HMC Capital Limited (HMC) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 26, 2026

ASX AU Financials Capital Markets earnings 52 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the HMC Capital Limited FY '26 Full Year Results Briefing. I'd now like to hand the conference over to Mr. David Di Pilla, Group Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

David Di Pilla

executive
#2

Good morning, and thank you for joining today's call. With me on the call this morning are Group CFO, Will McMicking; and Group COO, Victoria Hardie. I'll start the presentation on Slide 5. Financial year '26 was a year of disciplined execution against our key strategic priorities, leaving the business well positioned for growth in financial year '27. Firstly, we delivered financial results in line with our guidance. Second, we made substantial progress on the strategic initiatives we outlined to simplify, scale and strengthen the business. Over the last 12 months, we've sharpened our focus on the areas where we have the greatest competitive advantages and the strongest growth opportunities, improving both the quality of earnings and the scalability of the platform. Third, we've materially strengthened the balance sheet through capital recycling. HMC today has considerable balance sheet liquidity to accelerate organic growth across all our verticals. And finally, we're entering financial year '27 with significant dry powder and fundraising momentum. We see multiple pathways to grow our fee-generating AUM and recurring earnings across each of our verticals. I'd now like to turn to the result itself on Slide 6. Operating EPS finished at $0.404 for the year, in line with our guidance. Fee-generating assets under management increased to $16.9 billion, up 15% on financial year '25. This is predominantly underpinned by growth in institutional capital partnerships during the period. Recurring funds management revenue increased to $165.5 million, up 22% on financial year '25, demonstrating strong growth in high-quality recurring income, which we expect to accelerate in financial year 2027. We also finished the year with a strengthened balance sheet. We now have liquidity and investment capacity with tangible assets and undrawn debt capacity of approximately $1.9 billion. And finally, the Board has declared a final dividend of $0.06 per share for the period, bringing the full year dividend to $0.12 per share. Turning now to Slide 7, our strategy. This is the strategy we outlined in May, and I'm not going to spend a lot of time walking through it today because it remains unchanged and continues to underpin the way we're building HMC Capital. At its core, our purpose is simple: to create value in quality real assets through operational expertise, particularly where we see opportunities that are overlooked, underutilized or can benefit from active management. The key message is that this strategy provides a repeatable framework for value creation by building scalable platforms, which deliver high-quality recurring funds management earnings. Moving now to Slide 8 and progress on our strategic objectives. Starting with Simplify. During the period, we completed the windup of HMCCP and commenced the scale back of our U.S. digital operations, which is now reported as a discontinued operation. These actions have delivered run rate cost savings and released approximately $150 million of capital to the balance sheet from HMCCP. On scale, in private credit, we secured $1.35 billion of new institutional mandates, providing substantial dry powder to grow fee-generating AUM. In real estate, we continue to grow our unlisted institutional AUM, supported by strong demand for retail development opportunities. In energy, we completed the $603 million institutional partnership with KKR. This validates the quality of the platform and provides capital to fund future developments. In digital, we've taken important steps to recycle capital out of lower returning U.S. assets and into high-yielding opportunities within the Australian platform. And finally, on strengthen. The steps taken this year have strengthened the balance sheet as we end the year with increased liquidity and support future growth. Importantly, we have over $5 billion of AUM growth opportunities across the platform and are ready to scale our verticals further. We're building a business driven by recurring management fees supported by long-duration institutional capital and multiple growth platforms. Turning now to Slide 9, which highlights the significant progress we've made in building HMC Capital into a scaled alternative asset manager over the last 5 years. Since 2021, fee-generating AUM has grown from just over $2 billion to $17 billion, representing a compound growth rate of approximately 52% per annum. Over the same period, funds management revenue has increased at around 60% per annum. Importantly, the majority of that growth has been generated organically. What's often overlooked is that 3 of our 4 verticals being digital, private credit and energy were only established over the last few years. A considerable portion of our effort during the past 18 months has been focused on institutionalizing and operationalizing these platforms, investing in people, systems, governance and origination capability to create a scalable foundation. Today, we are seeing the benefits of that investment. Each platform is now well positioned to attract capital and grow its recurring earnings through '27 and beyond. 60% of our AUM is now held in perpetual vehicles, creating long-duration capital that underpins our earnings. Moving now to Slide 10, our balance sheet. Over the last 3 years, we've used our balance sheet to seed and scale new platforms. We've executed over $3 billion of strategic acquisitions to establish our digital, private credit and energy verticals and in so doing, increased fee-generating AUM by $8.8 billion and added more than $100 million per annum of funds management revenue. Minimal goodwill was paid to create these recurring earnings streams. Today, following the capital recycling achieved through the energy partnership and the wind up of HMCCP, our balance sheet is back to $500 million of undrawn debt capacity and $1.4 billion of investments. We're now focused on driving higher returns from these balance sheet investments across our co-investments, our listed positions and our Illuma Energy platform. We've identified a number of opportunities to recycle our capital into higher returning investments over the medium term. Now let's put this into context. The chart on this slide highlights this transition and demonstrates that by optimizing our balance sheet investments of approximately $1.4 billion, we believe we could generate an additional $25 million to $50 million per annum of underlying earnings over time. As we think about it today, there are multiple pathways to achieve this. And as part of that, we expect the weighting towards principal investments to increase from around 35% to 50% as we recycle our balance sheet capital positions. Now moving to Slide 11, which highlights why we have so much momentum coming into '27 with over $5 billion of growth opportunities across our verticals. In real estate, we have around $2 billion of dry powder through our unlisted funds, HARP, HUG, LML and our listed HDN. In digital, DigiCo is progressing 67 megawatts of new capacity across SYD1 and ADL1, representing $1.2 billion of near-term capital growth. HMC is also progressing a further 1 gigawatt of greenfield opportunities across digital infrastructure, leveraging our digital and energy expertise. In private credit, following the establishment of 2 institutional mandates in recent months, we now have over $1 billion of investment capacity across our mandates and pooled funds. While the current dislocation in the residential real estate market is creating challenges for some managers, we believe it will create opportunities to deliver increased fund returns for our investors without materially increasing risk. We believe our platform is now market-leading in terms of risk and asset management, independent valuations and governance. And in energy, we have committed equity for our first BESS project with around 2 gigawatts of further developments moving towards FID over the next couple of years. As you can see, each vertical has a clear pathway to grow, and we are well positioned to execute across all of them. With that, I'll now hand over to Victoria to take us through the detail.

