EyePoint, Inc. (EYPT) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 2, 2025
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Yigal Nochomovitz
analyst[Audio Gap] with EyePoint. [Operator Instructions] and welcome as well to those listening on the webcast. I'm Yigal Nochomovitz, biotech analyst here at Citi. So I have the pleasure to introduce senior management from EyePoint Pharmaceuticals, Jay Duker, CEO; George Elston, CFO. Welcome, both of you. Thank you very much for making the time to chat.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystSo obviously, a very busy time for the company and for the wet AMD space. So I think just to start out, why don't you -- Jay, if you could spend just a few minutes just introducing the company, the therapy you're advancing, the key trials, obviously, in Phase III trials in wet AMD, and then we can get into a lot more detail from there.
Jay Duker
executiveSure. Thank you, and thanks, everybody, for coming. EyePoint does drug delivery to the back of the eye. We've had 4 FDA-approved products with our technology. The latest technology is a fully bioerodible insert that contains vorolanib, which is a small molecule tyrosine kinase inhibitor that has activity against all the VEGF receptors. We're in Phase III in 2 trials for wet age-related macular degeneration, which is the largest market of all the retinal vascular diseases, about $10 billion a year in the United States alone. We recently announced that we are fully enrolled in both of those trials. They are identical trials, which primary endpoint is noninferiority change in visual acuity against on-label aflibercept control. So we are very excited generally where we are right now. As I said to many people, if we had mapped it out 4 years ago, when I first joined the company full time that this is where we would be. At this point, I would have said very low probability success. But here we are, and that's because we really had a great, great group of -- who are able to execute on all these milestones that we've achieved, including this enrollment for these 2 trials. Each of the trials enrolled at approximately 7 months, which are the fastest enrolling wet AMD trials on record. One of the reasons, of course, is that we had really good Phase II data in wet AMD, which was helpful for the sites to convince patients that this is a trial that they might want to enroll in. And of course, it also, I think, speaks very well for our potential commercial success and that a sustained release insert that releases drug therapeutically for 6 months or longer with a single injection is something that's very attractive to both patients and practitioners.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystWell, I was going to ask what you attribute to the speed of enrollment. You sort of sort of got to that already?
Jay Duker
executiveI did. Sorry, I should have paused until you asked your question.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystNo problem.
Jay Duker
executiveThere are other reasons though and our Chief Medical Officer, Ramiro Ribeiro, who's here, I need to give him and his team full credit here. Ramiro's experience, he's run Phase III retina trials internationally before his experience and his ability to lead a team, I think, has been very helpful in our success. But the fact that we did run a Phase II trial and we learned a lot of lessons from the Phase II, not just got great results, top line and safety. But we learned about how our drug works. We learned about the statistics of the trial. And I have to say, at the beginning, especially, we made a few mistakes, and we learned from the mistakes. And towards the end of the enrollment in the Phase II, we were enrolling very rapidly. And we took those lessons and applied them to the Phase III. Our Phase III program, again, we took a derisked view of this, meaning we did a noninferiority type trial design, which is how the last 4 approvals in wet AMD were structured. And we were able to really connect with the retina community based on our data and based on our personnel and based on what we call the patient-centric focus of the trials. Everybody in the trial gets treated. We have rescue criteria or supplemental injection criteria, which means if a patient was losing vision in either arm, either the treatment arm or the Eylea arm, they could get a supplement injection to help ensure that they don't lose vision in the long term. These are the type of things that doctors and patients are very appreciative of.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystSpeaking of the rescue criteria, just if you could go into a little bit more detail on how those rescue criteria sync up with how one would behave with a patient in a real-world setting and how closely that aligns?
