Microchip Technology Incorporated (MCHP) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 24, 2023

NASDAQ US Information Technology Semiconductors and Semiconductor Equipment conference_presentation 35 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Harlan Sur

analyst
#1

Okay. Good morning, and welcome to the third day of JPMorgan's 51st Annual Technology, Media and Communications Conference. My name is Harlan Sur, semiconductor and semiconductor capital equipment analyst for the firm. Very pleased to have Eric Bjornholt, Chief Financial Officer of Microchip here with us today. Microchip is the #2 largest microcontroller supplier in the world. It's been a busy earnings season. So I've asked Eric to maybe kick us off with some opening commentary and then be more than happy to jump into the Q&A. So Eric, thank you very much for joining us this morning.

J. Bjornholt

executive
#2

All right. Thanks, Harlan. Thanks for having me. So good morning, everybody. Just give you kind of a quick summary of the business environment for us. Microchip just reported a couple of weeks ago, our fiscal year ended March 31, '23, we had a record year, a record quarter, and we're guiding again for growth in the current quarter, guiding up 2.5% sequentially, expect to have record gross and operating margins, operating margins that's just above 48%, which is above our long-term model. So the company is performing really well. Obviously, we've been in a supply-constrained environment and the environment is changing a bit. Lead times are coming down. And with that, our backlog has shrunk, but we still have a lot of backlog. I'm sure we'll have some questions on the PSP program, but it's still a very popular program and represents well over 50% of our backlog. So the company is executing quite well. We're moving forward with our capital return plans. So we have plans laid out for investors to get to 100% free cash flow return by the March 2025 quarter, so just 7 quarters from now. This quarter, we're returning 67.5% of last quarter's adjusted free cash flow to investors. So the company is executing well, very strong operating margins, great cash flow. CapEx was a bit higher last year and is moderating a bit in the current year as we are catching up on supply. But overall, business is working very well. We had some comments from one of our competitors this morning that I'm sure we'll get some questions on. But with that, I'd like to open it up to Harlan for the Q&A.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#3

Yes. So why don't we start off with that? I mean your conference call wasn't that long ago. As you mentioned, one of your peers in the high-performance analog space reported today and they talked about seeing some weaker dynamics in their end markets and more of a normalization of the business activity going forward. I'm wondering since the time of earnings, has the dynamics change? Obviously, you just talked about sequential growth. This quarter, I know Ganesh had qualitatively said that you certainly don't see declines in the September quarter. I'm wondering if the demand environment has changed? Has the supply side changed? Any differences relative to what you communicated to us back at earnings.

J. Bjornholt

executive
#4

So really, really no change from a couple of weeks ago. We are getting a certain level of request for cancellations and pushouts from customers, but I would say that's really stabilized at this point in time. From an end market perspective, we're still seeing strength in industrial, automotive and our data center business is holding up quite well also. You know that we have a very low exposure to consumer and what we have is really consumer appliance, and that's been the weakest of our end markets for a couple of quarters. But really no change to point out since our earnings call, and we still feel it's very unlikely that the September quarter would be down.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#5

So as is the case during these periods of sort of macro uncertainty, and I know you touched upon it, but -- and demand weakness, you go through periods of customers wanting to reschedule their backlogs. In your case, rescheduling regular and PSP backlog, right? And in addition to seeing a deceleration in order rates, obviously, Microchip team has a very strong backlog coming into this period of weakness. Your customers didn't really have a chance to accumulate, I think, excess inventories due to the industry capacity constraints. All of this is helping to sort of cushion you through this weaker period. But as it relates to request for pushouts, reschedules as well as the current order trends, I mean, have these noisy dynamics, have they all started to stabilize relative to, let's say, the past sort of 2 to 3 quarters?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#6

Yes. I think there is some stabilization that is happening there. Clearly, bookings have been weak for the last couple of quarters, and that's to be expected when we went from being severely supply constrained. And now capacity coming online, whether that's in our internal factories where we do about 38% of our production internally and through the wafer foundry. So capacity is definitely freeing up. We still have a few demand corridors that are constrained but it's getting better. And with that, customers are not feeling the need to give us that extended backlog coverage that they had before. And just a reminder that in a normal environment, Microchip operates in a relatively high turns environment in any quarter. That has not been the case for the last couple of years. Clearly, not the case in the current quarter that we've guided to. But eventually as lead times comes down, we will be in a terms environment. Again, Microchip functions very well in that environment. But the supply environment has definitely improved significantly over the last few quarters.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#7

