Outset Medical, Inc. (OM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 9, 2023

NASDAQ US Health Care Health Care Equipment and Supplies conference_presentation 27 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Travis Steed

analyst
#1

Great. I think we're live now. So good afternoon, everybody. Outset Medical is up next. I'm Travis Steed, the Bank of America medical device analyst, and we have Leslie Trigg, Chairman and CEO; and Nabeel Ahmed, Chief Financial Officer. So thanks for coming.

Travis Steed

analyst
#2

So maybe just to start out, you just reported Q1 last week, maybe high level kind of talk about the quarter kind of what you saw in -- as the quarter progressed in January, kind of versus March, April trends, things kind of improved over the course of the quarter. Just maybe level set the conversation there.

Leslie Trigg

executive
#3

Sure. Well, I'll give some broad remarks. I think, first and foremost, we feel great about the quarter. It was a really strong start to the year. We always look for kind of 3 levers in the business every quarter, which is how did consults perform, how did treatments perform, how did ASP perform. And across all 3 of those dimensions, it was a really strong performance with some actually overperformance on the ASP side, which is great. I always look at ASP as kind of the leading indicator of demand and is the value proposition resonating. And in this case, it continues to. I really like the performance in acute. Strong performance in home. I think it was a really well-balanced quarter on both sides. And that overperformance allowed us to lift the midpoint of the guidance range, such that we're now projecting 25% to 30% growth year-over-year. I think last highlight from the quarter is gross margin performance. This is our eighth quarter now of consecutive gross margin improvement. We've just been putting kind of one foot in front of another, I think, in a very consistent predictable way. And we were able to deliver a gross margin that significantly beat even our own expectations, coming in at 20.3% for the quarter.

Travis Steed

analyst
#4

And how much of the price uplift was from the TabloCart?

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#5

Yes. So we saw ASP strength from 3 areas really. So first of all, just we have always maintained disciplined pricing, meaning not doing large discounts, not sort of being held hostage to end-of-quarter deals. We saw that continue, and we saw our pricing discipline continue to hold. Number two, we saw continued strong attach of our 24-hour software feature, which is an upgrade for Tablo that we launched in Q4 of 2020. And then we saw really strong uptake, Travis, of our carts, which is the new accessory -- hardware accessory that we launched the late last year. And so the 3 kind of factors combined to lift ASP. We're really pleased with sort of the performance on carts. It is early innings, that is a new product, but sort of really nice reception out of the gate.

Travis Steed

analyst
#6

I think acute and home utilization treatments per week were pretty stable over the course of the quarter. When you think about where they were in the quarter versus what you're guiding to for the year, are you assuming stability utilization over the course of the year?

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#7

Yes. So just to unpack that a little bit. We think of utilization 2 ways. One is we have most of our consoles are connected to the cloud. We know how they're behaving. And sort of the mature installed consoles are treating in the acute right around 5x a week and right around 3.5x a week in home. In terms of build utilization, we have the effects of new consoles that we've sold. And for those of you who follow the story, we saw a large acceleration in our installed base back half of last year. And then in Q1, again, the impact of those consoles has sort of suggests that acute is between 4 and 5, and home is right around 3 treatments per week. In terms of our guidance range, Travis, guidance for us really is about console placement. And so utilization, yes, it's factored in, as we've described. But guidance for us really is about console placement as we move through the year.

Travis Steed

analyst
#8

And on console placements, I guess if pricing was up a little bit, units were down sequentially versus Q4. Is that right with the seasonality aspect?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#9

I'll comment a little bit about the seasonality. So short answer, no. They were down. I think consoles came in just almost right on the postage stamp of where we thought they were going to come in for the quarter. Going way, way, way back in time to February, I think on our Q4 call, for those of us that have a background in capital equipment, we anticipated maybe some kind of calendar-driven cyclicality. Most hospitals tend to kind of spend through the capital budget in Q4 and then take some time in Q1 to kind of reset, reload and finalize their operating budgets. And we did actually see a little bit of that around the edges. But given that and given that we're in sort of this Q1 cycle, the consoles came in right as we had hoped that they would. So I feel great about the console placements.

