Dynatrace, Inc. (DT) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 11, 2021

New York Stock Exchange US Information Technology Software conference_presentation 27 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

David Hynes

analyst
#1

Good morning, everybody. I'm DJ Hynes, I'm Canaccord's lead software analyst. Thanks very much for tuning into the Canaccord conference. This is the 41st year that we're doing this. So very much appreciate your support. Delighted to have Dynatrace here with us this morning. We have CEO, John Van Siclen. For those who were on our last session, we just -- we were speaking with LogicMonitor. So it's a bit of a natural transition to kind of stick in that observability world. So super excited to have John here. And John, thank you, and we appreciate the support.

John Van Siclen

executive
#2

No. Great to be here, DJ.

David Hynes

analyst
#3

So I'm going to assume that most folks tuning in are familiar with the business, the problem that you're solving. So instead of the kind of what do you do intro, maybe we can just talk about Q2, some of the key trends that you saw there and any highlights that you'd want to call out for investors.

John Van Siclen

executive
#4

Sure. So it's been a couple of years since we IPO-ed. And we've doubled the customer base, doubled the ARR pretty close anyway, doubled the ARR, which is our sort of leading growth metric and sort of been able to create some value for shareholders along the way. And Q2 was just another strong quarter. We're growing well mid-30s kind of growth rate. And we're doing it because digital transformation is really a journey, not an event. It did get a little tailwind because of the pandemic, which sent everyone scrambling to realizing that agility, new revenue streams, risk mitigation to business, et cetera, was paramount. And the way to do that was to lean on applications, and applications happen to run on dynamic multiclouds today. Certainly for the -- for those forward-thinking digital transformers. And so with that kind of a tailwind, we have a fantastic platform for those digital transformation projects. To get the visibility, as you know, that's a key part of the observability program. But for us, it's more than that. It's also the unique automation and AI capabilities that we bring to bear and that continues to resonate with customers. They're trying to do more with less. They're trying to move faster, and they're trying to do it at lower risk. And no question that automation and AI can play a big role in it, and we happen to lead in sort of that combination of observability and AIOps.

David Hynes

analyst
#5

Yes. Yes. It's a perfect intro. It's funny. Like I was prepping questions before we got into this, and one of them that was on the list was around competitive dynamics. And it's funny. Like I feel like the narrative with investors has shifted a little bit. Like it used to be, like, oh my God, the space is so competitive, but I feel like folks are starting to figure out where Dynatrace fits in the market, right? And obviously, it's at the high end with the enterprise customers. I'm curious, as you look at who else is out there, like who's able to compete in enterprise? What's required in that -- at that end of the market? And why is Dynatrace winning?

John Van Siclen

executive
#6

Yes. A couple of years ago, it felt like it was a little more competitive than it is today, actually. And one of the big reasons for that is that dynamic multiclouds are the platform of choice, and you can't just throw old tooling at it any longer. So we see less of the Cisco AppDynamics, New Relics. We rarely run into a Datadog or a Splunk out there. So it is a massive market. But I think a lot of it is that the problems that we solve for digital transformers, I mean, they have multigenerational technologies. They are quite advanced with cloud, but they connect it back into sort of a hybrid back end, and we're just uniquely positioned for it. The other thing with the digital transformers, the billion-dollar-plus companies that we target is that they have multiple apps, multiple lines of business. It's a complex environment. And we shine the greater the complexity. Because that's what we built the automation and AI for, was for those environments that just overwhelming amounts of data, variety, velocity, the amount of change, et cetera. So in those more complex environments, our combination of capabilities really shine.

David Hynes

analyst
#7

Yes. Yes. I want to talk about new customer lands and just -- it seems like they're getting more strategic upfront. And I've picked up a couple of comments from you guys that I found interesting over the years, which is in the past, customers used to buy Dynatrace for automated instrumentation. But now it's all about the AI, right, and giving answers, not signals, right? And then the second, there's been this shift towards observability versus kind of the landing zone of APM, right? Can you just talk about both of those and what it means for your business?

