Insulet Corporation (PODD) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 10, 2022
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Kyle Rose
analystGreat. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to the in-person version of the 42nd Annual Canaccord Genuity Global Growth Conference. I'm Kyle Rose. I'm one of the medical technology analysts here at the firm. And I'm very excited to see a pretty good room on a Wednesday afternoon. So thanks for sticking with us. I'm joined this afternoon by Insulet. Insulet is the leader in the pay-as-you-go insulin delivery space, what we view as one of the best technology platforms in the sector in a really compelling differentiated business model. So very pleased to be joined this afternoon by Bret Christensen, the Chief Commercial Officer; as well as Dr. Trang Ly, Insulet's Medical Director. And then we've got the finance questions for Deb Gordon, who leads IR here. So we've got a fireside chat, but I want to make this as interactive as possible. So if there are questions, please don't hesitate to raise your hand, and I'll do my best to weave them in. But just to kind of start, there's a lot going on now that I think makes diabetes as a sector really interesting. And then with Insulet specifically, we've got some really compelling tailwinds with the O5 full market release. That's FMR, not LMR, the big difference in swapping out that one letter. But then we continue to see record patient starts regardless and really have not seen any impact from COVID.
Kyle Rose
analystSo I guess maybe the place to start is just a quick recap of the Q2, some of the market dynamics you've seen in the first half of the year. And then as we transition into the second half, what should we really keep in mind?
Bret Christensen
executiveYes. Kyle, thanks for having us. So Q2 was really about Omnipod 5. And there are those acronyms, LMR, FMR, which we're glad to be done with because at the end of Q2, actually just after the Q2, we entered into our full market release of Omnipod 5. But all the tailwinds and the strength of Q2 was an Omnipod 5 story. So we said a couple of things. We said we had a record number of new starts on product in the U.S. and worldwide, and the U.S. was driven primarily by Omnipod 5, even though we were still in a limited market release in Q2. So we opened it up for anyone to write a prescription and any patient to get on product as long as they did so in a limited distribution network. And in spite of that, we still saw 25% of new starts in Omnipod 5, and it scaled pretty aggressively throughout the quarter. We exited Q2 at a much higher rate as a percentage of new start, and that really was the strength and the story of Q2.
Kyle Rose
analystAnd one of the other questions coming out, and I realize I've got the Commercial Officer here and the Medical Director. So I'm not going to get too in the weeds for financials purposes. But one of the big things coming out of that was you did make some comments about margins over the near and medium term. So maybe just kind of remind us what that, I guess, reset of expectations was and kind of the overall driver behind it.
Bret Christensen
executiveSure. So years ago, we set a goal and a guide that we would get to 70% gross margin. We did so, but we're not immune to some of the macroeconomic environment and issues that are going on. So inflationary pressures with cost of components. We called out a warranty issue, which was really a battery issue that we had with our PDM that we had to account for, for the rest of the year. And then just really product and manufacturing mix. As we manufacture more in the U.S. and have more Omnipod 5, there's slight pressures there as well. But we're committed to getting back to 70%, but we did say that at least for the remainder of the year and into next year, we've already got inventory that we're building now that will be for next year. So we have really good line of sight in gross margin, and we do expect those headwinds to persist for the next little while.
Kyle Rose
analystOkay. And then the last 2 more near-term questions before we get into the actual fun stuff is just when I think about an inflationary environment, particularly for consumer-focused paying goods, historically, we had DME and it was large out-of-pocket expenses in times of tightened consumer discretionary spending, maybe they would delay an upgrade. How, if at all, are you seeing any inflation impact to patients now with the pay-as-you-go model with just like a regular pharmacy co-pay? How should we think about that risk in this model in this environment?
Bret Christensen
executiveWe're not seeing it in the way others do because of our pay-as-you-go model. And so as you know, Kyle, years ago, we made the decision to remove the lock-in period for patients where they're not locked into technology for 4 years, and we gave up the upfront fee, the bill to payers. So what it means is a really predictable, low out-of-pocket cost for patients in the pharmacy channel, where the vast majority of our patients pay something less than $50. Many pay 0. That's really an important component of our success because as there are pressures, economic pressures and patients are feeling that, they don't have the cost burden with Omnipod the way they would with a traditional tubed pump.
