Nephros, Inc. (NEPH) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 27, 2020

NASDAQ US Industrials Machinery earnings 59 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good day, and welcome to the Nephros Inc. Fourth Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kirin Smith with PCG Advisory. Please go ahead.

Kirin Smith

attendee
#2

Good afternoon, everyone. This is Kirin Smith with PCG Advisory. Thank you all for participating in Nephros' Full Year 2019 Conference Call. Before we begin, I would like to caution that comments made during this conference call by management will contain forward-looking statements regarding the operations and future results of Nephros. I encourage you to review Nephros' filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including, without limitation, the company's Forms 10-K and 10-Q, which identify specific factors that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. Factors that may affect the company's results include, but are not limited to, its ability to successfully timely and cost effectively develop, seek and obtain regulatory clearance for and commercialize its products and service offerings, the rate of adoption of its products services by hospitals and other health care providers, the success of its commercialization efforts, the effect of it -- on its business of existing and new regulatory requirements and other economic and competitive factors. The contents of this conference call contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date of the live call today, February 27, 2020. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update any statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this conference call, except as required by law. I would now like to turn the call over to Daron Evans, Nephros' CEO. Daron, please go ahead.

Daron Evans

executive
#3

Thank you, Kirin, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Nephros' 2019 Full Year Earnings Conference Call. I'll begin the call with a brief overview of our year and have provided a corporate update. Then I'll turn the call over to Andy, our COO and CFO, and he will give a deeper dive into the results. In 2019, the engine that we've built building over the last couple of years has started to run on all cylinders. Total revenues for 2019 were up approximately 82% versus 2018. We saw nice growth in our base business, and we're also fortunate to support a growing number of pathogen outbreaks in the back half of the year. We continue to work tirelessly to support our value-added resellers and end customers in our hospital business segment. We are seeing hospitals make great strides in their development of water management plans, which establishes the routine pathogen testing protocols, their proactive use of chemistry infiltration and their responsive plan in event of a pathogen outbreak. We are in the process of launching our PluraPath pathogen detection system through in-person demonstrations, webinars and with our hospital customers. Our early discussions are very encouraging. We've already received multiple purchase orders for systems that we believe that we will deliver before the end of the first quarter. We have opened a new office to focus on the development and high throughput manufacturing of the PluraPath assays. We currently offer our multipath strip with 15 different paths and test in a single assay delivered on-site in less than an hour. And we also offer monopath strips that enable the user to run 8 different water samples in 1 test, targeting a single pathogen of interest. We envision that users can use the multipass test to provide a broad pathogen screening. And once the pathogen of interest is identified, the monopath test can help to quickly isolate the source of pathogen contamination, which often stems from biofilm buildup in one or more segments of the building's water pipe system. We can support development of pathogen building heat map in real time, saving them valuable time in the process of isolating and treating and operating. We expect the PluraPath system to be used both as a tool for the routine testing prescribed by the water management plant as well as for the realtime support in outbreak situations. Near the end of this year, we expect to launch our SequaPath service, which will have the ability to provide full bacterial biomapping of a building's water system in as few as 4 hours. To provide this data, we will utilize both our portable PCR technology and portable gene sequencing technology to compare amplified bacterial DNA versus a database of over 20,000 different bacterial families and species. To our knowledge, this will be the most extensive, on-site, realtime bacterial testing available anywhere in the world. This will be truly cutting edge. In the dialysis segment, we continue to see our EndoPur footprint growing slowly as the customers realize the performance improvement possible with better filtration. We expect this segment to grow -- this segment continue to see slow but steady growth. In the second quarter this year, we expect to launch our biopath assay, which will focus on gram-negative bacteria and providing 1,000 clinics with a realtime estimation and detection levels. The infection test is a standard assay into the dialysis world to confirm the dialysis water is safe to use for patients. When clinics have tests that show higher-than-acceptable levels of endotoxin, they may need to shut down until they disinfect the water system and prove their levels have returned to those required for patient safety. A realtime antitoxin assay has the potential to save days to weeks depending on the level of contamination. Today, we're in the final stage of the validating the correlation of the DialyPath assay with standard introduction assays performed in centralized laboratories. We are excited about the potential to provide a realtime endotoxin measurement tool. We expect the DialyPath system to be used primarily in support of clinics that need to rapidly solve their contamination events. In our commercial segment, we continue to see steady demand for our products in the quick service restaurant, convenience store and hotel markets. We will soon be launching additional products that can provide replacement filters for more filter manifold types, opening up additional segments of the market for our filters. We continue to see to pursue large chain for long-term supply contracts to grow our base business. In regards to the second-generation hemodiafiltration product being developed in our SRP subsidiary, we have completed formative testing of the system and will hold formal design meeting soon. We then will manufacture our first batch with final 4 units and initiate our verification and validation testing. Currently, we are on path to complete and file our special 510(k) this summer. I'll now turn the call over to Andy for a financial review.

