Intel Corporation (INTC) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 3, 2023
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Operator
operatorThank you for standing by, and welcome to Intel Corporation's Business Update Call. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, today's program is being recorded. And now I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Mr. John Pitzer, Corporate Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
John Pitzer
executiveThanks, Jonathan. I'd like to welcome everyone to today's webcast to discuss the press release issued after the close of market regarding our Programmable Solutions Group. I am joined today by CEO, Pat Gelsinger; and Executive Vice President and General Manager of DCAI, Sandra Rivera. In a moment, you will hear brief comments from both followed by an abbreviated Q&A session. Before we begin, please note that today's discussion does contain forward-looking statements based on the environment as we currently see it and are subject to various risks and uncertainties. It also contains references to non-GAAP financial measures that we believe are useful to our investors. Our quarterly earnings release and most recent annual report on Form 10-K and other filings with the SEC provide more information on specific risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. They also provide additional information on non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliation where appropriate to our corresponding GAAP financial measures. After our prepared comments, Pat and Sandra will be available to answer your questions. We ask that your questions focus on today's announcement and today's announcement only. We will be hosting our Q3 earnings call after the close of market on October 26, and we will provide details on our results and outlook at that time. With that, let me turn things over to Pat.
Patrick Gelsinger
executiveThanks, John, and thanks to all of you who were able to join the webcast on short notice. Over the last 2.5 years, Intel has been fully focused on our IDM 2.0 transformation, executing on our process and product road maps, establishing ourselves as a global at-scale systems foundry for both wafer processing and advanced packaging and positioning ourselves to benefit from the five superpowers propelling the semiconductor industry to $1 trillion in revenue by 2030. Specifically, the increasingly ubiquitous need for compute, connectivity, cloud to edge infrastructure, sensing and of course, the opportunity we have to bring AI everywhere. . A key part of our transformation has been looking for innovative ways to unlock value for all of our stakeholders, including the successful IPO of Mobileye and the investments by Bain Capital and TSMC into our IMS nano fabrication business. In combination, these two businesses are valued at over $35 billion and added roughly $4 billion in cash to our balance sheet. Beyond the financial benefits, our actions provided renewed focus, flexibility and autonomy for both companies to pursue the significant opportunities ahead more aggressively. Against this backdrop, I am extremely pleased to announce this afternoon our plans to operate our Programmable Solutions Group as a stand-alone business and to appoint Sandra Rivera as Chief Executive Officer; and Shannon Poolen as Chief Operating Officer. This decision gives PSG the mandate focus and resources to better capitalize on the attractive expected growth of FPGAs across data center and communications and importantly, the multi-market embedded opportunity in the industrial, automotive and aerospace and defense sectors. While we have demonstrated the early evidence of the PSG repositioning, including three consecutive quarters of record revenue and the strengthening of our road map to address a broader set of customers and market segments with 11 new product launches year-to-date, this is just the beginning of the opportunity we have with PSG. Our actions today will accelerate our time line to achieve those goals. The stand-alone business operations for PSG will begin effective January 1, 2024, and we expect to report PSG as a separate business unit when we release our Q1 fiscal year '24 financials. Our intent is to bring private investors into the business in 2024 on the path to an initial public offering over the next 2 to 3 years. Both will serve to further drive the repositioning and value creation of PSG. Importantly, even as we take on incremental investors, Intel will retain a majority stake in PSG and remain tightly aligned, including and especially PSG's growing relationship with IFS, building on PSG's highly successful supply resilience program pilot. We continue to see FPGAs as very complementary to our data center and networking offerings, and PSG will benefit at the high end as we reestablish transistor power and performance leadership on Intel 18A. In addition, as we bolster PSG's midrange and low-end product offerings, we see strong synergies between the long product life cycles in industrial, automotive and aerospace and defense sectors and our IDM 2.0 strategy focused on utilizing our manufacturing assets over a much longer time period for higher rates of return. I am very excited for Sandra as she transitions into this new role and embraces these new challenges and opportunities. Sandra has been instrumental in putting DCAI on the right path over the last 2.5 years of leading the organization. We continue to see great traction for fourth gen Xeon in the marketplace and are excited to have the official launch of fifth gen Xeon, codename Emerald Rapids on December 14. In addition, we are on track to launch Sierra Forest on Intel 3 in the first half of next year with Granite Rapids following shortly thereafter. Clearwater Forest, our first product on Intel 18A is on track for 2025. Lastly, our pipeline for Gaudi continues to grow as we are seeing tangible traction in the strong and growing accelerate compute market being fueled by AI everywhere. This includes two recent collaborative