R Systems International Limited (RSYSTEMS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 24, 2021
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Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen. Good day, and welcome to R Systems Q2 FY 2021 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Kumar. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Kumar Gaurav
executiveThank you, Nirav. Good morning to all. I hope you and your loved ones are safe and in good health. On behalf of R Systems, I welcome all participants to quarter 2, 2021 earnings conference call. We have senior management of R Systems with us in this call. We will start the call with opening remarks on the performance of the company by Dr. Rekhi, followed by a financial overview by Mr. Nand and business overview by Mr. Avirag. Thereafter, we will have a closer statement by Dr. Rekhi, subsequently, we will open for a Q&A session. Before I hand over, let me read out the customary disclaimer statement on behalf of the company. The investors are cautioned that this presentation contains certain forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. The company undertakes no obligation publicly or update or revise any such statements. These statements may undertake revision because of new information, future event or otherwise. Actual results, performance, achievements could differ from those expressed or implied in such forward-looking statements. With this, I'm handing over to Dr. Rekhi for his opening comment. Thank you. Over to you, sir.
Satinder Rekhi
executiveThank you, Kumar. Good morning, everybody, and thank you for being part of this investor call. I trust all of you and your loved ones are keeping safe and keeping well. I urge all of you to get vaccinated at the earliest opportunity. We have also organized vaccination for our employees and their families. As on date, more than 65% of our employees have been vaccinated with the first dose, and this number will increase significantly in the quarter -- in this current quarter. The technology companies are continuing to be -- to get benefited by renewed focus towards adaptation of digital technologies post this pandemic. The businesses have accepted this new normal and have started exploring new products, business models to convert their challenges into opportunities. I'm extremely proud of R Systems team for their commitment and efficient working in these timings. With this, I would like to present an overview of R systems for the benefit of all those for joining us in the conference for the first time. R Systems was established in 1993, in California as a software engineering company, and is now spread across 3 continents with 18 development and service centers worldwide. R System delivers digital transformation services with new types of innovation and creativity to businesses in various industries, technology, telecom, digital and media, health care and life sciences, finance and insurance and retail and e-commerce. Our deep industry domain knowledge, combined with our expertise in big data, advanced analytics, AI, mobility, IoT, RPA and cloud have helped us in conformation of businesses in this digital age. We have concluded our quarter 2 for the financial year 2021 with a revenue of INR 274 crores, that is USD 37 million. The year-on-year growth was 30%. This growth has been outstanding on the back of new deal closures, deepened relationships with our existing customers and continued traction towards digital and technology services. The EBITDA for quarter 2, 2021 was 13.4% as against 11% same quarter last year and 12.5% in quarter 1 2021. The EBITDA has improved primarily on account of revenue growth. We have onboarded more than 225 associates to cater to the growing demand. The full impact of headcount addition will reflect in the coming quarters. However, quarter 2 utilization has been impacted by project ramp-ups and keeping some bandwidth to handle near-term attrition challenges. Profit after tax was INR 46.2 crores as against INR 16 crores same quarter last year and INR 24.9 crores in quarter 1 2021. The profit after tax has been benefited by inclusion of INR 22.3 crores under other income due to recognition of the stimulus given to us by the U.S. government. We have a strong balance sheet with shareholder funds of INR 469 crores and net cash balances of INR 320 crores to support liquidity and growth. The Board has approved a buyback of INR 30 crores plus expenses and taxes at a price of INR 2.25 to distribute surplus cash over and above the working capital and growth requirements. We served $33 million plus customers, including 5 customers contributing USD 3 million plus revenues. We have added 10 key customers during the quarter. I will now hand over to Nand Sardana, our CFO, to provide you a detailed financial analysis.
