Domino's Pizza, Inc. (DPZ) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 12, 2020

NASDAQ US Consumer Discretionary Hotels, Restaurants and Leisure special 92 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Domino's Pizza Virtual investor Q&A Event Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference to Chris Brandon, Investor Relations Director. Please go ahead, sir.

Chris Brandon

executive
#2

Thank you, Joelle, and welcome, everyone, to today's virtual investor Q&A event. This morning will be a 90-minute Q&A session, following some brief intro remarks from Ritch. Questions are open to our sell-side coverage analysts who will be prompted by the operator just like on our regular quarterly earnings call. [Operator Instructions] And for those unable to join live, the full event will be available for replay at biz.dominos.com. As a reminder, our discussion today may include forward-looking statements, and actual results or trends could differ materially from those indicated in these forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. For more information, please refer to the risk factors discussed in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K, quarterly report on Form 10-Q and our other filings with the SEC. Domino's disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements in the future. Thanks again for joining us today, and I will now turn the meeting over to our Chief Executive Officer, Ritch Allison.

Richard Allison

executive
#3

Terrific. Thank you, Chris, and thanks to all of you for joining us this morning. We really have 2 objectives for our time together today. First is to supplement our normal earnings calendar with one more opportunity to discuss the business and for you to ask questions. And then second, and really most importantly, is to expose you to some of our key leaders. You hear from me pretty often, but the pandemic has made it impossible to host you here in Ann Arbor. So we wanted to use this virtual event format to give you access to some of our team, so you can hear from some of them directly. So I'll start this morning with some introductions of the folks that you're going to hear from on the call today. We have Stu Levy, our Chief Financial Officer. And now many of you heard from Stu on our Q3 earnings call. Stu joined Domino's in early 2019 to lead our supply chain business, delivering significant improvement in the operational and the financial performance of that division. And in his new role as CFO, we look forward to all of you getting to know him even more in the future. Next, we have Joe Jordan, Executive Vice President over our International business. Now some of you have met with Joe in the past when he was our U.S. Chief Marketing Officer, where Joe just had an incredible run of same-store sales gains in the U.S. For the last 2.5 years, Joe has led much of our International business and we recently expanded his scope to include all of our markets outside the U.S. Now while the rest of us are socially distanced here in our innovation garage in Ann Arbor, Michigan, Joe is joining us today from his home base in the Netherlands. Next is Art D'Elia, Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer. Now, some of you have also met Art, who joined us in early 2018 as our Chief Brand and Innovation Officer, and Art was named our Executive Vice President and CMO in July this year. Art has led a number of successful brand actions and advertising campaigns in his time here at Domino's. And most recently, Art drove our 2020 menu innovations and, just announced last week, our transition to a new advertising agency of record at the beginning of 2021. Kelly Garcia is with us today, our Chief Technology Officer and Executive Vice President. Kelly is the most recent addition to our executive leadership team but Kelly has had a tremendous impact on the business on our technology and on our e-commerce growth since he joined us in 2012. Kelly led our core e-commerce platform team and was also instrumental in developing our lineup of AnyWare ordering platforms. Kelly and his team also developed our GPS platform, Domino's Hotspots and most recently, Carside Delivery. And last but most certainly not least, you all know Russell Weiner, our Chief Operating Officer and President of our U.S. business. In addition to leading our business in the U.S., Russell also oversees our centers of excellence that support our global business. These centers of excellence include operation support, marketing, technology, innovation, analytics and insights, store development and communication. Now before we get to Q&A and you start to hear from these leaders, I thought I'd take just a minute or 2 and just share a few thoughts on the business. I guess it goes without saying that 2020 has certainly been a year like no other. And for our business here at Domino's, this has brought a mix of tailwinds and also some headwinds. I can tell you that I am very proud of the way our team has adapted and innovated this year while always staying true to our core values. And while COVID-19 has brought some unique short-term dynamics to our business, it's also reinforced that what matters most in our business largely remains unchanged. Having a safe and great-tasting product, delivering consistent value for the consumer, terrific service for both our delivery and our carryout businesses, technology leadership in all things that we do, innovation, and that's related to the menu but much broader than the menu, unit economics, which you hear us talk about all the time, and growth through fortressing. And finally, and perhaps most importantly, franchisee alignment, and that franchisee alignment really has allowed us to adapt very quickly to this environment in 2020. So if anything, we believe that COVID has accelerated some of the industry trends that we believe serve to strengthen our position in the marketplace long term. And most notably, the shift to digital as consumers' preferred method of ordering food. That has certainly leapt forward in 2020, and we don't see any signs of that slowing down after COVID. And second, the shift to off-premise consumption, which was occurring pre-COVID, has accelerated during COVID and as we look forward, we expect off-premise around delivery, carryout and drive-through to continue to be our customers' preferred methods of doing business with them. So as we've navigated the business through 2020, we've done so in the same consistent and focused way that we always have, with a near-term obsession on delivering the breadth of best product, value and service for our customers while ensuring that we remain committed to the long game with ongoing investments in our brand, in our people, in our communities, and very importantly, in our franchisees. And while we still don't know what the new normal is going to look like or when we'll ultimately get there, I am extremely confident that no matter what that new normal looks like, Domino's will be well positioned for the long-term success. So with that, let's get to your questions. Operator, I will turn it over to you to start the Q&A.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Brian Bittner with Oppenheimer.

Brian Bittner

analyst
#5

I'm going to take this opportunity to ask Art a question. Art, you've had a very successful marketing campaign over the last many years. And after 13 years with the same agency, you did just announce that you're going to end your relationship with that marketing agency, and you'll start 2021 with a new marketing partner. Can you just please talk about the reasons for making this switch after all the incredible success you've shared together with this previous partner? And what do you think the biggest changes consumers are going to see in your marketing moving forward? And just also talk about how you are going to construct the marketing strategy in 2021 to help you roll over the incredible strength you've experienced in 2020.

Arthur D'Elia

executive
#6

Brian, thanks for the question. Yes, you're right. We've had an incredible run with Crispin Porter and Bogusky over the last 13 years, and they've been a key contributor to our success, including our recent success. I don't think we would have put up the numbers that we did the past 2 quarters without the great work that they did to quickly get messages in front of consumers, to reassure them that they could get their food delivered safely or picked up safely. But as you probably heard us talk about before, we're a WorkInProgress brand. And part of that is continuing to push ourselves to get better. And we think our new agency, WorkInProgress, is going to help us get better. And specifically, you might be aware they're a small, independent agency. And as a result of that, we think they're going to help us get faster. And I think one of the things that we've all learned during this crisis, but certainly was a trend in marketing before the crisis, is that consumer changes are going to happen at an accelerated rate. And we really want to continue to be able to roll out marketing initiatives and campaigns at a more rapid pace and also take advantage of some of the opportunities that we have in the digital space. We're doing a lot in nonlinear video and some of those interactive digital channels where we really have an opportunity to get more messaging in front of consumers quicker than we have in the past. So we think WorkInProgress is going to make us stronger in that space and really allow us to engage consumers. On the second part of your question, on the playbook we're going to run next year. It's going to be the same playbook that we've run for the last decade. This brand has demonstrated the ability to consistently deliver growth now over a decade. And there's been a lot of consumer cycles that have happened over the last 10 years. And it's staying focused on what we refer to as the consumer value equation, which is making sure that we focus on product quality, great service, certainly the digital migration that we were at the forefront of, and value. Value is going to be really important. We know that consumers are facing a lot of turbulence right now, and we think our value proposition is going to continue to be a key competitive advantage for us.

