Meko AB (publ) (MEKO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 25, 2021

Nasdaq Stockholm SE Consumer Discretionary Distributors investor_day 108 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Unknown Attendee

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#1

Pehr Oscarson is the President and CEO of Mekonomen Group. He has been in the group since 2001. It has since then had dealing positions within sales, marketing and business development. He has been one of the driving forces to develop the independent aftermarket. He has been the President and CEO for Mekonomen Group the past 4 years. Asa Kallenius is the CFO of Mekonomen Group. She has been in the group and the management team since 2017. He she has a broad experience from the CFO role in various larger companies and have had a key role in the group's current structure and integration of the acquisitions of FTZ and Inter-Team in 2018. Petra Bendelin is Director of Business Development & Strategy within Mekonomen Group. She has been in the group since 2010 as Managing Director for one of the subsidiary companies within the group with focus on business development. Petra have had a key role in a large portion of the group's service development within training, business systems and customer service. She has been in the management team of Mekonomen Group since February 2020. Tobias Narvinger is the COO of Mekonomen Group. We have been in the group since 2011 in leading positions within purchasing, category, sales and supply chain. Tobias have had a key role in extracting synergies from the group's larger acquisitions, not least the recent acquisitions of FTZ and Inter-Team. Tobias have been in the management team since 2018.

Anders Oxelström

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#2

Hi, and welcome to Mekonomen Group Capital Markets Day 2021. My name is Anders Oxelström, and I am the moderator today. Today, we're going to look closer at Mekonomen Group's way forward. The new strategy, the revised financial targets, markets and trends. We are here today in Stockholm, and you are watching this online. And even if we can't meet in person due to the pandemic, we still want to interact with you. So in about 1.5 hours, we will start a Q&A session where you are more than welcome to call in and ask your questions. And if you want to, you can also send your question to us. You can use the form on the right side of the streaming window. And again, very welcome. And Pehr, per, very welcome to you.

Pehr Oscarson

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#3

Thank you.

Unknown Attendee

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#4

So it's late February, almost exactly 1 year ago. The pandemic started to spread, and we were all starting to understand what was going on. How would you describe 2020 for Mekonomen Group?

Pehr Oscarson

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#5

There is no doubt that 2020 was a challenging year for the world and also for Mekonomen Group. But we handled the situation very well, showed the strong resilience. Our priorities have all along been the safety and the health for our employees and customers.

Unknown Attendee

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#6

In what way?

Pehr Oscarson

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#7

By quickly taking actions on safety equipment on our facilities and offices, but also changing the way we work with distancing methods. Still, we were able to keep up working hard to improve efficiency and extract synergies.

Unknown Attendee

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#8

Okay. So what about the financial situation?

Pehr Oscarson

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#9

We stand strong with an improved profitability. We also have decreased our net debt with over SEK 1 billion, and we have a strong cash flow. This comes as a result of a focused work with lowering our costs in combination with our digital capabilities and a strong market position. So in short, I'm proud of the commitment by all our employees within the economic group.

Unknown Attendee

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#10

Okay. So you're saying it's quite good when you say you have strong financial position you have, decrease in net debt, you have increased your profitability. Honestly, Pehr, did you think this was the case, what was achievable, let's say, months ago?

Pehr Oscarson

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#11

I would be lying if I would say that the road ahead has been completely straight without challenges. But I think everybody, including me, has all the time, wondered about the development of the pandemic. Still, I had confidence in the fact that we have an optimal organization with very strong local management. And I would say that last year confirms two things: First, we have a flexible organization. We have proven that we are able to execute during tough times. And second, the time of mobility is timeless.

Unknown Attendee

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#12

It's timeless you say. But what do you mean by that?

Pehr Oscarson

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#13

I mean that people and goods need transportation, and that's almost regardless of what is happening around us. The demand is stable. And that is, of course, a favor for us as a market leader. And looking back, I would say that I'm strengthening my belief after seeing everything falling into place.

Unknown Attendee

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#14

Okay. And right now, as we speak, what is the situation out there?

Pehr Oscarson

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#15

There is still uncertainties about the pandemic and how long it's going to last. But as 2020 has shown, the impact on our business will probably be limited for us as long as societies are not completely shut down. But we will keep focusing on serving our customers in a safe way, continue to work with efficiency synergies. So despite difficult market conditions, I'm inspired and really optimistic.

Unknown Attendee

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#16

Okay. So what is the most important message from you to the investors today?

Pehr Oscarson

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#17

We are a growth company with a proven history of creating value and that we will continue on that road. We have a strong position going into the future. The shift towards greener techniques and digitalization is a huge opportunity for us. The future is also about being ahead of the customers' expectations and expanding our business. We work intensively with new offerings and solutions resulting in new revenues.

Unknown Attendee

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#18

Can you give us a few examples?

Pehr Oscarson

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#19

For example, we have the fleet service and partnership with electrical car manufacturers.

Unknown Attendee

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#20

Excellent. We look forward to all this and also the Q&A session. And if you have questions, you want to ask the Mekonomen Group management team, feel free to send them to us or to call in at 3:30 when we start the Q&A session. But before we dive into markets and trends, Pehr, I think it would be great if you could give us an update on your current market position and also about your business model. Can you do that, please?

Pehr Oscarson

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#21

Yes. First of all, to give you Mekonomen Group in short. We consist of 4 business areas in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Poland. We have 470 branches and over 3,500 workshops in these markets. We have 5,500 employees counting in everyone who works under our brands in the workshops. We have more than 20,000 persons and ambassadors. We have existed in this industry since early '70s, giving us half a century of experience. And today, we will tell you more about why we will be a relevant player also going forward. With our business model, we aim to be the best and most comprehensive partner for everyone that services and maintain cars. We meet the needs of our customers with unbeatable availability, competence and strong brands in a way that is convenient for them.

Unknown Attendee

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#22

So how does this work?

Pehr Oscarson

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#23

Yes. Let's have a look at the screen. This illustrates our business model. We source parts from the suppliers, mostly European manufacturers. Then we have our wholesales operation, which is central warehouses in each country, the regional warehouses and the branches. And the branches are those who are locally delivering to all these workshops around in our markets and the workshop, of course, do the job for the car [ new ] owners.

Unknown Attendee

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#24

Okay. So this is the parts but you also offer services. So what about the services?