Jay Duker
executiveSo let me start by saying that the idea of a rescue criteria, supplement criteria is relatively new. The sustained release treatments, all of them, which started to be studied several years ago in the Phase I contained supplement or rescue criteria, meaning if a patient wasn't doing well by some measure, they could receive an extra injection. The problem, as you point out, Yigal, indirectly there is, if you say, how does that correspond to the real world? It doesn't. None of us, and I am still a practicing retina specialist, none of us use strict criteria in deciding whether to either give a patient an extra injection or shorten the interval between injections. And the reason is we individualize therapy. And we have a patient sitting in front of us depending on whether their vision is good or bad, whether the other eye is involved, whether they perceive a problem or not, there are social issues around intervals. Some patients just cannot get treated every month even if they need it. So that idea of a supplemental injection or rescue injection is not something we use in the real world. But it is something that you need to ascribe in order to get these trials done and have them given the FDA sign off. Interestingly, if you look at these trials, you'll realize that the supplement criteria is different with different trials and with different companies. That is because at this point, the FDA acknowledges that there's not a standard out there and allows sponsors to determine their rescue criteria. So a little more detail around that. In the Phase II, we had a lot of different rescue criteria, and Ramiro and his team took a look at the Phase II data and asked the question, which of the rescues actually made a difference and improved the visual acuity? And it came down to just one, 5-letter loss from best on-study associated with 75 microns of new fluid on OCT. That was the single important rescue criteria we came out with for the Phase III. In addition, in the Phase II, we allow doctors discretion to do a rescue and about 20% of the rescues in the Phase II didn't meet any of the criteria. Doctors just decided they wanted to do another injection. We're not allowing that in the Phase III. We also have a rescue criteria for new hemorrhage in an eye that is site-threatening due to wet AMD. That, however, we like the sites to adjudicate with a rescue monitor, meaning if they see a new hemorrhage, we'd like them to take a picture of it, and we have rescue monitors on call to talk to them within minutes about whether or not it's an appropriate rescue. And we'd say, well, why did you do it that way? Simple. When Ramiro's team took a look at the rescues in the Phase II due to hemorrhage, there were 9 of them in all 3 arms total, 6 of them either didn't have a hemorrhage or the hemorrhage wasn't site-threatening or the hemorrhage wasn't due to wet AMD. So again, we'd like to minimize the number of rescues in the Phase III while not sacrificing vision and hence, the changes that I just spoke about.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystSo there are 2 Phase III trials, and they're kind of almost concurrent essentially, one in the readout. So just remind us when the readouts are expected?
Jay Duker
executiveSo the first trial is called Lugano. We announced last patient in the end of May. We expect the top line data release to be sometime mid-summer 2026. The Lucia trial was several months later. We announced last patient in, in the end of July. So we should have about approximately 2 months between the top line from the 2 trials, both in 2026 in approximately 1 year or less.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystAnd as you pointed out, it's a non-inferiority study, both are, and there's a margin, which you've talked about before. So obviously, you have to achieve that. What else, though, besides just hitting on the primary endpoint would kind of capture success for you for these studies?
Jay Duker
executiveYes. In the end, I think it is rather simple. We need to be statistically noninferior to the Eylea control arm and the non-inferior margin that we were given is minus 4.5 letters. In the Phase II, the lower limit of the non-inferiority margin for both study arms was around 2.6 letters. So we were very far from the minus 4.5 letters. In addition, we need to show continued safety, and that's one other big advantage that we've had. We've treated over 190 patients with our drug between 1 Phase I and 3 Phase II trials, and we've had no ocular or systemic SAEs attributable to the drug or the insert, and we've had no safety signals attributable to the drug or the insert. So we're quite pleased with the safety. We did make an announcement just recently that our Data Safety Monitoring Committee had met in the Phase IIIs and recommended no change in the protocol. And at the same time, taking a look at the masked data from both trials, there doesn't appear to be any safety issue that would not be expected in a typical wet AMD trial. So that's the second thing, continued safety, which we're optimistic. And in addition, we need to show a reduction in treatment burden. In other words, compared to the Eylea control arm, how many injections did the study arms get, and we need to show a reduction in that. In the Phase II, the reduction in treatment burden was measured in several ways, and it was about an 80% reduction. That's really good. And if you ask KOLs, what type of reduction they'd like to see from a sustained release insert that's bioerodible, they'll tell you around 50% is good. We certainly hope to do better than that. But we think if we're non-inferior, safe and we have at least a 50% reduction in treatment burden, then we will have a very successful commercial drug.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystSo that sort of gets into how this would be deployed in the real world. What are you thinking in terms of the expected interval whether it's, as you point out, the reduction in the background use of one of the anti-VEGFs or if it turns out that you could even go as long as 6 months between the Duravyu administration? How -- another way of asking it is just how do you see this being integrated into the management of wet AMD? I mean, we've talked about this before. There's many ways that could be done and different retina physicians are going to take maybe different philosophies. But so if you could kind of talk through that, that would be really good?
