Praxis Precision Medicines, Inc. (PRAX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 2, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Marcio Souza
executiveGood morning, everyone. It's a real pleasure to be here with all of you, the government [indiscernible], so don't have to worry about that. So we can focus on our update for the R&D Day. Praxis is incredibly humbling at to be here with some of the updates that we are going to be showing today. Before I get started, I just want to make sure, we're going to be making forward-looking statements. Refer to our SEC website for some of them. And together with myself, we're going to be joined by some of our same colleagues at Praxis, but also by Dr. S.P and experts and Movement Disorder by Dr. French, that requires no introduction, an expert on the epilepsy field as well. The format of the meeting is going to be focused on some of the key topics that are relevant for us right now as a company, and shortly thereafter for each one of the sections, we're going to have a Q&A. I'm more than encourage, I ask you to participate during the Q&A session. I think we can have a very robust discussion with our experts here during all of that. Just a reminder, and I know most of you, either here in presence in Burford, New York City, or on the webcast are quite familiar with Praxis. But we do have 2 platforms: one is Small Molecule Platform; and one, Oligonucleotide platform. We're very excited about both of them. Going to be giving updates today on both sides of this equation. But one point that I wanted to make upfront is that all of that is enabled by our understanding of genetics in the brain. Right? So how genetics manifest, and how the lab creates, unfortunately, certain conditions that affect patients leading to CNS disorders. Specifically for the time we have today allocated and for the time of the year, we're going to be focusing on 3 major programs. Alex is going to discuss Ulixacaltamide, our late-stage program in Phase III for essential tremor. The main areas we're going to be covering there is the confidence we got from Essential1 after the initial analysis and beyond that to enable our Phase III program. And then the second is, how is that Phase III program? I know many of the questions we get throughout the last several months from all of you is how we are going to operationalize, what is the power of that study, like how the recruitment and so on. I think we have some quite exciting news there as well. Karl is going to be reviewing the 628 program as well, something we are incredibly excited about, like, which, in our view, it is really the ultimate way to disrupt positively Focal Epilepsy and Generalize Epilepsy in the markets, which is very much needed as we're going to continue to discuss on the next few hours. And lastly, I'm going to discuss a little bit Praxis [indiscernible] and what we've been doing about it and what we have been seeing with these patients, and I believe it is going to be quite exciting. I hope you are as excited as I am at the end of that conversation. Just going back to the principles here, and Steve is going to go in a lot more detail about this, but I want to remind us all, right, on how we look into drug discovery, through developments, derisking as a framework for Praxis. So look into genetics as like a foundation, you might be aware of that, but drugs with an understanding of the underpinnings from a genetic perspective are twice as successful at the end, when you look into all the analogs for the ones that are not. So we see this not only as an engine, but it's a derisking factor for us as well. The use of translational tools are going to be quite obvious throughout the presentation. Obviously, every single company doing drug development use translational tools, but we're looking here into very specific ways to enable the program, understanding the biology and imagine what matter and using that measure to answer the question that you are primarily asking. And efficiency and rigor, or speeds and quality are not trade-offs. You can do both when you're very deliberate about doing both. And that's for it's something we're incredibly committed about doing, and that's going to be incredibly clear, when Alex describe the Essential3 program that that's how we're calling our Phase III program for Ulixacaltamide on how we are bringing that to life as we speak. It goes without saying, and it's oftentimes more rhetorical than II, when people say they are patient -- center patient guided. But for us, it's very real. From the very beginning, when you look into genetics or population genetics or specific for what kind of translation does that matter for patients, is the way we are delivering the clinical drug, the clinical trial, are we meeting the patients where they are, is something incredibly important. Do we actually understand what are the needs? And that's going to become quite obvious in some of the areas, both in essential term or in epilepsy. They're going to go there. For, fundamentally, this audience, right? This is a value conversation. And we need to make sure, we understand, as a company, and we give you the confidence as our shareholders and investors and others that we understand the value on both sides of this equation, both on movement disorders, and on epilepsy. It's going to be quite obvious at the end that it is obvious for us, please criticize as if that's not the case, that the value is tremendous on both sides of that. I just want to illustrate, by going through a very high-level idea value for first essential tremor and then the epilepsies that we are going after. When you look into essential tremor in the United States alone, arguably someone in this room has it. Seven million individuals outside of the door are now coping with it. It is not a benign condition. As been described before, it affects every aspect of their life and it progress as the patients age in most cases, not in all cases, but in most cases. About 2 million of those patients are seeking treatment. To some extent, in despair, as Alex is going to go for the funnel here understanding like what happens when you get treatment, what happens on the next month, what happens on the next year. And unfortunately, it's not a beautiful picture here. So from an unmanned perspective, it's undeniable that it needs to be disrupted, and it will be disrupted with Ulixacaltamide. From a value perspective, it's a wide open market. When you compare to even less common drugs like, it's abysmal. The difference between alternatives patients have and every disease, in my view, is important, right? So I'm not making here a relative importance on where drugs should be developed for A or for B indications. That's not -- by no means or the chart is meant to show, but it's really the inability to address this disease with what we have right now. So one has to ask why in a situation like this. Then why is it that endogenous disease endpoints that have not been defined, understandings of the biology and fundamentally mechanisms that address fundamentally the dysfunction in the brain, the oscillatory networks that are not behaving the way one would like them to do. And the collection of all of that is what we are trying to address today, with Ulixacaltamide. And by the end of the conversation, I trust that all of us are going to be on the same page, how that's going to happen. I also hope that I was here today, and I know hope is not a strategy, and I always use that, but I do hope that we were here today saying, oh, [indiscernible] epilepsy is completely different, right? We know how to treat epilepsy for decades and decades. So therefore, the picture is different. But the picture is not that different. Most of the discussion in the field right now is about the middle of this chart. It's about the patients with refractory seizures. And yes, if you look into that alone, and there are a million patients in the United States that start the treatment, stop, don't control their seizures, cannot drive, cannot care for their families, cannot be in a hotel room alone. Those are implications of having one seizure, not many, one. They cannot control with everything because -- and the because here, I am going to be explained later, right? It's not only the efficacy, that is the tolerability that plays a huge role here. That alone would be a massive market. But I'm going to invite you to think about what's happening with the other 2.5 million patients today as well. Because they are by no mean like enjoying what's happening. And just like leaving their lives, as most of us here are without the constant fear that they're going to have a breakthrough seizure. Or with the constant fear or that the side effects are too much for their life and they might need to trade off like having a seizure for continue having a side effect. So that's quite important. But to also know, we do have a smaller indication and small is always relative. In terms of the [ DEEs ] that we are aiming to resolve. When you look into their markets and while there are fantastic advance there, like looking to the left-hand side, and I'm very thankful for the scientists, for the companies, for people in the fields actually driving like great solutions for SCN1A. Patients for Dravet syndrome or patients for [ Lennox-Gastaut ] or patients -- there are still residual needs there, absolutely. And I'm glad there's many, many companies working on that, and it's wonderful for the fields. But when you look into the right-hand side there, like if you start walking from that first bar, the needs for patients with other [indiscernible], and we created subset here on things that we are actively working to address are incredible. The difference is that there is nothing for them right now. So when a patient with SCN2A, gain of function or loss of function, but let's focus for a second on gain a function here, exhaust all the interstitial medications as they happen very quickly. They are at the mercy of the next seizure. And that's quite important, right? Because think about your own life and loved ones and having that next seizure, how important it is. So I'm going to take that opportunity and to some extent, the hope there to talk a little bit about the 222 program because we haven't really explored to its depth, how much excited we are about it. So as you know, PRAX-222, now we have the proposed INN there. So we can give them a name and hopefully, some last name. The aim is to revolutionize the way ASOs are developed for epilepsies. That was the aim from the beginning when Dr. Petrou and Alex, Kelly started working on this as a very small group of people trying to solve this problem, right? But it is still the aim today, that we are really working very hard to these routes. Maybe just to ground everyone on 2A. When you look into the condition, patients with mutations on the gene that encodes to Nav1.2, this sudden channel in the brain or SGN2A. They have a very predictable to some extent, life. They seize at birth or no later than 3 months at life, and I know many people in this audience here and the webcast have kids. So just imagine that for a second, right, a newborn and [indiscernible] at the day, they don't go away. There are many other conditions that kids have seizures at birth. And I don't wish any of them to actually ever happen, but that you can control and control pretty well, but you cannot. They're refractory and they continue throughout the life of those patients. The one concept that might have been lost is that, that is a direct correlation between sudden and unexpected [indiscernible] with the number, frequency and severity of seizures a patient have. So when you're talking about reducing that, we are talking about survival, right? We're directly linking not only quality of life as many talk, not only the reduction in an end point, but really keeping these kids alive for better medical advance, better treatment, better understanding of how to give those treatments or simply to enjoy more time with their families. So our mission is really to change the trajectory, like 1 patient at time. And we always said that, right? A lot of you have been interacting with us in a very long time. But this came to life several months ago, like about 7 months ago, in a way that was unexpected for us, and that's how I would like to start this conversation. We got a call from a team saying, "We have a patient here with us, and this patient was born in convulsive status epilepticus. We try to do everything we could to rescue, where a lot of you know, like other companies are working on that space as well, they couldn't do anything. So we know the trajectory, right? They're going to continuously seize, have both our seizures and unfortunately, perish -- the most part. And the question at that point in time is, would you be willing to provide PRAX-222 in an emergency base. No. Put ourselves in our shoes at that point in time, right? This would be the first patient ever to receive the drugs, an emergency case. And as you can see here, was not only that, it was a preterm newborn. So we go back to the framework. Are we here to help or are we here to just like play into the development the way we normally have plans. And I think the decision at the end of the day was we're here to help. Obviously, we had multiple meetings with the team there. A fantastic team of physicians and parents that we're engaged on this. And the expectation at that point in time is, well, maybe you can help them get a little bit more rescue medications going on and a few other things, to keep this kid stable. But what we're actually seeing was fairly dramatic. So what we see in this patient is after 1 dose, the very first dose within the very first month, it went from continuous convulsive seizure. We're talking about an EEG that does not change patterns here. So I want to be clear, right? This is not like you are 5 minutes and then it goes away and then 5 minutes and go away as sometimes Status Epilepticus is. This is a very, very severe kid on the ICU without really any other. And what we see in this periods that was not happening. So encouraging, but not necessarily the end of it. Now you fast forward to 7 dose of the drug. And remember, 7 dose is not like 7 days. 7 dose are 7 months or more, here, right? We were talking about twice as long of a period of observation for every antiseizure medication that has been approved in the United States to date on their pivotal trial. I want to put that in context, right? The way to approve drugs is 12 weeks observation, versus the 28 days before at baseline. Just to create the framework that it goes beyond that normal period of observation for the first [indiscernible] studies that are looking. And as you can see here and read all of this or -- it's dramatic, the change. No status, basically no seizures. And what for me was quite phenomenal, one was shared by the clinical team is like being able to breast feed, right? That is a very high function, requires a lot of coordination, requires a lot of like other things going on in the