Pehr Oscarson

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#25

Yes, the services offer is added in our workshops concepts. And that's also a very important part of the business. And that's -- things like ERPs for the workshops, it's technical support. It's training academies, mobile payment solutions. We have digital booking services, quality management systems, all these things that make us complete partner for the workshops.

Unknown Attendee

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#26

Okay. So these branches and the workshops, do you own them?

Pehr Oscarson

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#27

Apart from a few franchise branches, we own that network. When it comes to the workshops in the -- it's the opposite way. There, we own around 90 workshop of that total of 3,600.

Unknown Attendee

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#28

Okay. So I think Mekonomen Group might be perceived as a company that is mainly focusing on end consumers selling parts to consumers. Do you think that picture is somewhat wrong?

Pehr Oscarson

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#29

It is, but understandable due to the well-known brand we have in the company, not at least Mekonomen. But also MECA, BilXtra, AutoMester, O.K. Serwis and other brands are well-known among car owners in each market. And this is strategic for us. Attracting car owners to our workshop are important, part of the concept service offer to the workshops. We have developed a solid B2B business in order to be a holistic partner to the workshops. This includes a strong consumer insight, include all that we do together with the marketing activities.

Unknown Attendee

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#30

You mentioned some of the brands. Is it necessary to have so many brands?

Pehr Oscarson

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#31

Yes. One perspective is that we don't want to have 3 or 4 workshops with the same brand beside each other in a single street. But that -- because that would actually be the consequence. But we also see the need for a different concept to attract a larger part of the market as possible. Workshops and car owners do have different needs. And this, we can offer by developing our cost concepts and solutions in different directions in each market. I still see that we actually have room for further concepts in almost all the markets.

Unknown Attendee

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#32

Great. We are also seeing new trends out there when it comes to owning a car. People might feel that they don't need to own a car but they still want to have access to a car like carpooling and car leasing. How does this affect you?

Pehr Oscarson

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#33

When we talk about car owner, we don't -- we not only mean the private person owning car. Companies, associations, authorities and other constellations are also important customers for us. This, we refer as the fleet customers. Today, there are several hundred thousands of cars within this fleet agreements on our markets, cars that use our workshop concept for their maintenance continuously. That customer group is important for us for the future, and here we will develop new customized solutions.

Unknown Attendee

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#34

Okay. So why don't we go to one of the fleet customers, here in Stockholm, [indiscernible] headquarters. Let's hear what they have to say. [Presentation]

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#35

So with us here now is Asa Kallenius, you are the CFO of Mekonomen Group. Welcome.

Asa Kallenius

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#36

Thank you.

Unknown Attendee

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#37

So it would be very interesting if you could please elaborate a bit on your track record, what you have achieved and the growth upside for the group?

Asa Kallenius

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#38

Yes. We have had a strong history of sales growth, both organically, but largely through acquisitions. We acquired Sørensen og Balchen in 2011 and MECA in 2012. And then FTZ and Inter-Team in 2018. Since 2010, we had an average sales growth of over 13% per year.

Unknown Attendee

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#39

And what about the margins?

Asa Kallenius

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#40

Our adjusted EBIT margin dropped in the time of the acquisition in 2018 due to the lower profitability in the Polish market. But we are now on the right track, gaining synergies and closing 2020 with an improved margin and an all-time high sales. We have a proven history of successful acquisitions. And we know to integrate as well as how to extract and realize scale synergies from purchasing and operations.

Unknown Attendee

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#41

So what are you most satisfied with when it comes to these acquisitions?

Asa Kallenius

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#42

We had a good profitability improvement in FTZ and Inter-Team entity. Sørensen og Balchen have had a fantastic development, and we have succeeded in gaining the expected purchasing synergies, which also gained MECA/Mekonomen. This is, of course, something we are very proud of and have worked hard for.

Unknown Attendee

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#43

Okay. So if we look at the challenges, what has been most challenging with these acquisitions?

Asa Kallenius

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#44

Well, at the time of the acquisition, we had a challenging time with weak market development. And in the Nordics, we saw a very slow market and major variations in currencies and other factors that negatively affected us. The timing meant that the short-term upside was invisible. And then we, of course, had a pandemic. Today, we can see how successful the acquisitions have been.

Unknown Attendee

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#45

Okay. So looking at the Polish market, it seems like the numbers are turning in the right direction, looking at Inter-Team. Have you completed the turnaround now?

Asa Kallenius

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#46

We are on the right track in Poland with an underlying stable business, and that is very positive. But there is still some work to be done before we have a stable margin at this level.

Unknown Attendee

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#47

Great. So one of the acquisitions that you have made in recent years are FTZ in Denmark. So why don't we go to Denmark, [indiscernible] have a look at what Mekonomen and FTZ has achieved together. [Presentation]

Unknown Attendee

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#48

Interesting insight from Denmark. So, Pehr, the obvious question might be, are you planning any larger acquisitions?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#49

We're open to acquire the right company if and when the opportunity arises. The main reason for the updated financial target is to be prepared for opportunities in three directions, I would say: growth through acquisitions, but it could also be investments in becoming more efficient and to grow our core business and/or reach our dividend targets.

Unknown Attendee

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#50

Okay, three directions. You're talking about three directions. Will you choose just one of them? Or can you choose several at the same time?

Pehr Oscarson

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#51

No, there could, of course, be a combination of these directions as well.

Unknown Attendee

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#52

Okay. So looking at one of the future directions is potential acquisitions. So, Asa, what kind of acquisitions are you looking for?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#53

We have been clear about our interest for Eastern Europe, meaning Finland and the Baltic countries. These are still interesting for us. We also have a possibility to grow further in our existing markets, especially Poland, where we have a smaller share of the market today. Also, we do not exclude the possibility to grow further within the current business areas by broadening the business in new verticals or related areas.

Unknown Attendee

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#54

Will you be able to reach your targets?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#55

Yes, we will. Our strategy is based on actual initiatives and developments that we will execute on. We will look closer at the road to how to get there in just a moment.

Unknown Attendee

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#56

Thank you. Now let's move on and we'll go further into the agenda and look at the markets and trends of the industry. There are indeed many interesting developments and trends out there happening as we speak. With us now is Petra Bendelin, you are the Director of Business Development & Strategy in Mekonomen Group. Welcome.

Petra Bendelin

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#57

Thank you.

Unknown Attendee

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#58

So you're about to tell us more about what is happening out there. But let me just ask you, if you look at the pace of change, is it higher pace now than, let's say, 5, 10 years ago?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#59

I would say that there is a higher pace today, looking at new demands, new competitions, new expectations from customer, and there are sure are many possibilities for us to meet the endless need for mobility.