Operator

operator
#7

Our next question comes from Eric Gonzalez with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Eric Gonzalez

analyst
#8

Now the election's in the past and the new administration is at least attempting to transition to power, can you discuss what a Biden administration means for Domino's Pizza? And which of the new administration policies are you most concerned with? And are there any which may present an outside risk, whether it be taxes, wage rates or new regulations that have potential to impact the business?

Richard Allison

executive
#9

I'll try to take that one. We spend a lot more time thinking about what we can control and what we need to do in our own business versus the politics. I'm proud to say this next month in December, we'll celebrate our 60th year as a brand. And those 60 years have spanned quite a few Republican and Democratic administrations over the course of time. Our history as a brand has spanned wide ranges of tax rates, of labor policies, I mean trade policy, I mean you name it. And so we don't really know any more than you do about what policy changes may come in a Biden administration. But what I can tell you is that we're just staying relentlessly focused on serving our customers and on creating a business model and enhancing this business model that drives great returns for our franchisees. And I think if we can continue to do that, then no matter what happens with labor rates or tax rates or other things that we can't predict or control, we'll position ourselves as a brand to win in the marketplace. And I think regardless of what happens there, those brands like Domino's Pizza that have the strength in the balance sheet that we have and the brand presence that we have, the market share that we have, and most importantly, the unit economics and franchisee help that we have, I think we're well positioned to win regardless of what comes our way out of Washington.

Operator

operator
#10

Our next question comes from Lauren Silberman with Crédit Suisse.

Lauren Silberman

analyst
#11

So Domino's has among the best technology strategies in the industry, which has been a competitive advantage for the company over the years. As we've seen an acceleration in digital adoption across the industry, increasing digital investments from large restaurant peers and loyalty programs that are seemingly becoming table stakes, how are you thinking about maintaining your competitive advantage with technology? What makes the Domino's digital ecosystem such differentiated assets? And what are your priorities over the next couple of years as it comes to digital and technology?

Richard Allison

executive
#12

Great. Thanks for the question, Lauren. I'm going to kick that one over to Kelly Garcia. Kelly, you want to take that one?

Kelly Garcia

executive
#13

Yes, absolutely. We have always invested in technology to be where our consumers are going to be. And that was in the past in adoption of new technologies like AnyWare, watches and voice. Now as we see the transition to more digital, we're just going to continue to invest and optimize those channels. But as you look at the environment in COVID and during the pandemic, things like making sure that team members feel safe with adoption of contactless delivery is important, so we'll continue to offer safe options or what we launched this year in Carside Delivery to ensure that there's not only convenience in carrying out from our stores, but also the safety component as well as the launch of GPS so that consumers can see where the driver is in the process of tracking their order all the way to their house and providing efficiency tools for our stores. Across the gamut of that, if there's a technology that our consumer is going to benefit from or that our franchisees are going to benefit from to drive same-store sales, we're going to continue to invest going forward.

Operator

operator
#14

Our next question comes from John Glass, Morgan Stanley.

John Glass

analyst
#15

Ritch, you talked about 2020 being a big year for digital adoption. I think that's across all brands in the space, and third party aggregators obviously got some real benefit as well. And I think you've always highlighted the fact that the value proposition at Domino's and the delivery value proposition specifically is just much better. Do you think your consumer understands that well? Or do you think that's an area where you can really leverage that differentiation through media, through advertising? How do you break through and make sure your consumer understands there's a lot of options, but you still are the best and cheapest option from both the speed and price value equation? How do you get that through to the consumer? Or do you think they already understand it?

Richard Allison

executive
#16

Great. Yes, great question there, John. Yes. Russell, why don't you take that one?

Russell Weiner

executive
#17

John, with respect to aggregators, I think there are things that consumers know and things we'll reinforce over time. When we talk to customers, I think there are a couple of things that we see as advantage. One is there's nothing -- especially during COVID, there's nothing between our restaurants and our customers. It's just us. And that's really important and couldn't be even more important during these times. The other thing, and I think Ritch mentioned this on the earnings call, is they can trust us for consistency and price, and we hear that. I'm proud to say we've had the same $5.99 offer since 2010 and the launch of new and inspired. And so the value, that's expected. We don't surprise people. We also don't surprise them in delivery. They open up their check and they see what we charge for delivery. And what we're starting to hear more and more is there are more fees than just delivery fees, and that seems to be surprising people. So if you look under taxes and other fees, there's that little question mark, and you click that, and people are seeing 10%, 11%, 12% over the cost of the delivery fee or even in the case of a free delivery, you see those charges. So I think there's a lot of confidence in the quality of our food that no one stands between us and our customer and just the guarantee of our value.

John Glass

analyst
#18

And you think that the customer appreciates that now? Or do you think you have to reinforce that method? I guess that was my question. Do you think that's an opportunity for you that there's a lack of understanding of those differences?

Russell Weiner

executive
#19

I think the more they're using these services, the more they understand. And certainly, there's an opportunity to continue to differentiate ourselves between Domino's delivery and somebody else delivering your food.

Operator

operator
#20

Our next question comes from Gregory Francfort with Bank of America.

Gregory Francfort

analyst
#21

I'm glad you guys can't see us because the quarantine beard is getting a little out of control. It's crazy. Russell, I had another question for you. Just one of the things I think that's changed recently in the Domino's organizational structure is the consolidation of technology and marketing to have them work more together. And can you maybe talk about why that matters and what that does for you that maybe you couldn't do before?

Russell Weiner

executive
#22

Yes, sure. I think many of you know me. Ritch and I have worked alongside each other for a long time, have been at Domino's since the end of 2008, where I started as our Chief Marketing Officer. And I think what we started to do then and are continuing to do now is really touch consumers in a holistic way. And with these latest amount -- with these latest moves that Ritch has made, I think the thing that you see in common is all the departments that I work with are ones that directly touch customers. And all that means is our ideas can be more integrated. Our ideas can be more impactful, and we work together a little more and we're more agile. So that's probably the common denominator when you go back and listen to the things listed -- Ritch listed off reporting to me, it's the stuff that directly affects the customer.

Richard Allison

executive
#23

And Greg, what this new structure also allows us to do in Russell's organization, not only does he bring that holistic approach to how we address the consumer to the U.S. business, which Russell leads directly, but also those centers of excellence support the international business, which Joe Jordan leads as well. And as our business continues to grow around the world, there's a lot more that's the same than there is that's different, to be honest with you, in terms of how we need to approach the consumer. And Russell and Joe have a terrific working relationship over many years and are really partnering hand-in-hand to bring a lot of this terrific technology and marketing and analytics and insight that we've rolled together for our U.S. business. We're starting to bring more of that to our international partners as well.

Operator

operator
#24

Our next question comes from Chris Carril with RBC Capital Markets.

Christopher Carril

analyst
#25

Question for Russell. Now that we're 8 months removed from the beginning of the pandemic, and it feels a lot longer than that, but among the most obvious trends that have accelerated have been the growth of digital ordering and off-premise consumption, both of which Domino's has been ahead of the curve. And Ritch, you touched upon this in your prepared remarks. But are there any less obvious trends or shifts in consumer behavior that have surprised you in the last 8 months? And how do you feel Domino's specifically is positioned relative to these other shifts in behavior that maybe we're not picking up on?