We had discussed China demand dynamics back in the February earnings call, right? But it was a little bit too early to tell because it was right after the Chinese New Year's holiday. There definitely seems to be slower consumer, corporate spending profile of recovery in this region. And I noticed that your Asia business, which is largely China, was down about 5% sequentially in the March quarter. What did you see in March? And has the team seen any signs of a pickup in China distribution, POS sell-through?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#8

So we really haven't seen a significant increase in activity in China, post-Chinese New Year. So China is definitely our weakest geography today. It was last quarter, as you mentioned, and continues to be today. China is about 21% of our revenue based on where we ship the product. Taiwan is roughly about 15%.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#9

But is it just -- is it sort of just stable/bouncing along the bottom? Or are you continuing to see some declines there? How would you characterize just the profile of that business?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#10

Yes. I say it's okay, but a lot of investors were asking, post Chinese New Year, was there going to be a significant pickup in demand, and we have not seen that develop.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#11

As you mentioned on the last earnings call, you're seeing -- and today, you're seeing better supply availability. The equipment suppliers seem to be catching up now that their leading edge customers are pulling back, right? But still seems as if mature and specialty manufacturing capacity is somewhat tight, right? Especially at 28-, 35-, 55-, 65-nanometer nodes, which support your high-volume, 16- and 32-bit microcontrollers, which are produced by your foundry partners. But I wanted to get your views. I mean, do you anticipate continued tightness with your foundry suppliers, and your views on when you sort of get back to normalized lead times?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#12

So we have several constrained corridors, both at foundry and internally. I would say they are all getting better. You mentioned some of the nodes that we have had constraints on, but we do see improvement happening there, but some is still very tight. And in those tight corridors, we still have a high degree of backlog and lead times have not come down significantly. But that's more the exception than the norm at this point in time. Most capacity corridors are freeing up.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#13

Perfect. Before I move away from sort of the near to midterm, does anybody have any questions? Feel free to just raise your hand, and we'll get a mic over to you. So this didn't come up on the earnings call, but you did point it out in your quarterly presentation, but the team mentioned signing several long-term supply agreements with some of your major customers, right? I assume these are very different from your PSP agreements, which are typically only 12 months in length. And so it's great to have these longer-term agreements in place because it gives the team the ability to plan your longer-term capacity needs. It obviously gives your customers peace of mind in future assurance of supply. But other than longer-term horizon, I mean, how do these LTAs differ from your PSP program? And what is primarily -- what is -- who is it you're primarily focused on? Is it primarily your industrial and automotive customers?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#14

Okay. So these long-term supply agreements or LTSAs, as we call them, have been put in place with several of our larger customers. This is the customers that have been participants in the PSP program and been served very well for that. And typically, there are customers that have durable demand, the end products that they are selling, the semiconductor content in those products tends to be a very small percentage of the end sale price of whatever it is they're selling. And so those that have been hurt during supply and demand crunch and also serve us very well through PSP, are doing things proactively to make sure that their supply is going to be available for them. And essentially, customers that have these LTSAs have the highest degree of a surety from Microchip that we will meet what their expectations are from the demand. So in the short term, these are typically 5-year agreements. They can vary a little bit, but typically 5-year agreements. And in the short term, they tend to function just as PSPs. So customers required to give us 12 months of kind of exact visibility of what they need. And then there's an appendix to the agreements that kind of list out the types of products, or the specific products that they will be buying, and then they can vary the volume on that as they get out in time beyond 12 months. So let's just make sure that Microchip is going to be able to support them well. Again, they get the highest level of support from us, and these are all happy customers. And essentially, these LTSAs give us a great opportunity to continue to build on these relationships that strengthen actually through the supply and demand crunch, and having much higher level conversations at suite levels with customers and open up new design opportunities for us. Typically, there's skin in the game from the customer where they give us a prepayment for a portion of that supply that extends over 5 years. And then the expectation is, is when Microchip delivers and customer places orders over that 5-year period that they earn that cash back.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#15

Is pricing fixed over that 5-year period? I know volume is a little bit flexible, but is pricing fixed over the life of the LTSA?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#16

Pricing is not fixed. Just like the PSP program, it's a unit volume program. And if we have inflationary pressures in the business, which we hope we don't, but we've definitely seen that in the last 2 years, we can pass those pricing increases on to the customer. That's not our intention, but if the environment calls for it, the customer understands that it is not a pricing program. It's a commitment on units that we will provide.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#17

