Everest Medicines Limited (6HN.F) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 31, 2021

Frankfurt Stock Exchange HK Health Care Biotechnology earnings 55 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Everest Medicines Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your host today, Mr. Ziyi Chen, China Health Care Analyst, Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Ziyi Chen

analyst
#2

Sure. Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Everest Medicines' Interim Results 2021 Corporate Update Earnings Call, and Goldman Sachs has the privilege to host this call. This is Ziyi Chen, China Health Care Analyst at Goldman Sachs. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. So before we kick off the session, I have to read our disclaimer. This call is strictly for clients of Goldman Sachs only, and these conversations are not intended for the media, and they are off the record. Participants will be removed on the call if they cannot be properly identified, and this call webcast is not for the purpose of sharing or receiving nonpublic or otherwise confidential information. Attendees are public-side market participants who may not receive and should not request nonpublic or otherwise confidential information about issuer or security or about the markets for securities. So joining me today from the company are CEO, Kerry Blanchard; President and CFO, Ian Woo; and our COO, Neo Zhang, will also be joining us for the Q&A portion of today's call. I would now like to turn the call over to Yihang Zhu, the Manager of IR from Everest Medicines. Please proceed.

Yihang Zhu

executive
#3

Thank you, Ziyi, and good morning, everyone. We issued a press release with half year 2021 interim results before the call, and it is available in the Investors section of Everest Medicines' website. Speakers of this conference call may make statements that constitute forward-looking statements, including descriptions regarding the intent, belief or current expectations of the company or its officers with respect to the business operations and financial condition of the company, which can be identified by terminologies such as will, expects, anticipates, future, intends, plans, believes, estimates, confident and similar statements. Such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors and assumptions. The company or any of its affiliates, directors, officers, the advisers or representatives has no obligation and does not undertake to revise forward-looking statements to reflect new information due to events or circumstances after the date of this conference call except as required by law. I will now turn the call over to Everest's CEO, Kerry, to discuss our business update and outlook.