Russell Weiner

executive
#26

Yes. I mean I can definitely tell you, a year ago this time, I was not thinking of a pandemic, so there's been a lot that surprised me. But I think the one thing that Ritch talked about that's not only been comforting, but is something we've worked on is a business model that really is -- these trends are just exacerbating. So the fact that delivery is increasing significantly, and we're the #1 delivery brand, the fact that people are buying more things because they're at home, right? So they may be getting more food at home. We've had a mix and match offer for years that allows them to bundle things together. And so our ticket is going up naturally. We're not raising prices. Consumers are just naturally bringing things home. So yes, I don't -- like I said, the pandemic itself is certainly nothing that anyone could have predicted. Even from a store count perspective, we're seeing -- trailing 12 months, our store count is about where it's been -- where it was this time last year, even with municipalities' slowdown on permitting, et cetera, et cetera. So yes, I really -- we're surprised. Certainly, where we are in the world right now. But I think our model is just shown that we're headed in -- we've always been headed in the right direction.

Operator

operator
#27

Our next question comes from David Tarantino with Baird.

David Tarantino

analyst
#28

My question, I guess, is similar. I guess, one of the big debates in the investment community about what's happening out there is whether the big strength that Domino's has seen in the business since the start of the pandemic is either a new layer of business or a new layer of customers or a new layer of occasions, however you want to think about it, or just a temporary increase that's related to the pandemic. So I guess, the nature of my question is, as you evaluate the data of what happened over the past couple of quarters, do you think it's a new customer acquisition story and that you have a new layer of business? Or do you think this is just kind of an unusual period where you're seeing in the usual types of trends?

Richard Allison

executive
#29

David, thanks for the question. And I'll kick that over to Art because we do, David, we look really in a nuanced way at both of our businesses, the delivery and the carryout businesses. And we look at customer acquisition and customer retention trends within both of those businesses. And Art, maybe you can comment a little bit on there from your perspective on what we've seen over the last 6, 7 months.

Arthur D'Elia

executive
#30

Yes. No, happy to. I mean -- so one, I don't think high-growth is a new phenomenon for Domino's. Like I remarked on earlier, we've seen periods of high-growth throughout the last decade. So yes, this pandemic is unique. And yes, there's been some tailwinds, in particular, in our delivery business that we've benefited from. But this has been a business that I think has delivered consistent growth now for a long period of time. And one of the things that we saw pre pandemic was a lot of growth in our carryout business. Now that business hasn't experienced the same tailwinds as we have in our delivery business because more customers are staying at home. But that business has a tremendous amount of upside still in the future. And same with our delivery business. We have benefited from some of those COVID tailwinds in acquiring more customers. And that's allowed us to reach some new customers, in some cases, some lapsed customers that hadn't purchased from us in the previous several years. And Russell just touched on this as well. In addition to the acquisition, because a lot of customers are looking to have leftovers, they're buying sides and desserts from us that they haven't in the past, which gives them an opportunity to explore parts of our menu that I also think will be a benefit going forward for us because we have some great products in there. So I continue to be really excited about the new customers that we've been able to acquire through a delivery business. But also as things open back up post pandemic, the continued upside in our carryout business.

Richard Allison

executive
#31

David, we always -- we can always step back and think about the fact that tonight, we're still only going to serve about 1 out of every 5 pizzas that gets consumed in the U.S. tonight. So we've got so much share gain upside coming out of this pandemic. And as Art said, we -- over time, we've built such a terrific data and analytics capability that all of these new customer acquisitions we're getting, we have an opportunity to really understand and get to know those customers and think about how we can market to them in the future.

Operator

operator
#32

Our next question comes from Jeffrey Bernstein with Barclays.

Jeffrey Bernstein

analyst
#33

Great. A question just on the broader franchisee mindset. I mean clearly, 2020 has been a strong year for Domino's. But I'm just curious when you engage with franchisees, both in the U.S. and abroad, any change to their mindset on the business? Just wondering, sentiment on topics like the potential to change the unit growth trajectory with the most recent delays and closures you've talked about or their view in terms of the need of continued new product news or outside near-term cost pressures. And I know you talked broadly about franchisee alignment, but just trying to get a better insight into what the past 6, 9 months have meant to the franchisees and how maybe the sentiment has changed around any of those fronts as it relates to messaging you're hearing from them on the outlook going forward?

Richard Allison

executive
#34

Great. I'll make just a couple of very brief comments. And then Joe, I'll ask you maybe to speak a bit about our international master franchise partners, and then Russell, our U.S. franchisees. Jeff, it's been -- honestly, I've just been blown away at the level of engagement and commitment and sharing of ideas and best practices that we've seen across our franchise partners in the U.S. and internationally as we've navigated our way through this pandemic. And if anything, our communication with the franchisees and our relationships with them has only been elevated during this process. And one of the things when we talk about it as a management team, that we hope to take away once COVID-19 is -- once we have a vaccine and we have therapeutics is that level of engagement, we want to maintain even at that higher level going forward because it's allowed us to move so quickly during the pandemic. And as we look going forward, Art talked about the need to be nimble and to move fast. I think it will position us even better with our franchise partners to do that in the future. So with that, just kind of as an overarching comment. Joe, why don't I turn it to you and talk a little bit about it's been a pretty eventful time in some of our international markets as they've tried to work through this pandemic.

Joseph Jordan

executive
#35

Thanks, Ritch. Yes, it has been a very varied experience for our international masters. Some of them are public. You've seen the results, and we've had some who have had tailwinds, some have had significant headwinds. But the one thing that's been consistent is, I'd say we're closer, as Ritch mentioned, to these franchisees now than we were at the start of the pandemic. And as I think of our large masters without fail, they're more optimistic about the future and the strength of the brand and the business model that Domino's brings, digital, delivery. Carryout is a very big opportunity in many of our international markets that hasn't been tapped into as much as it has in the U.S. So I think the collaboration is better. We talked about all the different functional areas where we've developed our expertise in the U.S. A lot of our larger masters around the world have done the same. I think of DPE, I think of DPG. We're now getting closer, Kelly in particular, around technology and the need for us to work together and solve the very similar problems we have in 90-plus countries around the world. So I think the relationship is tighter, and I believe the optimism and the leaning in is there in our master franchisees.

Richard Allison

executive
#36

And Russell, maybe a few thoughts about our U.S. franchise [indiscernible].

Russell Weiner

executive
#37

Yes, I'd like to say we couldn't be on the call without thanking our U.S. franchisees. They are truly on our front line, feeding our customers. I think the -- what you've seen during COVID, what I've seen, and I'm really proud of, is what's been working at Domino's over the last 10 years that I've been here? Well, 12 years, actually. Is increase -- it's just gotten stronger. So for example, one of the things that in our relationship with our franchisees is trust, right? There's lots of unknowns in the world today. I think our franchisees know that we make disciplined decisions based on the data. So in a world where there's so much unknown when we can bring them facts and talk about why we're doing what we're doing, that trust really goes a long way. The second thing is customer retention. Art talked a lot about all the customers that are coming on right now. We know the biggest driver of retention is service. What's happened during the pandemic is almost a fast forwarding of the adoption of all of this technology that's going to improve service. So we've got Carside Delivery, GPS, Pie Pass, all of these new service -- newish services that we've launched, the adoption has just been fast forwarded during COVID. And then lastly, I think because of that, we've seen them being just as aggressive as us. They're supportive of marketing and the adoption of all this new technology; they're still bullish on store openings. And so yes, I think it's just -- it's dialed up what already was an extraordinarily strong relationship.

Operator

operator
#38

Our next question comes from Brett Levy with MKM Partners.

