kneat.com, inc. (KSI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 24, 2021

Toronto Stock Exchange CA Health Care Health Care Technology earnings 48 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the kneat.com Fourth Quarter and Year-ended December 31, 2020 Update and Results Conference Call. Please be advised that today's conference call is being recorded. Today's call will be hosted by Eddie Ryan, Kneat's CEO; and Hugh Kavanagh, CFO at Kneat. At the conclusion of the formal comments, we will allocate some time to take questions, and we will prioritize questions from sell-side financial analysts. Eddie will begin with his comments, and then Hugh will move on to some financial highlights. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that except for historical information, the comments in today's conference call contain forward-looking statements, including statements regarding Kneat's future financial outlook and financial performance, market growth, the release dates for and benefits from the use of Kneat Solutions, our strategies and our general business conditions. Any forward-looking statements contained in this presentation are based upon Kneat's historical performance and its current plans, estimates and expectations, and are not a representation that such plans, estimates or expectations will be achieved. These forward-looking statements represent Kneat's expectations as of today. Subsequent events may cause these expectations to change, and Kneat disclaims any obligation to update the forward-looking statements future. These forward-looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially, including quarterly results and limited operating history, which make it difficult to predict future results. Our expectation for future growth of our revenues; unauthorized access to our customers' data; dependence on revenues from customers; rate of adoption of our a SaaS model; acceptance of our applications and services by customers; loss of one or more key customers; adverse changes in general, economic or market conditions, particularly in the life sciences industry; delays or reductions in information technology spending, particularly in the life sciences industry, including as a result of mergers in the life sciences industry; the development of the market for enterprise cloud services, particularly in the life sciences industry; competitive factors, including, but not limited to pricing pressures, industry consolidation, entry of new competitors and new applications and marketing initiatives by our competitors; our ability to manage our growth effectively; and changes in sales that may not be immediately reflected in our results due to the revenue recognition criteria under International Financial Reporting Standards. Further to these risks, these forward-looking statements do not include a full assessment or reflection of the unprecedented impacts of COVID-19 pandemic occurring since the first quarter of 2020 and the ongoing and developing situation resulting in direct global and regional economic impacts. This has resulted in significant economic uncertainty, and even though the company has to date experienced no significant impact to its operations and a potential impact on our future is difficult to understand or measure at this time. Further information on potential risks that could affect actual results will be included in other filings Kneat makes on www.sedar.com. The press release, the MD&A and the audited consolidated financial statements are all posted on our website. And if you wish to receive a copy of any of these documents, please do not hesitate to contact us. Eddie Ryan will now start with his comments.

Edmund Ryan

executive
#2

Thank you. Welcome, everybody. I am pleased to report on the progress that our team has made during quarter 4 and for the full year 2020. This is highlighted by an 88% year-over-year growth in total revenues. We had 243% year-over-year growth in SaaS license revenues. Additionally, we continued to see strong growth in our overall annual recurring revenue, which was up 149% year-over-year. It is also pleasing to see that our SaaS license fees now represent 72% of the total license revenue for 2020, compared with 35% for the previous year. The promotion of our SaaS offering is a key strategy for Kneat, and its continued strong growth illustrates how our team continues to execute well on our plans. Our existing customers are expanding into new work processes and to new sites, delivering a great opportunity for growth and expansion of our software. Excellent customer references coupled with a strong sales and marketing effort is driving a healthy shares pipeline. We continue to develop our company structure, and recently made this senior appointment of Mr. Keith Holmes as Chief Technology Officer. Kneat will benefit from Keith's considerable experience in product strategy and technical leadership as we continue to grow our operations globally. Our R&D team continues to build out our technology, and we are excited by what they're achieving. In addition, we continue to enhance our SaaS delivery model, which is leading to its increased adoption. In spite of COVID-19, we are executing on our plans, and we are very proud of all our team as they do so in a challenging remote environment. It is very satisfying to be helping many of the largest global healthcare companies to digitize and become paperless with some of their critical business processes. As we progress, we are becoming trusted by more and more of the largest global healthcare companies. Our plan for 2021 is to continue to add and deploy new SaaS customers, expand to new work processes and new sites with our existing customer base and continue to develop the Kneat Gx platform to deliver increasing value for all our customers. This concludes my review and comments. I will now hand over to Hugh, and I will be back for the question-and-answer session and with my closing statements. Hugh?