John Van Siclen

executive
#8

Yes. So I think that the bigger one is actually the latter, which is a shift and a realization that clouds are different. You need multiple kinds of data to understand them. And because they're very complex, it has to be real time, all the time, et cetera. And so observability, which is a combination of things that used to be separate tools or tooling, logs, the metrics, the traces, user experience, other kinds of telemetry, they were brought together in little pieces because the old data center world thought that way and the classic ITSM strategies define them that way. But as more people have figured out the cloud really is different and you need to have that combination of the pieces in order to really understand what's going on, it's left many sort of competitors behind, your would-be competitors behind. So this observability movement is sort of a core piece. And we see now 3 out of 5 engagements being observability centric as opposed to maybe APM or some kind of metrics or log or whatever. And that puts us in a really good place because we reinvented our platform 6, 7 years ago with that realization sort of in mind. And so that's a key characteristic out there. And what that's allowing us to do now is land with multiple modules more often. The size of our landing zone isn't any larger. It's a nice zone. It's a $100,000 kind of land zone, which makes sense for billion-dollar companies. But we're also expanding faster. And that's because you have the app piece, the infrastructure piece, the log piece and often, the user experience piece all brought together on that initial land purchase. So they're buying a platform, a concept, not buying a piece and then I'll buy another piece and another piece, if that makes sense.

David Hynes

analyst
#9

Yes. It makes perfect sense. So the opportunity is clearly there. You're seeing it manifest in the market. Let's talk about what you're doing to kind of capitalize on that opportunity. We'll talk about the product in a second, but I want to talk about kind of go-to-market first. So you've committed to kind of a 30 -- I think 25% to 30% increase in sales capacity this year. So 2 questions there. Like a, just confidence in your ability to get there, right? It's a tight labor market. And then b -- and you and I have talked about this, like if you're so well positioned, why not hire more? I'd love to get your thoughts on both of those.

John Van Siclen

executive
#10

Sure, sure. Well, we do see a great opportunity ahead. And it really is as fast as we can go without breaking is how we're going. 2 years ago, we were talking about growing 20%. Last year, we grew 25 -- the sales organization 25%. And this year, we're up to 30%, and we're doing great with hiring, onboarding and maturing that sales organization at that rate. And so we're thrilled with that, but it takes a lot of planning. You have to have a lot of sales infrastructure and continue to stay 6 to 12 months ahead on that in order to be able to bring reps in and not just in and out, but actually in and create additional capacity for the business. So anyway, that's been going extremely well. We still have plenty of room to increase our coverage geographically, deeper into markets, deeper with customers and prospective accounts and so on. So we'll continue at this pace or maybe even a little faster pace over time. But we'll do it in a methodical way where we know we're adding real capacity, where we're actually seeing the results, the return on investment and not just creating a spinning door of people in and out.

David Hynes

analyst
#11

Yes. Yes. Let's maybe transition to some of the partners that amplify your direct sales reach, right? So you guys work with the SIs, a newer and kind of growing effort with the hyperscalers. Just maybe talk about what those partners do for the business and, I guess, if there's anything that Dynatrace can do to help maybe better enable those partners.

John Van Siclen

executive
#12

Sure. Well, Partner Program is a key part of our strategy. We've actually had the program for years and years now, but it was focused more on sort of a reseller group as opposed to really cloud SIs that are driving sort of the ecosystem integration, the general contractors of, "I need a little AWS. I need a little Azure. I need a little observability. I need some IT management systems like a ServiceNow or whatever," and they're snapping all these pieces together. So those are the kind of players that we talk about when we talk about cloud system integrators. And we're doing extremely well with it. 45%, now a little bit more is influenced through these folks. So they may be working on an AWS project. We get in there, and we team together to provide a better solution for that customer or what have you, any combination thereof. So that's going extremely well, and no reason not to think we can continue to scale that up. We've been investing in this team at the same rate or faster than the direct sales team, okay, because we see it as a great long-term sort of productivity enhancer to our sales program. The hyperscalers are a little bit newer for us. We've always had great tech relationships with them, but the go-to-market relationship has been a little like how do we really get some leverage. And with the marketplaces and especially the private offers and the hyperscalers' interest in aggregating corporate spend so that they can retire or have a Dynatrace product to actually flow through, it relieves sort of the point total so that the customers might have that they'd be committed to and they also pay their sellers and retire quota. That kind of motion now is accelerating sales cycles to enough. It could be several weeks, it could be a couple of months. But in our kind of a world, if you can give the sales organization another 20% of their time back because we're not spending it in procurement and paperwork cycles, it's a significant tailwind. So we're excited about it. It's sort of early days, but the year-over-year impact is clear. So again, more [indiscernible] that as well.

David Hynes

analyst
#13

Yes. Last one on the go-to-market motion. It was just around kind of expand dynamics. And I guess there's 2 questions there, which is like the catalyst to expand, is it customer led or Dynatrace kind of sales driven, which I guess is kind of like a pull versus push question, right? And then the second part would just be, is the bigger driver increasing coverage? Or is it new modules, right? And how has that maybe evolved over time?

