Goodman Group (GMGSF) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 4, 2025

US Real Estate Industrial REITs operating_results 32 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Goodman Group Q1 FY '26 Quarterly Operational Update. [Operator Instructions] On the call today, we have Mr. Greg Goodman, CEO; and Mr. Nick Vrondas, CFO. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Greg Goodman. Please go ahead.

Gregory Goodman

executive
#2

Yes. Thank you very much and good morning, everyone. Goodman is progressing a range of logistics and data center opportunities as customers increase their capital expenditure on technology and infrastructure, is driving our development workbook, which sits at $12.4 billion, but is importantly forecast to be greater than $17.5 billion by June 2026. This is largely due to the significant data center projects we're building in key markets around the world, Sydney, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Paris, Amsterdam and Los Angeles. Currently, data centers make up 68% of our work in progress, and it's expected to grow to more than 75% by June. Our sites are predominantly located in supply-constrained metropolitan markets. We are focused on speed to market, commencing construction and activating sites to provide delivery certainty for our hyperscaler customers. Over the period, we have advanced planning and site works across projects globally, including commencing infrastructure, grid connections and groundworks. This is to enable approximately 500 megawatts of data center projects, which are activating the first stage of 1.8 gigawatts. We have a flexible design, commercial approach that covers a range of deployment options, from powered shell to fully fitted facilities, which also may include the operations where required. Goodman has an active regional capital partnering program alongside the development workbook. We're progressing capital partnerships, specifically for data centers in Europe, and also Australia. Our logistics customers are focused on significant capital investment in AI and robotic technology to drive automation and productivity gains. We're seeing this particularly with large-scale customers. And as a result, we're likely to continue to see consolidation across the sector into larger, more advanced facilities in prime locations. The property fundamentals for our logistics portfolio are robust in most of our markets, supported by low vacancy rates, continued positive rental growth and limited new supply. The group is also progressing a number of acquisitions of multipurpose sites. The recent Silicon Valley purchase is a good example where we have data centers sitting alongside warehouse facilities. I'll now hand over to Nick for a few comments.

Nick Vrondas

executive
#3

Yes. Thanks, Greg. Just a couple of things. I just wanted to confirm that the capital management strategy that we outlined in February this year remains the same. The wholly owned data center commencements to June '26, along with those which are already in partnerships can be funded through to completion of Stage 1 MEP if needed because we have significant liquidity and very low gearing and that will take us through to FY '28. Our plan, though, is to partner all these developments with institutional investors in our usual way. And this will enable us to advance our development activities and maintain our capital management position in line with our financial risk management policy objectives. We're advancing the predevelopment work on these sites that have not yet commenced, which is adding significant value at the moment. Once we start vertical construction and the new partnerships are formed, we can begin to recognize income. And whilst it's still possible that this begins to occur this half, we're expecting the Australian and European ones in the second half and the North American one is not planned for FY '26. And that's all I wanted to add at this stage. Thanks, Greg.

Gregory Goodman

executive
#4

Thanks, Nick. In closing, I'd like to confirm our target to deliver operating EPS growth of 9% for FY '26, which equates to over $2.6 billion of operating profit. I'm very happy now to go to questions.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions]Your first question today comes from Kane Hannan with Goldman Sachs.

Kane Hannan

analyst
#6

Two questions. Just starting with guidance again, just that second half earnings skew with that development timing. Just a sense of sort of what magnitude of skew you're looking for, whether the first half is tracking much below that high single digit or the 9% growth as a starting point?

Nick Vrondas

executive
#7

Kane, so yes, I think we're probably talking somewhere in the order of $200 to $300 million. So full year targets, $2.6 billion and change in terms of operating profit, first half in and around $1 billion operating profit is currently what we're expecting.

Kane Hannan

analyst
#8

Yes. That's helpful. And just on the data center side of things, good to see the secured power ticking up. Just talk a little bit about your AI factory sort of strategy, just given what we've been seeing across the globe effectively, just how they fit within your planning, your partnerships and the like.

