Iron Mountain Incorporated (IRM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 12, 2021

New York Stock Exchange US Real Estate Specialized REITs conference_presentation 38 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Colby Synesael

analyst
#1

Okay. Good afternoon, good evening, depending on where you are. My name is Colby Synesael, I'm the Communications Infrastructure Analyst here at Cowen. Welcome to the virtual portion of our Communications Infrastructure Summit. For this presentation, we have Iron Mountain. And from Iron Mountain, we have Mark Kidd, who is the EVP and GM of the company's data center business. We have 40 minutes for this. I've prepared a bunch of questions, which will take us all the way through, and I hope you find it a value. So, Mark, thanks for being here. Appreciate it.

Mark Kidd

executive
#2

Awesome, Colby. Thank you so much for having us back.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#3

So I want to start out talking just about an overview of the broader Iron Mountain business. So kicking things off, as we know, Iron Mountain's data center business has been performing well throughout the pandemic. That said, how has Iron Mountain's legacy business been performing?

Mark Kidd

executive
#4

Sure. Yes. So a great question. Iron Mountain's business overall has been beating our own expectations over the last year and really kind of outperforming. You see really strong core growth, but equally really strong service rebounds and our new service lines, digital solutions, secure IT asset construction really strong growth sort of 20%, 30%. So overall, the business has been performing super well against this backdrop and has really nice tailwinds behind it.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#5

Well, that's great. And certainly, the stock seems to be reflecting the success of both that legacy business and the data center business. And it's good to see not one necessarily holding back the other in terms of how the stock itself is performing. Originally, Iron Mountain's entry into the data center business was predicated on leveraging its extensive enterprise customer base, which comprises over 225,000 customers in 95% of the Fortune 1000. That said, the business appears to have shifted toward hyperscale more so in the last few years. What's driven that pivot? And is there a targeted split between enterprise and hyperscale that you guys are looking to achieve?

Mark Kidd

executive
#6

Yes. So the way we think about it and the way we built the business is you're exactly right. We did enter on the back of the enterprise and the existing customer relationships we have. And so -- that was our day 1 thesis as we came into the market. And I think we've executed well to more of a retail-type business. There's fewer large deployments there. And as we look at the market dynamics, just that percentage of the market has shrunk over the last 3, 4, 5 years. And so you've really seen the market overall drive towards more hyperscale consumption, some markets going 60%, 70%, 80% in that direction. And so what we saw was sort of 2 things: one, an opportunity from a growth perspective to potentially capture that as part of the evolution and growth of our business in addition to what we were already executing on and really bring that same service mindset. But equally, somewhat defensively, we looked at the market and said, the marginal cost of construction operation is going to be set in any given market by hyperscale consumption. So there won't be really a way to just go after enterprise alone. And so thinking about those campus level economics and how it could really drive and create value, it made sense to extend the aperture. And I think we said, hey, what are you targeting for mix? I think we target in any given market, slightly less hyperscale business than it is in the market by itself. But it's obviously getting harder to do because the demand is so high that we find ourselves trying to reserve capacity for folks that aren't the big cloud and content providers sometimes, which can obviously lead to careful customer management.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#7

And so I certainly understand that the market is predominantly hyperscale and natural than if you're going to be in that business, that's where you're going to want to go. But obviously, we haven't given up by any stretch on the enterprise opportunity. But has that enterprise opportunity played out the way that it was anticipated as well? Or do you just see more of that demand effectively going to the cloud and then you're indirectly getting it by serving those hyperscalers?

Mark Kidd

executive
#8

So if you look at kind of the last few years, we've actually done a nice job ramping up our retail and enterprise sales efforts. And so if you actually look at just sales in that segment, it's been growing every year over the last few quarters of them doing pretty well in terms of revenue. Obviously, revenue will run ahead of bookings in kind of that colo megawatts in that in that colo enterprise segment. And so we definitely have seen good growth there. And so by no means that we shy away from it, it too has been growing. It's just that those larger deals have kind of jumped in there and taken up even more growth.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#9

Okay. And then just talking more about hyperscale. During the second quarter, Iron Mountain leased 3.6 megawatts, bringing its total first half '21 leasing to 12.6 megawatts. That said, you did sign another 6-megawatt deal in Northern Virginia subsequent to the quarter and driving an increase to your 2020 -- which drove an increase to your 2021 leasing target to plus 30 megawatts whereas it was previously, I think, 25 to 30 megawatts. Can you help us unpack the drivers that have contributed to the strong demand? And what gives you the confidence that will continue in terms of increasing that guidance is just based on what you've done even with that new deal it's not obviously enough to get you where you were intending to go for the year.

