Everpure, Inc. (P) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 1, 2021

New York Stock Exchange US Information Technology conference_presentation 31 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Jason Ader

analyst
#1

Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining our fireside chat. I'm Jason Ader from William Blair, and I'm pleased to introduce Charlie Giancarlo, Chairman and CEO of Pure Storage; and Kevan Krysler, CFO. Before we begin, I'm required to inform you that a complete list of research disclosures or potential conflicts of interest is available on our website at williamblair.com. Also, if you have questions, please put them in the chat, and I will get to as many of them as I can. With that out of the way, Charlie and Kevan, thanks for being with us today.

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#2

It's our pleasure. Look forward to speaking with you all.

Kevan Krysler

executive
#3

Great to be here.

Jason Ader

analyst
#4

Let's start out, I guess, with you, Charlie, on the takeaways from the Q1 report from last week.

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#5

You bet, and thank you. We are really pleased. We had a very, very strong Q1. And it was up 12% year-over-year, and that's over a very tough compare last year. We had a very strong Q1 last year because of the beginning of the COVID pandemic, which actually accelerated our sales in Q1 last year. So this year, Q1, which as, I think, most of the listeners know for us is February through April, was still under 100%, what I call, COVID rules, meaning that no real letup from everyone working at home, shelter in place in nearly all parts of the country and actually nearly all parts of the world. And despite that, a really strong Q1 for us. And we're seeing increasing strength. What was nice was that the strength was broad-based and balanced across our entire portfolio across the world, so all the theaters and a lot -- and all of our customer segments. Something else we saw, which was very welcome, was renewed strength in our commercial market. For those of you that have been listening to us quarter-by-quarter, you know that once COVID really took hold in the second quarter -- or second quarter last year, commercial really was much more highly affected than enterprise. And we started to see, if you will, glimmers of it coming back in our Q4, and it really came back quite strongly in our Q1. We also saw great strength from what we call our channel-sourced, that is -- that our channels were sourcing and initiating more and more of the sales with more and more customers. And with that contribution, we had 330 new customer adds in the quarter, which was 15% more than a year ago. And that was true across our product line. FlashBlade, for example, acquired more new customers at a faster rate than a year ago. And overall, over half of our new customer business was partner-sourced. And the last thing that I'll mention is that subscription services were really strong, up 35% year-over-year. As you all know, that's our Pure as-a-Service in our Evergreen subscription service, along with Cloud Block Store and Portworx. So we're continuing to see strong momentum there and strong momentum across our product line and, in particular, FlashArray//C bookings continued at our record pace, with both FlashBlade and Portworx continuing very strong momentum. So overall, a bang-up quarter. We think all the metrics are looking good for the remainder of the year.

Jason Ader

analyst
#6

All right. I want to get to some of the product-specific questions as we move through the Q&A here. But maybe before we go there, you mentioned the commercial segment showing improvement. What percentage of your business comes from commercial?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#7

It's a bit less than 50% now. We generally don't break it out with specific -- we did mention recently that enterprise is now over 50%. We expect that to continue. But commercial is still a very significant proportion of our business.

Jason Ader

analyst
#8

And the business has shifted over time really since the IPO towards the enterprise?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#9

Correct.

Jason Ader

analyst
#10

Can you just talk about why that's happened? That's obviously been intentional, I would think. But what's been behind that?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#11

Yes. In a scaled business such as ours, you would expect enterprise to be a bigger part of the business overall, right? So it's really based on 2 things: one is just our maturity as a company and the breadth of our product line, but the other part of it is purely operational on our part, that is, the investments that we made, both on the product line to be able to support the capabilities that enterprises expect as well as in our go-to-market teams to be able to support those large enterprises with those products and to be able to penetrate against very tough competition that's been in there -- the incumbents have been in there for a long period of time. So really, it's been those 2 investments that have allowed us to penetrate the enterprise. Now we're not -- we expect the commercial will continue to grow. And part of that is really developing our channel and our channel selling capability to take up, if you will, more of the weight of initiating and closing business in the commercial market.

