iFAST Corporation Ltd. (AIY) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 27, 2026

SGX SG Financials Capital Markets earnings 71 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#1

Hi, everyone. Welcome to IFAST Corporation's Second Quarter 2026 and First Half 2026 Results Presentation. Today from the FA team, we have Chung Chun, our Group CEO; Terence, our Group CFO; as well as members from our finance and Corporate Communications team. So I am JP. I'm from the corporate team at FA. So what I'll do today is I'll run through the key summary and the business update. And Terence, our Group CFO, will give more colors and details on the group's financial results before we all proceed to our Q&A. So in our key summary, I think we've seen strong growth across the board for FA in second quarter of 2026. So if you look at some of the key numbers we've shared here, so total revenue was at $162.4 million, that's 34.8% higher year-on-year. Net profit was up 35% year-on-year to $29.8 million. EBITDA was up 32.7% year-on-year to $48.8 million. So all these numbers are for second quarter of this year. Group AUA reached a record new high of $36.13 billion. That's 32.8% higher compared to last year. In terms of the net inflows trend, we continue to see good momentum. So net inflows for second quarter was at $1.31 billion. That's 2.2% year-on-year growth. And regarding dividend, so our second interim dividend for FY 2026 is at $0.03 per ordinary share. That's 50% higher compared to last year. So we've seen increased profitability driven by growth across various divisions. So firstly, robust growth in AUA across the wealth management platforms in the group. Secondly, we've also seen record profit before tax at our bank division, IFAST Bank in the U.K. And we've also seen growth from our Hong Kong ePension division. So for the Hong Kong ePension division, an important milestone has been crossed in April of this year. So all 12 trustees and a total of 24 schemes have been successfully onboarded to the Hong Kong pension platform. So as mentioned just now, iFAST Global Bank saw higher and record pretax profit of $1.9 million in second quarter of this year. That's a year-on-year growth of 174.5% -- and the bank has continued to build on its first full year of profitability that we saw last year. In terms of the customer accounts, they have increased by over 50% year-on-year to more than 1.5 million accounts as of end of June 2026. So as I mentioned, for second interim dividend for FY 2026, the directors declared a dividend of $0.03 per share, so that's 50% higher compared to last year. And for full year of FY 2026, the directors expect to propose a total dividend of $0.12 per share or higher, which represents a 43% increase compared to FY 2025. So this is actually an increase compared to the previous guidance given, which was at $0.105 per share or higher, and we communicated that previously in April. As the group's overall profitability increases and the group's shareholder equity continues to grow, the directors are comfortable with increasing the dividend payout ratios gradually. We'll talk a bit more about that in the business update later. Barring unforeseen circumstances, the group expects 2026 to see healthy growth rates in revenues and profitability. The group is embracing AI to achieve the various objectives while having a lower group headcount. So overall group headcount has peaked in the middle of 2026 and is expected to be at a lower level at the end of 2028 as we work on achieving the various objectives that we have communicated in IF 3-year plan. So this will pave the way towards improving profit margins from next year onwards. So looking at our group AUA trend, so we saw record AUA level of $36.13 billion. So that's 32.8% higher year-on-year and also represents a robust 10.7% Q-on-Q growth. So both the B2B and the B2C divisions have seen strong year-on-year growth in their respective AUA. So B2B still continues to contribute about 65% of total group AUA with the remaining 35% coming from our B2C division. The other interesting thing to note is that record high AUA was observed across all the various geographical segments. In terms of the AUA breakdown by market -- so we can see that Singapore continues to be the core market with a contribution of about 69%, followed by Malaysia and Hong Kong at about 11-plus percent each and others, which is made up of China and U.K. In terms of products, Unit Trust remain the largest product contributor at 55% roughly, followed by stocks and ETFs and bonds as well as cash account and deposits. In terms of the various products, they also saw a strong year-on-year growth, whether it's across unit trust, stocks and ETFs as well as cash account and deposits. So I'll be going through the business updates where we are touching on a couple of key main points. before getting Terence to share more on the financial results. So I think in April of this year, we talked about IF 3-year plan. There are 6 strategic pillars in that plan and management team had given more colors on those 6 pillars in April of this year. So for this quarter, what we wanted to do was to see whether any of the pillars have seen any progress. And on this slide, we wanted to highlight these 3 points. I think firstly for Vision 2030, where we're talking about AUA target of $100 billion by 2030, which represents a CAGR of 25.6% over the next 5 years. So we wanted to also share that, as you've noticed, AUA trends remain very strong. So we saw the 32.8% year-on-year growth in group AUA. So