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#4

Thanks, Yihang, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to review Everest's 2021 interim results and recent business highlights. 2021 has been a highly productive year for Everest Medicines. We -- as we continue to drive progress toward our corporate goals across all pillars of our business, we have successfully submitted an NDA for eravacycline in complicated intra-abdominal infections and a BLA for sacituzumab govitecan-hziy in second-line plus metastatic triple-negative breast cancer. Meanwhile, we are rolling out our commercialization plan and building up our commercialization infrastructure to ensure the successful launch of our products as they receive regulatory approval. We are also making good progress advancing our other pipeline products into and through clinical development. In addition, we have hired Dr. Jennifer Yang as our Chief Scientific Officer to lead the establishment of a robust discovery organization. Furthermore, we are well on track for the construction of our GMP production site in Jiashan in Zhejiang province of China. Looking ahead, we are very excited for several key near-term milestones and the next phase of growth as a commercial-stage company. Finally, we continue to be active on the business development front about weighting multiple strategic opportunities and hope to complete 2 to 3 in-licensing deals and R&D partnership and other strategic transactions before the end of the year. To start with our anchor product in the oncology therapeutic area, sacituzumab govitecan, our BLA submission for the treatment of second-line plus metastatic TNBC was accepted by the China NMPA in May of 2021, and we received priority review for the submission. We are very excited to prepare for a potential launch in China anticipated in the first half of 2022. We believe sacituzumab govitecan has been significantly derisked after our partner, Gilead, received full U.S.A. FDA approval for the treatment of adult patients with second-line plus metastatic triple-negative breast cancer in April of 2021. Our Phase IIb bridging study of sacituzumab govitecan in metastatic triple-negative breast cancer in China completed enrollment well ahead of schedule, and we expect to announce top line results in the second half of 2021. In addition, we received pediatric and rare severe disease priority review designations by the Taiwan FDA for sacituzumab govitecan in second-line triple-negative breast cancer and orphan and fast track designations for metastatic triple-negative breast cancer from the Ministry of Food and Drug Safety in South Korea in May of 2021. In January 2021, we submitted an NDA to the HSA of Singapore for sacituzumab govitecan for the treatment of second-line triple-negative breast cancer and are preparing NDA submissions for the same indications in South Korea and Taiwan in the second half of 2021. Moving to hormone receptor positive HER2 negative breast cancer, we expect to complete patient enrollment of our fully powered Phase III Asia study in early 2022. This trial is currently enrolling across sites in Mainland China, Taiwan and South Korea. For urothelial cancer, Gilead received accelerated approval from the U.S. FDA in April 2021 for locally advanced or metastatic urothelial cancer following a platinum-containing chemotherapy and a PD-1 or PD-L1 inhibitor. As part of the collective effort to make this innovative drug available to patients around the world, we started patient enrollment in China as part of Gilead's global Phase III confirmatory trial in August of 2021. Working with our partner, Gilead, we endeavor to develop sacituzumab govitecan broadly across a number of additional cancer types that overexpressed TROP-2. In March, China's NMPA approved a CTA for a Phase II basket trial in 180 patients with relapsed/refractory esophageal squamous cell carcinoma, gastric cancer and cervical cancer. We expect to initiate this study in the second half of 2021. Looking at our cardio-renal therapeutic area, we completed Chinese patient enrollment as part of our partner's -- Calliditas' Phase III global registration trial to evaluate Nefecon as a treatment for IgA nephropathy. We expect to have proteinuria data readout in Chinese patients in the first half of 2022 and are preparing to file an NDA in China following the readout in 2022. I also would like to highlight that our partner, Calliditas, committed -- submitted an NDA to the U.S. FDA for Nefecon for the treatment of primary IgA nephropathy with a PDUFA date of September 15, 2021. Calliditas also filed an MMA (sic) [ MAA ] to the EMA for Nefecon for the same indication. If approved, Nefecon would be the first-ever drug with the label for IgA nephropathy. Moving to our infectious disease portfolio. First, we have eravacycline. And as I previously mentioned, the NDA for eravacycline in complicated intra-abdominal infections was accepted by the China NMPA in March of 2021. In addition, China NMPA approved a CTA for eravacycline for the treatment of community-acquired bacterial pneumonia. In addition to eravacycline, we expect to have top line readouts -- results readout for taniborbactam, a novel injectable beta-lactamase inhibitor, in the first half of 2022. For corporate update. In the first half of 2021, we have also focused on initiatives in 3 key areas: commercialization, discovery and manufacturing. We are building an industry-leading commercial team with 3 business units in Mainland China focused on oncology, internal medicine and infectious disease under the leadership of Kevin Guo, who joined us as Chief Commercial Officer in February of 2021. We have also expanded our geographical footprint with newly established offices and general managers in South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore to ensure commercial success in those markets. With Jennifer Yang, our Chief Scientific Officer, joining us in April, we are actively building our discovery team by recruiting experienced talents in drug discovery and translational medicines and exploring new modalities and technology platforms to accelerate our discovery efforts. Our new research laboratory in Zhangjiang, Shanghai is expected to be fully operational in the first quarter of 2022. Furthermore, we are making steady progress on the construction of our global manufacturing site in Jiashan, Zhejiang. Phase 1a of the facility construction, including quality control and office building, is expected to be completed in 2022 and Phase 1b containing production, repackaging and warehouse is expected to be complete in 2023. We will continue to expand our innovative drug portfolio in areas of high unmet medical needs through in-licensing and building of organic discovery capabilities. Our business development team is actively working on a number of licensing, research collaborations and partnership transactions across our therapeutic areas of focus, which complement our existing portfolio and offer opportunities for commercial synergy. With that, I will now turn the call over to Ian Woo to review our financial highlights. Ian?