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#10

The only thing I'd add is console revenue has now grown for 3 quarters sequentially, right? So we're really pleased with how console revenue has behaved, if you will, over the last.

Travis Steed

analyst
#11

Is the seasonality comments more acute, not home? Is that correct?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#12

Yes, yes. And again, not related to Tablo, but just kind of having been a part of the medical device ecosystem now for more years, and I'll just that, I will not disclose, how many years I've been part of the industry. But this is pretty typical purchase behavior for anybody who's been around capital equipment.

Travis Steed

analyst
#13

And expectation's step up sequentially over the course of the year in placements in acute?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#14

Yes. Yes. I think we said and we'll reiterate, we anticipate kind of very nice sequential growth rates quarter-over-quarter for the remainder of the year.

Travis Steed

analyst
#15

Okay. Maybe I know home's usually more top , I'm just going to jump to acute. I guess there's a couple of comments that you made on the call that kind of stood out. So maybe we could start with thinking through like the new customers kind of versus some of the expand within the existing accounts. And where are you seeing more opportunity, more growth between kind of those expanding current customers versus opening new accounts?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#16

Well, I would pick C, all of the above, versus more or less of. When you look at, we had given this example -- well, I'll give you the 2 examples we gave of just about the health of the acute business. One, we had talked about 30 new hospital locations that are now using Tablo. That was a mix actually of new customers and existing customers that were just proliferating their use of Tablo in sourcing and more hospitals through their network. The second example we gave was of a 50-unit order that was sold to a single customer which was a health system, that actually was an expansion order. So that was a health system that had already been using Tablo in a couple of their hospitals. Obviously, we're pleased with their outcomes on cost and operational efficiencies and then decided to, again, expand that through their network. So I think we continue to see through this year so far really good expansion in the new names and then also the new sites and existing names. So all of the above.

Travis Steed

analyst
#17

And the large IDNs, how much more opportunity is left like in the near term on that? Like you see a lot of things coming your way in terms of IDNs potentially signing up on this. And then the second part of that question would be utilization or in terms of the ramp for the large IDNs, how quickly do they typically uptake Tablo? Do they do like 1 center at a time or kind of go broad brushes?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#18

Well, I'd say the short answer on how much more opportunity in the large IDNs, a lot. I mean we've talked about our generalized penetration across all acutes being in the very low double digits, maybe high, low double digits. And that would apply also to the large IDNs. Some of them we got in several years ago, some of them we've just started to penetrate. So factored all in, I think that low double-digit penetration is probably a pretty good estimation for large and then the regional. So I think we have plenty of runway. Utilization and the ramp, and I'll maybe give you kind of the end of the story before we go back to the beginning. If you're looking at a hospital that's using Tablo predominantly on the floor for sort of average regular 3- to 4-hour treatments, you might see them using it a couple of times a day, maybe 6 out of every 7 days. So that could be, and often is, double-digit treatment utilization per week. But if they're using it principally in the ICU, those are often 24-hour treatments. And so you're theoretically limited by the number of hours in a week. So you might see a hospital in the ICU using it more like 4 or 5 times a week. So take it together, it does depend on a few different variables, the location of the hospital, and then, of course, the hospital's own volume in their census. But by and large, we are seeing many hospitals in our universe using it low double digits treatments per week. But then again, we also have to factor in, as Nabeel said, Tablo that have just been shipped or just ramping up. And so overall, over the last 12 months, it stayed pretty consistent, all factors being considered around 5x per week.