Brett Levy

analyst
#39

I appreciate you guys taking the time to share all of this. I hope you're all doing well. Just kind of going back to some of the questions, just asking a different way. You've obviously been very front-footed on technology and strategy. And more recently, you've stepped up your menu innovation. But as you're going up against challenging comparisons, how are you really thinking about marketing, what you need to do on the menu, what you really need to do to grow and maintain the stickiness of your loyalty. Do you think that there is a need to be more incenting or we're really double down on the value component as you go into 2021?

Richard Allison

executive
#40

Thanks, Brett. Art, I'll let you take that one.

Arthur D'Elia

executive
#41

Yes. So as I mentioned before, when we think about marketing, we're going to activate what we refer to as the full consumer value equation and try to engage consumers on a number of fronts. On your specific question about product innovation, we had a 3-year gap in between launching new products. We launched bread twists back in 2017 and then our new chicken wings this past July. And one of the reasons for that is, you've heard us talk probably in the past about, we're not big believers in the limited time offer game because those limited time offers typically are not very incremental and add a lot of complexity to our stores. So we want to really make sure that we're adding menu innovation that's going to be incremental and sustainable to the business. So I don't think you'll see another 3-year gap in between us launching new products, but we're going to continue to really rigorously test those product concepts to make sure that they are going to be incremental and sustainable and additive to the business. So the philosophy that we're going to take on many innovation will be very consistent with what you've seen over the last decade. On your question regarding stickiness, clearly, loyalty has been a key lever for us in driving retention. And I know we typically get a lot of questions about membership and growing membership is something important. It's something we continue to do, but the team also focuses a lot on engagement. Consumers earning and redeeming points, which is a key way that we drive frequency with those customers. And we have one of the largest loyalty programs in the industry, which allows us to engage a very large audience of members and drive that frequency with those customers. And that's something that we continue to focus a lot on. The other thing I'd note as well is continuing to drive digital adoption, but also migrating consumers to our different digital platforms, in particular, our app. Our app is our stickiest platform, and we work really hard to continue to migrate consumers to our app, where we have a lot of remarketing tools and ways to drive frequency with them. So we're pulling a lot of levers to continue to drive frequency with customers and retain them.

Richard Allison

executive
#42

And so just to go on a point that Art said about the app, here in -- since the first quarter, while you haven't seen us run any of our boost weeks, as we call them, our 50% off weeks or things like that, we have run some very targeted promotions to get folks to download the app because we know that is a great vehicle to create stickiness for our customers over time.

Operator

operator
#43

Our next question comes from Andrew Charles with Cowen & Company.

Andrew Charles

analyst
#44

Great. And great to see you guys in this Brady Bunch format. A question for Ritch. Since we last spoke, there's been some notable M&A activity in the industry. And Ritch, just given your vantage point, the CEO, Board member and your background of private equity, I was curious on your thoughts for if you think the industry is ripe for M&A activity in 2021. And maybe the extension of that as well is that given Domino's digital advantage that is theoretically scalable to another brand, as well as the brand's expertise in operations, restaurant growth, data analytics, global and marketing, is Domino's open-minded to adding another brand to its portfolio?

Richard Allison

executive
#45

Andrew, thanks for the question. There certainly has been a good bit of M&A activity in the industry. And some of it at some multiples that are pretty high popping at times as well. But when I think about -- when I think about Domino's, we've -- even as the market leader in the pizza category, we still have so much runway for growth in our business. If you look relative to some of the other categories, whether that's burgers or coffee or other, pizza is still really fragmented. And I look at our opportunity to continue to gain share in our core business as really the place where we want to focus going forward. And so if we were sitting here with a 50% plus share of the global pizza market, I might think very differently about that, but we've still got, as I said earlier, we'll serve about 1 out of every 5 pizzas in the U.S. tonight, and we'll serve about 1 out of every 6 or 7 outside the U.S. And I like the fact that our brand, our people and our franchisees wake up every morning focused on 1 thing, and that is Domino's Pizza and continuing to drive this business. So while there is a lot going on out there around us, and certainly, we have some substantial capabilities inside of our business that could potentially be leveraged, I just -- I look at it, and I just like the focus that we've got as a brand and a system. And I see so much runway and opportunity for profitable growth, delivering pizza and providing carryout experience to our customers that I don't want to divert that focus right now.

Operator

operator
#46

Our next question from Todd Brooks with CL King & Associates.

Todd Brooks

analyst
#47

Quick question on fortressing. Just wondering, updated thoughts on the fortressing strategy, given the likely competitive closures in existing markets as a result of the pandemic and the possibility that new units within a given market that wouldn't necessarily be a fortress unit may open up for franchisees, and they may decide to use their capital to maybe spread the reach in the market versus fortress to market?

Richard Allison

executive
#48

Great. Thanks for the question. This one, I'll also kind of divide up into 2 parts. Russell, maybe take a bit and talk about how we're thinking about this in the U.S. and then Joe, maybe some highlights across some key international markets, which are also very aggressively fortressing. So Russell, can we hit the U.S. first?

Russell Weiner

executive
#49

Sure. Well, as you know, we've got 2 businesses. We've got a delivery business and a carryout business. And the great thing about is fortressing helps each, right? So from a delivery perspective, we talked about earlier how service is what makes people come back. When we fortress and we're closer to our customer, we deliver to their homes more quickly. When we deliver more safely, but quickly to their house, they come back for more. So certainly, helps our -- fortress helps the delivery business. From a carryout perspective, every time we open up a store, the well majority of the carryout orders are incremental. And so that's kind of a fresh business, even to a store that may be split as delivery territory. So fortressing is critical to growing the business, and our franchisees see it and they believe it. And they know, just like I said before, everything we do is kind of data driven. We put a lot of data analytics into these, figuring out where the right places for these stores to open are. And after years of doing it and then being able to look in the rearview mirror and saying, "Wow, this works," can certainly see why they'd still be bullish.

Richard Allison

executive
#50

Yes. And before we go over to Joe, I'll just add one thing. We're putting our money where our mouth is on this, on fortressing as well. We operate corporate stores in 7 markets around the U.S. And virtually, every new corporate store we build is a fortress opportunity because we pretty well got those geographies covered. But we believe in it so much that we're quite happy to put our own capital against it. And as Russell's development team brings those opportunities to me and to Stu for approval, I mean we say yes, every one of those that pencils from a return perspective, we are building. And I can tell you, I'd love to build more and more of them in the future because it is a great return on investment, whether it's for us or for our franchisees. So Joe, maybe a few thoughts around some of our international markets, who, in a lot of ways, kind of led the way on fortressing, if we think back over the last kind of 5 to 10 years.

Joseph Jordan

executive
#51

Absolutely. The dynamics hold in terms of 2 businesses and carryout and delivery and the more we fortress an area, the better service we're giving and the more carryout customers we can hit. Where it does vary a little bit is that we have more white space in some of our international markets. There are still places. There's still many cities in China, for instance, where we don't compete yet. So it's a balance of continuing to fortress in, say, a place like Beijing or Shanghai, where we have pretty could penetration and beginning to understand what new cities we should be going to. But as we go to those cities -- or another great example is India. We're in 288 cities, and we continue to add more and more cities every year. As we go into those new territories, going into it with a fortressing mindset, knowing that don't build 1 store in -- at Main and First or the equivalent thereof, build it with a mindset towards you're going to have 5, 10, 20 stores in that town and put them in the right spots. So it is a bit more of a balance, but it's that same end goal in markets around the world.

