Dollar General Corporation (DG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 10, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Chandni Luthra
analystGood morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We are here at the Goldman Sachs 27th Annual Global Retailing Conference. I'm Chandni Luthra, the U.S. discounters analyst. And it is my pleasure today to introduce members of the management team of Dollar General and to moderate our fireside chat. DG needs little introduction. It is one of the largest U.S. retailers with almost $30 billion in sales and close to 17,000 stores across the country. Here to discuss the business and the opportunities ahead with me are Todd Vasos, the CEO. Todd joined DG in 2008 during the last recession and became the CEO of the company in 2015. We also have with us today, John Garratt, the CFO of the company. John joined DG in 2014 and became the CFO towards the end of 2015. And finally, we have the COO of DG, Jeff Owen. Jeff returned to DG in 2015 and has been serving as the COO for about a year now. Team, welcome, and thank you for joining us today. I will now hand it over to Donny Lau, Vice President of IR and Corporate Strategy.
Donny Lau
executiveThank you, Chandni. Today's comments will include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, which can be identified because they are not limited to statements of historical fact. Such statements include, but they are not limited to, statements about our strategy, plans, initiatives, goals, financial outlook or beliefs about future matters, including, but not limited to, beliefs about COVID-19 future impact on the economy, our business and our customer. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to differ materially from our expectations and projections. These factors include, but are not limited to, those identified under forward-looking statements in our earnings release issued August 27, 2020, under Risk Factors in our 2019 Form 10-K filed on March 19, 2020, and in our Form 10-Q filed on August 27, 2020, and in the comments that are made during this event. You should not unduly rely on forward-looking statements, which speak only as of today's date. Dollar General disclaims any obligation to update or revise any information discussed today, unless required by law. We may also reference certain financial measures that have not been derived in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures are included in our earnings release issued on August 27, 2020, which can be found at investor.dollargeneral.com under News & Events. Now it's my pleasure to turn the event over to Chandni, Todd, Jeff and John.
Chandni Luthra
analystThank you, Donny. Once again, welcome team. If I could start with the big picture. You guys obviously have also the consumer with your 16,000 plus stores acting as a checkpoint. What do you feel about the health of consumer right now, especially when we consider that 2Q was obviously very strong for you, but is there a way to parse out more trends versus the impetus that the business got from fiscal support?
Todd Vasos
executiveYes. Thank you for the question. As you think about our core customer, and prior to COVID, she was probably in the best financial shape she had been in, well, in the 12 years that I've been here. And I would tell you that she had a little bit of money in her pocket. She was back to work. In many cases, working more than 40 hours a week if she wanted to and had the ability to do so. COVID-19 hit, and then obviously, things changed a little bit. But the great thing is that core consumer had still money in her pocket. So she was able to do a nice stock up to get her home ready, like most Americans were doing in the face of COVID. And as we move through the next coming months, stimulus helped our core consumer, obviously, in the middle of the summer. And obviously, even today, as we look where the consumer is and up to the August time frame that we announced during our second quarter earnings call, the consumer was still -- while she wasn't in stock-up mode any longer, she still is in somewhat of a replenishment mode, meaning that she uses it in her home, she's replenishing it that same week. And so we're still seeing that phenomenon. The great thing is, what we've also seen is a good trade down customer. And with that, we saw that our core customer and trade down customers that were coming into the brand, actually bought a lot of our nonconsumable areas, too. So discretionary areas did very well, not only seasonal, but all the way through home and apparel. And so we're cautiously optimistic. Our core consumer always struggles, right? She -- while this is the best she's been, at least going into COVID financially, but that's still saying that she does struggle, and she's continued to struggle through COVID-19. We'll have to continue to monitor this as we look at what stimulus will or won't do as we continue to move through the back half of the year. But we're optimistic with what we've seen at least up to that August time frame so far.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's very helpful. And if I may dig deeper into your 2Q results. So just wondering about traffic. What drove traffic to decline in the second quarter, especially as you had traffic contribute positively to comps in your 1Q results? And just trying to understand that with respect to lockdown measures that obviously eased throughout the second quarter, how should we contextualize that negative traffic versus, say, new customer acquisition that you also talked about and market share gains that you talked about during your 2Q results?