environment for a patient like that. That patient is clinically stable. This actual 7th dose was just delivered days or so. So really doing great. Now if I show you data from 1 patient or say, no, Marcio, this is great. And I think we're all excited about it and I'm glad you're helping 1 patient. So our next question is, what is happening with our [indiscernible] trial in the United States, rather being running a study in the United States, as you are all aware, which we call EMBRAVE. And just to bring it back to what we aim to do EMBRAVE in the current study here in the U.S. So we're looking for primarily, safety, right? That was the objective. So got to the end of EMBRAVE, gave them 4 dose. The patients were safe like no major issues, no major like side effects, would say success that was a success. No. Because we care a lot, our bar was, we expect to see something going on as well on their seizures, and overall. Patients were dosed every month and then they're collected daily seizure information and then the following month and so on. So at this point in time, as we stand here with you today, we have 3 of those completed -- 3 months observation. So 3 dose plus 2 weeks after for the observations completed for all those patients. The fourth period is forthcoming in the next few weeks as well. And what we're seeing -- I believe shocked us, to some extent, not because we're not expecting, but because we're incredibly happy with what we are seeing. As some of you research [indiscernible] leaders, wrote in your reports on the analyst community here on the ones, investors on the phone that talked with us. If you've seen 10%, 15% seizure reduction on this cohort, we should be really, really happy, right? Because all those patients are on best standard of care. Like everything was tried, they are stable on that dose. There is nothing else to be gain from the treatment area. But what we're actually seeing, is much better results than that at this point in time. So we see here after 1 dose, 2 dose, 3 dose, [indiscernible], we're seeing orders of magnitude than our expectation. And as you can see on the range on the bottom here of the slides, of course, there's variability within those patients. But every one of them benefited. So when you put this together on 4 patients here, the patient on the emergence access, it becomes very, very hard no matter how much you want to maybe add some caveats to not believe that this is the most incredible results that's been seen in this disease ever, right? It would be great to just stop here, right? But one of the things we heard again and again from key opinion leaders in this field is, did it reduce just the number of seizures? Or there is any other measure associated with that, that might be important for the patients, for their lives? As you all know, there is a big like agenda push rightly so by the FDA on understanding how does that impact patients' lives at the end. And then when you look into the number of days in demand, that they did not seize at all, right? So 0 seizures entering that day. See the baseline there, 21% on the first month. And then in general, it's almost double, right? So from 21% to 33% number of days, it's a very, very significant. So I'm going to ask you once again to ask yourself, you have a kid with this condition, 24-hour care, what happens when they are actually not seizing the day to your life to a quality of life to the interventions and everything else. Now, there are much more to come as we continue to advance this. But it's quite incredible and unprecedented. It's also timely to some extent as we're preparing for this conversation in the last few days. And I got to back on Saturday saying 1 more patient died in the United States, 10-year-olds, with this condition. That hurts because our speed is never as fast as the families expected us to be as these patients needed to be. But it creates a motivation for me at least and for all of us at Praxis to actually move this, to actually help these patients more and more. Now none of this would matter if the drug was incredibly toxic and we couldn't give this to patients, they're having all sort of weird side effects, but that's not the case. We had no treatment emerging, adverse events or they are related to drug or serious adverse events related to drug. Not showing all the lab values and things like this here, and we're going to do this in a later date. But I can tell you that it's pretty an eventful as well [indiscernible] as safety should always be for situations like this. So incredibly excited, but it does change the trajectory of the program for us, because our target profile was less than what we were seeing with this cohort right now. So they are very rare times in history of drug development that one can reach the target profile in the first cohort. So our proposal for next steps here is, obviously, you're going to wrap it up the collection. We want to make sure that we do that, compile this package on the next several weeks, have an interaction with the FDA, which we obviously expect them to be very open to the benefit risk that exists here for disease without any other treatments. There's not only any other treatment available, there is no any other treatments in development. There's absolutely nothing else in the clinic for these patients. So therefore, the urgency as well. And having now decided that this dose is efficacious to expand this cohort and to run a pivotal trial. Actually, now that I said that the dose, I was remiss to actually reflect on that dose. You're all very familiar with intrathecally delivered ASOs. And with the great benefits that are being seen with some of the setbacks that happened in the field as well. And if that is one thing we know about drug development in general is like, should always try to give the least amount of drug that's going to give you the maximum benefits, right? Not only because it's nice, but because drugs do other things when you give a lot of them, chemically or biophysically or biochemistry, they just happen. And this -- so we knew from the very beginning is incredibly potent, distributes really well on the brain and it's giving a 1 milligram dose every month. So very, very happy with what we hear, incredibly humbled by where we stand as well. They study in the U.S. by design was done with Dr. James Willis and -- in Tennessee. So I would be remissed not to actually thank him and his team were like word leaders in this kind of study, they really jumped in, brought all their patients there, did the best possible care these patients could have and -- but ultimately, the heroes here are those patients, right? When they got to the trial, despite not having other alternative, they didn't know the risk they were putting the kids in. So I just want to take this moment as well to thank them. It brings me to our like moto, tagline, philosophy for life, at Praxis, we always say, we are there for more. And we, therefore, more for each one of those patients for every execution for every study we conducted for every patient and life we touch about every conversation we follow you. I'm sure you all will relate to that. And this is a very clear example of what there for more actually means for these patients. So I sincerely hope that you are excited as I am as everyone else, at Praxis and obviously, the community at large out there is for this drug to move forward. So before I move to Alex to give us an update on Ulixacaltamide, I just want to review very quickly and go back to the calendar for the milestones for us here. As you can see, I'm going to focus on the right part. So the -- we're going to be discussing the Ulixa Phase III program, 2 studies as Alex is going to review, Initiation [indiscernible] we're in Q4. Hard to believe we are here already, but we're starting there. We're going to be fast and furious about driving that study to completion as going to be clear by the end of this conversation. Karl is going to discuss the readout -- expected readout by the end of the year for our PPR study with 628 and why we are doing, it is why we believe that's an important additional piece of information. We just talked about EMBRAVE in general, there are many other things. The one change that I wanted to highlight here is why we have very good interest and patients for the 562 study. We underestimated the fragility of these patients during the enrollment periods. And really the ability to get to these patients on the time that we had. So we're extending the time to complete the enrollment for that study a little longer. Mostly to allow for this entire screening process and the stabilization process actually for the accounting of the seizures and make sure these patients are there. We also pivot to a hybrid study design for 562, where one of the biggest issues that we are facing is that patients want to participate in the trial. They are willing, but they can't go to the sites. Because there's really a lot when they moved. So we created a hybrid network, where the health care team goes to their house and do the assessment versus the other way around, which is to our knowledge being discussed for a lot in epilepsy, but has not been implemented. We're very happy with the implementation with the quality of it and using their learnings for future studies as well. So before further ado, I'm going to ask Alex La Croix, our Head of Movement Disorders to talk a little bit about the Ulixa Program.
Alex La Croix
executiveThank you, Marcio. So as Marcio mentioned, my name is Alex La Croix, I'm the program lead for ulixacaltamide at Praxis. So two things, so there are two topics on the slide. But first, I just want to emphasize this is not a clinical update on ulixacaltamide, but really, how are we leveraging the insights from the Essential1 program into our Phase III program. And as Marcio mentioned, the Phase III program is Essential3. Before I get started, I just want to point out, I work with an exceptional group of people at Praxis, whether it's the study teams that are supporting the program or the broader network of staff that are supporting those teams, and even our leadership team which is highly engaged in the program and, as Marcio said, is daring the team to do more as well. So I just want to recognize that all of the data you're going to see is really reflective of that team's efforts over the past 7 months since we released top line data. So essential tremor is underappreciated disorder. And as Marcio mentioned, it's often referred to as a benign disease, a benign tremor. And I would ask the question of benign compared to what. Like, vanilla ice cream is benign, but a disease, no matter what the disease, is not benign. And if you were to ask a patient with essential tremor or the family members that support those patients, essential tremor is not benign. And it's really surprising that there's that perspective of this disease because essential tremor is the largest movement disorder in the space. That are approximately 7 million patients with the disease, and their daily activities are severely affected. And because they're affected, these patients also acquire comorbid conditions around anxiety, frustration, depression, things that not only impact them and their family members but also are triggers for the disease as well. One of the reasons why there is a misperception around essential tremor is a perception that the modalities for essential tremor are viable for these patients. There's an approved therapy, propranolol. It was approved back in 1986. But the vast majority of patients cannot take propranolol because it is contraindicated due to health conditions, health risks, other medications they're taking as well. And based on our claims data, we know that the small fraction of patients who actually take propranolol rapidly discontinue. So a small number start taking propranolol, an even smaller fraction of the patients who seek treatment end up maintaining propranolol therapy after 2 years, 20%. As Marcio has mentioned, our goal is to disrupt care in essential tremor. We intend to be not only the first in class but the best-in-class novel modality in essential tremor. And we, based on our emerging profile with Essential1, are going to be significantly differentiated in terms of efficacy, clinically meaningful benefit to patients, safety and tolerability, adherence. And it will be able to be used in a broad section of the patient population, not a subset like propranolol is. And we'll also share some early data that shows that it can be used, even in the subset of patients that are on propranolol, with or without having incremental benefit. So essential tremor -- I'm sorry, Essential1 has demonstrated clinical benefit at multiple time points in the study. And I'll share that with you. But even in the first 8 weeks of the study, the efficacy has been compelling. We'll show more data that shows that it's long-term benefit and durable and also is confirmed in patients that are switched from placebo and also has a well-tolerated safety profile as well. And one of the other things that we did in Essential1 was deliberately tested concepts and operational strategies that we intend to implement in our Phase III program as well. And an important aspect of this is that we were able to have a data-driven discussion with the FDA in our end of Phase II meeting, so where they agreed to mADL11 as our primary end point, a study duration of 12 weeks, and other design elements with the study as well. And another operational consideration here is that we're going to be taking a robust patient recruitment strategy, which I'll talk about more later in the slide presentation, and applying that to our Phase III program to rapidly enroll this Phase III study. So I'm sure everybody is aware of the Essential1 study schema, but I just want to point out three things because there are three main takeaways with the Essential1 study. So we saw in the first part, through week 8, we saw proof of concept, clinical proof of concept, with the Essential1 with ulixacaltamide. In the second portion, in the double-blind lead-in, which I just want to remind folks is, when we took all of the placebo patients and transitioned them on to drug in a blinded fashion, patients did not know if they were on active or placebo going into that study. And we saw two things in that period, one was a durable effect and the second was a confirmation of drug effect in the placebo patients transitioned to ulixa. And then the third part of the study, in our crossover design, we confirmed drug effect with a randomized withdrawal. And I'll walk through the data in subsequent slides. So again, FDA has agreed to mADL11 as our primary end point in the Phase III program. And when we look at the Essential1 data, through that lens, in 116 patients, which was the study population in Essential1, we see statistically significant results and separation between placebo and ulixacaltamide patients. And when we look at two clinical outcome measures, one is a patient-reported outcome and the other is a clinician outcome measure, so PGI-C