Mersen S.A. (MRN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 30, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, welcome to Mersen 2026 Half Year Results. The webcast will be structured in 2 parts. First, a presentation by the Mersen management team, represented by Salvador Lamas, Group CEO; and Thomas Baumgartner, Group CFO. Afterwards, there will be a Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand over to Salvador Lamas. Sir, please go ahead.
Salvador Lamas
executiveThank you, Nathalie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before turning to our first half results, let me say how pleased I am to speak to you for the first time as CEO of Mersen. Although I officially took over the role in May, I've been part of the group since 2021 and have been closely involved in defining and implementing our current strategy. Over the past few months, I had also the opportunity to spend a great deal of time with our teams, our customers across different markets and of course, you, our investors. Those discussions have reinforced my conviction that Mersen has unique strengths: highly differentiated technologies, long-standing customer relationships, a truly global industrial footprint, and strong positions in markets that are benefiting from powerful long-term trends. At the same time, they have confirmed something equally important, the fact that our strategy is the right one. Therefore, my priority today is to continue and accelerate its execution with discipline, agility, remaining close to our customers and ensuring that we succeed in translating these strengths into profitable growth, cash generation and value creation. I do see opportunities to further improve our execution, additional simplification and better capital allocation. These opportunities are already today translated into internal group initiatives, aiming to further improve our quality, our processes, productivity, lead times, which are becoming more and more important these days, and efficiency in our manufacturing sites. The first half results we are presenting today are, I believe, a very good illustration of that. The market environment is very dynamic in some end markets, while remaining contrasted across geographies. We delivered very solid organic growth, maintaining healthy profitability. And therefore, today, we are raising our guidance for the full year. So now, turning to our results. Mersen delivered a dynamic first half performance. Sales reached EUR 611 million for the first half, leading to a solid organic growth of plus 3.9% EBITDA amounted to EUR 97.4 million, which corresponds to 15.9% of sales. And operating income before nonrecurring items amounted to EUR 56.5 million, representing 9.2% of sales. This represents a solid first half, and with that, we are raising our guidance. Thomas will come back into more detail later on. The 3.9% organic increase in sales compared to the first half of 2025 was driven first by strong growth in North America. We continue to see in the region, a very dynamic electrical distribution business as data centers customers are expanding at a very rapid pace. This is not the only growing market, as aeronautics and wind power are also on a strong momentum. Demand for silicon semiconductors also remained very strong in North America, which, by the way, is even more visible in Asia. Going to Asia Pacific, also reporting significant growth organically, reaching plus 7.6%, even though China remained in negative territory due to weak solar and chemical end markets. As I mentioned in my introduction, the group is extremely well positioned in a wide range of countries. And in this region, even with the decrease in China, we delivered growth in India and in South Korea, driven by rail, semicon, data centers and energy storage markets. Europe is lagging a little bit behind, reporting a slight decrease. This is mainly due to weak chemical market sales, which is in line with the difficult situation of this market. Without this market, the region would have reported positive organic growth. This decline in chemicals hides finally the good performance in aeronautics and rail in this region. During the first half of the year, the group performed well, and I would like to briefly share and comment on some of these key successes we have. We met -- we were able to meet this strong demand for fuses to protect data centers installations in different regions. As mentioned before, data centers is a key growth segment for us, and I will come back with more details in a moment. We also reported significant growth in silicon semiconductors. Mersen is very well positioned in the manufacturing process, especially in the ion implantation phase. Regarding EV, the group has been selected to supply fuses for Ford and Leapmotor. We released our communication on that topic a few days ago. Finally, and this is more for the long term, we are pursuing our partnership with Terra