International Consolidated Airlines Group S.A. (IAG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 28, 2023

London Stock Exchange GB Industrials Passenger Airlines earnings 77 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Half Year 2023 International Airlines Group Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Luis Gallego, CEO. Please go ahead.

Luis Martín

executive
#2

Thank you very much. Good morning, everybody, and thank you for joining the IAG results presentations for the first half of 2023. With me today, I have Nicholas Cadbury, our CFO, as well as members of our management committee, including the CEOs of our main airlines. We have had a strong start to the year, reflecting that our airlines are based in large markets with good demand for our services. We have recorded a record profit, both for the half year and the second quarter with operating profit for the first 6 months of EUR 1.26 billion, which is also a big increase compared to this time last year. Specifically, our Spanish businesses are performing very well with a record profit at Iberia. Iberia's margin in the second quarter was just under 18% compared to 8.7% in second quarter 2019. At the same time, we are continuing to invest in our customers and operational performance, where the operating environment is currently challenging. Bookings are looking strong for third quarter, due in particular to a strong leisure demand. And financially, we expect net debt and leverage to continue to come down as we generate more profit and positive free cash flow this year. I will now hand over to Nicholas to talk you through the financial results for the period.

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#3

Thank you, Luis, and good morning, everybody. I'll just start with the profit bridge for the first half of the year and highlighting both the drivers of the improvement in profit since last year and then the results by each operating company. On the left of the slide, you can see that the increase in revenue has been the biggest driver, combining the restoration of capacity with strong unit revenue growth. That is slightly offset by cargo revenue, where yields are actually still 20% higher than 2019 levels, but there is a significant supply and demand imbalance across the market. The other revenue growth came from across our Loyalty, our MRO and our BA Holidays businesses. Nonfuel and fuel absolute costs reflect the higher level of flying activity and also the higher hedged fuel prices in the half. You can see on the right that all of our airlines have significantly improved their profit year-on-year, which I will come back to later. This slide shows the key operational and financial metrics for the half and at the bottom of each box is the Q2 variances versus 2022. The 31% increase in ASKs compared to H1 2022 was driven by a recovery in all airlines, especially in the first quarter when we were annualizing the Omicron constraints and a 20% improvement in ASKs in Q2. Passenger RASK was up 18% in the half and up 14% in Q2 versus last year with very good growth in unit revenues across all of our IAG Airlines, reflecting the strong demand. Fuel CASK was up 5.7%. Fuel spot commodity prices were actually lower year-on-year, but we benefited last year from hedges put in place before the Ukraine war sent prices higher. Nonfuel CASK for the half was in line with our guidance, down 7% year-on-year. In the quarter, nonfuel CASK was down only 2.5% lower, lower than our year -- full year run rate expectations due to additional disruption costs and investments we made in resilience. These added around 2% to 3% to our CASK. Despite this, we are still comfortable with our previous guidance for the full year of nonfuel costs being down 6% to 8% on 2022. As a result of these metrics, we've delivered a record operating profit in the half at EUR 1.3 billion and a margin of 9.3% in the half and a margin of 16.3% in the last quarter. With this good profit performance and a strong inflow in working capital, our net debt has come down again to EUR 7.6 billion, and leverage is now 1.5x significantly lower than this time last year. Moving on to the summary of our operating units for the half. You can see it has been a good financial half for all of our businesses. Aer Lingus has returned to a profit after a loss-making first quarter, reflecting the more seasonal aspects to its activities. British Airways has made a big step-up in profit comparisons to last year, driving both revenue and unit cost benefits year-on-year. Iberia has had an exceptional start to the year, making a record profit of EUR 372 million and 11% margin following strong demand across the South Atlantic. The increase in nonfuel CASK year-on-year largely related to the MRO and Handling business. Like Aer Lingus, the Vueling result is also more seasonal, but they performed very well with GBP 96 million profit for the half. And finally, we have given you more detail on the Loyalty business again, and you can see how it makes an important contribution to the Group's profit at a good margin of 25%. This next slide just shows you how our operating profit of EUR 1.3 billion reconciles to our statutory post-tax profit of EUR 921 million. I'll just draw your attention to the fact that we are now starting to get much better financial income on our cash, where we're earning around 3.5% in Q2 at an increasing rate compared to our current average cost of financial debt of around about 5%. Moving on to our cash flow. We've generated a net EUR 2.4 billion cash flow inflow in the half. You can see that this has been achieved by the EUR 2.2 billion EBITDA and a positive deferred income of just under EUR 2.4 billion as we built strong Q2 revenue. Offsetting this is our continued investment in our fleet, customer propositions and IT programs with EUR 1.3 billion of CapEx and EUR 225 million of ETS is purchased in the period. As mentioned earlier, our net debt at the 30th of June was EUR 7.6 billion. We expect to continue to benefit from the positive EBITDA across the year with a large proportion of the working capital unwinding in the second half, in line with normal seasonal trends. We maintain our previous capital guidance of around about EUR 4 billion for the year with 19 more aircraft expected to be delivered in the second half compared to 11 in the first half. Given the recovery of the business and our strong liquidity, we're starting to focus on reducing our gross debt. And in July, we repaid a EUR 500 million unsecured bond. At the year-end results, we gave guidance that net debt would be flat year-on-year. At this point, -- when we gave this guidance, consensus operating profit was around about EUR 2 billion. As we said at the Q1 results, we expect net debt to reduce in line with any operating profit improvements above this level. We show in the next slide, at results in February to remind you of the manageable debt maturity profile over the next few years. And as mentioned, we may look for opportunities to repay some of our gross debt in the second half if the markets are favorable. Moving on to our fuel hedging position. We're around about 67% hedged for the remainder of this year and just over 40% for 2024. Again, as the commodity price has been so volatile over the last year and the last few months even, we've shown some scenarios of our total fuel bill at different levels. Turning to recent trading. This slide shows the Q2 ASKs and PRASK growth across all of our regions compared to 2022. I won't go through these individually, but you can see our core markets of South and North America and Europe are showing a strong performance overall. We've shown very large ASK growth in Asia Pacific, reflecting that the market was substantially closed last year, and we've now opened up flying to China, Japan, Singapore and Australia. And lastly, for me, what does that mean for the rest of the year? We continue to see strong demand in the third quarter, which is 80% booked. We have less visibility into the fourth quarter, which is very typical for this time of year. And so far, for Q4, we are seeing no sign of weakness, and our booking curves are actually slightly ahead of normal years. This is due to the strong leisure demand that books further out, although with a higher mix of corporates in Q4, we expect this to normalize as we go through the rest of the year. Our capacity expectations for the year are unchanged at 97% of 2019 ASKs with the main area of shortfall coming from BA's Asia network with growth at each of the other airlines. Our nonfuel cash expectations continue to be in the range of 6% to 10% as previously guided. And finally, as mentioned a couple of slides ago, we expect net debt to continue to reduce year-on-year. On that note, I will now pass you back to Luis.