Gregory Goodman

executive
#9

Yes. I don't think we're planning too many factories. We are probably going to be doing some of that infrastructure. I don't think we're a natural owner of it. What you've got on the page today is world-class metro. That's cloud-based. It's right in the hitting zone of the hyperscalers and negotiations on that 500 megawatts of space we're producing and have already started a lot of it is good. So this is our natural habitat. It's around the big cities of the world. It's the stuff that we need every day. Now if we do some big campuses around the world, we'll call them out when we do them. There will be a big announcement and a lot of noise and a lot of gigawatts, but this stuff is really, really valuable. This is the stuff our partners want. This is the stuff that we want to own a portion of ourselves. And this is our next 10 years building this stuff for the market, which is your garden variety cloud operations, which is what we're all about.

Operator

operator
#10

Your next question comes from James Druce with CLSA.

James Druce

analyst
#11

Just looking at the secured power, there's a pretty big jump to 3.4 gigawatts. Can you just talk to the major drivers of that? Is that more Tokyo going into that secured power bucket? And can you provide a bit of color on the delivery of that power, please?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#12

Yes. Look, it's just the fact that we started Tokyo. So it's just the fact that it's started and now it's all locked in and we're moving on. There's nothing really else to say about that.

James Druce

analyst
#13

Okay. And just an update maybe just on the funds management side. I mean, you are raising some capital across the globe really at the moment. Can you provide any color on the progress of that? Or you just want to wait until it's done?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#14

Look, the progress is good. I think that's a '26 discussion, but we're in the process. And I've got to say, if you look at that list, which we provided you on Slide 4, that is some of the top, if not the top locations outside the U.S. through Europe, in particular, and Tokyo and Australia. They're the top locations around the world for primarily cloud data center around those big cities. You can imagine that investors are pretty excited about that.

James Druce

analyst
#15

An. Okay. And one more, if I may. Do we have a kind of run rate now for industrial development starts like starts have been a little bit subdued for a couple of halves now. How do we think about the run rate going forward?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#16

Yes. Look, I think for the rest of '26 or going into '26, I think we're positioning ourselves around good sites and good pieces of infrastructure for industrial. Some of that industrial will actually coexist with data center, and we're seeing a fair bit of that actually at the moment in the U.S., which we're spending a lot of time on that plan and on that strategy, particularly. But we have some big inquiries coming through now, which will be more of a '27, '28. And I was chatting to Steph yesterday, actually, she's the Head of Industrial for New South Wales. And we've got some big inquiries for Western Sydney, but they're 60,000, 70,000, 80,000 meter buildings. They've got -- it's all about the tech going in them. It's about consolidation. It's about driving productivity. And this is a theme we've been talking about for a while around the world. That is going to be our main -- that's going to be our main menu on that. So consolidation, productivity, big infrastructure going into these. And just as also a bit of a shout out to our Tokyo team, we've just finished 130,000 meters in Tokyo. That's now, I think, just gone through 90% leased, and that's been a big effort over the last 12 months. So we are actually leasing big chunks of space around the world, but look to us to be doing the larger, bigger infrastructure plays around industrial, where we're adding in the infrastructure, the power, the things you need if you want to run fully automated basically peopleless warehouses, dark warehouses, that's the future.

Operator

operator
#17

Your next question comes from Simon Chan with Morgan Stanley.

Simon Chan

analyst
#18

I was just wondering, in your prepared remarks, you talked about how much work is being done. How come commencement was only $300 million according to the table in Slide 2?

Nick Vrondas

executive
#19

Yes, Simon. So the starts on the list of projects that we've got on the page there, that's the thick end of the starts for the year. And what we're saying is that they start going vertical either towards the end of this year or into the second half of the financial year, and that's when you really kick in. And I think it's sort of -- if it backs on to James Druce's question, just what we told everyone, we've been saying for about a year or 2 now is that we're going through this transition. So we firstly, in response to market conditions. But secondly, and more importantly, as we've reconsidered and reorientated our available sites, we've been replanning, restrategizing, converting stuff into industrial, so getting the power, getting the planning, getting them ready -- converting, sorry, to data centers or more intense use industrial. And that doesn't happen overnight. So we're going through this transition, and this is why we said that the actual WIP balance may be a little bit volatile, but the general trend is up. And so you will see some very significant commencements through to December and probably more significantly through the second half through to June. So there's a problem with 1 quarter of observations. It's kind of a small sample.

Simon Chan

analyst
#20

I mean I saw a video recently of the substation going into Frankfurt. So that doesn't warrant -- that's not a milestone that triggers WIP?

