Elanco Animal Health Incorporated (ELAN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 22, 2026

NYSE US Health Care Pharmaceuticals conference_presentation 39 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#1

Good afternoon everyone. Welcome to the day 1 of Bank of America Healthcare Conference in London. My name is [ Lou ], and I am part of the U.S. Life Science tools. And we are very fortunate to have Jeff Simmons with Elanco Animal Health, President and CEO. And I guess maybe Jeff has some statement to begin and then we do go back there.

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#2

Yes. Obviously, not the disclaimers that we normally do in a conference like this, thanks to Bank of America -- it's been great to be in Europe with a lot of our customers and traveling to a lot of our operations here, and we have the opportunity here with investors. So thanks for the interest I would just make a couple of comments. I mean we noted our 8-year anniversary as an independent company coming out of Lilly on Friday. It's been a very intentional journey as we've stood up as we've acquired Bayer, so we built an omnichannel, build a pipeline. We've been very focused the last 3 years, especially on growth, innovation cash. We just finished a great quarter, where we delivered 10% reported growth that came from Farm, Pet for a 50-50 split. U.S. international, 50-50 price volume. So we really had high-quality growth that came from the quarter. I think the second priority is all around innovation. We've got a basket of 6 innovations, 6 blockbuster products that are in big markets where we're in early days, but we have a clear differentiation. We believe medical differentiation that's taking really great share, Zenrelia, Quattro, Experior across a lot of markets. And now as I'm out here traveling, we're just starting to globalize those innovations. So -- and then third is cash. We've delevered the company after acquiring Bayer. We were 6 to 7x levered. We will be at approximately 3x by the end of the year headed into the 2x next year. We know that will unlock even more investors. And then in December, we had an Investor Day to talk about the next 3 years. That was kind of -- we've been a steady beat raise per quarter in the last 3 years, the next 3 years, we have an algorithm where we've committed to mid-single-digit revenue, high single-digit EBITDA, low double-digit EPS, $1 billion of cash created between now and 2028, margin expansion to occur year-on-year and the delevering that will get us into the [ 2 ]. So -- and then our pipeline today, we have a pipeline -- a basket of 6 innovations we're launching, but we have projects in clinical development now that are blockbuster potential products. We've had no attrition since December, and we're committing to 5% to 6% coming through that pipeline of those between now and 2030. So that's a little bit of a summary, growth innovation cash, last 3 years, next 3 years, durable. We've seen good response in the market, and we're in a really good place. I think Campbell Health is a $40 billion industry had to do a $60 billion industry. So we're not only going to get market share growth, but we really like the market growth.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#3

Great. That's a very good starting. So you put out a press release last week. Some mentioned the bins gain order today versus Q2. Maybe we can start from that here, given that the pricing has been a big top on the quarter. Can you maybe just talk a little bit about that? And how do you think about the pricing dynamic in the market right now, where do you see the market, especially from the competitor assets?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#4

I think we've got to stick with facts here, right, and what's happened. So first of all, Animal Health last year grew 7%, 10% Farm, 5% Pet. First semester this year, for 6 months, we grew 2% in price and growing high single digit overall in the business driven by innovation. 10 of the 12 companies in Animal Health grew in the first semester. Most all the major markets globally grew. So Derm, Para, Pet, Arm, all grew. And so I start with just that growth overall. When you look at specifically price, price is definitely correlated to value of the business. So what we're seeing is we announced in that release that in July and August, our prices actually accelerate. And we're seeing that because of the medical differentiation we have in markets that matter to pet owners. Pet owners today, we surveyed at the end of May, 1,400 pet owners in the U.S. and 86% said we will spend the same or more for health. There is a backing down on food supplements, hard goods, but not for health. So if you've got medical differentiation, we're proving that we can take price we're seeing that. We see a responsible market. There's no price war going on. There's always targeted promotions. It's probably more with corporates than general practices, the differentiated innovation, you can take price and take share.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#5