Nand Sardana
executiveThank you, Dr. Rekhi. Good morning to all. Thank you, everybody, for attending the call. I do hope that everybody is staying safe and in good health. So let me go into detail of each line item of profitability statement. Revenue for the quarter was INR 273.6 crores or $37.2 million, quarter-on-quarter increase of 10.5% at year-on-year increase of 30% in rupee terms. We experienced a robust revenue growth for our technology and digital services. We are quite optimistic for coming quarters and are strengthening our delivery team to cater to growth opportunities. There has been good growth from existing customers on the top of adding 10 key wins during the quarter, as Dr. Rekhi explained. Getting down to gross margin, it was 35.6% in this quarter compared to 34.7% in last quarter and 35.9% in same quarter last year. Increase of 90 basis points quarter-on-quarter is on account of higher billable days and rupee depreciation as offset by reduced utilization. Lesser utilization mainly due to ramp-up costs on new projects and strengthening of our delivery team. Getting down to SG&A expense line. SG&A expenses increased quarter-on-quarter by INR 5.7 crores it was INR 60.7 crores in this quarter compared to INR 55 crores last quarter. The increase is mainly due to addition of new sales and pre-sales staff, increased marketing spend and H1 vis à vis, which is due in this quarter. EBITDA in this quarter was INR 36.6 crores or $5 million compared to INR 30.9 crores or $4.23 million last quarter and INR 23.1 crores or $3.07 million in same quarter last year. As percentage of revenue, EBITDA was 13.4% in this quarter compared to 12.5% last quarter and 11% in same quarter last year. Revenue growth has led the margin improvement despite lower utilization to keep subsisted for growth opportunities. We are committed for further improving the early EBITDA numbers during half 2, 2021. Getting down to depreciation, the total expense was INR 6.3 crores compared to almost similar amount last quarter and INR 6.6 crores same quarter last year. Interest expense is INR 1.1 crore in this quarter compared to INR 1.3 crores last quarter. Interest expense is primarily due to adoption of Ind-AS 116, and we are nearly debt-free company. Other income in this quarter was positive INR 24.9 crores compared to INR 5.1 crore last quarter. Other income mainly consists of interest income and exchange gains. For this quarter, quarter 2, it was -- it also includes INR 22 crores as a result of forgiveness of loans received during the year 2020 and give us an under payroll protection program. Interest income for the quarter was INR 1.9 crores. The exchange income for the quarter is INR 1,900,000 compared to INR 2.6 crores last quarter. As at the end of quarter, we had total forward cover of $29.6 million with average rate of INR 76.69 and euro cover of EUR 2.2 million with average rate of INR 91.91. This has already been mark-to-market at closing rate of 30th June. Income tax was INR 7.9 crores in this quarter as against INR 3.6 crores last quarter. Our effective tax rate during this quarter is 14%, primarily due to U.S.A. stimulus recorded under other income, which is not subject to U.S.A. Federal Tax as offset by higher marginal tax rate in India entity after we have crossed the threshold. Net profit after tax was INR 46.2 crores or $6.28 million compared to INR 24.9 crores or $3.4 million last quarter. Resulting EPS for the quarter is INR 3.86. Moving now to asset side in the balance sheet, total receivable at the end of the quarter were INR 145.8 crores compared to INR 131.3 crores at the end of December quarter. The receivable in terms of DSO were 46 days as at the end of this quarter compared to 43 days as at end of December quarter. This is mainly due to timing reasons and our realization from the customer has been in line. Net cash balances were INR 320.3 crores at the end of this quarter compared to INR 303.1 crores at the end of December quarter. We have been constantly generating cash from the business. As Dr. Rekhi said, the Board has approved a buyback of INR 30 crores plus expenses and taxes to reward shareholders, which is likely to be completed in September quarter. R system shareholder funds were INR 468.6 crores at the end of the quarter compared to INR 426.8 crores at the end of December 2020 quarter. We have a strong balance sheet to support liquidity and growth. And with that, let me hand over to Aviragji for review of our operations. Avirag?
Avirag Jain
executiveThank you. Thank you, Nandji. Thank you everybody, for being on the call. I hope everybody is doing good. We continue to focus on digital technology and digital transformation. The strategy has helped us to get momentum. I'd like to give you a brief lever of our global operations. Digital transformation continues to be the focus for the key select vertical like technology, telecom, finance, insurance, health care, life science, retail and e-commerce. Our digital transformation offering includes cloud, analytics, machine learning, artificial intelligence, data and speech analytics, RPA, IoT sales force, and these continue to be the arrow head for our group. On the cloud side, we work on all the leading platforms such as Amazon, Microsoft Azure, Google. We are an advance partner with Amazon and gold partner with Sales Force, which is significant traction in this space. On analytics, we see high growth in ML and AI, data analytics and speech analytics. We are currently serving many key clients in this space. We had 10 key wins during this quarter that these of few wins are, 1 of the global market leads as engaged R Systems to enhance and develop their existing video solution in IPTV and OTT space. Another key there is U.S.-based leading online video platform has mandated R System to revamp their SaaS-based product on web, mobile, TV and Roku platforms. Another 1 is a U.S. leading provider of connective solution for enterprise customers at our industry has partnered with us to develop its IoT-based service and device platform for automation industry. Another 1 in Europe, a leader in electricity production in Eastern Europe has engaged R System as digital transformation partner to automate the onboarding process of household customers [Technical Difficulty] using AI analytics. Another 1 is a leading telecom, as we established partnerships to Europe to customize anything particular system... [Technical Difficulty]
Operator
operatorSorry to interrupt, we are losing your audio.