we will continue to work towards building a truly global business with our digital banking and wealth management platforms. And we intend, of course, to continue delivering value for clients and partners worldwide. The second pillar that we updated just now as well is the ePension. So we've seen that milestone that has been crossed in April of this year. So all trustees as well as their respective schemes have been successfully onboarded. We will continue to focus on improving our service quality and operational efficiency. On the third point here, so we communicated, I think, last quarter that we expect to see group headcount peaking. So we are confirming that group headcount has peaked as of this quarter's update. We will continue to adopt AI across the various business units and also improving profit margins, supported by operating leverage. We will expect that to be observed from 2027 onwards. And regarding group headcount, we expect that to be at a lower level by end of 2028. So on the next slide, so a reiteration of the various pillars, the 6 key points of how the management team is looking at the 3-year plan and the longer-term trajectory for the company. So I won't go through that because we have updated 3 of the pillars already. On the next slide for the individual market update. So I've mentioned just now all markets recorded record high AUA levels across Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, China and the U.K. In terms of the various business divisions, I think within Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia and China, they've also seen strong and robust AUA growth rates, whether it's B2B, B2C or our Fast Global Markets division. For the profit and net revenue trends, robust growth for the key wealth management centers of Singapore, Hong Kong and Malaysia. We continue to observe the losses in our China operation narrowing. And the U.K., as I mentioned just now as well, so record quarterly profit in the second quarter of this year. Regarding net inflows, so they stood at $1.31 billion in second quarter of this year, bringing our first half 2026 net inflows to $2.56 billion. That's 15% higher compared to last year. We also see a very strong momentum regarding our key product, which is Unit Trust. So subscriptions were very strong in second quarter of this year at $3.67 billion. So that brings our first half 2026 number to $7 billion for UT subscription. That's 52% higher compared to last year. So we want to spend a bit of time talking about the bank as well because we've seen the latest progress from the bank. So record profit in second Q at $1.92 million, that's 174% higher year-on-year. So first half profit for the bank is at $2.61 million. That's 53% higher year-on-year. So for the bank, we also saw customer deposits reaching a record high level of $1.8 billion as of end of second quarter. So that's 25% higher year-on-year. So we wanted to just go back to how the bank has progressed with the deposit taking business, which was launched in April 2023. So in the last 3 years or so, the AUA has progressed. The deposit amount has reached a record high level, as I said. And also interest -- net interest revenue growth continues to grow strongly. So we saw net interest revenue grow by 37.9% year-on-year. The other division in the bank that's also seen a good growth momentum is actually the B2B business, which we call the business banking division. So I think in recent quarters, we have been seeing stronger business account openings and increased usage of the various services that the bank provides to its customers. And the third point here is really to just go back to how with the deposit taking business, with the growth in customer deposits, the net interest revenue has exceeded the noninterest commission and fee income that comes from the remittance business, which we call Easy Remit. So I think for EasyRemit, remittance volumes were actually higher in first half of this year year-on-year, but the revenue per transaction figures have moderated compared to a year ago because a year ago, the numbers or the revenue per transaction numbers were actually higher than normal. I think in previous quarters, our group CFO had also talked about that. So the last point in the business update here is regarding the management team's outlook for the dividend up. So I think in terms of the approach, the group as the group's profitability continues to improve and our shareholders' equity grows, so the directors are comfortable with gradually increasing the dividend payout while maintaining flexibility to support future growth opportunities, capital requirements and also business needs. So regarding the dividend trend. So in first half of 2026, the dividend payout ratio was at 28.9% compared to 26.3% in first half of last year. So the directors expect to propose a total dividend of SGD 0.12 per share for this year, which is at least 43% higher year-on-year. Regarding the long-term payout direction, the directors believe there may be scope to actually gradually increase the dividend payout ratio to 40% as the group's shareholders' equity moves closer to SGD $1 billion. The next couple of slides are a repeat of what I've shared. So I won't be really going through a lot of the details, essentially second interim dividend, SGD 0.03, so that's 50% higher compared to last year. And regarding the dividend schedule on the last slide here. So the payment date will be 20th of August. So I'll now invite Per, our Group CFO, to run through some of the key financial results.