Innovatum for the SMRs that could generate future growth potential. These achievements illustrate very clearly our position in key markets with long-term growth trends, particularly electrification, data centers, energy transition and sustainable moving. Let me explain you now why we see data centers as such an attractive opportunity for Mersen. Behind the AI story, there is, first and foremost, an electricity story. Every new data center requires power generation, grid infrastructure, power conversion and electrical protection. We are present across virtually the entire electrical value chain, supporting these critical infrastructures. It starts upstream with power generation, where we provide solution for renewable energy projects. Electricity then needs to be conducted, transported and stored before it reaches the data centers. At every step of this electrical chain, Mersen provides technologies that help to manage, conduct and to protect the flow of electricity. Our technologies are also present inside the data centers itself, supporting both the electrical infrastructure and the computing equipment. Across this value chain, our Electrical Power business provides critical electrical protection and power management solutions. At the same time, growing demand for data centers also drives a high demand for semiconductors. This benefits our Advanced Materials segment, where our graphite solutions are used in critical semiconductor manufacturing processes. This growth positioning is one of our unique strengths. We are not exposed to a single product or a single application. As investments in data centers continue to accelerate, we benefit from growth across multiple parts of the ecosystem. Looking further ahead, SMRs will complete this ecosystem and will become an additional growth opportunity for the group, and I will come back to that in a moment. For the full year 2026, we expect to exceed EUR 40 million revenue from data centers, roughly twice the level of 2025. In the first half of 2026, we already confirmed this trend by reaching above EUR 20 million. Data centers are also one of the key drivers behind the strong momentum we are seeing in silicon semiconductors, alongside artificial intelligence, electrification and the increasing computing requirements across many industries. This is a market where Mersen enjoys a strong competitive position built over many, many years. Our products are used in several critical stages of semiconductor manufacturing, particularly ion implantation, where our graphite solutions are recognized by leading customers. Our competitive advantages are clear, a global industrial footprint close to our customers, long-standing relationships with the leading semiconductor manufacturers and recognized expertise in high-performance graphite grades. These strengths allow us to benefit from the current acceleration of the silicon semiconductor market. In the first half of 2026, revenue from silicon semiconductors exceeded EUR 30 million, representing a strong double-digit growth compared to last year. And for the full year, we currently expect revenue of more than EUR 60 million. Let me now turn to EV, electrical vehicles. Our strategy in this market is very selective. Rather than trying to participate across the entire EV value chain, we focus on critical electrical protection and interconnection functions, where qualification barriers are high and where our technologies create the most value. We already communicated a few years ago on our nomination with ACC to supply busbars for interconnection and monitoring of battery cells. Recently, we have announced that Mersen has been selected to supply fuses for electrical and hybrid vehicles, manufactured by Ford and Leapmotor, in addition to the nomination received from CATL at the end of 2025. These recent wins demonstrate the growth, the competitiveness of our technologies and the relevance of our global industrial footprint. Finally, let me briefly touch on the small modular reactors, or SMRs. We see this as a promising long-term opportunity rather than a short-term growth driver. The expected growth is primarily driven by the political commitment in the United States and the growing demand for power from hyperscalers. We are well positioned in this market, and we are the only integrated isostatic graphite producer in the United States. We have, therefore, in our portfolio, graphite grades available for SMR key applications such as moderator or reflector blocks. We are also pursuing our collaboration with Terra Innovatum, where Mersen supplies nuclear-grade graphite for the First-of-a-Kind process currently under development. Their ambition is to move toward industrial deployment before the end of the decade. While commercial volumes remain some years away, this illustrates how Mersen is positioning itself on the next generation of energy infrastructure. I will now hand over to Thomas for more details on H1 results.