Andrew Astor

executive
#4

Thank you, Daron. I'll now provide a look at our financial results for the fourth quarter and for the full year ended December 31, 2019. First off, as is my habit, I'm very pleased to report our 14th consecutive quarter of year-over-year net revenue growth with an average growth rate during those 14 quarters of 63%. Nephros reported net revenues in the fourth quarter of $3.2 million compared to $1.6 million in the same period last year, an increase of 96%. For the full year, net revenues were $10.3 million compared to $5.7 million in 2018, an 82% increase. All of these results exceeded our revenue guidance for the year. As a reminder, we recognized 2 distinct business segments, Water Filtration and Renal Products. The revenues I just described were all generated by the Water Filtration business segment, which has also hit an important milestone here in the fourth quarter, achieving positive net income for the first time, which was $135,000 compared with a net loss of $147,000 in 2018. For the full year, Water Filtration showed a net loss of $1.6 million, down 32% from $2.4 million in 2018. Adjusted EBITDA for the Water Filtration business segment was $648,000 in the fourth quarter compared with $136,000 in the same quarter 2018. Adjusted EBITDA in the Water Filtration segment for the full year was positive $281,000 compared with negative $861,000 in 2018. Please refer to today's press release for more details about the calculation of adjusted EBITDA and its reconciliation to GAAP net income or loss. On a consolidated basis, net loss for the quarter was negative -- I'm sorry, net loss for the quarter was $144,000 compared with $664,000 in 2018, a 78% improvement. And for the full year, net loss was $3.2 million, a small improvement from the $3.3 million net loss in 2018. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was positive $376,000 compared with negative $256,000 in 2018. For the full year, consolidated adjusted EBITDA was negative $1.2 million, a 30% improvement compared with negative $1.8 million in 2018. Cost of goods sold in the fourth quarter was $1.3 million compared with $0.7 million in 2018, an increase of 92%. Cost of goods sold for the year was $4.3 million compared with $2.5 million in 2018, a 71% increase. Gross margins in the fourth quarter were 60% compared with 59% in 2018. Gross margins for the year were 59% compared with 56% in 2018. And we expect future gross margins to continue in the range of 55% to 60%. Research and development or R&D expenses in the fourth quarter were $0.8 million compared with $0.5 million in 2018, a 40% increase. And R&D expenses for the year were $3.1 million compared with $1.5 million in 2018, an increase of 101%. Depreciation and amortization in the fourth quarter was $44,000 compared with $40,000 in 2018, a 10% increase. And for the year, depreciation and amortization expenses were $186,000 compared with $163,000 in 2018, a 14% increase. Selling, general and administrative, SG&A expenses for the fourth quarter were $1.4 million compared with $1.1 million in 2018, an increase of 30%. SG&A expenses for the year were $6.1 million compared with $4.5 million in 2018, a 35% increase. Our cash balance at the end of 2019 was about $4.2 million. As you may be aware, in late January, we also completed a common stock offering, which generated approximately $6.7 million of net cash proceeds. I'll wrap up my introductory comments today or my comments today with the subject of revenue guidance. We are anticipating revenue growth in the 40% to 50% range in 2020 with additional growth possible depending on the timing and growth slope of our pathogen detection products and on the potential for larger-scale contracts in the commercial sector. For the full year 2020 then, we are setting guidance at $14.5 million to $15.5 million. In closing, we remain excited with the momentum we've been experiencing and with our future growth prospects. We look forward to seeing many of you at financial conferences this spring and at our annual meeting, which is scheduled for May 21. That's May 21 at our offices. More details will be released soon. In the meantime, please feel free to contact Daron or me directly at info@nephros.com. This concludes our formal presentation remarks. I would again like to personally thank all of our stakeholders for your continued support, and I look forward to speaking with you all again soon. We'll take questions now and also answer e-mail questions as appropriate. Operator, please open the call for questions. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Anthony Vendetti from Maxim Group.

Anthony Vendetti

analyst
#6

I just wanted to talk a little bit the guidance. Andy, you said the $14.5 million to $15.5 million doesn't include potential commercial side of the business. So that would encompass QSRs, hotels, stuff of that nature, convenience stores, correct?

Andrew Astor

executive
#7

I'm not sure I'd put it quite that black and white, Anthony. I would just say that we are anticipating total revenue growth of 40% to 50%. And we think that if we get some breaks, we can -- it can be higher, particularly due step by success in the commercial sector and in -- potential growth in pathogen detection.