Operator

operator
#52

Our next question comes from Dennis [Audio Gap]

Dennis Geiger

analyst
#53

Great. Just wanted to stick with the international maybe and ask about that business and kind of get an update on some of the markets that maybe weren't seeing the same level of operating strength as the U.S. or as other countries in recent quarters. And recognizing that given all the countries we're in, different countries have different challenges. But if you could give us a little bit of a sense of kind of where you're at now in some of those key markets that we've talked about in recent quarters as you've been working with the franchisees on different things, whether it was the value proposition or otherwise. Just curious if we could get an update there on some of those bigger, bigger markets of focus and how that's been going.

Joseph Jordan

executive
#54

Sure. [ Greg ], Joe. So I'll start with the market that I just mentioned that was the heaviest impacted in the world, really, for us, which is India, our largest market outside the U.S. in store count and had significant closures over the last 2 quarters. They just released updated financials today and after being down by more than 1/2 at certain points, in October, they were running at 96% of year ago, which is on same-store sales. So a pretty remarkable turnaround. And I do have to give huge credit to Pratik and the rest of the Jubilant team for leaning in, doing the right thing, closing when it was the right thing to do and opening up as soon as they possibly could to serve their customers and get their employees back to work. So really happy to see that. That was a business that -- at some of our markets, Spain's another good example, where we had really sizable dine-in businesses compared to the U.S. We've seen a shift and a focus towards delivery and carryout. So both delivery -- I mentioned India's back to 96%; carryout's up about 50% over a year ago. Delivery's up about 6%. So they're growing those businesses and as they -- as you all know, they closed about 105 stores but they also plan to open 100 stores in this fiscal year with more of that delivery and takeaway mindset. So that's on -- probably on the side of the biggest headwinds. A great example from maybe tailwinds, both from a market perspective but self-created, would be a market like Japan. So just remarkable results there in that the most recently released results that I'm sure you've all seen from DPE, up 18% in same-store sales, significantly higher as they've grown their store count. And that was a matter of the team in that market, Don and Josh, getting, as you asked, the value right. We were a bit higher priced in that market, and they now have everyday delivery and takeaway offers that are there for their customers to give them great value without having to second-guess, going back to some of the comments Russell made earlier about aggregators, and that's resulted in that sustained great result that we've seen. So those are 2 kind of bookends of the experience. In general, India's recovery is somewhat indicative of what we've seen across the markets that have been hardest hit. We've seen a second wave here in Europe and there are some new restrictions, but our masters are using some of the lessons learned in the first wave and in some cases second wave to keep the stores open and to not see as much of a hit to our business as you saw in our Q3 results.

Richard Allison

executive
#55

And just to add briefly to Joe's comment, we were really fortunate, I think, to enter into 2020 with some very strong and well-capitalized master franchisees. So while some -- as Joe called out Jubilant, they had to deal with a very significant headwind on their business in India. It's such a great business that has performed over so many years and such committed partners at Jubilant that they had the wherewithal to work through this. And we've really leaned in along beside them and the rest of our international partners. A true partnership to get through what has been a trying time in some of these key geographies.

Operator

operator
#56

Our next question comes from James Rutherford with Stephens, Inc.

James Rutherford

analyst
#57

Mine is fairly specific and it's around labor and automation. It looks like wage inflation is going to be a constant headwind, perhaps even incrementally so in coming years. Additionally, your stores are running much higher volumes today. So my questions is whether you all are looking to add automation to the makeline that can widen the value around your business. And if automation specifically from the road map, perhaps you could comment more broadly about future digital innovation priorities on the operation side of your business.

Richard Allison

executive
#58

Maybe, Kelly, why don't you start with that one and talk about some of the innovation that we're -- technology that we're driving to make our stores easier, more efficient to operate? And then Russell, feel free to weigh in with any additional thoughts there as well.

Kelly Garcia

executive
#59

Yes, absolutely. Thank you, James, for the question. We've been investing in making our stores more efficient to operate for years. I noted one most recently released our GPS driver tracker technology that both allows consumers to track the driver from the store to their door, which is a great piece of information for them. But the reality is it gives us a platform update and information that helps drive efficiency in the store. So when drivers return to the store, they no longer have to get out of their vehicles. We can have the product packaged and ready to go. We can start to look at the data that we get from those drivers to optimize other aspects of the delivery over time. And so that's a great example there. And that's in over 90% of our stores now. We're seeing great results being driven by that technology. We've also implemented advanced makeline technology that allows our stores to be more efficient at the timing of when they're making the product. This helps them reduce overall delivery times, which is great for the consumer but also the stores. So 2 great near-term examples of what we're doing and the platforms that are put in place. Probably most excited about the fact that while those platforms add value now, they'll actually become jumping-off points for future innovations that you'll see us be able to implement. We have put quite a bit of focus on optimizing and using advanced machine-learning techniques to provide some advice on scheduling. And then if you look to the future, you've seen us announce partnerships with companies like Nuro, who is an economist vehicle manufacturer, and we were piloting with them up until COVID, March this year. So we've hit a bit of a delay, but you'll see us focus on that into 2021 and that's something that, both on the short term we're looking at advantages but really a sustained automation on the long run.

Russell Weiner

executive
#60

I think all I'll add is maybe back to a question that was asked to Art earlier. I think this is all indicative of our approach to innovation. A lot of times, people talk about innovation then they think about new products. New products is certainly one of them and we're really proud of the performance of our new products this year. But if you think about the evolution of Domino's, right? New product's certainly there. But then we switched to technology. It was still a blend of new products but the consumer technology was an innovation that we not only delivered new ordering platforms but in television advertising. Consumer-ordering technology drove pizza sales. Well, if you look now at kind of Chapter 3, we've kind of developed a third gateway of innovation, which is innovation in store-level technology. The stuff that Kelly just talked about. And the store technology there, it has 2 elements that make us strong. The first is it makes the stores more efficient, whether it's GPS or [ shoulder surfing ] and some of the other stuff that Kelly's talked about. But what Art and the team have been able to do is make consumer stories around these. And so these same technologies that make our stores so much more efficient, when consumers see the advertising for it, they look at it and they say, "Wow! This is really a company that cares about its service for me." And so we really have 3 different ways of innovating, and it just continues to help the model.

Richard Allison

executive
#61

And then James, just the last thing I would add to that is that our strategy around fortressing really is a key component of how we address rising labor costs as well. One is -- we talked about earlier, really allows us to build that carryout business, which, while the ticket is lower on carryout, the cost to serve is significantly lower. And then with delivery, the economics really are all around how many deliveries per driver per hour we can execute and shrinking the radius of those delivery zones, honestly, is something that we have to do. As you look at labor costs that go to $10 and $12 and $15 an hour, taking $20 worth of food 9 minutes away from a store becomes economically very challenging. So those are the areas that we're really focused on. And your question you asked about the makeline, gosh, that's probably the last place that we want to touch if to have anything other than a human being's hands stretching that pizza. Because we -- we just see that as so core to the product quality and the value proposition that we bring is the fact that we hand-make that pizza to order. And so we're obsessed around everything else around that. How do we get the order to the makeline faster? Get the product to the oven faster? Get it to the consumer faster and more efficient? But I tell you, I still love the fact that we can put our hand on our heart and say that we hand-make every pizza for you every time you order.

Stuart Levy

executive
#62

Ritch, one other thing I'd add to that just to come upstream a bit and I'll go back to my old stomping grounds is supply chain. We've done quite a bit with technology, innovation and automation in the supply chain as well as another big piece of our business as a big labor component, not just trying to drive cost out but be more consistent, be safer. And we've tried to utilize technology and automation to continue to improve those processes. And when you look at the newer centers that we've built and some of the retrofitting we've done in some of the older centers, it's incorporating more technology, more automation to try and improve the processes there.