On the motivation for customers or major customers that want to enter into these LTAs, there appears to be some growing momentum for auto, industrial, defense-related customers to ensure more domestic chip usage on future programs, right? U.S. National Defense Authorization Act, which was put in place in December, had some additional restrictions on some China chip suppliers selling into U.S. military and government entities. I know auto suppliers selling to -- auto and industrial customers, I think, are getting wind of this. They're getting a big concern on a broadening maybe of these types of restrictions. And then you layer on top of that the past 3 years and the supply disruptions and so on. This is probably a mid- to longer-term driver of the business, but I mean, has the team seen a pickup in customer engagements driven by all of these dynamics?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#18

I wouldn't say that it is significant. Obviously, we do have our wafer fab footprint for what we manufacture internally is in the U.S. Our 3 major fabs are in Arizona, Oregon and Colorado. And so that can be helpful for certain customers. But ultimately, customers are looking for a surety of supply and diversification of the supply chain. And our foundry partners are getting the same message, either from us, other of their customers or from the end customers that they ultimately support and are making appropriate investment decisions based on that in multiple geographies.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#19

Any questions from the audience? So let's talk about your technology, market share position and a few other dynamics. So the Gartner share numbers were out for calendar '22. I know they underreported your MCU share. But whether by your numbers or the Gartner numbers, you guys delivered another strong year of share performance, right? You outgrew the MCU market by 7-plus percentage points. You gained about somewhere between 100 and 200 basis points of share. You took share in all of your markets, 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit. But the fastest growing was your 32-bit. Here, you grew 32-bit by 30% plus versus the market at 26%. Is it your total system solution strategy, driving the strong share gains? Is it the megatrends, which we'll talk about in a second? Or was it just relatively better supply versus your competitors that drove the strong share performance last year?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#20

It's going to be a variety of factors. Ultimately, you have to have the right product set to make customers successful. You have to have not just the hardware, but you have to have the software, and then the support that goes around that. Some of that can be TSS, the total system solutions and what we provide: Reference designs, the application support. So all those things over time is what help us gain market share year in and year out. I can't point to a single thing this last year. Everybody was supply constrained. And clearly, that impacted Microchip, it impacted others, too. So I don't think that was a major driver of share gain this last year.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#21

Your FPGA business, I mean, you drove record FPGA revenues in your fiscal year ended in March, where it was up 38%-plus higher than corporate average gross margins. Number 3 or number 4 in global FPGA share, strong position in the midrange segment of the market, right? Your Polar family has been sort of the workhorse of the portfolio. You have some newer products like your Fusion family that integrates analog, mixed signal, along with your FPGA blocks. What end markets, applications, is this team really driving the most growth and seeing the most customer adoption?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#22

Yes. So our FPGA business is doing great. It's very high margin, both in gross and operating margin business for us, and it's grown quite well, as you pointed out, and Ganesh talked about on our last earnings call. So really, the product is known for being really the lowest power in the industry, having exceptional reliability and then having excellent security on top of that. From an end market perspective, clearly Microsemi, where this business came from, had its roots in aerospace and defense, industrial and communications. But we also have a growing presence in automotive and FPGA solutions. So it's a broad-based business. It's doing extremely well. We've got new product introductions that are coming out that are going to expand even on what the PolarFire product has done historically. So it's doing really well. We're excited about it, and it fits in really well with our total system solution approach to the marketplace because these tend to be complex systems that the FPGA is being sold into and create a lot of opportunities for our other products to cross-sell around it.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#23

Yes. That's a good lead into my next question, which does want to focus on your total system solution strategy, right? And I asked this question every year, hoping that the team will have an update for us, because I believe this is a big part of the growth in share gains. And you can get a sense of the breadth of your TSS offerings by just looking at -- I always look at 2 of your major distributors websites. And by my last check, they listed something like 4,200 reference designs for Microchip, and that's up substantially from a few years ago. How effective are these reference designs in helping to drive TSS? And do you have any updated metrics you can share with us? And if not, maybe qualitatively on a year-over-year basis, is the team continuing to drive increasing dollar content per customer engagement?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#24

