Mister Car Wash, Inc. (MCW) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 8, 2022

US Consumer Discretionary Diversified Consumer Services conference_presentation 32 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#1

Okay. Thanks, everyone, for joining us for this next presentation. My name is Chris O'Cull. I'm one of the consumer analysts here at Stifel. Our next fireside chat is with Mister Car Wash. Mister is the largest national car wash brand in the U.S. with roughly 400 locations in 21 states. The company is expanding by developing new locations and acquiring existing washes, targeting at least high single-digit top line growth and low double-digit bottom line growth. I want to thank CEO, John Lai; and CFO, Jed Gold, for joining us today. Thanks, guys.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#2

John, based on my conversations with several industry participants have concluded that you're one of the few leaders in the industry that can start a sentence based on in my experience, and people should actually listen to it.

John Lai

executive
#3

If anything, if we zig, they should zag.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#4

Yes. No. I mean it's an industry that doesn't have a lot of experienced leaders. So I'm excited to have you here.

John Lai

executive
#5

Well, I appreciate that. Thank you.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#6

So with that introduction, I'll kick it off with a conversation. Maybe we'll start with the proverbial high-level state of the consumer question. There's been a lot of discussion at the conference just around the current state of consumer spending and how durable that spending may be this year. Let's just -- I thought we could start with you just quickly describing how consumer spending has been for Mister? And maybe what signs or behavioral shifts that you kind of monitor to determine that spending is weakening?

John Lai

executive
#7

Yes. So we feel very fortunate. We're in a great space right now, a great category where the demand for our service has remained unbelievably strong. And so I think there's a question looming over this conference, over the entire kind of U.S. economy right now around consumer spend and what's going to happen, particularly as a -- technically a consumer discretionary. Our service behaves and acts more like a staple than it does as discretionary. And if I can simplify cars will always get dirty, they'll always need to be cleaned. And a question around, well, if people are starting to tighten their belts and if their budgets are being stretched thinner and thinner, where does carwash fit in that? And what we're seeing day in and day out is that the demand remains strong and steadfast. We've got cars lined out to the street. We're setting records left and right. And so there's a little bit of a disconnect in terms of the doom and gloom and all the things we're hearing about what's happening in the U.S. economy with respect to inflation. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that, one, Americans love their vehicles. and want to care for their assets and want to keep them clean. They want to project a positive image and as an expression of themselves, there's an extension that, that car is more than just transportation. So we feel, again, very fortunate that we're in a category where people feel good. It's an affordable service. I don't know if I subscribe to the affordable luxury kind of tagline, but for $9 or $10, you can keep your car clean, and that's an accessible price point, I think, to all Americans. And we serve multiple demographics. When you look at our subscription-based program, which I'm sure you'll have some questions about later on, we've had a $19.99 Unlimited Wash Club package. And if you were to zoom out and look at transportation cost for the average household and what people are typically spending on their vehicle with respect to car payments and insurance and gas and people looking under every rock to say, well, look, miles driven. How does that impact car demand? What you're paying to keep your car clean is a very, very small sliver, and it's one where people actually enjoy that. Fixing your transmission, you may not have as much joy in cutting that check, but keeping your car clean, they certainly do. So for all those reasons, we're smiling today. And there's no wrinkles in our forehead.

Jedidiah Gold

executive
#8

And Chris, just to build on that a little bit. So you go back to Q1, put up a plus 11% comp store sales. We reemphasized the guide of 5% to 7% on the year. Q2, looking at a 0% to 2% on the quarter. But I think the part of the magic here is that subscription program, we added 125,000 new subscription members, which was ahead of our internal forecast and what we were targeting. Some of the other metrics that we look at is monitoring that churn and how did churn, we actually saw improvement during Q1 and the churn by about 30 basis points from what we've historically been. And then the other metric that we don't talk as much about, but it's an important one that gives a sense as to the overall health of the consumer and how they view Mister's services is the conversion rate and converting those retail customers into the subscription program, and we saw an improvement of about 40 to 50 basis points on that conversion or that capture rate during the quarter as well. So looking at all the indicators, it's a positive story that especially the subscription model, which has proven to be more of a resilient, predictable reoccurring revenue stream.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#9

That's great. Let's move on to some secular questions here. It's hard to overstate how fragmented the carwash industry is at this juncture. And so maybe help us frame up how you're thinking about the ultimate opportunity in terms of unit potential, wash potential for Mister relative to where you sit today with around 400 washes?

