MediaTek Inc. (2454) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 30, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorWelcome to the MediaTek 2026 Third Quarter Investors Conference Call. Financial results and presentations for today's call are available on the Investors section of the company website at www.mediatek.com. And now I would like to turn the call over to Ms. Jessie Wang, Deputy Director of Investor Relations. Ms. Wang, please go ahead.
Jessie Wang
executiveGood afternoon, everyone. Joining us today are Dr. Rick Tsai, MediaTek's CEO; and Mr. David Ku, MediaTek's CFO. Mr. Ku will report our third quarter results, and then Dr. Tsai will provide our prepared remarks. As a reminder, today's presentation will provide forward-looking statements based on our current expectations. The statements are subject to various risks and factors, which may cause actual results to be to differ materially from the statements. The presentation material supplement not tier's financial measures. Earnings distribution will be made in accordance with financial statements based on papers. For details, please refer to the safe harbor statement in our presentation slides. In addition, all contents provided in this teleconference are for your reference only, not intended for investment advice. Neither MediaTek nor any of independent providers is responsible for any actions taken in reliance on content provided in today's call. Now I would like to turn the call to our CFO, Mr. David Ku for the third quarter financial results.
David Ku
executiveThank you, Jessie. Good afternoon, everyone. Now let's start with the 2026 third quarter financial results. The currency used here is NT dollar and the average exchange rate for this quarter was TWD 31.99 to USD 1. Revenue for the quarter was TWD 168.1 billion, up 10.4% sequentially and up 18.3% year-over-year. Gross margin for the quarter was 46.3%, up 0.1 percentage points from the previous quarter and down 0.2 percentage points from the year ago quarter. Operating expense for the quarter were TWD 50.7 billion compared with TWD 47.4 billion in the previous quarter and TWD 43.9 billion in the year ago quarter. Operating income for the quarter was TWD 27.1 billion, up 18.5% sequentially and up 22.2% year-over-year. Non-TIFRS operating income for this quarter was TWD 27.9 billion. Operating margin for the quarter was 16.1%, up 1.1 percentage points in the previous quarter and up 0.5 percentage point year-over-year. Non-TIFRS operating margin for the quarter was 16.6%. Net income for the quarter was TWD 28.2 billion, up 14.6% sequentially and up 10.8% year-over-year. Non-TIFRS net income for the quarter was TWD 28.9 billion. Net profit margin for the quarter was 16.8%, up 0.6 percentage points from the previous quarter and down 1.1 percentage point year-over-year. Non-TIFRS net margin for the quarter was 17.2%. EPS for the quarter was TWD 17.5, up from TWD 15.28 in the previous quarter, and up from TWD 15.84 in the year ago quarter. Non-TIFRS EPS for the quarter was TWD 17.92. A reconciliation table for TIFRS and non-TIFRS financial measures is attached in our press release for your information. And that concludes my comments. Thank you.
Jessie Wang
executiveThank you, David. And now I would like to turn the call to our CEO, Dr. Rick Tsai, for prepared remarks.
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveGood afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. MediaTek third quarter revenue exceeded our guidance range again, achieving TWD 168 billion, with an 18% year-over-year growth. This was primarily driven by the better-than-expected customer demand and improving supply. Gross margin for the quarter was in line with our prior expectations. During the quarter, we successfully completed an overseas convertible bond offering of USD 3.9 billion with participation from NVIDIA and Alphabet. This not only strengthened our partnership with key AI infrastructure partners, but also enhanced our ability to secure capacity for critical components for business expansion. In addition, we continue to drive solid progress in our data center and device businesses. For Data Center Demand for our first AI accelerator remains very strong. We have already commenced initial shipments in September and are confident of delivering USD 2.5 billion revenue in the fourth quarter. For 2027, we expect this program to achieve the high end of our revenue target range of approximately USD 16 billion, representing around 20% of the total AI-accelerated ASIC market. This confidence is underpinned by our solid supply outlook. We are working closely with our supply chain partners with additional capacity to meet strong customer demand. Successful ramp of our first AI accelerator marks an important milestone, demonstrating our ability to integrate industry-leading into the net IP, advanced process and advanced packaging technology, together with our capabilities to orchestrate global supply chain. We are now able to deliver a highly competitive custom silicon for data centers. Our second AI accelerated project, the development is progressing well, and we are on track for high-volume production in the first quarter of [ 2027 ]. This trip is purpose built to power our customers' next-generation AI infrastructure. MediaTek incorporates cutting-edge technologies across every critical aspect of the design to deliver multiple times, higher performance [indiscernible] significantly