Victoria Hardie

executive
#3

Thanks, David, and good morning. Starting with our real estate vertical on Slide 13. This remains our largest and most established platform, contributing almost $90 million in management and transaction fee revenue in FY '26. Our unlisted real estate AUM grew 15% in FY '26 to $2.9 billion, underpinned by strong deployments across our retail property strategies. David already touched on our $2 billion of growth opportunities in this vertical, providing a clear path to further scale the platform. A key differentiator for HMC's real estate platform is that we are not simply allocators of capital. We actively manage and develop assets to create value for our investors. This is evidenced by the performance track record of our existing unlisted funds, which have generated a 12% weighted average IRR since inception. We also continue to assess selective asset sales and capital recycling opportunities across the listed platform to support a reduction in gearing, enhance balance sheet flexibility and take advantage of value-accretive acquisitions. On HCW, the dividend guidance has been reinstated at $0.06 per share in FY '27, subject to the Healthscope situation being resolved, which we expect in the coming weeks. And importantly, 100% of Healthscope rent has been paid up to and including August 2026. Turning to private credit on Slide 14. Our private credit business grew 17% in FY '26 to $2.3 billion, driven by strong inflows from wholesale investors into both our pooled and direct funds, and that's before the $1.35 billion of institutional mandates we recently announced. The financial result for FY '26 for private credit was impacted by reduced loan origination volumes in the second half, reflecting a more disciplined approach to deployment in response to evolving market conditions. We have, however, seen a strong start to loan origination volumes this year. The business continues to focus on middle market CRE loans of $20 million to $250 million, primarily senior secured lending in the residential and industrial segments across the Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Gold Coast metro markets. We have a pipeline of over $4 billion of deals under evaluation to support deployment in FY '27 and are continuing to strengthen our origination capability, expanding into the New South Wales market, increasing our average loan sizes and deepening our repeat borrower relationships. The quality of the book underpins continued growth in our private credit business. Portfolio construction is deliberately diversified with the largest single exposure, approximately 3% of the book. Institutional-grade risk management and governance and the significant investment we've made in the platform positions us to keep growing with discipline. Slide 15 demonstrates why this is now an institutional-grade platform. You can see the transformation between 2024 and 2026. Committed AUM has grown from $1.5 billion to $3.3 billion, and the proportion held in pooled funds and mandates has increased from 49% to 85%. We've also introduced institutional mandates, a majority independent trustee Board, quarterly independent valuations and dynamic AASB 9 provisioning, none of which were in place 2 years ago. Supporting this is a market-leading team of more than 70 specialists, most drawn from senior banking backgrounds. Our key leaders in credit, property risk and lending bring an institutional approach developed over long careers at the major banks. Our property risk team is, in our view, best in market with in-house valuers, construction managers and quantity surveyors that most managers simply don't have. We also provision for credit losses like a bank does with EY conducting quarterly independent reviews of provisioning and carrying values. The track record of our flagship core fund speaks for itself, returning 8.7% over the last 12 months and with 0 principal losses since inception. This is now a scalable institutional-grade platform with the capability to attract and retain global capital. And you can see the proof of that on Slide 16, with $1.35 billion of new institutional mandates from global investors as previously announced in June. These mandates will take our AUM to $3.3 billion once deployed, representing growth of 120% over the past 2 years. These mandates include a strategic partnership with TPG Credit, one of the largest and most experienced credit investors globally. The partnership was established following TPG's rigorous manager selection and due diligence process in Australia. And the partnership is focused on larger opportunities, having been seeded with $375 million of loans. Importantly, our origination pipeline is building to support these mandates and to seed new ones, and we expect institutional capital to represent a growing share of AUM over the medium term. Turning to Digital Infrastructure on Slide 17. DGT delivered a strong FY '26 result with underlying EBITDA of $127 million, ahead of the $125 million