Weide Lin

executive
#2

Thanks, JP, and a very good morning to everyone. Yes. So for the financial results, I'm not going to run through every line. Otherwise, we won't get to the Q&A. So I just want to take you through a couple of just key highlights from the latest quarter results. So I think you heard earlier from JP that I think we've had a very strong growth demonstrated in the Wealth Management division. I think we have record high AUAs across all the geographies. And of course, that very strong momentum has continued from the first quarter to the second quarter. And we have also recorded a very strong growth in net revenue that also flowed down to the bottom line, also demonstrating, I think, in excess of 30-plus percent year-on-year increases in both revenue as well as in profit. The other highlight probably on the OpEx side, which is something that we have had a lot of questions on recently -- so I think on the OpEx, I think we've tried to give you some color in terms of what we expect to happen. I think one of the items mentioned earlier by JP was that headcount has peaked, right? I think we did mention that we expect headcount to peak in the middle of this year. So if you look at the operating expenses line for second quarter, I think we're still seeing quite strong increases on a year-on-year basis. But of course, that has moderated quite a bit from the first quarter, right? So I think some of that base effects are kind of coming off. But more importantly, I think on a Q-on-Q basis, we're actually seeing a bit of a flat lining of expenses as well. I think OpEx across the group was up something like about 2% or 2.2% Q-on-Q, right? So I think that's something that we expect to make more progress on as we talk about headcount related to 2028 being lower as well as some of the margin expansion we expect to see going into 2027. I think related to this also the other observation on the operating leverage. I think this is something that we would expect to show or demonstrate as a wealth platform that scales up with AUA. And of course, as net revenue increases, we then expect to see some of that flowing through in the PBT margins. So I think you will see a slide on the PBT margins where that number, at least on the Kitline side doesn't really show up, but it kind of -- it's also because we have this very sizable business in the Hong Kong side of things on the ePension division. So of course, on the PBT margins, if you were to look at the individual geographies, I think you will then very clearly see that for the likes of Singapore, Malaysia, even for the U.K., which is actually a deposit-taking business, you will see that actually we have made quite good progress on the PBT margins in those markets. Of course, Hong Kong has its own specific nuances because of that ePension project. And of course, we have talked about the headcount just very briefly earlier on. right? So I think these are some of the key highlights from the financial results. Not wanting to go through all the key numbers from each side. But just one point to perhaps on the ROE side as well, right? So this is on Slide 24. I think we continue to generate or demonstrate very high levels of ROE, so 27.2% even for a business that has a bank within the ecosystem. So just as a reminder, we make in excess of 95% or rather almost 95% of our net revenue coming from fee-based income sources. So the net interest income at the bank is still currently just over 5% of our overall net revenue. So moving on to the geographical segments on Slide 25, right? So I think you can clearly see the strength in the Wealth Management divisions from Singapore, Malaysia, even Hong Kong was continuing to demonstrate very good growth year-on-year. The kind of an unusual number there for Malaysia. I think Malaysia has demonstrated really strong growth in the second quarter. So I just wanted to highlight also that there was a bit of a benefit from some IT development revenue that has come in, in Malaysia. But even if you take that out then I think Malaysia Wealth Management stand-alone also demonstrated very good growth. I just want to point you to the tax expense line, just as a reminder that since the bank became profitable, I think we have started recognizing a deferred tax asset at the U.K. bank entity. So we have continued to recognize that. And therefore, you can see that the tax expenses have not grown as quickly, right, as the growth in PBT right? So this is really the deferred tax asset that we have started to recognize actually since the fourth quarter of 2025. So just moving on very quickly to the last slide in this section on Slide 28, right? So again, this is the different geographies demonstrating very good progress. I just want to point you to the U.K. line, right? So the U.K. line has a bit of a lower rate of growth there. You can see on the net revenue side. So that plus 3.8% actually, this is a combination of very good growth on the deposit taking business. So we saw over 36% growth in net interest income at the bank. Of course, on the EasyRemit division, which was actually the largest business within the bank, that is now a smaller part of the bank's net revenue contributor. So this actually -- this business actually experienced higher than normal margins in the year ago period, right? So I think you will see some of that coming off in the third quarter and beyond. But based on the second quarter's number, if you compare that on a year-on-year basis, you're still seeing a bit of a decrease, even though transaction revenue -- transaction volumes were actually higher, right? So you put that together, you're actually looking at not a very strong growth number for net revenue, but actually that kind of -- it's not a true representation of the underlying business right? So I just wanted to make those points before we move on to the Q&A.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#3

Yes. Thanks, Terence. So we'll now move on to the Q&A segment. So as always, we have attendees here at the board room as well as those who have joined us virtually. [Operator Instructions]. So does anyone want to start the Q&A session?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#4

I would like to ask about the Hong Kong -- so how are you going to recognize the...

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#5

Business, we are at this point in time end of this year -- in terms of revenue, it will be will be earning revenue in terms of a percent...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#6

[indiscernible].