John Van Siclen

executive
#14

Yes. No, it's a great question. I'm sure it's a little bit of both, right? If you have a sales organization, they're always looking for the next opportunity, but the product has to taste it. Whatever you buy first, if we -- if it didn't taste good, we couldn't do a land and expand model the way we do. I find it's extremely predictable. I also find that it eliminates shelfware because we're both in it together to continue to expand. And like I said, if it tastes good and it's -- and we're solving problems and challenges, product works better than advertised, then the cross-sell and the upsell comes very naturally. The product itself is actually quite frictionless in sort of the ability to both cross-sell as well as upsell. So again, it really is how does that land taste when customers get it. And you can tell from the numbers that it actually tastes pretty darn good. ARR has maintained 120% plus now for 2 years, longer since before we were public. And we're now out to a little over 40% of our customers using 3-plus modules, which is pretty significant. I mean that's a 400 to 500 additional customers last year moving from 1 or 2 to 3 plus. And we know that the 3-plus customers are driving almost $500,000 in ARR. So the more we push 3-plus modules, the faster the ARR and net expansion continues to grow. And so far, so good, really have expanded the business beyond sort of that application landing zone to a much wider footprint platform play over the last 2 years, and I think the numbers show it.

David Hynes

analyst
#15

Yes. Yes. No, that makes sense. I should have said upfront, just for folks who are tuned in -- I can see there's a whole bunch of folks listening. Like if there are questions in the audience, please send them in. I want to try and keep this as interactive as possible. I'll work your questions in. I have a few more, but if there's stuff that folks want to ask, this is geared for you guys. So let's transition to the product side of things, John. So maybe just talk about kind of where your R&D efforts are most focused today. And maybe this dovetails into a conversation around app security, your infrastructure log product modules. Just talk a little bit about the problems you're solving with those. And then maybe with security, like why it makes sense for Dynatrace to own that versus a pure-play security vendor.

John Van Siclen

executive
#16

Yes. So that's a couple of different pieces there. So let me see what I can do with that one. So first of all, we think about our offering in really 3 different pieces. There's a platform piece. And the platform runs underneath the modules. It provides the AI. It provides the analytics platform. It provides the scale, the robustness, et cetera, underneath. And that has a good chunk of R&D on it because it's the core platform elements that drive a lot of the differentiation because every module gets the benefit of all those platform capabilities. Then we have the module teams themselves, okay, whether it's the applications, whether it's infrastructure logs, whether it's digital experience, business analytics, we now have cloud automation and secure. So there's 6 monetizable modules that sit on top of that platform. So those are sort of 2 key investment areas, of course. I've been around long enough to know never take your eye off your core business. So we have as many people on the application areas, we've always had and would beef up each of the other ones along the way. I think the second largest is the infra and log now and so on. The third piece is what you don't see, it's about 1/3 of our R&D are working on the things that are next. One of the characteristics of this market, and I think a number of investors have witnessed this, is it changes fast. And if you're not thinking about what's next and anticipating where the puck is going, you can be left behind. And some people have been left behind because they start believing their sort of storyline and not thinking about the next step. And so we built a company around always anticipating the next step. And so that's why that kind of investment model works well for us. If I go into maybe a couple of the newer modules for us, and maybe I'll just touch on both the cloud automation and the security ones. I know everybody sort of like gets focused on security, but there's a really interesting one here with cloud automation, which is the idea of autonomous cloud. Today, we have dozens, if not hundreds, of people worrying about how to manage that cloud, how to tune it, how to enhance it, how to troubleshoot it, how to assure it's working, can I even -- can I ever get to proactiveness where am I always going to be reacting to challenges, et cetera. And we believe that automation is the key. That does not -- little automations. I mean it's serious, self-healing, sort of take over rent book, turn it into software kind of approach, and we're advancing those technologies. Obviously, you can do it. Google does it. Netflix does it. We do it on our platform, but it's hard to do, especially when it's a very complex environment like what the digital transformers live in. So that's a really interesting area for us and one that we made some great advances and with the module continue to advance down that track. On the security module, our approach has been to, again, anticipate where the market's headed. And with that, cloud application security, the world of dynamic multicloud applications, cloud-native applications is changing what you can and can't do in security. It's very hard to ring-fence these applications. So you're going to have to figure out how to have the applications be smart enough to understand when they're under attack, what to do about it, et cetera. And so that's been our approach. We're uniquely positioned for it because of our instrumentation and sort of the observability, the depth and breadth of data we deal with real time, all the time in production. And so that's really been our angle of attack there. It looks like we're in a really good spot. It's never -- it's a greenfield space that we've sort of targeted ourselves into. The production run time, cloud security space, vulnerability detection space, we'll continue to add to that initial capability, but again, so far, so good, very promising. And again, I think it just makes a statement that this is a lot bigger than some APM platform. This is truly a broad observability and security play.