John Lai

executive
#10

Yes. So with 400 stores, we actually see ourselves as quite small, honestly. Even though we're the leader within our space, it comes with an asterisk less than 5% market share. However you want to estimate the -- in terms of TAM and size of market. So we believe today that the market is underserved. There's more demand than there is supply. And as a result, we've got this beautiful natural tailwind with more consumers coming into the category, more people washing more often with respect to the introduction of the subscription plans and how easy it is for them to keep it clean all the time. And so to that end, when we look at the space, we're guesstimating that there's roughly 10,000 conveyorized car washes in the U.S. We believe, and this is an estimate, that the market can double in size. It's a huge U.S. car park, as many of you know, 285 million vehicles in the U.S. And every store that we're opening right now, we're enjoying amazing success, and it's just emboldening us to not just double down but to triple down to support this ever-growing demand. So today at 400, we've set our targets on 1,000. And even with that, if the market is going to double in size, we would still remain a relatively small market share. And to be in a position where we have this almost unlimited growth opportunity in front of us is a pretty great spot to be in.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#11

What's your market share today in the markets that you compete in? And what's your goal?

John Lai

executive
#12

Yes. So again, we estimate that we're roughly about a 20% share across the board. So we're in 21 states, about 70 MSAs, depending upon how you want to define that city. And our -- with a 20% market share, we think 50% is a really good healthy target. 100% is not the objective. And we do have examples, El Paso, Texas, Bakersfield, California, Des Moines, Iowa, where we have north of 50% and the AUVs in those markets, how well we're performing. We've coined a word that we thought was kind of cool and sexy called the network effect. But the vision there is that the more options we have for our members, the more stores that are more conveniently placed throughout a metropolitan marketing area, it increases the value proposition of our membership. So again, the bigger the presence, the more convenient it is for our members, the stronger that value prop and it gives us a competitive advantage against the independent operator that may have 1 or 2, maybe 3 stores. And the strength of that, whether or not the consumer is using more than 2 or 3 locations, there's a whole another question. The fact that they have that option, again, is helping us. So we're growing as quickly as we can. I think the challenge for any high-growth company is the rate of growth and doing it in a way where we're actually lifting our standards and making sure that things don't get wobbly. And we're very mindful of that because at the very core for any of you that have been to a Mister Car Wash, we have very high operating standards. And for us, the customer experience is paramount. So yes, growth is a central mandate, but it's growing at the right pace so that we're getting better over time and things don't water down.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#13

So the private market has seen valuations increase significantly the past few years as more financial sponsors have entered the space, and I understand many have been attracted to the economics of the wash and also the recurring revenue with the subscription services. But many of these companies that are being formed lack experience running a wash company with multiple markets. How is the inflow of capital and just that dynamic of having more inexperienced operators come into the system like that? How is that affecting your company? And what are you watching out for with this kind of dynamic happening?

John Lai

executive
#14

Yes. So first, let me say that we have the utmost respect for some of the great regional operators that are out there that have done a really amazing job, and I can rattle off a bunch of regional brands that do really, really well. With respect to private equity and the influx of private equity that has come bearing into the category, I think oftentimes, you can underestimate or over -- when you look at a market and say, hey, this is highly fragmented mom-and-pop, ripe for consolidation. And there's more than -- there's room for 2 or 3 major players in any 1 region or on a national scale that there's room for more. And what we're seeing right now is so many PE firms desperate to try and replicate the success that others have had are paying up. And so valuations are lofty right now to the point where we want to make sure that, one, we're highly disciplined in our approach to M&A. We're focused very much on the quality of the assets and the upside growth potential. And at the very core, not overpaying for those assets because if you overpay for them, you're living with that for a long time. And so there is a little bit of a disconnect, valuations being so lofty. And as we look at the purchase price of some businesses, and we compare that to our greenfield operations and the economics around what it costs to build a greenfield location. It's really -- the answer is pretty obvious for us to focus on greenfields. And if I can spend some time on our greenfield business, we've taken and leveraged the learns over 100 businesses that we've acquired over the last 25 years. And like in any experiment, you learn good things. There's good best practices that you take, but there's also some things that you don't want to replicate, that you can learn from either the design, footprint, mousetrap, operating procedures. And all those learns have been beneficial for us because we baked them into our new prototype. And the 40-some-odd greenfields that we've opened thus far are performing really, really nicely. And as a result, when you look at those economics, we're saying, hey, that's really where we should be spending the bulk of our energy. We will remain acquisitive. We'll continue to look for good opportunities that have a strategic benefit to helping us get into either a new market or strengthening our position in an existing market. But right now, as we look at our future, we're going to spend a considerable amount of energy on greenfields.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#15