Anthony Vendetti

analyst
#8

Okay. Maybe Daron, more for you, in terms of the color on the opportunity there. I know you mentioned on the last call, you've had some pretty extensive discussions. Is there -- is that still where it's at? Or any comment that you can make on what that opportunity is or where it's at today versus the last conference call?

Daron Evans

executive
#9

Yes. Sure. We're still in the process of working with these large companies that they're big and they move pretty slowly. The range of opportunities is sort of in the $1 million range per year up to the [indiscernible] it was multi-million, more than $5 million a year. It's just -- the probability of success, we don't have a long history of chasing these big contracts. So we just can't really rightly include them in our risk weighting. But if we get them, it's a step change. They have multi-million dollar step change from the commercial side. And that's just -- if we get them, then it's -- we kind of see is upside bonus. And if we don't, we actually have a relatively nice growth path. They'll be more conservative, but not the step change capability. So we don't know more than the other bidders, the RFPs, but we think we've got a pretty good job to get 1 or 2 of these things.

Anthony Vendetti

analyst
#10

Okay. Great. That's helpful. And then in terms of the dialysis business, the hemodiafiltration. I think you mentioned you're on track with the 510(k) there. Can you just talk about what that opportunity could be assuming clearance there and whether it's this year or next year? What's the opportunity in that space?

Daron Evans

executive
#11

Yes. When we think about it, if you look at Europe as an example being 10, 15 years ahead on HDIA about -- a little more than 15% of the market uses HDIA. And so for the U.S., if you sort of apply our model, which is we're an assist device for a current footprint of HD machines that provide to the dialyzer in a tube set and a machine, if we had 15% of the U.S. dialysis market, that would be sort of the $60 million to $75 million opportunity for us. But I rely -- I would doubt that we're going to get there tomorrow. So our path is to get approved. We'll be back in the market, go back to some of the clinics that we were there before, work on making sure we fit in the procedures that are different between Fresenius and Davita and the rest of the dialysis community. And then create an easy button, which we didn't give last time. It wasn't easy to use our system. So we created an easy bottom that we're going to try to then get back in the market and then have some logical portion of patients who -- of whom this works better than normal dialysis. And so I can't really give any guidance on what we're trying to achieve. Every machine we place, if it's fully utilized, it's $17,000 to $20,000 of revenue. And right now, the HD market, there's over 200,000 machines in place and being utilized. So that's -- I give you a scope of what's possible. And it all depend on where DaVita and Fresenius and others decide to use the system and on which patients.

Operator

operator
#12

The next question comes from Howard Halpern from Taglich Brothers.

Howard Halpern

analyst
#13

Congratulations on the quarter and the year, guys.

Daron Evans

executive
#14

Thanks.

Andrew Astor

executive
#15

Thanks.

Howard Halpern

analyst
#16

Talking about the commercial segment. How large now is your sales team as you head into 2020?

Andrew Astor

executive
#17

On just on the commercial side, it's really just a couple of people. It's a small operation.

Howard Halpern

analyst
#18

Okay. And you talked a little bit about, I guess, the manufacturing of the strips and stuff. Is that in the U.S. or is that local?

Daron Evans

executive
#19

That will be -- Go ahead, Andy.

Andrew Astor

executive
#20

Okay. It is in the U.S. It will be in Nevada, which, for a variety of reasons, makes sense. And so we're building it there. And yes, we'll we doing it ourselves. It will be a local U.S.-based operation.

Howard Halpern

analyst
#21

Okay. And I'm may be jumping ahead, but is there a potential to consistently add to the number? I think now it's like 15, but could you add additional tests for different pathogens?

Daron Evans

executive
#22

Absolutely. So if you think about what I talked about the SequaPath, ultimately, what we envisioned is going into a building and whether it's because of insurance company who's entering the building want to see what's there or if the building engineers want to see the full biome, which often is kind of scary to think about it if you can see what exactly lives in the pipes. But we can go in and do that. And then each system might have its own biome, might have its own problem books. And so if you can envision a few years out, we come in, do SequaPath, give a full heat map, full biome testing of the building, figure out what are the problem of that building and have a custom strip. And these are just DNA assays you could somewhere off the shelf, some or some of subgrade papers, but it wouldn't be hard to make any given assay once you have the bacteria identified because they're just DNA and they've all been sequenced. And so we can have custom strips per site so they can track their own progress on getting rid of their bad boy bugs.

Howard Halpern

analyst
#23

Right. And how important -- I'm pretty sure it's important, but how important is the data once you actually building this out as to, for instance, you do with buildings in certain areas. You go to other buildings in those areas. Does that typically have similar pipes, I guess, or stuff in the pipes?

