Lindex Group Oyj (LINDEX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good morning, everyone. I am Susanne Ehnbage, CEO of Lindex Group, and I would like to warmly welcome you all to our webcast, where we will walk you through the key highlights of our October to December and also the full year 2024 financial performance. I have our CFO, Henrik Henriksson, also joining me in our webcast today. Let's continue to the agenda on the next page. We will start with the highlights of Q4 business updates for our 2 divisions, Lindex and Stockmann, and then look at the financials more closely. We will finish with an update on our way forward. And after our presentation, we will have time for your questions. We can now move on to the next page, please. Let's begin with our business update for Lindex Group as well as for the Lindex and Stockmann divisions. And here, we can take a look at the key messages of the quarter. And I would like us to pause here for a short while and go through a couple of key messages related to the fourth quarter, and we will come back to these topics later during the webcast as well. During the fourth quarter, the fashion market remained challenging and volatile. We have market data indicating from double-digit minus to plus 6% in our 3 main markets during the fourth quarter. Despite the challenging market, Lindex division improved its adjusted operating profit significantly. I'm also pleased with the Stockmann division's continuous profit improvement, both during the quarter and also year-to-date. Successful cost efficiency measures have resulted in these improvement steps. Our ongoing initiatives progressed well during the quarter. And the initiatives that I would like to mention here is, of course, the successful launch of the Lindex division's omnichannel distribution center that took place in November, and I will talk more about these topics later. When it comes to Lindex Group's restructuring program, we have one disputed claim remaining. And finally, I would like to state that our strategic assessment, where we aim to crystallize shareholder value by refocusing the group's business on Lindex, is still ongoing. Lindex Group continues to investigate strategic alternatives for the Stockmann department store business. We communicated in December that the assessment continues and is expected to finalize assessment by the end of June 2025. We can then move on to the next page, please. To sum up our Q4 revenue development, Lindex Group's revenue for the fourth quarter was EUR 273.7 million. The revenue declined by 0.3%, but increased by 0.8% in local currencies. Lindex revenue developed well towards the latter part of the quarter due to improved stock availability and well-received commercial offerings. In local currencies, the Lindex division's revenue increased by 2.3%. The Stockmann division's revenue decreased by 1.4% due to lower sales in the fashion category. The Stockmann division's Beauty and Food performed well, and Home remained at the comparison period level. The group's adjusted operating result increased clearly to EUR 36.1 million. Lindex division's adjusted operating result increased due to higher gross profit and also a good cost control. Stockmann division's adjusted operating results increased due to lower costs and also improved gross margin. Let's then take a look at the next slide, please. To sum up our financial performance in January to December 2024, the Lindex Group's revenue was EUR 940.1 million. The revenue declined by 1.2%. Regarding our full year performance, weaker purchasing power and low consumer confidence continue to affect the demand on our main markets and impacted the group's revenue and results. The Lindex division's revenue was on par with previous year. The lower stock availability that was caused by logistical challenges in the third quarter was mitigated during the fourth quarter. The Stockmann division's revenue decreased slightly due to continuous volatility in the fashion market, which negatively impacted sales within the fashion category. The Lindex Group's adjusted operating result decreased to EUR 74.9 million due to mainly lower gross profit and continued investments in the Lindex division related to future growth projects. Stockmann division's adjusted operating results improved due to successful cost savings and improved gross margins. Let's take then a look at the next slide, please. Here, you can see the Lindex Group's revenue split by division, markets and categories. The share of the Lindex division is 2/3 of the revenue. Sweden remains the Lindex Group's biggest market with 35%. And the third chart tells clearly that fashion is our key category. It generates 79% of the group's revenue. Beauty is the second biggest category with an 8% share of the revenue. The Lindex Group has a strong market position in the Nordics and the Baltics as well through global partnerships. In 2024, the number of Lindex stores grew with 3 stores to 442. And during the year, Lindex opened 11 stores and closed 8 stores. Share of the digital sales increased by 1 percentage point to 18%. In addition, the Lindex division's physical stores and own digital channels, the company also sells its products on third-party digital fashion platforms like Zalando, [ Boost ] and ASOS. On the next page, looking into the Lindex division, we achieved increasing profitability and the sales growth in the fourth quarter. I think you can take actually the next page as well here. Thank you. And I'm pleased with our strong digital growth of 14.9% during the quarter and an increased digital share. We deliver a strong commercial