Avirag Jain
executiveHello?
Operator
operatorYes, sir, now it's better.
Avirag Jain
executiveOkay. In the Southeast Asia and Malaysian home living solutions provided was awarded R Systems APAC division to implement Microsoft Dynamics 365 Business Central solution to optimize its end-to-end retail business. In terms of headcount, we have added 225 technical headcounts in the quarter increased to INR 2,801 -- increased from INR 2,801 to INR 3,030. Utilization is decreased from 78.47% to 76.72% in the quarter, mainly due to ramp-up that we have done for this project. But particularly by geography, North America contributed 67.6%, Europe, 14.3%, Southeast Asia, 15.3% and rest of the world 2.8%. On client interest rate topline, client contributed 25.2% with the largest client, 7.2%. With this brief overview, I will hand you back to Dr. Rekhi. Over to you, sir. Dr. Rekhi, over to you. Hello, Dr. Rekhi, over to you.
Operator
operatorDr. Rekhi, your line is on mute. Yes.
Satinder Rekhi
executiveThank you, Avirag. As we discussed, we reported a promising revenue growth during half year 2021. And as we mentioned earlier, the health and safety of our employees is paramount to us, and we have organized vaccination for our employees and their families. This is necessary and important before moving to work from office or getting to the hybrid mode of working. We continue to invest in sales and in newer technologies, and this is helping us win large digital transformation projects. Further, we are confident of margin expansion in the half year 2, 2021, backed by strong sales funnel and efficient operations. Thank you, and we are ready to take questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Vicki Roy, an Individual Investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSo when I see the segmentation of revenue by industry type, I see that we are into technology, telecom, health, finance, insurance and others. Now tech being at -- hovering at around 50% to 60%. Can we get a further drill down under this tech, as in these technologies into electronics, semiconductors or software, et cetera? That would be my first question. The second question is -- so I have seen evolving R Systems having this product engineering DNA and now moving into digital first services. So do you see yourself becoming a key player in the ER&D space and foray into Transportation and Electronics segment. So that would be -- those are my 2 questions.
Satinder Rekhi
executiveThank you, Mr. Vicky. Yes, on the technology side, close to 50% of our revenue comes out of technology side and technology, we covered mostly the independent software vendors. Now -- we do not do a further bifurcation of that. But at a high level, I can tell you that among these ISVs, the telecom would be a big part of it. Then would be the health care, then would be the BFSI space, and when stretching a logistic in that order. So that's the broad bifurcation. Coming on to your question on, yes. You see, we, over the years, R System has brought into a digital transformation company. We have moved ourselves from a legacy product engineering company to more in the digital side. And as on that, 40% of our business comes out of digital technologies to include mobile, cloud, RPA and analytics and all kind of data engineering and all that. So see, I mean, we are close to on a run rate basis, $145 million, $150 million company. So we are not that big, but I think we compete with the biggies even Infosys, Mindtree and persistent of, kind of company. And we see that trend and we have won against them. So we see that we are a key player in this market and are ready to grow faster.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Next question is from the line of Praveen Kumar from Maitri Kirankumar Mehta.
Unknown Analyst
analystYes, congratulating on superlative performance. I was expecting a very high dividend because most of the companies have given higher dividends this year after the pandemic. And your earnings are good to give a higher dividend.
Satinder Rekhi
executiveGood question, Mr. Praveen. We have declared an interim dividend of 250%, which is INR 2.5 per share in just 2 months before. And we have already announced a buyback of close to INR 30 crores just -- and I think within a month or 1.5 months, I think that buyback should get to be completed. So I think it's a mix of dividend and buyback we have done.
Unknown Analyst
analystWhen can we expect the bonus here?
Satinder Rekhi
executiveYes, please go ahead.
Unknown Analyst
analystWhen can we expect the bonus shares?
Satinder Rekhi
executiveWell, bonus shares, yes, I think if we continue to perform well, if share price continues to perform good, I mean as of now, we have not considered that. But I think maybe when the right time comes, we will come to that.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Mr. Sameer Rathi, an Individual Investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeMr. Rekhi, congratulations on excellent set of numbers. Yes, in the last concall Mr. Rekhi, you had remarked that as a company, you are hungry for growth. Also, you had alluded to some organic and inorganic method for achieving this growth. Can you throw some more light on this inorganic growth prospect, number one? Number 2 is that you had remarked that presently, the way the things are, you can even double in next 3 years, and it should not be a surprise. Now 3 months down the line, where do you feel this optimism?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions]
Satinder Rekhi
executiveHello? You may go ahead. Have you done or do you have any other question?