announcements at our Intel innovation event with stability.ai and Dell. Sandra's work with DCAI is only her most recent accomplishment. She is a well-rounded 23-year veteran of Intel and has driven critical and diverse efforts from human resources to networking. Sandra drove the significant growth of our network platforms group where she advanced breakthrough ways to integrate silicon and software to create greater customer value and evolve network infrastructure to Intel-based solutions. It is this breadth and consistency in results that makes me confident she is ready to take the next step and take on the CEO role of PSG. We have already begun an extensive search both internally and externally for Sandra's successor as she will continue to lead DCAI and ensure a seamless transition as we bring in the new leader of the group. On a personal note, I am extremely thankful for all of Sandra's efforts to set up DCAI for many future successes. Lastly, while today's announcement is about the great opportunity ahead for our Programmable Solutions Group, we also issued a press release setting our Q3 earnings date. We will report after the close of market on October 26 with our usual conference call beginning at 2:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. At the Deutsche Bank Technology Conference several weeks back, we noted that revenue for the quarter was tracking above the midpoint of our guided range. We had a strong quarter, and we look forward to having final numbers to share with you at the end of the month. With that, let me turn things over to the newly appointed Chief Executive Officer of our Programmable Solutions Group, Sandra Rivera, to make some additional comments.
Sandra Rivera
executiveThank you, and I'd like to add my welcome to everyone joining us on the webcast this afternoon. As Pat shared moments ago, today marks the beginning of an exciting new chapter for PSG. I'm honored to be entrusted with leading the business as we accelerate its repositioning to capture growth and improved profitability. I'm also thrilled to be joined by Shannon Poulin as my Chief Operating Officer. Together, we will be building out the leadership team in the coming weeks and months, including the addition of a Chief Financial Officer. I'm extremely excited by the opportunity to lead PSG, but also very proud of what the DCAI team has accomplished together over the last 2.5 years. We've simplified and strengthened our product road map, and as Pat mentioned, are executing on or ahead of schedule on all of our key programs. In addition, we've also started to show the market the value of our AI product portfolio, including our ability to address AI workloads across the compute continuum, including the largest, most challenging large language models. As we bring in a new leader, I remain confident that DCAI is on a clear path to recapture product and TCO leadership across all workloads and markets. It is also very clear that there are significant areas of tight collaboration with DCAI and NEX as we augment their core offerings with PSG's considerable FPGA IP. As one particular example, we're seeing growing interest in AI use cases for FPGAs to augment CPUs and other accelerators like Gaudi and Falcon Shores. Areas in AI where FPGAs are well suited, include data ingest at the front of the AI pipeline data and traffic management with FPGA-based IPUs for offload, security acceleration and edge-based training and inference work look. I am equally excited to be able to give PSG the flexibility and resources to be able to go well beyond our original charter when we were acquired in 2015. While well represented in data center, we will increase investment and focus on parts of the FPGA market that represent significant growth, especially the industrial, automotive, aerospace and defense sectors. As many of you know, these markets have very attractive growth profile, longer product life cycles and higher levels of profitability. Third-party sources estimate the FPGA market at roughly $8 billion in 2023, growing to $11.5 billion by 2027 or roughly a high single-digit compound annual growth rate. As Pat mentioned, we've done a good job putting PSG on the right track, but there's still more work to be done. As of the end of Q2, our trailing 12-month revenue was $2.9 billion with gross and operating profits well above Intel Corporate average. Over the next few quarters, we expect to navigate through a normalization of supply and demand caused by extreme COVID-induced cyclicality even as we make some necessary investments in products and go-to-market capabilities. These actions will position us to gain share, especially in the most profitable markets over the next 2 to 3 years. We will discuss our long-term target model in more detail in early 2024 when we expect to unpack our PSG strategy. But longer term, we are driving the business to comparable FPGA gross margins in the mid-60s plus with operating margins in the mid-30% range. Broadly speaking, we intend to achieve this by investing in the business to develop new products aimed at driving a better balance amongst our end markets as noted previously. We also have significant opportunity to increase our presence and scale and distribution, a critical go-to-market channel for FPGAs. We will also have the benefit of leveraging our strong collaborative relationship with Intel, DCAI for data center, NEX for communications and networking and, of course, Intel foundry for manufacturing. We see a strong appetite, especially in aerospace and defense and industrial markets for long-term supply agreements with domestically produced products in the U.S. and Europe, and we'll use that to create and capture value with our customers. I look forward to interacting with many of you over the coming months and quarters as we strive to be good stewards of our owners' capital and unlock significant value for our customers, our employees and our shareholders. With that, let me turn things back to John to moderate as we answer your questions on today's announcement.