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveThank you. Thank you, Salvador. The first half was indeed very strong with a very robust performance of the Electrical Power segment. This was driven by, I would say, different drivers, strong growth in power electronics, where we supply different passive components for OEMs. EV was also solid, thanks to the ramp-up of busbar deliveries for ACC. And finally, and maybe more importantly, electrical distribution continues to grow significantly, largely due to the increase in demand for data centers. The Advanced Materials segment also benefited from growth in several markets, silicon semiconductors, as mentioned by Salvador, aeronautics, rail. On the other hand, the activity in chemicals suffered from the difficult situation of this market. Salvador mentioned it. And as far as solar is concerned, we've not seen yet any sign of recovery. And finally, SiC semiconductor sales remained, as expected, at a low level. Volumes have increased but were offset by the nonrecurrence of one-off positive effect linked to the silicon carbide long-term contract renegotiation. Those renegotiations occurred in H1 2025. All in all, we released group sales at EUR 611 million, including a negative exchange rate conversion impact, I would say, of EUR 22 million, mainly in Q1. And what you can see as well is that we have an improvement in organic growth in Q2 compared to Q1. If we come to profitability, the group maintained a good level of operating income and EBITDA. At constant exchange rate, operating income improved by 2% and EBITDA by almost 4%. As expected, the D&A increased as a result of our large CapEx program, and we expect a further increase in H2 as we have planned to commission large equipment. Operating margin reached 9.2% and EBITDA margin, 15.9%. I will now comment in more detail on our operating margin and the move of operating margin between 2025 and 2026, and we have 2 positive effects and 2 negative. Starting with the positive, you can see that our volume was positive and contributed by 90 basis points to the change of margin. Second very positive thing is that the price increases and productivity measures have offset inflation, inflation on raw materials, silver and copper mainly, but as well, inflation on energies and wages. On the other hand, depreciation and amortization have increased, as expected. I mentioned it. And more important, we had to face the positive impact of the renegotiation of long-term contract with our silicon carbide customer in H1 2025. The latter represents about 100 basis points of margin. If we look now in more details by segment, the profitability of Advanced Materials segment has been impacted by the nonrecurrence of renegotiation of the SiC contract I just mentioned. Besides that, price increases and productivity have offset inflation. The Electrical Power segment is growing very strongly, gaining 280 basis points on EBITDA, almost the same in operating margin, thanks to the volume effect. And what's more, we have been very successful in increasing prices, and we expect an even more important impact on H2. If we look at the net income, you can see that it's growing by 5%, and even 10% at comparable rates with very low nonrecurring expenses of EUR 1 million. The net financial expenses are in the same range as last year with a slightly higher cost of debt at 4.9%. And income tax reached EUR 10.6 million. That is an effective tax rate of 25%, which is similar to last year. Coming now to cash flow. I will start with the focus on change in working capital. So the change in working capital was -- over the semester was about EUR 45 million during the first half. It includes different things. First, an impact of EUR 36 million linked to the increased activity, especially in June. We posted high sales in June. So it had raised significantly and temporarily receivables, that will be paid in H2. Second effect, our inventories were revalued to the -- due to the important increase in silver and copper price. Third effect, we also reimbursed part of the SiC customer advances, as expected. And last, as it is every year, we paid net variable compensation in the first half. So, all these effects on working capital were partially offset by additional factoring and by some other effects for a net positive impact of EUR 11 million. So keep in mind that it's an important increase in working capital. But as always, with Mersen, we decrease working capital in H2. So if you look now at the operating cash flow after CapEx, you can see that it's quite similar this year compared to last year with 2 very opposite effects. The first one is the working capital increase I just mentioned, and the second one is a lower CapEx than last year. We spent not a lot of CapEx this half year. And you remember that at the end of the year, we will have lower CapEx than in 2025. So I would like to take the opportunity to comment on the performance in our inventories. Last year, we benefited from a huge decrease in inventory, and this explained at that time, a low consumption of working capital. And this year, we keep a very good performance in inventory. To give some numbers, our inventory level at comparable sales is lower by 9% compared to the same period last year. So if we look now at the net debt, it reached EUR 400 million. The company financial structure remains very solid with a leverage ratio of 2.3. Our liquidity profile is very strong. As you can see, the average maturity of our financing is 5.4 years. We redeemed a private placement Schuldschein in the first half of the year, mainly using our cash in hand. So in other words, we have strong liquidity to cover medium-term repayments. As mentioned by Salvador, all these very positive factors enabled the group to raise its guidance for the full year. We now expect organic growth between 4% and 6%. This is the upper range of our initial guidance for the full year. EBITDA margin before nonrecurring items between 16% and 16.5%, also the upper end of our initial range for the full year. Operating margin before nonrecurring items between 9% and 9.5%. This is above our initial guidance, which was between 8% and 9%. And eventually, our industrial CapEx between EUR 80 million and EUR 90 million, below our initial guidance, which was between EUR 90 million and EUR 100 million. I now [ leave ] Salvador conclude.