Travis Steed

analyst
#19

Got it. And in terms of the large centers that are coming, do you see some like your conversations with a lot of large centers so that there's probably some more near-term wins coming in the large IDNs?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#20

Well, I think we're always having a lot of conversations with IDN. So I don't know that I would want to predict some big win. What I will tell you is, as we think about our pipeline, our pipeline is bigger today than it was a year ago and it was bigger a year ago than it was 2 years ago. So the pipeline continues to get bigger, I think because the technology has proven itself, our team has proven itself. We now have many, many more customers that can serve as reference sites for others and also we publish on their results. So I am liking what I'm seeing on the pipeline. And I think the macro environment has stabilized, which helps a lot with regard to staffing in particular.

Travis Steed

analyst
#21

And then when you think about the awareness of the economics, it seems like a no-brainer for a hospital CFO. Just kind of curious like where do you think awareness is for the economics of Tablo, what you can do to kind of accelerate some of that awareness?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#22

I think awareness certainly is growing. I'll use sort of the same pattern. I mean more people know about Tablo this year than they did last year, that's for sure. And we really, to be honest, I mean, we have not put tremendous amounts of money or resources actually into marketing. And so we got to kind of $100 million in sales primarily on sales. We did not really have a very robust marketing team or medical affairs. Those are actually investments that we started to make in 2022 that I do think are starting to pay off on the awareness front, both in terms of peer-to-peer education, physician-to-physician, webinars, case studies, medical meetings and the like. So I think that as the data points are being shared more broadly, the awareness is certainly growing at the hospital level.

Travis Steed

analyst
#23

And when you think through, I guess, the Bridge program, sounds like not a lot of hospitals are actually using the Bridge program, but is this more like a more of an insurance policy, if you will.

Leslie Trigg

executive
#24

I think that's right. And it couldn't have worked out better if we had tried. I did not predict this, by the way. So this is kind of like better to be lucky than smart. At the beginning, we -- I really thought this was going to be an implementation answer for hospitals that are really, really struggling with staffing. And the implementations that we have done have gone really, really well. There was actually a customer we talked about Deaconess in our scripted remarks that used Bridge and ended up standing up their own program in 30 days. The majority though really have found that they have been able to hire much more quickly than they thought they were going to be able to and at affordable wage rates. And so the benefit that we've gotten from Bridge, which kind of is free, is our ability -- the salesperson's ability to talk about Bridge as an insurance policy and sort of a backstop, which has given the health system's confidence to move forward even though there are some unknowns. Most hospitals have not hired a team of dialysis nurses before. So it's kind of a fear of the unknown. And I get it. I would be apprehensive about something I had never done before either and they are standing up a new service line. And so I think that the power of Bridge was simply in giving them the confidence to move forward with uncertainty and knowing that, hey, if you don't hire as quickly as you hope to, we got you and we can install a team of people ready to go very, very quickly.

Travis Steed

analyst
#25

And some of the outperformance in Q1, obviously, we talked about came from TabloCart, and that's in the acute setting. Is that something that's picking up in terms of where like the attach rates for that? I'm just kind of curious like 100%, 50% and where -- what the opportunity is there. I don't know if you disclose the ASP uplift on that as well.

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#26

Yes, the ASP, it's about $10,000 for the cart itself. It's still in early innings with the cart. We just launched that product in Q4. We are very happy with the performance we had in Q4 and in Q1 with that cart. And I'll go back to our first sort of accessory launch. We launched our 24-hour feature, Travis, back in Q4 of 2020 initially thinking we would see it in 1 in 4 consoles. And now we're seeing it in the majority of our consoles. So we've had a good track record with 1 software accessory, happy with cart's early rollout, but still early to sort of say where we think it will end up.

Travis Steed

analyst
#27

Are there other things you could initially put through the channel rather than have call it, ASP, but more of like a mix in terms of sales, like add-on, additional value, kind of curious. And maybe it's in the data side of things [indiscernible] side of things, may be expand upon like your vision here.