Ian Ying Woo

executive
#5

Great. Thank you, Kerry. So I will now review the financial results for the 6 months ended June 30, 2021. And please refer to our interim results announcement from yesterday for some of the detailed numbers. So as of June 30, 2021, the group's cash and cash equivalents was RMB 3.971 billion. Net loss for the period decreased from RMB 240.4 million from RMB 623.5 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2020, to RMB 383.1 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2021. This is primarily attributable to changes in fair value of financial instruments issued to investors. Adjusted loss for the period increased by RMB 57.2 million from RMB 245.9 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2020, to RMB 303.1 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2021. This is primarily attributable to increase in R&D expense and distribution and selling expenses related to the buildout of our commercial organization. Moving on to specific line items. Research and development expense increased by RMB 89.8 million from RMB 161 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2020, to RMB 250.8 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2021. This is attributable to 3 factors: number one, additional clinical trials for our drug candidates; number two, continued expansion of our R&D team; and number three, the establishment of our internal discovery platform for in-house R&D capabilities. General and administrative expenses increased by RMB 6.1 million from RMB 101.3 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2020, to RMB 107.4 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2021. This is primarily due to increases in employee remuneration in connection with the organization's expansion. Distribution and selling expenses increased by RMB 32.9 million from RMB 9.2 million in the 6 months that ended June 30, 2020, to RMB 42.1 million for the 6 months ended June 30, 2021. This is primarily due to the buildup of our commercial team and prelaunch activities for the commercialization of upcoming products that we expect to be approved and launched in 2022. Finally, I would like to just highlight the fact that the company stock was included as a constituent stock of the Small Cap Index, the FTSE All-Cap Index and FTSE Total-Cap Index in the Global Equity Index Series. This concludes our prepared remarks for today. I will now pass the call back over to the operator for questions.

Ziyi Chen

analyst
#6

Thank you. Thank you, Kerry, and Ian. So operator, please remind participants how to raise questions.

Operator

operator
#7

[Operator Instructions]

Ziyi Chen

analyst
#8

And alternatively, if you wish to send -- for me to raise the question on behalf of you, you can also send the questions over to me through e-mail. My e-mail address is ziyi.chen@gs.com. So before we're waiting for questions, I actually got 2 questions to start with. Number one is, definitely a lot of investors are looking forward to more BD deals. As Kerry just mentioned that we're looking at potential to do 3 more BD deals in the second half of this year. Well, I think it's more like in the upcoming 4 months. So any color on that? And could you elaborate a bit more about what kind of specific areas you will be looking at? What kind of stage you -- of assets we will be looking at? Any potential time line for that? I think this is one of the questions we have keeping asking. And broader on top of that, I think still, we're trying to understand a bit more on the overall BD strategy over next few years and also things -- company also ramping up the in-house discovery capability. So trying to understand a bit more about how you're going to balance the resources between those 2 efforts, the BD and also in-house discoveries. And also in the in-house discovery part, any progress on the team buildup and also any specific areas we'll be looking at for the in-house discovery?