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#7

I think you're referring to the previous -- quite conservative in our opinion. So we essentially look at our existing wealth management platform, we have the business coming up and we basically assume some growth. But generally speaking, we didn't assume a big growth on the side. So as we mentioned, this is a scenario analysis that we put up. It's not actually a projection target, but we basically a possible scenario for how those numbers actually arrive at assuming.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#8

And on the payment side, you received the license in almost a year, but you haven't launched. So where are you going to launch?

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#9

Yes. We expect to launch it in the fourth quarter of this the owner license in Malaysia. So that's not -- they do on small stake as a share, -- and do you expect to receive license in Singapore or Hong Kong Singapore, we have been and we are hoping to make a lot more progress Hong Kong, we don't have.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#10

And for China, we still targeting breakeven next year?

Unknown Executive

executive
#11

We are...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#12

And is it more like you expect any revenue...

Unknown Executive

executive
#13

Segment of the business that provides support to Hong Kong business. I think we give a chance to other people.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#14

I think previously you mentioned that you update

Unknown Executive

executive
#15

Officially earlier preparing this whole thing has been delayed because of the question is question Global Bank given that there's a lot of Chinese offshore I guess it's part the Chinese overall deposit actually quite small percentage currently. I think you probably see some of that because it is a service that a lot of Chinese services something that they would like to actually have that -- but I think in terms of the actual contribution to us to actually a small percentage. And more importantly, on an ongoing basis, it's about doing a business that doesn't violate the regulation. I think the Global Bank caters to consumers who actually want the money offshore. And there are some actually official regulations that officially deposits to be sent from Chinese bank overseas and that's within the limits of USD 50,000. And we don't go beyond any official limits and so on. So that being the case, we...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#16

Another question on trade receivables. It has been higher than last year with cash from the project...

Weide Lin

executive
#17

Maybe I'll take this question because we typically have a lot of discussions on trade receivables I think previously, the main item in there, as you will see from our financials, which we have really split out in the first quarter was actually the margin financing receivables, right? So I think once you take that out, you can really see that impact from the -- what is essentially a new business to us. I think we're quite one of the last few brokers to get into margin financing. But of course, yes, that line has grown quite strongly. I think the rest of the trade receivables other than the BAU that we have from the traditional wealth business, I think, of course, the Hong Kong project that we have done or we're still working on does have an element of our receivables position. So that, of course, as the business has scaled up, of course, with revenue growing as well, that has also grown. But I just want to mention earlier, I think this division we also talked about, which is the Easy Remit division. So this division is actually a remittance business. It is also a prefunded business because that's the nature of how remittance works, right? So I think on this part, earlier, I think we made the comment that while we have seen some declines in the margins on the business, we are actually executing more remittance transaction volumes, right? So with that, I think you can also see there's been some addition of working capital. So on the working capital side, that actually adds to the receivables position by nature of how remittances are accounted for. So actually, that has also been a contributor to that increase. So I think it's a combination of all these different businesses. And yes, so I just wanted to give some color on the trade receivables.

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#18

That the AUA is up by 3% to what degree is the increase in AUA due to revaluation versus organic new customer -- the changes in AUA is essentially a function of the net inflow and the market effect. So these are essentially the 2 components. And if you look at the net, which is a number that we release every quarter and then you just do the sums in, you'll find that the rest are essentially changes in guidance on headcount.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#19

Give us a sense of in terms of percentage of the total and also the nature of the headcount decrease, how much do we need to pay out so-called termination rationalize expenses versus natural rolling off of...

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#20

I think, we're not looking at a huge percentage in terms of reduction. I think we're making the point really is that last 5, 10 years, we have been growing last 5 years, growing quite significant as we grow expenses continue to grow. And that growth was sharp in the last 2 years as we as we have a more policy. But given that the most difficult part of the growth process in terms of execution has happened, then we feel that there is room for us to essentially gradually reduce the number. So while we say that yes, we are not looking at a very sharp reduction in -- that's the first point. Second point is actually we are not doing any retreninkroup mentioned that we generally have a -- we expect that headcount reduction will happen solely through the fact that some of the position on a contract basis. So as they expire, then we won't. Secondly, attrition. I think every year, there's a certain level of reattrition. Each time that happens, then we take a chance to review the number. And over time, then that will allow us to achieve a certain reduction that we are aiming for. I know that in today's world, businesses generally look at retrenchment as something that is part of our business or even a good thing shareholders tend to remote management when we believe that management of headcount should be done properly and that is part of the required things that ensure that we have a certain corporate culture allow us to really grow in I guess any update on the U.S. I guess what's -- so that is something that. Yes. So we -- first couple of years, we are waiting for the licensing and so on the end of last year, it was approved. And then in the last 9 months, we have been basically getting ready to the testing and so on. So internally, we have started to start to some transactions to our own securities directly. So that has started to happen this month in a gradual basis, but it's not something that we are trying to rush in a big way. We make sure that everything is fully tested transact. But essentially, this is we're starting to actually transact through that, and we do expect that activity going forward will happen a lot more. Having said that, I also want to remind sharely [indiscernible] US customers. This is more a link that allow us to directly access the U.S. exchanges without having to go through another broker. And that will put us a position that is -- that will allow us to be more competitive over time because we do have additional l sort open up the possibility of having different kind of business.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#21