Mark Kidd

executive
#10

Yes. No, of course not. And I think we still have 4.5 months left in the year. And so I think even when we made that announcement, we subsequently announced another 2.4 megawatts a couple of days out for the quarter. I think we have good line of sight to what we're committing to and our ability to execute on that increased guidance. And so I'd just say that it's confidence with the pipeline that we've been managing and driving against. And so as I mentioned earlier, we have a good sense of sort of what we can drive on the retail colo side of the business each quarter. Megawatts aren't quite as high, but obviously at a much higher price point. And then the larger deals are a bit more lumpy, especially our size still. We just don't have that much inventory that can take big deals. And so as a result, I think we want to make sure we have pretty good line of sight to what's coming and how we can execute on that growth plan before we make commitments. So that's how we think about it.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#11

Okay. And I guess, what are some of the markets where Iron Mountain has seen strength? I know you've been very successful in Frankfurt, but maybe some other markets as well.

Mark Kidd

executive
#12

Yes, sure. So the places that we see a lot of demand in the U.S.. We are in really good position, our Manassas campus in Virginia has done well, continues to do well. We've seen good, really strong growth over the past 12 months in our Phoenix campus, a lot of customers continuing to expand and really drive that forward. Frankfurt, as you mentioned, we did well, and then we announced a new asset there. We haven't included that in our release in the guidance yet, but we see a lot of demand in the Frankfurt market. And then Singapore, like everybody else, we wish we had more capacity, another market that we opened and even sold out the entire facility even beyond where we kind of upgraded a bit to get even more in there, but sold out within a year. So I think those are the biggest drivers in terms of where we see momentum. But we haven't seen quite as much this year in London. But even the Boyers facility, obviously, is having a little bit more interest now as well, the underground facility.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#13

And in terms of the customers, does the mix shifted much? I mean, we all think of obviously the top 3 or 5. I'm guessing that they're the ones that are driving the majority of that hyperscale demand. But are you seeing the list augment further? Are you getting some wins that you never would have thought of necessarily somebody you'd be doing business with just 2 years ago, as an example?

Mark Kidd

executive
#14

Yes. So I don't know if we would say we never thought, we've been doing business with them, but we have been a little more mindful of the fact we've a pretty good global footprint, even though we don't have that many sites. We sort of checked the box into major regions. And so we have been a little more targeted around some of kind of the content-type providers who have more of a global demand and footprint, where we really were in a position to serve them a couple of years ago. So we're not talking top 5. Now we're kind of jumping down that list and saying, okay, maybe top 50 or top 100. And we've been trying to be really thoughtful about supplementing kind of our core enterprise book with those folks that see the value proposition in a global delivery model, kind of global contracting, that service mindset. So there are some new logos without a doubt coming in there.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#15

And you mentioned the global platform as a differentiator. I guess maybe just expand on that in terms of is that something that customers really do care about. They want to see you in multiple markets because they're looking to sign a deal in multiple markets and would prefer to work with 1 vendor. And I guess, what are some of the other differentiators that you guys are trying to make clear to your potential customers when trying to win a deal?

Mark Kidd

executive
#16

Sure. Yes. So I think when you look at markets, it kind of varies by segment in terms of how useful is the number of markets that you have. I think we've the largest consumers of data center capacity, it's more about building a deeper relationship and credibility to deliver on multiple locations. They're looking for simplicity. They're looking for speed and looking for lowest cost of execution. And so vendor complexity, number of vendors makes it more difficult. So if you can credibly show up to deliver consistently in multiple places, it makes their life easier. I think -- and that's really around kind of consistency. I think operational consistency and kind of service delivery and ticketing and portal and those types of things play much better when you get out of the sort of top 5 or 10. And so when we talk about that next tier, we do see a number of financial services, some of the content providers who really don't have a lot of staff around the world want a little more service type touch. And really being able to deliver that well from a services-oriented company, which was our kind of -- our -- was our bread and butter history. I think that's really where we come across. And both our customers and employees that come over into the business that have been in the industry a long time really acknowledge when they kind of tell me, "Hey, you realize how well you do this?" And I'm like, well, no, we're just kind of doing what Iron Mountain does. And so I think that service angle really does come to play. And that's -- like I said, it's a different kind of service, the really big providers we're looking for. That's more -- it's construction, consistent, is it fast? Like you're getting things done. So a bit of a different angle. And then I think in terms of differentiators, I think for, again, the non-hyperscale customers, our strong lean forward in things like Green Power Pass and being able to deliver green attributes has, I think, been very strong. It was great industry collaboration to get that done. And I think ultimately, between footprint, service level, green power focus, those are things that we usually lean out on in that segment. Green Power, the large providers are doing that themselves. Having said that, the environment of collaboration has significantly increased over the last 12 or 18 months. And so we do see opportunities to kind of work together in new ways that we had even a year ago.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#17