That's great. I guess when you talk about the channel between like the corporate and journal. Do you expect to change in the last like maybe see quarter given that contract doesn't renew all at the same time, you're probably going to see a little bit more dynamics in the future?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#6

Yes. I'm meeting with some corporates here in Europe is on here as well. I think the corporate market in the U.S. and U.K. are the primary corporate markets. So today, about 1/3, a little less than 1/3 of the clinics. There's 30,000 clinics in the U.S., a little less than 1/3 or corporate or conglomerate purchasing and the U.K. is probably a little higher than that. But what I would tell you is we are very under indexed with corporates. And so I think the big message on Elanco is corporates are an area of opportunity but it's not a market that we need to drive growth over the next few years. So I think that's -- so I think that corporates, just like other practices, they want differentiated medicine. They want the itchy dog to stop itching. They want the ticks to be taken care of, and that's where we're spending a lot of time as medical differentiation and building brands with pet owners. When pet owners want their brands. And today, they're walking into a vet clinic, there is more aware and have more information than they've ever had. That puts us in a good position. So I would back up though, I think what's more important is we acquired Bayer 6 years ago to do something. It is now playing out really well. We bought Bayer because they had OTC products and that 1/3 of pet owners don't go to the vet, and they buy OTC. That market continues to grow really nicely. Elanco is one of the only companies in that market. And so Chewy, Amazon, Walmart, have become -- we are the #1 animal health company to them. And that's probably the more price sensitive, so we can offer more pet owners, more products, have more price points than any other company. So we're able to address even parts of the market that might be a little more price sensitive.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#7

Okay. That's very helpful. So let's move on to more of the product categories, such as like para. Quattro has been a pretty kind of like strong performance so far. I'm wondering like what is really like driving the growth? And then how do you kind of see that going, clinical profile, DC investment or like any few you want to highlight?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#8

I have to stop on Quattro and just say because I know there's a lot of investors that spent a lot of time in pharma. I was an officer for Lilly, I was inside of Lilly running Animal Health, but for 10 years inside of Lilly, and so we had an opportunity to have a front row seat the GLP-1s were being developed and everything, but to contrast human and animal health. But there is one common barrier, one common threat. And it's not only is it regulated and science-based, but medical differentiation matters and people will pay for medical differentiation, whether it's for their animals or for themselves. And that really matters. So what's happening today, and I will say 30 years of growth in Animal Health, we've grown for 30 years in a row, 5% to 6%, 2% price. This is one of the most durable industries that exist today. But I think it's really important to that to emphasize when someone enters a market with something differentiated, it takes share. And Quattro is taking share with mostly just in the U.S. business right now. We picked up more than 50% of the clinic. It was the fastest blockbuster we've ever created in 71 years, and it's because it has 4 dimensions of differentiation. That's the only pill you can give a dog for parasites that has 4 active REITs. It covers the broadest coverage with tapeworm. It has the fastest tick kill compared to another competitor, it controls heartworms on month 1 through month 6. and it's palatable. People best want the dog to be able to take it, roll it up in baloney or peanut butter. 5 dimensions of differentiation that we see. We believe we've got best medicine. We've captured half the clinics in the U.S. and it's moving to first-line treatment. This will be Elanco's biggest drug we've ever created in 71 years. It's in a $6 billion payer market, $2 billion oral that $2 billion, we believe that we're in early innings. We're -- we said we're over $100 million, but we're really early with what we think the investments. Yes. And there will be -- people have asked me about international today. We'll start to roll it out internationally we hope to bring it here to the U.K. and Europe next year. So it will be a growth driver 2027 as we take it internationally.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#9

I guess let sticking to that point. There were so many different individual markets in Europe. You've recently been to Brazil as well. So maybe just talk a little bit about what is your international strategy? How do you align the tech?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#10

