Largo Inc. (LGO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 9, 2021

TSX CA Materials Metals and Mining special 138 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Largo's Battery Day. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded on June 9, 2021. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alex Guthrie. Please go ahead.

Alex Guthrie

executive
#2

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our much anticipated Battery Day. I'd like to go over a couple of details prior to handing it over to our Chairman, who will begin our event. Some of the information you'll hear during today's discussion will consist of forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding future business outlook. We also note that certain key assumptions related to today's discussion are also included within the presentation. Actual results discussed during today's call could differ materially from those anticipated in these forward-looking statements. Participants are reminded that today's call is being recorded, and a replay will be available on our website, just starting after the call. Before we get started, I'd like to go over who we have on the call today and the agenda for today's presentation. We have organized the call into 2 sections, the first section will last around 40 minutes and we'll highlight Largo's overall transformational opportunity. For this particular section, we have Largo's Non-Executive Chairman, Alberto Arias, who will give a brief introduction and highlight the Largo's rationale for strategically developing our Clean Energy division and vertical integration strategy. Following Alberto, we have Largo's newest board member, Mr. Ian Robertson, who will give an overview of the energy storage market, the VRFB advantage and our total addressable market. Next, we'll have Largo's CEO, Mr. Paulo Misk, outline Largo's strategic business opportunity, followed by Largo's CFO, Ernest Cleave, who will highlight the expected economic impact of our new energy storage business model. To end Section 1, we'll open the call to questions. The second section of Battery Day will highlight Largo Clean Energy's business overview as well as our key VCHARGE technical advantages. This section will be led by Largo Clean Energy's VP of Operations, Salvatore Minopoli, and Largo Clean Energy's VP of Engineering, Shazad Butt. This section will last about 25 minutes, and a Q&A session will follow. Lastly, before we get started, I'd like to take a moment to send thanks to all of our frontline workers, who continue to work through these challenging times. We continue to be optimistic about a brighter future as vaccines start to roll out, and our life fully returns to the new normal. And with that, let's kick off the first section of Battery Day.

Alberto Arias

executive
#3

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. This is the day that we've been looking forward to. We will provide details about the business strategy and economics of our newly created U.S.-based Clean Energy division. Our vision is that these plans will be truly transformational for Largo and also potentially transformational to the vanadium industry as a whole. Largo is a vertically integrated vanadium company with a solid foundation based on the quality of its management, employees and world-class mineral assets in Brazil. Largo has the world's largest and highest-quality vanadium producer. Its Maracás mine in Brazil has a unique combination of having the highest vanadium ore grade produces the highest magnetite concentrate grade for vanadium and also have the highest quality of its final vanadium product. These characteristics makes Largo one of the lowest-cost producers in the industry and also a unique competitive advantage in the vanadium industry. The Maracás mine only started production in 2015 and is proud to have a history of excellent social and environmental stewardship and stakeholder engagement. Largo's high-quality asset allow us to continuously expand production and increase efficiencies, which has occurred since we started production. We currently produce around 6% of the world's vanadium supply and now as a leading player in the vanadium industry, we're focused on our customers, their needs and finding solutions for our customer problems using the unique characteristics of vanadium and Largo's high-quality vanadium products. One of such customers is the vanadium redox flow battery, VRFBs. This technology was invented and tested in the 1980s and has been deployed commercially around the world, but at a much slower pace than lithium batteries. The biggest challenge for these batteries has always been how to secure vanadium supply and vanadium input cost, which is by far the largest cost components of these batteries. Late last year, Largo made a strategic business transformation decision with the acquisition of patents associated with VRFB technologies and bring on board the team of one of the leading VRFB's companies. This was the inception of Largo Clean Energy, which is now the first fully integrated VRFB player in the world with unique competitive advantages in the long duration energy storage business. We have developed the clean energy storage business with the formation of our U.S.-based Largo Clean Energy division. We created the foundation of this division through the acquisition of intellectual property that had over 10 years and approximately $150 million of investments to develop a proven and commercially deployable VRFB system and hire a team with decades of experience in the energy storage business. The business model that we will be presenting today will illustrate this unique competitive advantage to our vertically integrated VRFB division and the financial benefits to Largo as a whole. The reasons of this strategic shift of being a pure vanadium producer to become an integrated vanadium clean energy storage business company was based on 3 main items. The first one was our ability to find a higher value opportunity for the company's vanadium products. Our business model shows that Largo should generate more cash flows per unit of vanadium at prices below $13 per pound of V2O5, which is our main product. $13 is by historical standards and excellent level for profitability for our company. And the current V2O5 price is around $8.30 to $8.50 per pound. The second level was the creation of an innovative business model involving vanadium electrolyte rental for its customers. This is the cornerstone of the Clean Energy division's competitive advantage and a source of long-term recurring cash flows for Largo. And this is possible due to the unique characteristics of the VRFBs in which vanadium does not look great and is easily recyclable, unlike in the case of lithium and other battery materials, and you'll hear more of this in this presentation. And the third and last item was that we believe that the success of the VRFB business model will generate additional global vanadium demand and with global growing vanadium demand, Largo is positioned to maximize the full potential value of its existing vanadium mineral assets. In other words, Largo can provide the world with increased vanadium supply through its cost-efficient brownfield expansions of our mines and ore deposits in Brazil. The transformation of Largo's business model should result in a material increase in the company's growth profile and cash flows and less volatility and also increase shareholder value as Ernest and Paulo will show later. And finally, we'll consider that Largo's strategic shift from pure, high-quality vanadium supplier to become a vertically integrated energy storage business in a fast-growing market with key competitive advantage represent a superior use of our high-quality vanadium products for society and shareholders. Our Largo Clean Energy business is the cost competitive, long-duration energy storage solution required by the green energy revolution and decarbonization needs of today's world. We consider this is a deep transformation of the nature of our company, is value for all its stakeholders in a superior business strategy in today's environment. I will now hand it off to our newest Board member, the founder and former CEO of Algonquin Power & Utilities, Ian Robertson, who will talk about the energy storage market and our total addressable market based on our competitive advantage. Ian?

