Assicurazioni Generali S.p.A. (G) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 7, 2026

Borsa Italiana IT Financials Insurance earnings 59 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good afternoon. I'm the conference operator for Chorus Call. We're glad you could be with us for the Generali Group half year 2026 results presentation, and welcome. Just a reminder that everyone is in listen-only mode for now. Following the presentation, you'll have a chance to ask questions. If you need help at any point during this call, you can reach an operator by pressing star and zero on your phone. Now I'll hand the conference over to Mr. Fabio Cleva, Head of Investor and Rating Agencies Relations. Sir, the floor is yours.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#2

Hi, everyone, and thanks for being on our first half 2026 results call. Joining us today are Group CEO Philippe Donnet; Deputy Group CEO Giulio Terzariol; Group General Manager Marco Sesana; and Group CFO Cristiano Borean. Before we open it up for Q&A, I'll pass things to Philippe for a few opening remarks.

Philippe Donnet

executive
#3

I appreciate the opportunity to speak, Fabio, and I want to thank everyone for being on this call. Once again, Generali's outstanding financial results for the first half of 2026 show the strength, profitability, and very solid capital position of our group. We are now at the halfway point in executing Lifetime Partner 27: Driving Excellence, and these results strengthen our confidence in our capacity to successfully deliver our fourth strategic plan in a row. I will concentrate on five key messages. First, we delivered a strong performance across all key metrics, thanks to the robust contribution of every business segment. Gross written premium came to €53.4 billion, an increase of 5.8% from half-year 2025, driven by both life and property casualty. The operating result saw excellent growth to €4.5 billion, up 11.2%, again thanks to all business segments. This produced a 13.7% improvement in the adjusted net result to €2.5 billion, which led to adjusted earnings per share growth of 14.3%. Thanks to our sound capital generation, we end the second quarter with a very solid Solvency II ratio at 216%, notwithstanding the impact of the €500 million buyback and the end of the subordinated bond grandfathering regime. Second, our life business kept up a very positive growth trajectory, with the operating result rising to €2.2 billion, up 8.8%.

Philippe Donnet

executive
#4

We saw very strong net inflows, coming in above €8.3 billion. That marks a record for a first half, and it was delivered thanks to positive contributions from every business line. New business value climbed significantly, up 21.1% to €1.9 billion, helped both by higher volumes and by better overall profitability. Our new business margin widened materially to 5.86%, driven mainly by the favorable impact of a better new business mix and improved product features. Third, the property and casualty operating result increased 4.7% to more than €2.1 billion. That came despite an extra core? €425 million in natural catastrophe and man-made claims relative to the first half of 2025. The combined ratio came in at 91.5% versus 91% at half-year 2025, with NatCat accounting for a 3.6 percentage point impact. The natural catastrophes seen this year, among them the recent severe wildfires in Spain and France, underscore even more how important it is to close protection gaps and strengthen climate change preparedness around the world. For July 2026 on its own, our preliminary assessment is that NatCat affected our business by roughly €300 million, plus approximately 60 additional million euros tied to man-made events. Beyond large-loss events, the present inflationary trend is another factor we will take into account in our pricing, especially in non-motor.

Philippe Donnet

executive
#5

Fourth, asset and wealth management posted solid expansion in operating result, up 31.3% versus a year earlier. Both asset management and Banca Generali contributed through strong underlying performance. That segment accounted for roughly 16% of the group operating result, which highlights how a diversified, integrated business model pays off. Turning to my fifth and last point: since executing and delivering our plan stays at the top of our priorities, we're also continuing to build out our capabilities in the key growth areas of our strategy. On that note, let me spend a few words on Radian, the new brand for a global care platform. Radian unites leading capabilities in employee benefits, assistance, health, and mobility, and it serves multinational companies, financial institutions, and millions of customers worldwide. Its annual business volumes exceed €5.8 billion, it has more than 12,000 employees, and it operates in over 190 countries. In this field, Radian ranks among the very few genuinely global players — it is the leading employee benefits network and the second-largest player in travel insurance and assistance. We aim to build further on those leadership positions and to become the world's premier care partner. Radian distinguishes itself through its scale as well as its technology.

Philippe Donnet

executive
#6

This is an insurtech platform powered by data and AI, one that merges Generali's scale and strength with the speed and creativity of top digital companies. On that foundation, we're now expanding embedded insurance — a fresh B2B2C growth engine delivering seamless protection inside our partners' digital journeys, spanning travel and e-commerce through to financial services. That lets us convert our worldwide distribution ties into a new and ever more valuable wellspring of profitable growth. Long-term structural growth drivers work in our business model's favor: growing appetite for travel insurance and assistance, employee benefits, and embedded and integrated service ecosystems. That's exactly why we feel genuinely confident and enthusiastic about what lies ahead for Radian, and naturally we'll give you regular updates as it develops. To wrap up, how well we performed during this year's first six months mirrors disciplined execution across our three key strategic priorities: excellence in customer relationships, in core capabilities, and in our group operating model. What's more, the insurance sector trends our plan is built on are showing themselves to be ever more relevant, with a few of them even speeding up. That holds especially for new needs stemming from major long-term social and environmental shifts, among them an aging population and insufficient public health care; the protection gap tied to more extreme weather events caused by climate change; and shifting customer expectations propelled by market and technological change.