guidance and generating $35 million of management fee revenue for HMC. Simon Mitchell and Ralph Goninan were last week appointed as Co-Heads of DGT with both having played critical roles leading the development and execution of DGT's refreshed strategy. Alongside this, Damian Secen has been appointed as HMC's Managing Director, Infrastructure, covering both our digital and energy verticals. The DGT strategy update announced in May is now largely progressed with the sale of CHI1 and LAX1/2 well advanced. In addition, we have recently reached agreement with our tenant at Dallas and Kansas to extend the lease terms to 2036. We are now focusing on Australia, where DGT has operational and development capabilities with a team of over 100 people. The expansion of our marquee SYD1 asset is well underway. The first 20-megawatt deployment has been completed on time and budget. DGT has executed LOIs for the remaining 52 megawatts of capacity with high-quality customers, and the expansion has been accelerated with a targeted delivery over FY '27 and '28. The sale of U.S. assets will increase DGT's liquidity to around $1.2 billion, which fully funds the highly accretive SYD1 expansion. DGT is also progressing the ADL1 15-megawatt brownfield expansion, underpinned by advanced customer discussions. Together, these developments support a pathway to a stabilized Australian platform EBITDA of $250 million for DGT once the SYD1 and ADL1 expansions reach stabilized occupancy and billing. The digital platform continues to benefit from powerful megatrends with AI, cloud migration and data growth driving sustained demand for high-quality power-backed infrastructure and supporting future growth in digital AUM. In Australia, the ability to originate, develop and operate power-enabled sites responsibly with a clear focus on community engagement and social license is becoming a key differentiator. HMC is assessing a pipeline of over 1 gigawatt of greenfield opportunities where we can bring together development expertise, operational capability and energy market insights from across the group. Turning now to energy on Slide 18. Through Illuma Energy, we've now established a scaled integrated renewables and storage platform, a top 10 platform in the National Electricity Market with $1.5 billion of AUM across wind, solar and battery storage. Importantly, we've transitioned energy from balance sheet seeding to institutional capital with a development pipeline and multiple pathways to realize value over time. The platform has 652 megawatts of operating capacity, of which 85% is contracted and a substantial development pipeline of around 5 gigawatts across 19 projects. Within that, we have roughly 2 gigawatts of near-term projects progressing towards final investment decision, including the Moorabool, Molong, Bawurra and Kentbruck projects. The introduction of institutional capital gives us a capital-light growth pathway while preserving HMC's exposure to platform value creation. Through our institutional partnership, Illuma has secured a $248 million capital commitment to fund up to 90% of the equity component of the platform's first BESS project. And HMC's invested capital has reduced to around $200 million while retaining the majority of future upside. And there are multiple pathways to realize value in the platform, including the introduction of additional third-party capital into the platform by syndication or to fund further growth and a clear AUM pathway of $3 billion plus from near-term projects. Slide 19 sets out Illuma's near-term development projects. We are actively progressing these projects across batteries and wind with each advancing well through land approvals, grid connection and offtake. And importantly, we expect these projects to deliver 20% plus target returns on our invested capital. Finally, on sustainability on Slide 20, which remains core to how we operate. As the group has expanded, we're aligning our sustainability framework with our broader platform. During the year, we reviewed our priorities to reflect the new Illuma Energy and digital verticals, and this is informing the evolution of our strategy and targets with a further update expected later this year. We made solid progress across all 3 pillars. From an environmental perspective, our Illuma Energy partnership is supporting the decarbonization of the NEM and 2 of our real estate developments achieved 4-star Green Star certifications. We continue to focus on social and community impact with the HMC Capital Foundation making grants to 9 organizations, including 6 scholarships supporting First Nations and regional students. Gender diversity improved to 67% female representation for our independent Board Director positions across the group. And we maintained our MSCI ESG rating of A. It's an ongoing priority, and we remain committed to pursuing growth that supports positive long-term impact for all stakeholders. I will now hand to Will McMicking to discuss our financial results.