lower TCO. We expect this project to further strengthen our market position and contribute substantially to our revenue growth. Meanwhile, we continue to make solid progress across key enabling technologies, including 448 gig, 33.5G advanced packaging and co-packaged optics. We are also broadening our customer base as we expand our business scope beyond silicon to offer more comprehensive system and rack solutions. We connect custom HPUs to the NVLink Fusion ecosystem through our NVLink Fusion partnership with NVIDIA and we also support NVLink for Ethernet-based AC architecture. This creates significant value to our customers by greatly reducing the complexity of deploying AI infrastructure for different architectures and substantially accelerating customers in to market and time to revenue. We continue to expand engagement with several customers and deepen our collaboration with major industry players across the AI ecosystem. With our proven track record and the substantial value we offer, we believe we will be a trusted long-term partner with data center customers in years to come. On the edge computing side, RTF Spark, IPC, our [indiscernible] integrating NVIDIA GPUs with MediaTek associates became commercially available in mid-October through major PC OEM partners. [indiscernible] brings powerful on-device agent AI capabilities to users and has received strong market interest. Building on this momentum, development of our certain generation SoC is already underway, further expanding our long-term collaboration with NVIDIA. In addition, our flagship Dimensity 9500 is featured in the latest Samsung Galaxy [indiscernible] AI tables. This marks the third infective generation of Samsung AI tablets powered by MediaTek flagship SoC. All of these developments underscore the strength of MediaTek comprehensive AI compute back from edge to cloud. With our established technology portfolio and strong market presence, we aim to capture the exciting growth opportunities across advanced AI compute, physical AI, automotive and AI infrastructure market in the future. With that, I will now talk about the recent business performance for our 3 revenue groups. In the third quarter, Mobile Phone declined 1% quarter-over-quarter and declined 17% year-over-year, accounting for 37% of total revenue. Flagship outperformed in the third quarter as our customers began to introduce new AI flagship smartphones. Our MediaTek associates including our first 2-nanometer Dimensity 9600 grow. Moving on to the Smart Edge platform. This group grew 20% quarter-over-quarter and grew 63% year-over-year in the third quarter, accounting for 58% of total revenue. The significant year-over-year growth was partially driven by the volume production of several new projects including 5G sim modem or a new smartphone customer, new AI tablets, AIPC and automotive [indiscernible]. Our TV associate revenue also improved, reflecting higher DRAM content than a year ago. Moving on to Power IC. This group grew 1% quarter-over-quarter at 18% year-over-year in the third quarter, accounting for 5% of total revenue. The year-over-year growth was mainly driven by share gain in data center-related business. Moving to guidance, driven by the ramp of our AI accelerated business, we expect strong sequential revenue growth in the fourth quarter despite a high [indiscernible] in the third quarter. Our underlying growth would have been even stronger without the seasonal softness in consumer electronics. Quarterly gross margin is expected to be within the current range. We expect our fourth quarter revenue to be in the range of TWD 210.1 billion to TWD 221.8 billion, grew 25% to 32% sequentially and up 40% to 48% year-over-year at a forecasted exchange rate of TWD 31.7 to USD 1. Gross margin is forecasted at 45% plus or minus 1.5 percentage points. The operating expense ratio is forecasted at 26%, plus or minus 2 percentage work. Based on our fourth quarter guidance, we now expect our full year revenue growth to exceed our previous target of high single-digit percentage growth in U.S. dollars. This again showcases the solid foundation MediaTek has built for the AI era, including our diversified Edge AI portfolio and our strong capability to deliver value in data centers. We believe our expanding presence across edge and cloud will pave the way for MediaTek sustainable growth in era of ubiquitous AI. This concludes my prepared remarks. Thank you.
Jessie Wang
executiveThank you, Rick. Operator, we are now ready for Q&A session. May we please have the first question. .
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] First one to ask questions, Gokul Hariharan from JPMorgan.
Gokul Hariharan
analystRick, David and Jessie, congrats on your start of your data center ASIC shipments as well. My first question is actually on your second-generation data center ASIC, there's been a lot of talk in the market about potential delays in design and tape-out, so you just reaffirmed your previous guidance that you are ready for HPM in early 2028 or Q1 2028. Could you talk a little bit about any changes in schedule you have seen? And what exactly are the potential kind of milestones that you're watching all here? And could you also take a quick stab at what your revenue and the market share or TAM and market share potential is going to be in 2028 as you ramp up the second generation ASIC, which is definitely higher ASP and higher performance?