Luis Martín

executive
#4

Thank you, Nicholas. I will now spend a few minutes talking about the strength of the Group and its business model and highlighting some of the work we are going to deliver our strategy. Firstly, I would like to remind you that IAG has a unique structure based on driving high and sustainable returns in our operating companies. A big part of that is the way we have deeply managed our portfolio to maximize value. And I think if you took -- if you look at these results, you can see the benefits of that portfolio approach in the balance of success we are having in our core markets. We are investing in our fleet, our cabins, the service delivered by our people, both onboard and elsewhere and in our digital offerings. We have historically improved efficiency at all our airlines and our transformation program is designed to do exactly that over the next few years. And finally, we recognize that our sustainability agenda is essential to the future of the business. The result of all this is that we are very focused on driving long-term sustainable value for our shareholders. One of the major drivers of long-term success is the leadership positions that we have in our hubs and major markets. And we continue to invest to ensure that our market positions are strengthened. On the North Atlantic, from London, British Airways is now flying the equivalent capacity of its prepandemic schedule. However, the market dynamics are slightly different as we have less premium capacity than we flew before due to the retirement of the 747 fleet. So we are focused on that market as we restore our fleet capacity, which will drive an increase in business class seats with an associated revenue benefit. Aer Lingus has a strong position in Dublin, particularly addressing its core U.S. market balancing efficiency with an attractive and value-oriented products, and they are expanding their network to places like Cleveland and Hartford. On the South Atlantic, this is a slightly different market to the North Atlantic, where we fit the Madrid hub and compete with other carrier groups from across Europe. Iberia is focused on building its market share, such as adding frequencies to destinations like Bogota and Mexico City. And finally, Vueling and LEVEL contribute both to our strong leadership position in Barcelona, but also through LEVEL to the North and South Atlantic proposition. We are currently investing a lot in our fleet, which drives better customer product, is more efficient and is more reliable. On the left, you can see that we have now mostly restored our narrowbody fleet to prepandemic level with a few more to come still at British Airways. And on the right, you can see that both British Airways and Iberia are still recovering their widebody fleet after the retirement of their all and inefficient 747 and 340 fleet, respectively. Our announcement last night means that we can accelerate that recovery process with BA's firm order for 6 787s and the addition of 1 A350 to Iberia. It is worth noting that this year, Iberia has been delivering a large part of its long-haul growth through greater utilization as Vueling has done in short-haul. And in the boxes above each chart, you will see that over 40% of both narrowbody and widebody are more efficient new generation aircraft, which is over 240 aircraft. At this point, we are also recognizing that for many of our customers, we would like to improve our operational performance. It's not helping that the European aviation environment is extremely difficult. Weather-related cancellations have increased by over 200% on 2022 at BA in the first half. The Ukraine conflict has cut EU airspace by 20%, which has a knock-on impact in other parts of European airspace. And we have also seen sustained amounts of industrial actions, ATC strikes in France, Italy and Germany as well as strikes earlier this year by some Heathrow staff. Iberia continue -- continues to be one of the world's most punctual airlines and Vueling is proving very resilient. On-time performance at both BA and Aer Lingus have suffered. The situation compared to last year is different. At BA, the core operation is more stable with significant recruitment being the biggest part. The main focus this summer has been on recruitment, managing the supply chain and the use of well-leased aircraft in both long-haul and short-haul fleet. Elsewhere across the network, we have a number of initiatives that are focused on delivering a resilient operation this summer. Aer Lingus have focused on removing bottlenecks, such as checking and for U.S. connections. At Vueling, it has mostly been about using data and systems to have a more joined-up approach between planning and on the day delivery. So they are Europe's second most punctual low-cost carrier despite their significant exposure of French ATC. And at Iberia, one of the most punctual airlines in the world, they are looking to improve even on this performance with investment in additional resources. We believe that this as well as a large number of other initiatives will deliver better performance for our customers. As well as in our fleet and operations, we are continuing to invest in the customer proposition for all points of the customer journey. Part of that is to ensure that our premium products are attractive and support the demand from both leisure and business travelers in the future. Both British Airways and Iberia are implementing new business suite products with 55% of BA's Heathrow-based long-haul fleet now embodied with a new product. BA is also enhancing and developing its lounges and lounge products such as the new JFK Terminal 8 lounges, but also at Heathrow Terminal 3, [ Newark ] and Chicago. And all of our network airlines are investing in an enhanced food offering for both premium passengers and also economy passengers. We continue to invest in IT and digital and our major investments in moving systems into the cloud is continuing. From a customer perspective -- from a customer service perspective, sorry, we are rolling out digital capabilities such as live chat, baggage tracking, customer pre-flight messaging and online menus. And we are investing in our customer service with a new bigger call center that is equipped with a new CRM and better telephony systems. Our Loyalty business continues to do well as a high-growth, capital-light and cash-generative part of the Group. We continually innovate to create ways for customers to engage with Avios. And in particular, we do this as we invest in our proprietary technology. On the collection side, we are working on both the airline and non-airline sites, such as through airline and financial service partners. We are also making it more attractive for our members to redeem their points. British Airways has now released Avios-only reward flights to 7 popular destinations. And we are also seeing growth in redemption at BA Holidays with around 20% of bookings now using Avios to save money. And moving on to our people. They remain core to our business. In the first half of the year, we have recruited 7,000 people across the Group. We are also investing to ensure we have a good supply of pilots into the future with cadet schemes at both Iberia and British Airways. We are targeting better diversity at senior levels of our organization. Most importantly, we are in the middle of negotiations with a number of our employee groups, and we hope to agree this over the next few months to the satisfactions of all parties. We are working towards ensuring that we can reach long-term sustainable agreements that allow us to be competitive with other airlines and to be able to invest in the business for the future. And finally, sustainability continues to be a long-term part of our strategy. Firstly, it is important to say that IAG has a positive impact in the economies where it operates. We ask PwC to assess this based on 2019 data. The results show the important contribution IAG is making in the U.K. and Europe, the job it is supporting and the way it supports tourism. This amounts to a direct and indirect contribution of EUR 70 billion in GDP and supporting more than 600,000 jobs. During the first half of the year, we continue to make progress on some of our key sustainability initiatives. We are actively advocating for policies to support the production of sustainable aviation fuel, including with the design of the SAF mandates and supporting supply incentives. We continue to work towards our target of using 10% SAF by 2030, securing more supplies of SAF such as the investment we announced earlier this week with Nova Pangaea in the U.K. And don't forget the investment in fleet we talked about earlier, where the latest generation aircraft are around 20% more fuel-efficient than previously. And the modern widebodies that we are currently receiving are up to 40% more efficient than the 747s and 340s they are replacing. So to summarize, this has been a good start to the year, delivering a record first half profit. We are looking forward to delivering another strong quarter in the summer, which is now almost 80% booked and finishing the year positively. And we will continue to invest in our Group-wide transformation program that is creating a more efficient business and opening up additional revenue streams. As a result of the good financial performance, we expect to generate sustainable free cash flow this year and to continue to deliver year-on-year. And looking beyond 2023, we are convinced that IAG's unique business model and attractive markets can deliver sustainable benefits for all stakeholders in the long-term. And now we are ready for your questions.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Thank you. We will now take the first question. And the first question comes from the line of Stephen Furlong from Davy.