Very helpful. You mentioned earlier that the 2.4 megawatt deal in Boyers, Pennsylvania with a leading hyperscale enterprise software provider. Can you provide a little bit more color on Iron Mountain's unique facility in Boyers? I'm not sure too many investors actually appreciate the uniqueness of what you have going there.

Mark Kidd

executive
#18

Sure, yes. It's -- in many ways, it's strange because it's our oldest data center facility that we started out as an internal data center and then converted over the years to multi-tenant. And so what it is, is it's a data center in Western Pennsylvania in the U.S., it's 220 feet underground. We have some very interesting attributes where we're using underground like to do the cooling and very high efficiency. But given its remoteness and sort of the underground construction the limestone, what it does is it provides a very high-security location. And so the customers we see that are most interested in that type of deployment would be more like a very specialized financial services customers or potentially government groups that are looking for more protection and security. And so that's site is 200 acres underground just part of it is a data center.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#19

That's amazing.

Mark Kidd

executive
#20

Yes. It's an astounding location. So what you see is that's not going to be a hyperscale cloud location for sort of any end user. That's more of a collaboration about, okay, who is our customer serving as their customer and what's the right place for that to get set up. So very unique, very, very good location and serves the [ segments ] well.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#21

I was telling Greer. That's on my list of things to do is to tour that facility someday. That sounds really cool.

Mark Kidd

executive
#22

Everyone want's to go. it's like a Disneyland for adults. So...

Colby Synesael

analyst
#23

I should check it out. She said there's actually a lake down there as well, which is pretty relaxing.

Mark Kidd

executive
#24

Huge lake, and we use it for underground cooling. We use it for cooling. So we actually use that for heat rejection. That's right.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#25

Awesome. I wanted to shift over and talk more about supply in new markets. So as of the second quarter, Iron Mountain had completely leased its 7-megawatt facility in Singapore. Considering the government moratorium on new data centers, how are you guys looking to address the supply position -- your supply position in the market?

Mark Kidd

executive
#26

Yes. So Singapore, specifically related to Singapore, the way that we've approached it is the Singapore government is very clear that they're not going to lift restrictions until they have a clear pathway to meet their environmental commitments around the Paris Climate accordance. So the conversations we've had there have been open around what are the different energy solutions that they can work on, not just us working with them, but us working with them and working with many other partners to think about long-term transition type solutions to power. And once that becomes clear, I think many folks will get that opportunity to get more capacity. We, like everyone else, are trying to stay very close to it, we're very constructive in the dialogue and try to be creative in Pass where the country might be able to get energy -- green energy independence faster and sooner. And so that's really the angle we're playing, and we think that's what's going to open up the door sooner. I think as everyone hopes, we get earlier in line, but until it happens, you never know.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#27

And what about the opportunity going to adjacent markets, Malaysia, Indonesia?

Mark Kidd

executive
#28

Yes. So Indonesia, we view very much as its own market. I mean, I think a huge, huge population quickly coming online. I think behind India, we view that as probably the most interest -- one of the most interesting emerging markets in the world. The pacing development is super fast. And there are a lot of big tech Asian-based tech startups there. And so we don't view that as a substitute market. We definitely view that as its own market and have spent good time looking at it. I've had the opportunity to visit right before the pandemic. And so I think that's a market we'll continue to keep our eye on closely. There have been a number of new entrants over the last 12 months. And so definitely a place that we find strategically interesting and we think is good for our customers and our platform. I think Malaysia is -- I think it's interesting. I don't -- I know there is some hypothesis that, that sort of like an adjacent market to Singapore that might catch the demand. I think our view is a little bit of that, but probably not as much as maybe folks that had a year or 2 ago not to say there isn't some. We do think that there's some early signs that Malaysia has actually started to develop into its own proper data center market. And I think there's a number of interesting conversations going on about new entrants, new developments, new players and looking at kind of what the demand profile could be there. So I think it's a little bit earlier in its development cycle, but it's definitely got some momentum in terms of adjacent market energy over the last, I'd say, 6, 9 months, 12 months.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#29