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveThank you for the question. Let me first address the second ASIC product that's [indiscernible]. It is -- as I said in my remarks, it is on track, on schedule. We understand there's some noise about the tape-out schedule. What I want to say, clearly, I cannot say how many guys are on the trip, but for these very, very advanced HPUs, you all know there are multiple dies on the chip. And I can say, clearly, also a couple of dies app being [indiscernible] out already. The big obviously, much more complex die will take out also on schedule, which. Because it's big and complex, it will take a couple of 3 weeks longer than the other die. So we are very happy with the progress. I think both our partners, our customers and our team are performing tremendously well, and they have been collaborating tremendously well so that -- these tape-outs of such complex die is a very challenging and those guys in my head of for them, they are making the schedules.
David Ku
executiveAbout the revenue guidance actually for second quarter. Maybe I'll take that normally, actually, we don't give the detail for '28. But I think -- the better way to think about that is actually is -- I think we're kind of talking about for '27 like risk guidance. Right now, we are aiming for the high end of the TWD 16 billion range. And year 2028, we're looking for another year of strong growth. So I think probably the better way to think about that because the reason we don't want to give out the detail is actually '28, so many moving pieces on the supply chain situation. We are still in the process of finalizing the supply chain situation. But overall, it's going to be another year of strong growth for '28 versus '27 based on the demand profile.
Gokul Hariharan
analystGot it. Maybe also on the second generation. I think there have been so many discussions about the packaging choices you are making with the U.S. IDM vendor. How confident are you now in terms of the packaging choice? Or do you think that you will still need to hedge your bets a little bit given the supply chain situation that you mentioned? And do you think that is the primary limiting factor in terms of your ability to service the demand from your customers given in that second generation chip you will be the primary vendor for that customer when you need [indiscernible]? .
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveGokul, by now, we are working this U.S. IDM packaging process that's our absolute [indiscernible]. We are -- actually, we now have a very strong manufacturing team within MediaTek. We're led by actually some very experienced fab operating in productive, I would say, retired. But we are working very closely with the IDM partner and uptake suppliers. First and foremost, on the yield improvement, I'm glad to say that -- and many of you know my background, I came from manufacturing. I have seen the progress. I have witnesses the clear identification of the key difficulties and also the way people are working together to resolve the problem and improvement in the fab in the factory. I have confidence -- very high confidence that the yield will go up very quickly because once we figure out a couple of 2 or 3 key problems, once they're implemented, the yield will go up quite quickly. Then we will continue to export the net level of sources of effect. But these are the things that we have came before we have done before. I'm very happy that our own team, we are working with the Japanese supplier where we're working with Taiwanese supplier. And we're going to make the second generation of ASIC with great success.
Operator
operatorNext one to ask questions is Sunny Lin from UBS.
Sunny Lin
analystCongrats on the very good progress for your key ASIC programs. So my first question is on maybe the -- even the third-generation ASIC, I know it's a far away, but it's also pretty essential for us to think about your ASIC revenue sustainability in the coming few years. So for that one, maybe ramping in late 2028, any progress that you could share with us? How is MediaTek positioned against the competition? And how should we think about the overall TAM for MediaTek to grow into 2030.
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveWe [indiscernible] speak for our customers. But we can say we are working very closely with them on that next-generation ASIC. Again, our customer is very aggressive in moving forward and upward in the performance downward for the TCO, I guess. So this is going to be another challenging chip. So I think it takes some time to define to finalize the definition. So we are right now, as you said, we are banking business in getting our first one right now in mass production, a second one to into production. And we will happy to discuss with you about the next one when time is right. But, as I said, I'd like to remind you, as I said in my remarks, the second-generation ASIC is a very powerful chip from both performance per watt point of view and also from the lower TCO point of view. Thank you.
Sunny Lin
analystVery helpful. So my second question is, earlier, you talked about potential for new clients and several engagements for cloud ASIC. So any color you could share with us in terms of the progress that you're making for new projects? How should we think about maybe the combined addressable market for new projects and the potential sales that you could recognize maybe in '27?
