Kerry Group plc (KRZ) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

October 27, 2022

Euronext Dublin IE Consumer Staples Food Products interim_update 48 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good day, and welcome to the Kerry Group Third Quarter 2020 Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] and finally, I would like to advise all participants that this call is being recorded. Thank you. I'd now like to welcome William Lynch, Head of Investor Relations, to begin the conference. William, over to you.

William Lynch

executive
#2

Thank you, operator. Good morning, and welcome to Kerry's Q3 2022 Results Call. I'm joined on our call by CEO, Edmond Scanlon; and our CFO, Marguerite Larkin. Edmond and Marguerite will take you through a brief presentation, and we will then open the line to your questions. Before we begin, please note the usual disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements. I will now hand over to Edmond.

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#3

Thanks, William, and good morning, everyone. So moving to Slide 3 and my overview comments on our year-to-date results. Overall, we are pleased to report that we continue to deliver strong business growth in what remains a highly dynamic marketplace. Firstly, volumes in Taste & Nutrition were up 8.5% year-to-date. And this growth was broad-based across each of our regions and our markets and was led by excellent performances in Snacks, Beverage and Meat and Bakery in particular. Overall growth in the retail channel remains strong while foodservice continued to deliver double-digit growth through the third quarter. Moving to pricing, which was up 7.5% in Taste & Nutrition for the period and a little higher at group level. And as you can see from the slide, pricing has increased through the year as we continue to manage through this unprecedented inflationary environment, very much in collaboration with our customers. The resilience of supply chain remains a key focus across our industry as a result of the inflationary pressures and the geopolitical volatility in places. However, we continue to see good levels of innovation activity with our customers, and we're working very closely to support them in developing their offerings. And also to help them to meet the needs of their consumers in areas such as new taste experiences and cleaner and healthier labels, but also evolving their offerings to meet a more value-conscious consumer. So while our industry remains quite dynamic with many challenges to navigate, the excellent performance we've shown this year, combined with our strong positioning with our customers gives us confidence that we will continue to outperform and meet the opportunities in our marketplace. So with that, I'll hand you over to Marguerite for the financial overview.