Unknown Attendee

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#60

Okay. So -- great. So what are the clearest trends that you see?

Petra Bendelin

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#61

We note that people are more positive towards mobility solutions, such as sharing, micro mobility or even robo taxis, all driven by sustainability and a greater trust in technology. We also know that people want to live their life online because it's convenient for me as a customer. And we have also seen an increase during the pandemic due to trying to keep a safe distance. And many of the solutions we have seen -- I believe that they are here to stay. And we also know that people still want to own their car. And that has been an increase during the pandemic as well. And of course, while choosing that car, more and more people choose electric cars.

Unknown Attendee

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#62

Speaking of electric cars, and I know that you probably get this question all day long, all the time. But looking at the future where electric cars will be the only cars we have, how is that going to affect the Mekonomen Group?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#63

Well, electric vehicles are expected to comprise around 10% of global vehicle sales in 2025 and up to 30% in 2030. And electric car consists of less spare parts than a combustion engine. So it's a relevant question to ask. And if you do not act, there will be a challenge in, let's say, 10 years. But we have serviced customers and their cars for 50 years. And we have lived through these kind of changes before, and we aim to serve the customers and the vehicles in the next 50 years, whatever is driving on our roads.

Unknown Attendee

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#64

Can you elaborate a bit on that?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#65

Yes. We have offered courses in hybrid technology, for example, since 2005 when the first Toyota Prius entered our roads. And more than half of our workshops have competence within electric and hybrid technology already today. So we have decided to take it one step further and raising the demands on our workshops.

Unknown Attendee

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#66

Okay. So what is the next step?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#67

We will intensify our rollout of our workshop standard E+ with demands regarding competence, tools, safety equipment and also charging possibilities.

Unknown Attendee

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#68

E+. What is that?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#69

That is our new own standard regarding demands on the workshop, making sure that we will be prepared to take on the next-generation of car fleet out there.

Unknown Attendee

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#70

Okay. So how many of your workshops fulfill this standard today?

Petra Bendelin

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#71

We have 250 workshops fulfilling all the requirements today. And we are intensifying the work, as I said. And during the next 12 months, we will be 1,500 E+ workshops.

Unknown Attendee

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#72

1,500. That is quite an increase. Okay. So interesting, as you touched upon, Petra, it's crucial to have the right people with the right competence to serve and fix the new cars with a new modern green technology. Many of you might know that Mekonomen Group have their own training academies, but I'm not sure everybody knows how it looks like when you -- we have state of the art training in real life. So let's go over to one of the training academies in Bergen, Norway. [Presentation]

Unknown Attendee

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#73

Interesting. So Petra, we understand that you have a solid plan for handling electric cars as we speak and in the future. But will the electric cars need as much service as traditional cars?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#74

Well, their service need is a bit different, and it's basically focus on inspection and filter changes. But we also see new elements being included in the service that we haven't seen before, like change of battery fluids for one example. And we also know that the electric vehicles will still need repair and maintenance. So it might look like a completely new situation, but it's not. We have been able to grow historically, even though the demand has changed with the longer service intervals for one example and the spare parts last longer and longer.

Unknown Attendee

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#75

So you see growth opportunities going forward then?

Petra Bendelin

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#76

Absolutely. Because apart from what I've just said, we see a whole new landscape developing. Can I ask you one question, Anders?

Unknown Attendee

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#77

If you must.

Petra Bendelin

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#78

How many car brands do you know?

Unknown Attendee

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#79

How many car brands do I know? I guess, around 15, 20 tops.

Petra Bendelin

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#80

Yes. I think 10, 20 is quite easy to say. But if I ask you to say 50 or 100, it will be a whole lot harder. We see an interesting development in the auto industry. We're expected to see around 250 new electric vehicles in the next coming 2 years alone. And many of these are new brands without the existing network for logistics and service and maintenance. We have that kind of network.

Unknown Attendee

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#81

Okay. So to conclude, you are confident that you will find a way forward where you can grow as you have done historically?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#82

Absolutely. We are very well prepared. We have lived through the changes before. And now we also see new business opportunities for us.

Unknown Attendee

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#83

Okay. Great. So we all know that the competition is getting tougher. Can you just elaborate a bit on that?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#84

Absolutely. We see competition basically from three directions. We've got the OEMs competing with us on the aftermarket. We see quite a few new actors competing online with price pressuring. And we also have new kind of actors often with disruptive business models, forcing us to develop even faster. And to be in the forefront, we must focus on availability, sustainability and digitalization.

Unknown Attendee

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#85

Speaking of digitalization, it's an increasingly important area in many industries and sectors, software data. How will that affect Mekonomen Group going forward?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#86

It will affect us, and we will gain from it. All our development aims towards working smarter. We need to make it easier for our workshops, and we need to be more efficient.

Unknown Attendee

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#87

Okay. Just to summarize then, there's a lot of things happening out there, and there's a lot of things for you to do. How will you handle this situation? How will you take advantage of this situation?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#88

We are the market leader in 3 of our 4 main markets. So we have a very strong foundation. We are also profitable in all our markets. And we will use our size and profitability to lead the digital and sustainable development in our industry.

Unknown Attendee

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#89

Thank you. So as we have heard, even if the technology might change, the need for mobility is timeless. And Pehr, your new strategy is called Enabling Mobility. So why a new strategy now?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#90

Markets and technology are developing. We are in a shift with many things happening at the same time and where sustainability is a core. All this means great opportunities for us. We have a very strong position to build on. Our new strategy will make us more profitable and make us grow in a sustainable way going forward. In short, we are an enabler of mobility today, tomorrow and in the future.

Unknown Attendee

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#91

Okay. So Petra, if you look at this new strategy, what are the major differences compared to the previous strategy?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#92

We have doubled our size and have, therefore, further scales of economics to gain. We do many things well today, but we needed a clear common group strategy. We now enter the next chapter of synergy gaining. We run cross-functional and cross-border development projects to make sure that we will be best-in-class. We will also focus even more on sustainability and not only the environmental part, but also the social and long-term profitability aspects of sustainability. And with our new strategy, we will answer why we will be relevant for the future.