Philippe Donnet

executive
#7

This setting keeps shifting all the time, so we have to remain nimble, keep innovating, and think ahead — that way we can lead and provide enduring value both to our customers, as their partner for life, and to every stakeholder as a standalone group. Three foundations support the plan, and they matter greatly here: our skilled workforce, together with the disciplined rollout of AI and data, is enabling our business units to reinforce core technical strengths in underwriting, while also delivering further gains in service quality for customers and distribution partners. On top of that, we keep showing how solid and consistent our sustainability work is. The Financial Times just named us among Europe's climate leaders, and Time and Newsweek put us in their rankings of the world's most sustainable and greenest companies. Such meaningful recognitions fill us with pride and push us to keep pursuing profitable growth even harder, while backing a green and just transition and building stronger societal resilience. Last, before we begin the Q&A, I have some good news: on November 18th we'll host an Investor Day in London. There we can give you another update on how our plan is being executed and also present several of our strategic initiatives in detail.

Philippe Donnet

executive
#8

In the next few weeks, you'll get all the specifics, and we can't wait to see you there. Once more, many thanks for the ongoing interest you've shown in Generali; my colleagues and I are now glad to take your questions.

Operator

operator
#9

Thank you. Speaking is the Chorus Call conference operator. Our question-and-answer session starts now. If you'd like to pose a question, press star and one on your touchtone phone. Should you want to drop out of the queue, press star and two. We ask that you please use handsets while asking questions. At this point, anybody with a question can press star and one. Michael Huttner of Berenberg has the first question.

Michael Huttner

analyst
#10

Great, thanks a lot. I've got two questions — one's a bit cheeky. On the previous call, I believe Giulio mentioned that he takes the metro fairly regularly over to UniCredit to talk business, sales and that sort of thing. Naturally, Allianz is reporting today as well, and unfortunately for them, they've lost the UniCredit franchise. Is that the one you'll be picking up, or do plans exist on that front? Whatever you could share would be quite interesting. The second one is more standard. You mentioned inflation and pricing. Could you give us some figures on the inflation we're seeing? My sense is that inflation has picked up while pricing still lags, but I don't know how you're viewing it. Thank you.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#11

Thanks a lot, Michael. I’ll start with a question for Philippe, and then I have a second one for Giulio and Marco.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#12

Hold on, my apologies, Philippe. What I actually said wasn’t that I visit UniCredit frequently. My point was that UniCredit, Allianz, and Generali are separated by five train stops. That’s the distinction, all right? No,

Philippe Donnet

executive
#13

We already conduct a substantial amount of business with UniCredit — that includes bancassurance distribution across Central and Eastern Europe, plus some asset management business too. Without question, we'd be glad to grow what we do with them, and we'd likewise be glad to look into any other sorts of business opportunities, whether in Italy or outside Italy.

Michael Huttner

analyst
#14

Alright.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#15

Regarding pricing conditions, here’s what we observed during the first six months. In motor, pricing is essentially holding up quite well relative to the risk premium, and we have a modest positive spread. Turning to loss trends, inflation is broadly consistent with last year’s level. We’re talking about inflation running between 4 and 5%, though frequency is also declining. You may recall that in the first quarter we mentioned frequency had risen somewhat, but that also reflected the difference in weather-related events between the first quarter 2026 and the first quarter 2025. With the six months now behind us, we’re seeing that normalization. On inflation, I’d say it is very stable relative to last year. On frequency, I’d also say we are still seeing a decrease. In non-motor, generally the same picture. There is just one country where we observe a slight uptick in non-motor inflation, and that is Germany. We discussed this as well, if you remember, at the end of June, and we are implementing rate increases.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#16

As a reminder, the non-motor combined ratio in Germany sits well below 90 — that's a very strong result regardless. As ever, we do our best to hold on to as much of the margin as possible.

Marco Sesana

executive
#17

Perhaps I should add a few words. We're keeping a close watch on every factor that could drive inflation. We're tracking all the spare parts throughout Europe, throughout each brand, throughout Asia. We examine the various drivers. We examine the medical rates to see whether they are rising. Right now, as Giulio said, we generally observe that the market is steady in how we see inflation, at roughly that 4% Giulio mentioned. Inflation could appear. We are watching. We don't see it yet. We are getting ready, and we know that the moment we see inflation, we know how to respond. Incidentally, I also want to remind you that in non-motor, a big portion of the portfolio is indexed to inflation, so there is also what I would call an automatic recovery we can make. At present, we see that the market anticipates that, but we don't see it yet in our portfolio. We monitor and watch, and we know how to act if we see any sign of inflation.