Ian Robertson

executive
#4

Alberto, thanks very much. And as Alberto mentioned, my name is Ian Robertson, and I'd like to welcome you all to the presentation. I recently joined the Board of Directors of Largo to help provide guidance and direction to Largo management as they make this important transformation that Alberto has outlined. It's a transformation from old world, vanadium, I'll say, miner, producer, to that of a green energy transition participants through the production and sale of utility energy storage systems, systems that are needed to facilitate our collective journey to a lower carbon future. As Alberto mentioned, my professional background is that of co-founder of a company called Algonquin Power & Utilities Corp., a USD 12 billion renewable energy and sustainable utility pioneer. Most recently, my partners and I have created the Northern Genesis investment platform with a little over $1 billion focused on sustainability-aligned energy transition opportunities. I'd like to spend the next few minutes providing some background to utility energy storage systems and then wrap up with some specifics around the vanadium redox flow batteries, or VRFBs, the important role they're playing in our energy evolution towards renewables. So let's start with what our utility battery energy storage system, or BES, is and why it's important. I'd invite you to think of BES is performing the function of a bank. In this case, deposits of energy are made to the BES when there's excess energy available in the grid and then withdrawn when additional energy is needed to meet the demands of customers. The BES allows a local electric utility to store electricity that's being generated at a time when supply exceeds demand and make it available for later use by customers when needed. Maybe we can look at 3 ways of how a battery energy storage system creates value for its owner. First, I think the most obvious use for BES is what I call energy arbitrage. We put energy into the battery when energy is plentiful and therefore cheap, maybe we can withdraw and sell it when supply is constrained and fetch the higher price. You can see that such a strategy allows a BES owner to make a profit from the buy low, sell high opportunity. Second of all, there's other less obvious uses for energy storage systems. For example, utilities often use energy storage systems to enhance grid reliability. By way of example, at the Lake Tahoe Electric utility owned by Algonquin, we use batteries to provide power to the Squaw Valley Ski Resort, which was connected at the end of a long radial electric distribution line. And you can imagine that this line was subject to frequent winter storm-related outages. But using the batteries, the lights and lifts remain operational, while our crews were dispatched to repair the down lines. But lastly, and I would actually say most importantly, the application of BES is to help society lower the carbon intensity of our electricity system by allowing greater penetration of renewable solar and wind generation. Since renewable sources produce energy only when god provides the fuel in terms of wind or sun, the ability of a BES to store energy when it's produced and then withdraw it when it's needed, allows us to disconnect the time of production of electricity from its time of use, making renewable energy sources a practical reality for our electricity system. And perhaps as a good example of that. There's often excess wind energy being produced at night. When the wind is blowing, but there's low industrial load. This excess energy could be stored in a BES to be withdrawn during the hottest part of the day for air conditioning and other loads. I'd like to now spend a couple of minutes outlining some of the characteristics of a battery energy storage system. You can understand why we're so excited about the implication of Largo's commitment to flow batteries. There's 2 important characteristics of a BES as we can discuss. Firstly, how fast can energy be stored and removed from the system? Think of it as counting how many lightbulbs the BES can light up at the same time. This is referred to as the power of the BES and measured in megawatts. Secondly, a BES is evaluated in terms of how much energy it can store. And so think of this as measuring how long the BES can keep all of those lightbulbs lit. This is referred to as the duration of the system, and it's measured in megawatt hours. For example, if you hear about a 6-hour system, it means the BES can deliver its rated power for 6 hours. When energy storage systems were first used, they were generally of short duration since batteries were quite expensive. These short duration systems generally had 4 hours or less in storage, and were used to manage short-term interruptions to renewable energy sources. For example, a cloud passing over a solar farm or gusty winds at a wind farm. However, if you want to arbitrage solar or wind energy from night to day or day to night as needed for greater grid penetration of renewal energy, you require longer duration, generally classified as more than 6 hours. The emphasis on carbon reduction is making long-term storage really the norm going forward. I still get a couple of the competing energy storage technologies available for implementing a BES. Firstly, obviously, lithium-ion. They're the same batteries you use in your iPhone and your Tesla. And as you can see from the graph on the right-hand side of this slide, they're the cheapest form of short-duration storage available today. I'll say the growing use of lithium-ion in electric mobility applications is expected to drive continued efficiencies and manufacturing scale resulting in falling prices. Unfortunately, on the downside, lithium-ion batteries currently only last a finite number of charge, discharge cycles since charging and discharging these batteries damages the internal structure. The batteries generally lose their ability to store energy. And I think you probably know that from your iPhone's inability to hold a full day use charge after only a couple of years of use. When used in a BES, lithium-ion cell lifetimes are like between 7 and 10 years. And so you can see from the graph, though, there's really no appreciable economy of scale for using lithium-ion in longer duration system, since twice the duration demands twice the number of battery cells. A pumped hydro energy storage system uses water, which is pumped from a lower elevation lake to a higher elevation lake. And then it's drained back down to the lower lake through a hydroelectric turbine to produce electricity when it's needed. You can imagine that pumped hydro is very site-specific and that you need 2 lakes with different elevations. The capital costs are quite high. So I will say that the longer-duration storage just means you need to drain the lakes down more, which brings reasonable economies of scale, as you can see from the graph. Compressed air is an emerging storage technology where energy is used to compress air, store it in a tank and know that power a turbine when it's released. Unfortunately, the capital cost is quite high. So you can see from the curve on the graph, the economies of scale can be achieved for longer durations by simply building larger storage tanks, which brings us to flow batteries. Flow batteries or batteries where the electrolyte is aqueous, a liquid form, and it's stored in external tanks and pumped through a fuel cell to charge and discharge when needed. And while you can see that for shorter duration, lithium-ion is still less expensive, as duration is longer than about 5 hours are needed, the flow battery definitely comes into its own and it's the cheapest alternative. This is why we're so enthused with Largo's commitment to flow batteries. I'll spend a couple of moments exploring the different attributes of vanadium flow batteries compared to conventional systems such as lithium-ion. For long duration, a battery simply requires more electrolyte. With lithium-ion, the only way to get this is to add more cells since the quantity of electrolyte per cell is fully contained inside each cell at the time of its manufacture. By contrast with the VRFB, since the electrolyte is stored in external tanks, longer duration simply requires bigger tanks to hold more electrolyte. So unlike a lithium-ion based system, the cost of a flow battery on a per megawatt hour basis decreases quite substantially as the duration is expanded. The ability to increase duration without increasing power effectively achieves a decoupling of energy and power within VRFB systems. And lastly, an important superior attribute of a flow battery is cycle life and degradation. Conventional battery cells, as I mentioned, such as lithium-ion are prone to degradation, decay and failure mechanisms from charging and discharging cycles, giving them a finite life. As a result, it's estimated that the battery cells comprising a typical lithium-ion system need replacing every 7 to 10 years. These degradation characteristics are simply not present in VRFB, given the nature of the system, the electrolyte chemistry and it's why the lifetime of a well-designed VRFB does not depend on the number of cycles or the depth of the cycles with demonstrated useful lives of 20 or more years. While it's okay, obviously, to replace your cellphone every couple of years due to the noticeable degradation of lithium-ion cell performance, that's obviously not ideal for grid scale storage. Turning our attention to the side-by-side comparison at the bottom of the chart, I'd like to highlight a couple of the differences between VRFBs and conventional batteries. The first, in my mind, perhaps it should be in yours is one of safety. Lithium-ion batteries are definitely prone to fire and exposure risks. The architecture is eerily similar to that of a hand grenade. Although the materials required to cause an explosion or fire are tightly contained inside the cell, if something goes wrong, there is no way to stop it. Lithium-ion's nonaqueous electrolytes are both flammable and the fumes are toxic. By contrast, VRFBs are inherently safer since they use aqueous electrolytes, which are not flammable and do not react violently with exposure to air or water. Since the active materials are stored in separate tanks, in the rare event, if something does go wrong, the battery can be easily shut down by stopping the flow, which is done by simply shutting off the pumps. This safety concern, unfortunately, is not simply a hypothetical one. There have been history of multiple conventional batteries, which have unfortunately caught fire with sadly first responders suffering critical injuries. An additional attribute that I'd like to highlight is here's recyclability. It's something important as we consider our carbon reduction journey. Once again, there are big differences between conventional batteries and VRFBs due to their respective architectures. For instance, lithium-ion batteries are comprised of complex cells with many thin layers of different materials and trying to separate these materials is inherently challenging. It's maybe even worse because some of the materials are flammable when react with air. To our view, currently, lithium-ion recycling does not really make economic sense. VRFBs, on the other hand, are inherently easy to recycle. The major components of the VRFB are already separated. There's no major hazards associated with them. When you combine this with the fact that the electrolyte contained in these system never degrades and can be reused, the VRFB is the hands down winner when it comes to true recyclability. And lastly, you can see, I didn't highlight the energy density, where lithium-ion batteries acknowledged have an edge on VRFBs. However, for grid scale storage, real estate really isn't a constraint and, therefore, energy density is not as critical as it is for affordable devices or electric mobility applications. And now that we have a better understanding of why VRFBs are more suited for long-duration applications, let's discuss the total addressable market for these systems. The long-duration storage market is poised for substantial growth over the coming decade, driven by a desire to incorporate incremental low-cost renewable energy into the grid. Unlocking the full potential of renewable energy appears to be a top priority for governments and corporates around the world to meet their CO2 reduction and sustainability objectives. This is highlighted by recent government actions and policies aimed at making Europe climate neutral by 2050. Closer to home, President Biden has clearly indicated his priority in addressing carbon emitting energy sources by setting a goal to reach 100% carbon pollution free electricity by 2035 in the U.S. As I mentioned earlier, our conventional batteries such as lithium-ion have won the mobility storage application rates due to their unique energy density qualities. The VRFB is the winning long-duration storage choice for renewables integration. We expect significant long-duration market growth over the next 5 years, with the total addressable market reaching approximately $16 billion worldwide or approximately 49,000 megawatt hours. Largo's goal is modestly to capture only approximately 3% of this total addressable market in 2025 through the company's growth strategy, which will be described by Paulo and Ernest. The key takeaway here from my perspective is that the long-duration market is growing exponentially, and it's a market where our VRFB system is the superior choice. So with that, let me hand it over to Paulo to describe the strategic opportunity that exists with Paulo's -- with Largo's unique business model and its superior VRFB technology. Paulo?

Paulo Misk

executive
#5

Thank you, Ian, for your guidance, for your insight on the energy market and VRFB, in particular. I am in complete agreement with you that VRFBs are the right technology right now, especially for the long-duration energy storage market, which is taking on. We believe that this provides our opportunity to shine both to our customers and to our shareholders, and we have the competitive advantage to keep the moat around our business. There are a few reasons we would like to highlight why the time for VRFB is now. The technology has significantly evolved over the last 4 years and in connection, so has the market that these batteries are ideally suited for. Largo technology has been developed for 10 years, and we believe that's the best technology among the VRFBs. Our battery is already a third-generation and it's ready to be delivered to our customers. We believe the long-duration energy storage market has reached an inflection point, driven by the secular shift in the green energy sector, which is contributing to a significant demand for this type of solution. Renewable energy source will be more and more important in our lives, enabling us to have a greener road to the non-carbon emission energy. As we know, it needs a storage energy system to adjust the time of production and of consumption, as Ian has mentioned. Largo battery brings the missing piece of this puzzle, which is, it has low cost. In January of this year during the presentation at IFBF, Sue Babinec, the Program Lead of stationary storage at Argonne National Lab said, vanadium works today. If vanadium was super low cost and it had a stable price, we could all go home. We will show today how Largo battery has a low cost. And we can ensure a stable deep price with superior technology to address the surging long-duration market demand. Vanadium can constitute between 30% to 50% of the total cost of the entire system and with vanadium being historically volatile commodity, it's a huge challenge for nonvertical integrated companies to commit delivering big batteries in 1 or 2 years' time. For our shareholders, we expect a material drive value at Largo through this unique business combination. We expect to use our vanadium in a higher value use product with our VRFBs. By using our price example that Ernest will speak to a bit later, we expect to increase the value of our vanadium product produced by 60% as compared with the historical average European Metal Bulletin price for V2O5. It means to get a present value in a range of $12.40 per pound for the vanadium that we deploy in VRFBs. This has the potential to drive long-term earnings for Largo. Secondly, part of this value will be in the form of recurring revenue via leases that becomes more stable and reliable with high-quality counterparties, such as utilities and IPPs. Largo will retain ownership of this leasing vanadium electrolyte, capturing the value of the fact that it doesn't degrade and lasts forever. Thirdly, the use of vanadium in a new industry has the potential to increase vanadium demand and could unlock the value of Largo organic growth plan in our vanadium resource at Maracás, develop its full potential. Lastly, Largo will lead a huge inventory of vanadium electrolyte, as Ernest will comment later. For our customers, Largo will provide a battery with the best technology that means not just high efficiency, but also low-cost stack as it has 5x more power density. I'm talking about kilowatt hour per square inch. So we can have less number of stacks, pumps and pipes comparing to any other VRFBs. Largo ensures the availability of the sufficient vanadium supply for large grid scale batteries. We not only want the customer for a 5-megawatt trail run. We want our customer to use that battery with the intention to scale up for larger projects once they are comfortable with our technology. Right now, we are the only VRFB manufacturer that can provide that supply security to be able to achieve of that. Largo has the lowest debt cost, but how Largo will deal with the V electrolyte costs that represent about 40% of the total cost? We have the disruptive leasing model to reduce that upfront cost to compete with any other technology and utilize 2 great aspects of the VRFB. The batteries can last for over 25 years, and the electrolyte does not degrade. All of these aspects led to ultimate results. Largo Clean Energy providing customers with a superior product at a price point similar or lower to competing technology on a CapEx per kilowatt hour basis in a range of low $200 per kilowatt hour. And on a levelized cost of storage basis in that range of $0.11 to $0.13 per kilowatt hour. This new leasing model transforms the current vanadium supply business model of Largo. Currently, our business is to mine vanadium products from the ground and sell the products into the steel, aerospace and chemical markets for onetime revenue only. The current price of vanadium pentoxide today is $8.30 per pound. And we have provided total cash cost guidance of $3.50 to $3.70 per pound for 2021. It's a good margin deal. However, deploying vanadium batteries, it will be even better. With our new energy storage business, we plan to lease the vanadium electrolyte and VRFBs are the biggest cost component to the system. Largo will retain ownership of the vanadium electrolyte and lease electrolyte to reduce upfront CapEx to compete with the existing technologies. Our energy storage business is built up on 3 sources of value that we expect to generate on aggregate approximately $13 per pound equivalent, which means approximately $5 per pound more than the current generated. Note, we have provided a 2021 midpoint guidance of sales of GBP 27.5 million of V2O5. The first source of value is the gross margin from the sales of the battery itself, sounds electrolyte. The second source of value is the present value of the future lease payments on a real asset, vanadium electrolyte, made by the battery customers. And the third source of value is the residual value of the vanadium electrolyte. This could be further deployed in another battery. By the way, it's a very low cost, just need to filter it or convert it to vanadium to be sold in any other market, as V2O5 or FeV. The sum of or the vertical integration with a secured vanadium supply, innovative electrolyte lease structure, a superior technology and a well-seasoned team is a superior VRFB product at a price that provides a competing value proposition to our customers in a long-duration storage market. We have a commercially proven VRFB technology, that's in third-generation product and has been implemented and validated. Not only is the product validated, but we can also provide strong commercial support to performance warranties and long-term operating agreements. Additionally, we expect to be at a price point that is competitive on a CapEx per kilowatt hour basis and an LCOS basis for our long life battery system. Lastly, with our security of supply of vanadium, we can ensure our customers with access to the follow-up capacities at existing batteries and large grid scale batteries. In summary, we believe that this transformation from purely a vanadium supplier to a long-duration energy storage provider will benefit Largo shareholders in multiple ways. First, we have found a new source of potential revenue that provides us with significant growth potential in a total addressable market, so much larger than the current vanadium market. Secondly, the market is not only large, it is a market where the value in use is significantly greater than today's vanadium pentox price and the historical as well. This all leads to potentially higher equivalent volume and higher equivalent price. Lastly, and not less important, as it's an upgrade of Largo purpose, we can participate in the decarbonization efforts around the world and be part of the climate change solution with our renewable long-duration storage product. I'll now, hand it over to Ernest Cleave, our CFO, to discuss the financial impact to our business over the long term and provide greater details to our business plan. Thank you.