Jay Duker
executiveSo I think, again, to get to review the data, we had about 2/3 of eyes make it 6 months -- up to 6 months after our insert went into Phase II without supplement. And with just one injection, we didn't repeat the injection of Duravyu in the Phase II, 50% went a full year. So we know in a tough-to-treat wet AMD population, probably 50% of the eyes or maybe greater could go a full year with our drug. But we chose a 6-month interval for several reasons. First of all, we're pretty confident that in humans based on animal data, that we will have a therapeutic level of vorolanib for at least 6 months in virtually everybody. We also believe by 9 months, the drug should be pretty much fully alluded in just about everybody. That 6-month interval gives doctors more flexibility. For example, if I have a patient who I am treating with Duravyu, and I'm watching them and at month 7, they get fluid. If we have a 6-month label, obviously, they can retreat with their Duravyu. If we had a 9-month label or 12-month label, they couldn't. They wouldn't get paid to do it, be off label and the payers wouldn't pay for it. So how it's going to get integrated into practice? I think at a high level, you can think about the same way that doctors treat wet AMD now. There's basically 3 strategies. The most overwhelming strategy right now is what's called treat and extend, which means you get the patient as dry as you can get them and you then try to extend out the interval between shots until you see fluid again and then you back off and that's called the fluid-free interval, and you pretty much stick with it. And most patients, at least in the short term, will -- can be adequately treated using that method. The problem is in the long term, patients still lose vision. They miss visits. They're probably still undertreated despite our belief in this strategy. And so if you look at the long-term visual acuity results, the #1 reason why patients lose vision in wet AMD is undertreatment. So that's one strategy. The other strategy, which is rarely used now is called PRN or as needed, which means you see that patient every month, but you only treat them when you see fluid. The problem with that is you're essentially letting the eyes recur. And in wet AMD, recurrences are bad. We believe that if you continue to let fluid come back, patients lose vision. So unless the patient requests it, most doctors don't treat that way. And then the third way is put them on a schedule. I think the pharma companies realized at the beginning that retina specialists like to individualize therapy and they don't read labels. And so it's very few who right now automatically use Lucentis every month or use Eylea every other month automatically or Vabysmo and high-dose Eylea have 4-month labels. I don't think there's anybody that I know of who automatically goes 4 months. They need to -- the patient needs to prove that they can get out that long. And if you look at the trials and look at the real world, 50% of patients on even Vabysmo or high-dose Eylea still need treatment more frequently than every 8 weeks. So it's probably a patient-specific thing, not a treatment-specific thing. So putting someone on a schedule in that sense may not make sense. But I actually think that may be the way we do get used more than the other 2 methods. So if you look at our data from the Phase II and you ask the question, what percentage of patients could be treated with just our drug or 1 or 2 Eyleas for a year. Now again, we need to extrapolate because obviously, we didn't reinject in the Phase II. But if that data holds, you could treat 90% of patients a priority by altering your treatment every 3 months with 2-milligram Eylea and Duravyu. Make it really simple, just put everybody on a schedule. You know exactly when they're going to come in, you might be overtreating some patients, but I think they're using the 2 MOAs in this fashion because vorolanib does have a different MOA, I think that would be advantageous. So I think going back, it's a long answer to your question. You're going to see all 3 of those methods used till doctors get comfortable with how our drug works in the real world.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystAnd another important real world question is a pharmacoeconomic one, obviously, which is price. So anything you want to comment on that? Or is it a bit too early to say much?
Jay Duker
executiveMaybe a little too early to say much, but I think the simple way if you're modeling the pharmacoeconomics is to think about if the studies hold. One Duravyu is approximately equivalent to 3 Eyleas. And we would expect that, that's a model that could be used as a baseline to model the cost. If we have additional benefit and the additional benefit would be, we hope, better treatment outcomes in the long term, we may also see additional benefit. We've got some preclinical data that suggests that our drug is neuroprotective. It may also be antifibrotic because we block PDGF. And it also may lead to less atrophy, which all of these 3 things we're going to be looking at in the pivotal trials. So if we can show any of those things, I think that we would be able to price it even more of a premium.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystBy the way, I should have clarified before. Those 2 studies, Lugano and Lucia, they're essentially identical trials, correct?
Jay Duker
executiveThey are essentially identical. I think the only difference is PK sampling from the serum. That's it.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystOkay. Okay. And of course, you -- I think you've made the statement in the last several quarters that you now expect to be -- you expect to be first to file amongst the other companies that are developing these long-acting inserts. Is that sort of still an accurate statement?