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#3

Thanks, Eddie. For the financial review, please keep in mind that all the numbers I will be discussing are in Canadian dollars. Revenue for the 3 months ended December 31, 2020, was $2.96 million. This was an increase of 112% from $1.4 million in the same period in 2019. SaaS license fees are a key metric for Kneat. Compared with the fourth quarter of 2019, SaaS license fees of $1.14 million increased by 233%. Total revenue for the year ended 2020 was $7.42 million, which is an increase of 88% from $3.95 million in the previous financial year. This included $2.88 million in SaaS revenues, which increased by 243% from $0.84 million in 2019. The increase in revenue was driven primarily by new customers going live on the platform, existing customers scaling their use of Kneat Gx through the purchase of additional licenses and the growth of professional services revenue associated with services provided to customers by our larger professional services team. Cost of revenues of $1.36 million for the 3 months ended December 31, 2020, increased from $0.65 million for the fourth quarter of 2019 and the year ended December 31, 2020 was $4.54 million, an increase from $2.19 million for the year ended December 2019. These increases reflect additional salaries and benefits related to a higher headcount in the professional services team and increased hosting costs associated with the SaaS platform. Gross margins for the 3 months ended December 31, 2020 was $1.6 million. This is an increase in gross margin from $0.65 million for the same quarter in 2019. The increase in gross margin reflects an increase in revenue, in particular, the increase in license revenue and improved professional services margins associated with the increased contribution of recently added team members, as they completed training and come up to speed. Net loss for the fourth quarter of 2020 was $1.59 million compared to a net loss of $1.12 million for the same period in 2019. Kneat has continued to invest in building our team by hiring talented staff across many functions. The impact of increased revenues and gross margins is offset by unfavorable foreign currency movements and additional salaries and benefit costs related to higher headcount on the professional services and R&D teams as well as increased amortization costs relating to the intangible asset. Finally, some comments on the performance -- the key performance metric of annualized recurring revenue, ARR, which includes SaaS license fees and maintenance fees. The promotion of our SaaS offering, which adds to our annual recurring revenue base, is a key strategy for Kneat. Progress on this front continues to be reflected in the growth in ARR at December 31, 2020 to $4.8 million, a 149% increase compared to December 31, 2019. More specifically, ARR from SaaS license fees increased by 203% to $3.9 million and ARR from maintenance fees increased by 39% from December 31, 2019. As a reminder, we have filed our audited consolidated financial statements and MD&A on SEDAR, and they have all -- they are also available on our website. We are now ready to take questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note that only attendees with a microphone will be able to ask questions during today's session.

Edmund Ryan

executive
#4

[Operator Instructions] So our first question today comes from Gavin Fairweather.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#5

Can you hear me now?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#6

Yes, good.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#7

Okay, great. Yes, it's Gavin here from Cormark. Congrats on the quarter. Maybe, Eddie, just to start out, can you just touch on the sales funnel? You've obviously done some great work capturing kind of the top 20 clients there. I guess, I'm just kind of curious if there is -- if you could speak from a high level to any kind of RFP activity going on or any kind sales processes going on within those Tier 1s that you haven't yet captured?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#8

Gavin, it's a good question. So yes, so at this point in time, we're at the same stage, I would say, we are continuing with a very strong healthy pipeline. The team continued to execute well on the front end. And we expect to continue in the same vein with that. There are always RFPs going on and sales process going on with some of these customers and includes a number of those large customers, like you said.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#9