Okay. And then recently, Iron Mountain agreed to acquire a new facility in Frankfurt off on the 27-megawatt lease that you guys did in Frankfurt, one. That has been since rolled into a JV. When is this transaction expected to close? And how much capacity will the new facility provide?

Mark Kidd

executive
#30

Sure. Yes. So the transaction is expected to close over the next couple of months as a standard waiting period in Germany with land transfers between parties. And so we're sitting in that waiting period at this point. So very soon, we're absolutely out talking to our customers marketing that facility at this point. But the way we think about it and look at that facility, it's a nice way to get back or get into the retail market in the business in the market in the Frankfurt. I mean, it only goes up sort of 10 to 12 megawatts. So it's good that it will help us catch some. It will help us get some people that are badged on the ground and start to develop some critical mass. But inevitably, it's going to require us to go get another parcel in Frankfurt to continue to go in that direction. We originally intended to have the first building as multi-tenant. An opportunity came along, which kind of changed direction there. And so we do really think Frankfurt is a really important market for us long term, and this will be a great asset. We've got a team, we'll get some customers going and continue to go from there.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#31

I'm going to go off script a little bit, but you made me think of something. I was talking in our international data center panel that we had earlier today, and one of the companies I was speaking to actually right after the call and it's not actually on the webcast. But he mentioned how one of the trends that they're seeing is that the hyperscalers, when they lease out these build-to-suit effectively the entire building, they're actually asking for the opportunity to buy it back. So they're wanting to include in the lease that after that initial period that they have the ability to buy it. And they noted that they're seeing that more in terms of requests. By the way, they're pushing back on it, but they're seeing it more. I'm just curious if that's something that you're seeing and what's been the response of Iron Mountain towards that?

Mark Kidd

executive
#32

Yes. So it's interesting. We -- We've heard it in the conversations. We actually haven't had it in a live situation yet, but we've absolutely talk to that hyperscalers, multiple ones about the issue. And -- there's 2 things in my mind, as I synthesize it, that are driving that request. One is certainty of long-term control of the parcel in terms of [ the others ] having the site and being able to go back. I think the other thing is when we start talking about fixed priced options, which everybody pushes back. But on the flip side, I think why that's getting pushed is I think they're saying, hey, cap rates are depressing the value of the credit we're bringing with this transactions are very high. And so we're actually effectively giving the market too much value. And so the sophistication around how much value they're bringing to the table is coming into the conversation. And so that's any mechanism to recapture some of that value. I think as the markets continue to develop, those types of requests will become more common. Because in reality, we started to see cap rates on fully stabilized hyperscale assets go even further down than they were last year. So I think that type of question will continue, and it's all about finding the right fair balance of value creation.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#33

Yes, it's interesting. I mean one of my bigger takeaways from this conference so far, including what we did on Tuesday and now today is that demand is not an issue. Demand is very strong. Most of you guys feel very comfortable with leasing strength in terms of what you're expecting and a lot of it looks very similar to what you did in 2020, which was also a strong year. It's more a function of what's the appropriate return? What's the appropriate valuation? How do you expand into a new market, how do you attain land, how do you attain power. It's not demand, which is just a very interesting dynamic when you think about so many other businesses, it's like what's the growth rate going to be, that's not really something that we seem to be focused too much on. It's these other things, which is kind of interesting.

Mark Kidd

executive
#34

I completely agree. I think it's -- I think it gets to an industry dynamic whereas demand gets more concentrated in what's a bigger, faster-growing market. There's no lack of opportunity but you have to be more and more careful about your bets because there are fewer people to sort of be a counterpart to the vet in terms of how the industry is -- the demand is effectively consolidating. So I think site selection becomes that much more important. Structuring becomes that much more important. Cost of equity, if you're going to be you're thinking about returns, is going to become really important. Is this being thought of as an infrastructure asset or a core real estate asset. These are all really important questions that I think are just going to keep cycling and where a lot of folks need to spend a lot of time to make sure we get it right.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#35

Yes. I took us off topic a little bit, but we were talking about various markets and one of the markets you mentioned earlier was Indonesia in terms of one that you guys might be interested in at some point going to. Any others that stand out that you guys have kind of messaged that could be in Iron Mountain's future?