Daron Evans

executive
#24

Well, you end up with a base water source that might be similar and might have a similar, equal levels of contaminants. But once it gets on the building, whether the backhoe from Fifth Avenue hit the -- hit the hospital in Fourth Avenue would be different dirt than the backhoe from the 27th Avenue. It really has a chance of sort of building its own on a home basis. So it's very likely that a single water supply supplying a bunch of hospitals might have a similar starting point. But once the source of contamination wouldn't just be from the water pipes, it could be from other more localized sources. So each building truly will have its own biome.

Andrew Astor

executive
#25

And we do think, Howard, that there is value to the data. It's early days, and we don't know exactly what that looks like. But if we've got data on 1,000 or 2,000 or whatever number of sites, there's information that should be extracted there.

Howard Halpern

analyst
#26

Okay. In terms of outbreak business, is that -- was that in the fourth quarter? And so far in this year, has that been relatively steady based on the temperatures that we've been seeing?

Andrew Astor

executive
#27

It's an interesting question. We can't really talk about this quarter in terms of results. But last quarter was a strong quarter for outbreaks because it was warmer than usual. Without going into numbers, this quarter has not been as strong as outbreaks, and you wouldn't expect it to be because while the overall temperatures are a little bit warmer, it's still pretty cold outside. So we don't tend to get a lot of outbreaks.

Howard Halpern

analyst
#28

Okay. And one final one. Based on the revenue guidance that you put out there, how you performed in the fourth quarter is getting to or getting to or close to a positive EBITDA probable in 2020?

Andrew Astor

executive
#29

I try really hard not to get ahead of our skis in terms of projections. What I would point you to is this. We have the Water Filtration business is 100% of our revenue. So that's the business that is our growth engine that exists today. That is not only EBITDA positive, not only adjusted EBITDA positive, but it is actually net income positive. So that business is on a solid footing to be profitable and to continue to increase its profitability. The other business is the PluraPath Pathogen Detection business. And the SRP HDS business are development space businesses, and they're going to take investments. And depending on how those investments go, the overall consolidated report is going to have to be -- is a little unpredictable. But we're only investing because we believe that those business was -- will be profitable in the future. So with all of that, I'm not going to answer your question.

Howard Halpern

analyst
#30

Okay. And I'll say one final question, too. With the PluraPath and the other one that you're developing too, are we going to see a series of papers or consulting reports come out based on immediate results with some of the early customers that you engage with?

Daron Evans

executive
#31

We would very likely not be producing any papers based on a specific customer site in regards to the PluraPath. You noticed that we don't publish who our customers are for the water filters because if we're there in emergency reasons and there's other stuff going on, they don't really want to call attention to that. There's a couple of press releases where we've been mentioned as the filter that came in and made it all work. But what we will be doing is publishing our comparisons of our own test internally to centralized labs to other sort of standards so that we can sort of show and prove to our customers that it works. So we've already got one white paper out there for Legionella. We'll be adding more to that over time. So for each different pathogen that we have on the strip, you'll see a validation test. And then for things like the introduction levels, that's one that's very easy to do where we just test water in the lab and then also send it off to a centralized lab and not call into question any particular clinic. So we will be publishing papers and things that customers could see the assays and how they work, probably not calling any particular customer out.

Operator

operator
#32

The next question comes from Michael Brcic from National Securities.

Michael Brcic

analyst
#33

Congratulations. Actually, most of my questions were answered. But I just wanted to go a little bit deeper on a couple of things. On the commercial side, you said you had a couple of salespeople. Is that the type of business that you're going to have to grow by growing salespeople? Or are they more leveraged in the sense that they're signing up distributors and then they end up distributing and increasing your client base?

Andrew Astor

executive
#34

It's a combination, Michael. It's good to hear you voice. And it's a combination. The core strategy that we have is to go after large national contracts as Daron referred to earlier. And that is a very -- that's a very senior, low number of persons like 1, to focus on the industry and get the big accounts. We also are more than dipping our toes in going after local operations and then sort of working up from there. And that's the second one of those, which is less developed than the first would over time be one that you'd show people at. That would be more regional. But I don't think that the investment mix -- I don't want to overinvest too quickly there because we don't have the reputation yet. We're starting to bring in regional people on the hospital side because we're #2 in the industry, and we're pretty well-known at this point. I don't want to spend -- I don't want to throw good money after bad. It's not really the right point. But I don't want to spend too heavily in a market where we're not that well-known yet.

Michael Brcic

analyst
#35

Right. Right. Just as a side, if we talk about manufacturing, my understanding was stuff was manufactured in Italy. Is that going to be moving to the states? Are we talking about 2 different things?

Andrew Astor

executive
#36

Two different things. The medical filters that we sell are manufactured in Italy. The commercial filters that we sell, we actually manufacture here in Nevada, in Las Vegas. And the PluraPath, the pathogen detection materials that we were talking about, the assays themselves will be manufactured in Reno.

