Inspire Medical Systems, Inc. (INSP) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 9, 2020

New York Stock Exchange US Health Care conference_presentation 29 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#1

We're starting this morning with Inspire Medical. Joining us from the company are the President and CEO, Tim Herbert; and CFO, Rick Buchholz. In terms of format, this will be a 30-minute fireside chat. Tim and Rick, welcome, and thanks for joining us virtually.

Timothy Herbert

executive
#2

Well, thank you very much, and thanks for allowing us to be first [ and for setting ] up the meeting, so we'll get it off to a good start. So there you go.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#3

Looking forward to it.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#4

So Tim, I wanted to hit a couple of different topics, including the recovery, maybe the outlook in 2021 and competition and reimbursement. So let's start with the recovery. On the Q2 call, you gave some encouraging metrics about centers reopening and restarting procedures. Remind us of what you said on the Q2 call, and any color you can share on how that's progressing since then.

Timothy Herbert

executive
#5

Well, during the call, I think we wanted to really show that centers were coming back online at a rapid pace. And so I think back then, we quoted, wasn’t it like 24% in May, half the centers in June and more than 60% in July. And we weren't intending for that to be specific, calculatable numbers, but those are accurate. And really, if you kind of look at where we are today, virtually all of our centers are seeing patients. They're open for business. People are learning how to deal with COVID, and it's still with us obviously, it's still a serious concern. But people are learning to manage with it, and they need to get back to generating revenue at the hospital and physicians need to start performing cases. So while virtually all of our centers are seeing patients again, scheduling cases, we're still not at 100%, but we're probably north of 80%, and that will continue to ramp up. But again, the other way to look at this, if you want to put color to it, if you look at the centers, what percent of centers on a normal day, pre-COVID, actually do an implant in a given month. So there's always months that a center won't do it. So when we start talking about high 70%, 80%, that's virtually all the centers are operational, up and running. And I think the recovery has been very, very strong so far. So we're very encouraged by that, and we'll keep driving that and driving utilization because, again, centers want to generate revenue and take care of the patients.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#6

That's super helpful. And you were one of the few companies in our coverage universe that actually guided to 2020 on the Q2 call. So kudos to you. I think the second half revenue implies about $55 million to $59 million or about 18% year-over-year growth at the midpoint. You were asked on the call, the Q2 call, about how to think about the cadence. Rick, maybe remind us of kind of what you said and how we should be thinking about Q3 versus Q4.

Richard Buchholz

executive
#7

Yes. We talked about that, and we had actually several follow-up questions even during the Q&A session of our last call. And so we probably weren't as clear as we could have been. But we do expect to have growth in Q3 as well as Q4. But given the fact that we still do prior authorizations, even though that's becoming less and less relevant as we continue to get more and more covered lives, we do have some vision into our procedures and to our scheduled implants, and so that gave us confidence. As we talked about, about half of our centers were doing procedures at the end of the quarter. That allowed us to give guidance, and so that's why we did provide guidance for the second half of the year. But we do expect that we will have growth in Q3 and Q4, and I think consensus is in that ballpark, so.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#8

Perfect. Rick, maybe, we'll stick with you, get the 2021 questions out of the way. It's inevitable in these September health care conferences, as you know. It looks like consensus is modeling about 60% growth in 2021, which is similar to what you grew in 2019. Any headwinds, tailwinds that you'd call out? Anything that the Street might be missing?

Richard Buchholz

executive
#9

Again, as -- we knew the question was coming, obviously, given the time of the year, but we haven't provided guidance for 2021. But we feel good about the position of our business as we continue to open. As Tim mentioned, we continue to have more of our centers seeing patients, doing elective procedures, scheduling implants. And as you recall, we now have 100% coverage for Medicare, which we didn't have until actually back -- until actually COVID hit, is when the pandemic was at its peak, we weren't able to celebrate the 100% coverage of Medicare. We've also -- last week, we announced that we got Humana. We'll talk about the insurance policies. But we got Humana last week, and that's another approximately 17 million covered lives. So we're up to 207 million covered lives currently. A year ago, we're at about 145 million. And so 2021 will really be a first full year of having over 200 million covered lives. We also talked about that we -- during the pandemic, we continued to add territory managers, we continued to add centers. And we were kind of leaning forward, if you will, on continuing to do that. And we talked about how we're adding ASCs. Just last week, we had a good -- another good event that we can talk about is that we added -- we signed another national ASC agreement with one of the largest ASC outpatient companies. They have 220 ambulatory surgical centers, and so that -- in 35 states. That's SCA, Surgical Care Affiliates. That allows us to go and pursue ENTs that are working in those ASCs. And we think that will be another tailwind as we continue to add centers and territory managers into 2021.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#10