Marguerite Larkin

executive
#4

Thanks, Edmond, and good morning, everyone. Moving to Slide 4 and the summary Group financial overview. Firstly, on revenues, Group volumes were up 6.6% in the period, driven by the strong performance in Taste & Nutrition. Reported revenue was up 16.1% in the period, primarily due to organic growth, with foreign exchange and M&A broadly offsetting each other. Group EBITDA margins were back 40 basis points in the period, which was driven by the increased mathematical impact from the higher Q3 pricing that Edmond referenced as we continue to offset the absolute increase in input costs. This dilution was partially offset by benefits from portfolio development, operating leverage, portfolio mix and efficiency initiatives. Reported EBITDA increased by 12.6% year-to-date due to the combination of strong revenue growth and margin development. And finally, net debt was EUR 2.4 billion at the end of the period versus EUR 2.5 billion at the end of H1. Turning next to Slide 5 and the Group revenue analysis. Overall, reported revenue increased by 16.1% in the period, driven by the components, as you can see highlighted here on the slide. Firstly, volume growth of 6.6% and price of 10.6% and which equates to 7.5% and 12.1%, respectively, on a like-for-like basis. On foreign exchange, we had a 6.6% translation currency tailwinds on revenues, driven by a weaker euro against the major currencies, combined with a 0.2% transaction impact. Overall, acquisitions and disposals was a net decrease of 7.9% with acquisitions contributing 4.8% to revenue, driven primarily by Niacet, more than offset by the effect of last year's Consumer Foods Meats and Meals business disposal of 12.7%. Moving next to Slide 6 on the Taste & Nutrition business review. Firstly, we had volume growth of 8.5% in the period with growth of 8.2% in Q3. Pricing was 7.5% year-to-date and 10.6% in the quarter, resulting in an overall organic growth of 16% year-to-date and 19% in the third quarter. While we had good absolute profit growth, the EBITDA margin for the division was back 80 basis points year-to-date due to the impact of passing through input cost inflation, partially offset by mixed leverage efficiency and portfolio benefits. From an End Use Markets perspective, leverage continues to be strong with launches in the tea and coffee, refreshing and nutritional beverage categories. Growth in Meat and Bakery was supported by increased demand for Kerry's range of food protection and preservation systems. Beverage and Snacks was strong through our authentic taste systems and Tastesense sold in sugar reduction technologies. In our channels, retail continues to deliver strong growth with foodservice continuing to deliver double-digit volume growth. And volumes in emerging markets were up 12.3%, led by growth in LATAM, the Middle East and Southeast Asia. Turning now to Slide 7 and our regional performance within Taste & Nutrition. Firstly, the Americas has had volume growth of 9.3% in the period and 9.6% in the third quarter. Growth in North America in the period was driven by our Beverage, Meat and Bakery End Use Markets and remain strong across both of our channels. In LATAM, we had very strong growth across Brazil, driven by performance in Meals and Meat, while volumes in Mexico were less by growth in Beverage and Snacks with regional leaders. In Europe, volumes were up 6.2% in the period and 4.4% in the third quarter. This growth was led by the Snacks, Dairy and Meals End Use Markets, with foodservice, a key driver of growth within the region. From a geographical perspective, growth was strongest in Central and Southern Europe while performance in Eastern Europe was impacted by the ongoing war in the regions. As previously announced, the divestment of the Group's Russia subsidiary was also completed during the period. In APMEA, we had overall volume growth of 9% in the period and 8.6% in the third quarter, led by the Meat, Snacks and Bakery End Use Markets. Growth was strong across both channels and was strongest across the Middle East and Southeast Asia, partially offset by China, which continues to be impacted by local restrictions. Turning to Slide 8 and Dairy Ireland, which delivered solid growth despite being in a period of significant price inflation. Overall, pro forma volume growth in the period was 1.8%, which growth of 1% in the third quarter. Pricing for the period was up 36.6%. The Dairy ingredients business achieved good overall volume growth while in Dairy Consumer Products, the overall category volumes were impacted by higher prices. And EBITDA margin for the division was back 190 basis points as a result of passing through input cost inflation. Finally, to cover a couple of other financial matters on Slide 9. For input costs, we are expecting elevated levels of inflation to continue through Q4 at a broadly similar level to Q3. We will continue to manage these input cost fluctuations through our well-established pricing models with the aim of recovering the absolute cost of these price increases. And on currency, we're forecasting a translation tailwind of approximately 9% on the earnings for the full year based on currency exchange rates. So to sum up on the overall financial performance, we were pleased with our continued progress and strong growth across the period, particularly given the current market dynamics. And with that, I'll hand you back to Edmond for the outlook.

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#5

Thanks, Marguerite. Now moving to Slide 10 and the full year outlook. While overall market conditions remain uncertain, we believe we are well positioned as we continue to work with our customers to hold their offerings. We remain confident in our ability to manage through the current inflationary cycle with our well-established pricing model and our cost initiatives. We will continue to strategically evolve our portfolio and invest capital aligned to our strategic priorities and key growth platforms. And given we have just finished the third quarter, today, we're narrowing our full year adjusted earnings guidance range from 5% to 9% to 6% to 8% on a constant currency basis. And with that, I'll hand you back to the operator, and we look forward to taking your questions.

Operator

operator
#6

Thank you, speakers for the presentation. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Cathal Kenny from Davy Research.

Cathal Kenny

analyst
#7

Two questions from my side. Firstly, on the Americas, can you speak to the performance of the North American division region within that place by channel for foodservice and retail. Second question relates to margin at a Group level, can you outline the change in margin in Q3 and the drivers of that margin and how we should think about margin for the full year? They are my 2 questions.