Michael Brcic

analyst
#37

Got it. And I assume the guidance for the year is all filtration, right? You're not counting anything else in the guidance?

Andrew Astor

executive
#38

Well, we're hoping to have some positive numbers from pathogen detection, not counting on anything significant from -- we're not really counting on a great deal of revenue from either one, but we'd like both of those numbers to be somewhat positive.

Michael Brcic

analyst
#39

Right. The -- you were talking about the tests and the outbreaks, and it was warmer in the quarter before and now, is there any, I don't know if seasonality is the right word. But obviously, does the change in weather, where it's going from warner to cold or cold to warm, does that have any sort of effect on those?

Andrew Astor

executive
#40

Well, we don't have scientific answers to that. But I can tell you that looking at the data for the last 3 years, Q1 is always a slower rise or, even in some cases, a slight fall from the previous quarter even though it's a great deal higher than the Q1 before that. Q1 is just -- and so it does appear that there's some seasonality to the cold winter months. It's not a great deal of seasonality like Christmas for retail. But it's -- there does appear to be some, well, some...

Michael Brcic

analyst
#41

Lull.

Andrew Astor

executive
#42

Some lull. Exactly.

Michael Brcic

analyst
#43

Congratulations again.

Andrew Astor

executive
#44

Thanks, Michael.

Operator

operator
#45

The next question comes from Bob Wasserman from Benchmark Company.

Robert Wasserman

analyst
#46

Congratulations on a big year. Just real briefly, I know that you've guided revenue growth guidance in 2020. Can you give us a little color on the core business, the filter business? Are you looking for new sites, new facilities? Are you looking to sell more filters for each facility? Maybe a little bit more color on how that breaks down.

Andrew Astor

executive
#47

Yes. The short answer is yes and yes. We monitor closely, although we don't publish, but we monitor closely our sales from existing customers or increases to our existing customers and also the addition of new customer sites. We're adding new customer sites at more than 1 -- throughout 2019, we added more than 1 per day on average, 1 per business day, which is pretty great. And at the same time, our customer retention rate was 94% measured quarterly, which tells you that we're keeping our customers. And indeed, over the course of the year, they accounted -- our existing customers accounted for 62% of our revenues, which I think is a really healthy number. It's not 98%, which would tell you that we're not getting enough new customers, nor is it 10%, which means that we're losing customers. It's a good, healthy sort of 2/3 of our revenue is coming from existing customers. The other color I would give you, which isn't -- is a little bit different than what you asked about is that we postulate that the reason is that we're becoming more known in the industry. But our response to outbreak business increased 142% over 2018. So that's another area. And by the way, some of those are existing customers, but more of them are new ones. So that tells you that the reputation is out there and bringing new customers into the fore as well through the outbreak response. Is that helpful?

Robert Wasserman

analyst
#48

Yes. That's great. And maybe just a little bit on the trend. Are you seeing, in terms of new customers, are you seeing kind of growth in certain geographical areas? Are you seeing growth in the sort of types of facilities? Or is it all across the board?

Andrew Astor

executive
#49

Well, it's all across the board. I would tell you that we're strong in the New York metropolitan area. We're strong in California. We're strong in the Midwest. I think we could -- and when I say strong, there's plenty of room for growth. But I think we've got a pretty good base in those 3 areas. I think the Southeast and the Deep and the South like Texas area, frankly, the whole Southern Belt could be stronger. And we're going to work on that this year. But we have sold product over the last 3 years to all 50 states plus Puerto Rico. So we're everywhere, at least to some degree.

Robert Wasserman

analyst
#50

Okay. Great. Congrats on a good quarter.

Andrew Astor

executive
#51

Thanks, Bob.

Operator

operator
#52

The next question comes from Ralph Weil from R Weil Investment Management.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#53

Could you elaborate a little if possible on the competition, floor pad, how it's been done in the past in the pathogen detection? And what -- a little more on what your advantages are in your mind in terms of your price and the time it takes presently. That's basically the question.