Nick Vrondas

executive
#21

No, no, no. No, no. So that's kind of land development, the above ground WIP won't go in until we start going vertical.

Gregory Goodman

executive
#22

Yes, which means yes, we've led the contract. We're buying the lead items and the thing is being built as well. And you've got to be careful of what you hear around the market at the moment. There's a lot of comments about data centers in the space globally. There's global exaggeration to the extreme. You need RFS states. You need to sit down with the hyperscaler and go your first 12.5 meg is beginning at '27. If you can't say that, keep your trap shut and don't say anything at all.

Simon Chan

analyst
#23

Okay. Fair enough. Greg, I think you mentioned about the Europe, Australia this year and North America is not going to be a 2026 story. What's happening there? Like was Vernon ever going to go in? Or were you always going to just turf Vernon once you've built it? Because that one would be one of the more advanced ones in terms of what it's topped out, right? So what's happening in North America?

Nick Vrondas

executive
#24

Simon, it's Nick. I think the comment you're referring to, I think, was the one I made around the timing of the formation of a partnership, a development partnership.

Simon Chan

analyst
#25

Yes, sorry. It was you, yes.

Nick Vrondas

executive
#26

Yes. So -- and the reason for that is we're very advanced stages or we're in sort of heavy negotiations at the moment as to how we might take that forward around and what the design is, who the customer will be and how it's operated. And so we want to kind of land that first before we start offering partners the opportunity to join us in that. So that's why we're saying we're not expecting it to happen this half. Now in terms of physical work, if you look -- you can see online, I mean, it's topped out. LAX01 is topped out and now we're going to the next stage. So we're sort of just fine-tuning the last bits of the design and the operating structure.

Gregory Goodman

executive
#27

Yes. And there's other plots in the area, as you know. And just to add to that, there's some pretty significant sites we believe we'll be buying in the U.S. over the next 6 months or so. Now you've seen one in Palo Alto with some industrial and data center. There's others like that, which should fit right into our strategy about creating the infrastructure and the power for these things to happen. So that San Jose site in Palo Alto is actually a really, really good opportunity for us around light industrial, a couple of data centers as well. That fits into our plan. We've got a number of those in the U.S. at the moment. So we're using balance sheet. We'll use balance sheet. We've got the 2 partnerships we've created until we're ready, and then we'll bring in some capital. But the I think to Nick's point, the focus at the moment is Europe and Australia, which are the thick end of what's on that list we gave you on Slide 4.

Operator

operator
#28

Your next question comes from Cody Shield with UBS.

Cody Shield

analyst
#29

I just wanted to pick up on some of the comments around those multiuse sites, some of those larger projects. You've spoken to the past about not wanting to mix the industrial and DC risk and return. So what approach would you take to kind of partnering on some of those larger sites?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#30

It's pretty straightforward. You cut off the industrial, you cut off the data centers. We're doing that at the moment and just have a different investor profile, return profile and to your point, risk profile. Capital spend is very different, timetable to completion is different. Yes, you split them. And there's a couple we're looking at the moment where there might be 100 on the end and there's a few hundred thousand meters of industrial just you split them.

Operator

operator
#31

Your next question comes from Solomon Zhang with JPMorgan.

Solomon Zhang

analyst
#32

I might just follow up on Simon's question just on the data center starts. When you identified the $13 billion of starts, the 500 megawatts by June '26, can you confirm how much of that $13 billion has been -- is currently in WIP at the moment or has already started?

Nick Vrondas

executive
#33

Yes. So I think it's 0.3 or just under 0.3 is in WIP at the moment, and that's principally Paris, the 2 Hong Kong projects. And I think that's it. First building in Tokyo, sorry.

Solomon Zhang

analyst
#34

And in terms of dollars, would that be about $7 billion of that $13 billion?

Nick Vrondas

executive
#35

Yes. Yes.

Solomon Zhang

analyst
#36

So that would sort of assume that your completions run rate, if you get to that $17.5 billion is sort of running at that $4 billion mark for '26?

Nick Vrondas

executive
#37

Yes, I think that's -- it might be a little bit more than that. But yes, it's roughly in that order, yes.