Kyle Rose
analystOkay. And then on COVID, is that still really an impact on the business? Are we still seeing challenges for patients to get into physician offices and get scripts written and get on product? I know that you and the industry have made huge strides as far as patient onboarding and them being able to do it on their own and self-teaching, some of the things that used to be done by nurses and things of that sort. But is COVID an impact? And I guess that's a question both in the U.S. and internationally still.
Bret Christensen
executiveIt hasn't gone away, but the way we described it is sort of the new world and the new way of doing business. And so we have done a really good job operating with COVID pressures, where the majority of our trainings are virtual trainings. With Omnipod 5, we develop self-service tools. So anybody coming from one of our legacy products has the ability to self-serve and self-start on Omnipod 5. That's tremendously helpful. And we didn't call it out because we were not feeling it, it's really -- frankly, it's hard to feel COVID and economic pressures in the midst of an Omnipod 5 launch where demand and excitement is just so high.
Kyle Rose
analystThat's fair. And that's a perfect segue into Omnipod 5 itself. So maybe Trang, I want to give you a second to comment as well because I know you were instrumental in both the trial design, but also the algorithm development as well. So maybe help -- this is more of a generalist audience. So help us understand what's different about Omnipod 5 relative to DASH. And then what's different between Omnipod 5 relative to the other AID systems we've seen in the market?
Trang Ly
executiveYes. Thanks, Kyle. So I've been involved in Omnipod 5 for 6 years now, and there is really no other product like it on the market. It is the only tubeless automated insulin delivery system. And so before the advent of AID systems, as we call them, pump therapy was very much manual. And so you set rates, and then you get that insulin delivery, and there wasn't that feedback from continuous glucose monitoring feeding in and dynamic insulin delivery. And it's really only recently that there have been other products that have come to market that have been able to automate insulin delivery. But ours is differentiated in that it is the only automated tubeless system where the algorithm is on the Pod itself, and what that means is a patient can wear a Pod and a Dexcom G6 sensor on body and be in full closed-loop control 24/7. So they don't need to remove their pump to shower because it's a waterproof device, and they can stay in closed-loop control. And what I'd say also is that we have taken the time because we are third to market with an AID system to really improve the user experience. And what I mean by that is making sure that we're not pestering patients with unnecessary alarms and doing our best to reduce the burden of care for people living with diabetes. I don't know if many people in the audience really know what it's like to live with diabetes or care for a child with diabetes, but it's incredibly burdensome. When you have a 2-year-old who is diagnosed with diabetes, it will completely change that child's life. It will change that family's life forever. And it's just incredible the advances we've seen in diabetes in terms of the CGM technology and in pump therapy. And then without innovation, it is a type of next-level innovation at bringing tubeless AID to market. And so it's been much anticipated. And honestly, the response has been incredible. People have been talking about how incredibly life-changing this technology is. And it's not a word that I throw around lightly, but it really does transform the ability to care for diabetes, and it frees up so much of that cognitive burden that people carry when they're diagnosed with diabetes, and it's something that we, as a society, don't really talk about and acknowledge. So yes, it's been phenomenal. And the launch, it's been super exciting to see the thousands of patients who have been able to get on our product and see the phenomenal results that we've seen in the field. So super exciting.
Kyle Rose
analystAnd being a clinician yourself and working on the research side of things, when you've -- we've seen multiple cuts of the data, right? We saw it at ENDO last year. We saw more at ATTD. We saw more at ADA. What's the -- what resonates most with your peers and clinicians that you're showing the data to or -- and even the real-world experience you've seen in the first, I guess, 8 months of the limited market launch and the first week of the full market launch.