I had a couple of questions on Hong Kong side. So as you were mentioning also onboarding will happen towards the end of the year. So then the AUA of roughly $3 billion or so that we're expecting, would that come into the second half? Or would that be pushed?

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#22

So if the timetable is as per the latest target and expectation, then we expect that the AUA will add on to the number at the end of the year, add on to the group at the end of the year, even though the actual revenue contribution, we don't expect to see too much of it.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#23

And then next on Hong Kong in terms of the PBT, given the first half performance and second half, even if we assume it to be flat year-on-year. So still on a full year basis would be about 11% growth, which is in line with the guidance that has been given about a double-digit growth. But is that how we should be thinking about Hong Kong is that kind of assumption of 11% growth year-on-year CBT?

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#24

I suppose that's a possible way of looking at it. We have indicated that we expect or we target for Hong Kong to see double-digit growth this year compared to last year in terms of revenue and profitability. So that target remains.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#25

Any other questions?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#26

What is the biggest risk facing the business at the moment?

Unknown Executive

executive
#27

Well, I would say that -- Yes, we have gone through quite a bit and we have gone through quite a bit of a difficult time last 1, 2 years, especially as we onboarded the EPF project. I think for the EPF project onboarding was seen by the industry player is something that entails quite a bit of risk. But I think we have gone through the most difficult part. And going forward, it's about continuing to improve the service level and so on. From where we are some of the normal risk in terms of operational risk, IT risk, et cetera, remains and so on. And yes, that is something that, of course, we continue to work on strengthening and so on. The other risk that play is something that most people will think about will be the fact that we now operate as a bank. So previously, we -- as a group, we have a business model that doesn't require a big balance sheet that is cash generated, but given that now we hold the bank within the group, so you start to see that the profile of the group start to shift somewhat is a business whereby the balance sheet start to expand and bank level that required capital start to move up as well. And I think there are some banks are not managed well in terms of the balance sheet. And when that happens, then that introduce an element of risk to the group. So for us, we are very mindful that for a bank, if we take the bank in the wrong direction, then that will itself introduce quite a bit of risk to the group itself, which is why right from day 1, we've always emphasized that we take a business model for the bank that actually tries to minimize the balance sheet risk -- we don't lend to risky customers and so on. We basically have a business model for the bank that ensures that our balance sheet remains very liquid. And the assets that we own are actually very high quality, essentially mainly sovereign bond, Bank of England deposits as well as investment grade bond, of which the bank investment-grade bond will be the main one. Yes. So the rates are there if we go off track from what will be the right path. So I think it's something that we're always mindful about. And so if we continue to manage it in a very prudent manner, then I think the rates will be something that will be manageable.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#28

We will take one last question from our physical attendees before we move to our online attendees the questions -- just a question on the operation in China. So can you share with us what is the momentum currently in terms of number of accounts should we be at the end of this year in number of accounts and what type of customers.

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#29

In terms of segment I think the China business is a business where if you look at the numbers in recent quarter, the growth is there. The growth is in percentage terms are growing quite well, quite nicely. Having said that, it remains a small percentage of the group's business. It is a business that we expect to continue to grow. And yes, we hope to get to a point not too far away where we actually start to achieve that level. The exact number of accounts and so on, we don't separately break it down, but it is a significant percentage of the accounts that we actually have. And so that's something that we will continue to -- we believe we will continue to track in the right direction. The growth is still there.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#30

Jan, can you hear us?

Jayden Vantarakis

analyst
#31

Can you hear me okay?

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#32

Yes, we can hear you.

Jayden Vantarakis

analyst
#33

I have a few follow-up questions. So just on the Hong Kong revenues, I know that you reported on a combined basis. But if you look at Page 19, I think the total revenue for this quarter was lower than last quarter. Now we noted that obviously, the AUA in Hong Kong has gone up. But can you be sort of clear on what the driver was as to why revenues were sequentially lower? Was it from wealth? Or was it from the contract? Or was it from something else? That was my first question.

