IMPACT Silver Corp. (IPT) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 18, 2021

TSX Venture Exchange CA Materials Metals and Mining earnings 24 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Jerry Huang

executive
#1

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to IMPACT Silver Corp.'s Quarter 2 2021 Period Ending June 30, 2021, Financial and Production Results Conference Call. Before we begin, we would like to go over our disclosure statements, followed by Mr. Fred Davidson's comments about the quarter results, questions and period -- period and, obviously, colors on the MD&A. Certain statements in the following conference call regarding IMPACT Silver Corp.'s business operations may constitute forward-looking statements. Such statements are not historical facts but are predictions about the future, which inherently involves risks, uncertainties and could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. I would like to over to President and CEO of IMPACT Silver, Mr. Fred Davidson.

Frederick Davidson

executive
#2

Thank you, Jerry. Well, it's been a pretty interesting quarter. In spite of the fact that the share price and result of the price of silver has been all over the place, we are proceeding and proceeding with the intention of being a successful operating line. The second quarter reflected that with the $4.2 million in revenue over the second quarter, a 50% improvement over the comparable quarter in 2020. The comparable quarter was suffering, of course, from the temporary shutdown demanded by the mine -- the government for all mines operating [ because of ] COVID. Overall, mine operating earnings were up to $1.3 million from $1 million in the comparative period. The cash generated improved to $1.1 million from $200,000 in that comparative period. EBITDA increased 300%, so -- to $800,000 for the quarter. Overall, a very successful quarter. And the questions that are going to be raised in that situation is the -- how did we achieve that revenue. And we're transitional right now, which I think makes it especially impressive. We're moving from a lower-grade sector into a higher-grade sector. And when you're doing that, you're mining development ore, and that resulted in slightly higher cost of mining. Our mining cost per tonne ran to $81.51 compared to $76.77 (sic) [ $76.66 ] in the comparable period. We do -- we don't amortize those development costs. Generally, they get written off as we go. The net working capital, and they are really [ compelling ], quite frankly, is -- with cash over $22.4 million, the net working capital was $22.8 million compared to $5.7 million in the quarter 2 in 2020. We have a good, solid balance sheet. And we intend to use that and we are starting to use that in a very dramatic going forward with our current exploration program. We're conducting a series of programs on a series of targets. And we intend to -- as we complete each program, to then provide a summary of the initial results and an explanation of what they mean. Too often people publish a single result, and the end result is nobody can put it in context. The earnings, as I said, reflected growth. Year-over-year, we did $9.6 million in revenue compared to $6.2 million in 2020. And then the mine operating income was $2.7 million compared to $531,000 in 2020 to June 30, 2020. Bottom line, we suffered a small loss this -- for the 6 months. And that, if you'll recall, was courtesy of share-based payments. The company, as it does, tries to incentivize the employees with stock options. And nobody can say we like lowball them because we took [ them to ] over $0.90. So I think there's going to be a good incentive and the statement and belief of where we see the potential to start going in the future. The other thing that always hits our line were 2 things. One is deferred income tax. And of course, most people recognize that there's a difference between accounting depreciation and amortization and tax amortization. The end result is the tax ratio times that difference ends up as deferred tax expense of -- whether it's realized or not as a secondary issue. But it does impact just really substantially when you think that we showed an income before tax of $855,000 for the 6 months. And we recognized deferred taxes of $765,000. So you can understand the accountants are playing magic with us and driving us all nuts. Overall and I think the important number is operating income. And our operating income for the 6 months was $894,000, and that includes the share-based payments of $943,000 compared to a loss of $415,000 for the 6 months 2020. We've had a good quarter and where it looks like we will continue to have good quarters going forward depending, of course, on the price of silver. But the company itself is having a degree of success with this exploration. We commented, in fact, in our MD&A that one of the traditional mines we've had in San Ramon was looking like it was reaching sort of its -- end of its time in the first quarter. The current program that we've been doing indicates that it looks like it's got a lot more teeth in it, and we'll probably be mining there for years ahead. So we've had some excitement on the drilling side, which we will release when the program is finished. And ongoing, we have a number of brownfield targets which we programmed ahead. We also said we're going to drill roughly 10 million -- 10,000 ounce -- 10,000 meters, rather, this year. We're at about 8,000 meters, and I've given the instruction to the mine management to just keep on drilling. We've got 3 rigs drilling right now, and a fourth one has arrived on site, and it will be drilling as well. So we're focusing on the next 12 months probably drilling up to 20,000 meters. So we've got a very aggressive drill program, and that's a reflection of following up on success. Jerry, over to you.