Unknown Analyst
analystNo, these are the 2 questions which I have asked. These are the 2 questions.
Satinder Rekhi
executiveOkay, let me answer this. Yes, we are hungry for growth. If you see, last year, we did $119 million. And this year, in the first 6 months, we've already done $71 million. So normally, half 2 is better than half 1. So $70 million, $72 million is INR 142 million, another $3 million, $4 million kind of add. And if you see half 1 performance vis à vis last year, we have grown close to 25%. And this quarter, we have grown 30%. I mean if we are growing at 25% to 30%, doubling in 3 years is not a big deal. And we are definitely looking for this, and we are poised and the way the business is improving the way the deal pipeline, is the way U.S. and Canada, the RFPs and the deals are happening. I mean I don't see -- I mean, see doubling in 3 years is a possibility. Now coming on to inorganic growth. We are always look for an inorganic way, in any inorganic acquisition, we look for 2 things. One is good client addition and good talent addition. So in fact, at any point of time, we will be kind of working on 1 or 2 deals. But I tell you 1 thing. Over the last 1, 1.5 years, deals have become very expensive. I mean, 3 years before, people used to ask 1x revenue or 1.25x revenue. I mean, nowadays, it is 2, 2.5x and all that. See, we really don't want to kind of spend and take a very expensive acquisition. Being said that, we are in look for it. And in fact, we are working right now also on 1 or 2 deals, but I don't want to disclose more than that. So inorganic growth is in our plan and our cash situation permits that. We have close to INR 320 crores of cash. So at least INR 125 crores to INR 150 crores is kept as a cash to do an inorganic acquisition. So -- but we will not do a very expensive acquisition. We will do a reasonable acquisition. We are in look for some newer technology, sales force kind of a company, some company in Latin America, Eastern Europe, even in India also, but I think nothing is right as yet.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of T.N. Ramakrishna, an Individual Investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeI'm T.N. Ramakrishna from Bangalore, Karnataka. Sir, our company performance is reasonably okay. We also got some INR 2.5 dividend. But if we consider many other aspects of our companies working. Why our -- no mutual funds are holding any shares in our company, not a single mutual fund, insurance companies, FII's, DII's, which will give more comfort to the retail investors, and it will definitely take our shares to at least on par with the industry average PE of, I think, 35%. And we are lagging behind in many of these aspects. Second thing is that why we are not getting any communication from the company on the quarterly results, half yearly and the yearly results, any other milestones achieved in terms of acquisitions or bagging of new orders or anything. We are not getting communicated through e-mail. Third thing is that the floating stock is very, very less, and when a potential investor or existing investors want to add this company share, say, our company share, we get a message that R System International Limited is an illiquid share. This is what the message we get when we try to purchase through online platform. However, we won't address these many issues. And basically, we -- our company shares should have been at least INR 350 plus level. And we are though INR 225 buyback is announced. It is through open tender, while the management has not considered buying through market operations instead of open tendering, which is a really cumbersome process for any of the retail shareholders or non-promoter shareholders. These are some of the things and the concentration of our company share with promoters and 1 individual who is not a promoter. To the tune of, I don't know, exactly I don't know, I think around 85% is held through by the one individual investor and promoter group. This is a hindrance for floating stock because it's become illiquid stock. How are you going to address all these issues?
Satinder Rekhi
executiveMr. Ramakrishna, thanks for giving us a lot of food for thought. I think God was listening to maybe your questions. In last 1 month, I tell you why. In last 1 month, at least 8 or 9 FIIs have entered into R System stock, at least 8 or 9. So...
Unknown Attendee
attendeeBut it is not reflecting in the transaction of our price -- on higher price?
Satinder Rekhi
executiveI think all this has happened after June 30th. In fact, all this has happened post June 30th, probably you will see that in the next quarterly shareholding pattern. But I can tell you with confidence because I have seen these things, 8 or 9 financial -- foreign financial institution investors have joined the stock of the company, and we feel good about it. And 1 or 2 have talked to me as well, and they feel to be kind of good about it. So that is 1 thing I wanted to tell you.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSir, sorry to interrupt, but is it a token or a symbolic holding or some substantial chunk they are holding. I mean, that's what also matters. How much they are holding, FFI is a mutual funds and DII and FPI's, foreign portfolio investors how much they are holding? Okay, they may be holding 0.1% or 0.01%, 0.2% it will not make any difference. [Foreign Language]. But at least some 10%, 15% if they're holding. That makes a sense.