Daron Evans

executive
#54

Okay. Thanks, Ralph. Sure. So 5 years ago, most testing for hospital water was Legionella focused primarily and done in the lab. There was some PCR done, but mostly it was culture plate. Over the last couple of years, PCR has been starting to be used more as a quick screen, so you can get data in 24 hours. And what we're trying to do is give you that data plus a bunch of other bugs in our on site. There are other machines out there that are trying to sell a similar concept. So there's [indiscernible], there's a couple of others that have the same realtime capabilities. What differentiates our system is that we're able to take the sample in a way that makes the assay more effective. So by using our filter, which is somewhat focused to our HDF filter, we can take a liter, which is a standard sample size. And we can concentrate that into sort of 10 to 15 mils of water, so you get a log to step-up in concentration. And then you take that sample, after you [indiscernible] it and put in a machine and PCR, it generally gives you about a log 10 sensitivity on the amplification of the DNA. So we really have kind of a log 12 our goal, which gets down to as low as 2 base pairs that will be in the liter of water. So PCR itself is very sensitive, but we're able to realtime on site. And it's that concentration step that I think a lot of other folks won't have in their systems. So that would be our advantage. We also have just a head start. We saw many years ago that we needed to have a lot of other bugs besides Legionella. We've made the assays and made the strips focused on trying to make it very usable system. So you don't need a biology degree and make it pretty easy. The -- from a price point of view, if you look at the central labs and you look at the other realtime test, we're right there. We've done a lot of research on seeing what simple labs cost. If you buy 100 tests a week in your lab, your costs are pretty low. If you buy 1, then they're pretty high. And we're kind of in the middle. And the pricing hasn't been something that we've been pushed back on yet. But we'll always keep a look at that. Once we get to the high throughput manufacturing, then we will have some more flexibility if that's where the market goes. But right now, we think we're providing a -- if you were to do the same test, even through a simple lab for all 15, your price point will be close to $1,000, and we're well below that. So I think price-wise, where we'd be advantage-wise. We have the filter stuff that gives us better sample product. And then we have a system that we think is pretty user-friendly. And our cost of goods will be lower than most it's because of the way we've chosen to use open source platform for the machine.

Operator

operator
#55

The next question comes from Todd Eyler, private investor.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#56

Andy, Daron, congratulations on 2019. Well done.

Daron Evans

executive
#57

Thank you.

Andrew Astor

executive
#58

Thanks, Todd.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#59

I have 2 quick questions. The first one is in the new Army budget that came out for request about a few weeks ago there. There's a line item for roughly a couple of million dollars for the Nephros water filtration device for the soldiers. And I was curious if you're ready to respond to that and ramp up that filtration product as well as the cartridge fab if that's approved by Congress. And secondly, has the FDA agreed that the 510(k) is indeed the correct submittal for the HDF 2.0? Or is that still up in the air, whether it's a special 510(k) or a regular?

Daron Evans

executive
#60

Yes. So we've out-licensed that military product to Camelback. So while we see -- we sometimes see some of those government publications, Camelback handles that. And they work directly with our manufacturer to ramp up. And they've got plenty of capabilities to do that. So if that contract comes to fruition and Camelback sells a few million dollars' worth of filters, we'll get a role to check a few quarters later. So we're -- and we're there to help wherever we can if they have any support needed for that procurement process. From the special 510(k) path, we're really basing our opinion on the guidance that the FDA provided a couple of years ago on what to do with your -- whether you file special, whether you file a regular or whether you don't file at all. And the way -- our assessment is that every change we've made doesn't actually trigger a filing at all. So they're all notified changes. But we sort of deem that a conservative path would be to roll them together and put it in the special and submit it. And obviously, as we get closer to that time, we'll give them a call, and we'll talk about it. But right now, the changes we make don't -- if you follow the file 510(k) guidance that the FDA put out in 2017. It doesn't - nothing triggers a filing. And we've seen lots of companies put forth no 510(k) filing for as many as 3,000 little changes in the machine. None of the individual changes made a trigger to the FDA filing. So it's really a -- it is a bit of an assumption. But we're going to valid the assumption with the FDA conversations and get submitted as we plan.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#61

Excellent. And are you still shooting for submitting by summer of this year?

Daron Evans

executive
#62

Yes. Yes, that's the plan. The [indiscernible] shortly, and then it's just plug it up to the B&B process.

Operator

operator
#63

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Carl Weilville, private investor.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#64

I was going to ask about, first of all, the HDF and the time line, but that was largely just answered. And then my other question was about the -- where the revenue for the water is coming from, where the growth is and what our footprint is across the country. And I think that was pretty much largely answered, too. But if there's anything you'd like to -- if there's anything you'd like to add, obviously, it would be nice when we say summer for the HDF. I mean that's a 3, 4-month window. It would be nice to have -- I know you guys want to get this done and get it out and get that ball rolling. But obviously, it would be nice to have a firmer date. But do you anticipate between now and the submission any hurdles that could put you back further? Or do we have a set time line at this point? Were you pretty confident you'd be ready to get this thing in June, July time?