That's super helpful. So maybe we'll stick with reimbursement. A lot of good updates there, Rick, a lot to unpack. On reimbursement, Tim, Medicare has -- you finally have these local coverage decisions across the country. Talk about what that means for your business. And maybe it's just me, but I feel it's a bit underappreciated that you're getting paid for the -- the physician is getting paid now for the center lead. So the physician fee has gone up pretty significantly. And my understanding from talking to you, Tim, that that's nationally for commercial as well as for Medicare. So help us understand kind of what this Medicare coverage means for you and the physician fee.

Timothy Herbert

executive
#11

I think Rick stated it correctly that we haven't had a chance to really celebrate that yet, and that all those LCDs were -- went final right during the tail end of the COVID process. And once the physician payment is set up, there's a little bit of, yes, I got to prove it, we got to see it, we got to experience it. So physicians would do one or 2 Medicare cases and then submit the billing to CMS or to the MACs, and then they had to watch it to make sure that they are getting paid. And voila, hey, we are getting paid this extra $600, and that's dramatic. And they used to get paid, what, $800 on average Medicare. So that's a significant increase for those surgeons, and so that spreads. Now the confidence is there that, yes, in fact, they are going to get paid for all the Medicare cases. Remember before, the LCDs, they were getting paid maybe 50% of the cases. And at $800, you're really not going to do a big, long appeal because the return isn't there. And so you end up doing those cases gratis, and that's not appropriate for these surgeons. And so now they're getting paid for all their cases. They got a raise because they get paid for the pressure sensor. Now there's confidence behind it that they're getting paid, switch over to the facility site. Places like KU Medical Center was shut down from Medicare because WPS is the MAC in that region. They weren't paying for Inspire. They also manage Michigan. So Michigan centers weren't doing Medicare. Now that the policy is in place, the centers, they need to kind of dip their toes in the water and test it a little bit, do a couple of cases, get confirmation that they're getting paid. And now that, in fact, has the time -- there's enough time now that they've experienced. Say, yes, in fact, we are going to get paid for all of these cases, then they can take the governor off and they can open up and say, okay, now we can start scheduling these Medicare cases, which is really exciting. And I think you'll see a little bit more of that in the second half of the year. And as Rick mentioned, that's going to really carry over into '21.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#12

It's helpful. And I know you got Humana just recently. Remind me, do you have Anthem? I can't remember. Is that -- do we have every -- all the major commercial payers?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#13

They're the last hold-out, but it's a big, either. Anthem is the for-profit side of Blue Cross Blue Shield. Their -- they manage over 40 million covered lives. And they really are the last big policy out there. And we are working with them. They are communicating back. And I think they're scheduled to write policy sometime in October. We certainly hope that it will be positive. We believe it will be, being that everybody else has written a positive policy. And all indications are as such, but it's up to Anthem to actually write that policy and issue it. So we'll keep working with them, and we'll keep watching them closely, but they're really the last big hitter out there. I know we have all the commercials, Medicare, VA, and -- then we can go to work and start driving utilization and growing capacity.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#14

So it sounds like, if I heard you correctly, Anthem is writing their policy, you said, in October. They're making it -- there's an update coming? I'm sorry. What's happening in October?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#15

Their annual scheduled review is October. So we believe they are working on it, and they have told us so that they're working on it. And we will expect to see that policy come out in October. And we certainly expect that it will be positive. But Anthem, it's entirely their decision, so.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#16

Okay. And anything about the CPT Panel meeting in October that we should be watching out for? Anything new? I know it's very technical. We did a note on it a couple of weeks ago. Anything new?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#17

No. I think your note was really strong. I think the key to this application is it's going to still be a neuro code. All the neurostim codes are kind of bunched together. And what that does is that ensures that the hospital payment remains stable across all neurostim platforms. Yes, it's a specific CPT code for the surgeon to implant the device. And that allows the ENT to -- or the ENT society, the American Academy of Otolaryngology, to go out and do a RUC survey to determine the amount of work defined as RVUs, relative value units, and that determines how much a surgeon gets paid. And the American Academy of Otolaryngology believes that that payment today is not appropriate and it should be a little bit higher and that they want to have their own code because they believe that Inspire will be a real significant part of the ENT community for years to come. And so they want to move away from a shared code with neurostim to having 2 codes, one for the vagal nerve stim, one for hypoglossal nerve stim, both underneath the overall neuro family, but -- and your note really laid that out in great detail. So we've -- the AAO, I know they're preparing, and they have -- a top ENT will be representing it at the CPT Panel meeting, which is, of course, virtual. But we think that it will be accepted well.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#18