Michael Huttner

analyst
#18

That's great. Thanks so much.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#19

Thanks, Michael. Let’s take the next question.

Operator

operator
#20

Our following question comes from Fahad Changazi at Kepler Cheuvreux.

Fahad Changazi

analyst
#21

Thanks for taking my question. I’d like to follow up on P&C and inflation. In Q1, you also mentioned that a decision about volume growth in P&C would be made in H2. It seems Germany is sort of the exception, but when it comes to other countries, where do you stand on P&C volume growth? My second question concerns capital. The SCR rose in both life and non-life. Presumably, that reflects normal business growth. You still ended up with a very strong Solvency II ratio for year ’26, and the Solvency II review is on 30th January. Is it fair to say you will reassess your capital levels at full year results? Also, I suppose, will you still want to operate near the top end of the range? Thank you.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#22

Thanks a lot, Fahad. Giulio, the first one’s for you, and Cristiano, the second one is yours.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#23

On the volume growth question, let me start with motor and non-motor taken together. In motor, I'd put roughly 20% of our growth as coming from volume — actually slightly under 20%. For non-motor, which also includes accident, health, and disability, we're talking about nearly 1/3 of growth attributable to volume. Turning to geography — and here I'm still on motor — volume is developing nicely pretty much everywhere. There are only, I'd say, three exceptions. The first is Switzerland, since we're doing substantial pruning there, and the combined ratio improvement you can see is remarkable. Spain is another, where pruning is likewise underway and we're reaching a different, better combined ratio level. Then in Italy, comparing this quarter and these six months with the same six months a year ago, you'll see a decrease. In reality things are stabilizing, and this brings us back to the point that we're clearly managing both volume and profitability, seeking the right balance, and our motor book in Italy is performing very well.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#24

And I'd say across all the other countries as well, you're seeing decent, solid volume growth. On the non-motor side, growth is visible pretty much everywhere, except for Switzerland, where we're doing a lot of pruning, obviously, and there too you can see the improvement. Broadly speaking, from a volume standpoint, there's clearly momentum, and it's stronger than what we had a couple of years back.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#25

On the capital question, hi, Fahad. What you're picking up on, I believe, is the drive toward business growth, as we mentioned earlier. Obviously it depends on the mix of that growth too — when you get what we saw in net inflow, particularly across this half year, with an even spread among all the lines, where traditionals tend to absorb somewhat more capital. That also accounts for a portion of the capital deployed into new business, which fits with the favorable backdrop and the future investment for expansion that we have ahead of us, already anticipating the Solvency II review. Let me restate that at the end of January 2027, when that Solvency II review takes effect, we'll get a 15 percentage points uplift. Certainly, on the final '26 result, we will present a comparative starting point, which I believe is standard practice across the whole industry. We talked it through jointly, I think, at the forum as well. On the risk appetite framework level, we reaffirm the level from the Generali Exploring event of March, as we discussed. Our floor top ceiling element at 230 remains confirmed. Our intention is to deploy this capital in four forms.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#26

To say it again: through SAA optimization we're already using a bit of capital, on the order of 2 points each quarter. This quarter we did somewhat less, since the positive rates environment meant there was no need to go out and get the target reinvestment result, pushing further into risky assets, but generally we're pointing toward 2 points per quarter of SAA optimization. There was also a small Belgium downgrade event, which had a 0.5 percentage point negative impact on solvency. All in all, we'll keep deploying those extra points across 4 drivers: the first is business growth, which we're already starting; the second is investment SAA, as you mentioned, and we'll keep investing in the business, in infrastructure in Europe and overall; and the third for sure will also let us achieve a better mix between subordinated debt and senior debt, which isn't as necessary now for capital as it was in the past; and fourth is for sure capital deployment, whether for growth, for M&A, or for sure returning capital to shareholders.

Fahad Changazi

analyst
#27

Thanks a lot.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#28

Appreciate that, Fahad. Let's take the next question.

Operator

operator
#29

Our next question comes from William Hawkins at KBW.