Okay. Great. And then maybe just on the SaaS era. It was a really nice jump this quarter. It jumped about $900,000. And if I look at kind of previous quarters, it's being kind of increasing by $500,000 or $600,000 a quarter. Can you just talk to kind of the activity that you're seeing in the base? How many of your clients are expanding and what you're hearing from your SaaS clients in particular in terms of their rollout plans?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#10

Yes. It's just a very good observation there. And it is all about SaaS for us now. We're transitioning our existing customers over to SaaS. That's ongoing and conversations with those who aren't already transitioned over is ongoing as well. And the key dimension to that increased growth was existing customers expanding, and we would hope to see that going forward as a trend in the sense that that's where we expect to see our growth. And all the customers that we have in our base are expanding to 1 extent or another. Some slower, some faster than others.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#11

Would it be fair to say, though, that maybe some are really accelerating their pace of expansion, just given that jump in ARR [indiscernible].

Edmund Ryan

executive
#12

Yes. There are some that are going faster than others, Gavin, for sure. That is correct.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#13

Okay. And then I'll lob in one more before I requeue here. Can you just give us an update on the partner channel, how many partners you now have kind of trained and ready to support customers? And are those partners kind of primarily focused on implementation and support, or are they starting to get to the point where they're getting ready to start selling for you as well?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#14

Not selling, but influencing potentially sales through their network and to their sort of referred. So these partners fall into a couple of different categories. Gavin, there are a number of them. We're seeing a lot of interest coming through from partners now because of our presence in the marketplace, especially with the big pharmaceutical companies. And -- so what we're seeing is that there's partners that can use Kneat to help them to deploy their services to the industry. There's partners who can supply people understand and know how to use Kneat into these big pharma companies where they can now perform consultancy for them. And then, there's partners who can help us to deploy our software as we go forward. So I would say that a number of these partners are customers as well and since they are buying licenses to deliver their services. Also, we're seeing big pharma requesting the supply chain to use Kneat when it comes to large capital projects. So there's a lot of positive in that whole area. And it's early days regarding running at scale, but there is a lot of interest. There's a lot of them being trained. I would say we have a couple of people training on the Kneat academy training almost full time between training customers, trading partners and training our own internal staff.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#15

But when you say that partners are buying licenses, so are they kind of acting as ISVs, or are they kind of white labeling your platform? I guess I just wanted to dig into that a little bit more.

Edmund Ryan

executive
#16

Yes. So some of the partners will be suppliers into the -- in the supply chain, and they would be delivering services such as deploying ERP systems into pharma. And they are using Kneat to help them deliver their services, installing, managing the documentation and testing the software before they go live within the customer.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#17

So on the CSV side?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#18

On the CSV side, especially, yes. So there's other dimensions to it as well, but that would be the key thing. So integrators that are deploying software, they're able to cut back on their man hours, they're able to save a lot of time. We have a case there that hopefully will come from shortening in a white paper, where it greater saving, a huge amount of money by using Kneat to deploy their services.

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#19

Thanks, Gavin. And the -- our next question comes from Martin Toner. Martin, over to you.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#20

Can you give us some stats around the increased usage of Kneat university, just to kind of give us a flavor for how that's helping and how that's helping build the pipeline?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#21

Yes, that's -- I don't have stats specifically on -- with me right now, Martin, but I would say that just following on from my answer to Gavin there that we have some full-time staff doing training. And a lot of that is to the supply chain and to the partner channels. So -- even two customers also, of course. But yes, we've seen, I would say, in the last 3 months, we've seen a marked increase in that, and I expect it's going to keep going that way. And the partners vary from sort of smaller partners to medium-sized partners and also discussions with the larger type integration partners.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#22

So I know your customers have a lot of cross-functional teams and a lot -- and they're organized globally. I'm just wondering, are there some Kneat users who would be -- who would work on product line -- some product lines that use Kneat and others that don't. And is that a good sort of mechanism for growing internally at your customers?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#23

Yes. So the situation, I'm just trying to understand the question fully. Is that -- do you mean, Martin, where one site may be using Kneat and other sites may not be at this particular point in time on a different line or something that affects this?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#24

Right. Yes. But you could have employees that who touch multiple sites based on the way the farmers are organized.