William McMicking

executive
#4

Thanks, Victoria. And turning now to the earnings summary on Slide 22. For FY '26, HMC delivered operating earnings before tax of $166.8 million or $0.404 per share, which was in line with guidance. Adjusted for the discontinued operations of StratCap USA, the group recorded funds management EBITDA of $88.5 million and operating earnings increased to $0.437 per share. Management fee revenue increased 23% to $159.3 million, driven by fee-earning AUM growth in real estate and a full year contribution from digital. Transaction and performance revenue reduced to $41.2 million, reflecting the absence of larger transaction revenue that was recorded in FY '25. Employee expenses were stable year-on-year, while corporate expenses increased modestly as we continued to invest in platform capability. Distribution income declined, reflecting no distributions received from HCW for the period, while investments comprised an unrealized fair value gain from the energy platform of $146 million, partly offset by a fair value loss in the Capital Partners Fund of $55 million. Interest expenses increased to $22.8 million due to senior debt drawn to warehouse energy transition assets. And a final dividend of $0.06 per share has been declared, bringing total FY '26 dividends to $0.12. Turning to the balance sheet on Slide 23. Net tangible assets at 30 June were $1.2 billion or $2.95 per share. Following the completion of the energy sell-down, HMC's investment in the platform has moved to an equity accounted investment, while the HMC Capital Partners in-specie return has transitioned to a direct investment held at fair value following the wind up of the fund. Gearing was 10.7% as at June '26, which decreased compared to December '25 with the completion of the energy transaction. Moving to capital management on Slide 24. Drawn debt of $219.5 million is substantially lower than December '25, leaving more than $500 million in cash and undrawn debt, which when combined with $1.4 billion of tangible balance sheet assets, positions HMC well into FY '27. I'll now hand it to David.

David Di Pilla

executive
#5

Thanks, Will. And now turning to the outlook for financial year '27. We move into financial year '27 with real momentum, a strong balance sheet and a platform with dry powder for earnings growth. We're guiding to financial year '27 underlying earnings of at least $0.35 per share, and that's a 16% year-on-year growth. However, if we exclude the energy transition fee capital charge of $35 million earned in financial year '26, this represents 60% growth year-on-year. That step-up is underpinned by 3 drivers: one, more than 30% in recurring funds management revenue driven by our digital and private credit platforms; two, a 35% increase in co-investment distributions from DGT, HCW and HDN; and finally, fixed cost leverage as we expect to grow our recurring revenues faster than the cost base. Importantly, this guidance excludes any upside from capital recycling on our balance sheet, large transactions and one-off gains in investment income on existing principal investments. We also expect 100% conversion of underlying earnings guidance to cash in financial year '27 as noncash arrangements for management fees cease. On the dividend, we're guiding to $0.15 per share, up 25% on financial year '26 supported by the growth in recurring earnings and consistent with our strategy of largely reinvesting retained earnings in accretive growth opportunities. I'd like to thank everyone for joining, and I'll now hand the call back to the operator for Q&A.

Operator

operator
#6

Your first question today comes from Solomon Zhang from UBS.