Unknown Attendee

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#93

Interesting. And we will dive into the strategy in just a moment where you would guide us. But Pehr, it would be interesting to get a brief introduction of the strategy, the cornerstones -- what are the cornerstones of the new strategy?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#94

Yes. And let's have a look. Our strategy is based on our vision. We enable mobility today, tomorrow and in the future. Our enabling mobility strategy consists of 4 focus areas: The first focus is operational excellence. That means we will increase focus on efficiency, synergies and collaboration in our core business. This is absolutely crucial. Second, we will accelerate our concept development for workshops to increase loyalty and revenues, an area where we have a large potential going forward. Third, we will create new customer solutions to make the customer journey easier. We will forcefully use all the opportunities that comes with digitalization, data and customer insights. And fourth, we will create new revenue streams through a broad range of actions. For example, by entering new segments, developing new business models. Everything we do within these 4 focus areas will be done with a sustainable mindset. This is important. We see that Mekonomen Group needs to be clear about this.

Unknown Attendee

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#95

Okay. Pehr, so do you think there's a misunderstanding about your commitment to sustainability?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#96

I hardly think so. We have been very clear about the importance of sustainability for many years. But now we accelerate our work. We do not only want to be best in industry, we aim to be best-in-class when -- as well as leading the industry forward. Sustainability is not only about the environment. For us, it also means that we need to have a sustainable business and to continue to be relevant and grow over time. In short, we will address sustainability to be about people, planet and profit. It's a cornerstone for all that we do in order to grow and increase profitability.

Unknown Attendee

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#97

Thank you for this introduction, Pehr. Okay. We will continue soon, but we will first take a short break. [Break]

Unknown Attendee

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#98

So we have had an introduction of the strategy, but we are more curious about what the strategy will lead to, namely Mekonomen group, reaching the revised financial targets no later than 2025. Asa, tell us more about this.

Asa Kallenius

executive
#99

Yes. We have updated our financial targets, and we have a plan to reach them. Let me go through this in more detail. Starting with sales. We target to grow by 5% per year on average through a combination of organic growth and smaller acquisitions. We have an adjusted EBIT target of 10% for the group. Our leverage target is adjusted to keep net debt-to-EBITDA within the range of 2x to 3x. And our dividend policy is confirmed as the Board's intention is that we will pay dividend corresponding to not less than 50% of profit, unless there is a need to prioritize potential acquisitions or financial position, investment needs or other further future prospects.

Unknown Attendee

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#100

Okay. So let's have a closer look at the EBIT target. The previous target was to reach an EBIT of at least 10%. And now you changed that, so the target is to reach an adjusted EBIT of 10%. So why this change? It might be perceived as a bit defensive? Or is it more like an adjustment to reality?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#101

The adjustment is based on current organization, including the acquired FTZ and Inter-Team, the target is mainly a reflection of this.

Unknown Attendee

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#102

So you want to reach sales of SEK 15 billion at 2025. So how are you going to reach this?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#103

We have a proven track record of strong growth, with an average annual growth rate of 13% over the last 10 years. This is total growth, mainly driven by successful acquisitions. Looking ahead, we target to grow 5% per year on average through a combination of organic growth, our strategic initiatives and growth supported acquisitions. Given our strong position in the market, we expect to grow by 1% to 5% with different markets and verticals. Our 4 strategic focus areas presented earlier, is expected to generate a larger part of growth going forward, but the area operational excellence is expected to be the main driver. Then we turn to our adjusted EBIT margin. Historically, we have been touching the 10% mark back in 2017 when it comes to our adjusted EBIT margin, then margin dropped after the acquisition in 2018. Since then, we have improved profitability step by step. In 2020, we reached an adjusted EBIT margin of 8%, backed by strong cost focus.

Unknown Attendee

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#104

So how did you manage this?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#105

Purchasing synergies generated from our latest acquisition is one important part as well as the warehouse consolidation within MECA/Mekonomen. We have also done a great job with cost efficiency measures and initiatives.

Unknown Attendee

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#106

Okay. So how will you reach the level of 10% in the future?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#107

Our strategic focus areas will support further margin improvement and make us reach the 10% adjusted margin at 2025. And which corresponds to SEK 1.5 billion in adjusted EBIT. The focus area, operational excellence, will be the main driver of profitability and contribute through both efficiency and increased sales. Concept development, customer solution and new revenue streams will also add further to our margins and not least to the customer experience.

Unknown Attendee

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#108

So are you sure that you will be able to continue in this direction?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#109

We are confident in our strategy and the way forward. Our strategy is well-established within the organization and built from bottom-up, and we believe in it in 100%. During '19 and '20, we totally generated a cash flow from operation of SEK 2.5 billion. This has mainly been used to reduce debt. We now have a solid financial position going forward.

Unknown Attendee

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#110

Okay. So let's look at the dividend. You have a strong financial position. You have a strong cash flow. You have increased profitability, decreased your net debt. Still, you have decided not to pay any dividend. What is the reasoning behind this?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#111

Well, as I said, we have a solid financial position. We will create value for our shareholders, either by acquisitions, investment in our current operation and/or through dividend.

Unknown Attendee

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#112

Okay. So maybe hard for you to say, but I think there might be shareholders that are wondering now when is Mekonomen Group starting to pay dividend again? Is it 1 year? Is it 3 years? What can you say about that?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#113

We remain committed to the long-term dividend policy. However, the Board does not believe now is the right time to raise a dividend.

Unknown Attendee

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#114

Okay. Thank you, Asa. Now we have seen the financial road map to 2025, and that's excellent. And now we are going to dive into the full focus area more in detail. Petra, as we have seen, you want to increase your revenues to SEK 15 billion in 2025 and also reach an adjusted EBIT of 10%. So we, of course, want to know more about the focus areas in the strategy and what you're going to do exactly to achieve this? Can you please enlighten us?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#115

Absolutely. First of all, I would like to elaborate a little bit further about sustainability. That is an important part in everything we do. And our aim is clear. We want to lead our industry.

Unknown Attendee

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#116

So how do you achieve that?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#117

We need to keep up with the development in our surrounding and also outside the industry, of course. We will meet new technology, new expectations and demands. And sustainability is about creating a sustainable business for the future. And to do so, we need the right competence. We need the right people. And that is why sustainability, for us, is about people, planet and profits. And the initiatives we've got within our 4 focus area will take us to our sustainability goals.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#118

You mentioned finding the right people with the right competence. And that is a challenge for many companies in many sectors. But Mekonomen Group, you have decided not just to talk about this challenge, but also to do something about it. So maybe not all of you know that Mekonomen has their own upper secondary schools. So let's go to [ ProMeister Fordon ], I should say, here in Stockholm. [Presentation]

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#119

That is inspiring. So let's move on to the first focus area, and that is operational excellence. Can you tell us more about this, Petra?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#120

Yes. Operational excellence is about increasing profitability in our core business. That means reducing costs and increase sales. And this area will contribute the most while reaching our goals. We must do more to utilize scale opportunities and synergies within the group. We have a successful track record, and we have a clear agenda going forward.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#121

Okay. Great. So let's dig deep into this area, operational excellence. And with us here, we have Tobias Narvinger, the COO of Mekonomen Group. Welcome.