Ernest Cleave

executive
#6

Thanks, Paulo, and welcome to everybody joining the call today. I'm delighted to share the economic impact associated with Largo's new energy business model. It is appropriate in this instance to start with the conclusion or key takeaway from this slide. And that key takeaway is simply this, Largo believes that the potential of its battery business represents a substantially more lucrative avenue for monetizing its vanadium than selling vanadium into steel additive markets on a onetime basis as the company currently does. On screen is what Largo believes is a representative example of the economics of the 2 respective business models, our current mining business model and the energy storage business model. The numbers are on a dollar per pound basis. Focusing on the respective margins initially, you can see that the energy business model earns Largo 109% more in margin, or slightly more than 2.1x the margin of the mining business model. Let's focus next on why that is. Under the mining business model, you earn revenue from the sale of vanadium and you deduct your costs, giving you your margin. You no longer own the vanadium and you deplete your resource until it's uneconomical or fully depleted, which is why mining businesses typically attract lower valuation multiples than other sectors. More on this later. The margin in this example is $4.25. Under the energy storage business model, we would create value in 3 different ways. Firstly, we would earn upfront revenue based on the profitability of the battery business. We plan to price our systems on parity with leading alternative storage solution such as lithium-ion, for instance, that's $5.05 in the example. Secondly, we lease the vanadium and electrolyte to the customer. The cost of such leasing is expected to be highly competitive to alternative storage solutions. The reason for this is a familiar one. Batteries such as lithium-ion degrade over time, and the batteries need to be replaced periodically at great cost. Typically, 80% of the upfront CapEx with multiple replacements taking place, especially for very long duration deployments. This source of value is represented by the $4.97 per pound in the example. It's important to again emphasize that the VRFBs do not degrade in the way that other battery technologies do. The VRFB simply shuttles electrons between its different valence states and doesn't degrade. The lease cost of the vanadium is, therefore, priced competitively against the replacement cost of integrated batteries such as lithium-ion. The third and final element is the residual value of the vanadium at the end of the contract. This is a critical aspect. Largo intends retaining ownership of the vanadium, and the vanadium can be redeployed in the next VRFB system or Largo can choose to sell the vanadium, such as to the steel additive industry. This is the $2.36 per pound in the example. The energy storage business is anticipated to have a very competitive CapEx and LCOS, as shown on the screen. Altogether, Largo believes that the 3 elements add up to a more significant creation of value for Largo than its current mining business model. As Largo sells batteries, there is, therefore, a growing asset portfolio of vanadium using the example of the 1 megawatt, 10.8 megawatt hour system shown, Largo would own just slightly more than 226,000 pounds of vanadium at a market value of $7.75 per pound, which equates to $1.76 million. This asset portfolio would grow proportionally to the total deployment of battery systems over time in accordance with Largo's business growth plan. Spending a little bit more time on the concept of building the balance sheet with an asset portfolio of electrolyte rentals, we expect to build a portfolio that will generate a significant yield. The balance sheet is expected to increase from the accumulation of the leased asset portfolio. Largo intends retaining ownership of the vanadium and has the optionality to redeploy its vanadium in new VRFB systems or can sell it into the old vanadium market. Largo is essentially creating a store of value for the company's deployed vanadium in electrolyte, acting as a hedge against potential market fluctuations. As Alberto pointed out earlier, Largo has the potential to enhance its earnings cycle through our new energy business model. This is generated through 2 elements of recurring revenues, which include the rental payments for our leased electrolyte as well as our long-term service agreements for VRFBs. We believe that our anticipated recurring cash flow and predictable earnings cycle will be highly valued by the market versus the volatility typically presented by public mining companies. In summation, this is a truly unique opportunity for Largo and its shareholders. We don't believe that there is a single comparable in the market today with a similar business model. Under our new energy business model, Largo realizes value from 3 new business activities, the profit from manufacturing and selling VRFBs, the vanadium leasing revenues and the accumulated vanadium asset portfolio. Considering the economic impact of the aforementioned, there is a potential higher-value market opportunity based on the following aspects: the new business model and leasing structure discussed earlier represents an approximate 60% increase over the typical benchmark vanadium pricing Largo is generally subject to. There is a new source of revenue expected from the sale of our VRFB systems. And finally, it must be noted that this potential higher-value opportunity for Largo's vanadium is also a CapEx-light opportunity. We expect to invest $4.8 million in 2021 and $3.4 million in 2022. The final point that I'll make is that we believe there exists a significant opportunity for the re-rating of Largo stock. As stated previously, this is an extremely unique business model, which can be considered as consisting of 3 silos or can be evaluated as a sum of parts of valuation opportunity. There is the valuation associated with a green resource company. Largo is, in fact, the lowest cost, highest grade vanadium producer in the world with low impact operations and very strong ESG principles and values. Following on from that is the valuation associated with our leased vanadium electrolyte asset portfolio. Such evaluation could be considered similar to REITs. As our vanadium never degrades and can be continuously deployed for leasing income, it takes some characteristics of assets such as land or real estate. In such instances, you have low cap rates with cash flows that are inverse of the cap rate. For instance, a 4% cap rate is a 25x cash flow multiple and so forth. Finally, there is the valuation associated with clean energy businesses. Businesses such as clean tech or green energy enjoy multiples that exceed many other sectors, especially compared to the mining sector. The summation of these various multiple re-ratings represents an exceptional opportunity for the overall re-rating of Largo's stock. With that, I will now pass the call back to our operator, who will open the call to questions.

Operator

operator
#7

[Operator Instructions] First question comes from Carlos de Alba at Morgan Stanley.

Carlos de Alba

analyst
#8

Can you hear me?

Paulo Misk

executive
#9

Yes.

Carlos de Alba

analyst
#10

Yes. Thank you very much for this very interesting presentation. So the first question that we have is the following. In the slide that Ernest showed with -- you're comparing the economics of the traditional business model you have had up until now and the battery model -- and the battery business, where is the cost of the battery itself, the equipment that you'd be leasing or selling? And where is that included? If you can give us some comments on that, that we really appreciated. The other question, maybe for Ian, is in terms of the 3% long-duration share or market share of the long-duration market that you are trying to -- or that you believe VRFB would -- sorry, the 3% market share that Largo will gain in the long-duration energy storage market, what are you considering that Largo's share of the just VRFB batteries will be? Or in other words, what is the total market share that vanadium flow batteries will represent of the total long-duration market? And then finally, a question for, I don't know, maybe Paulo or Ernest. What are the concerns about building out over time, not only you, but maybe other VRFB producers, a very large inventory of vanadium that doesn't degrade and that eventually, if a battery technology replaces for the long-duration market, the VRFB, what will happen to prices and how can you meet the vanadium prices and, therefore, the value of that inventory and the net present value of your future vanadium sales, how can you get some hedges there or protect yourself in case of that scenario?

Alberto Arias

executive
#11

Thank you, Carlos, for your question. So Ernest, you want to go ahead and answer those 2 questions, and then we'll have Ian answer the last one on the market share?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#12

Yes. So in terms of the cost of the battery, Carlos, the -- if you look at the example that we showed, you're looking at about $214 per kilowatt hour. We're not specifically highlighting what the cost of that battery is. But if I'm being candid, you could infer it out of the example because if you look at our upfront revenue of $5.05, you can understand then that the cost being $3.50 would be a margin there of 30%. So I will just -- I will leave it at that. In terms of your question regarding hedging, et cetera, what we're looking to do at Largo with the new battery division is essentially build long-term value. So we're focused on the long-term pricing of vanadium in our VRFB systems. So we're not focused on short-term disruptions to the vanadium market. If we need to be opportunistic, we can do so if vanadium prices are very high. But as you will recall, those cycles typically last 6 to 8 months. So our focus is on supporting and maintaining the vanadium redox flow battery business as we believe that our returns are much greater in that business than in the conventional steel additive market. So the difference there, you could see it yourself from the example, faster profitability. So it's not that we will -- that we won't ignore opportunities in the market that we could potentially take off from time to time. But broadly speaking, we would like to continue supporting this VRFB business because of the long-term returns that we receive.