Jason Ader

analyst
#12

Got you. Good. And let's talk about your subscription offerings. What are the -- what's the composition of your subscription services line? And maybe talk about each of those areas and what you're seeing in terms of adoption.

Kevan Krysler

executive
#13

Yes. Maybe I'll take that, Charlie. We -- again, as we've talked about, Jason, our largest category is going to be Evergreen subscription, which is attached really to every sale of array. And that provides customers the ability to continue to modernize their array throughout the lifetime of that array without requiring any type of disruptive upgrades. That offering continues to be running at scale, has -- I think our customers really appreciate the fact that they're utilizing these arrays for multiple years without having to worry about moving forward with a refresh or any type of disruptive upgrades. From there, we're seeing a significant amount of momentum with our Pure as-a-Service in unified subscription. It's important to -- in terms of highlighting the unified subscription that we are selling both the Pure as-a-Service, which is the on-prem subscription, as well as Cloud Block Store, which enables customers to move workloads either to AWS or to Microsoft Azure without having to have separate agreements or contracts, so the pricing, all the commercial terms, both for the on-prem capabilities as well as the cloud, are all embedded as part of one unified subscription. From there, we have Portworx, which, again, Portworx started as term-based licenses that, over time, we're also looking to increase the consumption-based business model for Portworx. That's much smaller in terms of financial contributions to the top line, but very important, obviously, for us from a strategic perspective.

Jason Ader

analyst
#14

Great. And let's talk about Portworx. The biggest acquisition you guys have made. What does it bring to Pure? And thus far, what's the market reception been?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#15

Let me start with the second part and then go to the first. So the market reception has been very strong. We could see that in several different metrics. One is that we're seeing both Pure customers as well as non-Pure customers continue to take advantage of the capability. And we're seeing it is while we offer a premium version of the product, and that the downloads on that have been really tremendous and that, of course, is a very good sign of things to come overall. We haven't given a lot of very -- of numeric metrics on Portworx, but we have indicated that in every quarter that we've had it so far that the product has sold well above its original -- the original plan of Portworx itself. And Q1, under Pure, was another very good quarter. And the last thing I'll mention is that we also announced at our //Accelerate conference just the last couple of weeks that we've now fully integrated Portworx into Pure, and that there are really 2 elements of that. One is Portworx is now completely monitorable and configurable through the Pure1 website, the Pure1 SaaS management platform that we have for all of our products. And secondly, now customers can utilize not only the Portworx software-defined storage to manage data on containers, but completely transparently, they can also use either FlashBlade or FlashArray, and data can be migrated from one to the other transparently to the application. So this allows customers a great growth path, from the initial, let's say, development with just a few developers using a very inexpensive, even a freemium model to test their applications on, all the way through high scale, high performance production levels on FlashArray and FlashBlade.

Jason Ader

analyst
#16

Great. And have you actually seen from your customers any kind of, let's call it, inflection point in demand when it comes to microservices and Kubernetes storage?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#17

We've seen an inflection point in terms of new developments. I wouldn't say an inflection point yet in terms of storage demand. But the vast majority now of enterprise development of new applications is taking place on containers and Kubernetes. So that's a very big inflection point. Of course, it takes time for developments to become full production, and it takes time for any new production to take on the scale to be truly noticeable, given the installed base of existing applications that customers have. But in terms of -- but I think that, of course, it is, if you will, the leading indicator of what's to come in the future because it's the vast majority of new developments now.