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#9

Okay. Thank you, Ziyi. This is Kerry, and I will start with these questions for the -- I'll start with the second question first, which is the overall BD strategy and portfolio expansion strategy over the next few years and the balance between organic and inorganic growth. So from the licensing perspective, we have not changed our direction substantially in that we still firmly believe that a global innovation with first-in-class or best-in-class assets is the target zone that we pursue. And we also spend most of our attention on assets that have achieved a clinical proof of concept. So these are later-stage assets usually in Phase II or even early in Phase III. So as in the past, 6 of -- 8 of our assets fall into those categories. And I would say we maintain that same kind of ratio. We are spending some time looking at earlier assets, things that are in Phase I or early in Phase II. These carry a higher risk profile but also have a substantially different value proposition in taking assets to POC and with the opportunity with earlier assets to try to gain access to some of the global economics rather than just China and regional economics. From the discovery side, the team is growing well. Jennifer has hired the bulk of her leadership team. This is today about 10, 11 people. And of course, we have to build out our wet lab in Zhangjiang, in Zhangjiang Hi-Tech Park in Pudong, Shanghai. So that space has been acquired and is being fitted out now. And currently, the team is working on their early projects and starting the strategy for the discovery area. We are really modality agnostic with my experience and Jennifer's experience crossing small molecules, large molecules, ADCs and even nucleic acids. And so we're much more focused on the target category than we are on the modality because modality changes depending on the target. But we do have interest in ADCs. We have -- because we have one of the leading ADCs in the world today with Trodelvy or sacituzumab govitecan. And so we would like to enhance our capabilities in that area. So that team is growing quickly and, I think, in the right direction. As far as the balance between license and in-license, of course, the next 2 or 3 years will be largely in-licensing. Discovery takes some time to move from project's initiation to clinic. So we think our first assets will approach clinic in the next 2 to 3 years. And I would say if we think about the whole size of the discovery organization, we expect it to be in the neighborhood of 40 to 60 people when it is complete. So that's my answer to the second question. To the first question on some more character about the near-term deals, we have a very active BD plate right now with multiple deals that we are in or have completed due diligence. And these deals cross all of our therapeutic areas with a focus on renal disease and on oncology and on infectious disease. We have -- we are looking and have very active deals in all of those areas. And the spectrum of the deals range from a clinical development perspective from assets that are in early Phase II to assets that are ready to go to Phase III. So that's about the answer to question 1. So Ian, Neo, do you have anything to add to the questions -- or to the answers?

Ian Ying Woo

executive
#10

Yes. Maybe I'll just add a couple of quick points. One is that I think as a management team think about our approach to business development, I think maybe 2 years ago, we would just be talking about in-licensing transactions. And today, we also still -- we still talk about in-licensing, but I think what we can do on the business development front is a lot broader, right? We could do R&D collaborations. We could explore more strategic transactions. We can still look at late-stage assets. We can also look at earlier-stage opportunities. And whereas the last 4 years, we were really looking at assets with regional rights, today, we are -- there are a number of opportunities that we're in late-stage discussions with that would have global upside or global rights. And I think this is just because of the scale and the expertise that the company has gained over the last 4 years and really has accelerated with the buildout of our discovery organization. And that allows us to expand really the range of opportunities that we could look at. And that will also allow us to create shareholder value not just from our core regional territories but potentially with global upside as well. Now these sort of R&D collaborations that potentially could allow us to access to enabling technologies could be very strategic and really position our -- the company well for the next phase of growth.

Ziyi Chen

analyst
#11

Sure. Operator, let's open the line.

Operator

operator
#12

The first question we have is from Sean Wu from Morgan Stanley.

Sean Wu

analyst
#13

Congratulations on how the progress is there and remains with [ the department ]. I have 2 quick questions. The first is about your commercialization plans for all your assets in China, in Korea and other places. You mentioned like you have multiple commercial offices, you have multiple chief commercial officers to be in charge of kind of sales, of product investment areas. Some of the products, you may give to maybe third party to prepare new products. That's number one. Number two, it's about your buyback plan. You just announced very big and I can point out, company, USD 100 million. I understand that you -- many people still think the [indiscernible] just not sure. Like what's the time line that you can deploy this USD 100 million? And the COVID [ spike is ] going up and will make us [indiscernible] at certain points, we hope it happens soon. On the other point, [ I invest in stock ] may not always be necessary. [ When funds ] grow up, those [indiscernible] amount to huge buybacks since the start until now kind of [ less than half of them since they ] announced buybacks. Of course, I think the business should have been [ improved ] while the company develops many programs [indiscernible] in some sense [ across the government ]. So I'm just kind of curious to see for us, we have kind of large use of cash in the $100 million in the [ last year eating up ] a lot of news. Okay.