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#122

Thank you.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#123

Okay. So what do you think are the most important initiatives for Mekonomen Group within operational excellence going forward?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#124

No, but we must do more to utilize our scale opportunities and find synergies and we see that we can really streamline this business area. And by that, we believe that we can have a cost cut of about 0.5 percentage every year as we have a growth with 5%, and that would mean that we -- by 2025 would have extra SEK 1 billion on turnover and generate another SEK 100 million on the last line here. And one may wonder what kind of -- how would you do this? And one example is, of course, for example, here in Sweden, the merger of the two warehouses we have done.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#125

That is a famous topic for you in recent years. So why don't we go over to Strängnäs and have a look. [Presentation]

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#126

That is automation, indeed. You got a very high-tech feeling, at least I get that. So this is a finalized project, right?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#127

Yes, it is. This is in full operation now. And we can say it has actually been in use [ already since ] 2019 [ and was ] taken into use and then supplying the Mekonomen branches. During 2019 and '20, we had moved over also the MECA branches and thereby realizing the lost synergies here. So that came actually now end of 2020 when the lease agreement was terminated on the old warehouse and also the last employees left the site. So this has really been a tremendous project where everybody put a huge effort into this. And a lot of engaged people has made this happen.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#128

Okay. So what will you do next?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#129

There's still a lot of opportunity, I must say, because you have to remember, we stock almost 100,000 items in each of our warehouses in Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Poland. And we then also have regional warehouses. We have almost 400 branches in Scandinavia and [ 80 ] in Poland. And on our business, we very much are delivering in 1 to 3 hours. And that comes from -- we only know part of the demand the day before. Very much happens when the vehicle is on the lift and then you need additional demand and that you want to have very quickly delivered because very few customers want to wait an extra day to have their vehicle back. In the same way, you can say, it doesn't really make sense to take a half finished vehicle [ out and in and out ] of a workshop. So if you're in the business today, talk a lot about e-commerce and saying you have to make quick overnight deliveries, for us, competitive advantage is to be able to deliver in 1 to 3 hours. And that's why it's so important also to have a big size as we are because we can really then utilize that and have variable cost structure on being everywhere here. We also see the huge opportunities coming here that we can also optimize more of the stock in all of these branches we have. And we see that we could have virtual stocks and thereby also having even better availability for our customers, especially then here in Sweden and Norway, where we run double [indiscernible] basically.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#130

Okay. You say Sweden and Norway. But what about Denmark and Poland?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#131

Well, I would also say here because we learned a lot from this warehouse project in Sweden. And in Denmark, we have been really good on delivering. That has really been a key cornerstone [indiscernible] on delivering very quickly here. But we still believe we can do even more there. In Poland, we actually built two regional warehouses in 2019 and '20. So that will really generate some sales here this year and coming years as well.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#132

So you have finalized the purchase and synergy project in Inter-Team and FTZ regarding those acquisitions. Can you please update us on that?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#133

Yes, that has really been a above expectations to bonus. And already today, what has been communicated externally, we already have the end result. That can also be seen now in the report for 2020. We still see that we can do more in some product groups and to consolidate the product groups even more. This has been really a great success historically for Mekonomen as well after the acquisition of Sørensen og Balchen, MECA, now FTZ and Inter-Team. We see that when we get together our volumes to suppliers and grow together with them, we can really benefit also on terms and conditions here. So it helps to be a big customer to our suppliers.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#134

Okay. So you have been working intensively with operational excellence for quite some years, but you still think there is potential ahead, right?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#135

Yes. And especially as we become bigger here as well, I would say, especially within category management here. We can now easily see what's happening in one market. We use that for other markets. I would especially like to stress private labels. We've been very successful here historically in Sweden and Norway. We also see that FTZ and Inter-Team are using private labels. Now we are now a bigger group here, we are consolidating here, and we get then great opportunity to specify really the products we want, take them on direct deliveries from the factories. And this also means that we can do something which our competitor can't do really because we are so big and we have good examples now. We have ProMeister introduced in Denmark directly. We see that we can reuse the widened assortment also in Sweden and Norway. So there's a lot of potential here for the future as far to do more.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#136

That sounds interesting. So just to be very clear to everybody, operational excellence is not only about finding synergies and cutting costs?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#137

No. I think very much also by having better availability, we will sell more to customers who have already today, we will improve loyalty. And of course, when we add on new assortments, we can really build growth for future here in our core business with the same cost structure.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#138

Okay. So another focus area for you is concept development for workshops. And this is nothing new, I guess. You have developed concept before. So what is the difference going forward compared to what you have done historically?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#139

Yes, that's right. It's been a very important focus area for us, historically. And now we are accelerating. And concept development will lead to loyalty from the workshops, which means increased sales and increased profitability for us. And from our workshop survey, we know what drivers we have to gain loyalty and specific concept development is actually one of them and concept development in a pace faster than our competitors.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#140

So can you give us an example?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#141

Yes, absolutely. We will continue to develop elements that we already got to make them even better and add new elements that will simplify for the workshop in the everyday life. A large contribution will come from the Polish market, where we will develop services for Inter-Team's affiliated workshops. And of course, we can use the valuable experience we've got from the Scandinavian market. We've got, for example, the booking -- digital booking services and technical support solutions to be implemented.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#142

Okay. So what did the workshop say else in addition to that, that they want in terms of concepts?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#143

It's crucial that we bring customers to them. And we do so through the digital booking solutions I just mentioned and also through our fleet customers and the contracts we've got there. And they also stress availability, local support and the local awareness that we've got in the market and especially the support part. We got a very good example from Denmark with Workshop 365.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#144

So I Workshop 365. Let's go over to Denmark and have a look. [Presentation]

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#145

So let's move on to the third focus area in the strategy, and that is create customer solutions for car owners. So you talk about being ahead of the customer, but what does that mean if you can be a bit more specific?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#146

