
analystGood point, Brian. Okay. And then back to the supply chain issues and maybe shifting to the TES business. Obviously, supply change struggles like there have been for pretty much every company we cover. But I think you've noted that you've started to maybe see some signs of improvement, or could we say light at the end of the tunnel? Can you talk about that?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveI would say both. And so you've seen our inventory grow. And again, I think Ryan's examples were perfect on the earnings call in that we've been able to finally start to replenish chassis and build chassis inventory bodies, some of the attachments we need, but it has come down to a few examples of cylinders, where there were quality issues or missing hose kits. And we feel very comfortable now that we have the inventory we need and that we have some visibility in terms of our key vendors going forward that we feel very comfortable that we're going to -- that we are seeing that light at the end of the tunnel. Is everything fixed in the supply chain, not going to be a headwind at all? No, of course not, because we still -- we'll take as much equipment as we can get. And as you can see from our demand right now in terms of our backlog on new equipment, but we definitely are seeing improvement, significant improvement.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Got it. And the backlog in TES is quite extended at this point. I think it was $700 million plus as of this last quarter. Given this supply chain constraints are easing, what's the medium-term reasonable level of growth to expect in the TES business? Is that also kind of mid- to high single digits?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. I guess maybe I'll turn it back on you, Nicole and say, I think in your model, I think you guys have next year in the mid-$800 million range and the following year in the mid-$900 million range. I don't think that type of growth is unreasonable.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Good. Thank you for the model. I guess any signs of backlog cancellations or deferrals to date? And I guess if you maybe look back at history, there's probably never been a time like this where you've had this much backlog.
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. So in terms of looking back to see what normal cancellations look like, it would pale in comparison to what in terms of the backlog level now. Now what I will say is we have not seen any significant cancellations. But one thing we're almost certain of is that if somebody were to cancel, there's somebody willing to take that product immediately. So we feel very good about the backlog and the health of the backlog.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Is the expectation that as supply chains ease and you start to work your way through executing that backlog, that as analysts, we should be kind of ready for order activity to slow a bit?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. I mean, would we like to have the backlog stay at $700 million in perpetuity? Probably not. So I would not read anything into if the supply chain constraints continue to moderate, if we continue to be able to flow that through, do you want to have 10, 11, 12, 13 month lead times? No. So I think more realistically getting down into that 3- to 6-month kind of time frame in terms of backlog is probably what ideally we would like to see.
Nicole DeBlase
analystAnd that 11- to 12-month lead time, is that the zone that you're in now for new orders?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. I mean if you just look at $700 million and roughly comparable sales, if you look at where we've been on a TTM basis, I think that's -- yes, is the answer.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Got it. Maybe shifting to the aftermarket parts and service business. So I think from memory, part of the decision to combine Nesco and Custom Truck was a plan to grow the aftermarket parts business. Where are you on that journey?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveSo that's still the plan. It is our smallest segment. However, it is a profitable segment. One of the decisions we've had to make as we're going through the supply chain constraints is where best to use service and we're best to use parts. And you can imagine, given the demand we're seeing in rental and in TES, a lot of the focus has been there. Having said that, we've seen significant margin expansion through the first 9 months. We expect that to continue. We see huge opportunities going forward in APS. One data point that gets me excited is we say that there's $15,000 to $50,000 in stuff, accessories, equipment, other things that can be added to one of our new pieces of equipment, that there's no reason why our customers can't be buying that stuff from us as well. And so as we look at that, part of it will be the geographic expansion. The conversation that we've had, and part of it is as we work through the supply chain constraints, being able to free up some of the focus on that business in terms of service and parts, I think there's upside there as well.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. That's great. And I guess maybe stepping back and looking across the whole portfolio. Like is there a substantial margin expansion story over time here? Or is it more about top line growth?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveI think there's both. Clearly, we've had margin expansion this year. If you look segment by segment, we've indicated we think there's still opportunity there, in particular as we continue to scale and you see some of the efficiencies. I talked a little bit about rental equipment coming off rent, there's an opportunity there to get more efficient in how you get it off rent, service it and get it back on rent as well as -- so I think the answer is both. There's certainly opportunity for both.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Just going to pause for a second. Any audience questions I want to make sure I haven't ignored any one. Okay. So we have a few minutes left. I definitely want to hit on balance sheet capital allocation. So net leverage has come down. I think it's like 3.8x as of this quarter, still remains elevated versus your target for 3x. How much time are we thinking to get to that 3x-ish level?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. We think we can get there by the end of next year. It's going to come from generating more cash as well as from EBITDA expansion. But we clearly think we can get there by the end of next year.
