Greenlane Renewables Inc. (GRN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 9, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Greenlane Renewables, Inc. Third Quarter 2022 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Today's call is being recorded, and a replay will be available on the Greenlane website. I'd like to now turn the call over to Darren Seed from Incite Capital Markets. You may begin your conference.
Darren Seed
attendeeThank you, operator, and good afternoon. Welcome to the Greenlane Renewables Third Quarter 2023 Conference Call. I'm joined today by Ian Kane, Greenlane's President and Chief Executive Officer; Monty Balderston, Greenlane's Chief Financial Officer; and Brad Douville, Greenlane's Executive Vice Chair. Before beginning our formal remarks, we'd like to remind listeners that today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements that reflect current views with respect to future events. Any such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in these forward-looking statements. Greenlane Renewables does not undertake to update any forward-looking statements, except as may be required by applicable laws. Listeners are urged to review the full discussion of risk factors in the company's annual information form, which has been filed with Canadian securities regulators. Lastly, while this conference call is open to the public and for the sake of revenue, questions will be prioritized for analysts. Now I'll turn the call over to Ian.
Ian Kane
executiveThanks Darren. Good afternoon, and thank you for your participation on the call today. Given that this is my first conference call as CEO for Greenlane, I would like to start off with a slightly different format before turning over the call to Monty for more detailed review of the numbers. Q3 was my first quarter as President and CEO of the company. I accepted this role because of the opportunity that I believe newly represents to help transition to more difficult sector decarbonization, that being natural gas tile markets and the commercial transportation industry. Greenlane with a 10-year history in the RNG industry with over 35 years of experience. The company was born out of its proprietary water wash system and have added 2 other major technologies, most often used in the biogas upgrade to its portfolio, namely pressure swing adoption and membrane separation. These 3 cores upgrading technologies, coupled with our big desulfurization products allows us to provide the right solutions for the majority of the RNG projects across all of the most common feedstocks. Greenlane experienced exponential revenue growth in the first several years of becoming public in 2019. While we continue to see many opportunities to grow our business further, we must do so at a pace that optimizes our resources and does not overextend our balance sheet. My goal as CEO is to manage the company's sales group with a focus on execution and overall company profitability. We took action in 2023 and have been investing towards making the business scalable and creating operational leadership through the implementation of new systems and related processes. We've also rebranded and launched our new line of sector-focused standard products in September that will contribute to streamline processes and cost efficiencies. Our standard products or configure-to-order annual result, re-engineering [indiscernible] and repeatability, simplified and faster sales projects. We are building and optimizing the business to achieve sustainable positive adjusted EBITDA results. We expect the actions we are taking to drive positive adjusted EBITDA for fiscal year 2024, recognizing that the timing of new purchase orders for our barges upgrading equipment can vary from quarter to quarter. We have the drive to succeed and will continue to focus on efficiencies and overall cost reduction through key programs such as the implementation of ERP and the PLM system. These efforts will continue in 2024, but at a lower paying level with much of the initial investment having been made in 2023. These initiatives, coupled with our focused efforts to increase our system sales have already benefited Greenlane with the largest sales contract in the company's history announced last month. The changes underway will take some time to show in our financial results, but are expected to reflect our resilience, adaptability and commitment to deliver on our overall long-term results as we grow our product sales in existing and exciting new markets. I look forward to keeping the public informed of our progress and want to thank the Greenlane employees for their continued hard work and drive, and I look forward to bringing you further updates as we progress. With that, I will hand you now over to Monty.
Monty Balderston
executiveThank you, Ian, and good afternoon, everyone. As a reminder, all figures are in Canadian dollars, unless otherwise stated, and all comparisons are for the third quarter of 2023 against the third quarter of 2022. Greenlane’s revenue in the third quarter was $10.1 million compared with $19.9 million in the same period 1 year ago. System sales revenue accounted for 81% of total revenue in the quarter, which is recognized in accordance with the stage of completion of projects, with the remaining 19% of revenue coming from after care services. We delivered a gross margin in Q3 of 31% or $3.1 million compared to $4.9 million or 25% in the third quarter of 2022. The increase in gross margin percentage was largely driven by a higher proportion of service and component revenue versus system revenue in the current quarter. We reported an adjusted EBITDA loss in the third quarter of $4.5 million versus a $400,000 profit in the third quarter of 2022. Net loss and comprehensive loss in Q3 2023 was $5.2 million compared to a profit of $300,000 in the comparative quarter of 2022. The loss was driven by a lower contribution from gross margin as a result of lower revenue, bad debt expenses for provisions on projects and an increase in professional fees, insurance and system implementation costs. The company's sales order backlog was $46.7 million. As a reminder, sales order backlog is a snapshot at one moment in time, which varies from quarter-to-quarter. The sales order backlog increases by the value of new system sales contracts and is drawn down over time as projects progress towards completion with amounts recognized in revenue. Note that sales order backlog does not include our Cascade H2S sales, service revenue or revenue from the company's royalty agreement with a biogas. Our balance sheet remains healthy, and we exited the quarter with a cash balance of $16.9 million and no debt, providing flexibility for Greenlane to invest in and grow our core RNG business as well as pursue other strategic initiatives. We look forward to keeping the shareholders apprised of our progress. And with that, I will open up the call to questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Aaron MacNeil with TD Collins.