Richard Allison

executive
#63

Great points, Stu. And we actually open -- we'll open another beautiful supply chain center down in Katy, Texas. We'll open next month with the technology that -- that Stu described in automation.

Operator

operator
#64

Our next question comes from Peter Saleh with BTIG.

Peter Saleh

analyst
#65

Great. I just want to come back to competitive dynamics in the U.S. Currently during the pandemic and lockdown, the chains -- the larger chains gained a significant amount of share. But what's unclear is really what's going on with independents and really more specifically, some of the smaller regional chains. Do you think you took a lot of share from those independents and regional chains or where do you exactly think that much more share gains have come from this year?

Richard Allison

executive
#66

Art or Russell, you want to take that? Art.

Arthur D'Elia

executive
#67

I can start and then Russell can chime in. So as Ritch mentioned before, pizza category really fragmented in the U.S. And there is a lot of independents and certainly they've been hit hard by the pandemic, but there was absolutely a trend towards consolidation before the pandemic. And I think one of the things that matters in this business is scale. Certainly in my area, it creates marketing resources that really allows you to drive share voice with consumers and engage consumers. And that has given us an advantage historically and certainly it has been an advantage during this crisis. So I think there will continue to be consolidation in the industry. And we're well positioned, I think, with the scale of our marketing resources, with the fortressing that we talked about before in getting more proximity to consumers that help not only our delivery business but our carryout business. And both of those things are to allow us to gain share going forward.

Russell Weiner

executive
#68

And any well I'd add to that is -- your question was about pizza. I would actually think about the broader restaurant category. So sit-down, for example, is hurting right now, whether it's a pizza place or another kind of restaurant. And when you think about where Domino's is strong, one example I'll give you is carryout. Interestingly enough, we had as many of our new carryout users from outside of pizza than we do pizza. And so I just think it's really important to understand that, that [ annex ] between Domino's -- within Domino's and our growth, however recently over the years, is not just about, as Ritch said, making one out of every 5 pizzas sold become 2 out of every 5, but also going outside of the category. And that's another dynamic you can see at play here during the pandemic is folks want delivery and Domino's delivers more than just pizza occasions right now.

Operator

operator
#69

Our next question is from Jared Garber with Goldman Sachs.

Jared Garber

analyst
#70

I wanted to jump back to some commentary that Stu said about supply chains planners and dive in there. You think about growing the business. Going forward, how many more of those supercenters do you guys anticipate we could see over the next maybe 5, 5 years or so? And what are the margin implications of adding those more efficient centers across the business?

Richard Allison

executive
#71

Stu, why don't you take that one?

Stuart Levy

executive
#72

Thank you. I guess there's a couple ways to answer this. We hope we have to add a whole bunch of them, right, because that just means that our business is growing at a rate where we need to stay out ahead of capacity. Right now, we're in a good spot where we've been consistently reinvesting in the supply chain and in doing so, to stay out ahead of capacity growth even with the uptick from COVID. Obviously we'd get a lot of benefit from having opened South Carolina and opened Texas. In terms of kind of the -- I'm not sure the reference to supercenter whether you're talking about the size or the technology. All of our centers that we build moving forward will be more advanced technologically than any of the older ones because that's just evolving with the times. In terms of really large centers, or centers that are kind of larger than typical centers for us, truthfully, it just depends on the geography and the needs, right? You could see it potentially in really large metro areas or the ones that are serving really large metro areas. But again, it's just an economic decision of whether -- how far ahead of the capacity need do you want to build. And certainly there's a margin implication overall. I mean it's just a -- it's really just a question of you're adding capacity and until that capacity is fully used, you're not getting the full operating leverage of it, right? And once it's fully utilized, you got to go build something else. But overall, it's -- economically it still benefits us, right? We need it for the additional capacity. And generally speaking, we're getting ourselves even closer to our customer base, so if you think about New Jersey when we built that, we were serving the New York metropolitan area out of a combination of our existing centers in Connecticut and Maryland. So yes, you add the capital and you add the capacity in New Jersey, but you're a whole lot closer to your customer, which makes it a lot easier to serve at a lower cost model.

Richard Allison

executive
#73

We'll -- as Stu said, we'll continue to add capacity to stay out in front. Yet we had a lot of catching up to do. I think the first earnings call I did for those of you that were around back in '18, I came out on the first call and told you that we were going to have to increase our capital commitment in 2018, really to catch up with supply chain capacity. And since then, we opened our center in '18 in Edison, New Jersey, and then this year we've got effectively 3 lines that we will have open: a center in Columbia, South Carolina in the first half of the year; we commissioned a new Thin Crust line co-located with our New Jersey supply chain center. We did that here in the second half of 2020. And then as I mentioned earlier, next month we'll open in Katy, Texas. So I don't anticipate us opening 3 lines in 1 year coming up soon, but I'm absolutely anticipating us continuing to build centers to support our franchisees. And the great thing there is we are really aligned with our franchisees on this. As all of you know, we share the profits 50-50 out of that supply chain business with them.

Stuart Levy

executive
#74

To get ahead of Ritch's comment earlier about we're working with a peer group with as many new store builds this weekend. We'd be more than happy to have to be approving additional capital investment in supply chain because that just means we're continuing to grow at a rapid rate.

Operator

operator
#75

Our next question comes from Sara Senatore with Bernstein.

Sara Senatore

analyst
#76

I wanted to ask a question I think somewhat related to what Russ said about -- I think it was Russ who said it. It was about the broader competition. And I guess when I think about Domino's and the carryout business, ease of access and then value, particular kind of quantity value or feeding of families is really the stock in trade. But what we've seen from some other competitors, I think, is a pivot to better access, mostly through drive-through, for example, as well as bundled value or family meals. So I guess to the extent that prior to the pandemic, it was your carryout business that was really driving this, is there any risk that some of your competitors have also taken the opportunity outside of pizza to really compete more aggressively on the core equities that you have, whether it's digital or convenience and speed of access or again, bundled value? Or are you seeing anything that makes you think that there's a threat there?

Richard Allison

executive
#77

No. [indiscernible] I forget exactly how the quote goes, but it's flattering when you see people doing a lot of the things that come out of your own playbook. I think our stuff is a little bit more nuanced. For example, you talked about bundled deals. Bundled deals are pretty restrictive in that you're telling a customer, "This is what you need to buy in order to get this deal." With our mix and match, which has now also been kind of brought with our $7.99 deal where we've got different crust types, chicken, we let people kind of self-bundle. And so it's one of the things that I -- I'm really proud of in the way we set up our offer dynamics is we let a customer maximize their own value by what they want to put together versus us telling them what to put together. And so I still think there are some of those nuances there.

Russell Weiner

executive
#78

And Sara, as I mentioned earlier, I think broadly across the industry, these 2 shifts, 1, to digital as the preferred method of ordering and 2, to off-prem as the method of consumption, I think those are going to continue to shape the QSR business for some time to come. And not surprising to any of us that you've seen a lot of other players, not just in pizza, make a lot of investment in digital ordering. And also, as I'm out there and talking to folks, I hear a lot about how store formats are changing going forward as well. I think you're going to see smaller dining rooms and more drive-through lanes in a lot of QSR players to address that trend. For us, we can't go back and retrofit all of our units with drive-throughs. We do have -- we do have pickup windows in hundreds of our stores but that's really where this Carside Delivery comes in as well is we believe we can actually bring you a more differentiated experience and a faster experience with Carside than you can get by going through a burger or a Mexican or a chicken chain drive-through lane.