assortment with kidswear as our best-performing category. And during the autumn, we, in Sweden, introduced StyleMe pilot, and this is a unique online service, helping customers to build a long-lasting wardrobe that reflects their personal style. We received very positive response to the pilot, and we will offer a new program starting in the beginning of March. The launch of our new highly automated omnichannel distribution center was, of course, a highlight for the quarter and I will provide you with more detailed status update on our new warehouse a bit later. We have made further progress in our digital transformation, where we, during the quarter, completed the rollout of new mobile devices to all of our stores. By the end of 2024, we had also transformed all stores in Sweden and the U.K. with our new POS system and where we, in the beginning of the year, had continued with Finland and also started with Norway. To drive our continued online growth, our upgraded digital platform is a key enabler, allowing us to respond faster to our customers' needs and adapt efficiently to support our growth. We have also implemented a new data platform. It not only gives us real-time access to data across Lindex, but also provides deeper insights into key areas such as customer behavior, sales trend and operations. And this enabled us to make faster, more informed decisions and identify opportunities for growth. During the year, we have continued to grow both with new and active customers, and we have expanded our market presence through partnerships and entered new markets with marketplaces. We can also summarize a good progress in our major investments and in the digital transformation as well as in our sustainability and circular transformation. Within the material transformation, one of our material targets is to transition 1% of our virgin cotton to regenerative cotton by 2030. This means that the cotton is grown in ways that maintain solid health and benefits both people and nature. To increase the availability of regenerative cotton, we support farmers in adopting regenerative farming practices and we have taken further steps in sourcing farm cotton. In the end of 2024, we also celebrated Lindex's 17th anniversary around the Lindex organization. And it is fantastic to see the joy and pride among all Lindex employees. The employee engagement is one of our greatest strengths. And we remain a strong employee Net Promoter Score at 60, which is among the top 5% in the consumer industry in the world, which we are pleased with. On the next page then, the launch of our new omnichannel distribution center took place in November last year and that was a significant milestone, marking an important step in enabling our future growth. By the end of the year, EUR 96.3 million had been invested. We are right now in the transition phase, which is planned to continue during the first half of 2025. About 20% of the central warehouse stock is now operated in the new warehouse and the volumes are increasing each week according to our ramp-up plan. The second half of 2025 will be an optimization phase to gradually increase efficiency of operations. Meanwhile, we in parallel are closing our old warehouses. We plan to be fully operational in line with our business case by the end of 2025. With our new highly automated warehouse, we have streamlined our sales channels into one efficient stock operation, enabling sales and e-commerce orders for all Lindex channels. It will reduce transaction costs for e-commerce orders compared to the existing manual warehouse operation, also lower rents and positive effects on our margins. We have a short film of our new highly automated facility, highlighting the key advantages of our new logistic platform moving forward. Let's have a look. 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Great. Thank you so much for showing the video. And if we then continue to the Stockmann vision. In the fourth quarter, we continue to [ prove ] the profitability. And the key factors in this improvement were systematic execution of cost efficiency measures as well as proactive offering and inventory management. Whereas fashion category faced market volatility, beauty and food categories were able to partly mitigate this impact. We saw a growth in our loyal customers amount and share of sales, driven also by the successful campaigns such as the Crazy Days. For Stockmann, 2024 was about focusing on strategy execution to build foundation for sustainable profitability. We continued to elevate the offering by introducing exciting brands such as Mulberry and [ Gilander ] to our customers and investing in our department stores in Helsinki and Tallinn for great customer experience. At the same time, we delivered systematic cost measures, driven especially by continuous operational and organizational efficiency. The automated e-comm packaging and introduction of RFID technology in the fashion category and data-driven start planning serve as great examples. In addition, we have today after the report period, informed that we are planning a change in the Stockmann department store fleet. The rental agreement for the department store in the [ Itis ] shopping center in Helsinki will expire on the 1st of August, 2025. We plan to close the department store and will start related change negotiation concerning the entire personnel of the Stockmann [ Itis ] department store. If materialized, the planned closure would not have a material impact on the profitability or financial position of the Stockmann division or Lindex Group. I would now like to hand over to Henrik.