is a patient-reported outcome that is the patient's perception of whether their condition is improving or worsening. And when we look at that data and compare it to placebo, again, we see a nominal value in that group. And when we look at the clinician perspective using CGI-S, which is severity scale, again, the clinician's perception of whether a patient's disease is actually becoming less severe or more severe, again, a p-value that is significant as well. So we now have three data points: mADL11 and two clinical outcome measures that all point in the same direction. So it's a reasonable question to ask, is mADL11 a clinically meaningful measure? What is clinically meaningful about a point improvement, 2-point improvement, 3-point improvement in mADL11? So shortly, after we had our top line results back in March, FDA came out with guidance about how to use these clinical outcome assessments, like PGI and CGI, and correlate them to a clinical measure like mADL11. And we applied their methodology to this analysis and found that a 2-point improvement in mADL11 was clinically meaningful. And that is our minimum clinically important difference. So when we look at our data through that lens and actually setting a slightly higher bar, not 2 points, but a 3-point improvement in mADL11, again, at 8 weeks of therapy, we see a clear separation between placebo and ulixacaltamide groups, statistically significant results. And one thing I want to point out again, this is not a mean 3-point change. It is patients, the proportion of patients who met that threshold, and almost 60% of patients on ulixacaltamide responded with that, met that minimum 3-point change. And I just want to put it in context as well that it's a minimum of 3 points. And at the upper end, it was a 17-point change in mADL11, so a pretty significant effect. And when we go out to week 14, there are two conclusions that we can draw from it. The first is that the patients who are on ulixacaltamide throughout the study continued to improve. And it was 55% at week 8, it's 64% at week 14, so a continued improvement in that group overall. And more importantly is that we see a confirmation of drug effect. So when the patients who are previously on placebo at week 8 are put on drug, we see a comparable effect a rapid-on effect in the patients who were transitioned to ulixacaltamide. And again, this was a blinded period in the study where patients didn't know if they were coming into that period on active drug or on placebo. And a slightly different way to look at this is when we take the subset of patients who were on a stable dose of propranolol, there were patients that were on placebo and propranolol in gray and you have patients on propranolol and ulixacaltamide in blue. And you see a nice separation and what seems to be a clear drug -- incremental drug effect when you layer on propranolol. And what we haven't included here is also an analysis going out to week 14 where we see those placebo patients who, again, 25% of the patients met that 3-point -- placebo patients met that 3-point threshold. At 14 weeks, they look just like the ulixacaltamide patients on this figure, so a nice confirmation of effect. So moving away from a discrete time point and looking at the continuous variable from week 8 to week 14, again, when patients who have been on ulixacaltamide throughout the study, and looking at their continued improvement beyond the primary period of the study, in the double-blind lead-in, we see almost 2 points additional improvement through week 14; and again, a confirmation of drug effect in the placebo patients who were transitioned at week 8 and have a rapid response to ulixacaltamide and again, looked very similar to the patients who are on ulixacaltamide throughout the study, almost -- over a 3-point change in that group as well. So all of the data that you've seen to this point is patients going on the ulixacaltamide. And in our randomized withdrawal study, our crossover design study where we randomized patients who are on a stable dose of ulixacaltamide to either placebo or ulixa, the patients who withdrew drug had the exact opposite effect. Instead of a rapid-on when they go on ulixacaltamide, they had a rapid-off, and you can see the dramatic difference between the placebo and treated groups. So one thing I want to point out is, again, like going into the Phase III study, it is not 1 data point that we are hanging our hat on. It is multiple data points over multiple time periods across multiple treatment groups. It's an orthogonal analysis that is supporting our Phase III strategy. And again, in multiple different ways, mADL is confirmed as a viable phase primary end point in our study. And we've also demonstrated what is clinically meaningful -- what is a clinically meaningful level of response with mADL11 and also testing various elements of our Phase III strategy as well. So just want to again point out, 7 months, it's been 7 months since we released our top line results. And in that time, we requested our end of Phase II meeting, put together a briefing book, had a very successful meeting with the agency where we aligned not just on the primary end point but the duration of study and dose; and also shared preliminary concepts around the Phase III protocol. Coming out of the end of Phase II meeting, we quickly finalize those protocols, shared them with the agency and receive feedback at the end of September. And in parallel, the study team has been working on start-up activities and also doing pre-engagement with the patient community around interest in the study, which I'll talk about more in just a moment, and we are poised to expand our recruitment efforts and initiate the study later this quarter. So again, 7 months, this team has done. and again, an exceptional team of folks has supported this. So our Phase III strategy consists of two primary studies: a parallel design where we'll compare 60 milligrams of ulixa to placebo and a randomized withdrawal study as well where patients will be treated for a period of 8 weeks. Patients who meet a prespecified responder criteria will be randomized to either placebo or ulixa and evaluated over a 4-week period. And I'll talk a little bit more about that design in just a moment. Now for those paying attention, you can see an innovative Phase III program in the title. And that isn't particularly innovative in and of itself, right, I mean we've done a parallel design study with a Essential1. This will be the third time we've done a randomized withdrawal study with ulixa. So again, the structure and design of these studies is largely derisked, almost wholly derisked, I would say. But there are two studies. And in a traditional Phase III development, two studies means two protocols, two IRB reviews, two eligibility committee reviews, two of everything, two recruitment pathways. What we're proposing to do is have these under a single protocol, have single recruitment, have a single eligibility committee review, single screening. And patients that meet the eligibility after screening will be blinded, blind randomization into one of the studies. So it will be a single pathway. The benefit is, is that we are looking at the same profile of patients in both studies but evaluating them in two different ways. And one of the benefits of this approach is it reduces study bias, a randomized withdrawal study. Again, patients know they're going on active drug. With this, we're actually reducing that bias, randomizing the patients in a blinded fashion, so that nobody knows which study they're on. And all patients that complete the study will have the option to roll into our long-term safety study as well. So a little bit more detail on the study design, clicking into it one level down, we anticipate enrolling a total of 600 patients into the study across the 2 sub-studies. So the parallel design study, we will enroll 400 patients. The end point that we'll look at is mADL11 change from baseline out to week 12. And it's powered -- 90% powered to detect difference. The randomized withdrawal study, we anticipate enrolling 200 patients. And again, I mentioned it will go out to -- the patients will be treated for 8 weeks. A subset of those 200 patients will go through a responder analysis. And those patients who meet that threshold will be randomized into the randomized withdrawal study. And the end point there is a little different. It's basically taking the week 8 baseline and determining response at that 8-week baseline and looking at the patients who go into the randomized withdrawal and comparing the response rates after they go into the randomized group. And it is also powered to 90%. So one of the key learnings in Essential1 was that we need to prospectively stratify the patient population. We've talked a lot about intention tremor patients as a bit of a confounder in the Essential1 study from a placebo standpoint. We will be prospectively stratifying that patient population because we do recognize that the intention tremor population, as long as its ET plus intention tremor, is a part of this disorder, and we need to understand it clinically. So we'll be ensuring that we are balancing that patient population across the 3 arms of the study effectively and also prospectively stratifying around ET family history and propranolol use as well. And we'll be looking at, among other things, in the secondaries, TETRAS-ADL and the clinical outcome assessment, CGI, PGI-S and PGI-C. So another innovation to our study design is we'll be deploying a completely decentralized study. As Marcio mentioned, we're doing a hybrid approach on the epilepsy side. This will be completely done in the patient zone. And as he mentioned in the introduction, we want to bring the study to where the patients are, right? And the design of Essential3 is suitable to being more flexible in that regard. mADL11 can be done virtually. All aspects of the study can be done virtually, beginning with a structured video that will be a neurologic exam, that will be read by the investigator and then also confirmed by the eligibility committee review. And then all assessments will be done in the home as well. There will be a high touch of health care professional contact with these patients, either through home health visits with home health nurses or with investigators via telehealth visits as well. And one of the additional benefits of this having a decentralized platform to gather data is that the data capture will be real time. Again, in a traditional study, oftentimes, a site -- a patient goes into a site, gets their exam done, are monitored, and there's a piece of paper that just sits off to the side and it may or may not get entered in into the system right away or it might get entered and there'll be queries that will go on for weeks with a site. This will enable us to do real-time data capture and do quality checks in real time as well, which will simplify the process as well. And in order to maintain consistency across the study, we're going to have a nationwide network of investigators that will be trained on the protocol and evaluate patients in a standardized way in terms of the assessments and outcome, again, minimizing the variability across sites that we saw in Essential1. So again, we are bringing the trial to where the patients are. And what you see on the left-hand side of the slide is our social media campaign that, when launched, will be the starting point for patients to opt into the study. And again, it is a single recruitment portal where patients will regardless go into one evaluation and be randomized to 1 of the 2 studies in a blinded fashion after they are evaluated using the same inclusion-exclusion criteria as well and we'll also again stratify across the studies to maintain balance across those key variables. A really exciting aspect of this is going back to the -- when we were completing enrollment with Essential1, we had thousands of patients that were interested in Essential1, and several thousand of them opted into receiving future communications from us. We began reaching out to that patient population in September. And in less than a month, we had 600 patients put up their hand and say they were interested in participating in Essential3. And not only interested in participating in Essential3 but also we're really excited about participating in a decentralized study. So -- and when we -- just based on, again, a few thousand patients reaching out that when we actually expand this to nationwide recruitment we're very confident that we're going to hit our enrollment target in the first half of 2024. So we have all of the elements in place to execute on the Phase III. I've talked about the protocol, the design, patient-driven approach. Again, a lot of our success comes down to the way we work. A lot of companies talk about that, right? We actually do it. We take it to a new level. I've been at my fair share of companies and this -- and Praxis, definitely, is different in that regard. And the one thing that I do want to emphasize is that while we are focused on the Phase III design and execution right now, we are hyperfocused on NDA readiness as well. So once we have results, we will be ready to pivot and file. We're really confident in the program as it stands. We've derisked the endpoint. We know clinically meaningful -- what is clinically meaningful about mADL11, we've got an engaged and activated patient population, and we've got a motivated team. We have all the elements that we need to succeed on this program. I know there will probably be some questions. So what we'll do is I'll invite some folks up, Professor Espay from the University of Cincinnati, who's Director of the Movement Disorder Center and Endowed Chair at the University; Rich Able, our Head of Medical Affairs for the ulixa program, and invite Marcio backup as well.
Rich Able
executive[Operator Instructions] We have Dr. Espay here, who can provide clinical experience also, so we'll like to ask him a few questions directly about the experience and specifically the unmet need in this space. And we have about 25 minutes to conduct this session. As Marcio asked earlier, please engage and please feel free to ask questions.
Unknown Executive
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Yasmeen Rahimi
analystSorry, that was me. I turned it off. Pretty -- not computer savvy. Yasmeen Rahimi, Piper Sandler. Thank you again for doing this great day and your perspective. Alex, I have quite a bit of questions for you. I'm really intrigued by this virtual processing. So walk me through what measurements are done through this? Is every assessment on endpoint, recorded? And let's say you noticed that something is not done correctly, right? So investigator A, is screwing up, it's okay, what does your team do immediately? Like what will be in place, and they may be reflected back what happened in Essential1 that obviously didn't have that methodology in place. I guess what we're trying to figure out like what will we be this impact on the efficacy and the variability in the standard...