Stephen Furlong

analyst
#6

Okay. Maybe 2 questions, please. Can I ask about sustainability and the excellent efforts you're doing there. My understanding is that if CORSIA isn't kind of further developed another more countries are -- become part of it, then there's a provision for -- in the EU for ETS, long-haul to fall into ETS in 2027 onwards. And I'm just wondering what you think about and you -- are you worried about that, that long-haul will have to pay more allowances? That's the first question. And then kind of a particular one on Gatwick. I'm just maybe -- my understanding is in Gatwick, BA wants to expand and the slots that it gave back in the pandemic, whether in-house to Vueling or to easyJet. Maybe you can just talk about what are the plans there for the slots that you gave back? That would be great.

Luis Martín

executive
#7

Yes. As you said, we are pushing to have CORSIA as the solution -- the global solution that we need in aviation. And in parallel, we have the ETS rules that are going to apply to the intra-European flights. So you know that the allowances are going to be reduced. We are pushing that this ETS scheme can in some way help the production of SAF that as you know, we have a short base and the SAF that we have is very expensive. So SAF is the only sustainable solution for long-haul flights. We have commitments of $865 million in order to comply with our commitment of 10% sustainable aviation fuel by 2030. So in U.K., what we are asking the government is to have a mechanism to stabilize the price in order to guarantee the investment in the plants that are needed to have this 10% of SAF. So we are going to continue leading this transition to a sustainable aviation and trying to change the policy that we have in Europe and U.K., more oriented to the seat, to the [indiscernible] that they are using in the states and is helping more to the development of the industry. About the second question about Gatwick, maybe Sean, you can answer about that.

Sean Doyle

executive
#8

Yes. Stephen, yes, on Gatwick, Euroflyer is now up and running, obviously, at a fairly significant scale. We have set up a separate airline operating certificate, and we're operating about 18 aircraft there this summer. Our plan would be to get that up to about 26. And we do have arrangements to take slots back from people we have leased them out to particularly easyJet over the coming years to enable that. That's in the headroom and capacity for Vueling current operation, which again has increased and it's performing very well.

Operator

operator
#9

We will now take the next question. It comes from the line of Savi Syth from Raymond James.

Savanthi Syth

analyst
#10

If I mind, just if you could provide a little bit more color on business and premium demand trends? I know you mentioned it, but basically, essentially a business, just where is it trending relative to the past? And the second question that's tied to that then is just I know your plan as you kind of thought about this kind of coming out of COVID was that business kind of recovers to maybe 85%, and we've kind of definitely been surprised at how strong premium leisure has been. What are the implications for earnings seasonality going forward, like on a long-term basis or do you kind of expect it to be pretty similar to kind of prepandemic?

Luis Martín

executive
#11

Okay. So corporate traffic is recovering more slowly than we thought at the beginning of the year. It's true that business travel is recovering at different rates across our airlines and the different regions. We see a correlation between business travel and people returning to the office. So for example, our Spanish airlines are seeing a stronger recovery in business travel, if you compare it with British Airways or Aer Lingus. It's true that the summer period is not a big period for business travel. And the recent trends show that BA revenue was around 69% and volumes remain around 60%, 61% of 2019 levels. Iberia, they see something different. Revenues closer to 95% and volumes of 82%. We see also a difference in the rate of recovery between the different types of business trips. For example, long-haul business trips, over 2 days trips have been recovering faster than the recovery of our short-haul day trips. And if we look specifically to British Airways, for example, so since the end of COVID, business volume has recovered each quarter. In the period -- from the second quarter of 2022 to the first quarter of 2023, the average increase in volume comparing with 2019 was 10% per quarter. But from second quarter of 2023, we didn't see any recovery. The volumes are plateaued at 61%. It's true that the volume of flight cancellations don't help, but we see that things are not improving recently. But we are more optimistic about the future because for the third quarter, BA is forecasting to reach 68% of corporate traffic if we compare with 2019. And that's a 7-point improvement if we compare with Q2, mainly it's going to be due to less disruption. Also, we need to take into consideration, and in 2019, we had a strike, but it's important also the underlying growth. When we look, for example, at September, bookings are coming -- business bookings are coming well and are ahead of the expectations that we have. So as you can see, things are coming back, are coming back slowly. Are we going to reach the 85% that we set? We think we are going to come back there, but it's going to take more time than we thought originally.