Jay Duker
executiveI think it's quite accurate. And every day that passes increases my confidence in that statement. To go back in time, we dosed the first patient with Duravyu a little over 4.5 years ago in a Phase I. So we've subsequently done 1 Phase I, 3 Phase IIs and fully enrolled 2 Phase IIIs in about 4.5 years. So we've executed really well. But going back 4.5 years ago, we were in last place. There was a race of multiple companies trying to do sustained release in wet AMD. We're now lapped the field, and we strongly believe we're in the first place. Why? Because we're going to have last patient out of next summer. And we should be able to file, we hope, by the end of next year. And even with a standard type of review, which we hope will be eligible for a quicker review, we're optimistic that we should be able to launch this drug, if approved, by the end of 2027. Our nearest competitor, they're all still enrolling their Phase III. And so when you do the math on when they're likely to finish their second trials, we think we're at least 6 months, if not a year ahead of the nearest competitor.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystLet's talk a little bit about another sort of commercial topic, which is super important, and your manufacturing facility is just down the street figuratively speaking...
Jay Duker
executiveNot in a high-rent district here. No, we're not on Newbury street. It's a little more than down the street. It's in Massachusetts.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystSo tell us about the CGMP facility and what the capacity is there? And how much of the market you could supply?
Jay Duker
executiveSo first of all, we don't believe we have any exposure to tariffs. We manufacture this here in the United States. As Yigal said, it is not right down the street. But if you drive an hour west of here, you'll see a very nice bucolic town called Northbridge, Massachusetts, and that's where our facility for manufacture is. Our API is also, by the way, made in the United States. Northbridge was conceived about 4 years ago when we realized that if we were going to be successful, we would need a commercial facility dedicated to making these inserts. It's 41,000 square feet CGMP for both Europe and the United States, 8 large clean rooms. And at capacity, we believe we should be able to make close to 1 million inserts a year in this facility. That should be able to supply even -- well, maybe not our wildest expectations, but let's call, above our base case expectations, should easily be able to supply the entire world with these inserts. We are in the midst of preparing for a potential launch by upgrading the facility, getting it ready to go 5 or even 7 days a week with 2 shifts. We are in the midst of doing registration batches there now and preparing, of course, for the FDA inspection for preapproval. So all of this, again, is all mapped out and so far on target, and we're quite optimistic that not only will the facility be acceptable to the FDA, but it will be able to supply us and the world with enough of these inserts to be quite successful.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystAnd can you describe to everyone listening and here in the room, just how does this actually work with these inserts because obviously, with the traditional anti-VEGF, it was -- you draw it up from the vial, but here you have physical drug delivery device. So how -- what is the structure of that injection? And how does the physician do it?
Jay Duker
executiveSure. So I mentioned that we had 4 FDA-approved products prior to Duravyu. And essentially, what we can do is take the API and put it into a matrix that holds the API together. All the prior approvals, the API was very soluble. So if you just injected it as is into the eye, we go really fast. So we needed to wrap it in a non-erodible shell made of polyamide and the shell had pores and that allowed the drug to diffuse out. Duravyu does not have polyamide. There is no shell to it. It's all drug and matrix. And in fact, we've been able to make process improvements so that the inserts now are 94% drug, only 6% matrix. So at 9 months, the drug load should be completely spent. In that matrix, we designed it so that the matrix would hold the drug together for the -- until the drug load is gone because you need to control release till the end. You don't want free floating drug particles in the eye. That matrix is fully bioerodible and should go away in several more months. So there are cylindrical-shaped inserts that are preloaded into a sterile syringe injector. It's actually quite simple for the doctors. It's shipped and stored at room temperature. It doesn't have to be frozen or refrigerated like our competitors. It does not contain any PEG. If you had followed some of the issues around the potential of PEG causing inflammation in eyes, we don't have PEG. We also don't have PLGA. So the studies that we've done preclinically and obviously, I talked about the clinical studies have really shown no safety issues at all. So it's quite simple, shift and sort of room temperature, open up the package, take off a cap, take out a wire, remove another cap and you're ready to go. And one of the interesting things we've learned as we've really prepared the market for potential approval is that even the large retina groups who one would think is really concerned mostly about cost and the potential for fewer injections, that's not their #1 concern. Their #1 concern is don't slow down our doctors. Don't have a product that requires mixing, defrosting or obviously get a J code as quickly as possible, which we know all about in order to be commercially successful. So that idea of not interfering with the flow of these busy retinal clinics, we think we fit that bill really, really well.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystAnd speaking of this practice dynamic of not slowing down the physicians in terms of the overall use of the anti-VEGFs, and we've gotten this question, and I probably asked you this question before, but some investors have asked, does it -- would it impact the overall use of the anti-VEGFs? You mentioned the 3 different approaches. It sounds like a lot of that would -- there'd be a lot of averaging out, so to speak, in terms of use of Eylea or Lucentis and it wouldn't really change that in a sense. Is that fair or...