Great. So let's move on to international markets, which don't get a lot of attention with your business given the growth we've seen in the U.S. Japan, let's start there. What's the latest with the MHLW regarding reimbursement?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#19

We are working closely with them. We think we're getting really close to being able to formally submit the C2. I know you've heard me say that before, but with the COVID and with the Olympics, they have a huge backlog, but we're still trying with the physicians to really get priority and get moved up and say, you've got to at least make a decision here on what you're going to do. So we have good discussions with MLHW (sic) [ MHLW ]. We are moving closer to a distribution decision. What it is, if we're going to use a distributor, if we're going to go direct or if we're going to go share. A lot of that is hinged upon what the reimbursement level will be. And if it's efficient, and we believe it will be, then there's enough in there to be able to support a real strong distributor, which I think is probably a good way to start in Japan. And I think the MHLW and the government, I think, likes to see that as well because they want assurance that once they make the decision, that they're going to be able to move forward. The next date for publication is in December. I don't think we're going to be on that. When I mean published, I mean, ready to use, right, ready to go. But end of Q1, Q2 is looking pretty good. And with the progression that we're making, and we'll know more by the end of the year, to get everybody ready to go because it takes about 3 months once it's decided to get it listed. So we're still pushing to communicate by the end of the year, which would get us in a position to have a reimbursement by end Q1, Q2 next year.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#20

So we shouldn't be thinking about a large number of implants in Japan in 2021, it's more -- it would be mostly contribution.

Timothy Herbert

executive
#21

It would definitely be modest, but it's going to be a very significant milestone. Because remember, the 3 big markets in the world are the U.S., Germany and Japan, and we need to get all 3 of those markets well. And then that allows us to kind of expand from there. And getting a good position in Japan, albeit it won't be a significant revenue in '21, it will have a factor in out-years.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#22

That's helpful. One other kind of international-related question, you have another randomized controlled trial that you've done in Germany. It maybe investigator-led, but it's similar to the pivotal U.S. trial, some nuances, I think. But that trial could help you with your evidence base, maybe it could help you with reimbursement in Germany. Like what's the status of that, Tim?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#23

Absolutely. We had actually 2 randomized studies I want to talk about, and I'll come back to the Germany one. There was one done in the United States. That came to us from Aetna Medical Director. And he says, "I don't know why insurance companies don't approve all these patients, so let's do a randomized study." So what we did is, we did like 250 patients approved by insurance companies and received Inspire. And then on the randomized side, there was 100 patients that, for some reason, insurance companies denied their coverage. They have the same demographics. And we followed them for 6 months, compared the results. Obviously, those with Inspire therapy did much better than those who were left untreated. And the question goes back to the insurance companies, why did you randomize this group to the off-cycle, and a really effective [ net ] has been published. On the second study is in Germany, whereas a similar study to the start, where patients were followed for a year, and then they were randomized into a crossover. And so half the group stayed on, then the other half was turned off. We followed them for a period, and then they were both crossed over, and we could -- compared the crossover periods. And those results have not yet been presented. But I know that Clemens Heiser in Munich is the lead author, and they are working on the manuscript right now. They will be submitting that very soon. And we are encouraged by the results, and we think they -- again, to your point, it's just added confidence in the number of clinical trials that have been published to show the efficacy of Inspire.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#24

That's helpful. And where has the Aetna study been published? You said it's…

Timothy Herbert

executive
#25

[ We haven't -- I'll look that up quick ] it's a -- I would go to Kent. Kent would have the e-mail on where that’s published.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#26

All right. Yes. I was just curious, I haven't seen it, so it's -- I was thinking about taking a look at it. So Tim, I wanted to ask about competition. And it's not that competition is so imminent in the U.S., but you do have a competitor in Europe. And they have -- they're planning to do an IPO. So I think you'll -- people are going to be curious to know more about these new competitors. So I have a couple of questions I wanted to ask you about that, only because they're becoming more public. So one, it's obviously not so -- what are you seeing -- they are approved in Europe. Are you seeing anything from them commercially?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#27