Savanthi Syth

analyst
#12

That's super helpful. And just on the kind of the earnings seasonality thoughts there that I mean, if it even does have an impact?

Luis Martín

executive
#13

Yes. In the Group, we have different airlines, seasonality is different in the different airlines. For example, we see now that this slow recovery of corporate traffic is having a bigger impact, for example, in Aer Lingus and now we have a more seasonal airline. But in the case of British Airways or Iberia, we don't see that this is affecting to the seasonality of the company.

Operator

operator
#14

We will now take the next question from the line of Jarrod Castle from UBS.

Jarrod Castle

analyst
#15

Just a question. You say that summer is 80% booked. Do you think that's the right number or are you missing out on potential yield uplift for close-in bookings? And then just related to pricing, there's obviously been some comments from U.S. airlines on pricing weakness, maybe it's U.S. airline specific or [ those ] airline specific. Do you think some of that will come Europe's way, I guess, in the future? And then just lastly, new Heathrow's CEO starts, I think at the beginning of October. So I guess what would be on your hit list in terms of things you'd want done differently at Heathrow or things reinforced and I guess, just the health of that relationship at the moment and going forward?

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#16

Yes, just in terms of the 80% book for the summer, I think we're looking at the right number there. It's slightly ahead of where we were a year ago in terms of booking trends, and I think you'd expect that kind of a slightly mix -- big mix of leisure that we're seeing. So I think -- and, of course, during the summer period, you have a much less dependent on corporate travel. So I think at the moment, you're seeing actually those short-term bookings are being filled by leisure at the moment. So we feel quite comfortable. And as we said earlier, we're not seeing any signs of weakness and a similar sort of trend in yield that we saw in Q2 as well across that as well. So...

Luis Martín

executive
#17

Okay. And about the question about Heathrow. I think we welcome the new CEO. I'm, for sure, we are going to try to continue improving the relationship with the airport, at the end, it's going to be beneficial for the customers. And I'm sure that we will talk about a lot of things, but main topics, I'm sure will be the Heathrow charges that has been a battle and we continue with the battles because we are operating in one of the most expensive airport in the world that when you see the experience of the customer is not one of the best, to be polite. And also another topic is the electronic travel authorization that you know that we are talking about that now, and it's something that can be a big problem for the connecting traffic in Heathrow if we compare with other hubs in Europe. So I don't know, Sean, if you want to add any color.

Sean Doyle

executive
#18

I think that would be one thing we'd work with Heathrow to have alleviated, because I think having an ETA for clients and customers doesn't make sense. And we need to work together on that. But as Luis said, I think we need efficient and very much improved infrastructure and delivery for customers. And we need to make sure that the charges sustain a competitive position for Heathrow. And we'd work with Thomas in the same way that we've worked with the previous regime on delivering that.

Luis Martín

executive
#19

And I think you asked also about the weakness in general in the unit revenue. And as we said before, we don't see that. I think we are -- we see for the third quarter a similar trend that we had in the second quarter, and unit revenue increase compared to the 2019 similar to the one we had in the second quarter. It's true that we see a decrease in the last quarter, but it's not linked to any weakness. It's linked more to the normal seasonality effect.

Operator

operator
#20

We will now take the next question from the line of Jaime Rowbotham from Deutsche Bank.

Jaime Rowbotham

analyst
#21

2 from me. I was going to ask about Q3 yields, but you just covered that. So instead, just looking at Slide 20, big difference in on-time performance between BA and Iberia. I think that probably has a lot to do with Heathrow, which you just talked about a bit, the differences there versus Madrid. But maybe you could just expand a bit on what you can do to improve on-time performance further at British Airways? And then the second question relates to IAG as a platform for consolidation. Just wanted to get a sense of how ambitious you're feeling in the current environment. Obviously, Air Europa has agreed subject to antitrust. I think the Portuguese government said a process for TAP will take place before October. And presumably, there are other lower profile opportunities around Europe. So how great is IAG's appetite in this current phase of industry consolidation, please?

Luis Martín

executive
#22

Okay. Starting with the [ OTP ], it's true that we have 2 different behaviors in British Airways, Aer Lingus and Iberia and Vueling. I think the environment that we are operating in Europe is very difficult this summer. As I said before, we have air strikes, ATC problems, ground handling. We have less airspace as a consequence of the situation, the Russian invasion of Ukraine. We are having problems with weather, including thunderstorms, high winds, et cetera. And we are having issues that in all the industries, supply chain issues. British Airways and Aer Lingus are particularly impacted. It's true that we are managing better the situation in Spain. I think in the case of Iberia, it's a process that started a long time ago. And they changed the company to become one of the most punctual airlines in the world. And they are managing better the situation. It's true also that during the COVID, in Iberia, it was possible to maintain all the employment. So they have the people that they had before, they have the right skills. And in the case, for example, of BA, they have hired a lot of new people for this summer. And you always need a period in order to improve the performance. But in any case, when we look at, for example, at the number of cancellations in BA this summer, and we compare with the last year, the late cancellations have been reduced 40% flying, 20% more flights. So our ambition is to improve punctuality in Heathrow, in Gatwick, in Dublin. But it's true that the environment is not helping, but we know how to do it, because as you said, we are having very good operation in other airlines of the Group. And about the platform for consolidation, yes, we continue -- we created IAG as a platform in order to consolidate the European aviation because we think is needed. For that reason, new companies joined the Group in the past, and we always are looking to opportunities to develop the Group. So in the case of Air Europa, it's something that we closed in November 2019. And we are -- even with COVID in the middle, we continue trying to do this operation that is critical for the development of Madrid hub that we have seen in these results is a hub that is growing. And I'm sure it's going to be a big support for the Group in the future. So that operation, we are still in the pre-notification phase with the European Commission, and we are in the process now of submitting the information. And we are talking with potential partners for remedies. And we are working, trying to demonstrate the consumer benefits that are going to come with this operation, and also trying to show that Madrid needs a hub to compete with the bigger hubs in Europe. And that the European airlines, we need to have the size to compete also in a global world, where you have the U.S. carriers that are -- yes, they have concentrated their market or you need to operate to compete with Chinese carriers, Gulf carriers, et cetera. And [ TAP ], as you said, is something that we are analyzing, but we need to wait until the privatization process will start, probably in October. And at that point, we will determine if it's something interesting for the Group or not.