I want to talk about that next. So one last question that I have about the influx of capital coming into the space, I'm a little concerned that you're going to get to a point where you could see a lot of saturation in certain markets that are kind of growthy markets and inexperienced operators opening up right across from each other and a lot of price gouging and that kind of thing. Is that a concern yet in your mind?

John Lai

executive
#16

There will be a point when the music starts to slow down. We haven't seen it yet so we're trying to predict when and where. I think there's a market specific element to that question, where some markets are a little bit more competitive than others. But broadly speaking, there's a lot of white space. There's a lot of -- I mean just looking in our own backyard, right, in the markets that we are intimately familiar with. And 5 years ago, when we look at building out an MSA, we would look at it through kind of this geographic spatial balance and saying, hey, in the northwest quadrant of the city, we need to have a store. And where we were kind of missing the boat was in some of our more high profile, high -- most productive stores. Should we be a little bit more defensive in making sure that we're kind of building a moat around many of those locations and not letting others come into that space. So this notion of cannibalization and early on in our life cycle, it was like this 3-mile radius notion, which was somewhat arbitrary. Now we're building stores within that 3-mile range and seeing growth in both the mothership store that we built right next to as well as the new store. And so that's, again, telling us that there's a lot of demand out there that we need to fulfill.

Jedidiah Gold

executive
#17

And Chris, just a little bit more on that, right? So if you look at the growth by region, right? We're seeing strong growth across all regions. When you break down the growth by vintages and you're looking at our most mature locations, which were 2012 and prior, they were growing at 9%. They grew at 9% during Q1. So really strong growth across the portfolio. So to John's point, we're not seeing that day yet.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#18

So you guys have committed to opening -- to 30 openings this year in state that you'd like to get to a pace where you can maybe open a wash a week. Can you give us an update on where you are in terms of building out the infrastructure of the team to get to 50-plus units a year?

John Lai

executive
#19

Yes. So we've quadrupled the team in the last 2 years, and we're going to continue to make investments, particularly in the human capital side, right? So making sure both from a real estate sourcing and construction and development as well as look at -- look for more creative ways to partner with some preferred developers in markets where we may not have that infrastructure in place today. So we're, in a lot of ways, in the early stages of this new muscle, but it's one where we're really excited about without tipping our hands to any of the competitors that may be listening to this fireside chat.

Jedidiah Gold

executive
#20

Keep in mind, it's about an 18-month build-out. The complexity of a car wash build is -- it's a lot more complex than a restaurant or another traditional retailer just given the science and complexity that goes into this. So it's about an 18-month build-out time, but we're confident saying that, that 1 per week that we're targeting that by the end of next year, which implies we've got the team in place to get to that point by the end of next year.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#21

That's great. Oh go ahead.

John Lai

executive
#22

Yes, we tell our team that Starbucks opens up 2 stores a day in China alone. And they'd say, take it easy, take it easy, okay. Building a car -- there's a lot of engineering that goes into a car wash, the land prep alone can be north of $1 million just to prep with respect to all of the stuff that is necessary to -- before you even go vertical. So Jed's comment is spot on. I mean this -- and we're looking for ways to compress that time line. Once we actually break ground, we can -- in theory, I think our target is under 6 months, right?

Jedidiah Gold

executive
#23

Yes.