Well, again, going back to competition, I think competition is actually a good thing, right? When you’ve got another company investing significant money to do research on electro-stimulation to treat obstructive sleep apnea, that really adds to the validity of the overall technology. And then as you mentioned, I think they're looking to maybe do an IPO on the Belgium market, I think, is what the last I saw something there. They’ve really only published one paper so far, and it's just a small study. They implanted 27 patients and they implant -- they presented data at just 20 of those 27 patients. And the results of those 20 were promising, and that allowed them to kind of move forward. So most of the work that we're seeing in Europe today is pretty much us -- a European clinical study. They do have approval to start a study in the United States. I don't think it started yet. I'm sure they're still in the logistics phases of getting through IRBs to be able to get started here. But it is quite a contrasting device, right? And it will be interesting to see once they have -- again, they just have the one study of 20 patients. They need to produce more data, so then we can make an assessment of, are the therapies equal? Does -- which one has different advantages? But I think it's going to be years before you see any of the significant data. But it is quite different in the technologies where they implant the electrodes and then they use an external device that goes under the chin that you place every night, that provides the power to get to the electrodes to open up the airway using stimulation of the hypoglossal nerve. They do use a bilateral, meaning both the hypoglossal nerve has nerves on both sides. We just stim one side. In all of our basic research from years ago, we showed that that was all you really need. But again, we'll watch them. If the data shows that bilateral is that much more effective, we certainly have the capability to add another electrode, if we needed to down the road. We believe the time to stim is when you inspire or the inspiration, part of aspiration. So we sense respiration. So when you inhale, we provide stimulation to hold the airway open because that's when the airway collapses. Very similar to BiPAP, bi-level CPAP, where when you inhale, the pressure is higher, and when you exhale, the pressure is lower. So same methodology there. They just have an open loop. So I don't know if they run 2 seconds on and 1 second off, something like that, where it's just a constant duty cycle and hoping to be able to catch a respiratory cycle. And we think that will limit the effectiveness, but we need to see data again. And then if you talk about a reduced OR time with it, people talk about that. Our bet is good for 11 years. When you're talking about an 11-year therapy, reducing OR time by 30 minutes is not significant, making sure that you have a fully implanted system, that the patient can just use the remote to turn it on. We believe that is the right way to go. In my early days at Medtronic, we used to use an external device for the pain stimulator. And we know that long term, we need to go to a fully implantable system. So we are very encouraged by competition investing in the technology. We're also very comfortable where we are, not just where we are today, but looking forward into our next-generation devices, I think, really has us in a strong position.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#28

All right. That's a very comprehensive answer. Just a couple of follow-ups. Where they stimulate, it's bilateral stimulation, but they also stimulate like a little more distally than you do. Is that -- do you think that has -- there's any implication of that?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#29

No, I don't think we -- I think it's stimulating basically in the same spot.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#30

Same spot.

Timothy Herbert

executive
#31

So if we're in the operating room, we're probing on the nerve to get past the -- technically, there's a styloglossus nerve and a hyoglossus nerve, one that stimulates distal to that, because that provides stimulation to the protrusers. And that's where we both want to be.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#32

And from a competitive standpoint, right now, it's pretty -- it's not -- it's pretty quiet. I didn't hear anything on that. Is it just building clinical evidence, not doing much competitively?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#33

We don't see commercially. We don't see commercial activity. It's just -- it's all clinical activity, even in Europe.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#34

Yes. The one other claim they make is they have fewer incisions. You touched upon the shorter procedure time, but fewer incisions than you do. Any reaction to that?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#35

Is 2 small incisions worse than 1 big one? It doesn't matter. Everything in both companies, everything is placed just below the skin. The recovery time for both is very similar, because it's just -- it's just sutures, right? And it's really just suture discomfort. And whether the surgery is 1, 1.5 or 2 hours, it doesn't matter when you're talking about an 11-year procedure. But I think the key is it's a full implantable system versus one where you have to put some underneath your chin every single night.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#36

Yes. Last question on this. They're also evaluating if they can treat patients with complete concentric collapse, which would allow the DISE test to be eliminated. That's something they're exploring. What are your thoughts on that? Because that eliminates a large number of potential patients, the DISE…

Timothy Herbert

executive
#37

Yes, can't wait to see the data. Can't wait to see the data. That would be great. No, the CPT panel, right? Go back to what we just talked about with the American Academy of Otolaryngology. They also are submitting CPT codes specifically for sleep endoscopy. So that changes that game, too, where that is now going to be reimbursed at a proper level. So there's good -- there's positives on both sides of that. But hey, if they can show that we don't need to do sleep endoscopy, we're the same therapy.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#38

Okay. So if it works for them, you think it would be positive for you as well and it would be good for the category?