Jay Duker
executiveI think it'd be fair to say that there would be some patients whose -- if we're successful, whose usage of the other branded drugs would be less. How many doctors and patients choose to go every 6 months on our drug alone remains to be seen, even though it looks like again if the Phase II data holds, about 2/3 of the wet AMD population probably could be managed with our drug alone. But the idea of using a second MOA together, that's really been part of medicine in chronic disease treatment all over the body for years. And in ophthalmology, you look at glaucoma therapy, they mix drops with different MOAs all the time. So ophthalmologists are used to this idea of 2 MOAs. Doctors have no lack of patients needing injections right now. They want more flexibility in their ability to control the rate of injections and especially with the rise in the anticomplement drugs, there is just so many injections that need to be done out there. There's also pressure in the retina community to continue to be the deliverers of injections in the United States. If the volume can't be handled by retinal specialists, there's a worry that non-retina specialists would become the main deliverers of the injections. And that's something that I think the retina community is cognizant of and truly believe that it should be in the retina specialists' hands because they're the best ones to be able to judge the efficacy of the injection as well as deal with any potential complications. So again, a long-winded answer to say it doesn't seem to be an issue around retina specialists feeling like this is going to be taking away injections from them. They're not worried.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystAnd so you mentioned the capacity globally. What -- the study -- the 2 Phase IIIs, could they support or what is the plan to support the filing in Europe or even other territories?
Jay Duker
executiveSo we did announce that the EMA did approve our protocol, and we did have European sites in the second study. Approximately 20% of the second study was enrolled OUS, enrolled very rapidly, again, showing how excited the doctors outside the U.S. were about the possibility of fewer injections. That also because EMA approval of a protocol, obviously, it doesn't guarantee that you get approved as a product, even if you have positive data, but it is a closer step for that and that the EMA, my understanding is that they not just look at is the protocol safe, is it likely to show good data, but is this a potentially approvable product in Europe? And we believe with good data, we will be approvable there as well as the rest of the world.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystSo the filing for Europe would be staggered or how...
Jay Duker
executiveStrategically, we're in an interesting time right now in that we know that our value is primarily in the United States, and we are confident that we can launch this drug ourselves successfully in the United States. What our European strategy will be, I think, will also depend on some of the external things that are happening in the world. And we will be prepared from a regulatory situation to have a launch in Europe. Whether we do launch all across Europe or we'll get a partner to do that or we'll only selectively launch in certain countries, those are all options that we're weighing at this point. So we will be prepared for us or potentially a partner to launch OUS.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystOkay. Let's shift gears a little bit because you have also done work in diabetic macular edema, DME. So can you just summarize the data that we've seen there? And I know that there's the potential to start a pivotal, but you're not quite pulling the trigger on that yet. So explain the reasons for that and when you might be willing to go in that direction.
Jay Duker
executiveSure. Well, the DME trial is a Phase II, the VERONA trial. We tested -- this is the first trial that we did the higher payload insert in. So we tested 2 doses, 2.7 milligrams and 1.3 milligrams against Eylea control. This is the first trial that we did where all the patients had active disease. In fact, they couldn't be enrolled unless they had fluid and they had decreased vision, and they couldn't have received an injection within 2 months of enrollment of screening. So based on the excellent results we got, we're very confident in our drug's ability to treat DME because this was all an active population. The primary endpoint was time to first rescue, which both arms of Duravyu did better than the Eylea control. But also from a visual acuity perspective, one of the really fascinating things is both arms of the Duravyu showed significantly better vision and significantly better drying effect at 4 weeks than Eylea did. So if this holds, if we can be non-inferior to Eylea, but we can get the same result Eylea gets, but it takes them 5 or 6 months to get the patients dry and better vision, and we can do it in 4 weeks, we are going to have a huge competitive advantage. If you look at the subgroup analysis from the VERONA trial, just look at the patients in the high-dose 2.7 milligrams who didn't receive a supplement, which over 70% did not. They gained well over 10 letters, and EYLEA usually gains naive about 8 letters. And they had 120 microns less fluid. So there is really a significant drying effect in this population that correspond with the improved visual acuity, giving us, again, confidence that this drug works really well in an active DME population. With respect to the pivotal trials, we are really focused on wet AMD right now as a company. And we want to make sure that given how well things are going with the wet AMD trials and how well things went with the Phase II that we make sure that we do not put any of the wet AMD aspect of the company at risk, which means if we said -- as we said publicly, we do expect to run a pivotal program in DME, and we expect the first patient to be dosed sometime in 2026. We've had a successful end of Phase II meeting with the FDA, and we're quite pleased with the way things came out. And we will, later on this fall, update about the type of protocol that we're going to run in DME, but first patient in will be a '26 event.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystAnything more specific you want to convey on the end of Phase II meeting in terms of what they suggested regarding the business end of the study?