Mark Kidd

executive
#36

So a couple of earnings calls ago, our CEO, Bill Meaney, alluded to some other areas of market development that we think are interesting. And so one area we haven't tapped as aggressively yet, but we started to think about is access via edge and when we say edge, we mean conversion or use of land and real estate we have in the core business. We have about 1,500 buildings spread over 50-plus countries. And some of those, by no means all, but some of them are interesting sort of Tier 2 or Tier 3 entry points in some markets. And so as we look around and think about that, there are regions like Latin America, like some of the Tier 2 markets in Southeast Asia that are interesting. Whether we go forward or how quickly we go forward is a question, but we definitely have done the market research on a global basis. And we're thinking about ways that we can drive higher yield, take advantage of what we have and step out. So I don't think it's an opportunity gap. I think it's definitely prioritization and what's going to go first. And how do we do that in a thoughtful capital allocation oriented way.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#37

Yes, it's really interesting because if you think about where so much of this land that companies like yours acquired to build data centers, it's in industrial or commercial areas. Typically, there's some type of warehouse or maybe corporate office building that has to get raised to ultimately build the data center, but you have a lot of that already in the Iron Mountain portfolio.

Mark Kidd

executive
#38

Yes. And for smaller requirements, I think when you start thinking about like how does a hyperscaler enter a Tier 2 or Tier 3 market, if they have to go in their 3-setting configuration. So they're starting just to -- sort of in that 2 to 3-megawatt per location mode, that's a very good size for us to go start a market. Like the sort of industrial properties we have aren't big enough to go do big hyperscale campuses for the most part. There's a couple of exceptions. But generally, they provide a nice entry in certain places. That's really what we think about.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#39

Build the relationship, be the anchor for that customer and then make some type of agreement maybe to expand to the extent that there's success. Well, I guess a lot goes on, Iron Mountain recently announced its entry into India through a JV with Web Werks. I guess what drove Iron Mountain's decision to enter the Indian market? And what are you seeing there from a demand perspective?

Mark Kidd

executive
#40

Sure. So I think you mentioned a minute ago, kind of how are we thinking about expansion broadly and where do you still like in the world? And I think the work we've done, it suggests that India, it's a fast-growing market. It's underserved. It's very hard to do, as a Western company, it's very hard to change mindset and do business in India if you haven't done a lot. And I think what's good about Iron Mountain is we've been in India for a long time. We have over 100 pieces of real estate there. And so we knew that we wanted a data center specific partner to come in. We thought demand would continue to be strong, and we see that in the conversations that we're having. But equally, we've seen a ton of new entrants announced post -- a couple before or a whole bunch post our announcement. And so I think as we think about it, it's getting in the right markets very quickly and getting sort of an actionable developable parcel up as fast as possible in a handful of markets. And that's really what the team is driving against. You've seen some announcements in the past couple of weeks ago where we're actively going to get the land. And that's really what the business plan is here out of the gate. We'll continue to exploit what we have in Mumbai with great partners, the Web Werks team is really good. We're going to go fast. I think we're in a good place, but there have been a lot of new entrants.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#41

I mean for those of us who might not be as familiar with the Indian market are trying to ramp up, I mean, what are the key data center markets to the extent you have those off the top of your head? And the top 2 or 3 competitors that have really been the dominant players at least thus far?

Mark Kidd

executive
#42

Yes. So your biggest market is Mumbai hands down. Chennai is developing pretty quickly. Pune sits outside of Mumbai. It's a bit of an overflow market, Hyderabad less so, there's been some big deals done, will talk about it there, but less it's coming on. And then Delhi in the capital region has been more government-oriented historically, but it's starting to pick up some speed. In Bangalore, Bangalore has had some players but less. There hasn't really been any big transactions done in Bangalore. There's a couple of players. I think when you talk about who's doing well, you have the NTT and STT platforms that have done really well historically. In the last year or so, the SIFI business has won some nice multi-megawatt deals, in fact it's just kind of starting to really come through in their results when you kind of dig in a little bit. And so that's a pretty good platform. And then what you've had more recently is you've got the entrance of Equinix in digital in hedge connects and sort of everybody else, but they really aren't on the scene yet. And so that's really the market. Mumbai is very competitive, well-established entrenched players there, but the market is also moving very quickly and the deal sizes are changing. And I think every -- the other markets are sort of all -- there's nothing upscale yet built, there's a lot announced and things are happening, but there isn't sort of a dominant player in any of the markets yet.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#43

Is the demand there predominantly or even exclusively to support the country? Or is it to support the broader region?