Todd Vasos
executiveYes. Another great question. I mean as you look at it, Q1, we had a positive traffic number. Q2, slightly negative low single digits. And I would tell you that as you look at that low single-digit number, it was probably one of the better performances across consumable retail that was out there. And what I attribute that to, quite frankly, is a couple of things. One, our core customer, for the most part, they are frontline workers. So they continue to be gainfully employed through COVID. So that's one of the reasons. But trip consolidation, obviously, is playing the main factor of this traffic consolidation. But when you think about our better performance that consumer of ours continues to be gainfully employed, again, for the most part. And then the trade down effect, I think, was the other big one that I'm sure is not lost on most folks, surely not for us. We saw that trade down come in, started in that April time frame and really has stuck with us up until and including where we are today. So as we continue to watch that, we can see it through our credit card data and through our proprietary -- talking to our consumers, our proprietary information that we have, that consumer is a little bit more affluent. So she has a little bit more household income. She is a younger consumer with family and much more digitally savvy than our core consumer. So when you look at all that, a lot of our initiatives, which we'll talk about, I'm sure, shortly, really resonate with that consumer. And what we've seen in our data and that credit card data is that trade down consumer has come in multiple times since that April time frame. So what that shows us is she likes what she has seen. And she continues to come in and not only looking for those items that she needs for a household, but shopping that discretionary side very nicely as well. So great to see.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's very helpful, and that's a good segue into sort of my next question because you talked about basically a more digitally savvy customer. So if perhaps we could talk about your omnichannel efforts. You guys basically accelerated your BOPIS offering at a remarkable pace. And from a mere handful of stores at the end of 1Q to pretty much the entire chain you guys talked about that you will have by the end of 3Q. So as we think about omnichannel in the context of your stores, do you think that absence of an omnichannel offering deterred your customers or any newer customers to come to you in the reality where physical distancing is likely to be an ongoing concern beyond the near term? And are there other omnichannel offerings that you're thinking about?
Todd Vasos
executiveYes. Another great question. As you think about it, I think it's just the opposite. I believe that our small box format, conveniently located, 75% of America lives within 5 miles of a Dollar General store, 7,400 square feet, so very easy to park and traverse the store. Not a lot of customers at any given time in the store, so she feels comfortable in that social distancing realm that we're in. So I believe it was a competitive advantage during this time. It's a competitive advantage for us without COVID, but I think it really became a competitive advantage during COVID and still is. And as we think about the omnichannel piece, our core consumer is a fast follower. And we study her very closely, as you know, probably know that customer better than most retailers know their customer base. And I would tell you that our core consumer, while starting her digital journey, is still behind the curve somewhat from where the rest of America is. In saying that, she has told us she wants more convenience in her digital shopping realm as well as still that great value that we offer. And contactless is becoming more important. So with that and even well before COVID hit, customer was telling us this. We started on our journey way back a few years ago on digital coupons, right? And that was really our entry into the digital world. We -- next to COVID, we were actually the second retailer by weeks to launch digital coupons. So we are on the forefront of that. And then obviously, we started to work on our DG GO! app, where you can come in and just scan items, check out on your mobile phone and walk out of the store with no contact at all, which we've now got up and running in hundreds of stores. And as we roll self-checkout, that will be the component of self-checkout eventually for the majority of our stores. And then as you step back from that, obviously, cart calculator, different digital means to help the consumers save money and time as well as then BOPUS, right, buy online, pick up in the store, or DG Pickup as we like to refer to it as. We are happy to announce that we're over 16,000 stores now up and running with just a few 100 stores left to go to be full chain rollout, buy online, pickup in the store. And so far, so good. Our consumers love it. And then even more so, our new consumer base, this trade down customer really loves it. So I think we've hit a home run here. Time will tell. We've got a little time yet to continue to run water through the pipes, if you will, to make sure everything is running well. But so far, so good there, and we'll continue to monitor that. And then as you look into the future, we're always looking down the road and around the corner. And where our next venture will be in digital, the consumer will take us is how we look at it. And the consumer right now, e-commerce delivered to home is not that important to her. But in saying that, we know that one day that may be. So obviously, we're working on things now behind the scenes to ensure that we're ready for her when she's ready to launch her e-commerce journey, if you will. But we always like to say here at Dollar General, we're going to take her along that journey. So as she thinks digital and as she thinks e-commerce, she thinks Dollar General first.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's great. If I may switch gears to basically unit growth. So you've often talked about DG as a mature retailer in growth mode. As we think about your unit growth opportunity, how do you view it in a post-pandemic world? How you think about your long-term store capacity target? Do you see it changing from where you were, what you thought about it pre-pandemic? And where does your small format stand in all this?