David Ku
executiveSunny, I think we just confirm we do have the second customer, okay? The new project right now is kicking off and working on right now. We're talking about going to see the first revenue coming in, in 2028. Again, normally [indiscernible] close more detail later on, but this is just confirmed. We do have a second customer, and MP, the [indiscernible] in 2028.
Sunny Lin
analystGot it. Also second customer is a different customer from the key projects that you are referring to, right?
David Ku
executiveYes, second customer, so a different customer. .
Operator
operatorNow we have Haas Liu from Bank of America.
Haas Liu
analystI would like to start with your near-term ASIC outlook. You provided a new USD 2.5 billion guidance for [indiscernible] contribution for this year, which is better than your previous guidance of slightly higher than USD 2 billion. I was just wondering what drives the incremental strength? Is it because the smooth production rent driving the unit upside or the trip set pricing outside reflecting the cost hike. And relatedly, with cloud ASIC reaching 30% of your quarterly revenue in fourth quarter this year, I was just wondering, it is, of course, very encouraging to see that your gross margin is still kept at 44 to 46 percentage range. But just wondering if you could provide more detail on the factors keeping your margins [indiscernible] during the quarter?
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveWell, our latest today's guidance for fourth quarter USD 2.5 billion indeed comes from a very robust customer demand. And with the robust customer demand, actually, we have been working very hard with our supply chain partners. And I'm also very glad to say that although you probably understand how are nowadays to get the right amount of supply in order to meet the demand, and I'm very happy that our team has been successful in rounding up multiple various suppliers, such as [indiscernible], for instance, a subject which is usually one of the most difficult things to do. So we continue to perform our team and I certainly hope and expect, we do that going forward. Yes.
David Ku
executiveOkay. For the gross margin, actually, so we kind of gave out the guidance earlier on for the blended gross margin on the data center side, currently is still below the corporate average, so that's why you see for our guidance, actually, we guide down not 1 percentage point. And on top of the side of that, we also have some price adjustments in order to reflect about the cost increase for the whole supply chain. So on a blended basis, that's actually the guidance we give out. And again, we do want to highlight the focus for the new data center business. I think we really see this as a very accretive on the operating margin side. And as you can see, starting from fourth quarter and likewise starting from next year, I think that will be the focus.
Haas Liu
analystOkay. Got it. So just a quick follow-up on that one, the commentary that your operating margin for the ASIC business is already going to be upgraded as compared to your corporate average starting from fourth quarter. Is that the correct understanding?
David Ku
executiveYes. Starting from fourth quarter, the operating margin will become accretive to the overall company.
Haas Liu
analystOkay. Got it. And my second question is just a follow-up on the second customer for the ASIC business that you mentioned that some production timing or the revenue contribution from production for the projects, new projects, new customer is going to kick up in 2028. Does that suggest that the chipset is already under design milestone? Or how should we read it?
David Ku
executiveYes. Actually, I think the drilling side kick off already. Again, we will provide more detail later on. .
Operator
operatorNext one to ask question, Charlie Chan from Morgan Stanley.
Charlie Chan
analystI actually have several follow-ups, if I may. So first of all, on the operating margin implication, right? I mean, the guidance imply first quarter operating margin to be around 19%. So if I think about the data center revenues like 30% of your total revenue and it seems to be like your AI data center operating margin is like 10% above corporate average. Is that the right way to think about it? Or you'll be even more accretive when the project goes for higher scale?
David Ku
executiveI'm sorry, Charlie, can you repeat you say I didn't hear you clearly. You say our operating margin for data center was 10% or 10% higher.
Charlie Chan
analyst10% higher than corporate reach based on your fourth quarter revenue mix and your first quarter operating margin guidance.
David Ku
executiveOkay. So first of all, I think it's higher. We probably won't be able to quantify that because actually, as I explained, in fourth quarter, we also have the effect of our price adjustments starting from third quarter for nondata center business as well. Overall, it's higher, but we will not be able to comment on the magnitude about the operating margin for the other segments.
Charlie Chan
analystOkay. Can I say my next 2 questions because I'd love to know the answer for both. One is also a clarification about your second customer? And can we get a little bit color, is it kind of a lab type of customer? You said kind of relative to your recent [indiscernible] progression. Can you give us a little bit more color about this a second customer. And also a question to Rick, right? So I think the recent capital market seems to be very concerned about Neocloud cloud financing ARR deceleration. So there's some answer about AI infrastructure slowdown, right? So I want to get mentions view about if CSPs CapEx or sell downward cuts, do you think customers will prioritize GPU, which is more on purpose? Or they should prioritize their own ASIC for the future spending in a beer market?