Mark Kidd

executive
#44

It's vastly the country itself. And so you think about it -- and just kind of put it in context, you have 1.5 billion population. You probably have a population probably like 30 million of 1.5 billion that are sort of fully online. So think of something like the size of a Canada or Australia. But as of 18 months ago, there were only 300 megawatts online in the entire country. And so when you think about penetration, even relative to the size that's sort of fully online and enabled in that huge population, which by the way is growing and enablement is growing very fast. It was just -- it wasn't sort of as enabled as a market. So when you look at it, demand is very much local. We have a lot of people coming online and really driving that business forward. And so that's how we think about it and that's what we see there.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#45

Wanted to transition again. I wanted to kind of go to 2 areas. One is capital recycling, then we'll conclude most likely with M&A. But capital recycling. So as we touched on before, Iron Mountain sold it's fully leased 27-megawatt Frankfurt data center into a JV and you guys hold a 20% stake and you receive construction and management fees. Do you see JVs as a key component of your strategy going forward? Or is that one just kind of based off of necessity given the uniqueness of that transaction and its size?

Mark Kidd

executive
#46

I think our core strategy doesn't evolve around JVs. But then again, our core strategy doesn't evolve around sort of 27-megawatt leases. And so I think -- the way I think about it is that if we can recycle capital at an attractive equity return and even more importantly, bring in lower cost equity into a transaction where we can still make attractive returns in the business. I think that will continue to be part of what a tool that we have in our tool kit. So we're not going to wake up and think about that. But equally, if there are people in the world, accepting [ leverage ] 8% to 10% equity returns on the back of a 15-year credit profile for hyperscale lease, it will be important that that's a tool that somebody like us can pull in, in the appropriate situation. So it's opportunistic, but one that we know needs to be there in potential situations.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#47

Yes. I mean I think of the Blackstone QTS deal and the returns that you were just referencing, I mean, they seem to be out there in terms of what they need in terms of think about the BREIT as part of that overall buyer pool.

Mark Kidd

executive
#48

Without a doubt. I mean I think we look at the world and I think for stabilized hyperscale assets this is definitely a long-term tenure. Even tenures come down a little bit in terms of what the market is looking at. But you look at that, and I think there's just a pool of capital that's looking at it something closer akin to core real estate than they have historically. And I think that creates opportunity from a cost of capital perspective. So it's something I think we all need to be aware of and thinking about.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#49

It goes back to something Marc Ganzi said up on stage, and we just talked about a little while ago, which is then what is the right valuation or multiple for these businesses? I mean that's where the head scratching and sitting in front of your calculator playing around has to -- your time has to be spent right now because it's not -- again, it's not demand. It's how should we be thinking about this business if you're getting a 5-, 10-, 15-year lease with an investment-grade tenant. -- hopefully, with some type of level of escalator built in, what do you pay for something like that. That's an interesting conversation.

Mark Kidd

executive
#50

Yes. I mean I think the question that I think about as it relates to that is it's very clear that the ability to lever that up that kind of cash to get an attractive equity return and drive -- and therefore kind of driving multiples up. It's pretty easy math to do. I think where it becomes less clear is when we think about these assets and we think about even AWS started as a business, what in 2007. And so if we think about the normal duration of the asset life in a data center, some compartments are good forever, some are 15 years, some are 25 years. And we started saying, okay, one of these things are actually going to have to be replaced and when, when we have tenant renewal. And your questions like 25 years from now, are diesel generators going to be okay? These are the types of questions that we will have to think about proactively today to think about that kind of future risk because the issue is when I think about core real estate, you have a very defined asset and defined location where some of this capital isn't that. And so I think in terms of creating value, driving the business forward, huge opportunity today. But equally, we have to be thinking about what does this all look like 15 or 20 years out as well.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#51

Yes. What's the terminal value when you're spending $7 million or $8 million a megawatt, how much of that is going to be still -- hold its value in 20, 30 years opposed to you kind of have to go and gut the whole thing out and do it again. And how does that impact what the terminal value should be for some of these things. It's a really fascinating question.

