Lightspeed Commerce Inc. (LSPD) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 17, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Paul Treiber
analystAll right. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. My name is Paul Treiber. I cover Canadian Technology Stocks at RBC. I'm joined by Brandon Nussey, CFO of Lightspeed. Lightspeed is a provider cloud-based POS, or point-of-sale, software for retail and restaurants and also now increasingly omnichannel software. I'll be moderating the fireside chat with Brandon, but you can submit questions through the Q&A tool on the website, if there's anything specific that you'd like me to ask.
Paul Treiber
analystSo first, to start, Brandon, could you just provide a high-level overview on Lightspeed?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes, for sure. Thanks for having us, first of all, Paul. But so yes, Lightspeed, cloud-based commerce platform serving the complex end of the retail and restaurant space. We look for retail segments where inventory is a core part of their business, big bike shops, think sporting goods verticals like that. And on the hospitality side, more full-service restaurant, a little less quick-serve restaurants. This segment of our -- of this market is dominated by legacy systems, typically on-premise systems, and we operate in the cloud. And we're really seeing an acceleration away from these legacy on-prem systems, particularly spurred on by the current situation we all face globally as these retailers and restaurants are forced to adopt more digital tools. So that's what we do. And as we displace this legacy software market, we're now a payments provider for a good sub side of our customers and are soaking up that payment opportunity as we go as well.
Paul Treiber
analystJust wanted to delve into your first comment on this environment. And so obviously, you're seeing adoption of your software at quite a healthy pace, pre-COVID. What have you seen post-COVID as a lot of these retailers and restaurants have to pivot to be more online?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes. We've been promoting omnichannel solutions. So the ability to sell in store, online to digital channels for 5-plus years now. And what we saw, a good chunk of our retailers were using our e-commerce platform already. A good chunk of our restaurants had started to integrate into the various home-delivery platforms and so on as well. But of course, COVID-19 came along and was a massive shock to the system where retailers were forced to close their doors in March and April likewise with restaurants. And so we saw just an immediate uptake of our digital tools starting -- to start with where panic retailers were calling us and saying, "Oh, I remember you talking about omnichannel and e-commerce. Can you get me live tomorrow?" And then likewise, restaurants trying to just deal with the complexity of multiple delivery partners and how to manage all of that ask us for the same things overnight. And fortunately, we are in a position to be able to help them and deliver on that. And now what we're seeing is outside of our base, of course, just this replacement cycle had already started and omnichannel and being digital across platforms is no longer a nice to have. It's a must have, and we're seeing strong inbound demand as a result of that right now.
Paul Treiber
analystAnd just honing into the navigation through COVID, obviously, there was a time when, I guess, April when a lot of things were shut down. And then when you look at your numbers, like the September quarter versus the June quarter, organic growth definitely accelerated. What -- when you look at the various drivers underlying that acceleration, what are the biggest ones that have helped accelerate your revenue growth?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes. I think the customer base, as we start there, is showing tremendous adaptability and resiliency. I think a lot of folks assume the worst. And I think our customers are a more digitally savvy customer base, why they come to us in the first place. So when you look at the September quarter, we're really, really encouraged to see our overall GTV of our customers grow 56% year-over-year. Retailers were growing 35% and our e-commerce volumes were up, I think, 80% versus the prior year. All really, really encouraging stats of just showing our customers and how they're leveraging multiple strategies and our technology to adapt and persevere through this. Even more encouraging, I'll say, is just the pace of new customer additions. To me, we've got COVID, we're all dealing with it. Our customers are making the most of it. But the pace of new customers to me is what suggests when we get through this, and we will, the most encouraging thing is, are we gaining market share during this? And we saw the number of new customer adds in the quarter, they'd just be significantly higher. I think 68% higher than a year ago in terms of number of new customers we brought on in the quarter, 26% higher than just the quarter, 90 days ago. So all really, really encouraging stats. And then, of course, as I talked about in the opening, we get the customer flywheel going of adding new customers that are driving volumes across multiple channels. And now we're increasingly monetizing that through Lightspeed payments. And that's done exceptionally well for us as well. So I think we're proud across the board on the September quarter, where it was a more normalized environment. It wasn't normal, but more normalized. Economies are generally open. Retail and restaurant were generally open across the various markets we serve. And I think we really saw the power of the business model start to play out in that quarter. So -- and we think it bodes well for the long run.