Nicole DeBlase
analystThat's great. Okay. And once that happens, how should we think about capital allocation priorities?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveI don't know that our priorities change. So we're going to continue to invest in the business. I talked about the rental fleet, investing there mid- to high single digits every year. We're going to continue to pay down debt and delever. We're going to continue to look at strategic M&A. So that is the one area that depending on the size of the deal could potentially create some additional leverage. We think this business can handle that. But sitting here today, I feel comfortable we're going to get there by the end of next year. We've done -- we've delevered and bought back stock, invested heavily in the business and been able to do pretty much everything you do from a capital -- and done an acquisition in HiRail. We think that we have the ability to continue to do all of that.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Got it. Maybe just digging in a little bit more on the equipment rental CapEx piece that you brought up. So obviously, I presume that there's been a bit of a constraint here from a supply chain perspective where maybe you would have bought more if you could have. If we see supply chain issues really moderate with the strength of customer demand, is it fair to assume that there's probably a bit of an upward trajectory to overall equipment rental spend?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveWe think so. I mean, again, with all the tailwinds that we have, we think there's opportunity for growth in each of the 3 segments, and I think they're all comparable types of conversations, but for sure.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Got it. And maybe digging a little bit into the M&A piece of the conversation. So do you think about the opportunities mostly focused on the end markets where you operate today and there's still a lot of room to build out further? Or is it about finding other complementary end markets where you could expand into?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveI think the answer is both. So we showed the map of the U.S. where certainly there's geographic opportunities for expansion, both organic or via M&A. There's probably adjacencies where equipment is using the same chassis or some of the same bodies that is just an issue of a different attachment or some other reconfiguration of a vehicle where we'll have again, a strategic advantage in terms of our size and scale. And so I think that one-stop shop model is going to fit well. And so I think the answer is it can be both.
Brian Perman
executiveI think the one key thing to add there, though, is that we certainly have a view that we don't want to introduce increased revenue volatility into the picture. And so that's any changes there, that will be kept in mind.
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveYes. I think that's important. So we've been very intentional in the end markets we've selected. And clearly, we'll use the same process as we look at any potential M&A activity. So I think that's a good point.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Got it. And then I guess just maybe remind us of what are the major aspects of deal criteria as you evaluate deals that you would potentially do?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveThat's a good question. I don't know that I've heard a list of criteria in my first 75 days. But clearly, we're going to just look at the acquisitions we've done. So we did HiRail. Clearly, looking at an asset that has good fleet, we're going to look at the age of the fleet, we're going to look at the geographic location, we're going to look at, as Brian just raised, what is the end market that, that potential acquisition is serving? Is it one that fits well in our model. I think it's pretty -- I think it's as simple as that.
Nicole DeBlase
analystOkay. Clear enough. So last question, I have to ask this one. I get this a lot from investors. So I think private equity still owns, as per my last Bloomberg search, like 70% of the stock today. What is the time line? Like what's the messaging around when we're looking at that stake being sold down to maybe increase the float?
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveI have a chart here. Clearly, that's not a conversation we have often with Platinum, or if at all, with Platinum Equity. Clearly, they're a very supportive shareholder. They've been very supportive. They're supportive of the strategy that I laid out today. I would assume the way they look at this is it's a great investment that has a lot of options depending on a number of different factors of this business over the next few quarters. So I don't know that I have a good definitive answer for you and certainly not one that wouldn't get me in trouble. But I think there's -- one of the things I loved about it, and I bought stock on Friday, so I'll throw that out there. One of the things I loved about this opportunity is just that. There are so many options for this business. The one that is core to it is what we've talked about today. It's got great end markets, it's going to grow, it's positioned as well as anybody in the industry to capture a disproportionate share of that growth and to continue to see both revenue and margin expansion. And so again, I think there's a lot of potential outcomes in the future. But me and Ryan and the rest of the management team are really focused on executing the strategy we talked about today.
Nicole DeBlase
analystPerfect. Well, I think we'll go ahead and wrap it there. Chris, Brian, thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate it, and thanks to everyone who tuned in.
Christopher Eperjesy
executiveThanks, everyone. Appreciate it.
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