William Hawkins

analyst
#30

Hi, everyone, and thanks for taking my question. I’ve just got one topic, with a few questions, please. Could you expand a bit on how you see the outlook for new business value? In my view, you’ve reported a very strong figure, €1.89 billion. Just over the very short term, can we annualize that, or might there be some variance in the second half? And then what are you thinking about in terms of the longer-term drivers? I always feel a big company like yours ought to be growing that number 5 to 10%, but I don’t know whether I’m off-base on the upside or the downside. If you could say a bit about the drivers, because I noticed in the detail that Asia seems to have had a huge step up, which is great; Germany’s a bit weaker; and Italy and France are in the middle. Just help me on the outlook for new business value, please.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#31

Thanks a lot, William. Giulio gets the first question, and then the second one goes to both Giulio and Marco.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#32

Thank you, William. Regarding new business value, I wouldn't suggest taking that figure and multiplying it by two, since in China especially, production is considerably stronger during the earlier portion of the year. Some of this always occurs because it ties to Chinese New Year — a great deal of production essentially takes place in the first quarter. Then, in this particular case, there was also a bit of a fire sale effect stemming from an illustration rate change in the second quarter. So from that angle, China needs to be normalized when looking at growth. Apart from that, the remainder of the portfolio is actually performing fairly normally. There's one more factor worth keeping in mind. It's true that this isn't the business with the highest new business margin among what we have, yet the protection business in France, which does generate new business value, is especially weighted toward the early part of the year. So from that perspective, I wouldn't take the number and multiply by two, but I can assure you that our VNB growth will be far stronger than last year's, and we will certainly hit your objective for this year of 5 to 10% value of new business growth.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#33

For this year, it will most likely be significantly higher. Looking ahead, I’d say Asia is clearly going to be one driver of growth in our value of new business. And by the way, Asia isn’t just China. Our franchise in India is growing as well. I’m not sure whether you recall, but essentially we brought in a new joint venture partner last year. That partner is a bank. Although bancassurance isn’t exclusive in India, we clearly gain access to this bank’s branches. I can tell you that in India we also saw a nice increase in present value of new business profit, as well as in value of new business. Marginality in India is roughly 7% at the moment, and for the six months we are writing about €250 million in present value of new business premium. That’s another point to keep in mind, because I expect growth here going forward. Now back to Europe. We definitely observe good momentum in France. I can’t promise this will continue indefinitely, but I would expect strong results out of France in the months ahead or next year as well.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#34

From a VNB standpoint, Italy is performing quite well. In Italy, although the present value of new business premium has declined, the value of new business growth stands at 5%, which is certainly a solid starting point. And then, of course, the situation in Germany will eventually return to normal. From that perspective, I'd say Asia is clearly out in front when it comes to growth, but in Europe as well, I believe we have a strong franchise, and we will push to achieve quality value of new business growth.

Marco Sesana

executive
#35

There are a few things I think are worth bringing up. First, obviously we're seeing Asia develop, but also if we come back to Europe, demographic trends, pensions, and what people in this segment need will be a significant driver for us going forward. I'd say both Germany and Italy, but CEE as well, are going to matter. Second, the way we've structured the products we've built over the years — we always talk about our hybrid product, our multi-line product. The capacity for protection to keep growing within that product will drive the sustainability of the new business margin, and therefore of new business value. As Giulio already noted, we've always made choices, and when there's a trade-off, we've made those choices on value. For instance, you can see how strong value development was in Italy despite the drop in volume. That's the kind of choice we always make. To sum up, demographics, pensions, and the type of product we bring to market will be core drivers of sustained value growth going forward.

William Hawkins

analyst
#36

That’s interesting. Thank you, gentlemen.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#37

Thanks, William. Let's take the next question.

Operator

operator
#38

Our next question comes from Andrew Baker at Goldman Sachs.

Andrew Baker

analyst
#39

Hello, and thanks for taking my questions. First, I suppose, given how strong investment performance was in the second quarter, has anything changed with either the operating investment guidance on the life side or the investment result guidance you gave earlier on the P&C side? Second, I suppose, just stepping back, adjusted EPS grew 16% last year. It's up 14% in the first half this year. Obviously there's no change to your targets at this point, but is it fair to assume that you'll come in materially above the top end of the target range for both '26 and, I guess, the three-year target as well, just based on where we're sat today? Thank you.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#40

Thanks, Andrew. Both of those questions are directed at Cristiano. Yes.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#41

Hi, Andrew. On the P&C effect in the second quarter first, you've seen a very positive recurring growth in the investment result even though there was a reduction of dividend from our private equity side, but we confirm the guidance given of €1.1 billion so far. That's a proof point of the very good reinvestment activity done there, together with the growth of the business. On the life side, I think especially in the second quarter in isolation, there were €25 million more, while in P&C there were €24 million less. Here, there are €25 million more on Lion River dividends and kind of €20 million more of dividends from the funds in China, which are more a kind of timing shift. That's why we still stick to the €900 million operating investment result for life as well. Going to the second question related to adjusted EPS, we are not changing target, but we are hinting that we are confident that given this momentum, we will overachieve our target, and I think that this is the most important thing out of it, and it is not the first time we are saying it.

Andrew Baker

analyst
#42

Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#43

Thanks, Andrew. Let's take the next question.

Operator

operator
#44

Andrea Lisi from Equita has the next question.