Ian Robertson

executive
#13

And it's Ian Robertson speaking. Happy to kind of give you some thoughts on, I'll say, the long-duration storage market and Largo's, I'll say, aspirations to participate in. And first, let me start by saying this is a market which is under transformation. It's one that's poised for growth. As I kind of mentioned in my prepared remarks, the thesis, the primary driving thesis for long-duration storage is to facilitate greater penetration of renewables. We all know that the Achilles tendon or Achilles heel for renewable is the intermittency that comes from the fact that we're not exactly sure when the wind is going to blow or whether it's going to be a sunny day or a cloudy day. And so clearly, a low-cost, long-duration storage mechanism is the holy grail to support renewables. And I think that's fully appreciated by the developers of renewable energy, but also governments who are trying to encourage the penetration of renewables. And so the market that we outlined there, the 49,000 megawatt hours, that is our estimate of the percentage of the broader storage market that it's -- that would be, I'll say, the total addressable market for long-duration storage. And as we kind of look at the penetration of renewables and what the objectives are, that's kind of what's informing that market forecast. In terms of Largo's penetration, in some effects, candidly, I think, given that, as you heard from Ernest, we have the flexibility of being able to price our product, I'll say, competitively against the alternative. And so it's hard to imagine as a guy who ran a utility for -- and built utilities for most of his life, cost is important. You're obviously trying to maintain cost for customers. And if you have a product, which has superior performance characteristics and better cost, it's hard for utility not to buy. And so the fact that Largo has the flexibility of pricing its product competitively against lithium-ion, sort of says, it's hard to imagine if one was putting a utility battery energy storage system in, why one wouldn't choose a flow battery in general, and specifically, we're thinking Largo VRFB in particular, given the proven nature of the technology. And so -- but it's a long way to say that I think what's going to limit the growth and the penetration of Largo into the long-duration storage market, it's actually our manufacturing capacity, which you're going to hear a little bit more from Sal and Shazad a little bit later. But really, so it's about our access to vanadium. Obviously, I think the hope is that this business model allows us to economically expand the resources that we have in Maracás. But the fact of the matter is we only produce so much vanadium. And so I think in some respects, that's going to be one of the limiting factors together with our manufacturing capacity. So I'm not sure if that's particularly informative as to why 3% of 49,000 megawatts, but that's kind of where the background as to where it came from. Happy to kind of answer further if -- Carlos, if it wasn't responsive to your question.

Alberto Arias

executive
#14

And just to highlight, also, we have Paul Vollant on the line if there is any more need on commercial aspects or questions. Paul, would you add anything to that answer or do you think that's enough?

Paul Vollant

executive
#15

Thanks, Alberto and Ian. I think the answer from Ian was very good. I don't have anything specific to add on this subject, but happy to take any other commercial questions.

Operator

operator
#16

The next question comes from Andrew Wong at RBC Capital Markets.

Andrew Wong

analyst
#17

Thanks for the very comprehensive presentation on this business. Maybe a question for Ernest. I just wanted to dig a little bit into the $12.39 equivalent pricing. It looks like Largo is using a discount rate at about 5%. Can you talk about the rationale for using that discount rate versus like a more typical rate that's a little bit higher for Largo's more traditional mining businesses? And I think I can kind of wrap my head around it using a lower discount rate for sort of the leasing portfolio. And if that's the reason why, can you talk about how long it might take to kind of prove out that model so we start seeing that valuation bump?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#18

Andrew, thanks for your question. Great question. We did go through those quite significantly back and forth thinking about discount rates, et cetera. And candidly, had even considered discount rates below 5%. And the reason for that is simple. We are essentially creating a store value. We're creating a portfolio of leased electrolytes or high-quality portfolio with recurring cash flows. But very importantly, the counterparties are high-quality creditworthy counterparties. So if you look at -- even if you look at subordinated debt issued by some of the utility organizations that we'd be dealing with, they would sometimes issue subordinated debt below 3% in any range between 2% and 5%. So if anything, we felt we were walking the middle road, so to speak, like a good broader state basically, but we went to 5%, but we could certainly make the case for much lower discount rates. But that's the reason why. And just -- Andrew, just your second question, just please remind me?

Andrew Wong

analyst
#19

Sorry, say that -- could you -- do you want me to repeat the second question?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#20

Yes. Just your second question again, please.

Andrew Wong

analyst
#21

Yes. So I mean -- so obviously, that 5% discount rate would be kind of dependent on our confidence on that sort of leasing portfolio being built up over time. So what kind of milestones should we be watching core? And what's the time line for building that up over -- is that over 1 year, 2 years? Is that 5 years? Can you talk about that?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#22

Sure. Yes. So essentially, what we're looking at is that 5-year horizon to get to 180 megawatts or 1.4 megawatt hours. So the growth is reasonably rapid. Obviously, we will not be deploying batches this year. We may enter into a number of contracts this year. But the deployments will start next year and then they'll ramp up significantly after that. So for next year, we're looking at 40-megawatt hours, it's about 5 megawatts worth at 8 hours. But in the growth to occur over that 5-year period, such that we're ending at the 1.4 megawatt annual deployment of vanadium redox flow batteries over that 5-year period. So I'd say that the proving ground is somewhere in the middle there over the next couple of years.

Andrew Wong

analyst
#23

Okay. And as those businesses start coming in, how will Largo report that business? Like how should we think -- like how should we evaluate how that business is working versus kind of baseline that you've put out?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#24

Sure. I think the way to model it, Andrew, would be to -- in your models would assume the upfront margin as we've displayed it there. And then amortized, I would suggest maybe just annually over an average useful life of these projects, let's say, 20 years, 25 years and return is the remaining cash flows. But that's how I would recommend you to it.

Andrew Wong

analyst
#25

Okay. And just one last one, I guess, it's more for Ian, actually, since we have him on the call. You've been in the energy business for a really long time. You have a lot of experience on the renewables and energy system side. Can you just talk about some of the challenges that have come up in the past for adopting these kind of energy storage solutions? And how that's changed in the last couple of years? And also just have you seen like a shift from the utilities to focus more on longer duration as opposed to the shorter duration, like we've seen a lot of installations of lithium-ion storage, but not so much on the longer duration side of the redox flow batteries?

Ian Robertson

executive
#26

Sure, Andrew. Thanks for pointing out how old I am, really appreciate that. That's great. I appreciate it. I'm just kidding. Yes. So obviously, Andrew, just the basis of your question, my background with Algonquin that has obviously seen me be a pioneer in renewable energy. And as I'd mentioned in my answer to Carlos, let's face it. The biggest thing that has prevented penetration of renewables has been its intermittency. I will say that before Elon Musk really got going with Tesla, driving down the cost of lithium-ion batteries, there really wasn't practically a nonsite specific way to manage that intermittency. And so while utilities have started or at least over the past decade started to embrace renewables, there was really no way to manage the intermittency. Well, 2 things have happened. One is the cost of renewables has now fallen to the point where there is no cheaper form of generation than renewables. If you need another kilowatt hour and you're a utility managing a grid system, there is no cheaper way to get it than a renewable. That's just the fact today. But you have to manage the intermittency that comes with it. And then the other thing that's been happening is, as I mentioned, Elon Musk has started to drive down the cost of lithium-ion storage. But I think that there is a growing appreciation, both on the part of utilities, maybe on the part of public utility commissions, that recognize that 4 hours of storage, which has kind of been the norm that when a renewable developer builds a solar farm, there's lots of guys who have been co-locating 4 hours of energy storage. That's really not enough to, I'll say, manage and support and address that. Certainly, the data night arbitrage and probably even the intermittency that comes with it. So there's been a push for, but the economics haven't supported longer-duration storage well into flow batteries. Flow batteries, and while it's a technology that's been around for a while, candidly, it hasn't been very practical until, I'll say, the past 3 to 5 years, probably even less than that. I think Largo has been incredibly fortunate to be able to find an organization that had put $150 million and a decade into researching vanadium flow batteries and managing the technology. Paulo had mentioned we're on like generation #3. So I mean, it's not simple technology. Let's not kid each other. The concept is simple, but executing it maybe like many things in this life, isn't trivial. And I think, Largo has been very fortunate to find both an engineering group and a technology IP stack, which has solved it. And so I think we're sitting in a very interesting position from the utilities perspective that there is now a practical, economically and technologically supported mechanism of long-duration storage that makes greater penetration of renewables practical. And I think, as I said, lowest cost source of new generation supported by public policy, man, what's not to like about the positioning of this right now. I don't know if, Andrew, if that's response to your question. I'm happy to continue on. Obviously, there's been a passion of mine for, as you pointed out, a very long time.

Andrew Wong

analyst
#27

No, no, that's great. Thanks for all that color and background. And I appreciate your experience, not so much age, but it's experience that we all know, and I'll leave it there.

Operator

operator
#28

The next question comes from Bryce Adams at CIBC.

Bryce Adams

analyst
#29

I've got a few questions here. I might throw them -- run through them one at a time, if that's okay. The first one is, you compared the product to lithium-ion. I'm just wondering what would a comparison to zinc hybrid or solid-state batteries look like. Would that be a similar comparison?

Ian Robertson

executive
#30

I guess and not -- I'm not wanting to kick the question down the road, but I think Sal and Shazad would have sort of some very specific comments on the technological considerations of different chemistries. But I think clearly, the holy grail of battery chemistry is to find something that doesn't degrade, has reasonable energy density, is not hazardous and has a high recyclability. And right now, VRFBs appear to be that right technology, but I'm going to pause there, and I don't know if Sal or Shazad want to speak to those specifically on those 2 chemistries.