Jay Duker
executiveAgain, I think more specifically, we have said this, the end of the trial can be significantly less than wet AMD. And the agreement around control group, once again, the FDA reiterated, if you want to do a non-inferiority trial, you must do it against on-label Eylea, which means randomization on day 1 before the first Eylea dose is given. And that's what we -- our expectations were, but they did reiterate that.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystOkay. And in order to do that, would you need to raise additional capital? Or what's the -- George, maybe you can chime in on that part?
George Elston
executiveYes. So our current cash guidance is into 2027. It does exclude the actual trial costs for DME. And so I think between now and sometime into Q1, we'll have sorted out, and it will be part of our design and plan and how we talk about the Phase III pivotal design.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystOkay. But there are other some other retinal diseases that you have looked at as well beyond the 2 we've discussed. So can you comment on those, NPDR, for example. There are others?
Jay Duker
executiveYes. So we did a trial on NPDR, nonproliferative diabetic retinopathy, which is a disease that does not typically carry a decrease in vision. There's no edema. There's no vitreous hemorrhaging with NPDR. And there are 2 approved products, Lucentis and 2-milligram Eylea are both approved for NPDR, but almost nobody uses them. The market penetration is about 2%. And the reason is frequent injections and the fact that doctors are optimistic that should a patient show a site-threatening complication like the development of DME, then they can just treat with anti-VEGFs at that point. Our trial did show a reduction in the number of patients who got worse DME, but we didn't hit the primary endpoint. The primary endpoint was improvement in NPDR based on the fundus photograph. So given that result, it's not that we probably couldn't get a label for NPDR using another endpoint. But given the market size, the size of the study that we needed to run, we made the conclusion that from a financial perspective, it didn't make any sense to continue with an NPDR program.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystOkay. And now as far as catalysts and other things, of course, everyone loves catalysts. You've already talked about the big one, which is the Phase III data that's coming next summer. But ahead of that, what are the sort of intermediate updates might we get? What's your presence going to be at some of the eye meetings, just to fill in the gap between now and the big reveal?
Jay Duker
executiveI think we're going to have great presence at eye meetings, including Retina Society in 2 weeks where we're going to have a little bit more of the DME data to show. The EU Retina Meeting is occurring starting tomorrow. And later in the week, I'll be off there. We have some presentations at the EU Retina Meeting as well. Other catalysts include we will -- or we plan on updating the safety. After the DSMB meets again, we'll give some update on safety. And probably at the beginning of next year at some meetings, we will start to show some of the pool demographic data of the Phase III trials. At some point this fall, we do expect to talk more about the DME program and give a little more color around the actual study design and when we expect to dose the first patient.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystThat reminds me of something else. You mentioned pooled. So when you show the data for Lucia and Lugano -- or Lugano and Lucia, I guess, is the order, is it going to be all at once? Are you going to have each one separately? Or is that TBD?
Jay Duker
executiveWe're planning on doing them separately. No reason in our mind to hold the Lugano data once we know it. And given how soon the 2 studies are together, we think that there's advantage to really show them one at a time.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystAnd then once you have one -- can you -- is it going to be like a rolling BLA? Or you just wait to do both? Or how does that work?
Jay Duker
executiveTechnically, when you say rolling NDA, we may or may not have permission from FDA to do what they'd call a rolling submission. But we're rolling the preparation now. We have some of the modules written already because they're preclinical and the data is not going to change. We know what they are. So from an internal perspective, we're rolling the preparation. And this gives us another advantage because assuming Lugano is positive, I think it's highly likely Lucia will be as well, given that they're identical trials. So we can start to write the clinical modules from the Lugano data, and that is dumped the Lucia data in, which I believe will give us another kick start to getting the NDA in quickly.
Yigal Nochomovitz
analystAwesome. All right. Well, thank you again. Great progress. Appreciate the time, both of you. We look forward to the meetings and then the data, of course.
Jay Duker
executiveThanks, everybody, for listening.
George Elston
executiveThanks very much.
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full-text search, and the recently-added /api/v1/transcripts/recent polling endpoint for ETL pipelines.