Alex La Croix
executiveYes. So it's a great question. So I would say that this actually gives us a lot more control over that. It sounds like it might be less control because it's decentralized and virtual. But being able to access the data faster, let's us query it, if there is something, and we also will have a system in place that we can monitor if there's any irregularities in the end points. We'll be collecting everything virtually. mADL11 is just a questionnaire, administered by the investigator. Same thing with PGI and CGI and all the other endpoints as well. So -- I think the -- one of the challenges we had in Essential1 in a brick-and-mortar type trial design was there was a significant degree of variability between sites, even multiple reviewers at sites. So sites could have inherent variability as well. So -- and investigators could have variability. So we're really trying to control and maintain for that.
Marcio Souza
executiveYes, and maybe I'll add something there Alex, for you guys as well. So one is, it's a smaller group of investigators with larger number of patients. So they're going to repeat a lot more the observations. So that's one important point. We're not compromising whatsoever on the screening, making sure those are proper patients. That's normally where the majority of the variability comes for a trial. But maybe what we're not clear is during the randomized withdrawal we did, we actually tested that hypothesis. We wanted to make sure that virtual visits versus on-site visits were no different. And so we checked the box as well. I think everything we've done for this study was deliberate. I think it would shock a lot of people to know that about 60% of all observations in any clinical trials right now are hybrids. I think people don't talk about it but they are just happening consistently across the industry. We're taking a step forward here because we're controlling the network, right? We're not only controlling the actual assessment but the network of patients being...
Yasmeen Rahimi
analystAnd then the last question is on the 600 patients that have shown interest and engagement, are you able to comment on how many of them would be eligible for the Essential3 study?
Marcio Souza
executiveYes, yes, we would. So the way we did that was a very significant interest, as Alex mentioned before we even started planning because we're so close like to start actually dosing patients in the Phase III. We went through an IRB approval process for a study. So this is actually a protocol that we go for the patients and understand where they are, are they in other medications or common inclusion criteria. We're not prescreening for Essential3 because we're prescreening for any Praxis Phase III study, which I think is interesting as well because it shows the commitment to continue to work with us. All of them being -- every single major inclusion criteria has been tested there. What I would say is, as we continue and by the way, today, there are more, right? There's a cut a few days ago, and this keeps adding every single day. It's a very significant proportion of the patients that would be off the gate eligible and a few of them that might after examination by the experts and the [ ERC ] cuts as well. So it gives us an incredible amount of confidence because we restrict the geography for this. We're not going to restrict the geography for the next phase. So like very, very encouraging.
Joon Lee
analystJoon Lee from Truist Securities. Congrats on the 222 data, that looks really promising. So looking forward to the updates there. On the ulixacaltamide, how does that compare with, I think it's called suvecaltamide. I think the structures of both are known. So have you tried any side-by-side comparison for some of your functional outcomes? And I have a follow-up.
Marcio Souza
executiveYes, we obviously did, right? Like, as you can imagine, I think it's proper due diligence to look across. Those drugs are all -- both of the drugs you mentioned, ourselves and the drug from Jazz looking to all 3 isoforms of the channel that are different on the potency, there are significant differences in our favor on the metabolic profile, and on the number of active metabolites, which we don't have one, and they do have multiple there. The formulation from the get-go for us is very specific to actually cover the [ day ] and they're waiting to interact with the channel, and I'm going to say, if you hold for a second, and Steve is going to talk about how drugs interact with channels and the importance so maybe Steve we'll ask you to comment on T-Type calcium channel inhibitors there as well. But that difference matters. We explore the dose to the maximum here, right? We those patients twice the actual concentration that we're expected to be therapeutic right now. I know that is hypothesis out there that those limitations will limit effect. It is not. And the only ones that actually run their experiment and have the data out is Praxis so...
Joon Lee
analystGreat. And then you mentioned the study is 90% powered. So 90% powered to show what? I mean what delta do you need to hit to be able to get that powering?
Marcio Souza
executiveSo it's beyond 90% power, as you can imagine, I'm sure [indiscernible] calculates that from the sample size, but it's slightly larger than a 0.3 effect size.
Alberto Espay
attendeeThe next one is right here. He rose -- your hand was up first...
Laura Chico
analystSorry Doug.
Marcio Souza
executiveDoug and then Laura.
Douglas Tsao
analystDoug Tsao from H.C. Wainwright. Just on ulixa for the Phase III program. I think Marcio, you had initially indicated that you plan to exclude patients with intention tremor. And now it sounds like you're simply going to stratify them and they will be included. So I'm just curious, was that based on FDA feedback and do you have updated thoughts on how that could potentially impact the study?
Marcio Souza
executiveSo it was mostly based on the conversation with the FDA. When you look into the study, these patients were not balanced because we didn't know the prognostic factor in Essential1. Obviously, the easiest thing when that happens is just to eliminate that in [ geo ] later in the process. But in the conversation with the agency, I think we already acknowledged that we just don't know, right, what will happen. One thing that is not clear in the field right now is the proportion of patients in the population. We strongly believe that it's very small, that proportion, but there is no definitive number there. So we put a 2-tier approach and maybe Dr. Espay can comment in terms of one being absolutely certain that is intention tumor. So even an additional check. And the second is that, that wouldn't interfere with the endpoint. But the key for us here is really balance. Like if you resimulate the Essential1 data sets, balancing the data set, there is no issue whatsoever, right? Now that's small in terms of what we're looking here. It's also one of our motivations to get this study larger than we originally expected. You're probably seeing that we're aiming for 400 patients on the parallel group study. So even if there is a small difference that we are not considering, that wouldn't be detrimental. I think the ultimate benefit for that is that there would be no restriction whatsoever on the population that would be treated. So expand even further the market. But maybe, Alberto, if you could comment?
Alberto Espay
attendeeYes. No, I would agree with what you've said. The phenotype of essential tremor is diverse. So there will be differences in individuals. And that, I think, is an additional advantage of this particular design where there is a central limitation for the 2 studies. So all these variables that we think may be relevant but don't know exactly how will be equally distributed among the studies and between the placebo and the intervention. So I'd be curious to know if there will be a biological difference according to what the clinical changes may be. We don't know the answer to that now. Be lovely to have some biospecimen data saved in this study that one could then get back to because it would be lovely to find out if there might be, in fact, something relevant at a biological level from a clinical difference. At this point, we don't know what the difference is between patients who have or don't have intention tremor in terms of their ability to respond to a calcium channel blocker like this. So I think it's a great question, but it will require more data for us to answer it definitively.
Marcio Souza
executiveAnd maybe just to finish on that, the power impact was the biggest issue in Essential1, not the effects. When you remove the groups with intention tremor, the drug is actually numerically better than the ones with or without [indiscernible]. So we actually [ kind of ] win on that group as well. But because the effect is different on that group, it diluted the overall effects. So we'll take care of that as we did by just increasing the sample size.
Rich Able
executiveLaura?
Laura Chico
analystLaura Chico from Wedbush Securities. I guess I'd like to direct this to both Praxis and Dr. Espay. For Praxis, can you just remind me, in Essential1 were assessments made at home? And then just curious what data you have, and Dr. Espay in your experience, how does home assessment of tremor vary from -- in a clinical site?
Alberto Espay
attendeeYes, great question. It's it is well known that there is variability in the tremor severity and amplitude. And in fact, individuals could come to us at their best of times. It's actually fascinating when they come to us and tell us, "Well, this is not how I'm typically." And so they show and they saw a little bit and say, "I'm feeling better today." It's clear that what we capture at the clinic is never as accurate a representation of what happens at the home setting. It really is not just an artifact of just essential tremor. It appears to be very common patients with Parkinson's disease in the same condition. Patients come to us and they show their best selves. So the home-based assessment will likely be more accurate reflection of what these patients' day-to-day life looks like, and particularly what that tremor might be expressing as. It is still not quite as perfect, the perfection will be if you have some kind of a quantitative measurement across a time span, but the FDA is not yet approving that idea of measurement. So we still are at the mercy of a snapshot in time. And that snapshot in time is best illustrated by the mADL11. But if we could, in the future, I would imagine that there will be more wearable technologies that allow us to then capture that in the ecologically valid environment, which is what the home is. But having anything in the home is going to be probably better anyhow than anything at the office. So I think that will likely increase the validity of the results at a population level.
Marcio Souza
executiveAnd maybe the first question are there, in Essential1 and any other time, right? That the [indiscernible] was collected, the question is actually during the last 7 days. And maybe there has been a little bit of a confusion that all the physician is doing is asking during the last 7 days, how was each one of those items. So the assessment is identical. There's going to be physician in front of the patient and he is going to be delivering exactly the same questions, asking exactly the same way that is in the clinic for the primary endpoints. I think the one bias you remove from that is that as Alex mentioned, anxiety does fluctuate on those patients, and we know that it's exacerbated when they come to the clinic. So we're going to be a lot more drug effects than confounded drug effects when looking to the house. But I want to bring forth something I said before, we did this for the randomized withdrawal. We had a group of patients coming to the clinic and a group of patients not coming to the clinic. And there is no difference on the quality of the assessment, on the trajectory of the assessment on how it gets reproduced. It's just far better for the patients to have a physician in front of them but being flexible on the visits. And that's why we're going for this approach.
Ami Fadia
analystI'm Ami Fadia from Needham. Two questions from me. Firstly, just within the Phase III study, what percent of patients are going to have essential tremor? Are you limiting that percentage there? And also, was there any discussion with the FDA to have some sort of a prespecified subset analysis where you exclude that patient population, should you see something surprising in that study? And then I have one more.
Marcio Souza
executiveYes. So the answer to the second part is actually very straight forward, it's yes, and that's going to be very clear on the statistical analysis plan and how we're going to be positioning. I think there is an understanding -- a joint understanding between us that it's worth looking into that population. In case the hypothesis we have right now there was imbalance, tends to be a little bit more physiological than imbalance, does not look to be a physiological problem or a pathological problem. It's more imbalance. But if it is, would we have the ability to actually have prespecified that population without, and we will have enough patients because of the size of the trial to do so. In terms of the size or the proportion of that population, we believe it's going to be less than 25% of the patients that have concomitant intention tremor with essential tremor, right? Not -- intention tremor is more prevalent than that in other conditions, but not primarily at ET that -- that's why we are recruiting. We're not recruiting IT patients with some ET manifestations, the other way around. They have to have 3 years, very clear essential tremor and might have certain manifestations of intention tremor.
Ami Fadia
analystOkay. Great. And then just one other question. Just -- I wanted to understand, I'm getting a little bit more confused about how you're going to drive sort of consistency and evaluation in the Phase III. Can you sort of talk about the number of investigators that you're planning in Phase III as opposed to the Essential1 study? Is it going to be fewer or similar? And how will you ensure consistency relative to Essential1. Is it training? Is it some sort of a centralized oversight? If you could explain that a little bit more, that will be great.
Marcio Souza
executiveIt's all of the above. It's about the same size of the number of investigators right now, but their general availability is much bigger. And what I mean by that is if you go to any movement center here, in the city, and you ask, what is your load of patients right now. Maybe I can even ask that to Espay. Maybe you should ask like what is your relative load of essential tremor versus other patients in your practice?