Bayer data scale and R&D, give us scale in all the affiliates. So we're in all the major countries. We would say today, we have the right, when we say SG&A, we got the right S, we've got the right sales organization. We really don't need to -- we've been building it for other innovations over the last 5 years. So we've got the right sales force in all the major countries, bank Europe, Japan, Australia, U.S., Canada are the big ones. The emerging markets like Brazil and others, East Europe are growing. So we've got the right sales. It will be the promotional activity where our spend will come will be more in marketing promotion. So -- but no, we've got the right infrastructure. We're rolling it out. Zenrelia is a great success. We have brought Zenrelia as fast as any product to the 140-some countries, and it's doing extremely well.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#11

That's a good way to pivot to derm. Zenrelia, so the first line usage has actually increased from like below 20% and then right now to more than 40% of the users just seeing what year. So how do you -- so what is really driving the shift to prescribing behavior? And how much runway that you expect that to continue?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#12

So you've got, let's just back up because back to the our market is growing, what's happening in animal health. This is one of the most attractive markets in all of animal health. An itching dog is the #1 reason people go to the vet. It's -- I kind of say the only way the animal can -- the one thing in animal can self-diagnose, but it is what vets have to do, if you take about a niching dog walking into a clinic and I've had it with my family. It's like get that dog to stop at itching. So efficacy prevails. If the dog keeps itching, what it will say is, hey, they will change vet after the second visit, if a dog doesn't stop itching, they will try something else. So this market is $2.5 billion. Internationally, improved 9% in the first half. So it's an unsatisfied market. And so Zenrelia has come in and very quickly taken share. And the reason so I've never seen like in raws in Brazil, we were over 50% market share in 18 months after 2 incumbent products then they're over. So why? Because if you stop itch in our press release that we put out last week, we also had shared on the news this morning, this hotter weather in Europe calling up, itching is actually -- the season has gone from 3 or 4 months to 5, 6, 7 months. So the season's expanded with the weather change. The itching dog matters and Zenrelia has become a product that has high efficacy. It started as maybe second line treatment. It is now in over half the clinics in the U.S., 40% of those are used in the first line, and we see those numbers climbing. We're picking up 400 to 500 clinics a month from usage, and that's been a big growth. We're in 44 countries outside the U.S. Here in Europe, there's another competitor that's come in, like we launched at the same time, and we announced in that press release, we picked up 10 points more of market share in the first half here in Europe, while the new competitors picked up 2. So we like our efficacy. And now we're coming with another product of Brenna, in the U.S., which will be 2 products at this point.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#13

How do you expect this to go up to kind of work together?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#14

You see about a 60-40, 70-30 split of the JAK product until you take home to the -- what we kind of say, the allergy shot that lasts 4 to 8 weeks, Befrena has some differentiation to the product that's in the market today. So it's a monoclonal antibody and the label in the U.S. is 6 to 8 weeks of control compared to the incumbent, which is 4 to 8 weeks. So surveying the U.S. veterinarians, 85% said they want that product ready the Dominion is far surpassed supply. So we're ramping the monoclonal antibody supply to have full supply first half of next year. So it will be a big growth driver in the U.S. next year. So if you think about a $2.5 billion market, 30% to 40% of the market is. The other is the Zenrelia, the JAK market.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#15

The manufacturing capacity, though, like slower than you expected? What you say line? Or like how should we think about that? Like, are you worried about your talking have capacity or like vice versa?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#16

It's a good problem because right now, we're 24/7 manufacturing for Zenrelia, and we're ramping against a bigger demand line, we're a year out forecasting demand now. because a lot of people want Befrena right now. And remember, the other 2 major competitors in Animal Health don't have monoclonal antibodies yet. So we're the second company that's common. We've got them differentiated. So manufacturing is common with maps to scale the bioreactors. So we've gone from the 200-liter to 2,000. We're scaling to the 5,000. Things are tracking nicely. It's just more of a demand problem and supply.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#17

Back to Zenrelia. I think you have an FDA submission when there was a potential label. Maybe just talk a little bit about that and then what will become the impact.