Jeffery Owen
executiveChandni, this is Jeff. I think I'd say we're very excited about our pipeline and the opportunities to expand Dollar General, nothing's really changed there. We still believe we've got 12,000 opportunities available. Of course, those are available to everybody. And I doesn't say we'll get every one of them, but I think our track record has said that we will get more than our fair share. And we're real pleased with the fact that our real estate model is very sound. We have very, very good tools and technology around market planning to respond to different demographic shifts. And the team really does a nice job of responding and really being nimble to how the things are changing. We're pleased with our pipeline this year, which will prepare us well for the future. But right now, we think that pre-pandemic and post-pandemic, we believe Dollar General is as relevant as we've ever been. I think we've talked earlier about the new customers that have come into our model and seen what we have to offer. So certainly, you combine that with the opportunities and our strength in format innovation, I think bodes well for us to be able to serve the communities for the type of store that they need. And you mentioned the smaller format. Our formats go from the DGX, all the way to the DG Market and many in between. And on the DGX front, we've been a few years at this now. And we're real pleased with what we're seeing. We continue to refine that. And we think that there's runway. And when we talk about DGX, what I will say is we believe that there's up to 1,000 opportunities, and those are not included in the 12,000 that I referred to earlier. So we think that the vertical living really responds well to our offering. And we're pleased and we continue to innovate that format. So more to come there. But we feel very good about the future and the ability to expand Dollar General across the country.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's very helpful. Just sort of sticking with that theme because one of the themes that was discussed widely at the conference yesterday was sort of what real estate opportunities might come out for stronger retailers in the aftermath of the pandemic, be it in the form of rent negotiations or better boxes or perhaps a faster pace of store openings? Any color you could throw on that, on any of those themes would be helpful.
Jeffery Owen
executiveYes. I mean, I think you've seen us in the past. When opportunities come our way, if you'll recall, a few years ago, we acquired Dollar Express stores. Those 300 stores that allowed us to really enter into more deep urban and really learn more about how we're able to serve that customer. And we're real pleased with the learnings and the performance we've had there. We've also, as you've seen other competitors, when unfortunately, they are not -- are no longer in operation and things come our way, we are able to respond. And I think that goes back to our format innovation. So I think we're able to really be flexible with the opportunities that present themselves. Of course, we're always focused on serving our customer and ensuring that we can get our stores where the customers are wanting them. And certainly, on the returns front, I know John has mentioned many times, we're pleased with the way the stores are performing. So we'll continue to look at things as they come across. But as you know, 1,000 stores this year, we're looking at just about any opportunity. And if things come our way, we'll be happy to look at it. But we feel real good about our strategy of opening stores, and we'll continue to stick to that and look forward to the future.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's great. I'd like to switch gears to some of your initiatives, starting with DG Fresh. So you obviously accelerated a lot of these initiatives in 2Q and DG Fresh was one of them. How has the performance of your self-distributed stores? How has it differed versus the rest of the chain? And is there an opportunity to introduce more SKUs, whichever way the customer wants to go, and perhaps even more produce in your stores? Any color around that. Any color around any gross margin opportunity versus SG&A investment as you think about DG Fresh, that would be great.
Jeffery Owen
executiveChandni, I would say this. You obviously -- the way you ticked off some of the benefits, you certainly are familiar with DG Fresh. So I think you've heard us talk in our recent quarter, John mentioned, in terms of our gross margin expansion, DG Fresh is one of the largest contributors to that. And so we certainly are seeing the benefits around our cost of goods and removing that middleman markup, that has certainly been of benefit. So we're very pleased with the performance of DG Fresh, and we expect to be in 14,000 stores by the end of this year. So we are ahead of schedule. And it's hard to believe how fast we've come on this initiative, and we're very excited. So as it goes, we said we would be able to remove costs and improve margins, and that's happening. We also think that there's top line benefit. We're seeing it right now. You've heard us say many times, when you compare the third-party distribution to our dry side, we see about a 10-point differential in the in-stock percentage of the products. So we've always thought there's a big opportunity there, and we're seeing that. And then also recall, we've talked about not only the DG Fresh initiative, but you combine the DG Fresh initiative with the higher capacity coolers that we have also included in many of our stores, which provides us with about 45 -- 40% to 45% more capacity and allows us to handle 25% more items. And so we are adding items. We're doing that already, more items into the assortment. Because remember, with DG Fresh, it now opens up the opportunity for us to source product from many different opportunities. So as an example, we're able to carry the #1 hot dog brand, which we weren't able to do before. And it also opens up the ability to introduce more private brand into our cooler assortment. So we certainly see room to grow there, and we're very pleased. And we'll be able to offer the customer even more than what we've already implemented in the stores we've rolled out. And then we expect to be done with DG Fresh in 2021 and then we'll be able to look at produce, as you mentioned. And as you know, we have produce in a little less than 900 stores right now. So we've been doing that for many years. And it goes back to our DG Market days where we've been learning about produce for quite some time. So now with DG Fresh, it's an unlock. It allows us to continue to improve the margin on the produce side. We like what we see when we put produce in stores. It certainly is responding well to customers. But as we continue to move down this road, we'll see the margin rate accretion that we're looking for. Right now, it's margin dollar accretive. So more to come there, but we feel like, as you can probably tell, DG Fresh unlocks a tremendous amount of opportunity in our stores.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's great. And switching gears on that similar theme, but sort of switching gears specifically to your supply chain. Besides self-distribution of fresh product, what other opportunities do you see in this area, talking both domestically and internationally? As you think about expanding fresh in your store base next year, how should we think about your distribution network evolving in terms of traditional DCs versus cold storage facilities versus private fleet, if you could perhaps throw some color there.