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#8

And I'll take the first part of that question, Marguerite takes the second part. Just in terms of, let's say, our overall business in the Americas, it's been a very strong quarter for the business. with the 9.6% growth. And just to look at that between LATAM and North America, one should think about LATAM in the, let's say, in the [ 20s ] from a growth perspective and strong performance in North America than in the mid- to high single digits or -- what I would say is there's been a lot of significant level of launches in the second and third quarter. In North America, I would say, the level of engagement with customers is quite strong. On the retail channel, I would particularly call out Beverage from an innovation perspective. I would call that category as quite dynamic. Whether it's on areas like alcoholic beverage on the one hand, nutritional and functional beverage on the other hand, areas like hydration -- so quite strong on the retail side and also on the -- on the foodservice side, we've seen a return of seasonal LTOs in the quarter, a step up from where it was a year ago. Actually, we did see some earlier launches of some of the seasonal LTOs a little bit earlier than we would have typically seen them in the past. And of course, what I talked before around reducing operational complexity at the back of the store, I can safely say at this stage, that's a structural change in the foodservice channel, and we're very well placed to take advantage of that opportunity.

Marguerite Larkin

executive
#9

And maybe then, Cathal, just your question on margins. So firstly, our overall margin at a group level was back 40 basis points year-to-date. And then in the quarter, just over 100 basis points. The higher margin dilution in the third quarter was solely due to the mathematical impacts of passing through the increased input cost inflation that I referenced to higher pricing and the phasing of profits in the second half. I would say our normal levers have continued to positively contribute to margin during the period. And then from a full year perspective, we're not calling out any changes to the fundamental drivers of margin. However, given the increased mathematical impact and the timing of the portfolio benefits, we are looking at group margins being directionally back, I'd say, 60 to 70 basis points for the full year.

Operator

operator
#10

Your next question comes from the line of Charles Eden from UBS.

Charles Eden

analyst
#11

Just a couple of questions from me. Firstly, would you mind just quantifying the growth that you saw in the retail channel in P&L in the third quarter? And maybe just give some comments around the performance by customer type -- so thinking global FMCGs versus your local and regional customer base? And then my second question is just on the guidance. I'll be blunt, why not raise the full year constant FX EPS guidance in the midpoint, I sort of fully understand the pricing strength is just cost offset, as Marguerite just alluded to, but with volumes also very strong and coming in ahead of expectations, surprised that you haven't maybe nudged that up. So if you could just talk to that a little bit.

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#12

Sure. And thanks, Charles. Firstly, in terms of retail. Overall retail volumes were 5.6% in the third quarter. And that was primarily driven from our performance in the North America region from a regional perspective. In terms of customer type, I wouldn't necessarily call out any kind of a major shift or anything like that from a segmentation standpoint as we look at right across our customer base, there's nothing really noteworthy there to call out from what we just know over the last year. We're not seeing any significant market share shift or anything like that. What I would say is that there is quite an amount of innovation happening across the board. I guess they call it renovation, where we're working with customers right across the board to improve the nutritional profile of products, clean of labels, reduce sugar, salts and fats without compromising on -- without compromising on taste. One would not typically see that kind of activity from a category growth perspective. But from a Kerry perspective, that is certainly a driver in terms of our performance in the retail channel. In terms of guidance, maybe just to frame that a little bit, -- we do expect that there are full year growth in G&A to be in that 7% zone from a volume growth perspective. And I guess based on, let's say, my own experience with customers, I would say, particularly in the Europe region, we are seeing an element of cautiousness with customers. So our perspective on the guidance is really our own being pragmatic and we feel, let's say, our approach is appropriate given where we are at this time of the year and the level of visibility we have and our engagement with customers.

Operator

operator
#13

Your next question comes from the line of James Targett from Berenberg.

James Targett

analyst
#14

A couple of questions. I mean just firstly, coming back on actually your last comment, Edmond, about the volume growth. You're talking about 7% for the full year for T&N. Obviously, after what you've achieved, I guess, in Q3 I mean what are you -- you mentioned Europe being seen some cautiousness. But are you actually seeing any signs that some of your customers are starting to postpone or cancel orders. And if we look at foodservice, in particular, I mean, clearly, it was a strong -- a very strong quarter in terms of growth, but we are seeing some data showing full slowdown in QSR, and I appreciate what you're doing on the LTOs. But are you seeing any weakness materializing in foodservice at all perhaps towards the end of the quarter? And then -- that will be very helpful just to get some idea of that. And then in the retail channel, thanks to the growth rate, any big difference there between your branded volumes and your private label that would be really helpful. And then just lastly, just on -- in terms of guidance, Marguerite, any comments on free cash flow and conversion expectations for this year at this stage.