Operator

operator
#79

Our next question comes from John Ivankoe with JPMorgan.

John Ivankoe

analyst
#80

The questions, I guess if I just go in only to have one, is on PULSE 2.0 just to give us kind of an overview of what the progress is there, whether Kevin's departure influences maybe what you'll do with PULSE 2.0. And if you could kind of talk about kind of the functionality that, that may give you in terms of maybe something that we could evolve into PULSE 2.0 or if there's actually going to be a switch from the old system to the new system in terms of various benefits that we may expect?

Richard Allison

executive
#81

Kelly?

Kelly Garcia

executive
#82

Yes. Thanks, John. Appreciate the question. Nothing changes from Kevin's departure other than me taking over and our commitment in moving to PULSE 2.0. I'm thrilled with progress the team has made. I had the opportunity to run PULSE for many years and set that strategy forward. So we're still fully committed and migrating from the current iteration to the next iteration of PULSE. And with any new technology that we roll out, the way that we're engineering it and the flexibility that it will provide, not just with upgraded user interfaces that are going to drive more efficiencies into the stores in the way that they operate, but also in the way that we can integrate, innovate on top of it. I'm not going to go into the sort of exactly we're going to do that, but we're really excited about it. We should be seeing more of that next year.

Operator

operator
#83

Our next question comes from Chris O'Cull with Stifel.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#84

Kelly, can you update the company's efforts to use the [ DON ] system to receive inbounds store orders, including maybe the initiative's economic feasibility for free franchisees? And whether a greater mix of digital orders during the pandemic has really impacted the rollout planned for that system?

Kelly Garcia

executive
#85

Yes, absolutely. As you all know, we've invested in voice and natural language technology for some time and we're still very bullish on that technology as it relates to taking orders, specifically. We're well positioned to take advantage of that as consumers and start to adopt that more, whether it be with Amazon Alexa or chatbots. I think that's great. That's the same technology that we took and have them piloting in our stores to try and take phone orders. And we've seen some good progress on that front. And as usual, we're always evaluating that to figure out if that is the best direction to go. I'd say with what we're seeing with COVID and driving digital sales to now over 75% that the size of the prize starts to shrink there and you can see sort of line of sight of more and more people shifting, shifting to digital. There's really just the overall business case of that, the complexities of implementing that into the stores so the phone system, whether it be third-party telecom cost and everything else that involved in a sophisticated technology. We just haven't found the perfect sort of business case that makes it make sense for us or our stores to roll that out yet holistically. So we're concluding yet another iteration of that pilot here in the next month. And as we always do, we're going to step back and look at where we are in the economics and the advantages to our store and sort of compare that against the other investments that we can make and make a decision on which way to go. But we've made good progress and we have more data to make yet another decision on our path forward.

Operator

operator
#86

Our next question comes from Gregory Francfort with Bank of America.

Gregory Francfort

analyst
#87

I had a follow-up just for Joe. Can you talk a little bit about how the U.S. and International are going to work together a little bit more? And whether or not greater collaboration on technology is important on that front? My sense is that you guys have done a pretty good job of getting the International franchisees to buy into your vision on the POS system, but maybe not on the digital order system. Do you think you're closer to getting them to convert than you were before? And what is driving that, if so?

Joseph Jordan

executive
#88

So to start with, with how we're going to be working more closely together, it goes back to the CEO structure that Richard's put in place that Russell is now leading, where we have ultimately the same leaders with global responsibilities. So as you think -- you look at Kelly and Art on the call, they've got marketing and technology, not just for the U.S., but for all our markets around the world. So that leadership and that linkage at the leadership level is a key part of how we'll be sharing more aggressively going forward. Specifically, as it relates to technology, the POS, as you mentioned, we are very much there. I do see increasing eagerness, openness from our masters, particularly as we face new technology, our new competitors with different technologies out there, and we have aggregators, obviously, outside the U.S. as well, who have deeper pocketbooks than some of our QSR competition in those markets. So it doesn't make sense for us to be investing the same money on the same technology in multiple markets when it's essentially doing the same thing. Our masters understand that. We understand that. So it's starting to get close already, and I think that's only going to happen more so as we go forward.

Operator

operator
#89

Our next question comes from Andrew Charles with Cowen & Company.

Andrew Charles

analyst
#90

I had another philosophical question kind of for Russell. It's 2 parts, just around virtual kitchens. Are you seeing more of these on a competitive front? And how do you see this industry dynamic? It's obviously quite new and a result of COVID. How do you see this evolving over the next 2 to 3 years?

Russell Weiner

executive
#91

Yes. Funny, a lot -- I get that question a lot on virtual kitchen, the ghost kitchen, cloud kitchens and I'm really amazed on our history -- because I think we were the original cloud kitchen, right? We were yet real estate at kind of the cheapest place because it doesn't matter. Who's going to deliver it? Now over time, obviously we've discovered this really incremental carryout business. But we've got thousands of stores in that same real estate. And even as we continue to grow, we've recognized they maximize our business. And that's part of why the P&LS are so good at the store level. We don't always have to be on the Main and Main or it's just at Main and First before, right? And so being that we've been there the whole time, and I think really, no one does it better than us, I'm not as concerned, particularly because also we're developed. And so when I hear a lot about the virtual kitchens or the cloud kitchens, they could maybe make sense for a city where there's a lot of geography together. So you could see there being a central -- maybe a central kitchen. Not only is Domino's developed in urban areas, but in second city and rural areas, we're actually even more developed, more of our line as they are. And I don't think that concept works. So if you talk about scale, scale is that you need to go national, scale that you need to do national advertising, all that kind of stuff, I take the Domino's model, which, again, the original cloud kitchen, which has shown the ability to scale nationally in all different kinds of environments.

Richard Allison

executive
#92

I think -- Andrew, I was just going to add, Andrew, just briefly to Russell's comments there. I think he hit the nail on the head. With these kitchens, you've got to be close to the customer to make delivery work. You think about it, the further you get away from the kitchen, your costs go up and your quality goes down. So if you're going to have ghost kitchens in L.A., you need 300 of them. We look at the L.A. DMA, we've got 300 roughly Domino's out there. And I think what's going to be really interesting to see how these ghost or virtual kitchens evolve is how do they manage that? Sure it makes sense for -- to cut down the investment in the asset, but can they get enough of them out there close enough to the customer to deliver on the quality and the profitability parts of the equation?

Russell Weiner

executive
#93

Yes. Actually, [indiscernible] I build or build up mine, if that's possible. One of the other things that I think is interesting, and you see this in the great advertising work that Art's in around our latest innovations at Cheeseburger and the Chicken Taco Pizza. Aside from just how close you are to a customer, it's also about how does the food deliver. And so if you saw those ads, what we talked about is not only the fact that we have a Cheeseburger and a Chicken Taco Pizza. Yes, they're nice innovation, they're doing well from a -- in our specialty portfolio, they're the biggest sellers right now. But if you looked at the way they advertised it, it was advertised on, gee, if you like these things, if you like a cheeseburger or if you like a taco, go eat them at a restaurant. But if you're going to get them delivered to your house, the best way to get it delivered from a quality perspective is on a pizza. Pizza was made to be delivered, and we feel like Domino's was made to deliver it.

Andrew Charles

analyst
#94

Sure. That's helpful. Maybe just more clear. I was talking about virtual brands like the ones that you see operating out of full-service kitchens that are a bit more dormant right now because the decline in traffic those brands are seeing. So they're using these virtual brands to help make up some of that shortfall.