Alberto Espay
attendeeIt's very large. This is a very large population. Now it's interesting to note this idea of getting out -- it's slightly different to your question, but it's getting out in the community is important because some patients end up not coming to us as often because they know they don't have much that we can offer them. So in some regards, there may be some nihilism on the part of patients recognizing they can come and they get the same standard approach, but they've already often been in propranolol, they've often been on primidone, they might be on topiramate. Those are the 3 top line agents, and none of them are really that effective, unfortunately. So you end up having them on cocktail therapies that we have difficulty moving up precisely because there is toxicity that limits any potential additional benefits that they could get into. But the experience in terms of essential tremor by any movement disorder center is very high because it's one of the most common movement disorders that we see. So we all have lots of patients. As I mentioned, I think the issue with an in-clinic recruitment might be that there aren't as many people coming regularly. They might come every 2 or 3 years to see what's new. And we have forever, told them not really much of anything. So there is 0 availability of any essential tremor therapies. We don't have any. All of the essential tremor therapies we use have been designed for other disease entities, hypertension, epilepsy and found to be serendipitously good in some level in patients with essential tremor. That's sort of how we have therapies for this condition kind of by accident in many ways. This is exciting because it's, of course, the first ET-specific therapy designed by a mechanism that's recognized to drive the oscillatory behaviors of essential tremor. So this would be the first time that we will ever have something that actually has been designed for essential tremor of value. But the point that you're trying to make, though, is whether or not there would be a number of additional -- so you'll have enough -- there will be a lot of the recruitment sites coming into the fore. But the source of error that's introduced by -- for instance, in my center, I have other colleagues that would rate the scales, that will be minimized. And so that source of error will be minimized. You can have the same number of investigators, but there are going to be fewer errors that are related to the way we would be sort of scoring each of the elements of the mADL11.
Kambiz Yazdi
analystKambiz Yazdi, Jefferies. Can you remind us the nuance between diagnosing ET patients with or without the intention tremor how you'll be doing that in the current study design? And then how will your innovative Phase III study design also affect the cost of the study?
Alberto Espay
attendeeWell, so it's a good question. We are going to have a way of cap the number of people who have intention tremor. But the point you're making is an important one in terms of the overall diagnosis of essential tremor. We do not necessarily exclude or include anyone with a postural action tremor in the hands, which is the main criteria, you must have to make the diagnosis on the basis of whether the intention tremor is present or not. So we, as far as diagnosis is concerned, are agnostic as to whether intention tremor is or isn't part of essential tremor. Essential tremor is in many ways, a diagnosis that we make when we ruled out other tremor disorders. We say it is not Parkinsonian tremor, it is not cerebellar tremor, it's not cerebellar outflow tremor, it is not MS tremor, it must be essential. Imperfect by all measures. So the fact that there is a mechanism that drives the excitability of neurons that are related to oscillator activity might make that point mute, and I'm glad to know that there is an effect, in fact, not just on postural tremor without the intention component, but in fact, in postural tremor plus the intention tremor component. So I'm not sure that there is necessarily something we could today tell that distinguishes these 2 groups. But it's nice to know that there will be just by virtue of the idea of getting a therapy out there. Part of the derisking just simply means to try to make the intention tremor patients or patients with essential tremor that have an intention tremor component, a little less so that then we maximize the population where the effect size was the greatest. I think that's sort of the idea behind it. In some level, it's very hard. The community of neurologists still struggles a little bit as to what exactly qualifies as intention tremor, right? Because intention tremor is defined as a magnification of tremor as the finger gets to a target. So you're doing this and if you have a little bit of a more magnification, that's intention, well, when is that threshold where you're going from this, I didn't see it, to this. I think I saw it, right? That's kind of hard. It's in the eye of the beholder in many ways. We are not doing anything particularly quantitative that allows us to determine here it is, what you have versus here it is where you don't have intention tremor. So it's a bit of more of an art than a science in this regard.
Marcio Souza
executiveSo operationally, maybe to finish the question then to address the cost question as well, Kambiz. So we are taking a 2-tier approach to minimize exactly this variability excess in the fields. So the first assessment by the investigator and then a confirmation by a panel because then that is the discussion exactly as Dr. Espay just said, would this like level of [indiscernible] we might not clearly define, impacts the collection of the endpoints, impacts the manifestation of the disease. And that panel is completely of movement disorder like experts. So we did a 2-tier approach exactly to minimize any bias in that regard. And on the cost question, the study. We mentioned this before, right? We were aiming for the study to cost south of $30 million. They included originally the 2 Phase IIIs and a long-term safety study, as you might recall, still does. I think the beauty of how we redesigned the operation is a lot of the patients that would have to go straight into the LTSS, into the long-term safety study, participate on the blinded studies. So we're not adding any cost for the blinded studies. We're keeping them on drug and following and then switching to. So we're keeping the cost, increasing the size of the study, I think that is a benchmark to be followed out there.
Rich Able
executiveWe'll take a final question here.
Joon Lee
analystJoon Lee from Truist Securities. I just want to clarify, given that you will be enrolling patients with intention tremor, you will be screening out Parkinson's patients right? And then that you won't have anyone on Parkinson's medication?
Alberto Espay
attendeeCorrect.
Marcio Souza
executiveNo Parkinson patients, no clear dystonic patients, no other unknown CNS conditions that would potentially cause tremors and we're screening other medications as well.
Rich Able
executiveWe reach time. Dr. Espay, thank you. Marcio, Alex, appreciate it. And we appreciate all of your questions. We'll be moving on.
Marcio Souza
executiveYes. We have a 15-minute intermission. If this was a concert, it would be an intermission, I think it's just a break. So we'll come back in 15 minutes. Thank you so much. Thank you. [Break]
Marcio Souza
executiveAll right. Getting back here. So I appreciate all the conversations during the break as well. So we're going to focus on the next part of this today's discussion on epilepsy. So to start that, I'll ask our Co-Founder and Chief Scientific Officer, Steve Petrou, to come and discuss a little bit the approach. I think some of you asked both in the Q&A in the question that we were having here in the break, how, right? How do you get to that? How do you get to like great results with 222 that some of the questions, and I think Steve is going to be able to give a little glimpse of how we operate and why we are there. Steven?
Steven Petrou
executiveThank, Marcio. So as we saw today, saw an account of how we drive our Phase III programs forward and the thinking that goes into that. What I want to really talk about now is a little bit behind the scenes, some of the thinking that happens prior to getting to this point and how -- and that thinking well we sort of focused on the epilepsy programs, but it's the same concepts that we use that have driven our movement disorders program, the thinking that we do when we think about life cycle management and everything else associated with these programs. That's me. Marcio mentioned these pillars before and what I want to do is really talk about how they are embodied in our particular programs that I'm going to talk about today, which is going to focus on 222 and the 628 focal epilepsy program. But again, many of the things I say about that is applicable to the entire portfolio within the company. So we started in genetics. Praxis got started following a major genetics hurdle that was passed in epilepsy, and that was the Epi4K program, and that gave us unequivocal evidence for the first time around the genetics around sporadic epilepsies. That was a key event in the company. And at that time, we understood that genetics is short. It's going to be first monogenic disorders by definition, it's going to be important. But for more complex disorders we also understand that mendelian genes are very, very relevant. The more you dig in this space, the more relevance you see an overlap between the rare and the common. Translation, really big part about the way we think about moving programs forward to practice. How -- what tools do we deploy? How do we bridge from preclinical to clinical? Are there hybrids in that path going forward, whether we measure a fluid biomarker or a clinical biomarker, an electrical biomarker, a kinetic biomarker. How do we use those? How do we combine them? How do we best inform decision-making for our programs. And I'll give you an example of that. We heard beautifully from Alex this morning around efficiency and rigor. We saw innovation in the way we pivoted in a 6, 7-month period to a decentralized trial system, a very interesting single recruitment, but 2 very different arm trials there in the Phase III. And you may have reinforced what Alex said, around the way the teams and the way of working at Praxis with our agile framework, our drive -- our relentless drive to deliver for our patients. And the patient guided is a really important part of Praxis. But it's, of course, the genetics, understanding the clinical needs. But we also get -- try to understand the urgency and appreciate that and take that on board. When you talk to patients, you talk to patient groups, urgency is a big part. They want good medicines, and they want them now. And then we understand that, and we want to know how do we apply that? How do we infect the teams with that same desire to work for our patients. I'm going to exemplify it with these 2 programs. Both one from the Solidus platform around our ASOs and the other from our Cerebrum platform for small molecules. It's relatively straightforward with a rare genetic disorder that's due to a known genetic cause, and that cause could be a gain of function or loss of function. Generally speaking, antisense-oligos are very well positioned to be able to either reduce or enhance expression. And I'll give you an example of that. We saw beautifully this morning from the news that Marcio shared around 222. I'll give a little bit of behind the scenes on that one. And then I'll talk about our focal epilepsy program, not in particular. The details, Karl Hansen will share that. But I'll talk a little bit about the driving behind that, how do we get to where we are today, how do the way that we work, the way that we think, the way that we use our pillars to move these programs forward. So from the ASO platform, really designed around this concept of antisense-oligo intervention in the rare diseases, the rare. And the first thing I want to mention is that we always talk about individual gene families. And there's 2,000 patients here or 3,000 patients there. But when you look at the collective burden of epilepsy and developmental impairment, 1 in 340 children under the age of 16 will be impacted. That's massive. That's massive for a devastating disorder. These aren't mild. These are kids that require constant care, they impact a huge cohort of people of parents and other carriers around them that are impacted by this. And it's a really sobering statistic to know by the end of today's session at noon, 15 kids would have been born with one of these conditions. And by the end of the day, it will be 30 kids who would have been born with the development of an epileptic encephalopathy, massive numbers, huge clinical need. And a lot of those, of course, are driven by de novo mutation. But we also know that there's a lot of familial epilepsy in the adult world and even sometimes in these rare cases. Collectively, there have been about 900 genes that have been implicated now in the epilepsies. It's been a success story of neurology, I think, in really getting to the genetic underpinnings that started with the twins, William Lenox in the [ '50s ]. We saw the era of -- a lot of impact of Australian scientist [indiscernible] that really held in the new era of genetics, and that mantle now has been spread across the world, and there are genetic discoveries. And now it's the time to do something about it. We've got incredible knowledge. I think, the opportunity now is how do we use that knowledge and actually have impact. So -- and as I said, the patient -- the care, the societal burden is immense. And I think the motivation and the reason we do it is very, very clear. So for ASOs and why the ASO program is well suited to these rare cases is because ASOs have got various modalities. You can use an ASO to reduce expression. And you can also ASO in many different ways to try and increase the expression of the gene. So once you've got your genetic ascertainment done, once you've done whatever modeling you need to do to understand the precise mechanism of that mutation, it's a relatively straightforward fact that okay, we need to look at how we can increase the expression or