John Pitzer
executiveThanks, Sandra. We're now going to transition to the Q&A portion of our presentation today. we ask that each participant ask a single question with a brief follow-up if appropriate. Again, please keep all questions germane to today's announcement. With that, Jonathan, can we have the first question?
Operator
operatorCertainly. Our first question comes from the line of Timothy Arcuri from UBS.
Timothy Arcuri
analystPat, I guess the first question is, how does this separation? I mean, I certainly understand that it helps you monetize the asset. But how does it help PSG compete better? Was PSG being starved for resources previously and it will be -- it will have better resource allocation. Can you just talk about that?
Patrick Gelsinger
executiveYes. Thank you. And we're excited about today's announcement because we think it will unlock value. We certainly heard that from our shareholders that, boy, this is an asset that we think makes sense to do what you've done with Mobileye and what you've done with IMS. So we've clearly got an affirmation from shareholders there. But we also see that the business has underperformed, right, particularly in the higher-margin areas of the business where we've been very focused on data center and other areas of the business. So we haven't been managing it as well as we could have. We believe this will give the best of Intel, as we said, leveraging data center and networking really benefiting from IFS and that relationship is really emerging nicely now for the supply assurance program pilot, as we described. Coming off of COVID, we see that there was substantial interest in this type of program. But we also see that we have the opportunity to execute more effectively in the lower margin rich mid- and low-end areas of the business with industrial with military aerospace, areas of the business that we've been underperforming and are better margin-rich long-term opportunities. and having a more nimble execution model where this team is entirely focused on what we think is a great opportunity there. And Sandra, maybe if you want to add a bit.
Sandra Rivera
executiveYes. So I mean clearly, having the opportunity to operate with greater independence and more speed, agility in decision-making and just turning our strategy to execution while leveraging all the goodness of what we have in terms of the deep Intel relationship. Clearly, as Pat pointed out, leveraging the semiconductor manufacturing and packaging leadership that we have, both in Europe and in the U.S., which is very important for our customers and particularly -- higher margin, stickier markets like aerospace, like military, certainly the work that we're doing in industrial and automotive. So just the opportunity to build derivatives faster. As Pat mentioned, we already launched 11 of the 15 products we committed year-to-date. We're going to be sampling products in that mid-range here in Q4 the low end in the first half of next year. And we can leverage that performance leadership that we have in our fabric, the IP reuse that we have across the portfolio and just moving to that [chiplet] architecture with faster derivatives, leveraging Intel packaging technology will just allow us to create more value for our customers and deliver greater levels of innovation more quickly.
John Pitzer
executiveTim, do you have a quick follow-up?
Timothy Arcuri
analystI do, John. Thanks Pat, I also wanted to clarify. I mean PSG is going to be a separate entity you had announced an unnamed new 18A foundry customer. So I just wanted to make sure that this is not that customer. So this customer is not PSG, correct?