John Lai

executive
#24

But from site selection to washing cars, it's right now about 1.5 years.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#25

And can you guys remind us what the economics are for a new unit? And what I mean by that, what's the average investment for 150-foot tunnel? I mean what's the sales margin maybe in year 1, 3? Just how does that maturity look?

Jedidiah Gold

executive
#26

Yes. So really strong unit economics when you look at the car wash base. From a gross CapEx perspective, it's just under $6 million, about $5.8 million, and that factors in some of the recent inflationary pressures that we've been seeing. But then the majority of these new builds were purchasing the land, and then we'll go into a sale leaseback on the land and driving the net investment down to about $1.8 million to $2 million per location. And then by year 3, we're targeting these to be fully ramped, which is just over $2 million in AUV and about a 50% 4-wall EBITDA margin by year 3. But to the point earlier, these are ramping really nicely, and we're getting there ahead and seeing a less than 3-year payback on these greenfields.

John Lai

executive
#27

Every time we share these numbers, there's an investor in the audience that says, why am I doing what I'm doing, I should be washing cars, literally. and so as a result, the best kept secret is no longer a secret. I mean, it's -- this has become a very hot category, a very -- can I call it a sexy sector? I never thought we'd be viewed as a sexy sector. But as a result, there's a building boom going on. And there's a lot of folks out there trying to build out each of these regional markets.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#28

Would you ever consider franchising Mister Car Wash?

John Lai

executive
#29

We've talked about it, and it's not the word control freaks, but with respect to the margins that Jed had talked about, we prefer to enjoy those margins ourselves versus taking a lot less through a franchise fee. And I could go into some of the pros and cons of franchising versus company ops, but we like our approach right now.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#30

Fair enough. So I'm curious if there's a certain number of locations within a certain amount of time that you target when you go into a market. I mean how do you go to -- I mean, going into a new market, I'm sure there's a penetration strategy. Maybe talk a little bit about that?

John Lai

executive
#31

Yes. So our initial approach -- and it's worked for us is moving into a new geography through an acquisition, through M&A. And the definition of a platform is pretty loose. But for us, it's at least a 4-store ideally. And if you can get a 10-store chain but because of the fragmented nature, there's not many 10 store chains that are out there recently. But it allows us to get a foothold in the market and infrastructure, if you will, a base that we can build around. And then it's really important to note that the infrastructure that we have developed over 25 years to support what we call close coverage is more than -- so there's an operations leadership element to it, but there's a facility maintenance element, there's training, there's HR. And so rather than building up what we call the ivory tower at headquarters, we have these regional support hubs in each one of the MSAs that we're in, so that we can take pressure off of our store managers to allow them to -- rather than being glorified technicians to help maintain when the equipment goes down. We have this unbelievably beautiful 2:1 store to facility maintenance tech ratio that keeps our uptime at 99.8%, but more importantly, allows our leaders, site leaders to focus on people development and customer satisfaction rather than turning the wrench. So we've -- we're proud of them, we'd like to share that with folks because it didn't happen overnight. And it's a meaningful, in our view, competitive advantage. Where other businesses are dependent upon outsourcing or distributors or OEMs, we're not dependent because we've built out that capability.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#32

Just -- I forgot to ask this earlier on development is have you run into any supply chain issues? Some of the -- I've talked to some smaller wash operators who've had some equipment supply chain issues. And are you guys...

John Lai

executive
#33

Yes, we're all in the same boat, right? So there's some, I think, electrical gearbox challenges.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#34

Transformers, yes.

John Lai

executive
#35

Roofing materials and subsequent increase in cost that Jed had referred to in terms of the inflationary impact. In the overall scheme of things are -- not to sound cocky, but our cash-on-cash returns are still reasonably strong, even with some of those. But we're watching very carefully any impact, any disruption that can have on our business. Right now, it hasn't had any disruption. So we're feeling pretty confident about our projections.

Jedidiah Gold

executive
#36

This is where 25-plus years of experience working with some of these established suppliers for a number of years, having good strategic relationships being able to leverage the scale, being able to talk about the future growth and expansion helps pay dividends and -- as we manage these relationships with our suppliers relative to a mom-and-pop that's trying to source for just 1 to 3 locations.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#37

I want to move into comp sales here. I believe the Unlimited Wash Club has over 4,000 members on average per location. And I think last call, it represents around 65% of sales. So how does -- maybe do help us understand, how is increasing the number of Wash Club members benefit comp sales?