Jason Ader

analyst
#18

And just for the nontechnical folks in the crowd here, why do you need something like Portworx? Why can't you just use traditional storage?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#19

Yes, it's a great question and a nonobvious one. So I'm glad you asked the question. Containers are very different from both virtual machines and different from what's considered to be standard operating system-type environments in that because containers are based on microservices, and people shouldn't get confused. They could be -- containers could be used for any type of application, including databases. The fact that it's called microservices or the fact that they can be designed as microservices shouldn't be -- you should not allow that to confuse you. The big difference with containers though is that they come and go very, very rapidly. So whereas with a VM or a -- well, in the case of bare metal environment or operating system environment, systems get set up, and they stay that way for months, if not years, okay? In a VM environment, generally maybe days to weeks that an environment will stay consistent and stable for days or weeks and then be able to scale up and down over that period of time. In the case of containers, we're talking seconds, right, seconds to minutes to hours. Containers come and go very, very rapidly. Traditional storage systems are not designed to change their environment, to change what's connected to it, what's not connected to it in that shorter period of time, in seconds to minutes to hours. And so traditional storage systems typically don't have the capabilities of doing that. And so that's why you need high-performance systems, such as we have with FlashBlade or FlashArray, but also why the software-defined storage of Portworx was so special. So the container environment puts very different loads and expectations on storage systems and why not every storage system that was designed for VMs or traditional environments will work in a container environment.

Jason Ader

analyst
#20

And Portworx will connect into any cloud storage out there?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#21

It will. It's able to be utilized on top of any cloud and any cloud storage. That's correct.

Jason Ader

analyst
#22

Great. Okay. Just want to move on from a product standpoint moving into FlashBlade. And it seems like that product has just had a really good, I don't know, 12 to 18 months. Maybe talk about the drivers there. Is it AIML, is that the big thing that's created such a strong backdrop for demand for that product?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#23

AI and ML is perhaps the most unique demand for it or the demand that creates the most unique opportunity for FlashBlade because, really, it's almost alone in terms of its high-performance levels of pure data throughput that it can provide to those applications. But it's also been utilized in traditional analytics environment because of the ability to run many different analytics workloads on massive data sets that operate on FlashBlade. So we call it a data hub. It can sit in front of what are called data lakes to allow -- data lakes typically don't allow high-performance users of data. They can store a lot of it, but you don't get a lot of bandwidth out of it. So the FlashBlade can sit in front of that and provide a lot of performance to the applications that need to use the data there. And then finally, I'll mention that a very big driver to date has been the rapid restore capabilities that helps to battle ransomware. That's been a big use case for both FlashBlade and FlashArray//C, depending on the other requirements for the data that the customer might deploy.

Jason Ader

analyst
#24

One of the questions I think that comes up when you talk about big data and AIML is, there's so much hype and chatter around technologies like Snowflake and some of the AWS, Redshift and things like that. How come companies just don't do this in the cloud?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#25

I think there are different -- the reason is because there are different types of AI and ML workloads for companies. For short term or, let's say, for an analytics workload that is constantly shifting and changing, then -- or is short term in nature, you want to do an M analysis on a bit of data, but then -- but not keep it going, the cloud makes a lot of sense. But there are a lot of analytics and certainly a lot of machine learning environments where you're constantly learning on new data as it's coming in. And so it's not a -- it's not an ala carte use of data, it's something that is going to be constantly going. And in that case, there's no question that doing it on-prem, both from the standpoint of the cost of the machine learning itself from a compute standpoint but also the cost of managing the data that's going into that machine learning environment is just much more cost-effective and much more controllable than what you can do in the cloud.

Jason Ader

analyst
#26

All right. Great. And then moving on to FlashArray//C. Obviously, that's been a winner for you guys. What types of use cases does that product address? And are you seeing any cannibalization of the X Array by C?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#27