Thank you, Susanne. And now let's look more closely at the fourth quarter. And please, let's go to the next page. On this slide, we present the Lindex division's revenue and adjusted operating result for the fourth quarter 2024. And for the Lindex division, our revenue increased slightly to EUR 169.1 million. Lindex revenue developed well towards the later part of the quarter due to improved stock availability and solid customer offering. We continued to increase our digital sales for the quarter and I'm happy to share that we increased almost 14.9% of the Lindex division's digital channels. And now the digital channel revenue accounted for 21.1% of the total revenue. Our gross margin increased to 66%, mainly by enhanced inventory management driven by successful digitalization projects implemented in the Lindex stores, in combination with a well-balanced sales mix during the quarter. The comparable operating cost decreased to EUR 67.8 million and this is mainly due to good cost control. And Lindex continued to focus on cost efficiency and process automation to mitigate future cost increases. The adjusted operating result increased to EUR 26.8 million and this is due to higher gross profit and good cost control. Let's move to Stockmann's Q4 result. And on this slide, we are presenting the Stockmann division's revenue and adjusted operating result for the fourth quarter. And as earlier stated, the Stockmann division's revenue decreased slightly by 1.4% to EUR 104.6 million. The digital sales accounted for 15% of the total sales. And the main reason for the revenue decline, both in the department stores and the digital channel was the sales decrease in the division's biggest category, fashion. And the overall fashion market experienced a decline in the division's key markets. In addition, a lowered volume of clearance sales, especially in the digital channels, affected the revenue. And the revenue in beauty and food categories improved compared to previous year, and home category remained at the level of the comparison period. Regardless of the decrease, Stockmann performed in line with the challenging overall fashion market during the quarter and the gross margin increased to 45.4% due to better clearance sales margin and good inventory management. Stockmann continued its successful cost efficiency measures and decreased cost by EUR 0.7 million compared to previous year. And adjusted operating result slightly improved and is mainly driven by cost efficiency measures and improved gross margin. Then we go to the next page, please. And on this slide, we're trying to visualize the division-level changes and their impact on the group's revenue and adjusted operating result during the fourth quarter. The left-hand side shows changes in revenue, which ended up on a slight decrease compared to the comparison period. Lindex revenue decreased by EUR 0.9 million -- I'm sorry, increased to EUR 0.9 million due to improved stock availability. And Stockmann's revenue decreased EUR 1.5 million, driven by the overall decline in the fashion market. Adjusted operating result increased by EUR 5.9 million on group level and the key reason for the increase were lower costs in both divisions and improved gross profit. We go to the next page. And here, we are looking into the group key figures for the quarter. We can see that the revenue decreased slightly compared to the comparison period level. However, in local currencies, the [ revenue ] increased by [ 0.2% ]. Adjusted operating result increased significantly to EUR 36.1 million. Currency rates didn't have any material impact on the group's adjusted operating result. And the operating result came in at EUR 33.1 million and net result improved to EUR 19.8 million and this is mainly due to higher operating result coupled with lower taxes than previous quarter -- previous years. The group's gross margin was improved to 58.1% compared to 57.5% in the comparison period. And earnings per share increased to EUR 0.12 and this is explained by stronger net result. Let's go to the next. And here, we're trying to visualize the full year outcome and the division's impact on the group result. The left-hand side shows the changes in revenue. Here, we can notice that the Lindex revenue decreased by EUR 4.4 million, while the Stockmann decreased by EUR 7 million for the full year. And on the right-hand side, we have adjusted operating result, and it declined to EUR 74.9 million and this is due to lower gross profit together with increased costs. And Stockmann division improved the result with EUR 2.3 million and that's thanks to successful cost efficiency measures and improved gross margin. Then on the next slide, we are looking it from a more historical perspective. And looking at the profitability of the divisions, it's evident that the Lindex division continues to perform well. Lindex adjusted operating result has more than doubled compared to the pre-pandemic levels. And if we look further back, the improvement would have been even higher. Also looking into the Stockmann division has made significant improvements in profitability compared to 2020 and 2021, although it still reports negative numbers. And then please, the next page. And here, we would like to spend a few minutes reviewing operating