Operator

operator
#23

We will now take the next question from the line of James Hollins from BNP Paribas.

James Hollins

analyst
#24

Yes. 2 for me, please. One on pilots, the other on British Airways. So on the pilots, I guess, for Nicholas, I was wondering in your cost guidance, what you're assuming on BA, Aer Lingus, Vueling wage increases? And any more detail on where we are on those negotiations? And perhaps while we're on pilots, whether the Iberia pilots are agitating for a pay increase despite them having a long-term deal? And then for Sean, I read a very interesting article in The Sunday Times about, for an interview with yourself. Turning on this platform, you might discuss a little bit more detail on some of those issues you were talking about British Airways, whether it's staff morale, some of the costs required to improve the business back end, front end, et cetera, a key focus. I'd just love to get a bit more on this platform from you, Sean.

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#25

So, James, just starting on pilots. We're -- as you know, we've agreed for the next 3 years with Iberia, our CBA. So that's in a good place overall. And you can see with the operating -- the company is operating incredibly well at the moment as well. This is the season where we're in negotiations with most of our other airlines at the moment with our pilots and our cabin crew as well. So I think right now, it would be kind of inappropriate for me to kind of comment specifically on any of those deals as well. But we're going to be expecting a robust flying pattern over the summer holiday. So really, the guidance I'm going to kind of refer you to is the guidance that we've given you before, which is kind of, we think overall, both employee and our supplier costs and our ownership costs, we're down about 6% to 10% year-on-year overall. So I think that's as far as I can go on that overall.

Sean Doyle

executive
#26

In relation to BA, yes, I think we are kind of midway through transforming the company. And I think there's a lot of progress being made. But maybe if I kind of structure this in 4 key components. I suppose the first thing is leadership and the kind of people we have driving the transformation. And we have brought in, I think a lot of very, very strong leaders to really accelerate the pace of improvement in the business. And more recently, we have a new Director at Heathrow, Tom Moran, who's joined from Thameslink. And he's a very, very impressive and experienced professional who I think will really help with the Heathrow challenges that Luis has spoken about. I think secondly, is resourcing. We've made significant progress on rebuilding the resources in the company. We've added 3,000 people alone in the first half in advance of this summer. And we've covered about 13,000 more people since the start of the end of the pandemic. So the resources we're getting there. You mentioned morale. I think we are seeing significant improvements in employee engagement. We're putting a lot of work into making sure that people have the right skills, the right training and the right tools to do the job of the day and make sure really that we support all of our frontline operational people in looking after our customers, and that's trending very much in the right direction. If we look at investments, we have, as Luis mentioned, significant fleet deliveries coming. And the great news is they all come with new products. The Club Suite is very, very well received. I think it's in the top 4 business class experiences globally. And we now have 55% of our Heathrow fleet has the Club Suite. That will rise to 63% by year-end, and we start reconfiguring the 787-8s and 9s next year. So I think the hard product will work, and that's going very well. We've also put significant investment into our contact centers. We've had a new site in [ Delhi ], a new site in Bucharest and a new site in Kuala Lumpur. We've increased our call handling capability by about 30% year-on-year. And finally, it's putting in some foundations on tech and experience. And a lot of work going in to migrate out of our data centers into the cloud, we'll be complete with that next year, and we're redeveloping ba.com and looking to transform the digital experience. And again, we have a new leadership team leading that program in British Airways. So there's a lot of foundations going in, a lot of progress being made and very exciting developments that will begin to impact the business positively in the next 12 months or so.

Operator

operator
#27

And the next question comes from the line of Guilherme Sampaio from CaixaBank BPI.

Guilherme Sampaio

analyst
#28

2, if I may. The first one, coming back to bookings, again, if you could provide some view on how our bookings performing across your key geographies? And if you could provide some granularity on gross bookings and cancellations? And the second question, if you could update us where your NDC volumes are at the moment? And to what extent these are being channeled through the [ GDS ]?

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#29

So just for bookings, I mean, we won't go into individual geographies overall. And I think we've already said that we've seen the kind of continuation of Q3. There's been similar trends of Q2 with kind of no weaknesses in there. And we've seen our -- particularly in our core markets of North America, South Atlantic and across Europe continues to be strong. All leisure destinations, again, continue to be kind of holding up very well. So it's the only area where we're kind of cut on capacity rather than bookings at the moment is flying East. And that's just because we don't have the number of planes flying across to the same number of destinations, the same number of frequencies that we had in the Far East at the moment. And that will take us a couple of years to get back up to that sort of level of capacity. So I think that's where it is on that in bookings. Next question was on kind of cancellations overall, which you'll see, I think if you look at cancellations overall over the last kind of this year versus last year, actually, you'll see the kind of level of cancellations overall is down. We're still higher than we would like it to be, of course, but we're still kind of focusing on making sure they kind of come -- continue to kind of come down a little bit. There was another question as well, which I missed actually.

Guilherme Sampaio

analyst
#30

On NDC, if you could update us where are your volumes right now in terms of the overall volumes? And to what extent these volumes have been channeled through the GDS?

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#31

I don't think we disclose the actual levels of [ NDS ] that we do kind of specifically overall, but it's an kind of increasing share of our business overall. And pleased with how that's kind of going at the moment.

Luis Martín

executive
#32

Direct.

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#33

Yes. The direct side has continued to grow as a proportion of our business, both for leisure and for corporate.

Operator

operator
#34

We will now take the next question from the line of Harry Gowers from JPMorgan.

Harry Gowers

analyst
#35

2 questions, if I can. So the first one is disruption. There's been, I guess, increased noise around potential disruption in the last few weeks, especially in places like Gatwick. So how confident are you, you can complete your Q3 capacity without large delays or last-minute cancellations? Are you relatively confident in the system in general or your major airports? And then just second one, just going back to the corporate travel point because it sounds like you think the slower recovery versus expectations this year is probably more cyclical in nature rather than a higher structural impact. So is that the case? Because it sounds like structurally, you still expect those corporate volumes to get back to around 85% of 2019 levels?