Paul Treiber
analystA couple of follow-up questions there. On the new customer adds, are you seeing increasing amount of switching from legacy platforms in this environment or are they net new? And then are they using Lightspeed compared to a customer that joined maybe a year ago, is a new customer that's joining today? Are they, obviously, are they much more focused on deploying online or e-commerce maybe versus a customer a year ago?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes, for sure. We're definitely seeing the switching. We're definitely seeing this replacement cycle of legacy come to us where they were living with a situation when digital volumes might have been 5% of their business or something that affect if that. And now with the change that COVID-19 has brought on, just no longer being sustainable to try and stitch all this together. So we're definitely seeing those switchers, and we're also seeing -- really encouraged by the pace of just new business creation and the number of brand-new businesses that are coming to Lightspeed. And again, that's part of the replacement cycle in a slightly different manner because if our community loses a restaurant or a retail shop that was on a legacy system, the restaurant or retail shop that replaces them probably isn't going to go use a legacy system that are only going to look to a cloud-based platform like ours. So that's really what we're seeing. And as I mentioned, it was a really strong and encouraging quarter for that on our side.
Paul Treiber
analystAnd Lightspeed payments did extremely well last quarter, I think it was up 300%. The -- obviously, I think e-commerce is fueling that adoption. On the POY side or on the competition side is, how do you see Lightspeed payments position versus the other payment providers that these retailers may be using? And then could you speak to the -- how the experience is better for your merchants having just an embedded payments platform?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes. These markets kind of grew up separately just the way they grew up. There were the software providers that helped retailers and restaurants run their business. It was one category. And then point-of-sale software was often used as kind of the broad-based category to describe it. And that would have been companies like MICROS and NCR and some of those who helped build that segment of the market. And then separate from that, these retailers and restaurants would engage us another company to process MasterCard, Visa, American Express and so on. And those are the classic payment company names that everybody knows. I think in the merchants' eyes and in the customers' eyes, these are distinct markets, but really shouldn't be. The system that I'm using to facilitate a transaction between bike shop owner and customer to just be able to process the payment and recording all that information and simply accepting that piece of plastic shouldn't really need a secondary provider for that. The customer experience was clumsy in that respect. It's 2 providers, 2 support lines, 2 separate contracts, end of the day, trying to reconcile just reports at the end of the day, here's my daily sales. Now what's actually been settled to my bank account. Those are 2 separate ecosystems that they needed to navigate and manage. And as a small business, it's not like they've got tons of resources laying around to do that. So what's increasingly happened now is the integration of Software and Payments. And there's payment platforms now that have opened up that enable software companies to solve this problem for customers, and that's what we're doing with Lightspeed. So to us, the value prop is clear. The value of the integration and single throat to choke, so to speak. We can -- we single contract. We can price it the way we want. We onboard customers at the pace we're accustomed to. And, of course, integrated reporting and reconciliation and so on is a huge driver for these customers. And we're seeing great success. And in payments revenue, 300% higher than a year ago now and better than 6 and 10 of new customers that come to Lightspeed where we have payments available are taking their payments now. And it's -- this is, to us, a natural progression, and it's going to be a growth driver for us for a long, long time here.