Todd Vasos
executiveYes. I would tell you that we're always looking down the road and around the corner as it relates to everything in the business, including our distribution and transportation networks. And as you think about distribution, we have stood up in the last couple of years with DG Fresh many facilities as we continue to grow that side of the business. We have said from the beginning that about 5 a year to 6 a year feels about right. And so 10 to 12 by the time we get finished with this year. And then obviously, we still have a few more into 2021 on the fresh side. But bigger picture is how do we become now even more efficient. So this year as well and into next, we're going to have a couple of facilities that are our dry facilities today that will actually combine a fresh element to it. So we'll have a combined DC where we're shipping both our dry side and our fresh side out of the same facility, which we believe will unlock a lot of efficiency for us as we continue to go down the road. And as we build new DCs and where those DCs are located on the dry side, if it makes sense, we will be adding the fresh component to that as well. We continue to look overseas as well on how we bring goods over, how we store them overseas and stage them and bring them over. So there's always those opportunities that we continue to watch as well as DCs on this side, where we consolidate goods over in the U.S. So there's a lot of different moving parts that we manage each and every day. But I have to say that our team is very good at stripping out cost as it relates to both distribution as well as that transportation side.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's very helpful. And sticking with sort of that theme, but just discussing inventory in the back half because that's another theme that just comes out of this conference that a lot of retailers have a lot of inventory constraint going into the back half. So what gives you confidence to manage your in-stock levels as you think about the coming 2 quarters? What categories are seeing bigger constraints for you versus others? And then how do you think about distribution and transportation costs in the back half, especially with the level of elevated volumes we just have in the ecosystem at this point.
Jeffery Owen
executiveWell, Chandni, this is Jeff. On the inventory side, we've said this many times, and our teams do a fantastic job of reaching out and building on the relationship we have with our suppliers. I think the thing to keep in mind on the inventory side is Dollar General has been growing with our suppliers long before COVID. So we were out in front of this very early. Certainly, we're facing the same constraints that all retailers are facing. So that's obvious. But the one thing that we're doing that I believe is very -- has been very helpful and we continue to see improvement here is the creative problem-solving that our merchant teams and supply chain teams have been able to accomplish. And to give you a good example, during the pandemic, we have been able to stand up new items that are not even a part of our assortment. And we've been able to bring these items into the supply chain in a matter of weeks and get them through the supply chain on the shelf for the customer. So I think that just is a testament to the flexibility and the creativity of our teams to be able to serve that customer. And we continue to apply those things, obviously, as we move forward, and we continue to reach out to our suppliers to continue to partner with them. And the other thing to keep in mind is we are a pretty large player with many of our suppliers. You've heard us talk about the fact that we're top 5 with most CPGs and top 3 with many. So -- and we're growing. So obviously, that has been something that we've been able to really work with our suppliers on. On the other side of the inventory, when you think about holiday in the back half, it really is the same story. Our teams overseas have done a fantastic job of working with suppliers over there and being out in front. And I would say, basically, we're business as usual there. And we've been able to bring inventory over. And quite honestly, we've been able to ship inventory, holiday merchandise early to our stores in some cases because of the great sell-throughs we saw with the lawn and garden, some of the summer seasonal. So we've set some of our holiday product faster and earlier than we have in the past. So again, it's a day-to-day activity that our teams collaborate tremendously well with not only internally but externally, and we'll continue to do that. But we feel like we're in a good position for the back half. And we'll be there and ready to serve the customer.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's great. And if I could just remind our audience, if you have a question, please feel free to submit it through this session via the Ask a Question box, and I will ask it on your behalf. Switching gears to your nonconsumables initiative. We're obviously talking about discretionary categories here, but in the event that there is no further fiscal support from the government, how do you think about this program with more cash-strapped consumer given that there is a possibility that we could see a pivot towards nondiscretionary categories again? And then as a follow-up to that, you guys talked about a lighter version of nonconsumables. What does that entail? And how is the investment profile different?