Andrea Lisi

analyst
#45

Hi there, thanks. Good morning, and I appreciate you taking my questions. My first question concerns the speculation reported in the newspapers regarding a potential merger involving the Generali Italian network and Alleanza — if you could share any views on that, and whether you believe it could speed up synergies and business development, and also potentially widen the scope of collaboration with Banca Generali. The second question is about new business margin. We've observed a very positive trend, and I'd like to know whether you think we can exceed the guidance you've given to date. Then, if possible, could you give us some indication of your full-year expectations for net other non-operating expenses, which have fallen quite substantially compared with the prior year — any thoughts on that would be welcome. Thank you.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#46

Thanks so much, Andrea. Regarding your first question, as usual, we don’t make any remarks about articles, rumors, or speculation. Giulio will handle the second question about the new business margin, and Cristiano is going to take the third one on non-operating items.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#47

Apologies, everyone. Yes, regarding the new business margin, it's obviously a positive step. Incidentally, I'd like to highlight that this comes partly from a solid improvement in Italy's new business margin, and the margin trend in Asia is also quite encouraging. For the current year, I'd say we will certainly land at the guidance we provided. We've mentioned repeatedly on recent calls that our focus isn't strictly on that 6% new business margin. What matters more to us — echoing what William said earlier — is the growth in new business value. If circumstances require accepting slightly lower new business margin in order to generate additional growth, additional new business value growth, then that's what we'll do. Let me illustrate. Suppose your target is a 6% new business margin — then anything under 6% new business margin could look dilutive from that perspective. In theory, we'd end up having to forgo perhaps business written at 4 or 5% new business margin purely to preserve that 6%. From that standpoint, that isn't necessarily the wisest approach.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#48

Yeah, we're essentially at that 6% mark. We could keep it there, but if opportunities arise to push new business value higher, then we'll gladly move somewhat off that 6% figure.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#49

Yes, Andrea, on the net other non-operating expenses — as you probably remember, we held the Exploring Generali event on finance in March. At that time we provided, let's say, range guidance of €200 to €300 million for those specific other non-operating net expenses. Clearly, please keep in mind that this type of item is fairly erratic by nature, and usually it also has a seasonality skewed toward the fourth quarter. Also, don't forget that we are working — and that is why you are seeing this reduction — on an allocation, and we already did this in the past, moving more than €80 million of cost out of that item, which has now been split evenly between life and non-life operating. We are continuing this journey of extreme rigor around that, to really keep a much lower capability to use that item, so as to concentrate all the operating result impact of all the loading and charges, apart from very, very specific topics. There is also another part running in parallel to that, such as the amortization of intangibles. The more you carry out activity of growing the business, like we did last year when purchasing the asset management company MGG, we have amortization of intangibles for the client value part in it, which is also part of the non-operating overall result.

Andrea Lisi

analyst
#50

Thanks.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#51

Appreciate that, Andrea. Let's take the next question.

Operator

operator
#52

Our next question comes from Gianluca Ferrari at Mediobanca.

Gianluca Ferrari

analyst
#53

Yes. Hello. Good afternoon, everyone. My apologies for returning to Andrea's question about the net other non-operating expenses. If I remember correctly, in the fourth quarter of last year, you had quite a few early retirement plans that had an effect on this line. Do you expect another sort of round of early retirement in Q4 of this year? The second one is about cat losses — if you could provide a bit more detail on the €300 million you mentioned, and whether you can offer some kind of guidance on the cat budget for full year 2026. Thank you.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#54

Thanks, Gianluca. Cristiano, the first one's for you, and Marco, you'll take the second.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#55

Yes. Gianluca, to start, let me go back to what I mentioned earlier — the subcategory of adjusted other net non-operating expenses, that €200 to €300 million. During the same Exploring Generali event, we were indicating somewhere between €100 and €150 million in restructuring charges across the year. So far we're looking for every opportunity we can find, but I think we'll have more detail by the time of the nine-month results, if we're able to move faster. The pension reform in Germany, for instance, lets us work on speeding up efficiencies even more, and we're checking whether that could happen in '26 or in '27. Either way, this reform creates an opportunity to streamline further, so we'll be more precise at the nine months.

Gianluca Ferrari

analyst
#56

Thanks.

Marco Sesana

executive
#57

Regarding NatCat, I believe the €300 million figure you mentioned corresponds to the July event we booked during that month. These are primarily two kinds of events. The first is a severe convective storm, occurring in early July, amounting to roughly €25 to €30 million, and the second is the hailstorm across Europe—Italy, France, and Germany—during the latter part of July. Obviously, this will come in addition to what appears in the half year. Broadly speaking, on the budget, I can say we're very near it. Most probably, we'll land right there or a bit above. Forecasting any NatCat is always challenging. Now,

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#58

If I could add one more thing, I also want to remind everyone how we're covered on NatCat, since I think we've done solid work on the reinsurance treaty this year. There's the per-event treaty, which sits above €300 million, and beyond that there's the cat aggregate, which works in excess of €1.2 billion for €550 million of capacity. This year's structure is also quite interesting, because we have a €10 million franchise — it's a very favorable setup. What you're seeing here and what you've reported, you always need to keep in mind that the net figure will differ because of this. Overall, yes, we'll be close to the budget, but on the other hand, the cat aggregate will also cover us.