Salvador Lamas
executiveThank you, Thomas. Looking ahead, I remain confident in our [ perspectives ]. I'm convinced that Mersen enters the next phase of its development from a position of strength. That strength is built on competitive advantages that are very difficult to replicate, differentiated technologies, demanding qualification processes, long-standing customer relationships and a unique global industrial footprint. We are very well positioned in markets, supported by powerful long-term trends such as low-carbon power generation, electrification, the transition towards direct current, the rapid development of data centers and artificial intelligence, clean mobility, and the broader industrial transition. Of course, the markets will not evolve in a straight line. Each one follows its own cycle, as we experienced in the previous years. But the long-term direction remains unchanged, and we believe Mersen is well positioned to benefit from these structural trends. Over the past few years, we have invested significantly to prepare for these opportunities, particularly in the AM segment, in the Materials segment. Today, our industrial platform is largely in place and our focus increasingly shift from building capacity to generating returns on those investments and [ results ]. We also benefit from a truly global industrial footprint, allowing us to remain close to our customers, while limiting our exposure to geopolitical and trade restrictions. Finally, our financial position gives us the flexibility to pursue disciplined value-creating acquisition as opportunities arise. Altogether, I believe Mersen has the right markets, the right capabilities and the right teams to continue delivering profitable growth and creating value over the long term. As a result, I can confirm our 2029 medium-term road map: sales around EUR 1.7 billion; EBITDA margin of 19%, plus or minus 50 basis points; operating margin of 12%, plus/minus 50 basis points; and ROCE at 13%, plus or minus 50 basis points. I remind you that these objectives have been defined in February 2023 with different exchange rates. With that, thank you, and let's move to you questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Giovanni Selvetti from Berenberg.
Giovanni Selvetti
analystCan you hear me?
Salvador Lamas
executiveYes.
Giovanni Selvetti
analystCongratulations for the results. I have a few questions. One is like about a few numbers just to kind of understand if I got them right. You said that revenues from data centers were around EUR 40 million in H1, whilst from -- for the semiconductor business was around EUR 60 million. Is that correct?
Salvador Lamas
executiveNo, it's the full year amount.
Giovanni Selvetti
analystYes, EUR 60 million for the full year and EUR 30 million in H1. Is that correct?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveYes. I think for data center, it's EUR 40 million for the full year.
Giovanni Selvetti
analystOkay. And maybe you also mentioned that there's -- the increase in the organic growth for the Electrical Power division is also linked to the ramp-up of deliveries of ACC -- for ACC. If you can please quantify that in Q2 and in H1? And my last question is really on the profitability of the electrical power distribution because you clearly mentioned that with volumes, margins are improving. And I was wondering how close you are to full capacity in that division. So how much room you have more to improve margins going forward?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveMaybe I will start with the last question. In fact, in terms of capacity for -- in electrical distribution. In fact, it's not very capital intensive. So you can follow quite easily the capacity increase in capacity without weighting on your margins. And what we can say is that as always, electrical distribution for us is more profitable than -- in the U.S. especially than in other regions. So when we do business in the U.S., it's -- we have a positive mix. So it's profitable for Electrical Power business.
Giovanni Selvetti
analystBut can you just give us a rough quantification of the difference in the profitability, like 2 points more, 3 points more?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveNo, I'm sorry, we don't do that.
Giovanni Selvetti
analystOkay. And yes, and then on ACC?
Salvador Lamas
executiveYes. We don't disclose exactly the number of ACC deliveries. What I can tell you is, H1 deliveries -- the ramp-up continues in ACC. We have delivered more or less close to 3x the volume compared to last year in terms of parts, in terms of volume. It still is behind the schedule of ACC, as probably know. Ramp-up has been a little bit more difficult than scheduled, but we are following this growth, and it keeps growing in H2.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Thomas Renaud from Kepler Cheuvreux.