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#36

Yes. So I'll just start on the corporate one. I'm not sure about cyclic -- I'm not sure about cyclical overall. I think in some sectors, you've seen it probably a bit more cyclical. I think kind of you've seen in the finance sector has been the beginning of the year was a bit subdued, probably level of kind of transactions that were going on, actually, but we've seen that kind of recover a bit lately overall. So I think it's just a steady growth back. It's particularly correlated to kind of when people are working from home and as they're coming back into the office as well. So you've seen Spain recover almost back to 100%. And if you go back to offices in Spain, they're back to almost [ 100% ], where if you go to Ireland, it's still kind of Mondays and Fridays are pretty work from home. So that's -- it's kind of correlating with that at the moment. And you'll see in the U.K., as you work from home is going to continue to -- work from office is continuing to improve. And so it's going to be improving with that base as well. And as we said, we're starting to see Q4 very early, but we're starting to see kind of encouraging signs from bookings on the corporate travel.

Sean Doyle

executive
#37

Just on the disruption in the U.K. airports. We're in the 29th of July, so we're in peak summer. And we've already been in peak summer as well in June, which is a very big period for North Atlantic. So I think July, we've seen improved reductions in disruption compared to June, and we expect that to carry on as we head into August. I think Gatwick, our operation is obviously smaller than some other operators out there. And I think we're not seeing the level of disruption for the BA operation than Gatwick, as you may see overall at the airport, but that has some specific challenges in relation to air traffic control capacity that we monitor closely. At Heathrow, as we said earlier, I think our resourcing picture is much better. We obviously are vulnerable to the external environment and the airports we do fly to the Northern Europe as well are seeing similar levels of challenge. But we are focusing on the things we can control, particularly supply chain, technical resilience and resourcing. And we do see them be stable and getting better as we look into August.

Operator

operator
#38

We will now take the next question from the line of Andrew Lobbenberg from Barclays.

Andrew Lobbenberg

analyst
#39

Can I ask, let's just say at Gatwick and inquire what your attitude is towards the ambitions of the airport to get their second runway there? Then can I have a couple on the North Atlantic, please? Obviously, there's great demand and your product is great. But part of the thing that's helpful is that Norse is a great deal smaller than Norwegian was before the pandemic. But next year, Norse is expecting to take [ 5 78s ] back from Air Europa. And meanwhile, we've got the valiant people at Global Airlines expecting to put 4 A380s from the North Atlantic from Gatwick. What do you think about the ambitions of these disruptors? And the final one on the North Atlantic is how do you see the development at American as a partner, as a feed provider for you in the Northeast U.S., given that the partnership with JetBlue has fallen down?

Luis Martín

executive
#40

Okay. So if I start with the North Atlantic situation, 75% of the market now in North Atlantic is between the 3 joint businesses that we have. And if we look at the traffic between Europe and U.S., in the second quarter, the capacity was minus 2% versus 2019, in the third quarter, it's going to be plus 1% versus 2019. So the traffic even with the exit of Norwegian has recovered the situation. It's true that when we look at the -- specifically to the London Heathrow U.S. market, the situation is that -- is that in the second quarter, we have 11% more capacity than we had in 2019. And in the third quarter, we are going to have 13% more capacity. And it's true that what is happening is part of the traffic from Gatwick is going to Heathrow. So when you see London considering together Heathrow and Gatwick, we have in the second quarter, minus 1% of capacity, and in the third quarter, we expect plus 4% of capacity. So the traffic capacity is actually less than the other [indiscernible] we are replacing, and then we have the same capacity that we had in 2019. The situation is different, for example, in Spain, where the traffic in Spain, U.S. in the second quarter was minus 13%, and in the third quarter, it's going to be similar, going to be minus 14%. So in this environment, we have also British Airways that they have less premium seats that they had in 2019 because of the retirement of the 747, and we have other competitors that they are adding more premium seats. But when we see the situation with British Airways plus American Airlines, we are slightly above the market share that we have in 2019. So that's the situation that we have in the market. Talking about American and JetBlue, we are sure that we can continue working with American and trying to develop the network without this agreement between American and JetBlue. I don't know if you want, Sean, to add something.

Sean Doyle

executive
#41

Yes. I think the Northeast is an important market for us. But Andrew, being a hub carrier based Heathrow and having hubs at Madrid, we can drive an awful lot of traffic behind our gateways and feed it into terminating traffic in places like Boston and New York. So we've never really built our model on a huge amounts behind feeding those markets. But I think American does give us a really strong frequent flyer presence, and it gives us good feed over Philadelphia as the Northeast Gateway as well as connections over Chicago and Dallas and the Southwest.

Andrew Lobbenberg

analyst
#42

Yes. [ Wait a second. Oh my God. ]

Sean Doyle

executive
#43

Yes, I think that we've seen Gatwick obviously launch their plants and they're seeking DCO. We'll evaluate that closely. I think 2 or 3 considerations will come into play. One will be cost, and I think they're making a pitch that it is a very cost-efficient form of airport expansion. I think secondly, it would be wider community impact. And again, I think the numbers and community impact look very manageable in terms of noise envelope. So we'll evaluate it. Gatwick is an important gateway for us. And I think the case is one which I'm not surprised they've made and could give us opportunities in the future.

Operator

operator
#44

We will now take the next question from the line of Neil Glynn from AIR Control Tower.

Neil Glynn

analyst
#45

If I could ask 3 quick ones, please. The first one, following on from some of the comments on staffing and resourcing. And the headcount in the first half of the year was actually higher than prepandemic while capacity was obviously a little bit lower. So just interested on the outlook for the future there and how you think about productivity on the labor cost side going into 2024, notwithstanding obvious negotiations, of course? Second question on Iberia, a very impressive performance, of course. Could you give us a bit of detail in terms of the strength of flows from Europe versus LatAm originating, which may be helping their long-haul business? And to what extent is the capacity deficit on Europe, LatAm crucial to Iberia's current performance? And then the final question, unless I missed it, I don't think you've confirmed a Capital Markets Day date yet. If that is the case, could you update us on your thinking as to when it might be appropriate?

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#46

So just on the Capital Market Day, well, yes, we're still focused on that. Yes, but we're just going to make sure we get through it. We're just focusing on delivering a successful summer first, and then we'll come back and announce that as soon as we get out of the summer, I hope.