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#14

Thank you so much for your questions. I'll take the second question first on the stock repurchase. Just to be clear, it's HKD 100 million, not USD 100 million. And so it's a substantially smaller amount of...

Sean Wu

analyst
#15

My bad.

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#16

Yes. So it's Hong Kong dollars. And you covered the points well, I think. We certainly believe our stock is significantly undervalued and that our Board believes that share repurchase under these current conditions demonstrates our confidence in our business outlooks and the prospects for the company. And we're authorizing just 2% of our cash balance for repurchase. And we believe that we can replenish cash balance in the future at a lower cost of capital. So I think those are the sort of the simple answers to that question. From the first question about the -- our commercialization and general approach, without question, we will only have one Chief Commercial Officer. That's Kevin Guo. Very talented, very experienced gentleman, was the previous BU2 leader at Roche and was an executive at Eisai in China and globally, decades of experience in many therapeutic areas. So one of the benefits of Kevin is that he has been in the antibiotic area. He's been in vaccines. He's been in cancer. He's been in renal disease. So he has a broad experience, including deep experience from Roche in breast cancer where he led the commercialization efforts for Herceptin and for Xeloda. So we believe he's the right person. He's certainly demonstrated that in his time here and putting together a great team. Our team structure under Kevin is set up in a BU fashion for oncology, for infectious disease and for internal medicine. The international group comes in through -- under Kevin, which is led by Alex Wang, a talented, experienced person with a background from -- in Asia. And so that's how our structure will work. In China, certainly for oncology, we intend to build that sales force, entire -- and commercialization force ourselves. Same for Nefecon. In other therapeutic areas, we have not -- we're not completely -- we have not completely decided the model, but the marketing -- central marketing access, government affairs, medical affairs, all those functions will be internal to our company. Ian, Neo, any clarifications on these answers?

Ian Ying Woo

executive
#17

Not from me.

Neo Xiaofan Zhang

executive
#18

No, I think you answered great, yes.

Ian Ying Woo

executive
#19

Yes, yes.

Sean Wu

analyst
#20

Yes. I would like to [ pardon ], I see with 100 million the USD next [indiscernible].

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#21

No problem.

Operator

operator
#22

[Operator Instructions] Next one is from the line of Yang Huang from Crédit Suisse.

Yang Huang

analyst
#23

I have 2. First one is about our Trodelvy clinical development strategy in China or in Asia. So we can see for HR positive and HER2 negative breast cancer, we are working on our Phase III trials in Asia, China and other countries. But it seems to be -- our partner, Gilead, right, is also running a Phase III trial, global trial, which is going to have a readout in the second half of this year. And so my question is, why do we want to run kind of an independent second Phase III trial in Asia country? Let's see. Of course, we hope that both trials will be positive, but what if 2 trials give us different results? And will that kind of affect our registration strategy, although they seem to be the only, I mean, Phase III trial we are growing in Asia -- independently in Asia for Trodelvy? That's the first one. Second one is related to our neph contract. So we see early this year, FDA approved SGLT2 drug for CKD patients for slowing their kidney function deterioration. And so I want to understand the SGLT2 drug approval in CKD approval, how much kind of indication overlapping with our Nefecon potential indication.