Patrick Gelsinger
executiveNo. This is not. Now I will say we expect PSG is going to take full advantage of 18A over time. We have a next-generation product line that is uniquely going to benefit from that. And as Sandra said, we do think that high end of this product portfolio is going to be uniquely benefited there but the announcement of our 18A prepay customer entirely separate from this. And as we've indicated there, we do expect to be able to make further announcements of 18A progress before the end of the year. But this is not that customer. And we do see the continued momentum. And as you saw just this week, the Intel 4 announcement or last week and that we had in Ireland was a great momentum statement for our continued 5 nodes in 4 years. And PSG properly is going to be a big beneficiary of the foundry business and the supply assurance program or supply resilience program is a big deal. Right? And post COVID, this ability to leverage long-term sticky supply chains for customers who were severely impacted by that last year. This is important.
John Pitzer
executiveJonathan, can we have our next question please?
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from the line of Ross Seymore from Deutsche Bank.
Ross Seymore
analystJust wanted to talk a little bit about or get some answers as to how quickly can you diversify back into that kind of broad-based core Altera business. When you bought the asset, it was really to double down on the data center side of things. Now you seem like you're kind of going back to the old school Altera side. good news of the profitability, the long tail, et cetera, but those design wins take many years to develop. So just talk about how fast you can accelerate into those markets as a stand-alone entity, if you could, please?
Patrick Gelsinger
executiveYes. Thanks, Ross. I'll start on that one. And one of the points is that Shannon, right, and this has been a business under Sandra's leadership for the last couple of years, we're already well underway. And many of those products, as Sandra mentioned in her earlier comments, that the mid- and low-end products are already in the pipeline, and those are part of some of the additional products that we expect to launch this year. So I'll say this transformation is already underway. Another point I'd emphasize, right, and ask Sandra to amplify, will be around building up the channels. right? And here, we've been largely homogenized inside of the Intel channel structure and particularly building up the distributors and [ VARs ] here. It was another area of particular focus that we see as nicely accelerated by creating this clear operational separation under Sandra, Shannon's leadership. So Sandra, you might add?
Sandra Rivera
executiveYes. And Ross, it's an excellent insight because as you know that some of those longer tail, stickier, very profitable segments do have long design cycles. But when I came into the organization, PSG was part of DCAI, we saw the opportunity to restructure the road map to go after some of that mid-range and low end, and we are going to be sampling the midrange Agilex 5 products this quarter before the end of the year. and then moving into sampling that low end, the first tranche of our low-end products, Agilex 3 in the first half of '24. And we have a lot of customer interest, and so the pipeline looks excellent, the demand is high, and we believe we can have an end-to-end portfolio that leverages all the innovation that we're water falling down from the high-end cloud and comms business where we had initially focused when the asset came in. So design cycle is long, but it's not our first day. We've been driving this transformation now in that road map for the last couple of years and are looking to really capitalize on it now as a separate entity, ability to make decisions faster and execute more quickly.
John Pitzer
executiveRoss, do you have a quick follow-up?
Ross Seymore
analystYes. I just wondered, on the manufacturing side being part of IFS, what percentage of this PSG business is currently run at Intel? Or any sort of metrics on how we should see that transitioning over time?
Sandra Rivera
executiveYes. We'll share a lot more of that in early '24, but I will say that increasingly, our portfolio is biased towards leveraging the packaging innovations, the supply resiliency that the Intel foundry nodes can provide to us. And so increasingly, we are actually adopting more and more of the innovations and differentiation that we get from Intel Foundry. Some of the historical products, which still have a lot of long life are on older nodes.
Patrick Gelsinger
executiveAnd I'd also add, Ross, that the PSG business will have opportunity and we'll be encouraged to continue to leverage other foundries as well, particularly where they have unique technology offerings that aren't part of the IFS portfolio. That said, following this COVID experience, we see enormous customer interest in a more secure resilient supply chain in North America. I think you can just imagine the industrial customers, the aerospace defense-based customers. There's a lot of interest in this. So we really think we're setting this up to really have unique advantage leveraging Intel but also the flexibility to build the best products using other foundries where appropriate.
John Pitzer
executiveJonathan, can we have the next question, please?
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Aaron Rakers from Wells Fargo.
Aaron Rakers
analystSo I guess the question I have is kind of flipping Ross' question around, can you talk a little bit about the data center and AI opportunity in the context of that $2.9 billion of trailing 12 month revenue. Any help of how large data center specifically is and kind of the growth and opportunities that you see evolving for these FPGAs in that area?