Weide Lin

executive
#34

Yes. I'll take this question. So Jayden, as you know, I think the wealth numbers, you can see -- I think they're quite strong across the board. So that includes Hong Kong and the growth of AUV and so on. So I think you can clearly see it's not related to the Hong Kong wealth business. But I think in terms of how we think about the ePension business, the revenue recognition, I think we did see some uplift from the very high onboarding we went from a sort of a lower rate to a higher rate, I think in the fourth quarter and also in the first quarter. So I think that has come off a bit in the second quarter because now we are operating at a more steady-state type of revenue recognition process. But of course, as what we have been trying to communicate, it is still a very high level of revenue that we recognize, right? So I think we are not seeing any material change in revenue recognition. I think overall, put together with the wealth business, there is a bit of a flat lining that you can see on a Q-on-Q basis on that measure.

Jayden Vantarakis

analyst
#35

That's very clear. I had a couple of more questions. So I think before, you mentioned about the desire to have the contract labor sort of rolling off naturally, right, as the terms come to an end. Would you be able to share with us roughly what the terms are for the typical contracts where you do have staff helping you out with the project? I'm just trying to get a sense of how soon we'd start to see things materially roll off or if it's going to take still some time.

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#36

Well, for us, the majority of our staff are essentially still permanent staff, but there is a certain percentage that's on contract could be 1-year, 2-year contract. And the exact number and percentage is something that we manage on an ongoing basis. But we expect that the way the terms are and we will be able to gradually manage down the overall group head count over the next couple of years. As I mentioned, we're not looking at a big further reduction and so on is something that in line with normal good practice, we always ensure that things are managed in a manner that allow us to control all the processes very well.

Jayden Vantarakis

analyst
#37

And then my final question is just on the bank. You made some comments before talking about how the liquidity is managed prudently. I just wanted to get a sense on sort of how you manage the liquid assets. If I look in the annual report for the bank, about 1/3 of the investments, if you like, are in instruments that are B1 to Baa3. Can I just confirm these are to corporates and not to the Bank of England or other central banks. And how do you sort of manage the credit risk for this given that you're sort of not really set up to do lending, right? And you just sort of look at managing the liquidity as such. Just wanted to understand on this particular point as it's come up as a question with some investors recently.

Weide Lin

executive
#38

Yes. Maybe I'll answer this part. So if it's on the investment side of things, then it will be on the bond side. So these are all liquid. I think in terms of liquidity, it's a T+1, T+2 type of instrument. So it's not lending any sub investment-grade individuals or companies on a bilateral basis. These are all securities.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#39

Okay. Thanks, Jayden. We'll go through some of the questions we have in the chat box. So I think I will take these 2 questions on mano. So quite high level. So first, which segments of your business do you see offering the fastest rate of growth going forward?

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#40

So if I broadly look at the group business in 3 different segments. One is our core wealth management business as an investment platform for this year; 2 will be the bank and 3 will be the e-pension part of the business. So if I look at all 3 segments, I expect all 3 segments to grow further. But if I were to rank in terms of the order in terms of percentage growth rate, I would say that probably the bank will grow at a faster percentage, mainly because firstly, it starts from a low base. If you look at the current level of the bank for us at a deposit level of $1.8 billion in the banking context is actually still a very small number relative to the opportunity that we are looking at relative to the potential that we can see given our overall ecosystem and business model, we are expecting that, that can have the highest percentage growth rate for us. I would say that the wealth management platform itself will continue to have a robust growth rate. So that's why the 2 together, we are continuing to essentially see that we are looking to achieve 100 billion by 2030.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#41

And Mano's other question, I think you talked about just now, but his other question is which segment or geography worries you the most in terms of possible setbacks.

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#42

I think every segment has its own consideration. Every segment has its own level of risk and the risk are a bit different in nature in different segments. But as I noted earlier, I think that the banking business is something that is relatively new to the group, and we are mindful that we need to manage it in a way where, yes, we don't take too much balance sheet risk. And yes, as long as we go down, then I would say that we are quite comfortable with the business. Other than that would be the operational risk, IT risk and so on that it's an ongoing thing, ongoing process. It's something that internally we have to keep improving. We have to keep strengthening our overall management of the risk. So these are things that may not keep me awake every night, but there are some people in the group that awake every night because of all the different.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#43

So we have a few questions related to the net inflows trends. So I think we had this one from prior to the results call. So he sent these questions. So the IFS global bank deposits are up by about SGD 200 million to SGD 1.8 billion. So what are the drivers behind the increase in IFA Global Bank's AUA? Is it one-off? Do you think it's sustainable?