Thomas Renaud
analystCan you hear me?
Salvador Lamas
executiveYes.
Thomas Renaud
analystI have several questions, please. The first one on pricing. What was the price effect in Q2? And are you, let's say, satisfied with the price increase implemented so far? I have a second question on guidance. As you expect a stronger growth in H2 compared to H1, is the low end of the guidance simply cautious? Or are there specific factors that could bring the growth closer to that level? And I have 2 more questions on data center and working cap. On data center, U.S. peers are reporting orders and sales growth well above 100%, alongside, let's say, 2x to 3x increase in content for new architectures. Are you seeing similar trends? And on working cap, you mentioned the advance payment in H1. Could you please quantify the amounts remain to be repaid over the coming years and how it could impact the working cap profile over the next two years?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveSo the price increase in the second quarter was around 3%. So it's increased compared to the Q1. And it will further increase -- there will be further increase in H2. With regard to the strong growth in H2, you said that the guidance -- that the low end of the guidance is maybe conservative. I would say that, you know what, the environment -- geopolitical, macroeconomic environment is not obvious, changing. So we will see at the end of the year, for us, it's a good level of the guidance what we gave today.
Salvador Lamas
executiveRegarding data centers, I can take that one. Yes, I confirm the numbers are these. We see this trend of [ times 2 ], potentially more on this trend on volume.
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveAnd on working capital, you said that, yes, we still have some advanced payments to be repaid, something between -- I won't give very, very -- I would give rough figures, between EUR 20 million and EUR 30 million to be repaid, but in several years, I mean.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Julien Onillon from Marex.
Julien Onillon
analystYes. Can you hear me?
Salvador Lamas
executiveYes.
Julien Onillon
analystYes. So, a few questions -- 4 questions to start with. The first, could you tell us what your sales are in EV in the first half to EVs? And I got in mind, for the full year, around -- last year, about EUR 30 million. What you could expect for this year in terms of EV sales, considering all the growth you have? A similar question about silicon carbide. You didn't speak so much. I had in mind about EUR 55 million last year. Is it something where you see, however, a bit of growth? You mentioned it's still weak. But could you see some small improvement anyway this year? And 2 specific markets I just want to talk. First, you had contract with the DLA for the defense in the U.S. Potentially, it's going to effectively some missile in the U.S. for using some graphite. Knowing that the U.S. is consuming right now a lot of missile in Iran, are you -- have some numbers to give us on what sort of sales you are doing right now, what could happen for this year? And the fourth question, coming to the Soitec contract, I remember, you have done an impairment on that. But you mentioned that you were working on a solution to a new market. Could you tell us where you're going right now on this specific market -- specific project here? And have you effectively in mind something that you could [ fill ] the investments you have done?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveI will -- thank you for your question. I will answer to the specific numbers you asked. EV is around EUR 15 million in H1, and we give no guidance on the end of the year. And SiC business, silicon carbide business, semiconductor was around [indiscernible] for the H1.
Salvador Lamas
executiveYes. Regarding DLA, DLA, you know it's a defense contract with the Logistics Agency in North America. We are supplying this contract. We communicated the envelope of this contract, which is close to $10 million. We are delivering to that contract, okay? So we don't know at this stage, additional contracts to come. They might be their discussions. But at this stage, it's early to say. And regarding Soitec, yes, we are today focusing on working the diversification program on our processes that we have developed to supply this energy. This is not short-term action. This is medium, long-term impact.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Jean-Francois Granjon from ODDO BHF.
Jean-Francois Granjon
analystCan you hear me?
Salvador Lamas
executiveYes.