Daron Evans

executive
#65

It once you have a design freeze, then it really is kind of a plug-and-play process. There's a certain number of steps and a set of pattern you have to complete, and it's just a matter of execution. We recently bought another individual onboard whose past life was execution. So hopefully, in between the 3 units that are working on that project that -- and the design farm that's working on as well that we can get through the process on time. But who knows? So far, we do have a -- one of the molds we made in China. Will that be a problem? So far, they're working. They're in there, and they're working right now. So I don't think so. But it would be nice to say that July -- June 30, we're done. And that's our time line. We're all being focused on incentivized to get it done before the end of the second quarter. If we slip by a few weeks, then that's the way advance works. But we're -- we don't see any big surprises from between now and the filing.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#66

Going back before you guys tenured, there was the Chem-Aqua were saying and I think we've talked about that over the years. But obviously, a partnership there that doesn't seem like it came too much. I'm not sure what the current status of that one is, but the potential with the company was pretty huge with the previous management before you guys this time. Reading about companies that are in the commercial space, I think we mentioned like 3M companies, like that, do you envision any kind of partnerships with companies like that going forward?

Daron Evans

executive
#67

So Chem-Aqua actually is one of our bigger distributors right now. Like many others, it just took a while for the hospitals to catch up on doing the water management plans the right way, which means they made a plan in general and then have testing and then have proactive filtration and proactive chemistry. So we work with Chem-Aqua They're great, great partners. We're there to help them many times we can. The 3M folks, we're going to go head to head with those guys pretty soon. They've got Cuno filter. And Cuno is, I don't know if it's 40% of the market in the U.S. or some large number. Between Pentair and 3M, they kind of own the commercial take order scale space, and that's our competitor in the commercial space. So much like 5 years ago when we were looking out the pause as the Goliath, 3M and Pentair, they're much bigger Goliath to [indiscernible]. And as far as the space goes, but it's also a much more fragmented customer set. And we're going to get our wins. So I think the U.S. filtration market is $500 million plus. And there's also the world market, and we're selling some stuff overseas now too commercially. So I think that's just one where it just has so -- it's just been a big market. And our product works pretty well. And our pricing is pretty good. And we're small. But as soon as we get some traction, you can see that [indiscernible] and that becomes a pretty big business pretty quick.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#68

Well, I just want to say, I know I said it before, but coming from where we've come from like 3 or 4 years ago, I think you guys have done a phenomenal job and looking forward to seeing what work can happen in the next couple of years.

Daron Evans

executive
#69

Thanks, Carl. Great.

Andrew Astor

executive
#70

Thank you, Carl. Thanks for all the support over the years.

Operator

operator
#71

The next question comes from Andy Kruter from Bagley Securities.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#72

Very good results. I wonder if -- since R&D is going up faster than your revenues, is that something you anticipate going forward to increase even faster than revenues?

Daron Evans

executive
#73

No, that really was -- that really was a bolus that we did last year because we went from finishing all of our filtration development and just launching products to -- in 2019, we relaunched the HDI program. We launched them. We did a bunch of work on the PluraPath system. So much of that was externally expense. So it's not going to be continuous. The HDF expenses for the development side, at least, will be kind of curtailing, once we file a special, there'll be some expenses, but not the same levels. We've been doing active development and saying that with PluraPath is -- once you sort of build and develop, build and develop, then most of those expenses might actually sort of shift in the COGS because the robot that we're going to get to make this high throughput manufacturing is going to be part of the cost of goods, so it's going be amortized. So I don't see the R&D, it may even come down as we shift out of these projects into commercial stage.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#74

Okay. So most of it will occur in the first half.

Daron Evans

executive
#75

Yes. And we have grown our R&D staff a little bit, but not as much revenue. So as the cheques we're writing to other firms for these onetime events slow down, then you should see that definitely not exceeding growth rate of revenue.

Operator

operator
#76

The next question is from Art Winston from Pilot Advisors.

Arthur Winston

analyst
#77

Great quarter, guys. In terms of the commercial opportunity, could you describe the characteristics of what the sale would be? Do we have to replace somebody? Is the contract written the same way as it would be written with the hospital? Would the margins be higher or lower than on the hospital business? And is it the same? Do we need outbreaks to make the business grow faster. So could you just give a little meat on the bone as far as the commercial opportunity is?

Daron Evans

executive
#78

Sure. So in the hospital space, there's a lot of white space. And by white, we mean the hospital isn't using microbiological filtration at all. So we have to both convince the customer that it's useful to use microbiome filtration and convince the customer that they should buy us. In the commercial space, we're -- it's all replaced. Every ice machine out there in the world has a recommended manufacturer filter. Every coke machine has [indiscernible] scale. Coffee, tea machines, so these are all replacements. And so we're just going to -- it's important to be able to plug-and-play in the existing manifold that's there so you don't have to -- have that extra transaction cost. But that's -- it's just a convention that your filter is good enough to meet their needs and make the sale. So this isn't trying to convince that a new technology is useful or that this is any different. It's just -- it's more procurement than less sell.

Arthur Winston

analyst
#79

So we would sacrifice a little bit of profit margin to get into the first couple of places, I assume, to replace...