Easy to use digital solutions has never been more important. And during the pandemic, we have seen an increase in digital bookings and sales online. And we have accelerated our work within this area, making it possible for you as a customer to have your car fixed without any physical interaction. You book online and you check in your car in our key cabinet Sharebox.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#147

Okay. Interesting. Can you tell us a bit more about that Sharebox solution?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#148

Yes. It's a brand-new solution that we put up outside the workshop for you to check-in and check-out your key in. So you book online, you check-in the car. And when your car is ready, you receive an SMS with all the details about your car and how to pay. You pay online and you can pick up the car and your key whenever it's convenient for you.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#149

Okay. So you have worked a long time with digitalization and digital solutions. So that's nothing new for you. But let's have a look at your journey. [Presentation]

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#150

Okay, Petra. So what else lies ahead for the group?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#151

E-commerce, business-to-consumer is a very important part, where we'll make sure we'll be in the forefront. With the Mekonomen brand, we have a favorable position to gain market share. And within BilXtra, we will continue to develop the successful click and collect concept and, of course, also try to spread it wider in the group.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#152

Spread it wider. That sounds interesting. Can you elaborate a bit on that? How will you improve your e-commerce side of the business?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#153

Well, e-commerce is all about the customer experience, the availability, the fast deliveries, seamlessness, of course. And we will also increase our marketing within this area to be visible to our customers.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#154

Okay. So I saw this press release this morning that says that you are offering service agreements for basically all the car brands in Sweden. I mean, is this something new?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#155

It is. The offer to basically all the car owners is a new product, and we saw the need on the market to offer affordable and easy to understand service agreements. So we wanted to enter the market in a transparent way, easy cost structure, no hidden costs and with easy to understand terms.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#156

Okay. So does this regard all the cars -- old cars, new cars?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#157

Yes, old cars, new cars.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#158

Electric cars?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#159

Of course.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#160

Okay. So interesting. Let's move on to the to the fourth -- the last focus area in the strategy, enabling mobility. And that is to create new revenue streams. So it might sound like you are planning to enter new segments? Or what is the plan?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#161

Well, in short, we're looking at acquisitions, development and collaborations to secure solid growth. We will develop more product and services to our existing customer and find the new customer segments as well. The environment will change and we need to change too.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#162

As you say, there are changing developments and new trends, and that also creates new possibilities, like the one that you have grabbed when it comes to the Chinese car manufacturer Xiaopeng in Norway. So let's go over to Norway and have a look at that deal. [Presentation]

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#163

Interesting, Petra, will there be more agreements of this kind in the near future?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#164

Yes, the new car producers opens up for opportunities. And we have ongoing dialogue with several of these actors interested in our Scandinavian markets. And our growth is a very good fit. We can deliver on several of their needs.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#165

Like -- can you give us a few examples?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#166

Absolutely. We have a pallet of services. First of all, we can offer test drives and car deliveries from our facilities. We are a solid partner for warranty services and maintenance. We can help them with training, authorization and technical support. And of course, we can handle their whole wholesale operation. So we will, for sure, gain new revenue streams.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#167

Interesting. And that was the fourth focus area. So we now know what your strategy looks like. We know there's a road forward, and we know that there's many initiatives going on. Exciting. Thank you.

Petra Bendelin

executive
#168

Thank you.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#169

In just a moment, we will start our Q&A session, where you are more than welcome to call in and ask questions to the management team of Mekonomen Group. You see the number here on the screen. But you can also, if you want to send your question to us. Use the form on the right side of the streaming window. But before we start the Q&A session, Pehr, it would be interesting and relevant, maybe to summarize what we have been talking about today. What are the takeaways?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#170

Yes. And in short, we have seen that Mekonomen Group has a very strong position in our markets and that our business model is stable despite cycles. We're a growth company with a proven value-creating model. We have many several successful acquisitions historically, and we will continue along this road. There is a change in market with pressure, but also with many opportunities. We are in a pole position to increase market shares going forward, thanks to our leading positions in our markets. We have updated our financial targets and will reach them no later than 2025. Our new strategy will take us there. We will focus on operational excellence, concept development, customer solution and new revenue streams. We will all do all this with a secure sustainable growth for years to come. That is about it.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#171

Thank you for summarizing, Pehr. Okay. We will start to open the Q&A session but, before that, we will just take a short break. So we will be with you soon. [Break]

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#172

Welcome back. In just a few moments, we will start the Q&A session. But before that, I was actually thinking of something that you said, Asa, in your presentation, it was about the growth -- the market growth. And you said that the market is expected to grow between 1% and 5%. So can you please elaborate a bit on that?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#173

That is an average on the large part of the European market. There are differences between different markets. For instance, here in the Nordic, where we have a mature market, we expect market growth to be 1% to 2%.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#174

Okay. So that's in the Nordic market. But the Polish market, it's quite different. What are your views on Poland?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#175

In Poland, we expect a more rapid growth. We expect the market, as we have said before, to grow 4% to 5% a year. The Polish market is growing due to the Polish people getting higher standard of living. They are able to spend more money on their cars. There is also a consolidation in Poland that will lighten the price pressure and support further growth.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#176

Yes. So the consolidation in Poland, how are you planning to take part in that consolidation, if you can say something more about that?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#177

Well, our main focus is to grow organically and to focus on development of our concepts. But as we said, we are always open to evaluate possibilities as they come along.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#178

Yes, great. So Pehr, you can't control much yourself within the group, of course. But outside the group, there's a lot of things happening as well, regulations and so on. And you are one of the driving forces in the aftermarket association called SBF. Can you tell us a bit more about that? What you do in SBF? And what your priorities are?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#179

Well, SBF, that's the association for Sweden. We, of course, would like to make sure that we have fair and equal competition, where we also are regulated by European norms and so on. So we also have representatives in Brazil who is working at that level. But I would also say that as an association, we also try to work together with -- to get more attractiveness of this industry. We know that there is a lack of mechanics, but we'd like to attract more competencies in general to the industry.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#180

I see and talking about, you mentioned Brussels there. Another important issue or area right now that affects many interests is the Green Deal which, if I just explain it very shortly, is a commissions way of the plan for making the businesses more sustainable and to define them as sustainable and we talk about the taxonomy that is coming. How -- what is your view on this? And how would that affect Mekonomen Group?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#181

We follow this, of course, very closely. My firm belief is that we, as a market leader, but also a leader in -- within sustainability, will have great possibilities also with this new taxonomy and so on. So we've really -- and I think that -- as we have talked about today, sustainability is, for us, a very common part in actually everything that we do. So we're quite confident that we will...