Jean-Francois Granjon
analystFour questions from my side. The first one, I would just come back on the -- I don't quite understand the amount of the sales for the SiC business during the first half. So just could you remind us the sales for this business for the first half? The second question is regarding the depreciation. We see, I would say, relative stabilization in H1 compared to last year. Do you expect the similar level for the full year? And the question is, so in fact, your guidance, you expect -- you improved the guidance for EBITDA, but you expect -- you increased more the expectation for the EBIT margin versus the EBITDA margin. So can we explain that by probably less depreciation compared to what you expect previously? The third question is, you have reached a historical level EBIT margin, 14.9% for the Electrical Power. Is it sustainable for the coming years, I would say, on average, 15% or more than that? And the last question, I will come back on the working capital. So if I understand, you expect higher or better level for the working capital during the second half. And could you give us some more color regarding what you expect for the free cash flow for the full year after the EUR 6 million mentioned last year?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveOkay. Maybe I will start with some figures. Sales in SiC, it's around EUR 25 million in the first half. So regarding depreciation impact, yes, it's because exchange rate -- at the same exchange rate impact, depreciation increased by EUR 2 million, compared to the first half last year. And it's less than what was expected because we commissioned, for technical reasons, the CapEx a little bit later this year compared to what we thought at the beginning of the year. So that's why, at the end of it, there will be more depreciation in the second half but still lower that was expected when we made the guidance at the beginning of the year.
Salvador Lamas
executiveI will take the third one regarding the sustainability, we can say, of the Electrical Power performance in terms of EBIT margin. The answer is yes. We -- at this stage, we don't expect any reduction on this performance. The opposite, when we compare this performance to peers, we can say like this, we still can see slight margin improvement in the next months, okay, I should say. So yes, I think it's sustainable, to answer the question.
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveRegarding working capital, I will not give number, Jean-Francois. Why? Because it will depend on the growth in Q1 2027 for working capital. That's why I will not comment today on the cash that will be -- but I can tell you that even with whatever the scenario, the second half would be far better before CapEx, so far better.
Jean-Francois Granjon
analystSo Thomas, we can confirm that normally, you should have a higher free cash flow compared to last year, compared to the EUR 6 million in the last year?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveThis is a fair assumption.
Operator
operatorThere are no further oral questions at this time. So I will now return the conference to the speakers for the writing questions.
Unknown Executive
executiveAnd then, we have several questions from Paul Manigault of Amiral Gestion. I will list them and then you can answer. So regarding data center, Littelfuse mentioned that the new architecture for the 800-volt DC will be very positive for the product by 2 or by 4 compared to the current architecture. Is this the same order of magnitude for you? Second question, new data center might use more SiC semiconductor. When do you see a reverse for the SiC market? You mentioned EUR 30 million of sales for silicon. So I can give again that -- Thomas just mentioned it. It's EUR 25 million for SiC sales in the first term. And last question on that is also comparing to Littelfuse. Littelfuse expects a strong acceleration for Q3. Do you see a similar acceleration for your Electrical Power division in Q3 that also accelerated in Q2? So maybe, we'll start with that.
Salvador Lamas
executiveYes. Thank you for the questions. So yes, I think you've been reading exactly the Littelfuse press releases. That's good. We are in the same type of market, not the same type of product portfolio. So I can say, yes, regarding our portfolio today and the new product portfolio that will come, once this architecture of 800-volt DC will be, let's say, finalized, at least first version, yes, we see a positive impact on some of our product ranges [ times 2, times 4 ]. It's not a surprise. At the same time, moving to 800-volt DC, yes, will trigger some additional opportunities for us in the group, meaning the Advanced Materials segment, where the SiC normally will take over part of this architecture as well. In line with what you mentioned, the question about H2, definitely, H2 we would expect to be higher than H1.
Unknown Executive
executiveSo now, one question on the LTA with SiC customer. Will we have a negative impact in the second half? Or is it, I would say, in the first half?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveThe very last important impact was done in the first half, in fact. Clearly, we have some residual impact in H2, but it's residual.
Unknown Executive
executiveSo now, one question maybe on the breakdown of data center sales. So the question is, so we mentioned EUR 20 million for the first half, EUR 40 million for the full year. Is it split of Asia, U.S.? Any comment on that? Is one region growing faster than the other?