Timothy Herbert

executive
#39

Yes. But I'm purposely trying to not be optimistic there. A little bit of data that shows it's a necessary diagnostic for our therapy and lateral wall collapse is not managed by hypoglossal nerve stim, period.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#40

Got it. Tim, you touched upon your pipeline and your next-generation device. Just remind us of the time line there and what your goals are for the new system.

Timothy Herbert

executive
#41

Better watch my time because I don't want to go over in -- because I -- this is why I get so doggone excited. So I…

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#42

We got 4 minutes, 4 minutes. You can give a fulsome answer.

Timothy Herbert

executive
#43

I'm an engineering background, so this is where we kind of really focus our attention. And we know where the therapy is good and we know where we want to get the therapy better. And so just starting with the implantable products, with the Inspire V, the fifth generation neurostimulator that we're developing, it will still have an 11-year battery life, but it will have internal sensing, right? So we're going to able to eliminate that whole sensing lead, right? So that makes the OR procedure so much better. That allows us to detect respiration using an accelerometer. Accelerometers are used in cardiac pacemakers for some time, upper rate response of pacing. So when you go jogging, your pacemaker pace is faster. Same technology, except we're sensing respiration. It does other things. We can sense if you're laying on back, on your left side, right side. And that takes different kind of stimulation. So it sets up for where we're going with Inspire VI, VII, VIII, because now it's a microprocessor-based system with downloadable software. So now we -- eventually, the end goal is we want a device that's going to detect if the patient's having obstructive events and it will auto titrate. So if you kind of look at where we built our patent portfolio, it's around a device that you put it in, it auto titrates. It'll know when you're sleeping, it'll know when you're awake, so it'll turn itself on, turn itself off. So we have generations of where we're going to build this technology. Now from the technology side, this is where it really gets excited. You've already downloaded the app, right? Inspire app is on -- you can download it to your cell phone. And when you do that, give it a 5-star rating, of course. And what that does is, today, it's used primarily for education for patients looking for a physician. You can find a physician on the app, and they'll use your cell phone locator. But we've also released Version 2. Version 2 now allows us to collect clinical data. In other words, the questionnaires that used to fill out by pen and paper, well, now it's downloaded to your app and patients ask the Epworth Sleepiness Scale or satisfaction scores so they can give feedback. And all of that connects to the Inspire Cloud. The physician already -- is already attached to Inspire Cloud. Now we're developing the next-generation remote control. The remote control will have Bluetooth in it. All the information from the neurostimulator and in the remote control will get sent to the patient's smartphone and straight to the cloud. We also are investigating partnering, to be able to do some sleep studies, home sleep studies. Those -- well Itamar is certainly one that we really like. There's another company in Belgium that we like. That's just a pulse-ox type of -- or arterial pressure management, where we can detect sleep, and that uploads to the cloud. So now if I'm a physician doing a telemedicine, I'm going to say, I'm going to have you do a sleep study tonight. And so for our meeting tomorrow, I can have fresh information. I can download all the information from the device. I know their utilization. Are they changing their therapy? I will have a sleep study that I can see how they're doing. Eventually, and this is not-too-distant future, the physician will be able to send programming signals using telemedicine. There's already a company that has that approved. And so we're really working. So eventually, telemedicine is not just a verbal conversation. The doc says, okay, I'm going to send through programming parameters through the cloud through your smartphone, to the remote and reprogram your device. That's breakthrough. And that's not that too far off because it's already been approved, and we're working on that as well. So my goal is to have every patient on the app communicating with their physicians to be able to manage their therapy. And that's going to -- that's really ambitious of us, I know, but certainly, within the realms of existing technology.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#44

Well, that was a great way to end. Super helpful description of the new -- of the pipeline. Tim and Rick, we're out of time, but I really appreciate you kicking off our virtual health care conference this year. Good luck.

Timothy Herbert

executive
#45

Same here. Thank you very much.

Richard Buchholz

executive
#46

Thanks for having us.

Larry Biegelsen

analyst
#47

Thanks, guys.

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