Jerry Huang

executive
#3

Great. Thanks, Fred, for the overview on Q2 2021 results for IMPACT Silver. Obviously, the numbers continue to grow and improve year-over-year beyond the COVID shock reaction of Q1, Q2 of last year. We've -- over the quarter of the -- for IMPACT, we continue to receive Q&A from investors and stakeholders of IPT and ISVLF. Please feel for to send questions to inquiries@impactsilver.com or call us directly at (778) 887-6489. Question one is -- comes from [ Joe ]. Good quarter year-over-year, Fred and team, as expected. What are we looking at in terms of production growth and how soon? The COVID drop obviously has been dealt with. When can investors expect some growth on the production and revenue side?

Frederick Davidson

executive
#4

That's a valid question. It's a complex question actually because of primary source of ore is going to be -- at least for the next 6 months to 9 months, it's going to be the Guadalupe Mine. And part of the Guadalupe Mine is a new area called Pachuqueno. We're just moving into that area right now. And the only constraint on it will be the traditional one you run into when you've got a vein-type structure development versus production. Development interrupts production, and production interrupts development. We're expecting to be, sort of over the next month or 2, adding probably in the area of 20 tonnes a day through production and to see that gradually increase again in the fourth quarter. So overall, we hope that we're targeting at least to get them to the 500 tonnes a day certainly by year-end and hopefully more.

Jerry Huang

executive
#5

Okay. Good to hear. Question two, exploration results have been growth. It was great. When are we going to see some more results on the 10,000, possibly more program?

Frederick Davidson

executive
#6

Another good question. As we said before, we -- there's always a misinterpretation by the readers when we release an individual result because you can have a very good drill hole, you can then test the extent of the stope and get a poor drill hole. We're going to be doing it in a phased basis, and that is we're doing a program with Veta Negra. When that first phase is complete, we will summarize and we'll publish the results. We're doing the same thing at San Ramon right now. When the first phase is complete, we'll summarize the results. And I think it's more important for the reader that they understand the implications of a drill hole, put in context rather than just a single drill hole that either get excited or gets to a title. So going forward, we should have them, probably a first set by the end of this month. The only thing we're running into is delays at the lab, and everybody is experiencing that. Everybody is just dumping their samples into the laboratories, and we just have to wait in line until the results get published.

Jerry Huang

executive
#7

Okay. Excellent. Question three, Fred. Capire update, you mentioned there are some expansion potential. Obviously, Capire is one of the more brownfield targets that IMPACT has had over the years and even produced from. What's the update on the XRT? And what kind of CapEx size are we looking at?