Shazad Butt

executive
#31

I can certainly provide some insight here. This is Shazad. In terms of our competitive position against those, really, I mean, as I've mentioned in the past as well, other technologies they're trying to develop, they're way to a solution currently. And that makes sense. I think bromide, for example, a technology has been around for a long time. Actually, prior to VionX, VionX was Premium Power. Obviously, the LTE acquired the VionX technology. VionX was historically Premium Power working on zinc-bromide technologies and well understands the technical issues associated with it. It was actually abandoned because of these technical concerns, one of which is vanadium redox flow batteries are true flow batteries, where the electrolyte remains in a liquid state. There's no phase change. With zinc bromide type of technologies, there's a phase change that occurs during a discharge. And as a result, there's plating a material that's very difficult to control. And if you can't control it, it actually affects durability of the product significantly. So that technology was abandoned because of its technical issues, and there are many -- yes, zinc is cheap. But there are technical hurdles that need to be overcome, and there are -- those out there that are attempting to do so. But what I -- the reason I mentioned that is that with our chemistry and our product, it's a proven product. It's a proven product, and we have a solution that combines IPs that's very disruptive in the space that enables us to lower our DC system cost as well as this unique business model that enables us to compete in a fashion, where risk is minimal as opposed to these alternative chemistries that are in the process of being developed. So my point is that, yes, there is an opportunity for others to come into this space, but there are hurdles that need to be overcome and technical -- specific technical hurdles that need to be overcome to enable those other technologies, where we have a solution that works today, proven technology. Vanadium redox flow batteries have been around for decades. Sumitomo was proving them at grid scale for decades. So it's not -- and we're able to leverage a proven chemistry and apply over and above that IP that significantly drives our system cost down. So -- we're in a very different commercial position, because of leverage -- the technology advances that we've made on the back of a proven chemistry and a business model where others are trying to invent their way or develop their way to be in that position.

Bryce Adams

analyst
#32

Okay. Got it. My next question is longer term. And I mean, based on that 3% market share that you're aiming for, what volume of Largo's production does that represent? Is that the majority of it being transferred to Largo Clean Energy?

Alberto Arias

executive
#33

Paul, would you like to answer that question?

Paul Vollant

executive
#34

Yes, sure, sure, Alberto. Yes. The capacity of the plant that we're building is 1.4 gigawatt hour. This compares approximately to the current production at Maracás, but we have extension capacities at the mine. And if we see a need to expand production, I think we have option to do so. So at current production, this will equate to about our production.

Bryce Adams

analyst
#35

And fairly balanced then. Okay. Just thinking about the longer-term strategy as well. Going into these long lease agreements, have you started to think about counterparty risk and where the growth of that strategy would be? Is it U.S.-focused to manage that risk?

Alberto Arias

executive
#36

Paulo, would you like to answer that question?

Paulo Misk

executive
#37

Yes. Thank you, Alberto. Thank you, Bryce. It's -- yes, we expect to have -- the main focus is in U.S. market. We are also in advanced discussions with without the U.S. as well. But we expect that roughly 25% of all batteries will be deployed in Europe, 75% in the U.S. And in terms of use, we are focusing on IPPs and utility applications and also in C&I. So that's the main focus on that. Bryce, could you repeat the beginning of your question, please?

Bryce Adams

analyst
#38

I was just -- it was all sort of one question, but counterparty risk and where you would want those counterparties to be located globally? I missed the 25%. You said 75% U.S., what was the 25%?

Paulo Misk

executive
#39

Europe. Basically, Europe is the major office. Although we are looking at some opportunities in Africa as well, even Australia. So I think there is some opportunity there for batteries. And always, we are talking about long-duration storage energies.

Bryce Adams

analyst
#40

Of course, yes. Okay. My last question, Alberto and Ernest both spoke to revaluation opportunities. Thanks for this presentation. We can start to see the step change in the earnings potential. But what about the multiple and where the company could trade at? Have you looked at key competitors in the battery space and what that multiple might look like relative to a primary producer?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#41

I'm not abating the question, by the way. But I'm encouraging you to think about the valuation in a slightly different way. So if you consider our peak production, just Americas right now since expansion or any other measures. It's about 13,200 tonnes, which is 29.1 million pounds that translates into additional margin based on the example that we showed on Page 18 of the slide of about 135 million. So depending on the discount rate that you use, a 5% discount rate on 135 million, essentially add in some item, because you get to redeploy that the netting over and over again, there's $2.7 billion of additional value. And as Ian just commented, it's just shy of $2 billion. So obviously, the valuation multiples in green tech companies are often in the range of 25 to 30 and sometimes are on multiples of cash flow. But there are so many vagaries and so many differences amongst companies, but they certainly enjoy a very high multiple. But I would encourage you to think about just that additional value that's created in the organization. The other -- and it's not related to this question, but just when you do your modeling, something very simple for you to use, Bryce, is every kilowatt hour of deployment is 21 pounds of vanadium. Just that would help you sort of transmogrifying your models and actually using it. But that's my answer on valuation.

Alberto Arias

executive
#42

Yes. If I could add something, as you know, I used to be a research analyst for 13 years, and I follow a number of mining companies, and I look across my career, companies that did have that multiple re-rating. And a good example was Alcoa. Alcoa back in the 1990s came out with the view that they wanted not to think themselves just as an aluminum producer, but something more closer to their customers and trying to solve the customer problems with the unique characteristics of aluminum, and that led to faster growth and a multiple re-rating of Alcoa, which was very impressive and a leader in the aluminum industry. For Largo and the vanadium, there was not such a leader. At least that's my view. And as Largo entered the vanadium world, they wanted to take that leadership position, and we found this opportunity and it's an exciting opportunity, and we are evolving into something similar to what happened with Alcoa and aluminum. I think we are creating something new. And in this new creation, we're solving a very important problem that the world has in terms of energy storage. So I think that's what makes this investment quite unique. And I have not seen across my career a company that has done such a big transformation as what we are announcing today, at least that's my view.

Operator

operator
#43

The next question comes from Lee Cooperman at Omega Family Office. Next question is from Jim Young at Midwest Investments.

Jim Young

analyst
#44

My question is, given the technology that you talked about, the economics that we're discussing and the opportunities available, can you give us a sense as to where we are with respect to the contracts that we're -- you're currently working on? Do you have any of that you can share with us? And what does the sales pipeline look like?

Alberto Arias

executive
#45

Paulo, you want to take on that question?

Paulo Misk

executive
#46

Yes. Thank you, Alberto. Thank you, Jim. That's -- you pointed on crucial thing for us and that we are really focused to get the first contract, but not just the first one. We are in touch with 20 opportunities, so among -- to deploy batteries along '22, '23, '24. But to get the first contract, we are in really substantially advanced discussion, which our batteries have been already elected in terms of technical and economical point of view. We have discussed all the details of the contract. So we are just waiting that this contract being signed. But of course, it's a very big cooperation, which have their own procedures to signing a contract. So it's been taking longer than expected, but it's going to be very imminently to be signed. So -- but anyway, we will update the market when we have this signed and with the appropriate press release, which is expected to be seen.

Alberto Arias

executive
#47

And then maybe the sales pipeline, maybe, Paul, if you can just briefly speak about the sales pipeline?

Paul Vollant

executive
#48

Yes, sure. Regarding the sales pipeline, we're currently pursuing actively about 20 projects on a global basis, that it is totaling several hundred megawatt hour that are in the various phases of commercial development. And we know this commercial discussion have a much longer sales cycle than in our traditional market, but we have opportunities -- we have several opportunities that we hope we can close in 2021. As Paulo said, there is one particular opportunity that we hope to conclude in the very near term. And the most active region are the U.S. for most of these opportunities, and we have also very good lead in Europe, Australia and Africa. Yes. So this is the overall outlook for our pipeline currently.

Operator

operator
#49

Next question comes from Lee Cooperman at Omega Family Office.

Leon Cooperman

analyst
#50

I was trying to express the question before. At the beginning of this conference call, the Investor Relations person said that this was a much anticipated Battery Day call. I think the only thing that's more anticipated is the orders. So show me the beef, where are the orders? I mean I can't believe we have this conference call without any orders to announce. So what is the status of showing orders, which is the proof-of-concept in the market?

Alberto Arias

executive
#51

Paulo, you want to take on that call -- that question?

Paulo Misk

executive
#52

Yes. Thank you, Alberto. Thank you for your question, Lee. We -- when we scheduled this Battery Day for today, we really expected to have this contract already and the orders, we cannot disclose these until we have the approval from our customers. So that's why we -- we cannot say more details about it, but we are 100% confident and all the details regarding technical or economics with these contracts, which will be, got a great example of validation of our concepts, which will be -- we're to going disclosure very soon. So it's it delayed more than expected. It's true. You are right. I agree with you 100%. Just we ask you to be a little bit more patient to get that news, which we're going to issue very soon. But I think that all our strategy is really supported not just by the Largo team originally, but all the new guys from the energy sector, which support and validate those issues. And any content -- commercial contracts that we are taking, all the companies are very optimistic and very happy with our proposition. Because that's opportunity to get a solution for a long-duration storage energy in a very robust way, solving the problem of technical, solving the problem of economics and providing them the opportunity to have a green energy and producing without carbon emissions.

Leon Cooperman

analyst
#53

Well, you sound like it's a sure thing, and it's taken so long. I'm very dubious, to be honest with you. When do you think you'll announce the contract?

Paulo Misk

executive
#54

I think...

Leon Cooperman

analyst
#55

A month away, a week away, a day away? Where is it in the process?

Paulo Misk

executive
#56

I expect to announce next week or close it is.

Leon Cooperman

analyst
#57

Next week, okay. Very good. Well, good luck because it was supposed to be announced about a month ago.

Operator

operator
#58

At this time, I will turn the call back over to Alex Guthrie to proceed.

Alex Guthrie

executive
#59

Thank you, operator. With that, we're going to begin Section 2 of Battery Day. I will remind participants that there will be another Q&A session following Section 2, if you did not have a chance to ask during Section 1. And with that, I will launch Section 2.