free cash flow and capital expenditures. And for the full year, cash flow impacted by changes in working capital, mainly inventory and accounts payable, together with lease payments. If we specifically look into the fourth quarter and we exclude the investment in the Lindex omnichannel distribution center, the operating free cash flow landed at EUR 60.8 million versus EUR 67.9 million. And it's the same reason. It's increasing working capital due to lower accounts payable and higher inventories. And investments in the quarter affecting free cash flow was EUR 13.3 million versus previous year, EUR 18.2 million. A few words on the inventories. It increased to EUR 169.6 million compared to last year, EUR 162.6 million. Within the Lindex division, inventories increased mainly due to the logistical challenges we had third quarter and beginning of the fourth quarter, but we also have higher value per piece, a factor to consider, and this is due to changes in product mix. When it comes to Stockmann division, inventories declined due to good inventory management and that's including proactive adjustments of intake levels for the quarter. And by the end of December, approximately EUR 96.3 million of the total omnichannel distribution center investment of EUR 110 million has been paid and it's in line with our financial plan and our project. Then let's go to the next page, please. And this is a slide showing our cash position and it presents the changes in cash position per item from the beginning of the year to the end of December in relation to the same period previous year. And cash and cash equivalents totaled at EUR 114.7 million compared to EUR 137.5 million at the end of December 2024. We can see changes in net working capital coupled with higher lease payments that had a slightly more negative effect compared to previous year, while CapEx and taxes have had a less negative effect. And the fourth quarter, if we just drill down to that, generated a total cash flow of EUR 48.8 million versus EUR 29.5 million in the comparison period. Let's turn to next page, please. And here on this slide, we're trying to illustrate how the Lindex Group's financial position has improved during the last years, which has and will enable future growth. And in the graph here, you can see that the net debt has remained on a good level. Excluding IFRS items, the interest-bearing net debt was positive at EUR 32 million. Equity ratio improved further and reached 61.9% excluding IFRS items and 30% including IFRS items. The lease liabilities under IFRS 16 reporting standard ended up at EUR 603.1 million. And in the Lindex division, the lease liabilities increased by EUR 15.3 million. And in the Stockmann division, the lease liabilities were on par. And the interest-bearing liabilities stood at EUR 82.9 million. Then we turn to the next page. And here, looking into a more broader overview of the performance 2024, we can draw the following conclusion. We have set a growth target aiming for an annual revenue increase of 3% to 5% in the midterm with a clear objective of reaching SEK 10 billion in revenue by 2030. Looking into the performance 2023, Lindex achieved a growth rate of plus 2.7% and is followed by a drop, 0.9% decrease in 2024. If we look at the digital share revenue, its target to reach 30% in the midterm 2024, we achieved a digital share of almost 21% and it's an improvement from 19% 2023. And for the Lindex, the target is to reach 15% adjusted operating margin in the long term. And in 2024, we reached an operating margin of 13.2% compared to 14.3% 2023. We are progressing well towards achieving our financial targets and the financial targets were announced in November 2023 and we will track this progress and these targets annually. And if we turn page, we can see the targets for the Stockmann division. And if we look at the revenue target for Stockmann, its focus for the midterm is achieving growth aligned with market trend. And by market trend, we refer to the addressable market in Finland, Latvia and Estonia and that's comprising fashion, beauty and home categories. Market statistics showed a decline of minus 1.5% for 2024, while the Stockmann division reported a decline of 2.2% in 2024. It is also -- sorry, regarding the cash flow, the goal is to achieve a positive free cash flow in the midterm and this objective will also be supported by the target of improving profitability to a 5% adjusted operating margin in the midterm. The Stockmann division decreased its positive free cash flow from minus EUR 12 million to minus EUR 19.4 million in 2024. Stockmann division improved its positive free cash flow from EUR 20.9 million in 2022 to minus EUR 12 million in 2023. And profitability was negatively affected by a lower result during the first 6 months of 2023, but was partly mitigated by significant cost saving in the latest 6 months. And for 2023, the profitability ended at minus 2% in adjusted operating margin. So if we jump to the next page and just summarize what are the financial highlights for the quarter, and I think we can summarize Q4 with a strong result improvement for both divisions and it was accomplished despite a challenging market environment. And with that, I hand over to Susanne, who will pave our way forward.