Gianluca Ferrari

analyst
#59

I appreciate it.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#60

Thanks, Gianluca. Let's take the next question.

Operator

operator
#61

Iain Pearce from BNP Paribas has the next question.

Iain Pearce

analyst
#62

Apologies — that was really just a follow-up to the NatCat question. Because with the convective storm and hail losses, the industry reports I’ve looked at appear to put those at around a billion, a bit over a billion in industry loss. The market share looks very high. We haven’t actually heard your peers discuss this yet. I’m just wondering whether there’s something particular about that loss that explains why you may be taking a somewhat higher market share. Then, just a follow-up on the savings new business margin, which improved a lot from one half to the next. Could you give us a little more color on what is driving that improvement, please?

Fabio Cleva

executive
#63

Sure, Iain. Iain, the first one goes to Marco, and then Giulio gets the second one. Yeah. We have

Marco Sesana

executive
#64

Regarding that loss figure you brought up, our estimate is likely on the higher side versus what you cited. We're at roughly €4 to €6 billion, and I'd say our losses track our market share. Right now, we aren't seeing any distinct uptick in losses relative to our market share. It should align quite closely with the business. The data we're drawing on comes from the market — from broker reports — so I'd say we're consistent with our market share.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#65

When it comes to the savings new business margin, you've really got two things driving it. The first is Asia, since we're seeing the new business margin rise in both China and India. For India, that's a volume story; for China it's also volume, because obviously when you're growing more quickly, your expense overrun/underrun improves. On top of that, production quality in China is stronger than it was last year. We're essentially selling par business, and that's matched with a guarantee level that keeps coming down. So from that angle, the quality of business is better than a year ago. Those two factors — volume and quality of business — are what's lifting the new business margin. The other country is Italy. Like I said earlier, yes, production in Italy has declined, but the value of new business is actually rising. That's driven by marginality, and I can tell you we've raised marginality in traditional savings by roughly 100 basis points. That's coming out of product mix. Also, last year we still had certain products sitting on commercial discount, whereas this year we're simply running with no commercial discount at all.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#66

Looking at it from that angle, you also get quality production on the savings side.

Iain Pearce

analyst
#67

That’s great. Thanks a lot.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#68

Thanks, Iain. Let’s take the next question.

Operator

operator
#69

James Shuck from Citi has the next question.

James Shuck

analyst
#70

Thanks very much, and good afternoon. I have a question about strategic asset allocation and investment. Could you remind me what the expected yield pickup is? You're putting in two points per quarter of SCR — what yield pickup should we expect? What I'd really like to know is the marginal return that SCR is generating for you. Second, a broader question: State Farm has taken a completely different approach to how it pays its agents, focusing much more on new business at the expense of, in a sense, harvesting the back book. Could you give a little update on how the tied agents in your network are remunerated, and on whether you plan to change that? Thank you.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#71

Sorry about that, James. Your second question didn’t come through clearly on the line. Would you mind saying it again for us?

James Shuck

analyst
#72

Sure, hopefully you can hear me at this point. Is that better?

Fabio Cleva

executive
#73

It's a little bit better. Yes, thanks.

James Shuck

analyst
#74

Right, yeah. No, it's only a question — with what State Farm is doing over in the US, I'm just curious about possibly compensating agents differently. Is there anything in the works to put more emphasis on writing new business instead of simply harvesting the back book? Thank you.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#75

Thanks a lot, James. Marco gets the first question, and the second one goes to Giulio.

Marco Sesana

executive
#76

Let me offer a highlight, and then Cristiano can build on this topic as well. As we mentioned, we were focused on our SAA, especially on the P&C side, since our goal was to re-risk the SAA. The uplift you're seeing in operating income stems from two things: growth in assets under management, and a higher rate we've achieved through the re-risking of the SAA. What you're observing now in operating income, particularly in P&C, is what you should anticipate going forward — and probably a bit higher still, if I may offer that guidance.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#77

Let me give you a few figures. When we focus on the core countries where we build the strategic asset allocation — that's the group's core part — the reinvestment yield we're seeing, across every asset class, private assets included, comes to 4.24%, and that lets us hold a spread of nearly 1% above the redemption component of what's going on, which in turn lets us offer better commercial terms and, clearly, embedded investment margin. I'm talking here about the life portfolio. That figure obviously becomes 4.01 if we look only at the P&C portfolio — clearly we're speaking about the core, meaning we exclude hyperinflationary countries or those where our weight is minor relative to the core European operations.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#78