Edmund Ryan

executive
#25

Yes, absolutely. So I think this is very much a global solution. It's a single instance. And the beauty of Kneat is when you install on your first process or your first line or your first application, then you can expand to multiple applications and multiple processes and multiple lines. But a lot of the people who are a part of the overall quality infrastructure could be overseeing multiple different sites and multiple processes and that discipline across multiple sites. So there's a huge -- that's part of our -- our growth strategy is the expansion of the Kneat -- the lend and expand methodology for the platform.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#26

Super. And last question for me. Can you remind us about how we should model gross margins for SaaS in order to kind of help model gross margin overall going forward?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#27

Yes. So the gross management for SaaS is -- It has gone up in the back end of last year, and that's due to the fact that our professional services would be -- we're not hiring as aggressively in professional services, we would have spent ahead in that area. And as the sales go up, we're achieving more with our professional services team, more sales. The other thing to say is that the people that would have -- when they start, they are not up to speed straight away and takes a bit of time. And as they get up to speed, they become more chargeable and all of that. So...

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#28

Yes. I just want to add, Eddie. So in terms of specifics, Martin, I anticipate that we will be achieving industries -- normal sort of gross margins for the industry into the 70s for sure as we start to scale, et cetera. And then overall gross margins will tend to trend in that direction as the ratio of SaaS revenue to professional services revenue, that ratio moves strongly in favor of the SaaS revenues over time. So our professional services revenue would probably grow a lot less quickly than our SaaS revenue. So hence, sort of trending towards normal SaaS margins -- industry SaaS margins.

Edmund Ryan

executive
#29

Just to add to that, Martin, the other thing is that it's for the business as a whole versus the SaaS aspect of it, everything is fast going to SaaS. So a lot of the on-prem stuff will be sort of moving out over the next couple of years.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#30

Okay. Great. One last question on R&D. I think growth rate year-over-year, it was around 50%. Is that a good number going forward? Can you give us just a little bit of color there?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#31

Again, I would say regarding R&D, we've spent on that. We've created the asset. Obviously, we continue developing it towards vision, but the R&D will not go up as fast as it has been going up relative to the revenues either. So you'll see net improvement in the raw margins as well.

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#32

Yes. And the additional comment I would make there is while the team may not grow as fast, there's obviously -- we're depreciating the intangible assets, and that's part of the increase that use over the last year.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#33

Okay. Congrats on great numbers.

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#34

Thanks very much, Martin. And our next question comes from Christian Sgro. Christian, over to you.

Christian Sgro

analyst
#35

This is Christian Sgro at Eight Capital. Why don't you follow up on Martin's question in there? It sounds like the professional services and R&D teams are are fully staffed or approaching fully staffed. Including those 2 teams in sales and marketing, where would you say Kneat is going to add headcount through 2021, or would you say one or more of those groups are fully staffed and ready for the opportunity?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#36

Yes. That's a good question, Christian. So I would say, yes, you're right in the first thing to say that the professional services and R&D are in a good place. There will be some hiring there. I think there'll be -- there'll also be an analysis of how fast we can grow within our TAM and how we can deliver to the customers. And I think we'll be obviously looking at sales and marketing from that perspective as well. So I think you will see some additions in the sales and marketing area going forward.

Christian Sgro

analyst
#37

Perfect. And one more question from me. It seems globally, we're seeing a prolonged impact from the pandemic and we're all learning to work with the situation with the new normal. Is there any change to Kneat's go-to-market strategy or sales efforts, partner development, given sort of the situation with COVID is fluid? I'm wondering what your thoughts are there.