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#44

Yes. if you look at IFS Global Bank's deposit trend, you'll find that 2 years ago, yes, between 1 to 2 years ago, the growth rate were actually quite robust. But sometime second half last year, we did enter into a period where the deposit growth actually slowed down somewhat -- and recently, that momentum start to improve again. And I suppose part of the reason why the deposit growth slowed during the second half of last year was firstly because there are some changes in interest rate environment, meaning interest rates were generally declining last year. And at the point when we are trying to build the overall size of the bank and then you have an environment of generally declining interest rate and then we -- along the way, we're also adjusting the interest rate downwards as well. That actually led to some slowdown in momentum. So that was one reason. The other reason was the fact that as markets were doing well and so on, we did see some money moving to wealth management platform side of the business. So that was the reason why the momentum slowed down somewhat in the second half of last year and maybe early this year. But in recent times, we are starting to see some improvements in the momentum again. That momentum is being seen in both the personal banking business as well as the banking -- business banking business segment that we used to call digital transaction banking. So that momentum on the business banking has picked up as more of our corporate customers start to use us for our payment services and so on. Yes. So those momentum that we -- improved momentum that we saw in recent times, we expect that, that should continue as we move into the second half and beyond. So that's where things stand currently. So in fact, we will probably be targeting for a faster pace of growth than what we've seen in the first half of this year going forward for the bank.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#45

And the other question is, are you seeing a noticeable increase in net inflow in the Singapore market? And maybe I'll just link it up to the other question from Kelvin. Has IFS net inflows been affected by the recent regulatory penalties.

Unknown Executive

executive
#46

Net inflow for us has been quite robust so far this year. And I think in recent months as well, it continues to be robust. I think after the some announcement from the China side in June, I think I would say that for us overall, momentum has continued to be strong. In fact, July so far has been a very strong month in terms of net inflow. So the overall business for us, continues to see the good momentum. The net inflow, I think the question about into Singapore I think the Singapore platform has seen a pretty strong net inflow. Some of that does move into Singapore equity, if that's a question. Singapore equities generally have seen some improved momentum in the last few quarters, the net inflow that we're getting actually goes into all the various asset classes.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#47

Just a couple more questions online. So one question from Reg, which is there's been a significant increase in customer accounts. Can you give some information where these new customers are coming from? Are they from the bank, the wealth side and why the huge increase year-on-year?

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#48

The customer accounts, the biggest increase comes from the wealth management platform. I think the bank side, we have seen some improving momentum as well. I think in terms of the overall increase, the bigger proportion come from the overall wealth management side of the business. That includes from the B2B side of the platform business, both B2B and B2C. I think on the B2B side of the platform business in recent times, we have some of our business partners that have seen quite a very strong growth in account opening, and that has accelerated the increase in the customer account number for us in the last 6 months actually.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#49

Just 2 questions on. So the first one is regarding the incorporation of Pass Corporate Holdings and Ireland. Any significance or strategic plans to highlight here?

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#50

We announced that because we need to announce. But I suppose as a group, when it comes to our business, one of the questions that I've been asked about in the past, is do we see ourselves expanding to other markets when it comes to the banking business. Today, our bank license is in U.K. So my answer has been that yes, given that we operate our business increasingly on truly global business model, we don't think that we need to have too many banking licenses. But having said that, we feel that there's still certain jurisdiction where we want to, at some point in time in the future, work towards being able to have a banking license. And yes, so the 2 that we mentioned was -- one is actually somewhere in European Union. given that EU and U.K. just next to each other. There's quite a good level of synergy, especially when it comes to the business banking side of things and given that if we have a banking license in one country in European Union that has a potential to look at it for the whole. So that's the reason why we start to take the step of starting the possibility of getting some banking license somewhere in the future. So the process has started corporate entity. But we would like to say that we expect this to be a process that takes some time a bank license doesn't acquired in a very short time. It's a long process in terms of the path towards getting there. So it's a process that we have started, but you should have the expectation that it's going to take a couple of years before you get to something. And the other jurisdiction that we talk about in terms of potentially trying to have a banking license sometime in the future will be back in our headquarter, Singapore. Again, that is something that we're not sure how long it will take. We haven't formally started this, but at the back of our overall long-term planning next 5 years, so on, then we feel that there's something that we should try to see at some point as well.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#51

And just one last question before we go back to our attendees here. So congrats on the results. Higher EPS guidance is good news to shareholders. So what prompted this big revision upwards in EPS guidance so quickly after the initial guidance? -- wonder if this has to do with fundamental earnings strength and visibility tracking stronger than we had expected at the time of the higher guidance or any other reasons regarding this change?