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#182

You feel confident about that. Excellent. So I'm wondering if we have -- I'm talking to the operator now, do we have any questions?

Operator

operator
#183

There are no questions on the line. [Operator Instructions]

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#184

Excellent.

Operator

operator
#185

And this is from Mats Liss from Kepler Cheuvreux.

Mats Liss

analyst
#186

A couple of questions. First, can you hear me?

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#187

We can hear you, yes.

Mats Liss

analyst
#188

Yes, great. Just you mentioned sort of reason why you launched new strategies that you have too when you're finished with restructuring or integration of the acquisitions and also the -- the integration of the 2 [indiscernible] in Sweden. And I just wondered if we should sort of interpret that and we shouldn't expect any more restructuring or you're sort of up and running fully in the sort of structure you have or I mean could there be other measures that you're able to implement even if you indicate that you have come a long way with the integration process.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#189

Okay. Pehr, maybe that's a question for you.

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#190

Yes. I would say that there is still some possibilities. I mean you mentioned the logistics in Sweden, but we can make improvements in logistics in Norway and Denmark also. I think we have made 2 successful regional warehouses in Poland, and that could also be evaluated if we should have more. So there's still room for additional improvements.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#191

Okay. Mats?

Mats Liss

analyst
#192

Yes. Good. And then I was just wondering, the year-over-year impact of the sort of -- you have gradually implemented procurement synergies during 2020, I guess. And is there any sort of the year-over-year impact, 2021 compared to 2020, both the procurement synergies and also the sort of integration impact from the warehouses?

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#193

Tobias, please?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#194

Yes. I think as we said here, I mean, what we have been communicating externally, we can already basically say what we have in the result and even though that we also obviously see that we have had less sales and also bought less goods. So of course, there are different dynamics here affecting the other way around as well. And together with that, it was really turbulent here also on currencies, and there's been also other pressures in the market here. So it's very hard to say. We can say what we said and expected. We are confident we have delivered. And of course, we hope for a good sales and a continued good development here. And that will, of course, benefit us long run.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#195

Excellent. Mats, did you have any more questions?

Mats Liss

analyst
#196

Yes. I could do -- I have another 1 here or 2 actually. First, I mean many contributors like to increase their web-based sales. And I guess you have the Xpeng Chinese electric car there. But I mean there are more sort of traditional brands as well that try to do the same like Volvo, for instance. Do you see the opportunity there to maybe increase service of these or supply and service parts to these more traditional brands as well when they are new brands, I mean, not only when they sort of have become a couple of years old?

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#197

Okay. Pehr, do you want to...

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#198

You mentioned the Volvo [ and really -- ] and I mean we believe that there will be changes in the market. And I think that we are very well positioned to deal with that and actually to gain new revenues out of that. Xiaopeng in Norway is just probably the first example. So we believe that there will be a lot of opportunities in the future.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#199

Great. And you had another one, Mats, I thought you said.

Mats Liss

analyst
#200

Yes, another one, also a final one. Well, In Norway you showed the sort of growth of electric cars and we sort of have still rather limited, maybe part of the [ 2 to 3 ], 12%. So maybe you haven't seen the full impact there of the fully electric car people. Or have you seen the sort of potential impact on profitability in a more electrified world?

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#201

Petra, it sounds like a question for you.

Petra Bendelin

executive
#202

Yes. It's like you're saying, it's a little bit too early to actually state the actual impact on us. Of course, we are monitoring this very closely to follow the progress. It's main priority for us. And of course, we see the need to develop new services to the electric vehicle owners and broadening the assortment, so we can offer the right products and services to them.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#203

Mats, were you satisfied with that answer? Or do you have any more questions?

Mats Liss

analyst
#204

Yes.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#205

Perfect. Thank you, Mats. And I think we have another person on the line. Is that correct?

Operator

operator
#206

Our next question comes from the line of Andreas Lundberg.

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#207

Yes. Can you hear me?

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#208

We can hear you.

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#209

Cool. Great. I think you mentioned that you can cut cost by 0.5% per year. Was that correct?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#210

Yes. In relation to sales, yes.

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#211

In relation to sales. So that implies some kind of sales growth?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#212

Yes. So cost in relation to sales will decrease going forward.

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#213

Okay. I thought you said that you could manage to cut the cost in absolute terms, but it was not correct. Cool. And on the sales growth target, 5% or so, how much would you say would be organic versus acquisitions?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#214

Well, we -- as I said, we expect the organic growth in the Nordics to be 1% to 2%. And in Poland, we expect 4% to 5% going forward. So 1.5% will be organic, I would say, in average, perhaps 2%.

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#215

And on the acquisition part, I guess you talked about smaller acquisitions here. What kind of businesses are you looking at here?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#216

Well, should I take that? Yes, we will only do acquisition if we find the right company to acquire. And as I said earlier, we are looking ahead towards the Eastern part of Europe. And that means Finland, Baltic countries and perhaps also to expand our business in Poland. But I want to be clear about that we are not there today, and we will only acquire good companies that fits well into our portfolio of companies.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#217

Excellent. Andreas, did you have any more questions?

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#218

Yes, a follow-up here. You said...

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#219

Before you do that, can I please just ask you to turn off your microphone when she answers? That would be excellent.

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#220

Now I thought you said that there were smaller acquisitions included in this 5% target. And on top of that, you could do maybe one?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#221

Yes.

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#222

The question is to add on in like Poland and Baltics, are they part of the 5% growth ambition? Or is that on top of that?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#223

It's on top of that. In the financial target, we have the organic growth. We have the impact of our strategic initiatives and smaller acquisition. We do smaller acquisition often like smaller workshops or smaller companies. So the targets we have set today is the operation and business we have today and the growth forward does not include larger acquisition. So that will be on top if they come.

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#224

Okay. Lastly for me. On the cash flow side, which has obviously been strong in '19 and '20. I think you said just about SEK 1 billion in operating cash flow. What would you say is a reasonable level going forward?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#225

When it comes to cash flow, we will -- it's depending, of course, on the EBITDA. But I see cash flow, going forward, develop positively as well. And we will -- with the new target set on the covenant, the leverage level, we will stay somewhere between 2 and 3 when it comes to leverage. So I see that we will continue to have the positive cash flow we had during 2019 and 2020 and that we always have in the business. So that's how I see the future.