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#15

Thanks, James. Maybe just to give a few comments. We have seen some shifts in consumer behavior across different markets. And we have seen some volatility in order patterns and we have seen some customers decrease orders. But on the other hand, we've seen other customers actually increase orders. And I would say my level of cautiousness would be more from a geographic perspective around the European region, let's say, rather than what we're seeing in North America, where we're seeing North America continuing to be quite dynamic. We have seen an uptick on the level of engagements on the let's say, the private label side. Certainly, the level of engagement with retailers as they're trying to say, scenario plan and things like that certainly has increased. But overall, I guess, we feel we are well positioned with the level of engagement right across the board that we're having with customers. And as they're looking at various scenarios, and looking out into the next number of quarters. We feel that the level of engagement we have is very strong. The level of collaboration we're having with customers is very strong. So ultimately, we feel well positioned as things, let's say, evolve here in the coming quarters. I think it's fair to say that our approach is being -- is pragmatic. I wouldn't call out any kind of let's say, a major change from a destocking standpoint, we haven't seen anything kind of any meaningful level at this moment in time. In terms of, let's say, that point on, let's say, branded versus person private label, let's say, other than maybe 1 or 2 geographies, we haven't seen any meaningful, let's say, change. And ultimately, from a Kerry perspective, -- from a practical standpoint, in many instances, our customers actually serve both -- both channels, both branded and private label. So again, from an impact perspective, we don't see a major impact as that potentially will evolve in the coming quarters. In terms of foodservice, like you see there in the numbers, overall, we had growth of mid-single digits and that 14% on, and that is a strong performance. And again, it was, I would say, primarily driven by the Americas from an overall scale perspective. And I guess, at that point that I know I touched on before in terms of innovations to reduce back-of-house complexity. I would say that now is the biggest driver of opportunity, growth and innovation pipeline, I would say. When we look right across our business, -- we believe that, that is structural in terms of, let's say, the foodservice channel and we feel, while that let's say, work is primarily orientated from a geographic perspective in North America. What we typically see is when customers, especially global customers, global QSR customers, let's say, fast casual customers or coffee chains, when they make changes in the back of the stores, while they might start in North America for reasons we spoke about in the past, they actually rolled out those changes in back-of-store that they operations -- globally, subsequently. So look, we are extremely well positioned in terms of helping those customers reduce that complexity. We've talked about it many times in the past, but this is a real feature known foodservice. And again, we feel optimistic about the channel as we look forward, despite, let's say, the obvious, let's say, challenges that are going to be out there in the coming quarters.

Marguerite Larkin

executive
#16

And then, James, on your cash points, we don't give the detailed cash update on the quarter, I will say that we are continuing to work to a cash conversion in the zone of the 80% for the full year. Obviously, balancing this against requirements linked with the increased inflationary environment. So hopefully, that gives you our thinking.

Operator

operator
#17

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Molins from Goodbody.

Jason Molins

analyst
#18

Just for clarity around the cash flow performance. I appreciate you don't necessarily give color during the quarter. But I guess, the definition that you've traveled with from half year to where you're sitting at the moment hasn't necessarily moved that much. So maybe just give a bit of context in terms of particularly the working capital that maybe was a drag in the first half, how we should think about that for the rest of the year. And then just finally, read, the input cost situation, I appreciate a bit of color that you've mentioned for the second half. But how should we think about, I guess, the early part of next year or what you're thinking about how some of those input costs are going to travel through next year.