David Ku
executiveSo Charlie, maybe the first customer. Again, currently, we probably won't be able to provide more detail, but, yes, I think in general, that maybe the easy way to think about it. I don't know the some rumors there at least one thing we can say the second customer is not coming from China. Okay. Maybe Martin can talk about that. For any more detail, please bear with us, actually, we'll provide more detail later on.
Charlie Chan
analystGot you. Yes. And can I get management's view about what would be prioritized. You said ASIC or GPU if the [indiscernible] going to shrink?
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveWell, Charlie, Yes. Suddenly we're quite a bit of a market movement. There's no question about it during the last several weeks almost. But my view is the -- if we look at it 1 year, 2 year out, even up to 3 year out, the demand for AI, the growth -- the demand growth for AI, which means the demand growth for compute will continue absolutely sure. The rate of which may vary somewhat. But if you look at from a TAM point of view, it's a huge TAM. It's a huge TAM. And the -- and if -- what we definitely focus on is to ensure we are working with the first-class customer -- first-class products. That will end the test to use [indiscernible] and the test of time is very accurate [indiscernible] As I said are in my remarks, the chips we're designing together in making together with our customers is really very powerful chips. So especially during the tough time, those chips will [ win ] out. Of course, I'm absolutely sure also the GPU will also have a very great chips, too. But I cannot say every other chips will be successful. I'm very sure the chips we're making, it's already very successful and will be very, very competitive in this kind of a rocky market in the next few years maybe. But I'm actually -- I've been thinking about that. I'm quite confident that the MediaTek will come out better and stronger. Thank you.
Operator
operatorNext one to ask questions, Robert Sanders from Deutsche Bank. .
Robert Sanders
analystI guess you seem pretty dependent on [indiscernible] right now. If I was working at Intel, I would probably tell Google in the future that there are only packaging deals if you use our foundry, which would obviously have implications for you because it would force you to work with Intel's front-end foundry, which is obviously more dangerous given their execution. Would that be something that concerns you about your dependency on [indiscernible]?
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveFirst of all, we are not dependent on one supplier. It is critical to make it clear. We continue -- I mean, [indiscernible] our most important partner . So we definitely -- what we are doing is here, the market is expecting so fast, the customer requirement becoming so -- or they change also so fast. And we actually -- as a very capable supplier, we are, how should I answer, we are adapting those challenges and to make good powerful chips for our customers whatever they would like to choose. I think I would really credit that as a major capability for MediaTek. However, we also understand clearly TSMC is our most important partner. And we will not -- we are not a -- we are not -- we are working with them closely in every part of the, I should say, technology chain. So everything has become a major redefining technology for this AI era and MediaTek is investing in money, especially in people and in our ecosystem partners relationship.
Robert Sanders
analystJust as -- if you just look at the -- just as a follow-up. In terms of these frontier model, custom silicon project, your major customer -- a competitor is using financing a very aggressive financing Buy Now Pay Later type terms. I know you have a small financing you've raised this debt, but is it worth even engaging with these loss-making frontier model companies given the sort of scale of the balance sheet support that these -- your competitor is using? Or do you think it's still worth engaging with these companies given you're the smaller relative side?
David Ku
executiveWell, Robert, I think the market is so dynamic right now. You're talking about all those -- it depends on somebody call to vendor financing or support by the chipset vendors. I think if it's necessary, I think we will consider as well because actually, right now, especially due to the new frontier model, this new frontier model is actually about to file PO. We're going to see more and more to commission coming out, we actually see quite a few positive signal, for example, for the revenue or return versus the CapEx investment. Obviously, we see quite a bit of improvement quarter-over-quarter in the last 6 quarters. So with that trend, I mean, we still strongly believe for the CapEx to invest regardless of CSP or frontier model, it will generate enough revenue and cash flow to fulfill that. So actually, there's a transition period to support our CapEx spending in order to reach the final stage or stable stage on cash generating. So again, the go long way to answer your question is if the market requires, if we have -- more importantly if the right customer, okay, and actually, we will consider as well.
Operator
operatorAnd right now we have Arthur Lai from Macquarie.
Yu Jang Lai
analystCongrats on strong fourth quarter OP margin bit. And question number 1 is on the OP margin discussion. Number 2 is on the technology learning curve. So stand on number one. If you look at the Q3 OP margin and Q4 OP margin. Can you give us a long-term OP margin guidance? Or how we think of the Q4 the OP margin is sustainable? How should we forecast?