how we can selectively decrease. So we think about a broad reduction of wild-type and mutant allele. Do we think about an allele-specific? How do we think about this? And I'll give a couple of examples of that, right now. So we heard about PRAX-222, and we've heard about how 5 patients are now being dosed. And that was, of course, an idea that started in 2017 or 2016. When we first started, we still realized at that point about 2A mutations being causative. It was one of the -- after Dravet syndrome, it was one of the early genes that we started to get that understanding on. And then we understood there was a way to intervene. This is a proof-of-concept study, essentially injecting a mouse-specific SCN2A into a mouse model harboring a human mutation. And what you can see very clearly is that more ASO on board, you get a beautiful dose-dependent increase in survival. These mice, untreated, die about 25 days. And you can see on that survival curve with a single dose or with subsequent redosing, we can extend that out. And long as the ASO is there at a certain level and we're getting a certain level of knockdown in the rodents, that will live forever until a normal lifespan of this rodent. And it wasn't just in that domain that we saw improvement. We looked at neuronal excitability by doing measurements of single neurons, if we looked at the seizure phenotype in those animals, if we looked at just their normal behavioral paradigms on the motor level on the psychosocial level and the cognitive function indistinguishable from control. So it was a complete success story in curing these mice. We started the treatment at day 1 of birth. Even in mice where we started later, we saw some benefit. But it's this sort of proof-of-concept study that started some time ago that led to where we are today with the program of understanding how to find the patients, how to ensure that it's the right patients. We developed a bunch of methods along the way that are part of the Praxis suite, dynamic clamp for assessing unequivocally gain of function, was another innovation that we did. That's all behind the scenes that you don't hear about, but it gave us a certainty to find patients, to understand the association [ towards the ] genetics, the functional readouts and the clinical presentation. On the right panel, talking about a future program that we've slowly entered into this space, it's going to be something that's ready to go when the time is right for Praxis. But what it is, it's another rare disease called PCDH19, which is protocadherin, girls clustering epilepsy, X-linked disorder that affects females. It's a developmental epileptic encephalopathy, but it also affects Mosaic males. And what do I mean by mosaic? There are certain males out there that express -- that have some difference in the expression on their X chromosome. I mean, in this case, because of when the mutation appeared during their gestation, if it's very early and if it comes in the sperm or the egg early or if it happens late, you can get a different level of homogeneity within the brain. Now what we do know it's a disease of mosaic expression in the females because it's X-linked, X you get random inactivation. Some cells express the wild type, some cells express the mutant. And when that happens, you get the disorder. But we also know that there are male carriers out there that are now. So they've got a mutation that gives them no functional PCDH19. They've only got one X chromosome, so they don't express anything, and they're fine. So not having PCDH19 is a far better situation than having a co-expression of wild type and mutant. So -- and using that genetic information, using that clinical knowledge, our program is designed to ablate PCDH19 in these females. So to that end, what you can see here is a -- from a couple of model systems that we've run, we're screening different ASOs for human application. You can see here a very potent ASO that completely brings down expression of RNA to zero, which is the approach that we're going to need. As I said, it's poised to move forward when the time is right for Praxis. And these are the sorts of things that will underlie the long-term strategy around our Solidus platform. Now moving to our small molecule platform, what I wanted to share today -- it's a little bit about how we got to where we were with 628, but also the lessons in that are relevant to everything that we do at Praxis. Now we do this because we're very aware of where we currently are with antiepileptic drugs. This is the list of some of the more highly administered ASMs on the market. As you can see, for all the approved drugs, and cenobamate was one of the most recently approved, they were all developed, envisaged and discovered prior to the precision genetics era in epilepsy. And that era really started around 2015 or '16. And they didn't benefit from the knowledge that gave us about the security around genetics, around details of pathomechanisms that are critical to the evolution of the phenotype in patients. And because of that, there are limitations that many of these drugs share. One of the most telling is complex titration schemes, where you can't just take the drug at the full dose on day 1. You have to start at a lower dose, where there's not going to be efficacy, and then slowly ramp up. That's a real pain for physicians and patients alike and in complying and starting that routine and ensuring that people don't make -- have a misstep in that, on-target and off-target side effects, efficacy. And there's this sort of fight between efficacy and tolerability that I'll talk about that was really first raised by our KOL, who's with us today, Jacquie French. She showed this slide or a version of this last year and asked the question, can better side effect profile lead to better efficacy? And if you dig down in that, what you can see here, if you look at the fact that almost with no medic -- there's no epilepsy medication where all patients are seizure free, we get some benefit in some of the patients. And what happens, of course, is as you try to dose escalate, you hit a tolerability threshold. Can't give -- even though we know -- we know more so you give enough [ sodium ] channel blockers to a person, you will stop seizures because, you're not going to fire an action potential if you block them all. But of course, that's not compatible with life. And there is now tension between while increasing the dose to trying stop the seizures, but then starting to hit all the cognitive and all the other significant safety issues that happen. So why can't we go here was the challenge. What would it take to get "Hey, where we can fully explore the dose range and access and treat all the patients and achieve seizure freedom?" What would it take for a drug to be able to do this, given that most of the effective epilepsy drugs are also acting on targets that we know you cannot fully engage? So in doing that, this is the way we thought about at Praxis, what's the unit of function in a neuron where seizure drugs act, what's the neuron? And this is how we characterize the neuron. We stimulate it on the horizontal axis, we see the response on the vertical axis. It's called an input-output curve. And this is the input-output curve of a healthy neuron. Generally, this S-shape, it stimulates it, and it gets to a maximum level. Now if you look at a neuron from a patient with epilepsy, you see this movement of the maximum activity of that neuron into this danger zone or the epileptic range. And when individual neurons are doing this, they're firing at rates that are likely to cause impairment of the networks that they're residing in, and those networks then spread and have -- and cause the seizures that we're all too familiar about. Epilepsy is a disease of networks, driven by the aberrant firing of neurons. So of course, what do you want to do? If you want to treat this or you give a drug that pulls it out of that danger zone? This is what most drugs do. When they do it, in order to avoid going into those high firing domains, in that red zone, they pull the neurons activity down across the range. And it's that effect of pulling activity not only to avoid the epilepsy, but you're also avoiding normal function by having that gap between the blue and the brown curves. That's where your cognitive impairment. That's where your vigilant state, that's where your memory impairment, that's where all the impairments and toxicities, significant toxicities, emerge. Now what if you could make a drug that looked like the green one, that it's specifically biased towards the hyperexcitability and the disease pathology, but it spares normal activity? And the only way you can do that is by trying to exploit binding sites that emerge more frequently during pathological firing. And this is the way we thought about it at Praxis. I'm showing an example here for a sodium channel, but the same type of thinking can drive the way we would think about a T-type calcium channel. That discussion came up earlier this morning with Marcio, how do you engage there without having -- how do you dose in a way that you really impact the pathology? And we know the oscillations that Dr. Espay and others were talking about are important for normal brain function, but they can be hijacked for pathology. How do you draw a line between those two things? Well, protein's channels, they're very highly mobile, they move. And when they do move, they expose different parts of themselves. And those different parts of themselves they expose are places where drugs can interact. So when we think about for our sodium channel program here, at the top, that A, B, I'm showing pathological functions or functions that are more prevalent during pathology, persistent current is something that happens more frequently in pathology and epilepsy. Voltage-dependent currents activity drives changes in the channels that produces new binding sites, can you impair that function? But at the same time, can you spare the normal function, which is the red curve? And what you can see here is the profile of 628 on those key biophysical parameters. Here, we can spare the red curve because there's about 2 orders of magnitude over a 100-fold difference between the potency on the things that you want to impact and not the potency on the thing you don't want to impact. We also understand that the way that the channel -- the drug interacts with the channel, the speed with which it attaches and the speed with which it detaches from the channel or whatever protein target, it's critical in meeting the demand and be able to monitor and track activity in the appropriate way. This also -- this profile of a very fast [ binding ] you can see here, 100-fold faster than any other sodium channel-based antiseizure medication that's on the market, PRAX-628. And it's also unbinds slower than all of them. When you do that, you get a very potent molecule. We know potency, this type of profile is great for limiting toxicity by being potent. We also know, by coming off slow -- unbinding slow that the molecule lingers enough to have the impact you want. So collectively, this type of profile that differentiates from the other drugs, but it also lands itself to the sort of profile we were talking about how do we meet the challenge that Jacquie French put before us around getting more efficacy on the table. Well, this is going to favor pathology. Now one of the next steps that we've taken is the last couple of slides. We want to translate those findings. So what models do we use to assess whether this drug is doing what we'd like it to do, in the ultimate, in a patient? What we do know is maximum electric shock, or MES, which is a really well-established model of electrically stimulating the brain and causing seizures, drugs that work in that particular model work in focal onset seizures, and there's been hundreds of studies that have shown a very strong correlation. But something that was less apparent and really only emerged as the teams at Praxis dug a little deeper that if you look at the exposure ranges that we used, that were seen in the rodents, and you can relate those to exposure ranges that are seen in people by just accounting for a bit of plasma binding, maybe accounting for some differences in the pharmacology; when you do that, what we found was that these exposure ranges overweighed precisely on the clinical use of these molecules. So that's a really remarkable finding because we say, "Okay, every single time we look," whether it's a sodium channel or a potassium channel, it didn't matter, "we saw this [ correspondence ]." So the MES model is a great predictor of whether it's going to work, and it's a great predictor of the dose ranges. Now by being locked in that way, we can also compare drugs across that particular index of dosing. And Karl will show some great data on that later, following me. And it all comes down to this, so what's the next step? Well, we talked about how we use translation. Here, we're combining this MES model with our human safety studies to understand well, what are we seeing in our Phase I study with -- in our SAD and MAD studies as we dose these patients? Are we seeing any AEs or SAEs that are going to have an impact on dosing? We know on the left, these are fully from clinical studies. We know the [ exposure ] ranges, the typical antiseizure medications. We also know that as you dose higher, you hit a tolerability window, as I showed in the first slide. And you can see that depicted on this scale. But what we also know on the right is what a profile would be of a great drug, a drug that can span the entire efficacy range and can do that before it runs into tolerability [ stake ], significant safety concerns, so we can do that. That therapeutic window is a key to being able to translate. So we think this is a great tool. Of course, there is no -- the ultimate is the drug in a patient. But when you look at the historical precedence of existing drugs and you look at the profile that you could get with a drug like this, we think we're well positioned to be able to move this program forward with the highest probability of successes we can achieve. As I said, I'd love to call Karl to the stage to tell us where we are with the actual data on some of these programs. Over to you, Karl.