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#18

Yes. So we're in -- we keep adding countries. We're in around 45, 46 countries today. We have a clean label in all international countries, including Canada, U.S. had a box label on it, where trials were required to be at 3x the dose with vaccine-naive dogs and a tighter reaction was the question. So we ran a booster study that's been helpful to a lot of veterinarians. We've got rid of fatally induced with PCR data. Now we're running a trial to continue to improve. We should finish that trial at the end of this year, which would put us on pace for a 6-month review, middle of '27, we could see further changes to the label potentially middle of next year. But I step back and say, we're 24/7 manufacturing. It's probably the fastest-growing product we've ever had in 7 decades as a company and it's a market that is growing. So people -- I think what's probably misunderstood about Elanco is even with all the questions about Animal Health is we're early innings here. We're $100 million in on a $2.5 billion market, growing at 9% with 2 differentiated assets. And the same with Quattro, a $2 billion road spectrum and deco market, still growing globally, and we're $150 million in with what we believe is best medicine. So we're set up well, and we'll scale the manufacturing and continue to support the products.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#19

Maybe stepping back, I think you asked, there were a lot of concerns on what the U.S. attend that kind of stuff. Are you worried about versus cat dynamics side. Maybe just talk about what is like the common long market growth for this market.

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#20

Yes. So Pet is 40% of the animal health market. Farm animals still 60%. The rest of this decade, farm animal will still be bigger than Pet Health. Protein revolution that's going on with everyone wanting more animal protein that continues. I start there. Then in Pet, 1/3 of the pet market is not retail. We pay there. Most of our competitors do not. Now we're down to 20%, 25% of Animal Health, which is pet vet. We've seen flat dog numbers we see that numbers in the U.S. We've seen 70% of new puppies and outside the U.S. And actually, dog and cat numbers are growing outside the U.S. that vet visit, we believe, is more of a change of behavior of the pet owner. Pet owners are not going to the clinic to purchase as much as they're going online. They're still that that's important. But growth of online ordering is 2x the growth of inside the clinic. So we see purchase visits down but nonwellness visits and itchy dog with pain, a dog median surgery visits are actually on.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#21

So what would be your pricing strategy on different channels like what are the so then the other online, are you going to let to it differently...

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#22

So it's all product related. So if we have a topical product that's only for treatment or is in a dollar store in the U.S. That will be priced according to that value proposition compared to, say, a Quattro, new innovation, most differentiated inside of vet clinic. So it will all be priced relative to the product and the channel, but it's more product-driven than it is channel driven.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#23

Okay. Let's switching in to arm because I feel like that has really not getting the attention that they should be. I mean it's 50% of the business. I wonder, maybe just my same question. high level, what is the driver, -- everyone want be or like any other company needs that do you think will becoming a bigger market going forward?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#24

Yes. So look, I think that it all starts with and underlying demand for animal protein. I spoke in London 5 years ago, and all the questions were on impossible burger, fabless Mondays, veganism, animal protein is coming to the end. It has absolutely flipped totally the other way. Why? Taste cost nutrition. The plant proteins didn't win in the taste category, the cost category or the nutrition. There's been a wellness movement the last 5 years. And it is attributed to the first time -- this data point is an important one, the first time in 30 years that farm animal outgrew pet health. Farm animal grew 10% last year, I'm talking to the industry and Pet grew 5%. So chicken Roble bank will say chicken, numbers are up 3%. Chicken is winning. Dairy is winning. Dairy cow numbers are up 4%. I might say it's a little different in Europe, but it is. And there is a beef shortage. . Then I would say Cork got some religious barriers, but I would say it's more regional, Europe, U.S. and China. There's 3 trends now that they want to taste cost attrition and they've innovated. There's meat sticks. There's yogurts, there's no shakes. Everyone needs 150 grams of protein a day. There are 3 things: wellness. Over 80% of consumers, Europe, U.S., a lot more protein than in the 3 years. Two is there's an aging population. The new disease talked about even at this conference is muscle retention. There will be 25% more people over 60 years of age after this decades done and muscle retention is the big problem. The third is GLP use. GPU use has created 30% to 50% more animal protein consumption with GLP user. So believe it or not, our parent company that we spun out of Eli Lilly, their big focus is, hey, working with protein companies as well to make sure that the diet is right from the slippage. Those 3 trends are driving animal numbers to be up. And so do animal health, they held the animal as a more productive animal. We want to give consumers what they want, animals more help. Right now, there's a 20% mortality morbidity challenge with farm animal so that people want to solve that so they can create more protein. The beef shortage is something a little different. There's a cattle problem in the U.S., but Brazil, Argentina, as cattle in Australia will make up some of that shortage goal.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#25