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#52

So if you look at what we have been doing in terms of dividend payout ratio in the last couple of years, you'll notice that we pay out about 25% of our earnings as dividends. And that has been a ratio that we have been using, and that's a ratio that we continue to when we were recommending the first quarter dividend. But yes, as we progress and as we look forward and as we see our overall earnings and shareholders' equity continue to grow and then we do more detailed projection for the future in terms of what we expect for profitability, cash flow and balance sheet projection over the next 3 to 5 years, then we feel that we are comfortable gradually raising the dividend payout ratio. It doesn't have to just stay at 25%. So if you look at the first half of this year based on what we are, what we have declared or proposed about 30% in terms of dividend payout ratio. So it's a number that we're comfortable for this year. And that's the reason why we have decided to declare a higher dividend. And we feel that since that's a position that we have taken after deeper analysis internally and so on, then we should be stating our policy for this year in terms of our dividend right now, and that's what we making the...

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#53

Any more questions from our attendees here in the room...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#54

[indiscernible].

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#55

Started contributing. So it goes into the net inflow for the group in terms of AUA. And so that's a good part of the business has started, and we expect that to continue to contribute more. Having said that, of course, it's not a huge percentage of the overall business of the group for Hong Kong at this point in time. But it is an area that we expect to continue to grow goes into our group.

Weide Lin

executive
#56

We did mention at the end of last year AUA, it was about SGD 70 million. So I think that number you can tell is not very large. And I think we have made some progress since then, but it's not a number that we would like to come back and update. I think also is probably the one that will have a bit more of a material impact. So I think that's the one that we have been providing a bit more color on.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#57

Just want to remind me again how much of the AUA [indiscernible] contributed?

Weide Lin

executive
#58

so the IGB conributed Yes. For the IGD, we disclosed that amount is SGD 1.1 billion as...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#59

So just to conclude on the E&P business. So the way we should think about it is revenue is relatively flat, maybe come down a bit because we are -- because the onboarding revenue start to decline, but cost is also rolling off, hence, overall PBT should still be growing on an absolute basis. Is that the way we should be thinking about?

Weide Lin

executive
#60

If you look at -- I think quarter-to-quarter, sometimes there are some slight certain items on a year-on basis, we expect that to continue to grow this year as a whole. And then going forward, we expect to see some growth as well in revenue. It's just that MFingugecentage. -- is an area that we look at that overall profitability can continue to be some growth again, not huge percentage on the part taken together in terms of all the different measures we are taking as a whole and the group, I think the increased efficiency in terms of cost...

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#61

Maybe we'll just wrap up with one last question that we have online. Okay. Just one last question on the bank, actually.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#62

So if you look at the past few quarters, we see that the net interest revenue, as you highlighted also in the slide, net interest revenue has been exceeding the noninterest side of the bank. So is this how you expect it going forward as well?

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#63

Yes. Because when we acquired the bank, the main business of the bank essentially they -- and the bank when we acquired it didn't have a strategy of trying to build the deposit base. They see the deposit as a working capital to support the Easy Remit business. But since we acquired the business model have been enhanced to include personal banking as well as business banking, which will attract more deposits and grow the net interest income. So yes, so in previous quarters, you see some overall fluctuation in revenue and profitability, partly also because the easy remit business tend to be a bit more volatile on a quarter-on-quarter basis. But as we move forward, given that net interest margin is becoming more important than remittance business and even the business banking and personal banking itself will bring some noninterest income, fee income on its own as well. So on an overall basis, I think you should see a better consistency in terms of growth as we move on. So -- now we are at 1.8 billion targeting 15 billion by 2030. As we make this progression, we are currently investing the bank financial products. we expect business banking eventually to make a bigger percentage of the overall bank contribution. Otherwise, the regulator will say that bank but are not business financial products have such concern it's not something to our understanding that is a concern for the regulator. I think the regulator primarily as a starting point, they are most concerned about safety, safety of the bank, safety of customer deposit, robustness of our overall business model. And we are not lending to SMEs and so on, it doesn't mean that we're not contributing because quite a bit of the deposit goes into Bank England goes in the government bond and it goes into buying investment grade other banks. So that in itself will bring its own benefit to them. Yes. So all in, I would say that we don't think that's too much for regulator because priority is safety.

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#64

Okay. One last question online from Edward. I think going back to your reply function. So what's the business strategy for future banking licenses.

Chung Chun Lim

executive
#65

I suppose you are talking about what our strategy once we get the license in the additional jurisdiction that we are aiming about. So, a bit too early to discuss this topic in detail, but I will say that the overall direction will probably not change in a big way. We are essentially a wealth management and digital banking platform. So even where we look at additional licenses in other jurisdictions, we will focus in those areas. There are no more questions. I think we can conclude...

Tin Niam Wong

executive
#66

Thank you everybody.

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