Solomon Zhang

analyst
#38

Right. And just on the rent growth side of things for hyperscale. I mean we've seen all the quarterly earnings for the hyperscalers and the huge, I guess, acceleration in the data center rollout plans, which has been demand driven. Are you seeing that translate to market rent growth that has been revised up in your underwrites?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#39

If you look at the growth rate, just in clarification about AI, bear in mind, the AI is feeding the whole ecosystem. The growth rates in regard to what is required and the amount of supply in our markets, which are constrained. So if you go through those European markets, we've got on the page and even Sydney 1, to be honest, there's very little supply coming through. So the dynamic is very much in -- is a good dynamic for us, I'll put it that way.

Solomon Zhang

analyst
#40

Right. And maybe just a final one, just on the industrial piece. You've called out that the inbound inquiry from tenants has been improving. But I guess your market rent growth is still outpacing your passing rent growth. When would you anticipate that crossover point to sort of be reached where it's a bit more of a balanced market and those rent growths are in line with market?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#41

I think you've still got another year or 2 to work through that. Nick, I think we're still very much under parts of primary Sydney, but also in the U.S. would be the main areas where we've still got unders working through.

Nick Vrondas

executive
#42

Yes.

Operator

operator
#43

Your next question comes from Callum Brahma with Macquarie.

Callum Bramah

analyst
#44

Just a couple on the capital side. Will you be in a position on both the Australian and the European capital raises to announce that by February results. And have you got a sense at the moment on the willingness of the existing investors in those funds to take up their pro rata share of the data center opportunity?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#45

Well, yes, the European funds are new, so there's no pro rata share. And in Australia, it's actually pretty strong around that. So -- but the European partnership, which is the largest, it's a brand-new development partnership. So there's no pro rata share.

Nick Vrondas

executive
#46

Yes. And I don't think we can commit to a February date necessarily because there will be some regulatory issues and what have you. So I'm not sure whether we can get to that.

Callum Bramah

analyst
#47

And just going back to the piece maybe around contracts, et cetera, just in progress on L.A. and on Hong Kong. Have you progressed your thinking in Hong Kong about powered shell or fully fitted? And just any further color you can give on that progress at Vernon that would be great.

Gregory Goodman

executive
#48

Yes. Well, Hong Kong, one of the Hong Kong buildings already leased, so that's done. The other one is a shell at this stage, and we're in discussions with customers at the moment about a shell or a build-out, so both. In regard to LAX01, I can't say too much because we're in negotiation with customers at the moment. So -- but the plan there is to build the building out bearing in mind, we have other opportunities in that area. And you can imagine customers are looking at those other opportunities as well. So I can't really say a lot about where we are, but we're in negotiation. But as you work through Paris 1, 2, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, effectively, the same will apply -- Japan, same apply. They're all in very, very advanced discussions. We're doing -- we're looking at exactly what configurations some of the customers want as well. So -- and those negotiations, those discussions go on for months, not weeks, as you'd appreciate, because they are very expensive pieces of infrastructure. And I think look for some good clarity on that into '26, but you've got some of the best locations in Europe on the table here, right? So you'd imagine they are pretty hot topics for customers. And down in Australia as well and Tokyo, where very hard to get powered sites and ready to go. We're in a really, really good position. But give us through to '26, just as with the capital, those will come through. What we are -- and I think we said this at the full year, it was about construction was going to be the major milestone we want to make sure we've got done by the end of this year, and that means starts. That's what we've put on the page today. We'll give you obviously an update at the half year in regard to where we are with customers in February and also give you an update on capital. But construction is important. There's a lot of talk about who's got what, who can do what. But you really do need to sit down with the customer and have an RF state that is you're willing to put your name to because you're signing up to it, right? So we're taking risk out of that by the work we're doing at the moment as we build into '26. We then go with contracted clarity in regard to delivery dates with long lead items ordered, and we know where we're going. So that's been the effort over the last 6 to 9 months.

Callum Bramah

analyst
#49

Greg, would you mind just elaborating on one of the slides -- sorry, I'm just trying to look on the page number, Page 4 talks to capability to provide operated facilities where required. Is that a relatively new development? Or have I just sort of missed it? And can you elaborate on what you're meaning there?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#50

Yes. Look, it is not a new development, something we've been working on for a year or 2 now. And fundamentally, if a hyperscaler wants us to operate a building, we will operate it. If they don't want us to operate a building, we won't operate it. Now where that splits out where if you look at primarily most of the hyperscalers are not doing own builds in Europe. Most of the market is through operators. So in Europe, you'd want a good, strong operating team, which we've put together. And effectively, in the U.S., where a lot of the hyperscalers are doing more of their own operations and they're doing a lot of self-builds. It's a different approach where I expect we're going to operate less in the U.S., more in Europe. And we'll see what happens in Sydney. That could go either way at the moment.