Okay. Yes. So TSS has been a focus for us for a number of years now. And really, post the Microsemi acquisition, when we've been purely focused on organic growth and not busy looking for the next acquisition or integrating an acquisition, that's been the team's focus. And so it's been a major driver of our growth. We can see it in our design funnel. Absolutely, the number of parts per system is growing. We haven't shared those metrics externally. But I think at the end of the day, the results are shown, and the results that Microchip has produced in terms of revenue growth, and the market share gains, some of which that you've pointed out. So it's doing fantastic. It's a key element of our business fundamentals going forward. There's not a customer discussion that happens where we don't try to bring value to them. We mentioned reference designs, right? So that's a great starting point for an interaction with the customer. And we can tweak that design to the customers' end application need. But we're trying to be more valuable suppliers to our customers and be more sticky over time. And the more products that we can sell to them make their life easier from an engineering perspective, speed their time to market, it's helpful in building those relationships.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#25

We have a question up here. If we could get a mic up here.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#26

Two questions actually. First, you earlier said that you expect your revenues in the third quarter to be flat sequentially. Is that essentially being supported by a drawdown in your backlog? And would your book-to-bill be -- do you expect to be below 1 in the third quarter? The second question is, can you speak a little bit specifically to lead times from your auto customers?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#27

Okay. So the specific commentary that we've made on the September quarter is that it is very unlikely that it will be down. So we haven't guided flat. We haven't guided up. But the confidence to make that statement is really driven by the backlog that we have in place and the manufacturing capacity that we have in place to be able to drive that. So I think we're in a good position. Our thoughts regarding the September quarter have not changed. I think another piece of your question was expectation on book-to-bill. So when lead times are coming down, you would expect that your book-to-bill would not be positive. We don't break out book-to-bill specifically, but we've had relatively weak bookings for the last few quarters. And as lead times continue to come down as supply comes on, I think that will likely continue. But book-to-bill is not a great way to measure what the expectation is for the future. Lead times is a better way to do that. In our past, we have had a heavy turns-oriented businesses, I think I said in my opening remarks, and we would expect to get back down there again. We haven't really been in a normal environment since we acquired Microsemi. We had the U.S.-China trade war that followed shortly thereafter. Followed by COVID, followed by all these supply and demand conditions that have been different than what we've seen historically. But eventually, we do want to get our lead times down to much lower levels. We've said in the second half of calendar '23, we expect the lead times to be at 26 weeks or less on an average basis. And for some of our, what I'd call classic Microchip products, it's not unusual to have 8-week lead times, 10-week lead times, 12-week lead times. And as that happens, as we get there, backlog will continue to come down, but it's not a sign that revenue is destined to fall significantly. Was there a third piece to your question, sorry?

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#28

Auto lead times.

J. Bjornholt

executive
#29

Okay. Auto lead times. So we don't break out lead times automotive versus industrial versus data center. But generally, lead times, they're not at 26 weeks on average today, but they have come down from where they were at 52 weeks. They've come down and they are continuing to fall, and we have confidence that they'll be 26 weeks or below on average, kind of across the board. But there will still be some capacity corridors that are constrained. Harlan talked about that in some of his questions, that we still do have a few corridors that are constrained. But outside of that, we'd expect lead times to normalize.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#30

Any other questions? Right up here.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#31

Historically, you've shown very resilient margins through the cycle. Right now, your margins are looking in middle to the top range of your terminal targets that you have. How should we think about your margin profile over the next 3 years and coming out of the next cycle? Is there structurally more upside? And how much support on the downside should we think of?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#32

Yes. So we introduced our, what I'll call our new long-term model back at our Analyst Day in November of 2021. And we've essentially gotten there on the gross margin side and well exceeded it on the operating margin side. And we've had challenges over the last 18 months in getting people hired. And so the team has done an extremely good job with a low level of resources to be able to support the growth that we've had. And we'd expect to kind of grow back into that operating expense model over time. I don't think in the current fiscal year that we will see operating expenses as a percentage of sales meet that model though. We're well below it today. And we're paying our variable compensation quarterly bonuses at a very high level. And those are things that we can back off immediately of, if we were faced with a softer patch of the cycle. So I think the operating model is set up extremely well. On the gross margin side, we've done a good job of getting margins to the level that they're at today. We are less dependent on internal manufacturing than we have been historically as a percentage of sales. And typically, if you hit a weaker environment, you're faced with underutilization charges. And since it's a smaller percentage of our cost of sales, I'd expect the fluctuations and gross margins to be more muted than they've been historically. On margins, we tend to get questions on pricing, because pricing has increased with the inflationary pressures that we've had on the business over the last 2 years. But those prices are here to stay. They aren't going down. We're not looking to increase customers in the future unless inflation continues at high levels, and we get impacted that way. But we are very confident that our average selling prices will remain stable at this point going forward and would only increase if we had inflationary pressures, but we're not planning on dropping prices.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#33