Richard Allison

executive
#95

Sure, Russell. Go ahead.

Russell Weiner

executive
#96

I mean this stuff is still in its infancy. We're certainly looking at it all the time. But I think if you're asking kind of any forward-looking prognostications, your guess is as good as mine. This stuff is still pretty much in its early stage.

Richard Allison

executive
#97

I think one of the things, Andrew, any time a restaurant brand launches another brand, be it virtual or an on-premise brand, it takes resources to build that brand. And I think we are -- I talked about focused earlier. Art has a very substantial war chest at his disposal to grow the Domino's Pizza brand. And so the thought of splitting off a second brand as many restaurants or some restaurants that had to do is just not something that is of interest to us right now.

Operator

operator
#98

Our next question comes from Peter Saleh with BTIG.

Peter Saleh

analyst
#99

Great. I just wanted to ask about the real estate opportunity, particularly here in the U.S., maybe even internationally post COVID. Are -- do you feel like your franchisees are already starting to see any signs of better real estate opportunities in terms of being a better real estate sites, lower rents, higher allowances, anything of that nature that may accelerate the unit development going forward?

Richard Allison

executive
#100

Russell, you want to take that one from a U.S. development perspective?

Russell Weiner

executive
#101

Obviously, things take time. So if you're looking at some of the stuff that's been going on in this industry and if you're wondering, hey, is more real estate opened up, it certainly is, but there's still a longer tail on that. And the great thing is we work not only with realtors around the country, but through our modeling to make sure when a site is open, we are there. And we kind of know where we want to go beforehand because of all that modeling. Certainly, we're possible, and we've actually done this with our team U.S.A. portfolio, but we can go in and renegotiate a contract because we know we have leverage. We will and we have, and we're encouraging our franchisees to do that.

Richard Allison

executive
#102

One of the interesting things too, Pete, coming out of this is landlords appreciate the businesses that have continued to pay rent continuously through this pandemic. And so if anything, our -- the desirability of Domino's as a tenant, number one, we close very few stores in the U.S., as you know, fewer than 100 over the last 5 years, but also, we've been able to continuously pay our rent through this pandemic, which makes a difference as well. Joe, I don't know if there are any highlights you want to -- would like to bring from any of our international markets in terms of real estate opportunity that our master franchisees may be pursuing.

Joseph Jordan

executive
#103

There are some opportunities. There are some increased closures in several markets. More so, the activity at this point has been around rent renegotiations. In some of the markets, we've had some pretty good success on that front. We frankly expected to see a bit more on the openings and the ability for new locations. But particularly in places like Europe here, there's been enough government support at least through to this point that most of those small restaurants are still viable. They're still paying their rents or they're getting the rent subsidies via the government. So most of the activity has been more on negotiation versus new spots opening up.

Richard Allison

executive
#104

And one thing I'd just add to temper a little bit when you think about the renegotiation, there is an element of kind of the economic theory and then the reality, which is if you're a landlord, and you've got a small strip mall and you've got 4 different businesses happening there and 2 of them go out of business, while the other 2 might be in a strong negotiating perspective, as a landlord, you're trying to keep as much revenue as you can possibly get to offset the losses that you just got. So in the near term, it's not as easy in all cases to just go to a landlord and say, "Hey, we want to renegotiate a better and more attractive lease for us because they're actually trying to figure out how to make up the lost revenue from their other units on you." And it's a near-term dynamic, and it doesn't make sense from a textbook economics perspective. And over time, that probably evolves. But in the middle of the panic of COVID, folks weren't as receptive to necessarily opening up a renegotiation on a lease as one might expect.

Operator

operator
#105

Our next question comes from Todd Brooks with CL King & Associates.

Todd Brooks

analyst
#106

Question for Art. And just looking at the loyalty base, $25 million last we heard likely grown across the pandemic, I think $80 million just in your customer database in general. Can you talk about the progression of your capabilities from a one-to-one or personalized marketing standpoint, if you look back maybe to '19, where you were and where you think you'll be by 2021 as far as capabilities at that level of customer contact?

Arthur D'Elia

executive
#107

Yes. Pete (sic) [ Todd ], thanks for the question. Certainly, we've been really focused on continuing to build what we refer to as our UCD database, our universal customer database. And that allows us to do a lot of precision marketing. It's one of the things that I've enjoyed the most and coming from consumer packaged goods to the restaurant business, having that direct access to customer data and not having to share it allows us to do things that you can't do in most industries. And we continue to focus on through a loyalty program and migrating people to our digital ordering platforms to build that customer database and leverage it. And we spend a lot of time focusing on really our own media channels to be able to segment those customers and drive more targeted messages to them. So have a big e-mail database, a big push database and a big SMS database. And we're continuing to get more and more sophisticated in our abilities to really tailor messages to those consumers. So if we know you typically order from us on a Wednesday night and you're a pan customer, we can now serve you up a very targeted message to increase our chances of converting you. In addition to that, really focused on driving frequency. We call them bounce back offers, similar play that's been running consumer packaged goods for years when you check out of the supermarket and you get that Catalina coupon on the back of your receipt. We do that digitally at Domino's. And what we're able to do is segment consumers based on their typical purchase frequency. So we have a high degree of certainty that we're going to get an incremental purchase out of them and serve them up with a really attractive offer to be able to drive that incremental purchase. So just a couple of examples of ways where we can continue to get smarter and smarter and more and more precise about targeting those consumers. And we're starting to do it at scale. That's the biggest piece of this is, is lot of advertisers and marketers can do precision marketing, but it's not at scale. And when it's not at scale, it doesn't move the needle, We're able to do it at scale now and really start to drive some big impacts on our business.

Operator

operator
#108

Our next question comes from Chris O'Cull with Stifel.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#109

Russell, it sounds like the U.S. pizza category has seen check and transaction growth contribute to the comp this year. It seems like almost equally. I'm trying to understand how the category might pivot promotionally once we have a vaccine. Do you believe further check growth is possible once consumer behavior starts to normalize? Or will comp growth really need to be driven by transactions, you think?

Russell Weiner

executive
#110

I mean we've always been a transaction-focused company. In fact, if you look back to prior to 2009 to just a couple of years ago, we pretty much doubled the number of customers that has come through Domino's. Certainly a lot of the -- and actually, a lot of growth during the pandemic has been order count. That said, on the check side, there's been the more traditional inflationary growth but also people bundling together. We'll see how sticky that is. I think part of what Art talked about before is the amount of learning we have now about customers' desires, whether or not behavior goes back to where it was before, we know propensities. And I think that will make us smarter moving forward.

Operator

operator
#111

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Ritch Allison for closing remarks.

Richard Allison

executive
#112

Thank you. And listen, thanks once again to all of you for taking the time to join us today. I hope you found the discussion to be useful, and I hope you enjoyed the opportunity to hear from and spend some time with our terrific senior leaders in the business. And while 2020 has certainly been one heck of a year, I can tell you here in closing just as I started, I'm incredibly proud of how the Domino's Pizza brand and our teams and our franchisees have responded to this pandemic. And I look forward and I can promise you the rest of our senior leadership team does as well. We look forward with incredible optimism into 2021 and beyond as we will look to build on the amazing foundation that we have in this brand. We're going to look forward to spending more time with you in the new year as well. And until then, I want to wish each and every one of you happy and a healthy holiday season. I know that I certainly have a lot to be thankful for, and I'm sure that all of you do as well. We look forward to talking with you again soon. Goodbye.

Operator

operator
#113

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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