Yes. Let me address that second part first. We were -- of course, that's something that one is always concerned about when you're introducing a new product. And we have seen no cannibalization of X. So it really does address a very different market set than the X does. And just to repeat, X really focuses on primary -- what's called primary workloads in enterprise environments. What is the primary workload? Well, anything like a transaction database or an ERP environment. Those tend to be high-performance systems where you need to manage transactions on a very rapid basis. So that's where FlashArray//X goes. FlashArray//C is a lower performance but lower cost version of X that uses QLC and that's a product that has really found its calling in what are called secondary workloads. So these are 2 different areas. One is for secondary block workloads. So these can be lower-performance database systems, of which there are a lot out there. Or it could be a primary workload for a commercial customer that just doesn't have the same level of demand that they have on their transaction systems. The second area is on data center file stores, which generally don't have the same high performance required of databases, but they want a reasonable performance. And now we can replace on the order of 8 to 10 racks of disc storage for those file workloads to something the size of a microwave oven and provide even better performance than those hybrid disc environments.

Jason Ader

analyst
#28

Great. Let's move on to the competitive landscape. We have about 10 minutes left. [Operator Instructions] On the competitive landscape, and I think that's probably one of the main pushbacks I get on the company and on the stock is, "Oh, geez, it's such a competitive space." Now we're seeing Dell come out with a new mid-range array PowerStore. How should we think about the potential impact of the Dell intro here?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#29

Yes. We've seen no impact to PowerStore. In fact, we rarely see it in a competitive situation. And when we do, it's -- Dell rapidly replaces their offering with PowerMax. So PowerStore just operates at a much lower and smaller performance scale than we are generally involved with. We -- frankly, we don't see it. So it's not something that's been a great concern to us. We do -- it's quite interesting that while it is -- had been -- while it had been touted -- and remember, it was announced well over 2 years ago, it was introduced last year. We're still not seeing it really on the market. And while it was touted as a replacement for 4 different product lines and that would be upgradable nondisruptively, what we're seeing is that they are doing software upgrades for the product, and it requires a disruptive environment for the customer. So it's not living up to its promise. We don't see it generally in the market. When we do, they replace it with their higher-end product, PowerMax. So for us, it's still pretty much a nonentity.

Jason Ader

analyst
#30

Okay. And the other pushback, I think, I get -- the other kind of big pushback I get is, okay, you've got maybe the best product set in the space. But with the secular shift to cloud, how do I get over this sort of on-prem storage hardware being an investable space?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#31

Right. Well, as you heard earlier in our conversation, about 35% of our bookings now are subscription-based bookings. Some of that -- the growing part of that is cloud-based bookings for us, both Portworx as well as what we have with our unified subscription with Pure as-a-Service, so operating both on-prem and in the cloud. And then third is, I think if you were to look at both the market statistics as well as some of the most recent announcements, things like from Andreessen that says that, well, if you're in a start-up company, you'd be foolish not to be in the cloud, but if you're in a scaled company, you'd be foolish to be staying in the cloud because of cost, that there's going to be a balance between cloud and on-prem. Cloud is more expensive than on-prem for steady-state, large-scale costs. And so we believe that we're perfectly situated with a growing business in the cloud, but with -- and with a transparent service that's available both on-prem and in the cloud, making it possible for our customers to choose where to place their storage and when they place it there.

Jason Ader

analyst
#32

And the SaaS vertical, any update on the percentage of the business there and how that growth has gone?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#33

That has -- over the last year, that's grown consistent with our overall growth as a business. But we are seeing, I would say that we're optimistic that in fact, it may grow faster than that in the future. But currently growing at the same rate as a business. So about 30% is what we've said in the past.

Jason Ader

analyst
#34

Got you. And you've got ServiceNow and companies like that, that are in your customer base?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#35

That's right. Epic is a great public company that we've been able to reference.

Jason Ader

analyst
#36

Great. Let's switch over to the financials and get Kevan involved here. Kevan, can you talk about your outlook for revenue growth for the company?