On the question you raised regarding any adjustment to what we pay agents: no, we aren't making any change there. In any case, I can say that growth is plainly one component that matters when it comes to agent compensation. I'd add that, speaking broadly — since I have to generalize — we of course operate different tied agency forces across various countries, yet on the life side, much of what agents earn, the incentives they receive, hinge on growth, and growth here means net growth, plainly net of whatever lapses might occur, any loss in the portfolio. Seen that way, it's essentially pay structured to expand the portfolio, to expand assets under management. Over on the P&C side, it's a mix, plainly, of growth and of new production. There's an incentive tied to retention as well, and then generally we also layer in an incentive linked to business quality. At bottom, I'd say that is plainly how our incentive system works, which is not merely the compensation — you also have other ways of nudging agents toward pushing production — and it is definitely structured around raising agent productivity. That, basically, is the end objective of any system of remuneration.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#79

Hey James, just to finish up, since I believe I left the SCR benefit return unanswered — from this investment we're adding 1.5 percentage points of return on SCR versus the prior asset allocation. As we've termed it, it's RoRC accretive, meaning accretive on return on risk capital.

James Shuck

analyst
#80

Thanks.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#81

Appreciate that, James. Let’s take the next question.

Operator

operator
#82

Our next question comes from Elena Perini at Intesa Sanpaolo.

Elena Perini

analyst
#83

Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. First, a follow-up on the latest NatCats: have the wildfires in France and Spain had any effect on you, since you didn't bring that up earlier? Second, regarding Germany's pension reform, which steps remain before it can be adopted? Will it take effect on 1 January, as you said at the June event? And when would it begin contributing to your life and asset management business? Thank you very much.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#84

Thanks a lot, Elena. Marco, the first one’s for you, and Giulio, you’ll take the second.

Marco Sesana

executive
#85

You're right to bring that up — I should have mentioned the wildfires currently burning in France, and in Spain as well, I'd say. Those usually fall under man-made rather than NatCat. They're very recent. We're looking into it. We're putting together our initial estimate. We think they'll come in below €100 million. Taking the French side and the Spanish side together, we believe the total can be, yeah, under €100 million, I'd say, considerably under, but please keep in mind these get booked under the man-made.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#86

Regarding pension reform in Germany—since I’m not sure everyone is acquainted with it, let me just explain how it operates. Essentially, it serves as a replacement for Riester products. The government has chosen to launch a standard product. That standard product carries very low costs, yet that also implies somewhat lower value, in the sense that fund options are limited and there’s no guaranteed option available. In any case, you must offer the standard product if you want to provide other solutions where guarantees can be included or a wider fund allocation can be offered. Another shift is that, for products lacking guarantees, non-insurance providers can also offer this product—technically speaking, banks, asset managers, neobrokers. One more positive aspect is that subsidies are bigger than those granted previously, so this clearly will raise the count of people who will move into this solution. In addition, the number of people eligible for such products has been raised. The immediate effect, since we do observe an effect, has been that production has actually slowed down.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#87

Right now, what we're seeing is that people are clearly staying on the sidelines, waiting for the reform to arrive, and we're getting ourselves positioned for January 1st. We're very strong in life in Germany. Our distribution footprint is the strongest compared with any competitor, and that's DVAG. DVAG is also very strong in this kind of solution. From that standpoint, we think that, sure, there will be a little bit of losing some customers and gaining some customers, but we're very well positioned. We're also launching a marketing campaign soon so that we're prepared for January 1st. Overall, I'd say this could be an opportunity for us if we play it well.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#88

Thanks, Elena. Let's take the next question.

Operator

operator
#89

Farquhar Murray from Autonomous has the next question.

Farquhar Murray

analyst
#90

Good morning, everyone. I have just 2 questions, if that's alright. First, regarding Radian, I was hoping you could take us through the industrial rationale behind the new setup there, and perhaps what the main changes will look like on the ground, and how you anticipate that flowing through into your target deliverables, so to speak. My assumption is that this is chiefly a revenue conversation centered on wallet share, but I'd like to confirm whether a cost or capital management dimension exists here as well. Second, could you explain what is behind the higher yields in the non-life investment portfolio? Specifically, is this simply a passive reinvestment result given the current curves, or is it a more active outcome of portfolio management? Thanks.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#91

Thanks so much, Farquhar. Giulio, I'll start with you for the first question, and then Cristiano will take the second one.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#92

So I'd describe Radian as having two main pillars, and on top of that we're bringing in some additional capabilities. The first pillar is essentially travel and mobility assistance. That business is currently generating turnover of roughly €4.5 billion. To put that in perspective, travel accounts for 60% of that turnover, mobility makes up 30%, and other forms of assistance make up the remainder. It's also a business with a substantial travel operation in the US. That represents about 40% of our exposure, then roughly 50% of the business sits in Europe, and 10% is essentially in Asia. That's one piece of the business. The second piece is employee benefits. As it stands, this business brings in €1.5 billion of revenue, but once we complete the Swiss Life acquisition, that revenue will essentially double. I see these as two distinct pillars. We're also using Radian as a vehicle for potentially growing embedded insurance, particularly where we have embedded insurance on an international-style platform, since Radian is clearly equipped to collaborate with the various business units. They already do so within the assistance business, and they clearly have what's needed to do the same in other lines of business as well.