So you have somewhat double-digit growth number in the quarter, like how sustainable is that?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#26

I don't -- we're not predicting -- let me go back to my algorithm of mid-single-digit revenue growth. Probably when we put that in December, we didn't think farm would hold it on. We thought Pet would be a little bit higher and Farm today, we're seeing -- we see the rest of the decade, the ability for #1 farm animal business in the U.S. We're leaders in poultry and cattle. We think we're positioned well to say we see we see farm animal being really strong mid-single-digit revenue. We run it on very low OpEx. So it's got just as good an EBITDA is Pet. Pet has higher operating expenses, bigger sales versus better gross margin, but the EBITDA is going to come together at the end.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#27

That's helpful. I guess like have you seen any gaps within your farm or where do you think you need to put more environment into pipeline ask that a little bit.

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#28

Yes. So look, we've done a nice job of moving out of antibiotics, focusing heavily on giving consumers what they want, proteins, vaccines, enzymes, and then big part of that movement, and that's helped us grow. Tomorrow, I'm going to see a new acquisition we made up in Holland HP. It's a nutritional health company for cattle. Cattle grew 17% last quarter. and we'll continue to have tuck-ins that will help our portfolio. Our gap though allude to your question is vaccines. Vaccines are about 60% of farm animal. People want to vaccinated prevent disease, and use genetics, vaccinations, we are under-indexed. Lilly didn't have a vaccine at the time, infectious disease, Novartis Bayer. So we've had to acquire and do R&D and build that. So we're a little behind the industry on vaccines, which to us is a good runway of opportunity.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#29

Okay. Is that acquisition on the interest area that will be kind of like a priority at the point? Or like you think compared to the U.S. pet health...

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#30

Yes, we'll be opportunistic. I mean farm's probably got a few more opportunities. I think our top acquisition opportunities are actually molecules that we bring into the pipeline, which are embedded in our R&D budget. But let me be clear on our capital deployment. It is -- we're going to continue to be debt focused and get it down to 2, 2.5x. We've taken half a turn out in the first 6 months. The last first 6 months since the IPO. And so -- and we will -- we're generating more cash today than we have since been an IPO and independent company. But we'll look at shareholder return avenues. We'll look at CapEx should be pretty consistent, not really a step-up debt pay down, and we'll be opportunistic, but no big M&A. We don't see that in our future.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#31

Okay. That's helpful. I guess another aspect of that, like farmers are cautious, right? People worried about rising calls from my late transportation, anything? Like how do you think that dynamic will change demand for farm products?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#32

Yes. The healthy animal converts energy into protein better than healthier. And as the cost of the inputs goes up, the return on that conversion is greater. So right now, to most of the farm animal species. Our return on investment value proposition is as strong as it's been in a long time. Every kilogram or protein matters. And so that's the focus right now. So what I would say is we work to prevent disease and we work to convert protein from feed and we take care of food safety, Salmonella and E Coli. Those are our 3 big solution sets. And so today, I would say our farm animal customers, our is as strong as it's been, which has given us a little pricing power as well. I think the new opportunity is the environment. And so Elanco is the first and only company that has the 2 only FDA-approved products with environmental claims. And what we're doing is we're reducing ammonia and methane out of cattle and converting that also to more productivity and that's giving consumers what they want, which is less environmental footprint, with also more productivity. Yes. That's the next $2 billion to $4 billion market we farm in.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#33