Daron Evans

executive
#80

Surprisingly, the big guys, I think, have really large profit margins because we don't see it being that different than the hospital space once you've made the sale. So I don't think we'll have to dip that far into the gross margin to be able to get our feet wet into a big sale. It's really just convention that a small company can do it. And we're now just not -- before we purchased Aether Group, they were a very, very, very small company. And now as part of Nephros, we look at much bigger and are able to talk to your companies and say bigger things. So we don't think it's an effect of gross margin. We think our pricing is good and comparable and usually a bit lower because we have less infrastructure. And it is just a matter of proving them that we can provide them for 1,000 units or 2,000 stores or what have you.

Arthur Winston

analyst
#81

Are we close to where first sale yet?

Daron Evans

executive
#82

We've had a bunch of little sales. So we've gotten a couple of hotel chains. We've gotten a little bit of pieces here and there. We haven't yet gotten that extra $1 million contract or extra $4 million contract. But I think we're -- we never know till you got it. But we think we're inching our way there, and we expect to close 1 or 2 this year.

Arthur Winston

analyst
#83

Just very quickly, do you consider this really a major league opportunity? This could be a big deal to the company?

Daron Evans

executive
#84

Yes. When we purchased Aether, the whole intent was to increase our pace of revenue growth of the overall. And right now, if you look out 2 or 3 years, I don't know which one will have the most revenue, the hospital, the PluraPath detection system or commercial. I think commercial and PluraPath will catch the hospital business very quickly.

Arthur Winston

analyst
#85

Is the technology of our filter any different from 3M or the other competitors?

Daron Evans

executive
#86

Not at its core. The scale is slightly different, but the core of this space is carbon. Whether you use granulated carbon or if you use carbon blocks, which we use carbon blocks because it's a bit more efficient, easier to be to your advantage. But it's all as carbon. Carbon absorbs the things and make patients [indiscernible] that.

Operator

operator
#87

The next question is from Jamie de Young from Goudy Capital.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#88

Congratulations on a continued strong growth for the company. Just make it quick here. Is there -- do you have any exposure at all to parts being made in Italy for your products?

Andrew Astor

executive
#89

We do. We are -- the vast majority of our medical products are made in Sardinia, which is, of course, an island off the West Coast of Italy. And there has not been any outbreak of the coronavirus there at this time. But if the coronavirus goes there, and if it impacts the business' ability to stay open, then it could influence our supply chain significantly since they are our primary supplier and we don't really have a significant backup. Having said that, we have, over the last several months, well before there was a coronavirus, we have been increasing our stock above normal levels in anticipation of the spring outbreak business and increased business. And in the last week or 2, we have made clear that we want to continue to get as much inventory as we can as a backstop against that. The truth is, Jamie, and by the way, nice to hear your voice on the call, the truth is if industry gets shut down, we'll get shut down along with the rest of the industry. We're not exposed differently than anybody else who's getting product from overseas or, frankly, who knows where perhaps even here.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#90

That's helpful. But the specific parts that you're referring to that are sourced from Italy, that's a key primary component of what you're selling?

Andrew Astor

executive
#91

Oh, yes, it is the primary component of our hospital business. No question. We actually put that -- we actually added that risk to the 10-K just last week.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#92

Okay. Great. That's helpful. I appreciate the transparency. Let's hope we don't have that situation upon us. My second question is, could you just update us for the deal, what is now the fully diluted share count?

Daron Evans

executive
#93

It's just over $10 million. And if you give me a minute, maybe ask -- if you have another question, I'll pull up that number. But it's $10.2 million or $10.3 million, something like that.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#94

Okay. That's really helpful. And then with respect to options, are there options that would -- what would be the next amount of options that would come into the money that would increase that share count and at what price?

Andrew Astor

executive
#95

No. The options -- well, the share count that I just gave you was fully diluted, which includes -- which means that all the options that are currently on the books are exercised.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#96

Right. I understand that. I didn't know if there was another tranche that would then be exercised here in short order at a slightly higher price.

Andrew Astor

executive
#97

Yes. I'm not following. You mean as the price goes up?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#98

Correct.

Andrew Astor

executive
#99

People would exercise options, which would bring the share count up and not the fully diluted share count up, right?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#100

Yes. I was just looking to see if there was more shares that would come into the option.

Andrew Astor

executive
#101

The option pool actually, Jamie, I answered you quickly. Just give me 1 second. I want to check one number for you to make sure that I'm telling you -- give you the full story here. Yes. The number that I gave, the $10.3 million is going to be inclusive of -- the number is going to be inclusive of all options that, i.e., that are in our sights right now. So that's a good number. It's not higher than that.

Operator

operator
#102

There are no more questions in the queue. This concludes our question-and-answer session as well as the conference. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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