Paulo Misk

executive
#60

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. And thank you for your insightful questions during Section 1. We are very excited to begin Section 2 of Largo Battery Day and to answer any additional questions you may have. To kick up Section 2, I'd like to highlight our experienced team here at Largo, who are extremely focused on strategically developing Largo and now our Largo Clean Energy division. We will leverage our existing capabilities and decades of experience, our executive team, which includes financing, developing and building our large-scale projects. Additionally, Largo Clean Energy will also utilize Paul Vollant and Francesco D'Alessio, our in-house sales and trading division, to further accelerate our deployment and growth strategy. In advancing this strategy, Largo appointed Ian Robertson to our Board, the former CEO and Founder of Algonquin Power & Utilities Corporation, who was instrumental in the extraordinary growth of that company. Ian has more than 30 years of experience in the origination and execution of global energy initiatives, with a focus on sustainable development. We have also secured the strategic advisory service of Bart Riley and Jeffrey Chamberlain, both who have extensive experience advancing new materials, launching disruptive products and build innovative companies in energy sector. In the call today, we have Mr. Salvatore Minopoli, Vice President of Operations at MCE and most recent addition to the team. Sal brings over 30 years of energy industry experience to the Largo's executive team, including extensive development and execution of utility-scale projects in energy market, mainly in the U.S. To cap it off, I would like to highlight that Largo's Clean Energy division team also consists of senior technical members, who have decades of specific energy storage experience and have instrumental in developing our superior VCHARGE technology. This team is led by Largo's VP of Engineering; Mr. Shazad Butt, who many of you have had the chance to listen to in our quarterly update calls. With that, I'd like to hand over to Sal, who will kick off the Section 2 to Largo's Battery Day by outlining Largo Clean Energy business overview and our strategic business plan. Following Sal, we will have Shazad taking us to our specific technology advantage and our anticipated cost reduction strategy. Sal, over to you, please.

Salvatore Minopoli

executive
#61

Thanks, Paulo. I appreciate the introduction. And welcome to everyone to our Battery Day. As Paulo said, I'm the newest member of the management team, I couldn't be more excited to be part of it. My excitement is because of the capabilities of Largo and the opportunities in front of us. You know, to me, a successful business is all about serving and bringing value to our customers. And Largo is unique and vertically integrated company with a unique value proposition. The fact that we are the global leader in the supply of high-quality vanadium and have one of the most advanced and commercially available long-duration energy storage technologies allows us to bring unmatched value and service to our customers. Look, we all know that the energy transition is here and the industry is moving fast towards a carbon-free grid. This means continued fossil retirement, continued deployment of intermittent renewables and a need for a long-duration storage. We intend to be the supplier of choice for long-duration storage because we can bring our customers the supply and price assurance of the most advanced and commercially available long-duration storage technology. A true long-duration energy storage technologies, supplying more than 8 hours of storage that is clean, safe, efficient, flexible, easily deployed and does not degrade. So who's Largo Clean Energy? We're an energy storage company that designs and supplies a vanadium redox flow battery technology called the VCHARGE system. Our company is based in Massachusetts, manufactured facilities in Massachusetts and New Hampshire and sales office in Washington, D.C. As Paulo mentioned, our team has decades of experience in the energy industry. Our chief technology team was part of the initial development of our VCHARGE system, and that team has continued its advancement on cost, performance, operation and overall delivery to make one of the best investments for long-duration storage. Our vertical integration permeates throughout our energy business. In order to assure quality and supply of our product for cost control and continued cost improvements, we have committed to this business by investing in in-house manufacturing capabilities. So this combination of certainty on vanadium supplying costs having an advanced and commercially available technology that provides efficient and flexible long-duration energy storage that is safe and does not degrade, an experienced team and in-house manufacturing provides us a competitive edge and allows us to bring unique value to our customers that will make us the leader in long-duration energy storage. Key to executing our business strategy for vertical integration was to identify the right vanadium flow battery technology. As you heard from Ian earlier, vanadium flow batteries have been around since the '70s and has evolved quite a bit over the years. But as we were looking, we wanted to focus on technologies with high efficiency, high energy density, cost competitiveness and commercial availability. While this led us to VionX, which we determined to be the most advanced and commercially available of all the vanadium flow battery technologies that we looked at and, of course, made that acquisition. Our VCHARGE system is the result of over 10 years and approximately $150 million in development that includes significant testing, validation and optimization of cost and efficiency and includes 3 successful deployments in commercial scale applications. The biggest challenge over the past for VionX and other vanadium flow battery suppliers that prevented its fast commercial deployment was the supply cost of vanadium. So now fast forward to today, Largo, the world leader of vanadium supply now owns the patents and intellectual property of a leading-edge vanadium redox flow battery technology, which allows Largo to form a vertically integrated energy division with unique and strategic competitiveness that resolves the challenges of the past. As I mentioned before, the energy transition is this year with a goal of carbon-free energy future. I see our industry continuing to deploy intermittent renewables, but it's clear that the key to achieving the carbon-free goal will be long-duration storage. That's why we continue to advance our technology as the demand for storage will increase and the need to scale it up for more capacity and longer duration continues. Later, you will hear from Shazad, our plan for technology improvements and cost reduction. Regarding our manufacturing strategy, it's simple: create cost, quality and schedule advantages with in-house manufacturing. As we announced earlier this year, we have released the construction of our high-volume manufacturing facilities in Massachusetts for stack manufacturing and in New Hampshire for electrolyte production and container manufacturing. These capabilities will enable us to produce 1.4 gigawatt hour per year of our VCHARGE system. I'm expecting both facilities be a full operation in 2022 and then plan to have our global manufacturing sourcing in place by 2025. Again, it's all about our customers and having in-house manufacturing will give us the ability to control cost, quality and schedule, and deliver our technology to our customers with certainty. As you heard from Paulo and Ian, the long-duration energy storage market is large and growing fast. With our in-house manufacturing supply of vanadium, we're able to have an aggressive, but also a realistic growth plan for our VCHARGE system. Our plan includes the deployment of 40-megawatt hours in 2022 and then increase our production to 1.4 gigawatt hours per year to support the forecasted market demand. Again, this market is large, and even with our current growth plan, we expect to only represent 3% of the overall storage market. But with this market potential and our commitment capabilities of being the supplier of choice for long-duration storage, I see tremendous opportunities for additional growth and expansion of our business. So to close out, I want to emphasize that the performance and success of our energy business and the deployment of our VCHARGE system is centered around 3 major factors: the market, our customers and our strategy. The market regions and transmission systems -- the market includes regions and transmission systems with high renewable penetrations and increased fossil retirements that have a need for energy storage of over 8 hours. Our current focus is on the West. Southwest, Southeast and Northeast regions of the U.S. as well as Europe, Africa and Australia. These markets are very active now, and I'm expecting them to continue to grow significantly with new markets opening as grid requirements change, federal and state legislations pass and as corporate commitments mandate fossil-free generation. Our customers include the energy, C&I and microgrid customers. For our energy customers, our VCHARGE system will help serve their need for capacity, energy shift and solve transmission issues. For our C&I data center customers, our VCHARGE systems will provide them with clean, safe, reliable and fast responding energy storage to eliminate their need for backup fossil generation. And for our microgrid customers, our VCHARGE system is going to help enable reliable off-grid generation closer to load centers and help create a more resilient system. As for our strategy, well, that's simple, but unique and includes the supply of the most advanced and cost-effective, long-duration storage technology by fully leveraging our industry-leading VCHARGE system with our vanadium supply capabilities and our in-house manufacturing global sourcing. We're also providing customers with flexible contracting strategies that include not only equipment supply, but also fully wrapped EPC contracts, long-term service agreements and joint project development. So with that, I want to thank you for your time, and I'll turn it over to Shazad Butt, who will detail the specific technical advantages of our VCHARGE system as well as our cost reduction strategy. Shazad?