Aaron MacNeil
analystMaybe I'm reading too much into this, but it seems like you've changed the language around your goal to be EBITDA positive in Q1 of '24 to within the year 2024. So I'm wondering if you could just give us a sense of what your latest expectations are in terms of your path to profitability.
Monty Balderston
executiveIt's Monty speaking. You are accurate. Obviously, the biggest variable there is system sales and revenue mix. And so obviously, we do have a number of projects that are in the pipeline, if you want to call it that. But the exact timing of when those will land is not necessarily perfect or descriptive as to when they're going to land. So we are seeing some potential that Q1 is not the answer. But we are moving down that path throughout, the second half of this year. And one of the reasons why is here is to drive that. And then in 2024, there will be more changes that we believe that fiscal 2024 is the current target.
Aaron MacNeil
analystWorking capital, excluding cash, is around $1.5 million, it's down quite a bit sequentially. And I'm just wondering how we should think about reinvesting in working capital now that you've got this large order and with SIG over the next couple of quarters?
Monty Balderston
executiveTypically, if you were to go back, let's call it, 6 months or a year or 1.5 years, we'd be carrying loosely speaking, somewhere in the $5 million to $7 million range in noncash net working capital. And with the exception of the order that just came in on October 5, we've seen a lot of projects to get to the end. All the receivables has been collected and will be able to get paid. So that answer sits now in the cash balance. As we go forward on new projects, we don't have that cushion, effectively, we have the cash. And so in the case of this large order that we just signed, a significant amount of efforts were put into what is called the concept of aid 1 paid, you get paid when we get paid so that we don't have to carry a large or unusual working capital balance in the form of net AR.
Aaron MacNeil
analystMaybe I'll just sneak one more in. You highlight that you expect some royalty revenue from ZAGG in the first half of next year. How would you characterize the work you're performing in the magnitude?
Monty Balderston
executiveWe do have some of our engineering team, I want to say project team, which includes primarily engineering folks. And so we have been working very closely with the day since the agreement was announced in April. So loosely, it's been 6 to 7 months exercise now. And I would suggest that most of the heavy lifting is done. And so payments that have been made and costs that have been incurred have been deferred on the balance sheet until the first unit that will be the revenue trigger. And so our expectation for 2024 is that we'll see at least 1 unit land in the first fiscal half of the year, and then it will accelerate in the second half of the year with units 225 happening either in late 2024 or early 2020.
Aaron MacNeil
analystAnd can you say what the revenue per unit is or?
Monty Balderston
executiveAt this time, no, but we don't provide forward guidance, but you will see it when it hits. It will be a separate line item in the P&L.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from David Quezada with Raymond James.
David Quezada
analystMaybe just one question on how cost will trend year-over-year. I'm just curious because you mentioned like things like ERP and the PLM programs, that there were some costs related to those in '23 that would fall off in '24. That, and there were some bad debt that we mentioned in the quarter. I'm just wondering, like for each of those buckets, if you can quantify how much cost you saw this year and that would be the question how much cost was incorporated there.
Monty Balderston
executiveIn our MD&A, we do provide some specific numbers of one of being we did incur or we recorded an allowance in the quarter for a bad debt expense of $1.5 million. Obviously, we don't want that to ever recur, but it does happen from time to time. So that's a, if you want to call it, a current not of an unusual item that was significant. And then I would suggest on the PLM and ERP front, there are costs that we have incurred that are going to continue going forward. So for instance, the licensing fee, they're all cloud-based programs. I do have an annual cost that wasn't in our historical numbers, but what goes away as the consultants. The implementation consultants have been working heavily in Q2 and Q3. And part Q4, we actually just went live with our ERP on November 1. So we do expect you're going to see a little bit of those costs in Q4, but they should turn down significantly into 2024. To throw a number I would suggest that in the last 2 quarters, the nonrecurring portion would be in the $300,000 range would be a good proxy of respective consulting costs that hopefully should not recur in 2024.