Long-term [indiscernible] cycle?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#34

So the follow-up question, I guess was part of the first question was longer term, where we'd expect those gross and operating margins to be. And we've shown that over time, throughout the cycles, we've had higher highs and higher lows in gross and operating margins, and that would be my expectation. When gross margins get to a certain level, you have to balance growth and revenue and those margins. So we're not, at this point in time, looking to take gross margins significantly higher. But now is probably not the right time to be updating our long-term model. There's a lot of fear out there from investors that the wheels are going to fall off the bus and Microchip is going to crash and burn. That is not what we see in our future. But I don't think this is the right time for us to be updating the model. But we have high confidence in the model that we've put out there. think over time as the top line grows that we'll continue to show improvements.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#35

Any other questions? So I guess following up on that as I think about the long-term model. I know -- I agree with you now is not the right time to be doing it. But currently, you're driving 16% year-over-year growth. Your OpEx as a percentage of sales is running about 3 percentage points lower than your target, right? The team has strong $9 billion of revenue scale. You've demonstrated the ability to drive share gains, market leadership, cross-selling opportunities. I mean, if you continue to drive your revenues within your long-term CAGR of 10% to 15%, it's going to be hard for the team to drive your OpEx ratio higher from here. And therefore, you should continue to drive operating margins at or above the high end of your long-term targets. I mean, is there something that I'm missing here?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#36

There's really nothing that you're missing, Harlan. Again, it kind of comes down to where we are and where the perception is and where we are in the cycle in terms of not updating the long-term model. But we're highly confident that we're going to maintain high gross and operating margins, the same as I said to this gentleman in the front's last question. So I think we're in a good position for that. The OpEx as a percentage of sales on a non-GAAP basis this quarter are projected to be 20.3% of revenue, and the long-term model is 22.5% to 23.5%. If Ganesh was sitting here, he would say that we need to make sure that we're making the appropriate investments in the business to drive growth and profitability 5, 10 years out in time from a new product and a customer support perspective. So we're going to continue to invest. So you shouldn't think that maybe we can stay at the 20.3%. But if the top line continues to grow at healthy rates, it's going to be hard to advance at the rate of growth.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#37

Exactly. That's right. Perfect. Okay. So in your industrial business, there's -- everybody's industrial business is different and Microchip's profile is quite a bit different. I mean, you have good exposure to all of the trends, like factory automation, building automation, robotics and so on, test and measurement. But the team, I believe, has outsized exposure to the aerospace and defense markets, which is in the industrial business, activity around commercial space programs, new satellite constellations, defense spending all look strong for the next several years. You guys are #1 in the space and a strong player in the defense market. So help us understand the size of the A&D franchise within Microchip, your visibility, the growth trends and sustainability of this segment in a weak macro backdrop this year.

J. Bjornholt

executive
#38

Okay. So we report the A&D business as part of our industrial end market, which is roughly 41% of the total revenue. A&D is in the range of 8% to 10% of total revenue, and it's a very solid, high-margin business for us, and it has been stable. The piece of it -- that, is -- the largest is defense. Defense is the largest piece of that. Space, which you talked about, tends to be a little bit more lumpy with programs, but those programs are continuing to be invested in, and we've got good design, some that go well into the future on that. The third piece of it is commercial aviation. And many of the companies that are building airplanes have 7 or 8 years that they really haven't been building significant amounts, and travel has increased significantly now. So we are seeing a significant uptick in that portion of the business, too. So it's really good business. Most investors don't think about it in the same way as they might kind of industrial IP, automotive and the growth trends. But it's stable, high margin continuing to grow. And there's also a lot of allied countries that are investing in defense spending, and we are participating in that heavily.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#39

Data center. I know that there was some cautiousness by the market going into your earnings call around data center because data center fundamentals have been rather weak, but -- and data center and compute is about 20% of your overall business. And I assume data center within that is the bigger contributor, right? And your data center products are quite application-specific, so much easier to track, grade, storage controllers, enterprise controllers, PCI switches, Ethernet PHY, et cetera, right? As I mentioned, the demand dynamics in cloud and enterprise have clearly weakened. But the Microchip's data center business clearly is holding up quite well. I think last call, you mentioned exposure to some of these accelerated compute dynamics with your strong PCIe switching product family. What other segments within data center are seeing strong demand trends?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#40