Andreas Lundberg

analyst
#226

You wouldn't say that '19 and '20 was overly good due to extensive efforts and the working capital effect?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#227

Well, in 2020, we had a positive upside of the state support when it comes to taxes, et cetera, of SEK 200 million impacting working capital positively. So that will not come in 2021 if there isn't completely lockdown and we get new support. But otherwise, I see that we will deliver on EBITDA, and we will keep working capital fixed to net sales. So I see we'll have continued good cash flow.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#228

Excellent. Thank you, Andreas. We have a couple of questions coming in from -- in written, and one of them is about the offer E+, the new service offer that we heard about today. And the question is, you currently offer E+ at 250 workshops, so what's in your finding so far in terms of money spent per service and frequency of service related to non-electric cars? And Petra, that feels like a question to you.

Petra Bendelin

executive
#229

Yes. And it's similar to the question that we've got before. We're monitoring it very closely, but it is a bit too early to draw any specific conclusions from this.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#230

Okay. And another question on the same topic. Can you please elaborate a bit more on what needs to be served on electric cars and when in the electric car's lifetime?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#231

Yes. To give all the details, I suggest you attend to our academies. But as I said before, it's mainly about inspection and filter changes on the electric vehicles. But we also see new elements being added, like change of battery fluids. And I do expect that we will see that because we have seen it historically within the technology development.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#232

Great. So another question here is that Mekonomen has -- you have previously mentioned that the market is fragmented and ripe for consolidation. From your perspective, are there still good opportunities for consolidation in the market for fair prices -- good opportunities for fair prices when it comes to consolidation? So who wants to take that question?

Asa Kallenius

executive
#233

I can take it. There is and will be good possibilities, especially in Poland. We see consolidation in Poland, or it will be a consolidation. And we want to be part of that when it comes and to evaluate possibilities in the market. So you can still do a good deal.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#234

You can still do bargains in Poland, basically. Excellent.

Asa Kallenius

executive
#235

Yes. We hope so, yes.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#236

Another question is the share of sales from commercial fleet owners today, how big is that? And what is the expected development in the coming 5 years? And I don't know if you -- Pehr, you want to take that one?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#237

We don't share the numbers of exactly how big the share is, but I would like to say that this is an important business for us. It's growing. And we have several hundred, thousands of cars already in these fleet agreements. We believe that this is a market which will expand in the future. And it will not only be about normal companies having company cars and delivery cars because, of course, we also see this as the business taking care about new ways of owning cars and new fleets and so on. So it's a growing business, and it's strategically important.

Fredrik Satterstrom

executive
#238

Okay. Thank you for that, Pehr. We got another question about private label. So what's the private label share in Poland? And also, what's the share in your most successful country in terms of private label?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#239

So I can take that one. I would say that about 10% average in the group. We have a higher percentage in Sweden, Norway, where we worked more actively historically, thereby saying it's a bit lower in Poland. And one has to remember as well, it's different private labels here. We are asking maybe for a more high quality here in the Scandinavian markets. It's more low prices. It's not exactly the same specification. We're selling in the different markets here. So it's a fulfilling a little bit different demands. It's also very hard. So even if I say an average figure, it also varies very much depending on what product groups you're talking about. In some product groups we are launching, we take 50% market share, whether we decide not to go into certain product groups. So it's a very varying figure, but roughly about 10% in the group here.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#240

Okay. That is a clear message there. Okay. So operator, I just want to check with you. Are there any more questions coming in?

Operator

operator
#241

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from the line of Mats Liss.

Mats Liss

analyst
#242

A follow-up there on digitalization, I guess, and the cost related to it. Could you say something that -- have you passed the peak there? Or is this something that will sort of develop as a percentage, say, it won't change much? And I mean there are also many opportunities. Do you this in cooperation with other parties? Or do you need to sort of hire more people and competence to be able to certain -- explore those opportunities?

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#243

Petra?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#244

It's a mix of both. We -- there is still a lot to do. Digitalization is -- even though we have worked with it for a long time, there are a whole lot more to do and to automate processes even further. And we are constantly growing this area, and we use internal resources, and we also use external resources depending on the system and the nature of the project.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#245

Okay. Great. Mats, did you have any more questions?

Mats Liss

analyst
#246

And should we expect those costs to sort of increase or stay at the same level? Or could you give some flavor about that?

Petra Bendelin

executive
#247

We do very clear business cases, developing the services that we can gain from. So we feel very confident that when we start a project, we also know what the outcome will be. And that will, of course, decrease costs or increase sales.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#248

Thank you, Mats. So we have another question coming in, in the system. And it's about the BilXtra implementation in Sweden. It differs quite a lot from BilXtra in Norway. So why is that? And how are you planning to roll out the BilXtra concept in Denmark and Poland?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#249

I can take that. We -- yes, it's true that there is a difference between the 2 concepts. So I would say it's more of sharing the same brand. We evaluate this continuously. But at the moment, we are not in the plans for expanding that to the other markets. But who knows in the future?

Tobias Narvinger

executive
#250

And maybe to add as well, as is mentioned in Denmark, we have several concepts. It's very strong in different concepts in Denmark. So we are really well positioned there currently as well with the concepts we have.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#251

Okay. Thank you for that. So another question here coming in is, is there a clear market leader in the aftermarket in Finland? Or are there a couple of market leaders in Finland? So Pehr?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#252

Yes. There is -- I would say there is #1 and #2, who is kind of sharing the market -- or sharing the market leader position. And then as in many other countries, there is some smaller players as well. I would say that Finland is still not as consolidated as we have in Sweden and Norway but maybe a little bit more consolidated than Poland, for example.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#253

Okay. Thank you very much. And I think that was it. We have no further questions. And we are starting to summarize this Capital Markets Day. So that is the end of the Q&A session. Let's have a summarize. [Presentation]

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#254

Okay. Great. So this is about it. Time flies. Pehr, it's time to wrap this up. So do you have any concluding remarks?

Pehr Oscarson

executive
#255

Yes, I want to emphasize that we are all very inspired. And we have a strong 2020 behind us. We've proven to be on the right track. We strongly believe in this updated strategy. We will continue to increase profitability and growth in a sustainable way.

Anders Oxelström

attendee
#256

Perfect. Thank you very much. We've had a good time here, these hours. And I hope you had, too. So let's take care out there, and thank you, everybody.

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