Thank you so much, Henrik. And looking then at our way forward, starting with Lindex on the next page, please. We have established a solid foundation to accelerate our global growth efficiently and aligned with our strategy, we have big ambitions focusing on accelerating our growth while continuing our transformation into a more sustainable business and improve the scalability and efficiency of our business. And looking at the next page and ahead of -- ahead to 2025, the Lindex division is geared for growth. We will leverage the full potential of the important investments we have made over the past years to drive our continued global branded and sustainable growth. Our priority 1 will be on growth with the ramp-up and the full operational launch of our new omnichannel warehouse serving as a crucial enabler. Our focus is to grow both with existing markets and partners as well as growing in new markets. As part of our digital transformation, we plan to complete the rollout of our digital store program in Q1, including the implementation of our new POS system. We will elevate on our new digital platform and recently launched customer [ map ] for increased customer experience, strengthen loyalty and to drive sales. And to digitalize our supply chain with increased supplier collaboration is a continued key focus for us going forward. Continue exploring new business models and services as well as driving our circular transformation are important parts of our strategy. In January, we in Sweden, released our new customer-to-customer platform for secondhand womenswear garments. This test will give us valuable insights, for example, to see which garments our customers choose to circulate further, at what price and in what conditions they are sold. If this turns out to be successful, we can look into how to expand this further to more markets. We will also continue to scale up our secondhand offering from 10 stores to 16 stores during the first quarter of 2025 and we also plan for a similar expansion in the second quarter. To reach our sustainability promise and our high set goals, we will proceed our sustainability transformation. Our focus is to reduce our CO2 emissions in line with Science Based Target through continuous work with renewable energy in supply chain and also in our material transformation and circular business models. Within material transformation, our focus will be on increasing regenerative cotton and recycled materials. We will also continue to strengthen women's position in our supply chain through our women empowerment program. Then taking a look at the next page and the Stockmann division strategy. Our key target is to ensure profitability and future growth. The Stockmann division has 4 strategic areas, which are to elevate the offering; grow and leverage loyal customer base, optimize omnichannel performance and improve operational efficiencies. All these contribute both to profitability and growth. On the next page, looking at the Stockmann division's way forward, we focus on strategy execution with important targets to continuously improve the profitability of the business. In 2025, we will further secure the systematic progress in operational and cost efficiency measures aiming at improving the profitability. We will continue further to digitalize our processes and leverage technology. This means, for example, AI tools in product information enrichment and data-driven workforce planning. We'll also continuously look forward and execute opportunities in organizational and process efficiency to improve our competitiveness. We continue to develop our customer-centric offering with clear differentiation driven by premium and luxury offerings, strengthening our competitive position on the market. Another important area is our loyal customers. Relying on our data, we are able to personalize and optimize our communication and campaigns, which will continue to improve during 2025. And finally, we invest in our competitive omnichannel model, led by our Helsinki flagship store and Stockmann.com. With the omnichannel model, we deliver great customer experience in an efficient and increasingly profitable way through the channel that the customers prefers. If we then move on to our guidance for 2025, we expect the revenue in local currencies to be in the range of 0% to plus 4% compared to 2024. The group's adjusted operating result is estimated to be EUR 70 million to EUR 90 million. Foreign exchange rate fluctuations may have a significant effect on the adjusted operating results. With these words, I suggest that we end the presentation part and move on to your questions.