So maybe I'll start by just saying that this business has performed extremely well really since we've acquired Microsemi. And the data center, the largest piece of the data center came to us. There's other pieces of the Microchip business that support that historically, and it's been very supply constrained. And so we still have backlog to catch up on that business, and that will help us maintain and grow that business from where it is today. It did grow as a percentage of revenue in terms of our end market exposure last year. And data center is the, by far, the largest piece of our data center/computing business. So that's just kind of the first part of your commentary. So in addition to the PCI switches that you mentioned, timing products have been quite strong in data center, root of trust. And then as well as we have requirements for data center interconnect, memory infrastructure solutions and active electric cable solutions. So the other piece of it is we also enable the most efficient power supplies in the industry with our dsPIC products, these are classic Microchip products as well as some of our analog products.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#41

Perfect. Back to the financials. You're driving 48% operating margins this quarter over the last 2 down cycles. Peak-to-trough operating margins declined about 200 basis points. If I go back further in the last 4 to 5 cycles, peak-to-trough operating margins declined on average about 400 basis points. So over time, not only has the business grown but earnings power cyclicality has also become more muted. What are the biggest factors driving this favorable profile? Is it diversification? Is it revenue scale, end market focus or a combination of all of the above? Am I missing anything?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#42

No. I mean I think you've summarized it there. I mean, ultimately, it's the depth of the product portfolio, the diversification we have for manufacturing, which I talked about. And one of the answers to the previous questions about how only about 38% of our manufacturing on a wafer fab side is internal. And so that allows us, with very long-lived products to be able to invest in those products and build some inventory in a down cycle. And that the situation that we're in today with the higher level of inventory that you've seen, our internally manufactured inventory is still quite low. Our foundry inventory is higher. And so we've made some adjustments to our foundry purchases, which were very constrained. And so when that capacity started to free up business units and operations team kind of jumped on getting that product, but probably got a little bit further out ahead than we needed to, and now we're moderating that. And so that's going to contribute to the 5- to 10-day reduction in inventory that we're forecasting for the current quarter as well as focusing on having the right level of raw materials. Again, in a supply-constrained environment, we were keeping more of that house. But our internal factories, we're continuing to run those at a high level. We'd be comfortable building inventory if we hit a softer patch for a period of time, which would help margins remain at a high level. And throughout the cycles, we've seen higher highs and higher lows in gross margin.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#43

In the March quarter, the team hit an important milestone that as is you drove your net leverage ratio below 1.5x, unlocking 5 percentage point increase in your free cash flow return per quarter until you hit 100% in about 7 quarters. So between now and then, will the team be paying down debt? And what's the target ratio on the capital return, dividend versus buyback?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#44

Okay. So as we go through this journey from going from 67.5% of free cash flow return to 100%, getting to 100% 7 quarters from now, we're continuing to be paying down debt. For example, in the current quarter, we'd expect to probably pay down $300 million, $350 million of debt. So leverage will continue to come down, and we're below our long-term leverage target today. And I think it's appropriate in a rising interest rate environment to continue to use some of our free cash flow to pay down debt. So that's what we're doing. The second portion of your question related to the capital return strategy and split of dividend versus buyback. Historically, our dividend has been lower than the buyback since we introduced the program. That flipped a little bit this quarter because we made some pretty significant investments last quarter in working capital that will flip this quarter. So it's still going to be quite a period of time before dividend catches up on a long-term basis with the amount of stock buyback, which is good in this environment where we think we have an undervaluation in the marketplace, and we'll continue to address that internally by buying back more stock. Over time, we think we'd probably get to about a 50-50 split between dividend and buyback. The dividend is increasing sequentially or increased sequentially this quarter by 7% on a quarterly basis. Last year, we increased it 9% per quarter. And the Board makes that determination each quarter, but you should expect the dividend to continue to grow quite nicely on a sequential basis.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#45

As it relates to onshoring initiatives, U.S. CHIPS Act programs, you're already benefiting from the investment tax credit equipment purchases targeted for domestic manufacturing. Any updates on the potential for grants? I know applications have been submitted, right? Any updates for us there?

J. Bjornholt

executive
#46

Yes. So we've submitted a couple of pre-applications, working on a couple of others. And we don't know what the results of that is going to be, but we do have expansion activities planned in the U.S., and we think we are a prime candidate for receiving funds. So we're going to work through the process and see what we can get. And we think that, that can help us accelerate investments in certain areas and provide some unique advantages for our customers with that domestic footprint.

Harlan Sur

analyst
#47

Great. Well, thank you for the insights today, Eric, and I appreciate your participation.

J. Bjornholt

executive
#48

Great. Thanks, Harlan. Thanks, everybody.

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