Solomon Zhang

analyst
#7

Just interested in your feedback just on your private credit funds, particularly just on the pooled side, and we're seeing a redemption request lift. What have you sort of assumed in your '27 guidance around the trajectory of that component, noting that you've obviously got strong inflows coming through from the insto side and deployment of that mandate?

David Di Pilla

executive
#8

As I said earlier, our credit standards across the group are in really good shape. We have a really good team on the ground, dealing with most of our pooled fund wholesale investors. We stay close to them. We communicate regularly. We've seen a small amount of redemption activity in the last few months. But when we offset that against inflows, it's quite negligible.

Solomon Zhang

analyst
#9

Great. So you're still seeing net inflows, I take it from your clients?

David Di Pilla

executive
#10

There were inflows this month. And so they largely offset the outflows.

Solomon Zhang

analyst
#11

Great. And maybe just a question for Will. So taking a look at Page 30 of the earnings by division. Just on the energy transition line, it doesn't seem like there's any EBITDA coming through any debt costs from the platform. Just wanted to confirm, are those excluded from your measure of underlying earnings?

William McMicking

executive
#12

Yes. So the gain of $146 million there, that was net of the platform operating cash flows and financing. So we ended up booking a fair value gain on the assets of about $200 million after transaction costs. So we effectively valued the platform AV of $1.2 billion.

Solomon Zhang

analyst
#13

Great. And just in terms of contribution into '27, just on the operating side, post interest expense. Could you just give us a little bit of a steer there?

William McMicking

executive
#14

Yes. I mean we're really trying to focus the attention on underlying earnings, which is the funds management EBITDA cash distributions and then any realized gains from principal investments. So we'll probably just leave it at that. As Vic sort of touched on, the platform is delivering well, but that's very much a long-term investment. So it will be realized in the future, and that's when it will go into earnings.

Operator

operator
#15

The next question comes from Simon Chan from Morgan Stanley.

Simon Chan

analyst
#16

David, you spent a bit of time talking about optimizing returns this morning from balance sheet investment. And I think you threw out the number out there, $25 million to $50 million on a per annum basis from optimizing returns. Can you just give me some insights into what you mean there? Is it simply putting stuff, putting your money into higher-yielding investments, yielding 9% rather than 6% and hence, you get the $25 million to $50 million a year? Or is it more, hey, we're going to get the transaction machine going and we're going to do deals that will generate $25 million to $50 million a year of transaction profits?

David Di Pilla

executive
#17

So you've asked 2 questions in one, and I'll break that up into 2 questions, Simon. So you're very insightful in terms of the comment. It's the former. So it's basically generating a better return on our capital. So yes, you're correct, recycling from lower-yielding investments into higher-yielding returns. So that's where we -- the comment around the $25 million to $50 million of increased earnings comes from. So it's really just recycling into higher-yielding returns. And then in terms of the guidance, I was very clear and explicit. The guidance does not include any transaction fees.

Simon Chan

analyst
#18

Great. That's very clear. I just got a follow-up to the previous chat's question to Will about energy. Will, so am I reading you right to say to conclude that energy is unlikely to develop -- sorry, to generate any EBITDA contribution in FY '26 FY '27?

William McMicking

executive
#19

No, that's not correct. I guess what we're saying is all our equity investments, we include cash distributions in our underlying earnings. I mean that's a long-term investment. It's planning to invest, not declare dividends. So as and when those investments are realized in the future, that's when it will go into earnings, but that's profitable.

Simon Chan

analyst
#20

Right. So is it possible that if the Moorabool battery, the decision gets made over the next 12 months over the course of FY '27, for example, if you decide to sell the project, sell the land, that could contribute to HMC group profit?

William McMicking

executive
#21

Yes. I mean the definition is if we're realizing net cash gains, then we'll book it into underlying profits.

Simon Chan

analyst
#22

Excellent. And just my final question. I think in Victoria's comments, you talked about slowdown in private credit in the second half. Can you just give me some insights into what happened there? Is it just you guys hitting the brakes? Or was it a slowdown in the general market conditions?

Victoria Hardie

executive
#23

It was a disciplined decision and a deliberate one to slow down on the lending side just to -- in response to the evolving market conditions that we were seeing following the interest rate hikes and the budget. So it was a risk management strategy. But as I said in my remarks, we have seen an uptick in origination volumes in this -- the beginning of FY '27.