David Ku
executiveYes. I think, first of all, the short -- long answer short, I think Q4 operating margin. Q4 should be the starting point people to see of the improving operating margin. Okay. So it's not going to be just sustainable. I think we are looking for continued to enhance given actually we're going to ship more on top line. Okay? And so it is sustainable. And also we're looking for continuing to improve. And if we talk about next year guidance for the operating margin, I think overall, we are looking for 20% plus, okay, if not slightly higher. Again, the reason we probably want me to give out the detailed guidance because there are still some moving pieces. But overall, we feel comfortable for the full year basis next year, operating margin should be above 20%. So from a year-over-year perspective, we're going to see pretty good [ pressure ] that's on the operating margin side. And again, that's all in line with what we talked about right now probably almost like 1.5 years ago, we say the business model or the new business model, if you like, we're adopting right now. It's actually the gross margins compared to what we have right now and maybe slightly dilutive, but operating margin will be oppressive. I think that's the strategy of the business model.
Yu Jang Lai
analystThat's great. Second question is a follow-up on Rick's opening remarks, I mentioned that we are doing the leading tech. And I think the investor actually asking about the [indiscernible] technology and also H5 -- and if we think about maybe 2 years later, your company probably we believe 1 name only 1 who can -- who have a record to handle these 2 technology [indiscernible]. So line, how is the entry barrier investors should think if you already handle this maybe a tough technology and how many years you get ahead of your major competitor?
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveIt's good and tough question. I want to be careful in responding your question. We are quite excited about our progress in the multiple front of the technology's capability required for such a complex and dynamic AI era. And we -- you mentioned the packaging capability, the HPM 5, and we have -- I think we have the world-class state-of-the-art 448 gig, a tremendous power consumption, low power consumption capability for incident. We are -- but I think in -- on top of those things, the way the capability to integrate all those technology capabilities and make them into a highly manufacturable scalable products for our customers for them to be successful that will continue to be the barrier, the competitive barrier. It's many things together, not just one thing or two things. And we also recognize we have very strong competitive competitor. So we will not think that we will be very much ahead of our competitive. We always have a very tough fight against our competitors. And I'm very sure we will win our part of the business. Thank you.
Operator
operatorNow we have Gokul Hariharan from JPMorgan.
Gokul Hariharan
analystFirst of all, on the NVLink Fusion partnership, Rick, could you -- I know that you cannot talk about the specific ASIC yet, but could you give us a little bit more point as in terms of how you are integrating NVLink Fusion? And what are the benefits your customers could be getting? I think one of the factors that your competitor has is definitely their scale-up technology based on Ethernet. So does this completely kind of balance out the potential kind of networking-related edge that your competitor has when it comes to new customer engagement? And maybe also talk a little bit about the customer interest levels for this NVLink Fusion-enabled ASIC offering that you're bringing to the market.
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveGokul, first, NVLink Fusion model, of course, it's a business model but with a very, very high and strong technical content. So let's talk about technical content first. I think you mentioned the credentials. I can say, I think clearly that with some NVIDIA and MediaTek together, I think our credentials can match anybody in the business market. But I think I can say in confidence. So secondly, is the same we're doing the value of the model, As I said in the remarks, also actually back in the announcement of the collaboration in one of the interviews, I always stress that we can accelerate, we can enable customers' time to market and time to revenue, time to money. And so we work together with them before to build traffic with which the customer can really -- I wouldn't call that plug in, but it will be much more easily putting their design. The FPO or CPU or was some other use and putting improve -- [indiscernible] and filtered for instance. So that's the essence, I think, of the vision for auto. There are a lot of other things we must do together to convince various potential customers to adopt such model. Thank you.
Gokul Hariharan
analystGot it. Any feedback -- initial feedback that you're hearing from the customers on this model now?
David Ku
executiveGokul,right now, we are in discussion together with NVIDIA with several potential customers. I think overall, solve the customer like it, I think one of the key advantage about having the 11th future model is a potential customer. I think they're trying to compensation power is actually much, much faster because traditionally, they're going to working on the chip surface, what we call the packaging, then talking about the system. So it sometimes takes a long time to find idea to competition from power online. But with NVLink Fusion that provide a great advantage for time to competition power and given the strong demand on the end market side. I think that proves a lot of opportunity. So we got pretty good positive feedback. I think, hopefully, it's a near term, we can officially announce some case, okay?