Frederick Davidson

executive
#8

Yes. XR -- well, let's look at Capire as a multipronged program here. It is -- at the moment, as we found out when we did the test mining, it's a complex ore body. And the mining itself is really expensive if we do it on a selective basis. The end result is we've gone ahead, we tried DMS. The numbers there didn't work, dense media separation. And so we went to XRT, and the lab-scale tests appear to indicate that it works fairly well. We're assuming that if it does work for the DMS, it will work for the XRT, and we could see savings in the area of up to 20%, 30% in terms of the cost per tonne of processing it. Now XRT adds a front end to the mill. And we don't know the exact cost on that because it's a function of size and the studies that are being done right now. The other side, and this is designed to sort of help increase throughput, and this increase in throughput will obviously reduce cost per tonne. With the resource that we have there now, if we mined it only 200 tonnes a day, which is the pilot plan, we'd be there for 30 years plus. Nobody wants us to be there for 30 years. So the objective is to increase the throughput with -- on a volume basis. Part of that is going to be helped by the XRT because it will select what is ore and what isn't ore before it goes to the mill. Part of it is the size of the mill. And we're going to have an option of whether we do it at 200 tonnes a day, whether we do it 500 tonnes a day or whether we do it 1,000 tonnes a day. 500 tonnes a day is an easy expansion and relatively quick. We know the infrastructure can sustain it at 500 tonnes a day. 1,000 tonnes a day, it starts to really push it. And when I say even 500 tonnes a day, of course, there was other things involved there like permitting for water use, et cetera, et cetera. But 1,000 tonnes a day really starts to push it. That becomes a fairly complex operation. We will probably remove the current mill and replace it in its entirety. So that's something that wouldn't happen for 3 or 4 years out, where going to 500 tonnes a day can probably happen in the next 1.5 years, 2 years maximum. The XRT could happen -- or if we go ahead with XRT, it could happen in the next year. So you've got 3 separate scenarios. And there is, of course, a fourth. So if the price of silver goes nuts, we can just restart as a conventional mill right now. The cost, if we started a conventional mill right now, it will be about $1 million to get it back up and operating as a 200 tonne a day plan. The cost for doing XRT incurred 200 tonnes a day, so the starting guess would be in the area of $2.5 million. Upsizing the mill, another couple of million dollars. So it gets -- this is the order of magnitude. Easily financed -- any of those options are recently financed with our current working capital.

Jerry Huang

executive
#9

Okay. Excellent. Next question, question four comes from [ Herman ]. Grade has been dropping last few quarters, Fred. It's starting to be a bit of an issue despite mining our earnings. This quarter, I think we're around 160 grams a tonne, which is well below a few quarters ago at 190. Is this going to be expected? Is it the new normal, so to speak?

Frederick Davidson

executive
#10

In fact, the grade was 147, so it wasn't even that high. It's a development issue. It's where you are in the mine. You can't just suddenly stop and move to somewhere else. That particular zone we were mining, the grades fell off on. And as it is, with the drilling underground we have been doing, it determines that on that particular level, on that particular zone, if we simply continue on for -- well, at this point, it kind of looks like above 70 meters, we'll be back into much higher grade. The second thing I mentioned was, in fact, a development issue. As we move out to Pachuqueno, Pachuqueno looks quite attractive. It's got some good numbers out there well worthwhile chasing. But as we move out there, we have to develop. And the development is not just sort of running one level. You'd have to drill multiple levels and then connect them, and then you mine. And we're expecting to see, as I say, a gradual increase in tonnage, and we expect to see an increase in grade as we go forward. As we get out of this current area, we're mining it and get into the higher grades that are extension on that particular level that we've discussed before and in Pachuqueno. Best guess, we're sort of forecasting around 160.

Jerry Huang

executive
#11

Okay. Got it. Last question. Stock is down quite a bit from early in the year with silver squeeze. Obviously, the market was getting a little euphoric with retail investors rushing in. But in terms of impact, what are we doing in terms of various marketing and awareness now that the stock is down but revenue continue to grow?

Frederick Davidson

executive
#12

Jerry, you're asking the question, and in a way, you're probably the best person scheduled to answer that. For right now, I'd choose the expression we're sort of trying to spit into the wind when you get into one of these markets. And we believe that our job is to educate people as much as possible. So when there's a degree of confidence in silver, we're the first people they look to. We are probably the highest-percentage grade for silver of any of the ones out there. We respond dramatically to the price of silver, and I think that's part of the issue we've had in the stock price. At the same time, we are profitable even with things like that. And the end result is, I think, we're looking at a sort of a point where people were saying, hey, this is starting to look quite attractive as it is on a -- the basis of valuation. We are -- one-to-one was the number of people who have traditionally followed us. We are doing various virtual conferences. And going forward, as soon as we can, and that's a big constraint with COVID, we'll probably be getting on an airplane and visiting some people. I don't see that happening until the fourth quarter, quite frankly. But yes, our job is to make sure that people are aware of what we do. We probably don't hit the retail cloud as much as we should only because many of these one-on-ones are with sophisticated investors. And we really need to. And one of the things that we were discussing, Jerry, is the idea of having a session perhaps in early fall where we do an open Zoom call, do a presentation and do Q&As.