Yes. We have got plenty of questions and we start first with that. You mentioned that Lindex's sales developed stronger towards the end of Q4. Would you say that this trend continued into the next year or this year, 2025?

Yes. Thanks, Marja. Yes, as said, we had a stronger sales development towards the end of Q4. That is correct. But we do not, however, share the revenue development for the start of Q1 yet, but I'm happy to go back on this topic in April.

Yes. Thank you. Then we have a couple of questions regarding the strategic assessment. What is the reason for strategic assessment delay? Is there a reason to be worried as Lindex Group shareholder? Any comments on the disputed claim progress? So they were actually both about the strategic assessment and about the restructuring.

Yes. And regarding the strategic assessment, as we went out with here in December, this is an important project and the Board is putting a lot of effort into this. But this is something that takes time and that's why we also went out with this message that we will give it another [ 6 ] months into this year as well.

Yes. And then we have another question related to the restructuring program. So Lindex has had an option to end the restructuring program simply by dropping the appeal that has been filed in the legal dispute with LahiTapiola. Why hasn't this been done? And does Lindex have the power to decide whether to continue the legal process? Or is it the restructuring supervisor who is impacting Lindex to continue the dispute in court of appeal?

Yes. We appealed on the resolution as we don't agree on the court decision and it is against our claim. We want, of course, to see a resolution that is according to the restructuring program and the current court practice and also fair to the other creditors as well. And ending the restructuring process also requires the cooperation with the supervisor.

Yes. Thank you. And then, have you considered changing the listing of Lindex to Stockholm?

This is not a priority at the moment.

Yes. And still related to the restructuring program, this is last one. So we stay here with you, Susanne. Has an escrow account been considered to be able to end the restructuring program earlier than the disputes are resolved?

We do not speculate on that. So no speculations regarding an escrow account.

Yes. Just a moment. Then we go to [ Itis ]. We have today released a press release regarding the [ Itis ] department store and a plan related to that. And here's a question regarding [ Itis ] and its share of our business. So can you give a rough figure on what share the [ Itis ] department store represents of Stockmann division sales? If you cannot provide a rough figure, can you help us to understand if it represents more or less than a natural 1/8 part of the total department store revenue?

Correct. Yes...

And do you expect material clearance sales in [ Itis ] ? And if so, would that fall in Q2, as a follow-up question?

Good question. So for Itis, this is a department store that has -- that is the smallest, looking at the square meters and therefore, naturally also contributes to a less part of the revenue, if I put it like that, thinking about the question regarding 1/8. So it is a smaller amount. And the planned closure of the department store would not have, as we stated, any significant impact on the profitability or financial position of Stockmann division. And since this is a planned for closing in the end of the summer, we could expect some of this clearance sales to happen then in Q2.

Yes. Thank you, Susanne. And then we stay still a little bit in [ Itis ]. When do you think we could get an estimate of the extraordinary costs associated with closing of [ Itis ]? And in what quarter would you expect it to be taken?