Marguerite Larkin

executive
#19

Good morning, Jason. So just in terms of cash I think it's fair to say we're making progress. And it's -- obviously, at this juncture, we don't give a detailed update on the moving parts. But in summary, our reduction in debt from EUR 2.5 billion to EUR 2.4 billion does reflect profits in the period, working capital and also our capital expenditure during the period. I think in the context of the full year, just to reiterate, my earlier point in the context of the full year, again, to confirm that we're continuing to work to that cash conversion in the zone of 80%. And obviously, at the full year, as we give you the full breakdown of the various working capital components, et cetera, that makes up that cash conversion. Then in terms of the raw material cost inflation; firstly, maybe looking at it from a take a nutrition perspective on raw materials, we're looking at mid-teens raw material cost inflation overall year-to-date since we expect that to be more like high teens for the full year. And then within Dairy Ireland, input cost inflation is obviously more significant. And the combination of those 2 lead to an overall input cost inflation to the group, more than 20% -- in the zone of 20-plus percent for the full year as we look out for the remainder of the year.

Operator

operator
#20

Your next question comes from the line of Faham Baig back from Credit Suisse.

Mirza Faham Baig

analyst
#21

A couple of, hopefully, quick questions from me. Would you suggest the very strong volume performance in T&N in Q3 also reflects a normalization of the supply chain? Or would you say there are still areas of difficulties that you still have? And the second question comes back to your brief comments on destocking. What visibility do you have on inventories at your customers? I'm conscious because one of the largest food and beverage companies spoke about running on significantly higher levels of inventories that they're going to look to normalize over the next few months or it could be up to a year and how that might impact your volumes in FY '23?

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#22

Thanks, Faham. I'll try and give a few perspectives. I would say, overall, from a supply chain standpoint, look, there does continue to be ongoing supply chain challenges. And we are continuing to mitigate that supply chain disruption, and we have been carrying, let's say, extra inventories. And I would say, while there's lots of challenges across the industry from a pricing standpoint and an inflation standpoint and we're all asking ourselves questions about price elasticity and trading down and what have you. At the end of the day, the most important point with any engagement with a customer continues to be a guarantee of supply and security of supply. And I think in terms of, let's say, but, let's say -- one of the drivers of our business is I feel is that we've been doing a pretty decent job at supplying our customers over the last number of years. Despite all the challenges, whether it's COVID or geopolitical events or other supply chain disruptions and I think we've been benefiting through engagement with our customers as a reward, if you will, for, let's say, doing a good job from an overall supply chain perspective. We don't have perfect visibility in terms of what's out there, let's say, across the industry from an overall stocking level standpoint. But for sure, it is at an elevated level across the industry. We haven't seen any, let's say, meaningful level of destocking. We're not expecting to see a meaningful level of destocking. I'm sure some customers are maybe taking some actions. It's something we keep a very close eye on, but not something that I would be calling out here at this moment in time as we should be expecting something to see something in the short term. Maybe over the long term, there might be a gradual destocking across the supply chain. But right now, I just don't expect that to be a major factor here in the coming quarter. As for 2023, I just feel it's just a little bit too early to comment on that at this moment in time.

Operator

operator
#23

Your next question comes from the line of Lauren Molyneux from Citi.

Lauren Molyneux

analyst
#24

I just have 2, please. So firstly, can you just talk a bit more about what you're seeing in the emerging markets kind of how that trended through the quarter, whether you are starting to see any elasticity in reaction to some of the pricing that's going through. And I guess your expectations to how well those markets hold us as well? And then my second question would be on your volume outlook for 2023. I know you've kind of touched on it slightly, but I was wondering if you could talk more to the shape of volumes you're expecting through the year and that you're planning? And also kind of how those volumes look by channel, what you're expecting is some conversion from [indiscernible] at home as consumer wallet squeezed? Thank you.