Gokul Hariharan
analystGot it. That's very [indiscernible]. Maybe second question, just wanted to address, again, the second-generation ASIC is much more powerful much better TCO kind of chip. What does it do to your competitive position within this customer like do you think that you will kind of become like the majority source when it comes to 2028 because there's a lot of discussions around this, as you can imagine. So this generation of ASP, you've proven with the ramp in Q4, but could you talk a little bit about your competitive position within this lead customer when it comes to the second generation?
David Ku
executiveSure. Gokul, I think the key is really just like Rick talked about during the opening remarks. For the second generation of the second project, I think the performance is multiple times better -- performance per gigawatt and also, which will also be a much better TCO. And to be honest, actually is based on what we see on the so-called core competing projects, they're actually not even close from an overall performance perspective. On that one, actually, we feel very comfortable because by the end of the day, the market is looking for the performance and TCO and as long as our products can win from that front, I think we feel comfortable. .
Operator
operatorWith the interest of time, we are going to take last question and also returning to Charlie Chan, Morgan Stanley.
Charlie Chan
analystI want to ask you about the 448 gigabits. And we know is that for the third generation project with a major customer or it would be applied soon for this second customer? Can we clarify your progress for 448 gigabytes adoption gigabit -- I'm sorry. .
Lih Shyng L. Tsai
executiveYes Well, First of all, we certainly serve our current customer first, and 448 is a must going forward. And we saw a fairly [indiscernible] very stringent pork and some requirements and we have taped out already. So we are quite after the [indiscernible] take measurements, verification or [indiscernible] we are -- our team -- our service team is very, very capable, and they have done this multiple generations. They know what they're doing. And I'm very confident that we will deliver 448 gigas [indiscernible]. It will not be on the critical patch. And in addition, we will work on -- we will use this IP to put in some extra work so that you have the right interoperability for a broader customer base going forward..
Charlie Chan
analystYes. And we are also looking forward to your more projects and not just the infusion that I just mentioned, but we are -- we believe you have a great opportunity with other U.S. CFP or AI Lab customers. But for these already [indiscernible] announced the second customer win maybe get a rough kind of revenue size or margin profile. For example, compared to your [indiscernible] USD 2 billion in the first year, right? So if you think about the second customer in 2028, would there be a bigger room size and with the margin profile similar?
David Ku
executiveRight now is a little bit too early to talk in the detail. But in general, I guess, actually, the demand the customer would like it actually is pretty strong. But again, for 2028, we are still in the process about finalizing the supply. So we probably will provide some more detail later. But so far, as you can see from the marketplace, everyone is talking about further increase the CapEx and demand. So if we only judge it from the demand side, that looks good, but we also need to take into consideration about the other sectors. So give us some more time, we will come back with some more clarification. But right now, the key is really '26, we delivered a great result for USD 2.5 billion for -- just for -- mainly for fourth quarter. Next year, actually, we're actually talking about the high end of the guidance. And once we can deliver that, we're going to be based on a pretty solid growth to deliver the new revenue for 2028 and beyond.
Charlie Chan
analystYes, David, you mentioned about substrates several times that is a key factor, right? So does in case if TSMC supply cannot fulfill customers' demand, do you think your current circle the first generation project will extend the life cycle or the [indiscernible] goes to your competitor in the U.S. are using TSMC cohorts?
David Ku
executiveI think for current generation, the demand looks good and also like with the guidance give out, actually, we should feel fairly comfortable to deliver what the customer want. For Gen 2, based on the current yield profile and also tied to market, I think we still feel comfortable to deliver what the customer wants, basically in the meantime, as you can guess, the customers actually for the second generation, they're looking for some upside. So we are also working with our supply chain partner to provide upside. But I think overall, the key really go back to my earlier comment, the performance we can deliver together with our customer. Right now, you can't really find [indiscernible] replacement or the substitute of it. I think that's the key.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, we thank you for all your questions. Now I'll hand it over to Ms. Jessie Wang for closing comments. Ms. Wang, please proceed.
Jessie Wang
executiveLadies and gentlemen, this concludes MediaTek 2026 Third Quarter Conference Call. An audio replay will be available in 1 hour after the call at the Investors section of MediaTek website. We would like to thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect. .
Operator
operatorYes. We thank you again for your participation in today's conference. You may disconnect now. Thank you, and goodbye.
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