Trang Ly
executiveYes. I think with other systems that have come to market, I think the results in the trials were not necessarily replicated in real life. And I think that really comes down to the user experience. So what we've done at Insulet is really optimize that user experience to make it simple and easy to use and also is the only system that is adaptive. And what I mean by that is that the algorithm learns over time based upon the total daily insulin. So if you are in need of more insulin, the system will adjust insulin delivery to give you more. So if you've got a growing teenager or a newly diagnosed patient who's coming out of honeymoon and you need more insulin, our system will automatically adjust. And the reason why that's so important is because we can't expect patients to go back and see their physicians every 3 months. Like nobody has time for that. Our systems just don't have that level of capacity. And so it's important for us in terms of our technology and our model that we are able to provide differentiated AID technology that also grows with the patient and, to some extent, requires less tweaking than some of the other systems. And so we have really built it for that longevity. And -- because with our payment system, if someone is not happy with our system, they stop using the product, then we lose a customer. That's a big deal to us. So for us, it really matters that user experience, how easy is it for them to get onto the product, start the product and then how well does it work for them long term. And so I'd love that people are not talking about things like annoying alarms or they're not talking about hypoglycemia because we designed that out of the system. And that's a really phenomenal achievement, I think, that we've been able to bring to the diabetes community as a company.
Kyle Rose
analystYes. And one of the things that surprised me on the Q2 call was 25% of your patients were already on -- that seems like a lot for a limited release. So maybe kind of help me understand how the limited market release progressed, like what you've learned and what made you comfortable to say, "All right, let's move into the full release here." I know we were ready as investors. But...
Bret Christensen
executiveWe are ready, too. It's been a long time, and it works. But we did say LMR, the limited release would be somewhere between 3 and 9 months. So we sort of split it right down the middle and got to full market release within 6 months. But one of the things we learned -- remember, the first phase of the LMR was just a few hundred patients, and we didn't onboard any new patients. We wanted to test the onboarding experience, training, a lot of things we were looking at before we open it up for any physician to be able to write a prescription, which we did in Q2. And then everything just sort of accelerated for us then. What we did is we -- we said the average -- I mean, the -- 25% of all of our new starts were Omnipod 5. So you can imagine it scaled quite dramatically throughout the quarter, and we exited at a much higher rate than 25%. But I think Trang will say, "I told you so" because she knew demand was going to be really high for this. It probably was above even the high scenario for us for both new starts and conversions. And it makes sense because it's just been so anticipated and everybody's been waiting for Omnipod 5. We have Podders who have been waiting for it for years, and they're all eligible because none of them are locked in to old technology. And so if they've got a prescription, they've got access, they can get on Omnipod 5. And what we're excited about for the start of Q3 is we're entering now a full market release, which just means the retail channel will have availability. And so you can you go down to your corner pharmacy and get Omnipod 5, both the starter kit, which includes the PDM, and the supply of Pods. So the distribution network is vast, and we're ready to start really full promotion and to scale it.
Kyle Rose
analystYes. And when we think about that push, I mean, is it just opening up the floodgates and letting patients go pick it up at the pharmacy? Or is it you've got new direct-to-consumer campaigns that you're pushing patients out? I mean obviously, there's a big contingent of patients waiting for it, right?
Bret Christensen
executiveYes.
Kyle Rose
analystThat's clearly evident based on what we saw in the Q2. But what drives the compelling adoption when we think about the second half of the year?
Bret Christensen
executiveWe'll focus on all those things. So access is open. We've got to continue to build reimbursement. We said we were about 55% of covered lives, which is way ahead of where we were at with DASH, our previous product, at this point in time. So we're excited about the progress we've made there. We're probably at a point now that we originally thought we would be at, at the end of the year. So access is going to be really good for patients. Promotion is going to pick up. We've already started running some TV commercials that highlight the Omnipod 5 message. That's really exciting for us because we've got to build awareness for Omnipod as a whole, but it's really exciting to finally be talking about AID. So you'll see all those happen in Q3, and it's exciting to see where we're finally at, and we can finally stop talking about limited release and any sort of barriers to entry.
Kyle Rose
analystYes. I also want to talk about some of the -- what we've seen is an increasing narrative around O5, just when we're talking about the use for AID systems in type 2 populations. Obviously, you have a very strong type 2 patient population with DASH. But when you think about it as like trial design and what it's going to take to get the product to the type 2 market, how do you view that -- the opportunity for AID?