David Quezada
analystAnd then maybe just as for the outlook, obviously, you had that big project win in Brazil. I would imagine it's a fairly high-profile project. I'm curious if that has driven any more inbound inquiries in that market? And maybe if you could just give us provide some thoughts on what you're seeing there in Brazil and when we might see a bit of an uptick in North America. What dynamics you're seeing there?
Ian Kane
executiveThere's no doubt, Brazil is a focus for us, and we have a number of different discussions with potential customers. There's a lot of activity for us. We've demonstrated, we've delivered projects there, and we've been successful at delivering there. We're also building a team there. And so we expect that to be a focus for us going forward.
Monty Balderston
executiveAnd then your comments about North America just because we haven't announced any sales of we're not active. We have a number of projects that are in various levels of discussion. It's just that for a variety of reasons, they haven't gotten across the bone, but we do have some projects near term that we do have expectations turning into orders. It's just predicting the timing of certainty is nearly possible.
Brad Douville
executiveI'll just add a bit extra color. So you'll recall in the last quarter, we talked about the change in GPA's program as it relates to the Erin. So that was a relatively recent thing in the context of the development cycle with the projects. So we had highlighted that last quarter in terms of a bit of a drag on our customer base in the U.S., particularly those that were not reliant on the LCS program in California. That's the yield [Technical Difficulty] radar RIN pricing and that caused a bunch of the landfill developers to swing back into action. In terms of the activity level on the sales side of things, it's healthy as a consequence.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions]. Our next question is from Nick Boychuk with Cormark Securities.
Nicholas Boychuk
analystGoing and continuing on the same theme of the landfill. I'm curious, guys, Ian and Brad, if you can comment on how many other landfills you think there are in the state could potentially have a similar order size to what you just did in Brazil, specifically trying to figure out if you're looking just generally at your backlog and the opportunity set available to you, where does that come from relative to [indiscernible] and the type of projects that maybe are a little bit more reliant on that California market where the prices are still a little bit on you did. So just trying to get a sense of that landscape.
Ian Kane
executiveAs you know, the U.S. market has been active for R&D so much longer than the Brazilian market. Many of the larger sites are emit one we announced was $35 million. So that's a big bag project. And a lot of those very large ones in the U.S. have been already converted over to R&D, not to say that there isn't some large reflects. The focus in the U.S. is going more to getting the midsize and some of that small and midsized one’s going. I wouldn't expect to see a ton of order flow in [Technical Difficulty] contract value. On the Brazilian side, as Ian mentioned, it is a focus area for the company, and the market today in Brazil is very much looking at the leases for obvious reasons because they're large plane sources. Brazil has steeper and high-producing land sales part because of the mix of organic matter that goes into them, the trough being the tropics, to get the ones that those things contribute to high gas production out of the landfill. So Brazilian context, there is quite a number of opportunity like that to come. And hence, why we felt the team. We continue to double down on our market leadership in that part of the world because we do see a tremendous amount of opportunity there. And so our focus on the sales side is both markets, Brazil, North America as it relates to landfill.
Nicholas Boychuk
analystJust touching as well and I'm curious if when you're looking at this opportunity in front of you, it's obviously exciting, but you've got $17 or so millions of cash on hand. Are there any acquisitions that you could potentially have interest in or ways you would try and turbocharge the growth and really streamline this opportunity and start to realize some of these things sooner? Any color there?
Brad Douville
executiveOur focus for the short term is to ensure we've got execution of our projects and managing our costs. And then on top of that, driving our standard products. We believe our standard products give us a competitive edge. As I mentioned, the 3 technologies are key, and that's where our focus is going to be for the next period. We always open 2 technologies and potential acquisitions that align with our standard products, and we'll keep eyes open and our discussions continue with various parties. But at this stage, our primary focus is on cost management, standard products, optimizing our delivery and execution of existing projects.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions]. Seeing no further questions. This concludes the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Darren Seed for any closing remarks.
Darren Seed
attendeeThank you for participating on today's call, everyone. We appreciate your questions as well as ongoing interest and support and look forward to seeing you on the next conference call.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.
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