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#25

Lauren, I appreciate the question in 2023, but I just feel at this stage, it's a little bit too early to comment. I mean what I would say is that I feel that we are -- we're well positioned. I think we're pragmatic in terms of, let's say, what potential scenarios could play out. And overall, we feel confident on our ability to be able to engage with customers to help them to, let's say, meet the challenges and the opportunities that will present themselves over the course of the next 12 months. In terms of emerging markets, overall emerging market growth in Q3 was up mid-teens. And this was representative of excellent growth in LATAM. And also in the APMEA region, I guess, outside of China. China continues to be, let's say, challenged from an overall perspective and from the restrictions that we've seen there. And another area I will call out that has been challenged for obvious reasons due to the war and that's Eastern Europe. The growth drivers, I would say, here in emerging markets, just to call out one in particular, and in that localization of supply. And we're not seeing, let's say, a demand impact and you're not seeing that demand impact in our numbers in EMs because I feel we're -- again, we're well positioned to be able to meet that demand from a local perspective. And we see customers in EMs really, I guess, prioritizing partners that can work with them locally from a development perspective and also from a supply perspective. And from a channel perspective then, on the retail side, we've seen particularly strong growth on the snacking area due to growth in authentic taste solutions and on the foodservice side, it's mainly with the QSR chains and the reintroduction of LTOs and also some recovery from where we were a year ago.

Operator

operator
#26

Your next question comes from the line of Lisa De Neve from Morgan Stanley.

Lisa Hortense De Neve

analyst
#27

I have a follow-up on foodservice. And so in moving parts there. So we've seen some QSR and restaurant traffic trends slowing sequentially. And some QSR and CPG companies have sort of cited lower transactional volumes and a notable shift back to at home consumption, but on the other side, you've noted very strong demand for simplification in back-of-store solutions and even noted this time sort of a return of seasonal innovation trends. So how do you think about sort of net growth outlook and what you're seeing across the different regions and in foodservice? It would be just very helpful to understand the moving parts here and where you're benefiting, where there potentially could be some levels of weakness?

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#28

Thanks, Lisa, and I'll take the question. Like I said, look, we're very pleased with the continued strong performance in foodservice. And we feel we're extremely well positioned. I mean, I would ask you to cast your mind back , let's say, the early days of call with where our business was significantly impacted and we proactively engaged with our key customers in that phase and really worked proactively with them to work through the various challenges that they were seeing. At the time, the first point, obviously, was that there was an impact from a labor standpoint, a labor availability standpoint. And maybe at the very outset, the perspective was that, that labor availability might be short term in nature. Subsequently, it transpired that it is more structural in nature, not just from an availability standpoint, but also we've seen a significant step up from a cost of labor standpoint. And many of our foodservice customers have to restrict opening hours or make some restrictions on menus. So we've been working with our customers in the foodservice channel every step of the way here over the last couple of years. And I think we've positioned ourselves extremely well to be having the right level of conversation with them as they're identifying challenges, and we're helping them to overcome those challenges that they're seeing. I would say, from a geographic standpoint, the Americas certainly would be the most dynamic -- and what I mean by that, is that these labor challenges, which are structural in nature, are primarily a feature in North America. And again, I just feel that we're coming to them proactively with solutions whether it's a highly concentrated beverage solutions and being stable solutions, different types of dispensing solutions from a beverage standpoint. And these are resonating with our customers. And when customers change their back-of-store operations, and please bear in mind that the primary orientation of our business is in QSR and fast casual, which we think are going to be the beneficiaries of any evolution of the market in the next phase, we are extremely well positioned, I feel. I would say that from a Europe perspective, the U.K. was a little bit subdued. We did see that at the earlier phases of recovery, U.K. was probably the first to recover in Europe. That then subsequently was followed by Continental Europe. And within the APMEA region, we saw performance in the quarter well above 20% driven by primarily the seasonal menu offerings, but also solutions designed to improve the overall nutritional impact. So as we look at the foodservice channel, we feel we're extremely well positioned. We feel that the market for us, the market opportunity within the foodservice channel would actually be bigger for us because of the structural changes we're seeing in the channel all around that back-of-store complexity and removing it.

Lisa Hortense De Neve

analyst
#29

That's very helpful. And I have a small follow-up on the EBITDA margin guidance for the full year, if that's possible. So you've guided sort of in the ballpark as EBITDA margins being down minus sorry, minus 60 bps. And I just wanted to understand, is that just the mathematical price to input inflation effects? Or is there anything else that is sort of embedded in that sort of qualitative guidance?