Jerry Huang

executive
#13

Yes, very much so. So yes, to add on to that, Fred, yes, over the years, obviously with COVID, we've obviously pivoted our traditional face-to-face, one-on-one meetings and marketings with institutional investors and high-net-worth investors to online. So we've been, at the request and invitation of Brien Lundin and David Morgan very recently with Metals Investor Forum, presenting to a lot of retail investors around Canada, North America, to a lot of the obviously bespoke audiences from the newsletter writers. Beyond that, it's been very difficult for really mass media presentations in person. So that's looking like it's reopening. But again, with the recent surge in cases, it's -- travel all of a sudden has been changing again almost on a daily basis. So I think that's a bit of a new normal. The various shows that traditionally IMPACT has counted on for meeting and greeting investors both in Europe, North America and globally, it's just starting up, and many of them are actually on hybrid mode. So a lot of our marketing awareness and efforts has actually largely been online; a lot of one-on-ones; as Fred mentioned, a lot of social media advertising. Follow us on Twitter. We have nearly -- we have 3,000-plus followers. We're getting very good views. We're on LinkedIn with 2,000 followers. So we're definitely building an audience and awareness on the retail front. We obviously are active as we can on the various social medias. We monitor the investor channels where we can. And always feel free -- if you're listening in, obviously, you care about IMPACT, you care about the direction of the company. Feel free to e-mail us at any given time. The one great thing about COVID, as we've all learned, is it's made everyone much more accessible. Everyone is really just a Zoom call or a WhatsApp call away. So feel free to e-mail us at inquiries@impactsilver.com and reach out to me. And the numbers are around the website, around the press release as well. But just moving on to the next question. In terms of Mexican climate businesses, there seems like to have a bit of -- to be a bit of a wave of socialist tendencies for South American resource-rich countries such as Peru, and it's been better seemingly in Mexico. Any challenges and issues with IMPACT? Obviously, you've been there for many years. But if you can kind of speak to investors about any challenges and recent changes down there.

Frederick Davidson

executive
#14

Yes, they're playing a bit with the tax situation. I don't think it's particularly oppressive. It's just a nuisance value, and it means we have to restructure how we hold some of the assets. But other than that, I think even a sort of left-wing government recognizes that mining is critical to Mexico. And we certainly -- the financial community in Mexico recognizes that mining is critical to Mexico. So there's only a degree of what they can do. And let' face it, this trend is across the world right now. And I would actually say Mexico is probably slower in terms of being aggressive than certain other countries are. In fact and certainly, when it comes to things like permitting this, although it might take a while to get something permitted like a drill program or a development or what have you, it's done. And it is done professionally. The only thing I have as an issue with the Mexican government right now is they're not granting new concessions. So it means that at this point in time, even if we wanted to go out and go for a blue-sky-type projects in Mexico, unless they're already held by somebody, it's virtually impossible to do. So we're waiting to see where they're going to go with that, but that's a nuisance value more than anything else. We've got enough property on our own hands to keep us busy for a number of years.

Jerry Huang

executive
#15

Okay. Excellent. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in to Q2 2021 earnings and production conference call with the team at impactsilver.com. If you want to get hold of us during the conferences or before the next quarterly call, please feel free to e-mail us at inquiries@impactsilver.com or call us directly at (778) 887-6489. Again, this has been a wrap-up of Q2 2021 IMPACT Silver production and conference call results. And we thank you for -- everyone, for listening in, and we look forward to the next call with you in November. Before then, please feel free. We'll be at various conferences, Metals Investor Forums, Precious Summit. Feel free to arrange with us on one-on-ones before and during the conference. When you have a chance, check us out at impactsilver.com. Follow us on IMPACT Silver on Twitter. And we look forward to talking to everyone on the next conference call.

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