Paul Treiber
analystThere's a question from the audience, but I think it makes sense to add it in here, which is in terms of the cloud POS or omnichannel commerce vendors, how does -- how do you -- what are the competitive advantages of Lightspeed relative to other cloud POS vendors?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes. So we kind of break this market down on a spectrum of complexity, and we tend to focus on the more complex end of this. Our customers, on average, are 600,000 or more of GMV a year, which is very different than kind of the start-up micro-merchant and so on. And the needs of a bike shop, a sporting goods store and so on around how to help them run their business are very different. So on that complex end in the cloud space, where we think we -- I won't say standalone, but where we are comfortable with our competitive positioning is, there's a depth of functionality required to do this well for these merchants to help them manage inventory, interface with suppliers, reorder points and analytics around their business. Obviously, the payments integration, we do things like customer loyalty and help to manage that through the platform. And of course, the omnichannel environment of being able to quickly and seamlessly publish their inventory online and manage that from a single database so that you're not managing inventory in an e-commerce site, separate from what you actually have in your physical store. And all of those things, we believe, are core things that are -- that need to be native to the platform. And we've done a nice job of kind of building that breadth and depth of solution. And I think that's what really separates Lightspeed from a lot of the other players who are more focused just purely around the actual commerce transaction itself. The tab went on the countertop in a retail store. We go much deeper into back-office functionality and things that help the merchant run their business.
Paul Treiber
analystSo is it fair to say you're almost like a next-generation ERP for these companies? Yes, like we'll combine e-commerce and POS?
Brandon Nussey
executiveSo we do use that as kind of a descriptor every now and then, Paul, I was saying we're almost a mini ERP for these customers. Of course, that doesn't resonate well with the bike shop owner, but that's how we'll describe ourselves often just to kind of put it in perspective what we do for these customers to help them.
Paul Treiber
analystShifting gears to the product road map, and I imagine with COVID changed priorities quite quickly. What are areas that you have prioritized in this environment? What are -- what's the areas that have been maybe pushed back or deemphasized?
Brandon Nussey
executiveAll things digital, all things omnichannel, of course, come to the forefront. So omnichannel workflows and things that were fine when that was a smaller portion of an overall -- customers' overall business or things that we put out a lot of attention towards the outset. And then started to introduce a lot of new functionality to just help them for our restaurants, launching things like order ahead capability, delivery integration modules so that as orders come in from DoorDash or GrubHub or Uber or whoever, the restaurant doesn't need to manage multiple platforms. They can run all of that through Lightspeed. We've -- for our restaurants, we've done some things like launch or reposition our e-commerce platform for them so that they can start to sell meal kits and a lot of delivery options that way for restaurants. Done a lot of things around curbside pickup and digital wallet and contactless payments and things of that nature as well, just to help merchants during this very difficult time. So I'm pretty proud of that. I think the whole company is proud of how we kind of have quickly reacted and redirected product investment and a lot of good announcements over the past 6 months from the company in that respect.
Paul Treiber
analystWhat ties into this and the adoption of these new features and technologies is, to some degree, is customer churn in that. You've mentioned in the last couple of calls that there may be a higher degree of customer churn in this environment, but then from your data, do you see customer churn correlated or I guess negatively correlated with usage of these newer features, meaning if the customer is not using e-commerce or omnichannel, are they more likely to churn as opposed to those customers that you have that are using these new features and our signs for them?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes, for sure. I mean, we do -- we absolutely see those things internally, and we published some stuff externally as well even before COVID. We -- end of year reviews and so on where we would show that the average Lightspeed retailer because they're digitally savvy, making use of omnichannel capabilities and so on. Customer loyalty, customer targeting technology that we have grown 4 to 6x more quickly than industry average. And of course, we then saw this amplified. I think during COVID, back in March, April, even I was modeling some pretty draconian scenarios of what might happen to our customer base. And of course, they fared much better than broader industry just because they've been able to pivot and adopt and stay relevant during the difficult time. So for sure, we see that, and that's a strong part of the value prop in the pitch we bring to our prospects and customers.