Simon Chan

analyst
#24

What's average LVR across the platform now?

David Di Pilla

executive
#25

I think we would say that we quote within the pooled fund. So that's probably the best way to look at it where we've got the bulk of our exposures. The way the pooled fund works is it has a maximum -- it has an average target of 70%. But that's what we aspire to or that's what we aim for, no more than 70%. But it's running today in the mid-60s on average. It's actually 58 actually on average. So it's lower than that actual. So today, below 60%, but the average that the pooled fund targets is 70%.

Operator

operator
#26

Your next question comes from Ben Brayshaw from Barrenjoey.

Benjamin Brayshaw

analyst
#27

Could I just clarify, and I think I know the answer because you discussed it a couple of occasions, but does guidance include any allowance for unrealized fair value gains on investment assets?

William McMicking

executive
#28

You're correct. Ben, it doesn't.

David Di Pilla

executive
#29

We were very clear, no. The guidance is based on cash recurring earnings.

Benjamin Brayshaw

analyst
#30

Great. And can you just talk about the situation with StratCap? I mean how do you see that, I guess, evolving? Is the objective there to undertake a sale of the business? Or is it more a case of pursuing an orderly wind down?

David Di Pilla

executive
#31

Look, I think we -- based on the evaluation we've undertaken, we think the most cost-effective way for us as a group is just to go down the path of a more orderly wind down. And you'll see that reflected in the numbers. So we think that probably will be a bit of cost associated with that wind down in '27, and it will be largely gone in '28. And what we'll keep in the U.S. is just a small representative office there going forward to keep some optionality.

Operator

operator
#32

Your next question comes from Richard Jones from JPMorgan.

Richard Jones

analyst
#33

Just trying to clarify just in your underlying earnings, I think you clear your unrealized gains and losses are stripped out. Just in Slide 30, the $13.6 million loss in corporate. Is that StratCap predominantly?

William McMicking

executive
#34

No, that was balance sheet investments in ASX equities. Balance sheet investments.

Richard Jones

analyst
#35

Yes. Land lease, okay. And then what's the net interest on unrealized principal investments?

William McMicking

executive
#36

Yes. So the majority of the interest -- so keep in mind, we had net cash at June last year. The main investment that we undertook during the year was energy transition. So yes, assume all the interest was attributable to debt drawn to warehouse that asset and hold that $200 million investment today.

Richard Jones

analyst
#37

Okay. And then just can you just...

David Di Pilla

executive
#38

Richard, before you move on, that was obviously going through the numbers in '26. That won't be there in '27. So that's, again, another big factor in terms of why you're seeing such a big uplift in earnings.

Richard Jones

analyst
#39

Yes.

William McMicking

executive
#40

Yes.

Richard Jones

analyst
#41

Just the basis for the energy transition valuation at $1.2 billion and the obviously associated fair value adjustment, how does that compare with the $1.5 billion AUM that you quote?

William McMicking

executive
#42

Yes. So all our equity investments, we basically adopt AASB total assets. So the AASB accounting for energy has it at $1.5 billion, which basically uplifts derivatives contracts that they have within the business. So yes, I guess they're 2 slightly different numbers, but that's essentially it.

Richard Jones

analyst
#43

Okay. And then just can I ask about tax? Everything seems to be quoted on a pretax basis. Is the intention to move to a post-tax underlying earnings in the future? And can you maybe touch on what the tax -- it looks like a tax benefit in '26 was? And I guess, clarify your tax status around future losses to offset underlying earnings?

William McMicking

executive
#44

Yes. So I mean, we still have a material tax -- historical tax loss balance, which is sort of driven from the origins of the group as a developer. We're still using those losses. And I guess we'd guide to no cash tax in '27, which is why we still report our earnings on a pretax basis. And I guess we'll keep updating the market as we go. But yes, you can assume no cash tax in '27. And that tax benefit in '26 was as a result of holding the energy assets for 12 months. There was some -- as a developer development business, there was some large tax depreciation that essentially topped up the losses.

Operator

operator
#45

Your next question comes from David Pobucky from Macquarie Group.

David Pobucky

analyst
#46

Just one follow-up on the expectation that the weighting to principal investments increases from 35% to 50% over time. Are you able to talk a bit more about some of the opportunities you're seeing near term to recycle your balance sheet capital positions?