Jedidiah Gold

executive
#38

Yes. So this is a key part of the -- I mean look you look at the historic growth and the future growth is -- we want to get these customers into this predictive, this consistent reoccurring revenue stream. So a retail customer comes in on average, 3 to 4x over the course of the year. They pay on average, let's say, $20 per visit. If we can trade them into the Unlimited Wash Club where they're paying, let's say, $30 per month, you're getting roughly a 6x sales lift from that trading into UWC, which drives as a natural tailwind to your comps. So a lot of the training and development and time with the team is how can we become just that much more efficient. So that way, the customer comes through, they don't feel like they're getting a high-pressure sales pitch, and it serves as an impediment for them ever wanting to come and access Mister Car Wash, but at the same time, they feel educated and informed to make a decision and see the value in having -- being part of the subscription club.

John Lai

executive
#39

Yes. If I can add, too, so growing your member base, it actually starts with delivering a really high-quality car. So clean, dry and shiny is one of our mantras. Doing it at speed, at pace is really important. The American consumer is very fickle, very demanding when it comes to -- nobody likes to wait in lines. So one of the strengths of Mister Car Wash is that from a throughput perspective, we're able to process super high-volume cars on a per hour basis at a very high quality. So you can turn up the conveyor, but if you don't have a balanced wash process, if you haven't invested in the mechanization, chemistry, water quality and balance all those factors to deliver a clean car, your customers over time will vote with their feet. And so we have to ensure that we're doing -- and we've done that. So we're very technologically obsessed when it comes to making sure that we're doing that in an automated fashion. The other key thing, so in order to grow membership, making it even more convenient and speedy is a term that we're using internally called process flow optimization where we look at each one of our physical plants, how we can get more cars through in a more seamless, limiting of -- friction, particularly at that point of sale so in on average, all of our stores, we have at least 3 lanes feeding into a single conveyor. And 2 of those 3 lanes are typically dedicated to the Unlimited Wash Club members-only fast pass lane with RFID technology. So the speed card helps drive more membership growth. because what we're finding from a member's perspective is they may come in through the value door saying, hey, I can save money on that third or fourth visit. But over time, they love the fact that, and this might sound a little odd, they don't have to talk to anybody. They can drive through with their windows up and their vernacular can skip the line and the speed card becomes even more paramount, coupled with the fact we're -- and this is kind of the Holy Grail, I think, of all marketing and businesses is where you can change their behavior where car watching back when I first started was a once in a while treat. Now it's part of their weekly routine. When you can change behavior, which sounds very god-like, but that's the goal. It increased the lifetime value 6x. That's why we're so bullish on this program. But it's part and parcel, the chicken and the egg is you've got to deliver quality, you've got to do it quickly, and then you grow your member base and do it without a lot of gimmicks. And our approach to growing our member base is not with incentives or special schemes or discount offers. It's the good old-fashioned educate and inform. We don't even use the word selling inside of our company because nobody wants to be sold to. And we look at it -- as old school as it sounds, in the lense of, would you want your mom to have -- what was her kind of experience. And so our frontline service advisers will explain the benefits. Oftentimes, the retail customer will listen to the message. And on the second visit in, they'll say, you know what, go ahead and sign me up for that program. It's a slower burn what we call, but a slower growth method, but a much stickier method. As a result, 1.8 million members later, we're in -- 65% of our revenues. It's amazing.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#40

What portion of your system right now has that fast pass lane with the RFID technology?

John Lai

executive
#41

100%.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#42

Okay. Are there any other new technologies or equipment that you guys are looking at to try to improve throughput?