Karl Hansen
executiveEverybody hear me? So my name is Karl Hansen, and I'm the Chief Technical Operations Officer here at Praxis. And I'm also the program leader for the PRAX-628 program. And I have the pleasure of sharing the Phase I results in the context of what we believe the precision profile of 628 is going to be able to deliver when we move the product into efficacy trials. So it's been a great year. We've done a lot of exploration in the clinic in our Phase I study. But before I get into that, what I want to do is go back to what Steve mentioned at the beginning of his talk, when he was talking about our -- the development of 628. And the fact that even though there are a number of antiseizure medications end use, they all have serious and significant limitations. Basically, what this boils down to is trading off tolerability for efficacy. And all antiseizure medications can never really reach the efficacy potential that patients and physicians need. Now impacting any one of these issues would be a huge benefit for a single medication. What we observed in the [ 101 ] study, what we were hoping to see was that the precision profile, based upon the design principles that Steve laid out and that we put to practice in the labs, was really going to manifest itself into unveiling the ability to actually potentially impact all of these aspects. And so what I'm going to walk you through is the Phase I data in that context. And what I'm going to talk about is -- I'll show you is that we've revealed a very tolerable safety profile for 628. The drug reaches the brain, it rapidly achieves therapeutic concentrations, and it covers those concentrations at much higher levels for longer periods of time. And we think all of this adds up for 628 to provide the potential to show maximum efficacy as we move the program forward. And the way I'm going to do this, as Steve alluded to, is go back to the MES. So the MES, as Steve pointed out, predicts things that work in the MES work well in focal epilepsy. And the other point he made was that the concentration of the amount of MES you can get on board with a drug also correlates to efficacy. And the two examples I show you here of cenobamate, approved drug; and 1101, a drug in development, kind of illustrate that point. These two compounds have had some of the best efficacy results in Phase II and Phase III studies. And it's also true that as you push up MES levels for them, do titration up of the drug, you get better seizure reduction. However, both of these compounds just reach a hard cap, where they hit a threshold of tolerability and toxicity and they can't really push the drug anymore. And this has been the case from virtually every antiseizure medication that's been brought into development. You've reached that limit, and you really can't explore more seizure reduction power. What we were really pleased to see when we ran the [ 101 ] study was that we were able to access vastly larger multiples of our MES level, over 15 fold over the course of the study, with no tolerability issues and no safety concerns during the study. This is a tremendously larger amount of antiseizure power that we have the ability to explore as we move the program forward. I want to talk a second, though, about the fact that another thing, important aspect that we confirmed in the Phase I study, and that's that 628 gets to the brain where it needs to act in order to stop seizures. And the way we did this was by examining its impact on EEG signals. So during the study, we, both the subjects on drug as well as on placebo, had EEG collected during the time course of the study. And what we saw using a composite analysis of that EEG data was a clear separation between patients -- I'm sorry, subjects who are on 628 as compared to the placebo subjects. Now, not only do we see this across all the doses, but we also saw at the lowest dose of 5 mgs within -- at the first time point that we examined, 2 hours. So what this basically shows is that 628 is rapidly getting in brain and all that antiseizure power that we're loading up in the blood has the ability to work where it needs to. So let's talk about [ Rapid ]. And Steve pointed out this fact that lack of tolerability from -- for antiseizure medications almost always leads to long and very challenging titration periods for patients. Cenobamate is the sort of poster child in this very powerful seizure reduction power. However, it takes about 10 weeks before you ever get to an efficacious concentration. So the first day, you're going to take -- start the treatment of cenobamate, you're going to have no time that you're actually protected from a seizure. Xenon 1101 has made a big improvement in the sense that you don't actually have to do a formal titration with that drug. However, it does have a feature where the concentration slowly goes up, they call it an auto titration feature, so you can get more tolerated to the drug. So on your first day, you might spend 20% of that at a threshold concentration that's going to give you seizure protection. What we saw in our 30 mg dose was that essentially, you're covered after the first hour, essentially the time it takes for you to take the pill, drink some water and have it head into your testing, you reach therapeutic levels based upon the MES, and they're sustained, and they're actually higher within one fold throughout the rest of the day. And that's going to happen throughout the regimen from there on out. But so one thing I want to leave you with, and I think we were talking about this yesterday with Dr. French, the limitations of antiseizure medications in terms of their ability to provide MES power has never really been explored. Like I said, cenobamate gets to about fivefold, no higher, in terms of safety, same thing with 1101 with it's 2.5-fold MES. What we observed in our 30 mg cohort, which was well tolerated and patients had no issues taking, was that we could actually keep patients at a level of MAS at sixfold, right, so higher than what's been explored with these 2 medication drug candidate as well as any others. That's at the threshold -- at the trough levels, with much more power throughout the day. So I think it bodes well for us to be able to actually really start to ask this question, how much more power can -- how much more seizure reduction can you get if you can just get to that point in the curve that Steve pointed out? So what I've walked you through is what we saw in this Phase I study was a very tolerable safety profile, continuous coverage at therapeutic levels, much higher therapeutic levels than has been seen before with other antiseizure medications. 628 is reaching the brain, and it's rapidly achieving therapeutic concentrations. So on the first day of dosing, you can expect to get protection from seizures. What this all sort of adds up is our ability to demonstrate maximum efficacy in the clinic as we move the program forward. And I think it's completely consistent with the precision profile that Steve outlined that we tried to design in the molecule from the get go. So what we're doing now in terms of 628 is we're actually running a Phase IIa study where we're exploring its effect in photosensitive patients, which have a photoparoxysmal response, or PPR. So photosensitivity -- photosensitive epilepsy patients basically have hyperexcitability that's stimulated by light. And you can actually bring them into the clinic. And you can, in a controlled fashion, elicit that hyperexcitability, measure its range in a safe and controlled fashion. So in this study, what we're going to do is treat -- give them a placebo, baseline the range over the course of a day and then give them study drug another day and then see the effect 628 has on their photosensitivity. And we'll also collect PK during this study, so we can relate the blood concentration to the effect that we see. So using this, we can basically get, one, some experience dosing 6 to 8 in patients, but also we can understand better the dosing that we need to take forward as we move into the later stages of development for 628. And so that PPR study, we will have results by the end of the year, and we're going to be getting our efficacy study, our Phase II study going in the first half of 2024. So I want to thank you for your time. I think with that, I'm going to turn it back over to Steve, who's going to lead our Q&A and our KOL discussion. Thanks.
Steven Petrou
executiveThanks, [ you all ] must stay on the stage. Jacquie French and Marcio Souza to join us on stage, and we can run a Q&A. Thanks.
Steven Petrou
executiveSo like last time, we'll do this either directly asking questions to Jacquie and the team, and we can take that from the audience and if there's any online questions as well.
Douglas Tsao
analystDoug Tsao, H.C. Wainwright. Starting with 222, when we look at the data, and congratulations, I mean, obviously very clinically meaningful responses; I'm just curious because it did seem that the patients had a better response in that first period after the first dose. And then you saw some diminishment over time, which I guess is a little opposite of what you expected because we would have thought that you would have seen accumulation, which would have driven improvement in the response. So I'm just curious in terms of your thinking as to what's going on. Obviously, you have an effect that is sufficient to move into Phase III. How do you think about sort of optimizing the effect and potentially pushing the benefit further? I mean, does it take -- require additional dosing for patients?
Marcio Souza
executiveI think the first question you had to ask when you look into this cohort, right, 5 patients now in total, is whether or not the patients are responding consistently. And we checked the box like big time, right? I'll actually challenge anyone to show any other cohorts like this that show consistency in all the patients. So let's start with that. . The second is whether or not there is some [ variability ] that just exist from dose to dose. 222 is slightly differently from other ASOs, don't have a very profound accumulation profile. So you take some of these channels from circulation, and I'm going to let Steve talk a little bit about what happens there. And it seems to have a very dramatic impact on the outcome, as you've seen there, right? I believe one point I didn't make on my remarks was when you look into the number of seizures at baseline and look into the number of seizures that would happen on the 3 months afterwards, the total number of seizure reduction was in excess of 600 seizures, right? And just let that sink in for a minute because there is a one last that's going to make the patient perish, right, unfortunately. 600 is a tremendous amount of seizures. So these patients were very severe at baseline. And because of that, there is some intrinsic variability. And therefore, the second measure the number of like seizure-free days become quite important as well here. So we don't see the manage. We see there are going to be a couple of ups and downs. The way to fix that, Doug, to your question, is increasing the cohort, right? We increase the cohort to increase the confidence, and then we get to real registration. We believe that this data set significantly accelerate our path to markets. That, at the end of the day, from a value creation perspective to patients, value creation to shareholders, that is very clear. [indiscernible] Dr. French.
Jacqueline French
attendeeI just want to say, number one, these seizures are extremely difficult to count because they're happening in flurries and clusters, and some of them are -- we even consider them uncountable seizure types. And number two, these subjects were of multiple ages. And so you're now looking at trying to reduce like a very difficult account of seizure in a child that's already had this disrupted protein for a very, very long period of time. So to me, the fact that you see a benefit is pretty incredible. One would presume that the earlier you can intervene, the better you're going to do. So I think that rather than saying, "Oh, can't you do better?" It's like "Hmm, this is pretty darn good." And probably going earlier and earlier in the course is how you do better as well.
Steven Petrou
executiveMaybe I'll just add from the perspective of what you might expect when you're equating an ASO to a sodium channel drug. We know with sodium channel medications, you don't occupy 20%, 30% of the channels when you're having efficacy, you're occupying a very small fraction of those. When you give an ASO, and these measurements will make 4 weeks post dose, we would have had our steady-state effect on the sodium channel expression. And if we're getting -- whether it's a 5%, 10%, 15% reduction, that would be very equivalent, maybe even stronger than what you can do when you give a broad sodium channel inhibitor across the range that works across every single sodium channel in the body. So I think it makes sense from that perspective, the timelines do make sense for efficacy.
Douglas Tsao
analystAnd just a quick follow-up me, whether the plan out stratifying [indiscernible].
Marcio Souza
executiveSo the question is whether or not for the Phase III, we intend to stratify by age, right? The vast majority of these patients by the very nature that they don't survive way beyond like the teenage years or so [ address ] like something, that is very tragic, and we should be very cognizant, are going to be skewed towards that earlier cohorts. . But then we should have sufficient patients that are like very young, and by very young, I mean 2 to 5, and then patients who are not, to some extent, to our balance. We don't believe as much that, that would be the biggest difference here in terms of anything else because the brain does not degenerate with this disease. And I think that's quite important. It's electric in -- like completely disregulated, right, in terms of the electric power, so we're not necessarily seeing. When you look into the preclinical studies that Steve showed, time of intervention did not change the outcome. So that's very encouraging. But obviously, we remain open to the -- what Dr. French said, just by logic, the earlier you interact, the more likely you're going to have better results.
Douglas Tsao
analystI mean I guess if I can, with a follow-up because I would think that even apart from the seizure reduction, right, the potential impact on developmental manifestations of the disease would be significant. And that, you would want to dose as young as possible. Do you have an idea of, given your program, how young you could go? What your hypothetical labeling would allow you to go into?
Marcio Souza
executiveYes. So right now, we can go up to 2, and that's how young those patients were. Now the early access was a newborn. So that is 0. I think we're going to have a good argument to continue to expand that, but this is up to the FDA and ourselves to discuss. So let's assume 2 for now. A lot of those patients, unfortunately, don't get diagnosed that early in life, either months but not necessarily 0, as the ultimate goal here to understand. But there is enough patients in the United States and elsewhere that are on that 2 years or about to be 2 years of age, that would be fairly easy to get a cohort field here for a clinical study. .
Joon Lee
analystJoon Lee from Truist Securities. I have a question for Dr. French. And another one for Steve. For Dr. French, is once a month intrathecal injection commercially viable? Or are you thinking of giving loading doses with maintenance -- less frequent maintenance dose? Just talk there.