Mark Kidd

executive
#52

And I think it's important to do the detail. I mean that's completely my advice for everyone is to do the detailed work, understand because wiring and things like that are going to be good for the most part. But is the generator -- is the a diesel generator going to be acceptable 15 years from now even if it still has useful life. I think those are really important things to think about, which in our case, that's why we think so much about sustainability as we want to get ahead of issues like that.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#53

Shifting over the time we have remaining, M&A. So in the past, Iron Mountain has engaged in M&A to expand its data center platform, including the acquisitions of IO and Fortrust which has been complemented by recent smaller facility and site acquisitions such as in Frankfurt. Considering we have seen data center transaction multiples rise in recent years, what is Iron Mountain's view on current M&A valuations, which I guess is probably a nice natural transition from what we're just discussing.

Mark Kidd

executive
#54

Yes. So I think our view is that vastly -- this is a -- it's a good development-led business right now. We think the kind of return profile on that investment is much better. Having said that, we are always kind of scanning the market carefully. And I think there are certain markets that if you want to get into them, just given how many competitors there are or the particular market dynamic, acquisition might be the only way in. And so our core plan doesn't have any of that baked in, but we also are kind of strategically monitoring the world, honestly, in many of those markets I talked about, all the time. And so our aspiration, our focus, our energies on that greenfield-oriented development, deploying capital that way, building out new and existing markets, but carefully keeping an eye out.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#55

Yes. It seems like he froze or did I freeze.

Mark Kidd

executive
#56

Sorry, about that.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#57

Okay. We're back. So I mean, as it relates to M&A, it sounds like the focus then is really about you see greenfield build opportunities all over, and that's what you're going to do, particularly in the markets to which you're in. But to the extent that Iron Mountain wants to continue to expand geographically into new markets there's certainly a value in place for using M&A to get to where you want to go.

Mark Kidd

executive
#58

There is, but it's not the core focus. We'll greenfield new markets as well. So I'd say we're keeping an opportunistic eye open, but driving against development.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#59

And I guess just as part of that, does Iron Mountain have the financial flexibility right now for you guys to use M&A as a tool. I admittedly, I'm not as familiar with the broader balance sheet of the company.

Mark Kidd

executive
#60

Sure. So the company has been committed to reducing leverage pretty meaningfully, sort of into a 4.5 to 5.5x range. We're guiding to a 5.3 somewhere right around there.for the end of the year, and the team has done a really nice job of continuing on that journey. And so I think the company is very much focused on delivering against those goals and staying within that range. And so that's really the emphasis. So I think is there capital availability to strategically invest? Yes. Are we going to continue to recycle capital like we have been from the industrial properties? Yes. And so I think we'll be constantly making really good capital allocation choices. But as with all of us, there's never an infinite pool of capital. But it's my job to find good opportunities and then we figure out if we want to invest, right.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#61

I'm going to conclude with the question I asked you before, and I'll probably ask you this every time that you give me the opportunity to speak with you. But Iron Mountain had this great idea to go into the data center business. I mean it's -- from what I can tell, has been very successful, so congratulations but it's different than how you initially anticipated. To your point, it's kind of moved more into the hyperscale side. It's less dependent on leveraging off of that legacy Iron Mountain Fortune 100-type customer that you guys have. Does it make sense to keep these 2 businesses combined? And do you think that you would actually -- investors would actually attain a higher valuation, a higher value for the companies if they were actually split apart?

Mark Kidd

executive
#62

I think our view, a, we think data center is absolutely core to mission and kind of the growth trajectory that we've been driving against this business. I think we've continued to educate the market. I think the market is really beginning to understand the pieces, both the data center and kind of the core business, which has continued to outperform our expectations. And so we think we're really driving and delivering value that way. As with anything, we remain thoughtful investors. And so you should never say never to anything, but absolutely our core focus is to view as part of the core business and continue to drive against that to be smart allocators of capital.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#63

Great. Well, with that, we are at the time limit. So Mark, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Enjoy your time in Europe, and I hope to see you soon.

Mark Kidd

executive
#64

Thank you so much, Colby. Take care now.

Colby Synesael

analyst
#65

Take care. Bye.

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