Sandra Rivera
executiveYes. So as I mentioned, there's a lot of opportunity in the data in this pipeline. We are seeing huge interest as we shared. We have been really focused on both the cloud and comms part of the overall market segments and there where we see the ability to use the FPGA IP for that security acceleration, for that network acceleration, for the AI acceleration, the data in just pipeline acceleration phase of the overall AI workflow. So in many ways, we are tapping into this tailwind that we're seeing in terms of the build-out of AI. And we are going to be able to leverage those strong relationships that we've built with the cloud service providers over the previous 8 years as we've been focused there to ride that wave and to increase the opportunity. I can talk more about in '24, just the sizing and scoping of that. But I can say simply that we are in the early days, and that does present a big growth opportunity for the overall portfolio.
John Pitzer
executiveAaron, do you have a quick follow-up?
Aaron Rakers
analystYes. And maybe just as a quick follow-up, if I can. In the realm of the FPGA market, not just you but the competitive landscape, there's been a lot of discussion around kind of backlog fulfillment backlog normalization. So I guess a similar question in the context of the $2.9 billion. Can you help us understand where we're at as far as normalizing that backlog and the growth rates that you've seen over the last couple of quarters relative to maybe that normalizing growth in the high single-digit range.
Sandra Rivera
executiveYes. We do expect that we're going to get back to more normalized cycles. And so we expect that to come back down over the next quarter or beginning of the next quarter because we have now satisfied most of the backlog that we had, and I think we're going to see that from our peers as well. And as we get back to more of those normal cycles, we're going to be in that range of -- more in the $2 billion range that we will see going forward and build out from there.
Patrick Gelsinger
executiveAnd just the way you should -- there was a bit of a cyclical high in the industry, which cyclicality is not an unexpected thing in semiconductors. But clearly, this is an ultra high in the context of COVID, particularly for the FPGA sector. So there will be a bit of normalization there, Aaron, and that's what Sandra is communicating. But as we do focus on higher profit, long tail businesses, leveraging the unique position with IFS, as we've said, and right, get very focused on getting to industry metrics for profitability in terms of gross margin and operating margin, as Sandra said, and putting this on a path to an IPO in the next 2 to 3 years. We think this is a great value creation opportunity for the market and clearly doing a better job to service a range of customers that we've been underserving of late.
John Pitzer
executiveJonathan, can we have the next question please?
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from the line of Christopher Rolland from SIG.
Christopher Rolland
analystFirst one is probably for Pat. I guess some housekeeping. First of all, is there a finer point on timing around the IPO. I know it's market dependent probably. Do you plan to bring any debt with the IPO as well? And then Mobileye, then is, how do we think about other assets at Intel, and are there some other possibilities of IPOs as well?
Patrick Gelsinger
executiveYes. So on the timing of IPO, what we said is we expect to bring an external investor in to partner with us in '24 and we'll begin that process fairly rapidly. And we said we'll start operating as a separate business by Q1 of next year, and we'll report that as part of our Q1 earnings call. we'll give you a proper reporting of this as a separate business then. And I expect the IPO takes 2 to 3 years, as I said. Part of that is getting 3-year financials in place, getting the perimeter defined separation done. Obviously, having external investment partner, we'll be working closely with them to help us get to that point in time. So I'd say you should expect a fairly normal time line for us to get this in shape for the IPO and with that, we do expect that market conditions will dictate when and how we do it. We want to realize a good outcome for all of our shareholders as we do that. But we think 2 to 3 years is a good general time line for that. This is the third that we've done. We've done Mobileye very successfully. We've done IMS, our mask writing business very successfully. We believe this will be very successful. We don't have any other specific things to speak about at this point in time. But I think we've demonstrated the real focus on value creation for our shareholders, best leveraging our assets exposing them to the marketplace and giving you transparency on how we're running the business for the future as well. So I think this is the next step in that journey.
John Pitzer
executiveChris, do you have a quick follow-up?
Christopher Rolland
analystYes. For Sandra, perhaps, I didn't quite follow. You mentioned the low and mid ranges for FPGA. Did you say that you already have invested or you're doubling down in those products to hit auto and industrial?