Luis Martín

executive
#47

Okay. Talking about the hiring and productivity, your first question. So across the Group, we recruited the last year, 17,000 people. And this year, we are in the range of 7,000 people. We have enough people to support the operation. As I said, the problem that we are having is more a problem linked to the difficult environment we are operating. Of the 7,000 people that we have hired in 2023, 4,000 people were in BA and 1,800 people in Iberia. So it's critical what you said that we need to increase our productivity in this environment of higher cost because of the inflation we are having, and that's what we are trying to close in the different agreements that we are negotiating right now. The best way to reduce the cost for sure is productivity and also utilization of the aircraft. And that's something that, for example, you were asking about the performance of Iberia. They are doing very well. With less aircraft that they have in 2019, they are increasing the utilization. And because of that, they are managing very well the cost. In a similar way, Vueling, they are doing that in the short-haul. I don't know, Fernando, do you want to comment something about the question about the traffic in Iberia?

Fernando Candela

executive
#48

The recovery in the Latin America market has been driven basically because the ramp-up in the capacity in Iberia has been stronger than our competitors in the last month, in the last year. So the capacity is 98% versus [ 2019 ], significantly ahead of our competitors that are about [ 60%, 70% ]. So that's one of the reasons because we have recovery and performing very well in Latin America market.

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#49

Yes. I think you've seen actually the EU capacity actually is the one that's kind of suffered overall. EU to South America, actually, the trip to South America has remained fairly strong actually. Yes. And we're seeing particularly strong bookings coming from Latin America and from North America at the moment into Iberia and into British Airways.

Luis Martín

executive
#50

And also one thing that is helping Iberia in the results apart, they are doing a very good job. The customer base is more exposed to the VFR traffic and to the leisure segment. Madrid and Spain, they are -- or they have increased the practice for other countries. So we have more than 50% more luxury hotel rooms in Madrid if we compare with the situation we had 10 years ago, that's helping. We have a lot of people that they are coming to Madrid to live. And that's something that is increasing also the premium leisure traffic that was not very strong before.

Operator

operator
#51

We will now take the next question from the line of Conor Dwyer from Morgan Stanley.

Conor Dwyer

analyst
#52

So it sounds like visibility is reasonably good for the rest of the year and certainly better than...

Luis Martín

executive
#53

Conor, we can't hear you. You sound like you're under water.

Conor Dwyer

analyst
#54

Okay. Is that any better?

Luis Martín

executive
#55

That's better. That's better.

Conor Dwyer

analyst
#56

Okay. Continue to talk loudly. So it sounds like visibility is reasonably good for the rest of the year and certainly better than earlier when you initially gave an EBIT guided range. So I'm interested to hear your thoughts on why not giving an explicit guidance range now. Is it maybe perhaps elevated recession concerns through the winter? Any information that would be very useful. And the second question is more for Sean. So the steps you talked about that were helpful in terms of BA turnaround. But I was wondering if you could elaborate on development for the BA app in terms of the customer experience? So what sort of changes should we expect there? And any sense of timing on that?

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#57

Yes, you're right. We've got good visibility into Q3 at the moment with 80% booked. So we've got less visibility into Q4 than into Q3. But actually still, as we said, it's looking promising so far with no signs of weakness overall. I guess just in terms of guidance overall, we're keen to kind of get people focused on kind of the medium to longer term on our performance overall, delivering good returns and good margins over that period and less on the kind of short-term performance overall. I mean I think we've given good outlook in terms of consensus, it's just under [ EUR 3 billion ] at the moment. And those have come out more recently around about [ EUR 3 billion ] or a little bit higher. We've had a good Q2. And I think we've kind of shown you hopefully that there's Q3 bookings and good Q4 bookings with no signs of weakness. And we've given you good kind of hopefully good cost guidance as well at the moment. So I think we've given you, hopefully, all the components to help kind of for you to make your own judgments on the back of that.

Sean Doyle

executive
#58

Yes. In relation to the [ BAF ], we've built up a team of about 200 tech developers headed up by a guy called Mark Lock. Mark has joined us from Tesco. So we're aiming to launch what I would call a minimum viable product prototype towards the end of the year and probably trial that on one of our short-haul businesses potentially at Gatwick. But we will be looking to transform how we merchandise in retail and move to more shopping basket capabilities. We'd also like to incorporate dynamic pricing far more effectively than we do today. Also make sure that the digital experience is very similar and gives you the same booking flow and product experience, no matter what channel you book through, whether it's through [.com ], Mweb, Mobile app or even using a contact center, the same offering and the same product is offered up to you. We also want to integrate 2 very important components. One would be ancillaries, so that they are available in terms of upselling. And secondly, loyalty of the currency to make sure that that's far more easily convertible in the booking flow than it is today. So it's very exciting. I think we're midway through the development phase and towards the end of the year, we'll be able to share more about what we are doing in that space.

Operator

operator
#59

We will now take the next question from the line of [ Tobias ] from Bernstein.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#60

Tobias from Bernstein here. 2 for me, please. The first is on [ Air Europa ]. I appreciate you've answered it to a little extent. But maybe could you shed some color around what would be possible remedies from the purchase of Air Europa? And also, do you have any steer on annual profit expectations? And then secondly, the departing London Heathrow CEO recently said that, first of all, corporate travelers are now accounting for the 30% of traffic, down 4 percentage points versus prepandemic. But he also said that there might be a softening in leisure demand going into H2 2023. Does this match your expectations?

Luis Martín

executive
#61

Okay. So I'll answer the first one about Air Europa and maybe Sean, you can comment about the second one. So Air Europa, as I said before, we are still in the pre-notification phase. We are engaging with potential partners. The first time we tried to do this operation, we presented some partners. We had some challenge about that. So now we are trying to identify more partners that can be satisfactory for the European competition authorities. But at this time, we are not disclosing who they are. But I think, as I said before, the most important part is to try to demonstrate that this operation is going to be good for the customer. It's going to be good for Madrid hub for developing the network and in order to compete in Europe and in the global world.