Jeffery Owen
executiveThe nonconsumable initiative, I think you got to keep in mind one thing, it's very value focused. And we've been at this thing for quite some time. I think several, several quarters, we've been providing this offering to the customer. So we've been through many turns. And I think the thing to keep in mind on the NCI is the treasure-hunt aspect and a value-based offering. Most of the items in the NCI initiative are below $5. And so that's one of the things that I think the customers responded to very well, that $5 or less offering. And so what we believe is the customer, quite frankly, has been responding well to this during NCI. And really, that treasure-hunt feel has always been something that has resonated with our Dollar General customer. So we feel real good that this offering is going to continue to resonate with the customer. And that's one of the reasons why we've accelerated it and a testament to our teams, again, creative, problem-solving and strategic thinking, they've come up with a way to get into more stores in a lighter version. So what -- that's what the 400 NCI light. So when you think about light, I think the thing to keep in mind there is, it's not light on product, it's the exact same assortment. What it is, is it's light on the complexity and the moves that it takes to pull off the remodel. So it's a less costly approach to being able to get the product inside the store with not all of the adjacencies exactly perfect like they would be when we actually go through and remodel and physically move around all of the steel and gondolas inside the store. So what it does is it gets the assortment in the customer to see. And then over time, as you know, remodels are a big part of Dollar General and our strategy. So we'll eventually be able to get the adjacencies for the NCI over time when we remodel the store. But with the remodel -- excuse me, the NCI light, we've been pleased with the results. And so the customers responded well. We're excited about that, and it really gives us that opportunity to get this into more stores. And we'll see where we go down the road. But this is just another way for us to be able to offer more to the customer inside that box.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's very helpful. And we just got a question on the webcast here. On your most recent conference call, you mentioned that you're already working on the next-gen of initiatives. Is continuous improvement a formalized part of the organization? Is that how we should be thinking about it? What are the new initiatives that might be on the table? And if you could perhaps throw any color around it?
Todd Vasos
executiveYes. Obviously, we're always looking to see what that next big thing is or bigger things. We don't believe in silver bullets here at Dollar General. We know that it takes a lot of smaller to mid-term initiatives to continue to drive that top line traffic. In saying that, we're always looking ahead and where the consumer is going to be down in her journey. So stay tuned. We're going to have more information that will continue to come out. But suffice it to say, we are looking right now and actively working right now, a lot of different angles, to continue to push ahead in our strategic journey that we've been on, really, for the past 5 to 6 years here, being very strategic in what we do. So stay tuned, more to come on that.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's great. There are these bunch of common questions that we are asking all companies presenting at the conference. And I completely understand and acknowledge that some of these might be bordering on guidance. So feel free to paint with very broad brush strokes as you see fit. But if I may, if taxes were to go up next year, would you expect any change in your investments, perhaps any rollback? Yes, no, any color?
John Garratt
executiveChandni, this is John. I'll take that question. And I'll start by saying, I don't really want to speculate specifically about what's going to happen with regard to government policy and tax rates. However, as you know, this business generates a tremendous amount of cash, and we have more than usual coming out of 157% growth in cash from operations year-to-date. And with that in mind, we've already started to accelerate a number of our high-return investments this year as we're adding 2,000 more stores to DG Fresh, 400 more stores to NCI, as Jeff mentioned, 200 more real estate projects and scaling DG Pickup from a pilot to chain-wide this year. So we're going ahead and pulling those benefits forward. As you know, our capital allocation priorities, #1 has always been investing in high-return investments in the business, and I don't see that changing. And we feel really good about the number of high-return growth opportunities that we can invest in. And historically, ensuring we don't exceed our people capacities, we're doing so many initiatives, has really been more of the gating factor as opposed to lack of capital. So more to come on that, but we feel really good about what we're doing with the current initiatives and those to come.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's great. If you could perhaps give us any color, do you expect margins to be higher or lower in calendar 2021 versus 2019?