Leslie Trigg

executive
#28

Yes. Look, I've always thought about Outset or increasingly thought about Outset as a software company that happens to have hardware. And so I think that we have been a real leader in this space, and we intend to retain that leadership position. I think there are opportunities -- well, sorry, let me back up and say one more thing. I think question mark, where are we going to be successful in using our capital sales team to sell software, to sell accessories? I think we answered that question through 2022. I think that they've proven themselves very, very effective at selling kind of core Tablo and then the optional add-ons. And so that's probably emboldened us in thinking more expansively on the software data products that might be advanced analytics, advanced dashboards. There might be a basic and a premium EMR offering, things that are delivering real value, obviously, to the customer. And also we think about competitively, things that will continue to differentiate Tablo and keep it sort of unique among its peer group.

Travis Steed

analyst
#29

Potentially moving to more like a SaaS model in terms of the stuff-- in terms of software [indiscernible] software.

Leslie Trigg

executive
#30

Potentially, that's a possibility, yes.

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#31

Well, we already have a chunk of our revenues that are recurring revenue for the service and then our consumables. So we -- the business is sort of architected, Travis, already in a way where a little bit under half of it is recurring. We think as the installed base grows, that grows as well.

Travis Steed

analyst
#32

Yes, I think that's something unappreciated by a lot. Switching to home, I think one of the things that got a little kind of perked my ear on the earnings call when you were talking about some of these centers and getting to a number of centers of 10 home patients per center. Just maybe start with what you're seeing on the ground here and talking to these centers. Like what's driving them to put more people on? How much momentum you can get to? I don't know where this actually peaks, like what's the opportunity a center can actually even manage potentially in the home?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#33

Yes, thousands. No, I'm kidding. It's not [ billions ]. Yes, so I think there's [indiscernible] going to the first part of your question. I think there's really 2 moments that start to give a location, a clinic location, a lot of confidence and enthusiasm about Tablo. The first -- well, 3 moments. The first moment is most of these locations will offer Tablo in the incumbent home hemo system because they're already using the incumbent. And so we've just found that they've gravitated to sort of the Coke and Pepsi taste test at least in the early part of this because they're curious. Like how many -- if you offer 10 people a choice, how many will choose A versus B.? And so that's the first moment when they see the vast, vast, vast majority choosing, I prefer Coke, so I'm going to align Tablo with Coke. But when they see the vast majority preferring Coke, that's the first aha like, okay, this really could help us expand home adoption because they will often offer to people who have not chosen home in the past. So that's aha #1 is like, okay, Tablo really can expand the envelope here, the universe of people who want to go home, great. I think the second moment is when they put their first few patients through training, and they -- kind of seeing is believing, and they really do see patients of many different types getting through training in about 10 business days, if you will, very, very consistently. That tends to be an aha because the nurse now is going into, oh, I don't have to spend nearly as much time. I can increase my throughput. People are getting this. I don't have to keep doubling and tripling back on the same material over and over again. This is easy. It's easier for me as a training nurse. And then I think the third aha moment, which is probably the most powerful and happens a little bit longer over time is the retention, when they don't see people wanting to come back in center, when they do see patients happy at home, driving at home and doing well clinically at home. I think those are the 3 big moments that start to really galvanize the clinic toward and many, many clinics have actually isolated down we will offer Tablo now moving forward.

Travis Steed

analyst
#34

It feels like the first 10 takes longer, then the next 10, 10 to 20 a little faster. So there could be some momentum in terms of like a center, like once they see the first 10 successful, why not do the next 10 pretty quickly?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#35

There could be. And I would just say it's more to be revealed time on task. So I don't have enough evidence in my own mind to say categorically you're right. But I think you might be. It would make intuitive sense.