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#24

Yes, great questions. Thank you very much. For the Trodelvy question, we certainly prefer when possible to join global trials and to have China contribute 15% to 20% of the patients or maybe more depending on the indication to the global trial. I think that is the -- this is the most efficient way to do development. But there are some situations where that's not possible. And one of the common situations is that a comparator drug or a standard of care may be different between China and the rest of the world. And that is part of the case with hormone receptor positive/HER2 negative. So at the time when that trial started globally, the CDK4/6 inhibitors had not penetrated well. The only approved one at the time was palbociclib from Pfizer. And it had been approved but had very low penetrants in China. And so the treatment paradigm is actually quite different. In China, patients fail hormonal therapy, and then they go directly on to single-agent chemotherapy, whereas in the United States and Europe and Japan, they're treated either sequentially with hormonal therapy and CDK4/6 inhibitors or in parallel and fail, and then they go on to chemotherapy. So the patient populations are slightly different. That's caught up with time, but the trials have to start when the trial start. And that was the predominant behavior in -- clinically in China at the time. So there's quite a difference. And so we elected to do a local trial, a regional trial where we can interrogate both the population that is CDK4/6 experienced and CDK4/6 inexperienced. So we think that gives us some -- will give us great data to add to the global data that we're expecting will read out sometime in the next few months from the Gilead side. So that was the reason. In the future, unless the cancer is a predominantly Chinese cancer where it may not make sense to run a global trial, if it's a part of the global CDP, clinical development plan, we would prefer to join the global trials and help the global enrollment. For the second question about Nefecon and SGLT2 inhibitors, that's a great question. As you probably remember, I was at Lilly. I helped with the development of empagliflozin, one of the SGLT2 inhibitors. And they're a great addition to the armamentarium for the treatment of both cardiac failure and chronic kidney disease. The overlap with IgA nephropathy is minimal or nonexistent. IgA nephropathy is a very particular type of kidney disease caused by an abnormal IgA that leads to glomeruli damage. And this is very different than the types of kidney disease that are being treated with SGLT2 inhibitors. So we don't expect there to be substantial overlap, but great question.

Neo Xiaofan Zhang

executive
#25

Yes. Okay. I just want to add on the -- as for the SGLT2 question, I mean what we're seeing as we're preparing the launch for Nefecon as we look at the market, it's a very, very deep market. Currently, despite optimal kind of [ care treatment ] that's primarily [indiscernible] division, the polyuria of average patient is very high. And then the patients -- the physicians that we see through in China don't really have a treatment goal. And then kind of even -- it would be very easy for us to push down the treatment goal somewhere above 1 gram of polyuria per day to, say, like a 0.5 gram per day. But even -- but if you look at other renal diseases, for example, GVHD, there are drugs out on the market that are pushing for a treatment goal of less than 0.3 grams per day of polyuria. So that's the meaning of polyuria. So to get to -- so there's abundant scientific data showing for polyuria target, the lower the better. And then to get to an optimal treatment, we think the market is big enough to allow multiple agents to play, and we're actually looking at other very promising tumor modalities for IgA nephropathy typically. And then it will be a market that eventually allow even 3 or 4 modalities play out there to achieve the optimal treatment for patients.

Operator

operator
#26

The next question we have is from the line of Chen Wang from BofA Securities.

Chen Wang

analyst
#27

We have 2 small questions regarding to manufacture and commercialization. The first one is our understanding -- if our understanding is correct, we are building our own facilities for manufacture, but we expect the Trodelvy and Xerava to be approved in 2021, 2022, which is why we -- it will be happening very soon. But is there a small gap, a time gap between our manufacturing facility to put into production and the product approval? So will that be ready for the launch of these 2 commercial-stage products? So that's the question for manufacturing. The second one is for our commercialization team. We understand that we're building our own sales team in China. Could you please share more details on whether -- for example, the team size, how much will -- how many people will be included in the sales team and also the -- like the first year penetration target for hospital, details thereof?