Shazad Butt

executive
#62

Thank you, Sal, and I'd also like to extend my thanks to everyone on the call for giving me this opportunity to talk about our product today. As I've mentioned in the past, vanadium flow batteries have been around for many years; however, never commercialized due to market readiness, performance and cost. We designed our VCHARGE system, leveraging a 20-year proven vanadium chemistry and applying disruptive flow battery innovations that resolve the historic costs and performance issues. And we fortunately have completed this at a time when the market recognizes the need for long-duration grid scale batteries. The VCHARGE system was specifically designed using automotive product development discipline to meet and align with the grid scale, needs of lifetime durability, availability and safety. And I'd like to emphasize safety here for a moment by stating that our chemistry is nonflammable. Hence, there's no risk of thermal runaway, as in the case of lithium-ion technology.For those that aren't familiar, vanadium redox flow batteries are batteries in which energy is stored in liquid electrolyte. And battery stacks, the power producing components, are used to charge and discharge that electrolyte. In our design, electrolyte is pumped from ISO containers to the stacks -- housing stack containers, where it's charged or discharged and then returned to the containers for storage. In the case of flow batteries, both power and energy components can be scaled independently. And we've capitalized on this virtue in our design, unlike some of our competitors, where all power producing components are packaged in the central 40-foot container. And energy is stored in electrolyte, and in the 20-foot ISO containers positioned on each side. That's in the diagram shown on the screen. The 1.2 megawatt building block shown on this slide can be delivered in a range of 4 to 10 hours in duration, depending on how many electrolyte containers and electrolyte -- how much electrolyte be packaged with the power containers. This design enables us to optimize our product to meet the needs of the customers' specific application and to do that at the lowest cost. Another point to make here is that flow batteries are optimal for long duration from a cost perspective. We scale our batteries -- as we scale our batteries for energy, all we are adding is the cost of electrolyte and storage containers and not having to pay for power producing components. This is unlike the case of lithium, where the ratio of power and energy is fixed at the level of the cell. And when one scales for energy, one also has to pay for power producing components. The last point I'll make here on this slide is that there is no degradation that occurs over our batteries lifetime. The vanadium in our battery is not consumed or changed. It's the same on day 1 as it is at 25 years later and fully recyclable. This recyclability is what provides the basis for very unique business model and that we can now actually implement with Largo's acquisition of this technology. I'm now going to talk about our key differentiations that enable our advanced battery solution. Again, flow batteries, as Sal pointed out, have been around since the '70s and low power density and high cost that play flow batteries for years. The world of flow battery developers are working on solving this problem primarily by way of invention of new chemistries, which takes on significant technical risk. We, LCEs team, have solved this problem with a combination of proprietary stack full field design, which is mechanical design and active materials optimization. Our competitors are operating at power density -- stack power densities in the range of 100 milliwatts per centimeter squared. And with our innovation, we operate at 500 milliwatts per centimeter square. The result -- this result is 5x -- it's a 5x improvement of power density over our competition. The increase in power density enables us to use fewer stacks, which are significant flow battery cost drivers. In addition, fewer stacks translate into fewer system components, such as pumps and valves and piping, which results ultimately in fewer system components as well and lower cost. This ultimately enables us to deliver a system at the lowest CapEx in the industry. The design approach -- this design approach also enables us to use 20-year standard proven VRFB electrolyte and mitigate taking on new chemistry as in the case of a great number of our competitors. As we continue to leverage this IP and drive our power density higher, this continues to reduce the number of stacks and power producing components and results in lower system CapEx. We plan to continue to leverage this capability to create further cost reductions in future. Now from a durability perspective, in 2014, we designed our first stack, leveraging the power density innovation and immediately subjected it to durability testing. This flow field innovation also includes uniform delivery of electrolyte in the stack, which is required to prevent stack degradation. Our first stack, the data in the left -- on the chart on the left, was our data representing in our first stack. It was placed on test 5 years ago. The stack has been cycling continuously with back-to-back charge/discharge cycles, over 100% of the SoC range since then. To date, it's achieved over 40,000 hours of operation, over 12,000 cycles. And as you can see in the chart, has demonstrated performance without degradation equivalent to over 25 years of performance. The chart on the right is representative of accelerated testing conducted in our laboratories. Using this approach, we were able to demonstrate 40-year life of our current stack design. Flow batteries are theoretically supposed to have this type of performance, but it's not trivial to get them to do so. We are pleased to say that we have designed one that does. Aside from stack design, another critical factor in achieving this level of flow battery durability is electrolyte and system purity. Key contaminants at ultra-low levels cause degradation typically observed in flow batteries. LCE has root cause and identified the key contaminants that cause degradation. And we've developed proprietary purification process that eliminates these critical contaminants from our system. So it's the combination of both proprietary stack design as well as electrolyte and system purity that results in a validation of our systems' durability to meet a 20-plus year requirement. So not only did we actually validate our durability in the laboratory, but we've also conducted grid level validation of our battery's performance. We deployed the first of 3 grid scale batteries in 2015 at Fort Devens military base in Massachusetts. The key purpose of this development was to validate the capability of our flow batteries technology to deliver on grid level use cases, which we successfully accomplished. After doing so, we put the battery to use with daily back-to-back cycles and accumulated more durability data. To date, the system has operated for over 34,000 hours and achieved 2,875 cycles. And as you can see in the chart, we have validated grid-connected system level performance without degradation in the field. In addition to this durability validation, the system has gone -- has done this -- it's done this while achieving availability over 97%. This system was not designed to meet a specific availability target, however, performed at significantly high levels. Our commercial system has been designed with this consideration in mind, and we expect the commercial product to deliver even higher availability than demonstrated here. This combination of validated durability and availability positions LCE to offer product to our customers at the lowest lifetime cost. And now from a cost reduction standpoint, today, we can deliver our battery at lowest CapEx compared to our competitors, leveraging our disruptive IP and power density, efficient system design and inherent long-duration scalability advantage. This is despite our current initial state of low-volume production. But going forward, we have developed a cost reduction road map that continues to leverage our power density IP to drive towards lower cost, in combination with continued value engineering, cost reductions and volume increases. Our planned technical cost reductions, such as controls, optimization, widening -- further widening of the SoC range, power density increases, development of a large scale system design, these are all engineering based and require no invention through 2025. We believe that these actions will enable us to continue to widen the gap between us and the competition from a cost perspective going forward. Our innovation -- innovative design, long-duration scaling benefits and durability enable VCHARGE to be competitive today. Once again, our full battery is in the early stages from a market entry perspective as opposed to lithium-ion that's been in the market for decades. The landscape of our batteries' cost reduction opportunities is great, and as a result, we're confident in our ability to continue to drive cost downward from a technical and volume -- anticipated volume scale-up perspective going forward. That concludes Section 2. And with that, I'll now pass the call back to our operator, who will open the call to questions.

Alex Guthrie

executive
#63

Thank you, everyone. That concludes Section 2. And I will pass it off to the operator who'll open the call to our section session of Q&A.

Operator

operator
#64

[Operator Instructions] First question is from Andrew Wong at RBC Capital Markets.

Andrew Wong

analyst
#65

Thanks for that comprehensive overview. The first question is kind of on the location of Largo's business. It's located in the U.S. Northeast. Does that indicate where you currently see the most potential demand? And are there any limitations from that location in terms of Largo's ability to bid on projects in other regions like in the western parts of the U.S. or in Europe or even Asia or Australia and further parts of the world?

Alberto Arias

executive
#66

Thank you, Andrew. Paulo, you want to talk about the locations of our business and where we are going?

Paulo Misk

executive
#67

Hello. Can you hear me?

Alberto Arias

executive
#68

Yes, now we can hear you. Yes.

Paulo Misk

executive
#69

Okay. Sorry.

Alberto Arias

executive
#70

You got Andrew's question?

Paulo Misk

executive
#71

Yes. Andrew, thank you very much for your question. We are located in Boston, where we have our headquarter, have our development center and the stack manufacturing will be assembled. So it's a momentum as we saw. And we have a proposition for the tank electrolytes manufacturing and all the assembly of the stacks and the containers in New Hampshire. We are able to deliver batteries to Europe, and to the total U.S., including California from that basis. However, the electrolyte production we will manufacture in Boston, New Hampshire or we can produce it at the customer's site. So we're not going to delivering water. We are not going to transporting water to the place that we're going to install the batteries. So that's the position, reduce our logistic cost a lot. So that's the way we will deploy the batteries and the strategy to have a low cost of logistics for a while. But of course, we see a very good cost reduction map, not just with any up, as Shazad has said, not just increasing or improving our technology, but also adding a better supply chain and a better manufacturing logistics around the world. So it will take time, and we expect to have much more optimizing structure in the future after 2025.

Andrew Wong

analyst
#72

Okay. Great. That makes sense. And then just a question on membranes. Membranes are obviously the other big cost of VRBs. Are the membranes being used similar to the membranes that are used in electrolyzers? And how does the increased interest in electrolysis for hydrogen production? How does that impact membrane availability and costs and development over time?

Shazad Butt

executive
#73

Sure. Yes, thank you for the question. It's a very interesting question. Specifically, in light of our IP with the power density improvements, our stack size is much reduced and, hence, the amount of membranes required in our case is actually much less than our competitors. In terms of our design, membrane may comprise only 1% to 2% from a cost perspective. So it's not as large as a cost driver as it is with our competitors. Nonetheless, we do have our eyes on membranes, and we have been actively working with alternative membrane developers and suppliers and evaluating the products for their performance, obviously, and costs. In terms of the membrane that we use in the stack, it is very similar -- it is based on the -- electrolyzers use the same type of membrane as well as fuel cells, hydrogen fuel cells. So there are a number of producers of this in the world, and there's more traction being gained in that world as well. So we expect to leverage that volume scale-up of production in that space to our advantage and expect that cost to come down as well. So yes, there is opportunity there. We're looking at all those opportunities, but fortunately, it's not as big of a cost driver in our case because of our unique IP.

Operator

operator
#74

Next question comes from Carlos de Alba at Morgan Stanley.

Carlos de Alba

analyst
#75

So could you comment about the feedback that you have received from your customers and experience of the 3 systems that I've heard -- you have already deployed? And to what extent this may have affected or delayed the contract that you were expecting to have signed by now? Maybe it has nothing to do with that, but if you could elaborate on those topics, that will be useful. And then on the global manufacturing footprint that you expect to deploy between now or 2022 and 2025, what can you tell us in terms of where would you looking at be located? Are you thinking about China, Southeast Asia, Latin America, Mexico, given the geopolitical concerns and the restrictions that we may face in the future?

Alberto Arias

executive
#76

Thank you, Carlos. Shazad, you want to talk about the 3 systems and the issues?

Shazad Butt

executive
#77

Absolutely. Yes. Thank you for that question as well. In terms of the 3 systems that we've deployed, there were unique sets of learnings that came as a result of deployment of each one of those. And we took those learnings and applied them to evolve our design. And so those learnings were valued tremendously actually by our customer base. We've been in discussion with a number of customers to date, as mentioned on the call, and all are interested to understand our capabilities and performance of deployed systems. So the value of those systems, the learning has been actually very -- has had a very positive impact on our ability to move forward and actually obtain contracts. Customers want to see that you have actually deployed systems and get performance that we can actually point to and have validated performance grid connected in the field. So in summary, the impact has been positive and actually internally, the value of deployment of those systems to evolve the design to the point of its maturity today is, I would say, essential and has a great impact and value to us internally as well.

Alberto Arias

executive
#78

Yes. And the second question seems -- it was about global manufacturing footprint where we're going. So maybe, Paulo, you want to talk a little bit about that plans for the future on manufacturing footprint?

Paulo Misk

executive
#79

Thank you, Alberto. Yes, the manufacturing footprint for batteries, it's, in fact, real simple. The orders, the parts, most of them is off shelves and we assemble them. So that's the beauty of having this type of battery, which doesn't require a big manufacturing plants or high CapEx to start deploying them. So we understand that the capacity that we are implementing in the Wilmington and New Hampshire, it's enough to -- for the current production of Largo till 2025. It will be enough and further advanced -- further increase of sales. So we did not plan yet, but it will depend how the battery will be deployed around the world to be more competitive. So we are very confident with that strategy that we have today, it will be enough at least till 2025.

Operator

operator
#80

Next question comes from [ Kilang Beras ] at [ Sajal Capital ].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#81

Just a quick question on the CapEx, because I'm a little bit confused. So you have mentioned a CapEx between, I think, $4.8 million this year, $3.4 million next year. But in order to sell the 1.5 gigawatt, I think -- I don't know if I'm very wrong, but we should be expecting like a much higher CapEx number or not? I don't know if that's all -- should we expect much more later like beyond 2023, like multiple times, the CapEx that we're seeing in the first 2 years? I don't know if you can elaborate a little bit on that.

Ernest Cleave

executive
#82

Yes, very happy to. Good question. You're correct, the first 2 years of CapEx you mentioned there is correct. I'll give you a frame of reference over the 5 years, about $35 million for the full 5 years. And just following on from what Paulo was saying, bearing in mind that we're just putting these batteries together. We're not manufacturing every single element of it. So it is an extremely low CapEx opportunity. That's $35 million for 5 years is kind of the number I would encourage you to use.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#83

Sorry, which one? Which was the number you said?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#84

$35 million over the 5-year period.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#85

$35 million per year for 5 years. So $35 million in total.