Travis Steed

analyst
#36

When you think about some of the things driving these centers, like staffing obviously is an issue with dialysis nurses or whatever, it seems like there should be more of a reason that these centers will be pushing home even more, if you think about it. Are there maybe some examples you could talk about like centers that do have 10-plus people per home? Like are they getting efficiencies that some of these other centers are not? Like is that something they can talk about to these other centers and just kind of help spread awareness?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#37

Yes, I think so. There's certainly a lot of efficiencies. I think, some of the efficiencies by the way, I'll just go back to technology because we send -- Tablo sends all of the data from every treatment directly up to the cloud or directly to their EMR. That saves an immense amount of administrative time. On the incumbent machine, the patient, him or herself had to fill out written flow sheets, so you'd end up with maybe 30 or 40 pieces of paper every month. Those had to be either faxed, if anybody sells a fax machine, or manually carried into the dialysis clinic. And then the nurse would actually have to take these paper and then type it all into their EMR system just so that they could get paid. So Tablo, in a great way, makes all of that go away. So we also have not yet, I think, reached the ceiling of how many patients can an individual nurse manage. I think we're going to drive a lot of efficiencies there. I don't know what the peak number is going to be. But what we do find over and over again is that patients are incredibly self-sufficient, aided by technology, which I think will increase throughput and then also management efficiency of these programs over time.

Travis Steed

analyst
#38

What's the limiting factor in the growth here in the home? If you had to boil it down to like 1 aspect, like what do you think is the most limiting to the home growth?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#39

I would say there's a reality to , which I appreciate in a deeper -- I have come to appreciate in a deeper level as the years have gone by, I think there is a reality to something in medicine being done the exact same way for 40 years. And so you have had this the way it's been done, just the easy button, autopilot for physicians has been like clinic, clinic, clinic and there's always been an abundance of chairs and an abundance of clinics and there's always kind of room in the end. That's changing. But I think that it's going to be a process of behavior change, both with physicians and even some of the staff in the clinics. But to me, I am a firm believer in when, not if. But the when is going to take a little bit more time than just -- my background is mostly like new devices in the cath lab. And that when, you do tend to see inflection points because it's just this device is a little bit better than the other, but the cath lab hasn't changed. We're in an equivalent way change in the cath lab through the use of a new technology, but we are changing kind of changing minds and changing practice patterns and that's going to happen over time.

Travis Steed

analyst
#40

I think that makes a lot of sense. I thought about it that way. Are you seeing the younger surgeons -- or not surgeons but doctors come in and are more receptive of the technology? Because we kind of saw that in robotics where market coming slowly grow, they kind of inflected as there was just like younger generation of surgeons coming in.

Leslie Trigg

executive
#41

Yes. I wanted to believe that, but as somebody now in their 50s, I'm actually proud to say that the older physicians, I'm rooting for the -- I'm rooting for them. No, we, too, are capable of change. So I actually haven't seen as much of that. As I think about sort of population of prescribing physicians, I can't say that I see any trends around age or anything else.

Travis Steed

analyst
#42

Okay. That's interesting. And I guess, why not do DTC advertising in terms of like start persuading awareness with patients because at the end of the day, it's really the patient making the choice, I guess.

Leslie Trigg

executive
#43

Yes. Well, a couple of reasons. I did this once, different company, different situation, and I did it prematurely. And so patients got all hyped up and jazzed up before we had really properly educated the physicians. And most people, I think if we just put ourselves in the shoes of like, let's say, we don't know very much about something, I still listen to my physicians. I'm going to do my own research. But if a physician would tell me strongly do not do that or that's not for you, I probably would listen to them. So my lesson learned from this other company many years ago is kind of that the time and the right place. And so I think we -- having said that, we have kind of parallel past. We've been doing, I would call it, controlled experiments which we've targeted social media, which has worked very, very, very well. But we've ring-fenced it around clinics that already offer Tablo so that it's actionable. Earlier, when I did this, it was kind of more of a buckshot, and I have not -- I'm not a believer in that. And so we are doing limited, very, very cost-effective pilots with social media, but all aimed around in supporting locations that already offer Tablo with physicians that are bought in. And I think that you'll probably see us do more of that type of approach.

Travis Steed

analyst
#44

So I guess the thing to really wait before you go even bigger with this is to get more centers doing Tablo and you have more infrastructure in place, is that right?