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#28

Sure. Thank you for the questions. For the manufacturing question, the most -- I think the most fast way of transferring manufacturing is post-approval and with manufacturing license change. And so that would be the approach that will be taken. And we -- the first molecule that we pursue manufacturing of in Jiashan will not be Trodelvy or eravacycline. So I think we have time to build out our facilities and get ready for subsequent launches. We have the tech transfer rights in many of our contracts. And so this will be, going forward, for the right profile of the molecule, like sterile parenteral and some -- and more difficult molecules, the -- we believe that local manufacturing under our control is still the appropriate direction. For the second question about commercialization and size of organizations, the central marketing team, the central commercialization team, I think will top out around 75 or 80 people. For the sales force side for oncology, we expect the sales force of -- in the neighborhood of 250 to 300 medical reps. With this, we believe we can cover 85% of the important hospitals in China. I would expect a similar size for Nefecon at Nefecon launch. And with eravacycline, that as well will not require a broad market sales team because it's a medicine that's used in very seriously ill patients, most in surgical intensive care units. So it's a much more concentrated population of doctors and hospitals and patients that we need to cover. So I wouldn't see any of the sales forces being any bigger than 200 to 300 medical reps. Ian, Neo, would you like to add to those answers?

Ian Ying Woo

executive
#29

Yes. I think that's -- yes, that's pretty much the detail that we have guided externally. I think maybe just to add to -- a couple of points, for oncology, we think that -- we think we want to cover 80% of the breast cancer patients in China. And as you guys know, the first and second indication for Trodelvy is going to be TNBC first, and the second is likely to be HR positive/HER2 negative breast cancer. So to cover this, we think a sales force of 200 to 250 people should be able to cover about 700 hospitals, and that should be able to allow us to reach about 80% of the patients in China. And we will -- of course, as we get additional indications into different cancer types, we will be expanding the team accordingly. And I think for Nefecon, it's similar as well. I think AstraZeneca for roxadustat started with 200 persons in their team and very quickly build out to 500 plus. So I think a similar type of build is probably appropriate, although we think for IgA nephropathy, the end clients are -- the market is a little bit more concentrated than the dialysis segment in the hospitals, so we can potentially start out. And the speed of the ramp may not have to be as fast as Astra Zeneca did with roxadustat. So that's just to provide a little bit more color on the -- on the sales force side.

Operator

operator
#30

The next question we have is from the line of [ Colin Zou ] from CICC.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#31

This is [ Wang Bin ] from CICC. And I have 2 small questions. The first one is about Nefecon. So what's your status now for Nefecon in China? And what about our communication with CDE? Can we see the facilities and the accelerated approval? And also, we are pleased to see that actually, Nefecon, I see, is attracting more attention. And we can see many companies are entering to the areas also just like U.S. [indiscernible] molecules as well as Fc fusion protein from Merck also [ launching ]. So what do you think about the competition with the new molecules? And the second question is about Trodelvy. So [ Lilly ] is going to announce the Phase III trial data in the third-line HR positive/HER2 negative breast cancer, and maybe somewhat are concerned about the efficacy in that group, which [ previous it seems you have indicated that growth. ] Can you share any insight or opinion about this trial or the results? And also for the third-line non-small cell lung cancer, so this trial will also -- what about the plan for this indication? Yes.