Salvador Lamas
executiveDefinitely, North America is faster than anybody else. We do see recently -- and I think this is the sense of your question -- as capacities have been saturated in North America for data centers providers, I should say, infrastructure suppliers of components as we are, we see an increase in Asia to deliver customers that will position their systems, their solutions in North America. So this is why the number between 50% is difficult to calculate, depending how you look to the situation. So yes, North America is much faster than anybody else.
Unknown Executive
executiveOne clarification also. It was mentioned EUR 60 million for the full year was for silicon semiconductor as the first half is EUR 30 million for silicon semiconductor. And we mentioned also the second part, which is SiC being EUR 25 million for the first half. So there are no other questions on the chat.
Salvador Lamas
executiveAny questions?
Operator
operatorThe next questions come from Julien Onillon from Marex.
Julien Onillon
analystSorry, I just come back with 3 more questions. First. SMR. You mentioned that you will be starting some prototype tests during '26 and '28, new customer will start. Any small sales or it will be really marginal? And have you maybe some idea what could be in 20230 some revenue on this part? Second question, you mentioned about the decline in the sales in chemicals. Could you remind us basically the revenue you have done maybe in H1? What was the decline compared to last year in percentage to have in mind how big was the decline in chemicals? And third question, very technical question maybe, but I've seen on the cash flow statement, there is a EUR 4.6 million scope effect, negative scope effect. What it's about? Because I don't have in mind any acquisition or disposal at this time. So what is this scope effect?
Salvador Lamas
executiveOkay. We'll start with the SMR question. The line was not so good. Hopefully, you got the question right. Yes, this SMR, yes, I explained, is definitely mid, long term. This being said, we already received some orders for the prototypes, for example, with Terra Innovatum. There are other customers as well that we are working today as prototype stage. This will generate very low number of sales, mostly in 2027, not definitely in 2026. So this is still small as of today. We expect really ramp-up of this technology once these reactors start to be qualified by the nuclear authorities in North America. And this is expected between '28, '29, '30, depending on different customers.
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveFor chemicals, in fact, to give you a sense of the decline, it was between minus 15% and minus 20%. This is linked, as we said, to the industry, as well to the fact that the H1 was very, very strong last year. And the chemical sales is around EUR 45 million, I would say, in the first half. And you know what, they are sometimes big orders. So it's -- you can have some very good years, strong years and some declines because of this project effect, I would say. Then the scope effect, in fact, I think you mentioned the fact that there was an activity that was previously in Electrical Power, which now is in Advanced Materials, in fact, for rail industry, contract for rail industry. And in fact, Electrical Power was doing something, Advanced Materials was doing another thing. And we wanted to combine both in the same segment in order to increase synergies.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Jean-Francois Granjon from ODDO BHF.
Jean-Francois Granjon
analystYes. Two more questions from my side. The first one concerns the Advanced Materials business. Without solar and chemicals, could you give us the trend of sales for the first half, growth or not without solar and chemicals? And the second question, due to the fact that, as mentioned by Salvador that EBIT margin is sustainable for the Electrical Power, so more or less 15%. If we expect positive leverage for the Advanced Materials in the coming years? And previously, the margin for this division was quite high. You expect 12% EBIT margin in 2029. It seems quite cautious if we take account 15% for the EP and probably a similar level for the Advanced Materials. So do you confirm that 12% or plus 50 basis points is probably cautious or too cautious for 2029?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveI will answer to that question -- this question, Jean-Francois. In fact, you see that we are not cautious on EBITDA margin, 19% compared to 16% today. And it's reasonable, but it's an increase. Don't forget that we have -- the depreciation will increase a lot. That's why, okay? And that's why -- that makes the difference. So the 12% is not understated, I would say. Okay? And then, for sure, don't forget that -- I forgot that to mention, but don't forget that there is Advanced Materials, EP and central cost well -- Electrical Power and central cost as well. You have to deduct that. Coming back to your first question, yes, if you add back solar, clearly, Advanced Materials is in nice positive territory in terms of growth.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Thomas Renaud from Kepler Cheuvreux.