Marguerite Larkin

executive
#30

Lisa, I'll take that question. It's predominantly due to the increased mathematical impact and also, as I referenced, the timing of the portfolio benefit, which was more orientated to the earlier part of the year versus the last part of the year.

Operator

operator
#31

Your next question comes from the line of Virginie Boucher-Ferte from Deutsche Bank.

Virginie Boucher-Ferte

analyst
#32

I have 3 questions. First of all, can you please update on your M&A pipeline and comment on the market generating...

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#33

Sorry, Virginie. We just can't hear you so clearly, I'm not so sure the line is in grace -- that's...

Virginie Boucher-Ferte

analyst
#34

Can you hear me now?

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#35

Okay. Perfect that's a better version now.

Virginie Boucher-Ferte

analyst
#36

Yes, could you please update us on your M&A pipeline? What you are seeing in terms of valuations, sellers' expectations, competition for assets? Have you seen any meaningful change that may or may not provide opportunities for you. Then just a small clarification. You mentioned earlier on the call that you've seen a return of LTOs in foodservice. And also you have seen earlier launches than you would have seen in the past. So does it mean that some sales in foodservice might have been pull forward, which might, in part, explain your conservatism on Q4? And then last question, it's a quick data point, which relates to 2009. So I'm going to test your memory. Even if I know you were not in the same position at the time. But would you happen to know how much of Taste & Nutrition did foodservice represent at the time compared to the 30% it represents today. Thanks.

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#37

I'll kick off here and maybe William might help me with your last question. Just on M&A, I would characterize our pipeline as continuing to be quite active. But that said, expectation management around valuations is taking a little bit of time. So where we are spending some time with various promoters and owners of businesses, let's say, managing expectations for the reasons that we all know. That said, the pipeline continues to be active. I think Virginie, your point on foodservice is fair. We have seen a pull forward, I would say, of a number of seasonal as Europe's being launched a little bit earlier and look at from an overall perspective, I would say, I would characterize our perspective on the outlook and, let's say, the full year guidance has been pragmatic and appropriate.

William Lynch

executive
#38

I've gone back in the history lesson their Virginie and thanks for the challenge. I mean, foodservice currently, we're in the zone of 40%. That's where we're kind of moving back in that zone, given obviously the growth that we've seen across this year. If you go back into the end of the previous decade, really, we were -- back in 2008, 2009, we were looking at under 20% zone, but you were in that we've been about 1/5 of what we would have characterized as Taste & Nutrition.

Operator

operator
#39

Your next question comes from the line of Heidi Vesterinen from BNP Paribas.

Heidi Vesterinen

analyst
#40

I've just got 2 questions left. Some of your customers have talked about SKU rationalization. Is this something you see? And how would it impact your business? And then secondly, you have a lot of innovations relating to sustainability. As consumers become pressured, does sustainability still matter to consumers. Have you seen any changes there?

Edmond Scanlon

executive
#41

Thanks, Heidi. I would say on the first part of your question first on SKU rationalization, I would say that it has been a factor -- I would say, right across the last couple of years where -- and I would say, primarily driven from the supply chain challenges that we've been in commenting over the last number of years. I wouldn't describe any uptick or anything like that in SKU rationalization in the last quarter or the last couple of quarters. But certainly a factor that has been there for the last number of years. In terms of your question on sustainability and sustainability driving innovation, I will say that sustainability innovations that are also bringing cost benefits. And from our perspective, the key call out there is solutions that have an impact on food waste probably have significantly increased over the course of the last number of quarters, probably starting in Q1. So that has been a progressive, I would say, increase in the level of engagement and level of interest from customers because it's not only helping customers from a sustainability standpoint. It also has been customers from a cost standpoint. I would say broadly, sustainability is there as an underpin across most categories. But what has separated or changed, I would say, over the course of the last number of quarters is sustainability, let's say, objectives or ambitions that drive cost savings as well.

Operator

operator
#42

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to William for closing remarks.

William Lynch

executive
#43

Thanks. Thank you very much, operator. Listen, thanks, everyone, for joining us, and thanks for taking the time to go through your questions with us today. If there's any follow-ups, please reach out to the IR team. Listen, we wish you a good day. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#44

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