Leslie Trigg

executive
#45

I think channel access is a big part of last year, it's a big part of this year. I would say this year, we're also really interested in now that we have enough locations, so as we talked about sort of growing depth and finding new ways to grow depth. It's more efficient for us actually as a commercial organization and certainly more efficient for the clinic. And I think there's a flywheel going in a location where more and more people that might be dialyzing in center are hearing and seeing and watching people get trained on Tablo.

Travis Steed

analyst
#46

Helpful. And Nabeel, do you want talk about margins before we run out of time?

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#47

I'd love to.

Travis Steed

analyst
#48

It's good. I guess -- that's important. I guess one of the things I would think like the upside in Q1, pricing is a little bit better. It feels like that momentum really that you saw in Q1 and the upside on the gross margin side hasn't really changed.

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#49

Well, margin expansion for us has always been 3 things primarily. One is console cost down, two is the consumable pull through and three is service leverage. And so that's been what has allowed us to expand margins for 8 consecutive quarters now, Travis. The benefit we saw in Q1, we saw all of the above plus better ASP for the reasons we talked about earlier. And so again, that just gives us more conviction in our, number one, exit in the mid-20s. And number two, our path to 50%, which is kind of the milestone, the next milestone we're aiming towards. So the best news on margin is it's nothing new, it's just us executing on things that we have proven to be very good at.

Travis Steed

analyst
#50

On the Tablo cartridge and sourcing in terms of like ramping the throughput on that, where are you at in that stage?

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#51

Yes. So we started that late last year. As we sit here today, we have started sort of shipping those cartridges to our customers. By the end -- and so our plant is ramping up. By the end of this year, most of the cartridges that we produce will come from our plant in Mexico. And so as we think longer term, there's 2 big objectives of that project. Number one, we now have -- or by the end of the year, we'll have 3 sort of credible sources of supply which we think is important. Diversification of our supply base is really important. And then number two, it will allow us to protect our longer-term margin expansion because we're not dependent on a contract manufacturer for new resins or we're not ceding a profit margin or anything of that sort, right? So those are the big objectives there. We're really excited about that project and happy with the way it's going.

Travis Steed

analyst
#52

And then when you think about to get to that 50% gross margin goal, what is the mix of the [ consumables ] versus capital go to get to the 50% margin versus where you're at today?

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#53

Yes, Travis, so today, the console is roughly -- the console of the majority, it's 54%, 55% of vertical revenue. And at that 50% margin point, we think the console is 50%, and then consumables and service, the 2 recurring revenue elements, are about 50% of the mix.

Travis Steed

analyst
#54

And so as long as revenues grow, this kind of sustain and this kind of where it's been 20-plus percent, like it feels like the margin trajectory should be pretty linear from here exiting the year 25% to 50%?

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#55

Spot on, yes. We've demonstrated again going back in time that the margin trajectory is linear. And going forward, it will remain linear from here where we exit this year to the 50%.

Travis Steed

analyst
#56

And what about cash burn? Because Q1 is a little lighter on cash burn.

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#57

Q1, so our big commitment for cash is that we will burn less cash in '23 than we did in '22. That will come from 3 things: one, more revenue in '23 relative to '22; two is sort of improved gross margin; and three is operating leverage. We talked about revenue expected growth of 25% to 30% and OpEx expected growth of sort of low double digits. So we're going to drive operating leverage with a higher top line. In Q1, we have a bunch of annual payments we make, compensation payments we do, our sales and service meetings. And so Q1 tends to be the heaviest cash burn quarter for us and for others. And so you would expect that to ameliorate as we move forward.

Travis Steed

analyst
#58

Great. Any question in the audience? Great. I think that's really all I had. So we can stop there. Thank you.

Leslie Trigg

executive
#59

Yes, thank you. Yes, good to be here. Thanks.

Nabeel Ahmed

executive
#60

Thanks, Travis. Thanks, everyone.

Leslie Trigg

executive
#61

Thanks.

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