Sandra Rivera
executiveBoth. So we started investing 2 years ago as we refactored the road map and we are sampling the midrange products here in Q4 of '23, and we will be sampling our low-end products in the first half of '24. So we're well on our way. And because of our chiplet strategy and because of the tile-based architecture, we're actually able to deliver a lot of fast fuse and derivatives off of the main line of the portfolio. So we're pretty excited about building out that road map and being able to address some of those higher-margin, longer tail, sticky segments that we spoke about, the defense, automotive, industrial and aerospace sectors.
John Pitzer
executiveJonathan, I think we have time for one last question.
Operator
operatorAnd our final question comes from the line of William Stein from True Securities.
William Stein
analystI do have a question about the long-term margin structure. I believe you highlighted a target of mid-30s percent operating margin. And as I'm looking over my old Altera model, it looks like their historical target was 32% to 33%, but they were pretty consistently in the mid-20s. Can you talk about -- one thing I'd highlight is on the gross line, they were in the high 60s. So it implies that you're going to do quite a bit better in terms of operating efficiency. And I'm hoping you can help us understand what will be different in the go-forward company versus the heritage company in that regard.
Patrick Gelsinger
executiveYes. And I'll start and ask Sandra to help further. Simply put, we've looked over the historicals in the industry as well as for our business as well as how we're planning to realign the business strategy going forward. forward. And we do believe that we get to industry norms in the sector as we align our business as we've laid out with a full portfolio of products. The more margin-rich sensitive areas of the business, the supply assurances as we build those out and getting the business more efficient as well as we focus very singularly on this business operations to meet the industry expected a norm. So overall, we're going to set those targets in place. And I believe Sandra and Shannon are fully signed up to go drive to get to those targets. And as we already said, we're well on our way. We've been underway in improving the business performance here. We're now multi-quarters into that journey and feeling a good progress. against it. Some of that will be accentuated in the near term by this harsh cyclicality that we go through. But beyond that, we believe we're getting this to industry relevant metrics as we march to an IPO in 2 to 3 years.
Sandra Rivera
executiveYes. And Pat, I would just add that leadership products command leadership margins, and we feel really strong about the portfolio that we have, the strengthening road map and the opportunity to invest, especially in those high-margin sectors. And given that differentiated that we have, the leadership performance per watt that we have in our fabric. We shipped our 10 millionth chiplet already. So a tile-based chiplet architecture that leverages Intel leadership packaging, we just think that we have a differentiated asset portfolio that will drive leadership financial results for our shareholders.
John Pitzer
executiveWill, do you have a quick follow-up?
William Stein
analystYes. there had been quite a bit of debate historically as to what compute structure was going to be the -- maybe the choice that would be most common for server acceleration for training workloads. And -- the -- what I'm observing is an increasing focus on Gaudi for that application within AI. And Sandra, when you responded to this question earlier about AI applicability for FPGA. You talked a lot about pipeline. Is that the distinction that investors should try to understand that, that's sort of where customers are coalescing around using GPUs or maybe even ASICs for the core sort of training workloads? And these products, these FPGA products as it relates to AI more for the pipeline?
Sandra Rivera
executiveYes. So our portfolio really fits in nicely in terms of that overall AI workload. And as I mentioned, in the front end of the pipeline. But it's also just anything that we're doing in that security acceleration, network acceleration, data ingest acceleration. So all of those functions are going to be part of any AI workflow. And so we have an opportunity to really be a complementary capability to an accelerator, a CPU, a GPU, all the heterogeneous architectures that are going to take on the majority of the model training and deployment while we are doing a lot of that front-end processing as a co-processing capability with the main CPU, GPU or AI accelerator.
Patrick Gelsinger
executiveYes. Thank you. And we appreciate everyone joining us for this call today. Obviously, on a short notice. And thanks for your attention to this. We do think this is just good news, right, as we're exposing our PSG business and that opportunity more aggressive and the value creation that has both internally and externally. As we said today, we look forward to our Q3 earnings call and look forward to that conversation to have with you at the end of the month. Thank you, and I look forward to that next conversation and take care.
Operator
operatorThank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.
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