Edmund Ryan

executive
#38

Yes. So the question there, Christian, is, I guess, how is COVID affecting us in the longer term and all parts of the business. I think, it's fair to say that we're doing well with COVID. I mean, we're operating very well. Challenging at times, of course, but the team is working very well. The customer is -- they are pushing on with their digitization programs. If anything, it's a renewed effort to digitize all aspects of their business, because they are seeing where digitization is helping in this remote environment. And that's very true of Kneat, and we've been told that by our customers. So I think -- regarding -- we would miss, I think, face-to-face in the sales process to some extent. If you say for I suppose in competitors as well. So I'm very happy with the way things are going, and there's upsides to us in the sense we can get sometimes get more done. But we still do miss that sort of marketing piece and the sales piece, especially at trade shows and stuff like that. So we have to do -- put a greater effort online, I think, regarding the sales process and stuff. But it's not negatively impacting us at this point in time.

Christian Sgro

analyst
#39

That sounds good. And Q4 shows that the team has been able to work through. And so we all missed the face-to-face interaction, so hopefully that returns soon. That's all the questions from me.

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#40

Thanks, Christian. And the next question comes from the line of Rob Goff. Rob, over to you.

Robert Goff

analyst
#41

Congratulations on the quarter. In the past, you've talked about your addressable market with your existing clients. Perhaps, could you refresh us on that? And any changes in that view in terms of the timing of realization or the potential scope that you are currently seeing?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#42

Yes. Thanks, Rob. So the addressable market is -- hasn't changed much. We're still working within that whole validation commissioning qualification space, which is a subset of overall quality in the organization. But within that space there, validation umbrella, the total addressable market of USD 600 million annual recurring revenue. And within that, there's probably up to -- we're seeing more processes within there, the customers are now using our product and they're configuring more solutions on it. So if I was talking to you 6 months ago, I might have been saying there's typically 6 or 7 processes now. I'm seeing maybe 10, maybe more and potential more. So these are -- they're not adjacent. They're in the validation space. There's a step in variations of validation, but there are different processes. And if we can go to different process, it's a new user group. So it is the opportunities for expansion to processes and then obviously expansion to multiple sites. So not a lot of change from that perspective. Our focus is on the validation space, Rob, within that. And within that, there's anywhere between 10 to 15 processes that we can address -- work processes at this point in time.

Robert Goff

analyst
#43

And perhaps said that, when you look at the SaaS revenue growth for the quarter, is there any way of diving into it and saying -- or attributing it to new customers, legacy customers either through broader adoption of services or through deeper penetration?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#44

There's a bit of both there. It's expansion of customers. It's related to Gavin earlier on. It's expansion of existing customers, and it's also adding on new customers that are going live maybe being added on, maybe signed kind of 4 or 5 months previously and then they go live within that quarter. So it's a combination of both.

Robert Goff

analyst
#45

Okay. If I may, one last final, it's also a follow-up on a question of R&D levels, where you did say that the pace of growth seen in the quarter would moderate. Any additional color that you might provide in terms of the more modest growth anticipated on the R&D levels?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#46

Yes. So I suppose, we've been adding a lot of R&D over the last year, Rob, and personnel. And we still need to add more there over time, but it won't be as aggressively as we have been. So a lot of these people are now delivering to the velocity. And we're going to leverage that into the future. I'm sure there will be more add-ons, but not as a steep as we have been doing. And certainly, we'll look relatively flat compared to revenues.

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#47

Thanks, Rob. Gavin, I see that you still have your hand up there. So I don't know if that's from the last time or you have another question.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#48

So just a couple of follow-ons for me. I was hoping you could touch a little bit on kind of the Tier 2 and Tier 3 market segments. I mean, obviously, you started out in the Tier 1 space. Can you speak about kind of the readiness of the product and the readiness of Kneat and the readiness of channel to begin to go down market and really start to gain some adoption in clients in those lower peers in the market?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#49