Trang Ly
executiveYes. I think the opportunity is enormous for AID and type 2. And I think we have proven pump therapy is very successful in type 2 diabetes. And our success with DASH was facilitated by a couple of things. So Omnipod DASH is our product that isn't -- doesn't have the automated insulin delivery connectivity. And that is indicated for anyone with diabetes. And what we saw there is in the past, up to 40% of our new patient starts are actually type 2 diabetes. And that is because of our simplicity and our low cost. And so what we've shown is that if you are able to bring the cost down and make it affordable technology for people and you make it simple and easy to use, that these technologies will be taken up by people with type 2 diabetes, and they will have better glycemic outcomes from it. So it's been hugely successful, certainly more than I anticipated and most endocrinologists, I would say, have anticipated. And so what -- with AID, it's different because it requires CGM, and not everyone believes that everyone with type 2 diabetes should have CGM, and that data is only just emerging. And so when we released Omnipod 5, we were like -- well, when we finished the study for type 1, we were like, wow, this technology could be really helpful for type 2 because look how successful just DASH has been with type 2. But we're really just building the -- and we've been really the first to do these studies in type 2 diabetes with AID systems. And so we did a feasibility study with 24 patients with suboptimal glucose control, so A1c of 8% or higher, who had never been on a pump before. And so we got those 24 patients, and we put them on our Omnipod 5 system to see how they would do. And they did extremely well. Their A1cs dropped by 1.3% and dropped, I think, further in our extension period that we presented at ADA this year. And the time in range increased roughly by 50%. So starting time in range of 40% up to 60%. And these patients reported just feeling so much better, needing less insulin and just feeling more in control of their diabetes, whereas previously, they felt that it was out of their control. And so what this really showed us is that this technology really is feasible, it's safe and effective in the type 2 population. And it's just that they haven't had the opportunity to use this technology. And so there was nothing worrying at all from the feasibility study. It was very safe. We didn't see any severe hypo. And so we've been in discussions with the FDA about the clinical trial design. We have a very solid idea of what that looks like in terms of the number of patients and the duration. But that will be a significant investment for us to get that type 2 indication. And also, it's a more heterogeneous population as well. And so this population tends to be a little bit older with lots of comorbidities. And so FDA wants to make sure that this technology is safe. But clinically speaking, all the data are showing that it's highly effective. And actually, we've also been working with some colleagues in the hospital setting as well. These are investigator-initiated studies, but a lot of type 2 patients in that study, getting the use of an AID system through our system because really, ours is the only disposable AID system that could be used in a hospital setting. So again, small study, small numbers, and that data will probably come out next year. But just really incredible to see the potential of our technology being used in populations that are just in desperate need of better therapies.
Kyle Rose
analystAnd Bret, I wanted to circle back on the -- you talked about market access as one that's going to be like the biggest rate limiter in the near term. I think you said north of 50% covered lives now. You obviously got very well-published studies. You've got a big clearance. Is it just a matter of time? Or is there -- is it just moving through the right processes to get the new contracts? Or is there something structural that we need to think about?
Bret Christensen
executiveYes. No, I think it's time. And if you think about where we're at with DASH today, over 90% of covered lives in the U.S., that's almost perfect coverage. It really doesn't get any better than that. It's incremental after 90%. So there's no reason why Omnipod 5 can't get to that same level. It's a pretty simple value proposition to a payer, "We're going to give you a product that's going to serve your patients and give them better outcomes, give you better outcomes. There's no upfront fee. There's no lock-in period, and we're going to price it at period. So -- at parity." So it makes perfect sense. And I think it's just process. Again, we're well ahead of where we thought we would be. It's going much quicker than DASH. And I don't see any reason why we wouldn't get to the DASH level at some point.
Kyle Rose
analystAnd then when we think about the remainder of the trials -- because I think we're still -- for O5, we're still waiting on pediatrics, right?
Trang Ly
executiveYes.
Kyle Rose
analystAnd then its CE Mark.