We are currently in the negotiation with [ Itis ]. So this is a very still in early planning. But if we proceed with the plan, we expect to have more clarity on extraordinary costs in the coming months. This would then be taken in the Q3 reporting. And if materialized, the planned department store closure would not, as said before, have any material impact on the profitability or financial position for the Stockmann division.

Yes. Then we go over to Henrik. Just a moment. How much will the annual depreciation increase due to the new warehouse? And will that impact be fully from the beginning of 2025 or gradually during the year? How would you comment that, Henrik?

First of all, we're super excited about this new warehouse. And if we talk a little bit about the warehouse in Alingsas, it will be fully operational in the end of 2025 and we expect it to be fully powered in -- from 2026 and onwards. And there, we will see annual savings of EUR 10 million. During 2025, we will phase out the warehouses that we have in Partille and Boras and we don't expect any major savings to be expected during 2025. So what does that mean? Well, it means that we expect the depreciation to start to impact the later part of 2025 when the OCD is fully up and running. And it's been included in our financial plans and targets for the nearest future.

Yes. Thank you, Henrik. And then we go to cash and Stockmann division. So continuing with you, Henrik, are you able to explain the worsening cash losses in the Stockmann division?

From -- let's see now. When it comes to cash situation, I think we have had -- the net working capital has had an impact. So we're talking about accounts payable. Of course, we've had a better inventory level. But on top of that, we also had additional lease payments impacting the division. And hence, the impact on the cash situation on Stockmann.

Yes. And actually related to this very same topic and when you mentioned the lease payments. So there is another question that are you able to explain the increasing lease liabilities and interest/cash cost more in detail?

I mean, the leases are, of course, impacted by contractual reasons and lease negotiations and that is kind of the main driver of the development of the lease payments during 2024.

Yes. Then we have more opinion -- comment -- or a comment. Maybe you take this, Susanne. How excited would you be to manage Lindex without the department stores if the strategic assessment would be successful and if the department stores would be divested? So a little bit of personal question here to the management.

Correct. Of course, this is not something I would like to speculate on, but my focus is super clear. I want to bring Stockmann division to profitability. That is the first step. And then for Lindex, we have done a great start here in 2024 and 2025 to set the foundation and now to really leverage on the growth. So for me, I have 2 focus areas and I'm focusing very hard on those together with my great teams in both divisions.

Thank you, Susanne. And again, a little bit personal question, maybe to you, Henrik and Susanne. Are there some plans for the management to buy more Lindex shares? So you can only comment on your behalf, but maybe Susanne on behalf of the management and there are, of course, some rules and regulations also on that.

Yes. So of course, the management makes our own decisions when it comes to buying shares, the Lindex shares. But we also need to align and follow the rules in the stock exchange. For example, during a closed window period, we cannot buy shares.

Yes. Thank you. And then we have a very last practical question related to Stockmann and gift cards. Why isn't it possible to pay with gift cards in the Stockmann online store? It's quite a significant negative customer experience to have a gift card and not being able to pay with it. So do you have their comment, Susanne?

Yes, I understand the comment. And the Stockmann gift card is currently available in our department stores, but unfortunately, not yet in the online store. And we understand that as a multichannel gift card would be very useful for our customers and it is under development. So I do hope that we can provide an option into this in the future. But unfortunately, not right now.

Yes. Thank you. Actually, that was the last question and I can't believe this was this straightforward. So now you have an opportunity. We have Susanne and Henrik here. So are we -- are you sure that you don't have anything more to them? No? Then I think that we end the Q&A session here. Thank you.

Thank you so much, Marja, for your support. And thank you also for your good questions. And please be in touch with our Investor Relations via e-mail if something comes up later. And as said, we will publish our Q1 results on the 29th of April. And so I will see you hopefully in April at the latest. So thank you and I wish you all a nice day.

Bye-bye.