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#32

Sure. Thanks for the questions. For the -- and we'll start with the Nefecon question. So from the regulatory end, Nefecon was granted breakthrough therapy designation by CDE, which does make it eligible for accelerated conditional approval. We will have our first Chinese data in the first half of next year. And we think that is the data that we want to build our NDA on. Currently, the data is all outside of China, so -- other than our PK data in Chinese patients. So our expectation is that China will want to see proteinuria data, which is what -- the readout that will happen next -- the beginning of next year, and safety data. From the competition side, I think we've raised a lot of awareness and Calliditas has raised a lot of awareness around this disease around the world and in particular in China, and people are interested. It's a complicated disease and complicated clinical path. Our early-phase clinical data needs to be confirmed in large randomized trials that take years to run. So I think those agents are somewhat behind. I think the biology is fascinating, [ ultra ] B-cell modulators, although there are a few other mechanisms. And we think that B cells make IgA, and so that's an interesting direction for IgA nephropathy, and we follow these assets closely. As Neo suggested in an earlier question or earlier answer, we believe that IgA nephropathy will require multiple medicines. And so I think that medicines like an APRIL antibody or APRIL binder will likely be used in combination with other medicines. And we think that's the standard medicine to combine with because it will be the front [ renter ], and the standard of care will be Nefecon. And so we expect -- much like cancer, this is a serious, life-threatening chronic disease that has lots of disability that people will want to push proteinuria down to [ label ] levels and try to preserve as much kidney function as possible. And this will require multiple agents. So I think it's just a good thing for the patients to have more agents. For the Trodelvy question or sacituzumab govitecan, as I should call it, for that molecule, lots of questions around hormone receptor positive/HER2 negative, most of those based off of a small Phase II trial with difference in response to -- seeing a difference in response duration between HER2, between CDK4/6 naive and CDK4/6 failure patients. So I think we have to think about the time frame in which that trial was done. And actually, if we look at the duration data, the duration of response data for CDK4/6 failure is actually quite good. It's just this -- in CDK4/6 naive, it's even better. And so it's not that either of the data points are bad data points. They're just different times in the natural history of the patient. So if a patient has only failed hormonal therapy and hasn't seen CDK4/6 drugs a lot earlier in the disease than patients who failed them serially, so there could be a 2- to 3-year difference in that type of patients. So I think the expectation is that in patients who have failed more agents, the survival benefit will be shorter. And so I think this is expected, and Gilead has publicly reaffirmed their confidence in this trial, and we look forward to the results soon.

Operator

operator
#33

There are no further question at this time. Presenters, you may continue.

Ziyi Chen

analyst
#34

Sure. I think probably given the time limit, probably I got a last question from an e-mail I'm going to ask is, investors start to see emerging new players to get into the top 2 ADC space. So trying to get a sense from the company in that whether you're going to see any of the major threats coming from upcoming players in the space or any differentiations we'll be talking about here.

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#35

Certainly. So Trodelvy is quite different than other ADCs. None of the competitors look like Trodelvy. So sacituzumab govitecan, one uses a moderately toxic cytotoxic load, not a highly toxic one. It has a very unique linker. It has a very high DAR, DAR of between 7.5 and 8 where most of the other TROP-2 ADCs are -- they have a different antibody. They have a stable linker. They have highly toxic toxins of different classes. Some are [ total ] inhibitors, but others are tubulin inhibitors and other mechanisms. So these are all new molecules. I think you're probably all aware that one of the molecules failed in Phase I just recently because of intolerable toxicity related to the linker-payload combination. So I do believe that with any active blockbuster drug, there'll be lots of people who try to capitalize on the target and the approach. I think the biggest competitor today is Daiichi Sankyo and AZ with DS-1062. And at this point, they still are behind substantially. So I like the position we're in. We fully expect there will be competition. The science will have to sort out. But we've had 2 big failures, one from Pfizer and now one from this Chinese company just recently, both in Phase I, both with stable linkers and very highly toxic toxins with lots of TROP-2-related toxicity that's just not tolerable by patients. So I haven't seen anything that really copies sacituzumab govitecan today. So I think we're quite differentiated.

Ziyi Chen

analyst
#36

Got it. Great. I think we're getting close to end of the call. I'm now going to turn the call back to Kerry for any closing remarks.

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#37

Okay. Just very quickly, thanks for all the questions. I'd like to thank you for joining us on the conference call today. We look forward to keeping everyone updated on our progress, and we look forward to demonstrating our business development acumen over the next several months. So thank you very much, and take care. Be careful.

Ziyi Chen

analyst
#38

Thank you, Kerry. Thank you, Ian. And thank you to the management team for attending the call. And thank you, everyone, for dialing into the call. We're definitely looking forward to more milestone events happening to Everest. So thank you very much for dialing in. Have a good day. Thank you.

Kerry Levan Blanchard

executive
#39

Thanks. Bye-bye.

Ian Ying Woo

executive
#40

Thanks, everybody. Bye-bye.

Operator

operator
#41

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.

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