Ernest Cleave

executive
#86

In total, correct, for 5 years.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#87

And when you -- sorry, let me elaborate a little bit -- actually a little more. So when you say that you are just -- you are not going to manufacture, so who will do it later? Like I'm not understanding that very well.

Ernest Cleave

executive
#88

Look, we are assembling the batteries. So we're taking components from many suppliers and essentially assembling the batteries at our facilities. We are manufacturing certain components. So for instance, the electrolyte containers, we actually were molding those ourselves. So there is some light manufacturing that we're doing. But by and large, we are simply assembling. But obviously, you need light industrial facilities to do that. But that is the gist of it. And the CapEx I'm mentioning is lighter CapEx to enable that assembly.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#89

And regarding your suppliers, like how ready they are to manufacture the part to the size that we're talking about?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#90

Yes. I will hand it over to Shazad. Shazad, you can talk about that?

Shazad Butt

executive
#91

Sure. The very -- another very nice feature of flow battery is that the majority of the components in a system are off-the-shelf components that are available in the market today that we can place orders for. So we -- and we've been working in this space, the team has been working with in this space for a number of years now and have been with the cooperation of a supply base -- an existing supply base. So our -- in terms of our immediate ability to launch and deliver systems next year, the supply base exists today, and we have it in place. In terms of going forward, there will obviously be optimization and cost reduction, second sourcing, that type of activity will occur, which we have not yet done, which we will participate in to drive our costs lower and improve efficiency of the overall supply chain. But yes, I mean, the majority of the parts are available off the shelf. And for those that aren't, we have developed that supply chain over the course of a number of years now for -- and specifically stack-related supply chain, and that's also prepared and ready to move forward. So we're in the process of ramping things up, as we speak, to deliver on the 5 megawatts for next year.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#92

Okay. And maybe the last question, if I may, because you have been mentioning a lot of your competitors. Like -- I don't know if you can talk a little bit about -- specifically about them. I know that Infinity is talking about $100 per megawatt hour of levelized cost of store energy. Australia vanadium, I'm not sure if they have disclosed a number, but it seems that your price is a little bit higher at least than the British. So I want to know if I'm doing something wrong or because you're saying that you are the lowest producer?

Alberto Arias

executive
#93

Right. Ernest, do you want to maybe talk about that -- that question?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#94

I'll have a go, and then I'll ask Shazad to jump in right after me. But one of the things that we have to differentiate here between is the actual battery pack itself and all the ancillary equipment, and installation cost of going and actually creating a grid level application. So from our perspective, we see our major competitors being lithium-ion and our CapEx is certainly competitive with lithium-ion. So I'm not aware of a supplier that can have a fully installed deployment at 100-megawatt hours. So that kind of CapEx from my perspective doesn't exist. But Shazad, please.

Shazad Butt

executive
#95

Yes. I'd say you'll see a couple of things in this regard. One is that in terms of working with customers, specifically looking for alternatives to lithium. So there's a recognition that lithium is not the right solution for long-duration space as it has its limitation. And there are a number of customers out there today that are really looking at all the alternatives and benchmarking the alternatives. Feedback that we've received from our customer base is that we are in reality and the feedback that we've received is that we are the lowest cost position. And our CapEx is actually lowest in that regard. And that is the -- and we believe that that's the case because of the specific power density and our IP and our ability to reduce the overall system size. When we reduce the number of stacks that are required, as I mentioned in the presentation, when we reduced -- increase the power density, we reduce the number of bats, but that has a very significant rippling effect across all the other balance of plant components. When you have fewer stacks, now you need fewer pumps and you need fewer valves and you need fewer -- complete -- if we -- we've done comparisons to alternatives to our product from that perspective. And there are alternatives for our competitors that -- and from a footprint inside a system standpoint, we can compare -- we're half the size of their system. So from a cost perspective, we believe based on our IP inflow batteries, they're very -- we're very differentiated and the lowest cost, and that's been confirmed by the customers. And quite frankly, the announcement that we're soon to make in regards to our first customer, this was a project that was put out to bid competitively -- for competitive bidding, with -- and we were the lowest cost solution. So it's not just -- hopefully, you will hear soon when we make our announcement press release in regards to the project. It will confirm the fact that it was a competitively bid project that we came in actually at the lowest cost in that regard as well. I think that's what -- at least without going into specifics and specific competitive analysis, which I'd be happy to do offline here with specifics, but our IP, I'd say, overall, sets us apart, puts us in a position where technology-driven -- from a technology standpoint, we can deliver the lowest cost solution. And then again, with our unique business model, we tend to be in a position where we can move the cost or reduce our cost CapEx perspective just because of our capability of leasing to vanadium. I hope that answers your question to some degree.

Operator

operator
#96

The last question comes from Jim Young at Midwest Investments.

Jim Young

analyst
#97

Yes. Can you help me understand a little bit more about the ramp-up in the expected sales of your batteries? In 2022, you mentioned you're looking to have about 5 megawatts or 40-megawatt hours that's going to grow over time to 1.4 gigawatts. So can you give me a sense as to what does like 2023 look like, 2024?

Alberto Arias

executive
#98

Paulo, you want to take on that question?

Paulo Misk

executive
#99

Yes. Thank you, Alberto, and thank you, Jim. Jim, we have planned a very consistent growth plan on the LTE. We are expecting to reach 40-megawatt hours in 2022. Just having a perspective of growth, the 180-megawatt out in 2023, 460 in 2024, 920 in 2025 and reach in '26, 1.4 gigawatt hour. That growth plan, when you look at the projects that we have in our pipeline, it's pretty much in consistency. This -- Paul has mentioned that we have 20 projects that we are offering proposals. Most of the projects, which is not a big scale yet, is at about 1 megawatts, 10-hour duration, most of them is for 2022. So it's pretty much in line with what we have in our plan. We have projects to deliver in 2023. Just have an idea, just one of them, which had 30 megawatts, 8-hour duration, meets already 240-megawatt hours. So just one will be enough to deliver more than we are expecting in our plan. And considering for 2023 and 2024, I can comment that we have only 3 projects from these trend that I have mentioned, at 50 megawatts, 10-hour duration, which it will be by far enough to achieve that amount we have planned. So we are very confident that all the projects and the companies, which is in IPPs, they will demand much more than we are expecting. As we had shown, the market is huge, starting out. They are just starting, but it's going to grow in an exponential way. And with the current capacity that we have to date, we are expecting just 3% of the capacity per year. So it's no -- we have no doubt that we will have much more between than we are considering here. We are very conservative at this moment, because we don't like to make any projection, take in consideration expansions in America, taking the full potential in Maracás. There's a lot of regulations that we need to consider regarding the technical and so on. So we have been conservative under -- before 5, we have available today. So we are very happy with this transformational change that we are doing at Largo, Jim. And getting higher value of vanadium, getting to a better market. When I say get better market, I'm talking about the energy sector. It's predictable and stable revenue, which we don't have in a steel industry and enable us to grow even more. Effort, we can easily develop the full potential of Maracás and keep looking for additional sources. So that's basically the overall we have, Jim.

Jim Young

analyst
#100

And Ernest, could you just remind us for -- in 2022 for the 5 megawatts or 40-megawatt hours of battery that you're expecting to deploy, how many pounds or how many tonnes of V2O5 does that require?

Ernest Cleave

executive
#101

So if you're assuming 8 hours, 40 -- so 40 tonnes -- 840 pounds -- 840,000 pounds of vanadium.

Operator

operator
#102

The last question is from Carlos de Alba at Morgan Stanley.

Carlos de Alba

analyst
#103

Just is it possible for you guys to elaborate on the -- or quantify on the opportunity of cost reductions that I think you've shown on Slide 35? There is a path there. And obviously, some general comments about what you're doing. But is it possible to quantify given some range or level of magnitude of the expected cost reduction? And also, are there any investments or cost -- CapEx that you need to do in order to achieve those cost reductions? And if they are not included in the CapEx number of $35 million that Ernest provided, it will be good if you can share with us.

Ernest Cleave

executive
#104

Yes. Let me -- Alberto, let me kick it off, and then I'm going to hand off to Shazad because I know Shazad has specifically prepared a few things in anticipation of this question. We do have a formal cost reduction plan. The CapEx that we've elucidated on this call, the $35 million over the 5 years, it includes all the things that we need to do to achieve those cost reductions. Obviously, some of the other things are volume related, et cetera. But as it relates to CapEx, specifically, that's already incorporated in the $35 million. As to you specifics, Shazad, I'll put you on the spot.

Shazad Butt

executive
#105

No, no problem. Thank you, Ernest, and thank you for the question, Carlos. I mean in regards to the cost reduction road map, I'd say, first and foremost, that there's a decoupling of our cost as a function in terms of our -- and also our price. And from a pricing standpoint, we may -- that there's reductions over the course of time as well that will occur, but they will not be reflective of actually the significant cost reductions that will be occurring over the course of time. We believe that over the course of the next 5 years, we anticipate from an engineering action plan, and I'd say not -- I'd say, actions that are engineering based and not invention based that we anticipate, 40% to 50% reduction in our B2C system cost over the course of those years. And again, I bring that back to from a pricing perspective, that's not all anticipated to go to the customer. Obviously, at this point, we're starting out with our margins, and we expect to grow our margins over the course of time and provide shareholder value with those further reductions in costs that we anticipate.

Carlos de Alba

analyst
#106

So that is -- so 40% to 50% expected cost reduction in the next 5 years?

Shazad Butt

executive
#107

Yes.

Carlos de Alba

analyst
#108

Did I hear that correctly?

Shazad Butt

executive
#109

That's correct, that's correct. Yes.

Operator

operator
#110

At this time, I will now turn the call back over to Alex Guthrie. Please go ahead.

Alex Guthrie

executive
#111

Thank you, operator, and thanks to everyone for joining our Battery Day event. Today, that concludes our event. As I said it earlier, we've recorded this presentation, and it will be available on our Investor Relations section of our website today. So thank you for your time, and I wish you all a good rest of the day. Thanks a lot.

Operator

operator
#112

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating, and we ask that you please disconnect your lines.

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