Callum Bramah

analyst
#51

Can I just push my luck for one more, and that's just on the size of the pipeline. You alluded to replenishing there. Have you got a framework of how you think about what the size of the pipeline should be? Or what is optimal?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#52

Look, you're talking about industrial or data centers or both?

Callum Bramah

analyst
#53

Data centers, please?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#54

Yes. Look, we've got a really big pipeline, one of the biggest in the world, to be frank, that's real. Once again, forget about the fiction, let's go to the reality. Reality is, have you got the power, can you build these? Can you hit '27, can you hit '28? And I think that's really, really important. So we've got a lot of work in front of us. If I was to venture a comment, I suspect there's going to be some more sites in the U.S. put on the books. That is not exclusively data centers to be quite frank. I think you saw the one in Palo Alto, which has been in the press, and we talked a little bit about it today. There are others like that, which are going to be -- we call them dual purpose sites where there's going to be the power and the infrastructure basically to break it down and do both. And I think, once again, going back to Palo Alto is a really good example. I think you see more of that in the U.S. You see more shells done in the U.S., I think, for data centers with, once again, hyperscalers operating those and filling them out when they require them, then you will see in Europe where the hyperscalers are not doing their own builds to the same extent. So yes, a bit of a different approach where you are, but we are working through some really good sites around the world at the moment that are good for the long-term future of Goodman, but they are industrial and also data centers, I can say that. And we're seeing a bigger opportunity now than we have for the last 2 or 3 years, I think as developers around the world have pulled back on industrial in the main. And effectively, the funding thereof has become a little bit more difficult. And even in the data center space, I'd venture comment, the amount of leverage required for a lot of the private equity operators to operate under their high-return models is sort of at the extreme end, I'd describe it that way. And effectively, developers, if they don't get a pre-commit on a data center, find very difficult to fund. So there's opportunity around all that if you're a big, sustainable, long-term, relatively low leverage operator. And I think a lot of the public entities in this data center space where there's a lot more visibility on what they're doing and their leverage and everything else, I think are very well positioned over the next 4 or 5 years as the sustainable arm of the developers and owners of a lot of this product and that are not super highly levered and have probably a more sustainable capital structure. And I think there's been a fair bit of comment about that in the U.S., I think from some of the big U.S. banks about the concern globally about how much leverage is going into the sector. And I think you can make your own observations about that. We're not doing it that way. We're doing it the way we've done it for the last 14, 15 years since the GFC that everyone sort of forgets about. But I've got to say some of the trend lines around leverage around data centers, in particular, to me seem extreme.

Operator

operator
#55

Your final question comes from Ben Brayshaw with Barrenjoey.

Benjamin Brayshaw

analyst
#56

Thanks for the additional disclosure on the sites. Could you just comment on the leasing demand for the DCs in WIP and just in relation to the timing of when you expect the customer commitments to come through, obviously, recognizing that Hong Kong 10 is leased.

Gregory Goodman

executive
#57

Look, I think we said a bit earlier, that's a '26 conversation with the market. And -- but the conversation is going on now. Our major program at the moment is the starts. Because until you start them and you've got -- like I said, an RF state, so when you can deliver a floor, there's not much point in signing a deal. So we're working through that at the moment. This is as good as it gets in regard to a European portfolio. I think it's strong in Australia. Japan is very, very, very good. So we've given ourselves every opportunity to do some very, very good business in '26.

Benjamin Brayshaw

analyst
#58

And could you clarify, will there be a balance sheet asset sell down into the European partnership? And could you comment on the quantum of the sell-down, please?

Gregory Goodman

executive
#59

Well, I think no. I can't right at this point because there's a number of conversations going on about that right at the moment. But I think the European assets on the page would be a good guess I would have thought.

Nick Vrondas

executive
#60

And they are all on the balance sheet, 100% at the moment. So to confirm that.

Operator

operator
#61

There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. Goodman for closing remarks.

Gregory Goodman

executive
#62

Thank you very much.

Operator

operator
#63

Thank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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