Yes. So yes, so the history is focused on the top tiers, albeit we have added on some smaller customers as well. We are seeing the -- we are getting better at delivering our technology, our professional services team and all that are quicker, faster, and our technology is improving all the time, it's easier to get it consumed by the customer. So the combination of technology and the channels is seen and more activity in sales and marketing is seen as the way to go markets on the smaller customers. Now we made a lot of strides in that. And so that's a combination of these things being enabled together. So it is happening. We are moving down here now as we speak, and we are adding on smaller customers that can give good revenues and are not as difficult to probably get them live.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#50

Do you think that your win rates down market will be kind of the same, or is there a wider variety of competitors, it's a more competitive space as you start to go down?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#51

Yes. I think you're right in that there could be additional solutions that can give an element of value to the lower tiers. And then depending within those lower tiers, how sensitive they are to pricing and that, there can be variations. I don't see any reason why leveraging our success and our referenceability, there's a tendency for even the smaller ones to want to follow suit out where the big ones are. So I think it will be very positive for us.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#52

Okay. Great. And then just lastly for me, just a different spin on the R&D front. Are any new kind of releases coming up, and any kind of new features and functionality that you're going to bring up to the market you'd like to highlight?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#53

No, I would say that we're constantly building the platform towards this vision, and increasing the addressable market size by adding on key features that are applicable to multiple sort of markets and maybe adjacent markets in parallel. So it's a market and we're developing it to be better, quicker and easier to consume all the time. So I think it's a standard development from that perspective, some features here and there that customers are asking for. That will enable them to maybe scale a bit better. And the challenge always is to make sure we bring what's applicable to multiple customers as opposed to individual -- a smaller number of customers.

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#54

Thanks, Gavin. And Martin Toner, actually, you still have your hand up. I don't know if that's your further questions or just haven't taken the hand down. Okay. And the next question comes from the line of Maurice You might identify the organization that you represent, and go ahead with your question, Maurice.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#55

Yes, I'm with [ Canteen ] Consulting in Canada. I'd like to talk, Eddie, a little more about your land and expand strategy. And specifically -- originally, I think you were getting sort of in the middle of these large organizations. And what I'd like to know is, what degree of visibility you've now attained in the top tier of these large global organizations. Has top management really been able to see what you've been able to do for them? And the second part of my question would be, now that you've gotten some good coverage, and congratulations, by the way, with some of these top-tier organizations, I wonder if you could maybe give us a bit of visibility on with their expansion plans are for the product. And I know it will differ from company to company and then within the company's division by division. Can you give us a little bit of visibility on how aggressive their expansion plans are globally across the companies?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#56