David Di Pilla

executive
#47

David, if we wanted to talk about those, we would have highlighted them in the result. I think what we're suggesting is that as has always been the case, HMC is the kind of group that likes choppy difficult markets. We've got a strong balance sheet going into a choppy, difficult market, and we think that's going to present some really interesting opportunities. And there's a number of those under evaluation at the moment. So we feel emboldened by the outlook, and we feel emboldened by the strength of the balance sheet going into '27. So it will not be necessarily something that we're going to telegraph out there, but we feel as though we've got really good opportunity to recycle the capital.

David Pobucky

analyst
#48

Yes. And just a second question on your distribution guidance of $0.15 per share, which is up on the $0.12 in FY '26. If you could please just talk to the distribution policy beyond FY '27 and how you think about balancing capital for growth versus paying distributions?

David Di Pilla

executive
#49

Look, I think we've always been of the view that we want to size our distribution based on our underlying cash generation and our cash earnings. What you'll see today is a very clear statement in the earnings outlook that we believe that there'll be -- with the earnings that we're guiding the market to today, there'll be a very high level of cash conversion in that. And therefore, we've decided to lift the distribution going into '27 to reflect that strong cash conversion.

David Pobucky

analyst
#50

Just my last one on cost savings. I think you previously noted about $15 million of cost savings from the digital platform. So if you could please just talk a bit more about -- and if there are additional cost savings and costs out expected in FY '27 versus what was delivered in the FY '26 result.

David Di Pilla

executive
#51

Yes. So I'd say that what we articulated, interestingly enough on the day of your conference earlier in May, we flagged a range of cost savings that we're articulating at the time was primarily focused in the digital business. That was all completed and executed in financial year '26. If you look at the guidance going into '27, there's a very clear point there on the guidance outlook slide on '26, where we've said we expect fixed cost leverage going into this year. So with cost efficiencies, we believe that our earnings and revenue growth will grow -- our revenue will grow faster than our costs quite materially, and that will give us some level of further outperformance. I think the way to potentially explain that is 3 new verticals coming on to the platform, 2 of which were infrastructure like. There was probably a level of cost that the group absorbed through the course of '26 to integrate those businesses. We feel as they're going into '27, there will be some natural efficiencies that we'll be able to take out of the group as we absorb those businesses and just get some run rate efficiencies going forward. So we're assuming that we're going to be able to hold costs where they are or probably slightly reduce them going into '27.

William McMicking

executive
#52

And that's what's giving you fixed cost leverage.

Operator

operator
#53

Your next question is from Tom Bodor from Jarden.

Tom Bodor

analyst
#54

Just be interested in back to Slide 10, how you're reducing your co-investment stakes relative to principal investments. Just be interested in your appetite to sell down your cornerstone stakes in DGT, HCW and HDN over time? And the second question is, if you sell down below NTA, does that get recorded as a negative contributor to underlying EPS...

David Di Pilla

executive
#55

Yes. So what I would say to you is they are strategic stakes that we've taken. We're not going to call out what we're thinking or what we're planning to do around any of that. We see still a lot of upside in DGT. As we flagged at the result, there's very significant LOIs in a very advanced state. So let's let that play out over time. HCW, again, we're close to resolution on the Healthscope situation. So again, this is fundamentally plenty of value in both of those entities and plenty of upside over the near term. Are we a holder at the levels that we are holding at the moment, over 20% in both? Probably not. But we're not flagging or telegraphing anything in regard to those at this point in time. HDN, we're happy with the level of holding at the moment. We're also holding nearly $150 million of listed investments on the balance sheet post the windup of capital partners. So we've got a number of different options, and I flagged it pretty clearly. We've got a number of different ways that we're thinking about recycling that capital. And so I'm not going to telegraph any sort of moves the group is going to make at this point in regard to its co-investment positions. But we wouldn't have put that slide forward if we didn't have a very clear path and a clear view. So we see good upside in those 2 stocks, and we'll just be sensible in the way we go about that transition.

Tom Bodor

analyst
#56

And so the second part of my question, if you did sell something below NTA, would that be included in underlying EPS as a negative?

William McMicking

executive
#57

Yes, that's right.

Operator

operator
#58

Your next question comes from James Druce from CLSA.

James Druce

analyst
#59

Just around sort of look-through leverage, how do we think about that? I think there's around $2 billion worth of sort of look-through liabilities. I know a lot of it's nonrecourse, but how do you sort of -- do you have a look-through gearing number that you're trying to manage? Or how do you think about that?