David Hynes

analyst
#17

Yes. Yes. And it just speaks to how early days the opportunity still is. I want to end with a couple on the numbers, and we won't go too deep, we'll leave that to Kevin. But you and I should be able to manage. One that came in from the audience was just around kind of the impact of the upgrade cycle from legacy Dynatrace to new Dynatrace. And with that finishing now or lapsing, just speak to kind of confidence levels and sustainability of ARR growth without that tailwind being there.

John Van Siclen

executive
#18

That tailwind was gone well over a year ago, okay? So that's sort of old news. And there hasn't been a tailwind there for, like I said, about 15 months, all right? So you put that one over here. One of the things, though, that's important to understand about our transition of -- from old, classic, what we call classic products to the Dynatrace platform is that we moved from a buyer that was sort of back in the data center world to the buyers that are at the front edge of the cloud. And that's why we are sustaining 120% plus, and that will continue to sustain 120% plus because as everyone knows, one of the other things the pandemic really showed was who's positioned for the money and who isn't. And if you're selling into a classic space, you're declining. If you're selling into the cloud, digital transformation space, you're winning, okay? So that's I think a really -- again, the numbers tell you, it doesn't matter what my rhetoric is, the numbers tell you what side of the puzzle you're -- or the IT dynamic you're on.

David Hynes

analyst
#19

Yes. Yes. And one of the hallmarks of your model, obviously, is this kind of combination of profits and growth, right? And look, 90% gross margins is an awesome place to start from. But I think one of the maybe underappreciated aspects of the business model is just for such an innovative firm, you run your R&D organization at 15% of revenue, which is -- I think you look across the street, across the spectrum of software companies out there, it's probably less than you would expect. Just talk about how you're able to drive such efficiency. I know there's some unique aspects to kind of the Dynatrace development organization.

John Van Siclen

executive
#20

Well, first of all, it wasn't always that economically sort of frugal, if you will. And to us, it's really not that frugal. We're spending as quickly as we can, again, even in the innovation side. It's just that we moved our R&D over the last few years from half in the U.S., half in Europe to almost all in Central Time Zone Europe. So we get 2 engineers for the price of one. They're extremely talented. You can't get the Google engineers in San Francisco, but we can get them in Central Time Zone Europe. And they're very loyal. They stay around. We have very low turnover, low single-digit turnover. So the combination of those 3 give us a really unique advantage for R&D. And one that shouldn't be sort of underestimated. So I'm thrilled with the team we have, well over 1,000 engineers now, driving innovation in a very effective way across all the pieces of the puzzle we talked about earlier.

David Hynes

analyst
#21

Yes. Yes. Perfect. Last one to finish on. You've laid out kind of a framework to help folks think about intermediate-term growth in the past, right, whether it's new part new logo, part expansion, profit commitments. Maybe just kind of wrap with thoughts about how that all comes together and how you see Dynatrace set up over the next couple of years.

John Van Siclen

executive
#22

Yes. No, it's a great question, DJ. And the formula is very simple: continue to add new logos, billion-dollar company logos and then expand the ARR per customer over time. And so 3,000, a little over 3,000 customers now of that Global 15,000 we target, so a 20% penetration rate there. Early days, we have a lot of room to continue to expand that. And then the ARR per customer is, I think, about $270,000 and been expanding at a high teens kind of rate on a year-over-year basis. And just keep adding innovation and cross-sell muscle to continue to expand that. So the formula straightforward, the compounding effect of the logos and the ARR per customer is powerful. And it's not dissimilar in many ways to ServiceNow and how they built their category-leading franchise. We're taking a page from them and continuing on that path.

David Hynes

analyst
#23

That's a good playbook to follow. John, thank you for doing this, this morning. It's -- Dynatrace is a fun one to cover, and investors are certainly interested in the space. So we appreciate the time, and we'll talk soon.

John Van Siclen

executive
#24

Appreciate it very much. Thank you. Thank you, everyone.

David Hynes

analyst
#25

All right. Thanks.

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