Trang Ly
executiveThat's right. Yes.
Kyle Rose
analystRight. So just remind us -- does it take more trials? Or is it just timing? What should we think about those 2 initiatives?
Trang Ly
executiveYes. So the -- currently, Omnipod 5 is cleared in the United States for ages 6 and over. And we are currently under review. So the trial is already completed for the 2 to 6 year olds, and that was published in Diabetes Care, Kyle, I'm sure you've read it. And the -- that is under review with the FDA right now. That trial went very well. There were no safety concerns. And 100% of the patients continued using that product in the extended period. So we are very confident about getting that indication, and CE Mark is also underway now. Bret?
Bret Christensen
executiveYes. We're probably just months away from CE Mark in Europe. It won't require anything new. We're really close. We're very confident. And then we just highlighted -- because Kyle, that's sort of the first step to getting Omnipod 5 in our international markets. We've got work to do with the cloud. And we've got work to do with reimbursement and establishing access, but we're pretty confident in the CE Mark coming in the near term.
Kyle Rose
analystYes. So that was going to be one of my questions, was where we would finish on international. I mean that's been -- there's been such structural changes that you've undertaken over the course of the last 5-plus years, going direct, building out better reimbursement and market access. I guess overall expectations that we should be thinking about as far as time to market for -- obviously, DASH is still doing really well. So you're not -- you don't have a gun to your head or anything, but the market's going to want O5, right?
Bret Christensen
executiveYes. We've made tremendous progress internationally. I mean just 5 years ago, we were essentially in 2 markets, U.S. and Canada. We went to -- took our business back in Europe. We were at 14 countries. We've since expanded to 24. So in short order, we've gone from 14 to 24 countries, launched DASH in all those countries. DASH is the vast majority of all new starts. Something like 99% of all new starts in our international markets is on DASH. We've got work to do with Omnipod 5. We know that's going to be exciting and just as anticipated as it was in the U.S. And so the work that Trang mentioned is being done, and we'll get it there. But it's a real strong part of our business, and we look to continue to expand in the future.
Kyle Rose
analystOkay. And I've got one final question. I'm going to throw a bit of a curveball. So I'm going to apologize to Deb. But we've been covering the name for the entirety that I've been here, over 12 years. And when I think where the company struggled a couple of times historically, one, it's been navigating new product launches from a manufacturing and inventory perspective and then navigating some of that transition into the stocking into the channel. We saw some stocking effects in the Q2. Obviously, manufacturing, supply chain, semiconductor chips, like that's one of the biggest buzzwords we're hearing at this conference. So just overall confidence around the capability and the strength of the supply chain to handle this type of major launch in the U.S. and then eventually OUS.
Bret Christensen
executiveWe're very confident. So we've got tremendous capacity. We've got a lot of inventory for DASH, and we're able to really quickly produce Omnipod 5 inventory. So capacity is not going to be an issue. And frankly, I think one of the reasons why we call out inventory stocking or destocking is we have tremendous visibility into the channel. We see when patients start on Omnipod, we see when they put a Pod on, when they take a Pod off. And I would just say many companies don't have that type of visibility. And so we don't talk about pump shipments or Pod shipments. We talk about new starts because we see not just when a PDM goes into the channel, but when a patient actually activates it. And so we just have tremendous visibility there. We'll call out inventory when it is something that's material. But I think it was to be expected. We launched Omnipod 5. It's very anticipated, a lot of excitement. Volume and demand exceeded our expectations, and it's only natural that there will be some inventory in the channel. It will go up a little bit quicker than DASH. But again, we'll manage that very closely. We'll call it out if it is a material issue going forward.
Kyle Rose
analystGood. And I should have caveated that by saying none of those issues happen under the current management team. So I'm not trying to -- I mean, we just got some scar tissue from decades past. But no, thank you very much. I want to thank everybody for joining us this afternoon. Thank you for sticking around. It's a very compelling story, and I'm very glad we are able to present it.
Bret Christensen
executiveThanks, Kyle.
Kyle Rose
analystThank you.
Trang Ly
executiveThanks, Kyle.
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