William McMicking

executive
#60

I mean all the debt in the funds is nonrecourse, just to clarify. I mean we do manage it, but I mean, keep in mind, this is a very diversified group, very diversified strategies. So it's -- I guess there's no one size fits all, but -- of course, it's very closely managed across the group.

David Di Pilla

executive
#61

Look, to answer that question, just to basically give you a very direct answer, 67% of the funds we manage in this group are in open-ended permanent capital structures. Our underlying businesses are high-quality real asset-based businesses that have an appropriate level of gearing in each of them. And at the end of the day, the focus that we, as a manager and as a listed group, think about very carefully is an appropriate and prudent level of gearing at the HMC capital level. And if you look at it today, Will articulated the net debt number today. If you take into account the liquid investments that we're holding on the balance sheet, our leverage and our gearing at the HMC capital level is almost 0. So we have plenty of financial flexibility and firepower going forward. So we think our balance sheet is in very robust shape. Look-through leverage is not something that we should be really focused on in this group.

James Druce

analyst
#62

Yes. I suppose what I'm trying to get at is that -- I mean, a lot of it sort of sits off the balance sheet. So I appreciate the lift of tones are pretty lowly geared, but the energy business is pretty highly geared, I suppose.

David Di Pilla

executive
#63

No, it's quite the opposite. It's not -- it's an appropriate level of gearing for an infrastructure business with high-quality underlying cash flows. And it's now got a major capital partnership with KKR, who have committed to fund future growth opportunities.

James Druce

analyst
#64

Okay. And then just on...

David Di Pilla

executive
#65

Where was the other look-through gearing that you're worried about?

James Druce

analyst
#66

I'm just trying to figure out how you guys think about that.

David Di Pilla

executive
#67

We think about it a lot, and we are very prudent. We think about it a lot, and we've got a strong balance sheet.

James Druce

analyst
#68

Okay. And then maybe just on FUM growth for this year. Just thinking about the real estate and private credit, obviously, the mandates are coming through. But just in terms of growth ex mandates, how are we thinking about that? And just real estate, anything -- what sort of growth you're expecting from FUM in that business?

David Di Pilla

executive
#69

So what we've called out in real estate is that if you go through HARP, HUG and LML, we've got the vast majority of the $2 billion comes through those and deployment of those mandates. And then there's some development CapEx that comes through HDN, but the vast majority of it comes through our institutional mandates in private credit. And we talked about the TPG mandate that we've just secured. And we've also got another mandate that we're not referencing the party, but it's a major global investor as well. So we've got over $1 billion of dry powder through mandates in private credit. And what we are seeing is the fact that we've invested heavily in that platform, we've been prudent. We've got a clean book. Our underwriting standards are high. As a result of that, we are actively progressing a number of other institutional mandates as well in the private credit space. So we feel really quite optimistic about the outlook in the sense that we think the market disruption and dislocation is potentially positive for our business.

Operator

operator
#70

Your next question comes from Simon Fitzgerald from Jefferies.

Simon Fitzgerald

analyst
#71

I got a really short one here. Just on the private credit mandate. I was just wondering, firstly, about the seed loans in terms of what asset classes they might belong to. And then hoping you can give us a little bit of color in terms of the $1 billion of dry powder, what sort of asset classes do you think you would attribute that to in terms of opportunities outside of real estate?

David Di Pilla

executive
#72

So the business has historically been focused on CRE, mid-market, as Victoria said in the presentation, loans up to $250 million. The new mandate we've secured is really consistent with the strategy. It's consistent with what we've always done, but it's really looking at larger opportunities. So the seed loans that went in were existing loans within the ecosystem that we've secured and we're about to secure, and they were loans on average of over $100 million, $150 million sizes in terms of the seed loans. So we've seeded it with a small number of larger loans, and that's where we will continue to deploy through those mandates.

Simon Fitzgerald

analyst
#73

And those seed loans are mostly real estate. Would that be correct?

David Di Pilla

executive
#74

The business has continued to stick to its strategy, which has been CRE. That's where we see dislocation. That's what we'll continue to execute into at this point.

Operator

operator
#75

There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. Di Pilla for any closing remarks.

David Di Pilla

executive
#76

I just want to thank everyone for joining the call, and we look forward to catching up with you over the coming days. Thank you.

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