John Lai

executive
#43

For sure. No, there's a bunch of folks out there testing license plate recognition software. We also are looking at just mobile payments and how that could use to serve a lot of this hardware stuff that we're investing mightily in. The way we look at IT investments through a CapEx lens is that it's ongoing. It's not a onetime, nonrecurring or once every 10 years, given the advancements of technology and obsolescence. And more importantly, consumers -- and consumers are going to -- their shifts in behavior and how they're transacting. My kids roll their eyes when I say how do I Venmo you because I don't split the bill, I just pick it up, right? But they're splitting bills, and they're having to teach me some of the newer ways that people are transacting. So we want to stay out in front of that curve. And so I predict there's going to be a lot of advancements in just the way Americans transact. And we actually looked at China to see how that consumer base is embracing mobile payments at a much faster clip than the U.S.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#44

No, that's good. The other question I was looking at your payment packages or your -- packages that you have. I have a family with 4 drivers in it. Why not a family pack?

John Lai

executive
#45

We get asked this question all the time. Single most requested item. And listen...

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#46

With all the technology you should make that work, right?

John Lai

executive
#47

Well, we should. And if you're a parent that has multiple vehicles on a house -- on a credit card, you would think that there should be some love/consideration given to a volume incentive. Every time we've tested it, we've tested in 4 different markets. We haven't seen the material lift that we thought we would get in terms of bringing on additional cars in the household on the program. And so our view is that it's already a program that offers tremendous value, and that it's -- the discount is baked into the model. For $19.99, you can come in every day. You can come in twice a day, if you want, and that's a tremendous value.

Jedidiah Gold

executive
#48

Yes. Said another -- you start discounting to customers that would have come in anyways, right?

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#49

Right. How do you increase usage when you start to see a UWC member visit less often? I would think that would be an early indication this might be a candidate for churn. So how do I stop that?

John Lai

executive
#50

Yes, great question. So member engagement is one of our biggest priorities right now behind the scenes. Quite frankly, we have -- we were late to this digital experience dance, if you will. The pandemic -- one of the, I think, silver linings in the cloud was that we quickly realized, first, we didn't have a contactless app. And for a period, a very small period having a way to transact in a contactless way was kind of the rage and everyone felt that they needed to add it. What we quickly -- so we built ours out too, but it wasn't that popular because it wasn't that big of a thing. We have unattended payment terminals in all of our stores, self-service kiosk. And people now are comfortable touching the screen, so that's not an issue. But what that led us down was a path of saying, hey, we need to do a better job of engaging members, to your point, that are in the perhaps high-risk bucket of their usage behavior starting to trail off and how we can get them, which sounds a little counterintuitive, but to use us more often. And we're working on that right now, without tipping my hat too much. We hope to have something in play definitely this time next year.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#51

Okay. I didn't realize we had very little time left. But there's not a lot of cost in this business. Obviously, there are costs with wages. I mean there's not a lot of variable costs, I guess. So I mean, wages is obviously an important part of this business. Are you guys -- maybe talk a little bit about your wage outlook? And I know you're testing tipping in Nashville. I mean, how does that play into making sure your employees are retained and are well compensated?

John Lai

executive
#52

Yes. So let me start by saying we believe in paying people fairly and paying top of the market, and people are our secret sauce, and they're the magic that makes things happen. Our average nonmanagerial hourly wage across the company is $15.50. With tip income we're north of $17. And we have a really good culture at Mister Car Wash, one that we've been working at consciously for over 20 years. But before we talk about culture, we talk about compensation and paying people well, making sure that we have comprehensive benefits that are affordable and eligible for as many people as possible. Then treating them well, creating career path progression. And when you can do all those things well, all of a sudden, you get this environment where people are more engaged, they're happier, they're delivering better service to our customers. And we see it as a beautiful symbiotic relationship. So the short answer to your question is wages are only going to go up. But we offer -- our business model is a low labor model by definition. We can watch 200 cars with 3 people on the clock. It's a very efficient model and one where if we can pay people more, but process more widgets and make more money, it's a win-win.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#53

Yes, that's why most of my question focused on the top line. It seems like that's the name of the game here.

John Lai

executive
#54

Absolutely. It is.

Christopher O'Cull

analyst
#55

Hey, John, Jed, thank you for the time. Very informative. Appreciate the time.

John Lai

executive
#56

Our pleasure.

Jedidiah Gold

executive
#57

Thanks, Chris.

John Lai

executive
#58

All right. Thanks, guys.

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