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#62

Sorry, we missed -- I missed the question on Heathrow. So you cut out a bit, sorry.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#63

Yes, yes. Sorry. No worries. So actually, it's the departing Heathrow CEO said that corporate travelers are down 4 percentage points versus pre-COVID in terms of overall traffic. And then secondly, he also said that there might be a softening in the leisure demand in H2 2023. And I was just wondering whether this is in line with your expectations as well?

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#64

Well, I think we've covered the corporate travel that we are seeing that down overall. So again, we say we -- it's been flat over the last quarter, but we do see some very early signs for Q4 that it's picking up a little bit, but we'll wait to see how that comes through in Q4 overall. And in leisure, we're not seeing that measures out there.

Luis Martín

executive
#65

No, I think in leisure, all the surveys and credit card spending reports so that consumers after the COVID are giving priority to holiday traffic over other areas of spend. So I think it's more important now after COVID taking annual vacation than it was before. The segment of visiting friends and relative, as I said before, in some markets is very, very resilient. It was even during the pandemic. To be honest, we see that the situation, for example, in U.K., the economic situation now is a little better. So employment levels in U.K. are high. And because of that, we don't see any -- and also because the recent developments in economy, we don't see any impact in the leisure traffic. In the Spanish and Irish economies, they are also in good shape. They have lower levels of inflation, if we compare -- if you compare higher GDP, if you compare with other countries. And I think also that in the case of British Airways, the demography that we have is different to other carriers. So I think we are more exposed to customers with high average income, and what we see is they are also less affected by mortgage rates that they are increasing. The demographic of the customer is also -- they are -- if we compare with other competitors, we have 15% of our customers are over [ 65 ]. And that customer profile is less impacted by the rising of mortgage costs, for example. So leisure intakes in British Airways are 115% in revenue and 93% in volume if we compare with 2019. The held position is -- remains strong. It's particularly strong in the short-haul intakes, where we have 121% in revenue versus 2019 and 100% -- around 100% in volume.

Sean Doyle

executive
#66

And also if you look at the BA customers, about 65% of them come from London or Southeast as well. So which tends to be a wealthy part of London and a good proportion come from the main wealthy parts of London as well. And no one is immune from a downturn, but I think we do feel that they should be protected more than most.

Operator

operator
#67

We will now take the next question from Muneeba Kayani from Bank of America.

Muneeba Kayani

analyst
#68

So my first question is just on your medium-term outlook. I think in the past, you've said that you expect margins to kind of be at the lower end of the 12% to 14% range you were doing prepandemic. But if I look at 2Q, you're actually 2 percentage points above 2Q of '19. So are you just being conservative? I heard you on some of the investments that are needed on the business. But if you could just revisit that range and how you're thinking about that and risks to upside downside? And then secondly, on your balance sheet. So leverage at 1.5x, net debt actually at similar levels to where you were at year-end 2019. So how are you thinking about dividends and/or share buybacks at this point?

Nicholas Cadbury

executive
#69

So just in terms of our -- in terms of medium targets, the company has operated at kind of 12% to 15% margins over a number of years before the kind of COVID hit. You're right, we had a very good margin in Q2. Q2 and Q3 tend to be our kind of highest margin periods and Q1, Q4, slightly softer and softer demand for travel globally on those areas. So we -- so it tends to dilute that over. So you can see our margins just below 10% for the first half overall. So we think kind of towards the bottom end of that is probably a good place to aim for. We think that kind of takes account of probably the higher inflation that we've had across the industry in that and actually also kind of making sure that we're investing in our customer and our IT, in particular, at a good pace as well. So that's the reason why we kind of going towards that end as well. In terms of our balance sheet, yes, we -- the good performance we've had in profit has really enabled us to deleverage our debt faster than we probably could have imagined a year ago, which is very good, very pleasing overall. You can see that the net debt, as you say, the net debt right now is similar to what it was in at the year-end in 2019. That's a bit kind of not quite looking at the same thing. It's not quite a bit deceptive that because you've got working capital movements, and you tend to have kind of a [ EUR 2 million ] adverse working capital movement in the second half of the year. So our net debt will go up from this level. But as we said, we think it will be lower than it was at the year-end. So we reduced net debt by about EUR 1.4 billion last year, and we think we'll get a good reduction again this year as well. So continue to be in that trend. I think our priority at the moment in terms of when you think about dividends and share buybacks, we're very focused on getting back to paying a dividend for our customers. But the near-term priority is, one is about continuing to pay down that debt. So we make sure we've got sustainable debt leverage within the investment grade. And the second thing that we've talked about is actually investing in our customer and particularly around about getting back to the same levels of fleet that we had in 2019, and we've talked about EUR 4 billion of kind of capital spend over the next few years to get to that as well. So they are the kind of key priorities that I think our shareholders will want to do as well. What the debt delevering does though, it does allow us to think about kind of dividend sooner as well. So well that comes high at the front of mind. But at the moment, our priority is about deleverage and those capital spends.

Operator

operator
#70

We will now take the last question from the line of Ruairi Cullinane from RBC Capital Markets.

Ruairi Cullinane

analyst
#71

Yes. I had a couple of questions on the unit revenue trends, which you show on Slide 14 of your presentation. And firstly, very strong performance in Europe since Ryanair particularly called out the bank holidays in the U.K. I was wondering if you had a particularly strong performance in the U.K. or in the month of May? And then secondly, Africa and the Middle East lagging in terms of year-on-year gross growth. Would you just attribute that to the above average capacity growth or anything else?

Sean Doyle

executive
#72

Yes. I think we did see an improvement in leisure unit revenue in May as a result of having the additional bank holiday, but that would have been consistent of what others were reporting. I think one of the things which is worth noting year-on-year in Africa, Middle East, we had kind of restored operation to those markets last year, and they have performed very, very well because of the scale of VFR traffic that they're exposed to. And I think we did see probably a quicker recovery last year at those markets compared to what you would have seen in the North Atlantic. But I think the unit revenue comparisons generally stack up well compared to the rest of the network. It's just that the baseline was better last year compared to this year.

Operator

operator
#73

Thank you. I would like now to hand back over the conference to CEO, Luis Gallego for final remarks.

Luis Martín

executive
#74

Thank you. Thank you very much, everybody. And I hope that you can have some rest this summer, and we'll see you after that. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Operator

operator
#75

That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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