Giulio Terzariol

executive
#93

Back when we laid out the strategic plan in January of last year, we discussed the health service factory. Radian is essentially putting that in place as well. Seen from that angle, it’s a global platform, and it’s a global platform that’s digitally enabled too, which lets us be very nimble in pushing lines of business where you want, essentially, a direct connection to the consumer. Think of this business somewhat like a B2C business, with a good degree of digitalization. Now, the numbers we’ve seen over the past years have been very positive. And if you look at the six months’ figures, you can see in what we at Radian call the assistance and insurance business a double-digit rise in both revenue and profit. We keep investing in this business to ensure we can see continued growth going forward as well.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#94

Hi Farquhar. On the portfolio's higher yield, let me just frame the gap — specifically between the 4.01 being invested in the core portfolio and the 2.37 maturing, and that gives a positive spread of 1.64% that's pulling things up, and it comes from investment in liquid asset classes. You may have noticed that private debt is essentially taking the place of simply what was there before. Liquid fixed income carries a bigger weight now, especially on the credit side. That lines up with what we said earlier about putting capital to work, since obviously the benefit here is purely shareholder-driven, and in this environment we have sufficient risk-bearing capacity to profit from it, clearly inside our risk appetite framework. In any case, this is already bearing fruit, because obviously on a half-year-over-half-year basis you can see on these kinds of components an improvement of roughly €87 million in recurring income.

Farquhar Murray

analyst
#95

Understood.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#96

Thanks a lot, Farquhar. Let’s take the next question.

Operator

operator
#97

Michael Huttner from Berenberg has the next question.

Michael Huttner

analyst
#98

I appreciate the chance to be here. Hopefully my question will come across as smart. My first one is fairly broad, but your operating capital generation — I believe 2.4 billion net of SCR — that's a really nice figure. Still, it represents only 9% of the overall total, so to speak. A number of your competitors report larger figures. They aren't dramatically larger, mind you, yet they appear to be reliably larger. Naturally, I understand you'd rather not discuss competitors, but I was just wondering whether your accounting is more conservative, or whether there's something I'm failing to see. Next, my usual question for Cristiano: could you discuss cash? I'm fond of cash. I'd like to imagine you'll be swimming in it over the holidays, but any hint at all would be welcome.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#99

Absolutely. I'll begin with the dullest item and finish on the cheerful note — jokes aside. First up is operating capital generation, which is a topic we're watching closely. Of course, a gap appears when you stack us against other, shall we say, industry benchmarks, since the piece explained in Exploring Generali — above all the best estimate change from prior-year development — doesn't count toward capital generation. Plainly, we're running a couple of 1 to 2 percentage point short on operating capital generation if a genuine like-for-like comparison with peers is what you want. A further factor involves possible asymmetries. Certain countries and peers operate under an equivalence regime, while countries such as ours lack an equivalent regime. In assessing capital generation, we apply Solvency II rules even where Solvency II does not apply, and that is considerably more punitive than the local capital approach. Once you also strip out these so-called regulatory asymmetries, with no genuine underlying constraint on the business's local development, we believe we stood in line. One more discrepancy I believe I see: we book the entire deduction of cash spent for the whole amount of any LTI plan utilized, rather than the actual cost we pay for it.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#100

Sometimes we purchase a greater number of shares than were truly required. That amount gets subtracted from capital, and no positive recovery comes from it. Turning to cash, first off, I have good news for both you and me, something we genuinely care about. During July, the initial remittance arrived from Switzerland. I believe this is very encouraging news—something we had been signaling for years and had been explaining even within the plan. It has arrived. Regarding capital, the work is done; regarding business, the work is not done, yet clearly there is very strong momentum in the expense ratio and in all the changes they are making. That said, we stand almost—though not quite—at 95% of the total remittance for the year gathered so far, and that figure is €4.6 billion, and I hope this gives you a very nice number to place in your projections.

Michael Huttner

analyst
#101

That's great. Thanks very much.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#102

Thanks, Michael. Let’s take the next question.

Operator

operator
#103

That brings us to the end of the questions we have queued up. I'll hand things back over to you now in case you'd like to offer any closing comments.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#104

Thanks a lot for tuning in to our call. Naturally, if any follow-up questions come up, our investor relations team is entirely at your service, and all of us are eager to see you in London on November 18th. Enjoy the weekend, and take care.

Operator

operator
#105

Thank you, everyone, for being here. That brings the conference to a close, so you’re welcome to hang up your phones now.

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