That's very helpful. I guess on last one, a little bit more operational aspect, the channel investments. So the channel that you operate right now. Maybe just talk a little bit about strategy just in general. Any additional investment that you want to make, like where do you see like a gap? How do you improve that?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#34

Yes. I think break it down. I think on the pet side, our strategy, starting with the Bayer acquisition and bringing in OTC is we want to be where pet owners want to shop. We want to keep the veterinarian in the center just like any consumer market, people with AI, they have more information and more awareness. They walk into a vet clinic or get online or call into telemedicine with more awareness than ever before. So our goal is to offer the right SKUs, the right product portfolio in the channels that are necessary, while keeping the vet in the center. I think that's really important. On the farm animal side, it is more access direct to farm. It's more of a B2B business and the ability to be able to reach farmers, but I would say that's much more of a direct to the farm approach is kind of the channel. We will use partners, distributors, feed companies where necessary, but today, arms are bigger, and it's much more of a B2B business.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#35

Moving on to kind of 2027. I know you're ready to guide, but interesting to see what are the moving pieces? You mentioned the growth driver, is one of them. Maybe just talk a little bit about that.

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#36

Yes. So I stay to our commitment of the algorithm. I think we're out there. We're guiding quarterly. Our goal is to keep the keep the consistency of delivering and doing what we say quarter-by-quarter. So we'll continue to guide quarterly. We'll continue to outline every quarter kind of what's coming, what's next. So because animal health is maybe covered by a lot of analysts that cover a lot of other industries. We want to be very clear. But out the press releases and share is really important. But as you look at '27, we would say, hey, starting with the algorithm of a mid-single-digit top line, high single-digit EBITDA, low double-digit EPS, our goal is to stay on that mantra. What will be drivers. Befrena coming into the U.S. and some other markets as well. Control globalizing, that will be another big driver. . Zenrelia and Quattro in the markets that are in today, lapping as we're picking up these 400 or 500 clinics a month, that lapping effect is going to be quite significant, we believe. And then the farm animal side, I think, yes, there will be some normalization back to maybe mid-single digit, high single-digit growth rates. We've got AV, we've got other innovation that's come in that will be additive, and we continue to believe it's a durable market, just accelerating price in July and August, we'll continue to see price. We've said in that 2% to 3% range.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#37

On the margin and then you mentioned the pricing, Again, it's a competitive market. How do you think about like quality to continue to gain pricing and then at the same time, if competitors be more gross, how do you really protect margin as well?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#38

I kind of say the 4 things of why we see the next tranche of our stock has done extremely well over the last couple of years, what will drive the stock in the next couple of years, I'm just taking your question. without question, the profile of our company is quite different. 50-50 farm at international, U.S. is really good. Two is we're in major markets with 6 innovations. Some of our competitors have one innovation in one market. We've got 6. We will double those 6 innovations over the next 3 years. That will be the next tranche of value. The next 5 to 6 are coming and then margin, to your point, margin and cash. We're just like in the early markets and early share, we're in the early, early innings and the early stages of margin. So what we've committed to is we're mid-50s on gross margin. we are tracking to 60% given the exact time line, but we have a trajectory and a glide path to go from 55% to 60% gross margin, low 20s headed towards the 30% on EBITDA. What will drive that is 75% will come from gross margin. On the EBITDA side, 25% will be G&A. So we see nice margin expansion in net dollars on year-on-year going into next year.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#39

Sounds great. We mentioned quite a lot about pipeline innovation. When is the last time we're going to hear updates?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#40