Paul Treiber
analystAnd just also on e-commerce, I imagine there's -- not imagine, there is more and more overlap versus some of the e-commerce vendors, and they've talked about moving into more retail, more POS. How do you see from a long-term perspective, how do you see Lightspeed -- the competitive advantages of Lightspeed relative to more of a pure-play e-commerce vendor?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes. I think we'll stick to some of the customer verticals that we mentioned, right? You're going to come to Lightspeed though you're predominantly going to make your way to Lightspeed because you're running a physical shop, and that's the base on what you're building your business. You're a full service restaurant, you're a physical first retailer and omnichannel is important to you and that you also want to publish your inventory online, you want to be discoverable. You want to do all of those things, but the base on what you're managing your business is rooted in the physical, and that's why you're coming to Lightspeed. There's a complexity to managing that inventory. I mean you've got multiple locations you're trying to manage through and so on. And that's very different than if you're an e-commerce first retailer or -- I'm trying to think of the equivalent in the restaurant world, but might not be a good example, where it's just a different environment where you're not managing that inventory and having it on hand in multiple storefronts and so on, it's just a very different type of customer at the end of the day. A bike shop, a sporting goods store, a pet store, a furniture store, these are all core markets of ours. A golf course, where you got a pro shop in a restaurant and you're managing bookings and memberships and subscriptions, and that's our core customer at the end of the day. And we're not trying to be the standalone few product apparel retailer, where that's going to sell primarily online. That's not our -- it's our business and our focus. So it really just comes down to the targeted verticals we go after. And as I said, making sure we've got the differentiation and the platform to remain a leader there.
Paul Treiber
analystI wanted to switch gears to acquisitions. You've been successful in growing organically and also doing acquisitions, I think, in the last 2 years you've done, or you've announced 5 acquisitions. When you look at acquisitions and you look at your product road map or segmentation strategy, what is key that an acquisition would bring to you? What's one of the most important metric or characteristic of the acquired company that you're looking for?
Brandon Nussey
executiveSo we're not looking to -- we're growing quickly. We're doing well. We love our position. Organic growth is paramount importance to us. So we're not looking for fixer uppers. We're not -- when we do an acquisition, there's tons and tons of on-prem, hundreds of on-prem point-of-sale software companies that, all of which make their way into our in boxes from the banking community of potential acquisition sources, but those technical integrations are going to slow us down. They're difficult to do. Customer migrations would be extremely difficult. So we're looking for like-minded growing companies with founders and teams that want to come on board and create a category winner here where the technical integration is understood. Cloud systems coming together, micro services that we can quickly put a road map together as to how we will bring the platforms together because our intention is not to be a company -- a holding company of various point-of-sale brands. Our intention is to run a single platform and go win this category. So that's kind of where it starts, and we're looking for things where we can add value and realize synergies. A lot of the acquisitions we've done have been exceptional businesses at selling that point-of-sale single point solution, where they haven't yet started to grow that average revenue per customer by doing things like omnichannel and customer loyalty and advanced analytics and payments. And that's where we look at these businesses. They're growing the customer base well. They have driven like mind and management teams, the technical integration is well understood. And then we know we can impact go to market, and we know we can impact average revenue per customer by starting to plug in some of the additional capabilities that we bring. And I think it's powerful from a financial sense. And at the end of the day, this -- while we're proud of our progress, we're now 100,000 customers in a sea of millions. There's so much more ahead of us. It's such a -- still a fragmented space and it's a space that's going through a rapid replacement cycle right now. And so we can't get -- going back to where I started, we can't get stuck. We can't get, I'll say, like stuck in the mud. We're not looking for that situation. We're looking for things that are net additive to growth that allow us to go even more quickly than if we hadn't done the acquisition.