Kevan Krysler

executive
#37

Sure. We're quite excited, obviously, to deliver a double-digit growth in Q1. And when we went back last quarter and provided an annual guide between 14% to 15%, we talked about the fact that we wouldn't be updating that and really focusing on one quarter at a time. But I also wanted to provide a little bit of context in terms of our overachievement since we over-delivered in Q1 from an achievement perspective, both on revenue and on operating profit. And you wanted to make sure folks understood how we were thinking about that overachievement, which we would view that as incremental, if you will, to our annual outlook. So we're very pleased with the start to Q1, which included overachievement as well as our guidance for Q2, which is another quarter of double-digit growth, really hoping to build off the momentum we've been seeing, frankly, since late last year carried through Q1. So...

Jason Ader

analyst
#38

Great. And then I know one of the key variables for a lot of companies right now is supply chain and whether they can get enough components, et cetera, to meet demand. Maybe talk about your supply chain situation right now and how that might impact the business, both from a revenue and a margin perspective?

Kevan Krysler

executive
#39

Yes. Charlie and I have been and continue to be so impressed with our supply chain team and the work that they're doing and the diligence in terms of navigating the various challenges, which, frankly, started with the onset of COVID back a year ago and continues through what we're seeing in broader-based supply chain constraints. We're also very pleased and appreciative of the supplier relationships that Pure has across the board with our vendors. And so what we're seeing at this point is very consistent with the themes that we've seen elsewhere. But look, there's, clearly, some constraints that we're seeing that is putting some inflationary pressure on some components. And what's interesting is every -- we need to be detailed at every component in terms of understanding that we can meet our customer needs. Generally, some of these smaller components have been nonissues. And now we're continuing to have diligence on every component that goes into the supply chain to make sure we can cover off on our needs for our customers, not only next quarter but in the future for Q3 and Q4 and beyond. In terms of revenue, we did mention in the general commentary that we did see some upward bias on the average selling price largely, which is a plus for us in terms of what we saw there now. Is that sustainable? That remains to be seen. But generally, with some of our competitors who are generally priced on cost plus, that does give us some advantage when we're selling on value to actually increase our average selling price. So I do feel a bit bullish on that front. And then obviously, on the gross margin front, especially product gross margins, yes, we do see some pressure on that, and that's why we gave some additional color specific to our overachievement on operating profit that some of that overachievement in Q1 we really moved to find or be considered as part of the additional supply chain costs that we expect to see for the remainder of the year.

Jason Ader

analyst
#40

Great. And then what's the outlook for operating margins from here? Are you expecting sort of a steady march upward in terms of operating margins over the next few years? Or are you guys going to continue to invest aggressively in the business and kind of keep a lid on -- that will keep a lid on operating margins?

Kevan Krysler

executive
#41

I think Charlie and my philosophy is very much a combination of both, really focused on continued innovation and investment, where it's important to invest and where we see the returns. Double-digit growth is a significant priority, and we believe that we can get back to these growth rates that we saw pre-COVID. But at the same time, I think there's a benefit for us to continue to drive more and more leverage in terms of operating profit, and that's a focus of both of ours as we continue on beyond this year, Jason.

Jason Ader

analyst
#42

Okay. Great. All right. Last question, Charlie, for you is, what do you think is the most underappreciated aspect of the Pure story?

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#43

Well, I think a large part of that has been the transition of the company just over the last 4 or 5 years from a single product into really a niche -- a high-performance niche environment to a multiproduct, a broad-based supplier now with full capabilities into the enterprise. I think that, that's been hidden, to some extent, by the pandemic that's taking place that has been, let's say -- has affected customers' willingness to try new things and new environments more than it would. And I think once -- and as COVID starts to recede and as customers start returning to the office, our ability to reach those customers with a broad product line that continues to have the highest Net Promoter Score in -- literally in IT across the board, I think customers are going to be really replacing more and more of their environment with the Pure portfolio.

Jason Ader

analyst
#44

Excellent. Well, thank you, guys so much for joining us, and thanks for everybody for coming into the Zoom, and have a great rest of the day.

Charles Giancarlo

executive
#45

Thank you.

Kevan Krysler

executive
#46

Thank you, Jason.

Jason Ader

analyst
#47

Take care.

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