Yes. Well, please know that first, exploiting the 6 blockbusters we have that are really small and big growing markets is #1. So we talk about my top priorities on growth. it is launched well. We'll keep spending on these products because we see them as maybe the biggest products we've ever had, and they will be some of the biggest the industries ever had. That's what we became Zenrelia, Quattro, Befrena, Experior, okay? That's one. Then I think as you look at the next -- what we're saying is we've got 5 projects in clinical development. And we don't want a near pocket in innovation, and I'm confident, more so today than even December, we had our Investor Day, we've had no attrition, by way no attrition, a stable R&D team, a matrix structure build-around capabilities. Ellen de Brabander what she's done there and her team are amazing, the use of AI on the front and the back of the pipeline. And so we didn't have attrition with the 6 we launched. We now have 15, I'm committing to 5 to 6 by 2031, and they won't all happen in the last couple of years. So you're going to start to see a string innovation, and they're in the big markets. They're differentiated assets are not -- oh, we hope to create a new market. They're going to be in the big learnings.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#41

Okay. So you're not worried about like a second offer into the market -- like how do you take like the big market versus like you want to be kind of like a #1 to market?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#42

Yes. So we're looking at that and look at the big markets are payer at derm, pain, productivity and sustainability, infectious disease. Outside of the big 6, I would say then, yes, we're chasing CKD. 1 out of 3 or 4 cats its renal failure, and so we're all chasing chronic kidney disease. We're chasing oncology. We need a broad spectrum oncology product, it's cost efficient. That's going to be a big market for us coming up. Obesity, yes, impacts will be a big market. And I think this environmental productivity market on the farm animal side, all of those will be future markets that we're chasing and some of our competitors are as well. But because we don't have 70%, 80% share in those other big markets, we still have a lot of room to innovate in those main markets.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#43

Okay. That's helpful. I wanted to go back to more of the margin costs, cost savings. Any specific areas are you targeting right now, you have the ASCEND program. You were kind of like on track to 200 to 250 EBITDA savings by 2030? Any chance that can kind of go beyond, what are the areas upside?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#44

Please know that Elanco ASCEND, and I'm bringing in VanHimbergen that came really from Johnson Controls and build brand, a low-margin manufacturing industry into pharmaceuticals, it's all about optimized margins. So while we're investing in innovation and launches, the rest of the company is saying we have 5,000 projects. I got 100 leaders, senior leaders are paid on 2 things: beating cost of capital on cash, so tight cash utilization, cash creation what shareholders want and beat last year's EBITDA. Those are the 2 metrics. And so what I would tell you is we're going to get kind of flat to more efficient G&A by shared service centers, use of AI, a lot more productivity, but the big one will be on the cost of our products. Bigger products are going to have higher gross margins that are going to look a lot more like our they're an industry, and that's going to be able to drive a lot more margin. So over 75% of our margin expansion had come from gross margin, which is active ingredient procurement to better plant utilization to more efficient footprint.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#45

Sounds great. I guess and maybe just a final one here. Where do you think with the Elanco story being appreciate right now? I know that usually the leverage is one part of it. Anything else that you kind of want to mention?

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#46

I think big markets we're early. So in a very volatile, maybe capital markets time, animal health is durable. It continues to grow. Elanco is coming in with very differentiated innovation in an industry that rewards differentiated innovation. And when I'm $100 million into a $2.5 billion market in derm, $150 million into a $6 billion parasiticide market. We have a lot of runway of growth with stuff that's already approved, that's globalizing and the same on the protein side. So I think it's our profile of our company, our early in on innovation, and we're not going to hit an air pocket. I'm very committed that we've got 5 to 6 innovations that are coming to continue this trajectory for the next decade. So our commitment to the algorithm, low double-digit EPS growth is good. And then I think, look, we have delevered the company. So that cash is going to be able to create shareholder value as well. So we're a multipronged very compelling, I think, investment story inside the most durable industry on Wall Street today. That's my opinion.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#47

Awesome. Thank you so much for your time.

Jeffrey Simmons

executive
#48

Thank you. Thanks.

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