Paul Treiber
analystI wanted to speak specifically about ShopKeep, which is your most recent acquisition that you announced, it hasn't closed yet. The -- what do you see with ShopKeep? How do you see the integration strategy relative to other acquisitions? And how do you see the segmentation strategy? And what areas is ShopKeep strong that is additive to Lightspeed and what areas would maybe you'd replace ShopKeep in certain areas with Lightspeed?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes. I mean, ShopKeep is a perfect example of what I just described actually. There were -- we've been talking to our management team for almost 2 years, tracking their progress, exploring. "Hey, if we were to do this, how would we do it" and making sure that we had good alignment there with the management team. They were driven to kind of come on board and make a difference and create this category leader. But ShopKeep has done a nice job of growing to 20,000-plus customers, selling basically a single point-of-sale point solution. They partnered with various companies to unlock omnichannel and loyalty and payments, but the customer experience suffers a bit in that and doing it that way. And so we found -- in terms of the integration, it's going to look a lot like all the other ones we did. We'll start with aligning the brand and the go-to-market teams. So instead of us shooting against each other in the market, we'll align those arrows and leverage the combined scale of the business. Well, of course, bring our payments capabilities and some of our additional modules to help customers graduate on to Lightspeed and leverage some of these capabilities. And in terms of the technical integration, they'll go just as I described, what we're going to take -- we're going to align around a single platform. We're going to take the best of what ShopKeep has got and make sure we integrate that into our core and make sure we continue to serve those customers well, but get the alignment around a common platform going forward. So yes, we're pretty excited. It really strengthens our U.S. presence. The U.S. is obviously our biggest market. And about half of our customers, about half of our business is in the U.S. right now. And again, just echoing my earlier comments, we're proud of our progress, but so much more to make and ShopKeep helps us double down in our biggest market and really build the brand and the scale. And we think those things matter in our space.
Paul Treiber
analystYes, I'm going to jump to a question from the audience, and it ties into one of your last responses just in terms of the replacement cycle and the opportunity there. But one is, they're asking about the ability, how difficult or what's the switching cost for these merchants as they look to upgrade? And I guess related to that is in COVID, has COVID actually reduced switching costs because maybe not necessarily the replacing POS at this point, but maybe just adding something net new like e-commerce?
Brandon Nussey
executiveLet's start with the latter. Certainly, our ability to virtually onboard, and that's the way we've always done it. Mr. Customer, Mrs. Customer provide yourself an iPad, plug it in and then we're going to virtually onboard you through sessions like this. We didn't rely on physical install teams and complicated deployments that way. So that certainly helped us a lot through COVID as we got these panic inbound calls and, "Hey, can you get me live tomorrow?" We didn't have to. That wasn't a muscle we had to develop. That was something that was core to what we already did. So switching costs, they're not complicated at the end of the day. We have import tools that allow you to import inventory, if you are managing it that way. We've -- our installs and our onboarding happen in hours, not weeks and months. And so the switching costs aren't significant yet and it just requires you to take the leap, and that's what COVID has helped give that little push and that extra nudge from these folks who had it on the to-do list, but now, again, can't treat it as any longer being a nice to have, it's now a must have.
Paul Treiber
analystI'm going to wrap up here with my last question. And this -- it's looking out there, which is -- with the vaccine announced last week, successful results last week, if, in calendar year 2021, things get back to normal in terms of the retail environment, how do you see it shaking out for omnichannel? Do you think a lot of these behaviors are permanent and this -- there's no going back to the old way of these retailers growing themselves?
Brandon Nussey
executiveYes. I do think some of the changes are permanent. I think, for sure, what's permanent is that consumers are going to want the choice of being able to be omnichannel to buy online or to buy in-store to return online or in-store and just be able to have their demand satisfied through all of those things. And being an omnichannel provider, at the end of the day, we shouldn't care which direction it goes. And that's really how we see our job. If e-commerce moves to a greater portion of the pie, that's fine with us. We're still going to have the same revenue model of subscription first, layer on payments to help monetize that GMV even further. And conversely, if e-commerce starts to shrink back to more historic norms, that's fine by us, too. And that's really how we see our job of helping our customers meet omnichannel demand, and it really shouldn't impact Lightspeed any way. So that's sort of how we view that.
Paul Treiber
analystOkay. Well, I want to thank you, Brandon. I want to thank everyone on the line, and we should wrap up there.
Brandon Nussey
executiveThanks for having us. Paul, we really appreciate it.
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