Thomas Renaud
analystI don't know if I well understood, so just a clarification on what Salvador said. So you are expecting a growth acceleration in Electrical Power in H2, right?
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveWe are seeing increase in -- especially in [ ICs ] in H2, in fact.
Thomas Renaud
analystYou mean prices? Because the question was about Littelfuse Q3 growth acceleration. And you mentioned that you could expect something broadly similar.
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveLittelfuse will also increase prices, so both.
Thomas Renaud
analystYes. But Littelfuse Q3 growth should be higher than what they published in H1, 5 points above, if I remember well.
Salvador Lamas
executiveI cannot comment the Littelfuse assumptions. I don't know them. Clearly, we see an acceleration in H2 compared to H1. It is a combination of both price and volumes related to the activity on Electrical Power. It's true. It's both of them. It's more pricing than volume, probably.
Thomas Renaud
analystOkay. So you expect an acceleration in H2?
Salvador Lamas
executiveYes.
Thomas Renaud
analystOkay. And so, when we look at the basis effect in Advanced Materials, which was down 9% I think last year, we could expect something very strong in H2 at the group level, I think. Okay.
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveWe see -- as we said, we see that the chemical will be lower than what we expected, and chemical is in Advanced Materials. We see no acceleration and no pickup in solar and not at all. And we see not a big deal in -- not a change on SiC semiconductors. So at the end of it, it will be -- we'll see. I will come back to what Littelfuse -- in fact, we were -- in Electrical Power, we were talking about -- we have 2 business units. It's electrical distribution and power protection. We were speaking when we are commenting on Littelfuse, it's electrical distribution, in fact. Electrical protection is not the power conversion effect. So please don't keep in mind that necessarily there will be a huge pickup in Electrical Power globally. So what we said -- we gave the guidance. We don't give guidance per segment. But at the end of it, compared to -- if you do the H2, it will be slightly to much more growth than H1 globally.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Giovanni Selvetti from Berenberg.
Giovanni Selvetti
analystI have last one maybe on M&A. We haven't touched on that. I was wondering if there is any update there, if you're scouting for any deals at the moment? And if so, in which area would you concentrate your targets?
Salvador Lamas
executiveI will take that one. Of course, the answer is, yes. We mentioned it a few months ago as well. We restarted our activities on M&A. It's always difficult or tricky to say something about it. What I can tell is confirm what we said before, and I mentioned, it's bolt-on acquisitions. We are looking at specifically some territories, Europe, North America, Asia, not in China.
Giovanni Selvetti
analystOkay. But is this mainly for the Electrical Power division or for the Advanced Materials, if you can say so?
Salvador Lamas
executiveIt's both.
Unknown Executive
executiveI have one more question on the chat. So could you quantify the opportunity of sales for Mersen per SMR? For instance, [indiscernible] communicated respectively of EUR 10 million and EUR 25 million per SMR with xEnergy.
Salvador Lamas
executiveYes. At this time, I will not give a figure. SMR is a new technology. Depending the customer you have in front, you have different constraints in terms of fuel, in terms of qualification time requirement, in terms of graphite inside each one of the solutions, depending what the technology they are looking for. The only thing I can mention is, these numbers are not at all surprising to me compared to what we could do in the potential future. The question there is, it's not, again, short term. It is long term. And we are today working with, I should say, the good projects or the fastest projects with the highest chances of being qualified as soon as possible. I'm specifically talking about fuel. We know Terra Innovatum. This is the customer. We do know and work with xEnergy as well. But at this stage, we have decided not to communicate any number regarding this SMR.
Unknown Executive
executiveNo more question on the chat.
Salvador Lamas
executiveSo, thank you. Many, many questions today. So we look forward to updating you on our progress on October 28 for Q3 sales figures. So enjoy your holidays, and see you soon.
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you. Bye...
Thomas Baumgartner
executiveBye-bye.
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