Jacqueline French
attendeeSo I absolutely think that once-a-month intrathecal is viable, commercially. And you see now with the [ STOP ] program, families lining up to get that. And I think there is a certain -- first of all, I mean, again, you heard about this disease and how devastating it is, and the parents know that, and they will do anything in order to try and give them their child some hope of a better outcome. So I don't think that, that's a problem. The child themselves is not in a position to say no, unfortunately, in these cases. So really, you're talking about the parents. And it's going to get -- as these ASOs get more and more onto the market, which is going to happen, there is going to be better and better capability of administering it at infusion centers, spinal infusion centers, whatever. I think that like conscious sedation is going to -- even in adults because I've heard lots of people talk about ASO programs in adults. And I think that like -- I don't know how many of you in this room have had a colonoscopy, but like it's no big deal, right? You go in, you go to sleep for a second, you wake up, and it's all done. So I think that, that mechanism is going to improve as well. It is the future. And I think that -- and one other thing is that in a certain way in people with epilepsy, the idea of doing something once a month instead of having to take a pill once a day that you have to remember once a day has some actually pluses to it, particularly if you don't get the same side effects that you get from your daily pill. So yes.
Joon Lee
analystGreat. And for Steve, your functional screening platform is it's the platform. And your drugs stat can selectively suppress the persistent current that predisposed neurons for excitation while maintaining -- undisturbing the peak, the current is interesting. How are -- do you understand how it's doing it, your molecules are doing that?
Steven Petrou
executiveYes. I mean as I alluded to, sodium channels live in membranes, those membranes change their voltage. That voltage change causes a structural change in the protein. When that structural change occurs, it exposes different binding sites. So when you're in the persistent current mode in passing the current, you've got different binding sites available to you. When you're in a voltage and you're activated, you've got different binding sites. They have different affinities. So the ability for that particular drug, 628, to access that site is much higher than for its ability to access the site for peak current blockade.
Joon Lee
analystAre you now in position of developing second-gen drugs, based on the knowledge that you gain from 628?
Steven Petrou
executiveYes. The learnings we've got, the thought that went into this can be applied to second generation, to new drugs, life cycle management, all of that. And we're thinking deeply about that. And then when the time is right, we'll increase the level of activity in that area.
Marcio Souza
executiveWe cover this space from an IP perspective quite broadly at the points that we understood, like exactly what has to be done here. So on that regard, we do have a number of programs, like we're very serious about financial discipline, as you know. So we have a number of programs that are paused at the point that we can reinitiate very quickly. That could address other areas either for ourselves or partners, like is it a good target for pain? Is it a good target for a few other things that have not been explored before that we were not interested at this point in time that others might be?
Yasmeen Rahimi
analystYasmeen Rahimi, Piper Sandler. Given that the cohort size is small, we appreciate showing the one patient data, are you planning to share the individual data for that? And maybe also talk about the differences in age had an impact. What were the age groups across the -- [ 4 ] additional patients? And then, have you had any chance to interact with the FDA in order to get a feel for -- is this 5-patient data sufficient to move to a pivotal -- or could there be a surprise that you come back and maybe may have to treat a couple more patients to get the green line to move there at all?
Marcio Souza
executiveSo the majority of the patients in the cohort are younger than 5 on this. So it's a little bit biased towards that. But the very nature of the disease, as we explained before, we have not yet -- I think there was the second box there on my slides. That's our next step to interact with the agency about the results. We're just finalizing the collection for the cohort for those 4. The collection for efficacy is a few weeks after the dosing. So those -- but then, we have to get the data and make sure all the analyses are proper to go with the agency. I can tell you, we remain to be very, very confident, as I'm sitting here. And then one must examine precedents, right? And then when you examine a precedent, normally, the way the agents look into this, and by no means I am speaking for them, I'm just using the precedent that is whether or not is the effects real, is that an expected for the disease? And is there other aspects that we haven't discussed everything here today that would never happen, right, on this disease. And I can tell you that as we continue to collect data, there are aspects that never happen, right? It's like our patients who never had deliberate movements, having deliberate movements. Our patients who never had the ability to breast feed that would never have because they'll die for having that. Breast feeding in on the benefit/risk discussion, knowing a little bit about how the very dedicated servants we have at the FDA in the neuro division, think about this, I think they're going to be incredibly open to the discussion about the benefit/risk here. Can we guarantee? I think only God can do that, and we're definitely not in that position. I will be going to make sure to get the possible case that because it's real, right, it's not a fluke, absolutely; and that's coming up soon. That's why we're guiding for next year start of the pivotal study.
Steven Petrou
executiveI might just take this chance to ask Dr. French a question. So given your incredible experience with current medications and also your exposure to a lot of future medications, what's your thoughts on the current journey of a patient first presenting in clinic? How do they currently get treatment algorithm assigned to them? And what's the future of that, do you think? I mean, how are we at the optimal place? Is there a lot of room to grow? How do we use the drugs we've got best?
Jacqueline French
attendeeAll right. So going back to the person with focal epilepsy, I just completed a trial, well, not just, a few years ago; called the Human Epilepsy Project. And it was an observational study, where we were just looking at 500 patients, and they were recruited from around the United States, Australia, Europe, what drug were they placed on, what were their first few years of their disease like prospectively followed. And 2/3 of them were put on the drug [ Dugar ], which is levetiracetam. And why levetiracetam? For some of the reasons that you were talking about before because it can be started without titration, it doesn't have drug interactions, it's very easy to use, it's one dose, it starts working immediately, you can give it in the emergency room. Great. So because of that, it has been really taken up by neurologists everywhere, and 2/3 of people were started on levetiracetam. The interesting thing to us is that a year later, only 1/3 of the patients who had been started on it, were still on it. So it was a failed approach. And the other 1/3, approximately, were mostly put on lamotrigine. And lamotrigine is the opposite of levetiracetam, and that is, it takes a really long time to get up to a therapeutic dose. There's the potential for a serious adverse event. When you get up there for most people, it works because sodium channel blockade, I think, is the appropriate therapy for newly diagnosed patients, but most physicians were reluctant to use it from the get go because they're worried that seizures are going to happen during that period of titration. So if you took the best of lamotrigine and the best of levetiracetam, which potentially could be your drug, I'm saying, then I think that you would have a much more successful drug for the majority of that treatment-resistant population. And if you can imagine that person with newly diagnosed epilepsy and how long their life stays disrupted if they get on a medication, it doesn't work for them or they have side effects, now they have to stop driving again, put a new medication in place, maybe they have breakthrough seizures affecting their job, affecting their sense of confidence and everything else. So to my mind, getting it right the first time and getting something on board that then will be a successful strategy, it's enormously beneficial for our patients. And eventually, I think it will be seen that it is enormously beneficial for cost as well. One and done is going to be so much more successful than having to have multiple doctor visits, multiple different medications and so on. So I think that, that is the way we need to go.
Steven Petrou
executiveIt's a great lesson in understanding the patient journey, isn't it? And how important that is not just for the patient, but even for the treating physician in thinking about, well, if they understand that and they relate to that, you have a much better outcome all around.
Jacqueline French
attendeeYes. And I mean the doctor wants the patient to do well. We feel good -- sorry, we feel good when the patient comes back happy and says, "Everything is great." And the more times that happens, the happier we are, hopefully. So eventually. That is what needs to happen.
Unknown Analyst
analystAlong that line, Dr. French, when you use drugs like Keppra and things like that you just mentioned, what are the limiting aspects of those drugs that you want improved? I mean I think you mentioned something like sedation before. Do you think that's an aspect of an ASM drug or ASD drug?
Jacqueline French
attendeeASM. Thank you for using that. New terminology.
Unknown Analyst
analystRight. So do you think sedative aspect of the standard-of-care drugs could be improved with some of the drugs that you're seeking to develop that limit persistent current but do not impact on the peak current?
Jacqueline French
attendeeSo the problem with levetiracetam, which, of course, is not a sodium channel blocker, is why did people come off of -- why did 2/3 of people -- why was it a failure in 2/3 of people? In 1/3 of people, it was mood because levetiracetam is a real mood killer and -- irritability and mood. And in the other half, it was failure to control seizures. And it is -- when you see it, it is like remarkable, and I think this study really brought it home, is that there were people who got started on levetiracetam and the dose was increased and increased and increased, and it was like they were taking water. There was like no impact on seizures whatsoever. They then got switched over to a sodium channel blocker. And those same people, who maybe like now had an additional year of seizures that they didn't have to have, suddenly were seizure-free and remain seizure-free from that point on. So very, very sodium channel blocker sensitive. Some people absolutely respond to levetiracetam, but there is a chunk that gets left behind. And with newly diagnosed epilepsy, you want to make sure that the vast majority of those treatment-sensitive patients get their seizures under control as quickly as possible.
Steven Petrou
executiveTime for one more question. If there's none from the room, I might just ask one final one. We made some quite bold claims around MES in our story today. And I know you've been thinking about that model quite a lot. So what's your experience, what's your confidence in the deployment of that in these preclinical programs?
Jacqueline French
attendeeSo I'm a big believer in the maximal electroshock test, and so is everybody else until, interestingly enough, along came levetiracetam. And levetiracetam was not effective in maximal electroshock, and it got everybody very anxious, right? It got everybody very anxious that we are missing drugs that could potentially be effective. And there is no doubt that, that's the case. And the reason that we need better drugs that don't affect maximal electroshock is the 1/3 of people who don't respond to standard antiseizure medicines, right? Now, within that 1/3, you might say that there is -- and I completely believe the story, there are probably a big chunk of those patients who, if you could just increase the dose of the drug that works on the maximal electroshock, you could get them controlled. But there's probably a chunk in there also that don't respond to that mechanism of -- which we presume is just dampening down excitation, right? And they will need something else. And we need to keep going on that search for the something else. But for the vast majority of people, where just getting their excitation level down is going to solve them, what they need is a drug that's not going to give them sleepiness, difficulty concentrating, difficulty walking, blurred vision and all of the other things that go along with the non-precision of the other sodium channel blockers. So I think you could take care of a lot of people with a sodium channel blocker that doesn't have that side effect threshold. And then the others need something else, and we need to keep working on that.
Steven Petrou
executiveI guess in that mode, MES is a good predictor in those cases.
Jacqueline French
attendeeRight. It's an absolutely good predictor.
Steven Petrou
executiveWell, I think we're out of time on that. I might just hand it over to Marcio to close the session out today.
Marcio Souza
executiveThanks. I appreciate everyone coming here and -- on video as well on the webcast, it was very productive Always great to be in person. I hope you all agree with us on the tremendous growth in France, of the company. I can't say how excited we all are, and just heard Dr. French talk about the exceptional results we're showing today for our ASO program, many more to come. . With the incredible amount of interest we have on our Phase III program, I'll give you a little homework and compare with other enrollments for similar trials there in the space. That's my competitive edge like getting in on the closing here. There is several folds. One [ must ] ask why, and our deep understanding of this community, engagements and really focusing on the patients that get us there. It's not that we are magicians. We're just like hard-working people that try to understand the market to [ achieve ]. That's going to get us to enroll this trial gradually fast. And once again, no operational issues as we never had, but very clear results by the learnings we had and what we're going to be delivering for this community. So thanks again for being here. Have a little reception for the ones here afterwards and many more conversations to come. Thank you.
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