Yes. That's a good question, Thanks for that. So the land and expand is really what it's all about for Kneat. is a platform that's designed to be able to -- where the customer can satisfy many applications within the regulated space, especially the validation space. And so as I spoke about earlier, there's anywhere between 10 and 15 subprocesses within that validation space that needs applicable to. And traditionally, we'll enter for 1 or 2 key areas, and then they'll -- once the customer has it live on the first site or the first 1 or 2 sites, then they'll expand that out to the other sites. And expanding to other sites, it's just about training the on the new sites, and then expanding multiple processes, which is -- to the next process of the platform. The beauty about Kneat is that it's easy to -- once you got the platform in, it's very easy to add-on new processes. And customers can even do that themselves or they can leverage our channels or they can leverage our own professional service team, which traditionally has been the way we work with them. So there's a huge opportunity for land and expand. And actual effect, when we talk about our base, we talk about a very strong ARR potential in that base, which is north of $40 million in annual recurring revenue in U.S. dollars in the top 7 big pharma companies. So that's looking at the land and expand aspect of it. So when we started out, Maurice, it was like getting anywhere at all cost. And remember, the first customer, we were like -- we were a team of 25 people, and it took us 1.5 years to get that first customer where they actually decided to pay money for us, right? And really, what happened there was, the product was so good and so easy to use and satisfied business needs so well. But the users -- and we just kept pilot after pilot trying to work our way in there. And the users became so hooked on it, they just thought there's an image ultimate -- you need pretty much [indiscernible] you got to buy Kneat because it's solving the problem, no one else does it as effectively as Kneat does. So that's how we started. And that was like coming in at the engineering level, working your way up and eventually, probably reluctantly from their perspective, getting them to buy from a small company with 25 people. So then as you move on, we began to hit on big customers as we moved along and we began to get maturity. The belief that this product really does work because we were attacking a space that was traditionally paper. I mean, our big competitor is the hybrid paper driven dock management system. And so they began -- well, there is a solution here that can go can go papers all the way. And they said, they began to treat as a mature product, and over time, we began to see customers taking a senior view of it and joined up you and then becoming more of a top-down. We still enter companies to the center, but they -- we don't enter any customer now without it being a corporate decision. I mean, they don't buy enterprise software at a site level at all. Maybe in the past 10 years ago, you might get away with that, but that doesn't happen anymore. It's all centralized. So it is always a central decision. Sometimes the top dog might be just waiting to see how things work out with the users on the ground so that before they say, okay, now this is ready to be scaled out. And then there's companies coming in and saying, oh, we're going to top down all the way, get a big team on it and push it out. So we've got different variations of that. But I would say, it's heading towards the top-down approach with more of the customers now. And I think the digital transformation -- and the market drivers are very compelling, the data integrity aspect of managing all their regulated data and regulated documents. Today, they just can't trust data integrity. And they're being audited for that reason by the FDA and the like. So at the end of the day, it's -- the drivers are huge. Digitization has become the buzzword. COVID is reinforcing that business continuity. So it is really -- I'm really seeing a top-down approach evolving. It's already there in some places, and it is evolving more and more. It's a long way of answering your question, Maurice. I hope I got it all there.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#57

Right. And what kind of visibility are you getting from them on the aggressiveness of their expansion plans?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#58

Yes. I think most customers that we -- proper serious RFP, generally now is detailing, they want it to be achieved. They're typically same, want to get across 12 sites in 2 years, this type of thing, right? So it is a top-down approach from that perspective. And then it may change a little bit when you get in variations of it. But the visibility is they want to report on to see the metrics top management. I'm seeing in some customers want to see the dashboards coming out of Kneat to understand their facilities in the state of control globally. So the visibility is there now.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#59

Okay. Good. And I spent years in corporate banking working with these industries. So I know the -- I know how they should be reacting to your product. But I also worked with the FDA regulators in the U.S. essentially. And just out of interest, what kind of reaction are you getting from the regulator who are getting these reports?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#60

Well, the key thing is the regulators don't tell the customer to use any tool or any system, right? They just have to make sure that they are compliant with the regulations that they are overseeing. So the customer can use paper all day long if they want to, as long as they can produce that regulatory record time and time again for 30 years, if necessary, right? And they can -- you do everything in compliance with the regulations and show that everything is documented and there's data integrity running through it. So they don't do that. Now when the regulator comes to audit them, they will ask for a record. And now today, the audits are happening in the Kneat system where the customer is actually just going straight to that record and being able to show it to the regulator there and then. And what we're hearing back is that the regulators are very impressed with the Kneat system, and that they really like what they're seeing. Now that's as far as I know on that front right now.

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#61

Thank you, Maurice. Thank you. And that concludes today's question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn back to Eddie for his closing remarks, Eddie?

Edmund Ryan

executive
#62

Okay. In summary, we are very pleased with the progress we have made in the fourth quarter and for the full year 2020. And we are very proud of the Kneat team as they continue to develop quality compliant software, continue to win and scale top-tier customers and continue to provide excellent end-to-end customer service. At Kneat, it gives us great pleasure to be trusted by some of the largest global health care companies to support them in their mission, to bring enhancing and the saving to their customers. We're very proud of the relationships we're building with these global companies. Before I finish, thanks to our shareholders, our partners and our team for their ongoing support and belief in what we do. We look forward to the journey ahead, and thank you for your attention.

Hugh Kavanagh

executive
#63

Thank you. That ends today's call. Thank you for your participation.

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