Jeffery Owen
executiveI don't want to -- it's too early to speculate specifically on 2021. I don't want to give any guidance here, but let me talk more generally around what we're seeing and what we see over the long term. We feel really good about the performance we've delivered on gross margin expansion; 5 consecutive quarters of expansion, 167 basis points of expansion in Q2. And as you look at the drivers, I think that's instructive as you think about the long term. The #1 driver was higher initial markups in Q2. And that was really driven by DG Fresh. That was the primary driver of that, and that's the gift that keeps on giving as we scale that to more stores and achieve even greater efficiencies, serving more stores from the number of DCs. #2 was mix. And while certainly, stimulus and abrupt changes to shopping behavior certainly help. You had people stuck at home and they wanted to do things for the house, get toys for the kids, fix up the yard. I think what we've done to that piece of the box with NCI and then taking the best of the best, employing that across the system, positioned us very well to capture a large piece of that business as it came in. And I think it positions us very well going forward. We were doing very well in nonconsumables, going into with 9 consecutive quarters of comp growth there. So we're -- wouldn't expect quite that kind of shift we saw this quarter, but we feel good about our nonconsumable business going forward as well as other mix levers. If you look within consumables, the mix within the mix there. If you look at health and beauty, health and beauty has been growing very nicely for us. We're taking a lot of share there. When you look at the stark contrast of price between us and drug, we're taking a good bit of share there, and we think we're very positioned -- we're well positioned to continue to grow that. It has margins more akin to nonconsumables, even though it's in consumables. So a lot of opportunities within category management. And then #3 was lower markdowns and specifically lower promotional markdowns. The team has really gotten very targeted. We've put pretty sophisticated models and tools in place to help us get the best bang for the buck under specific circumstances, where we really know kind of open up the playbook in terms of what's going to give us the biggest impact, the biggest incrementality for the whole box and drive sales most profitably. And in this environment, we're very well positioned. We haven't had to be as promotional, and we feel great where we're at in terms of price positioning, right, where we want to be. And so in the near term, don't see a need to invest there, but we'll always reserve that right if needed. So as you look at these and you look at the growing impact of DG Fresh, of NCI, of the other initiatives as they scale, and then all the other levers we have. Private brand expansion is a big opportunity. Foreign sourcing expansion is a big opportunity. Shrink with the investment we've made in EAS completing the system, 6,000 more units that went in, in the back half of last year and now 40% more tagging. We see benefits coming from that. And then supply chain. The team remains focused on driving efficiencies there as we scale our private fleet, as we expand our carrier base, as we drive efficiencies through load optimization, stem reduction. When you put that all together, we think we're making the right investments to expand gross margin over the long-term while driving the top line, and think we're well positioned to do that.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's helpful. And I know we are pretty much reaching the end of the mark here. But if I could just squeeze 2 quick questions that's part of our tally. Do you expect to have more or fewer stores in 2021 versus 2019?
Jeffery Owen
executiveMore to come. We've not given specific guidance on our real estate plans for next year. But I would tell you, if you've looked at the pattern, it's been about 6 -- nearing 6% unit growth per year. We're going to do about 1,000 stores this year, and that feels like a pretty good pace for us just based on the phenomenal results we're seeing. Again, there, they're limiting factors. We just want to have a high level of execution and continue to get those great results. So more to come, but that 6% feels pretty good right now.
Chandni Luthra
analystGot it. And finally, do you expect pricing power to be stronger or weaker in the future versus the past?
Todd Vasos
executiveYes. As you look at pricing, we feel, again, very good about where we are on our prices. Actually, in the 12 years that I've been here, this is the best positioning we have been in. And just to reiterate, we are at parity with mass, 20% cheaper than grocery on a day in and day out basis and up to 44% cheaper than Drug every day. We believe that we're in a great position, and we also believe that we're in a great position if we need to do anything for our core customer to continue to drive traffic that we have a lot of leverage in gross margin, as you heard from John just a few minutes ago talk about that we could -- we can pull those levers and ensure that we balance our gross margin as well as continue to drive traffic.
Chandni Luthra
analystThat's great. Thanks for [indiscernible] Todd, Jeff, John. I really appreciate it. And hope you have a great day.
Todd Vasos
executiveThank you.
John Garratt
executiveThank you.
Jeffery Owen
executiveThank you.
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