Satinder Rekhi
executiveSure, sure. I was just answering to you, please let me complete the answer. As I said, that this has happened after June 30th. So you will see that reported in next quarter. As of now, they're holding is less than 1%. So probably the name may not be disclosed. But as soon as, I think you will come to know in the next quarterly shareholding pattern. As of now, they're holding less than 1%. So you see what happens is that you are right that promoters hold around 50%, 51%, and there is an individual who hold around 35%. So between promoter and individual, the holding is -- it is something which I can't -- we can't do anything. But I think the individual who is holding share is a very savvy investor, and it shows the confidence and trust of that individual in R Systems. So regarding the increase in the floating stock and all that, this is something, as I said, we cannot do anything. But I think what we can do is that maybe in times to come, we can complete -- see our share is already INR 1 per share. So there is no scope of split of shares. And bonus share is something somebody just now advised also. This is something which we will consider and look at in the forthcoming board meeting. And second, your question on that -- the price of the share, you see the today price is close to INR 200 or so. I mean, the price has increased almost doubled in last, I would say, 8 to 9 months, but it has a fund with all the IT companies. Most of the IT companies stock has doubled or tripled in last 1 year. So is R System, and also it reflects on the performance of the company. Like last year, if you noticed, we did $119 million with $60 million EBITDA. Today, if you see, we have already done close to $10 million, $9.5 million, with $71 million revenue. So -- and we are a cash company, as you know, INR 320 crores is cash. Excluding cash, the valuation is not very expensive. But I think -- so the market has to reward us. So -- but I think as a management, we continue kind of focus on the business. And on your question of intimation, I think at the end of each quarter, we sent an e-mail to all the registered shareholders. So we keep -- we send that in all the quarters. I think you must have received it if you were holding the share, see our board meeting was on 6th of August, if you are holding share on that, you would have received that e-mail, but we keep on sending that. But I think I take your point how to create more visibility for R Systems and R System share. I think this is a good suggestion, and we will keep this in mind and try to see what within the legal parameters we can do. Good suggestion, Mr. Ramakrishna.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes, I got 1 thing, see today's price is INR 194.45 now, and their price is INR 196.70. Okay. Hello?
Satinder Rekhi
executiveYes, yes, yes.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeI'm holding 30,000 shares in my demat account, in my name, my pan number is ABVPR7320N, okay, it can be verified. I'm holding 30,000 shares, I don't think, I received any mail possible kind of in this.
Satinder Rekhi
executiveI will check. I will check, my e-mail address is in the presentation. If you need -- if you have seen the presentation, presentation is on the website of the stock exchange and on our website. My email address is there, if you could send me the detail of your pan and all that, I'll make sure that why you have not received it, and I'll make sure that you receive all the future communication.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. Yes, I will definitely send you the mail. And I got 1 more request, sir, since the companies in the CSR field also due to minimum expected profit per eligible for CSR. We are much, much, much above that threshold limit. We got an NGO to create awareness about the unsung heroes of our freedom movement, revolutionary freedom fighter and the promoters also hails from 1 of the major state of a revolutionary freedom fighter, Punjab. So we're doing many activities, can we get some support for our active financial support or financial participation for our activities, whom to contact in this matter?
Satinder Rekhi
executiveSo please send me the email, please send me a little bit more detail about it. See as a statutory, whatever 2% of net profit, whatever as such CSR, we do that. In fact, during this COVID period, we have contributed to PPE kit, medicines and all that, whatever best we could do, but we do not advertise too much. So if you send the details of your NGO or whatever best and we have a committee, CSR committee who looks into that various proposals. And if it counts to be eligible, we will definitely like to look at it.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. And also, we request on the occasion of this 75th year of -- 75th Independence Day to spend some money to create awareness about unsung heros and some memorials can be built within the parameters of the CSR. I kindly request you to consider this and our activities, I will definitely send you the mail. We do freedom fighter calendars, we do alphabet chart like A for Aurobindo Ghose, B for Bhagat Singh, C for Chandra Shekhar Azad, like that, and we distribute these to primary schools fee in both vernacular and English language. So many activities we are doing. I'll send you the detailed mail. I request to kindly consider it. Thank you. KPIT is 1 of the major IT companies, which have supported us in the past. Thank you very much. [Foreign Language].
Satinder Rekhi
executiveSure, Mr. Ramakrishna. [Foreign Language].
Unknown Attendee
attendeeThank you. [Foreign Language].
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions]
Satinder Rekhi
executiveIf there are no further questions, you may close.
Operator
operatorSir, we don't have any further questions, if you would to like to give any closing comments?
Kumar Gaurav
executiveDr. Rekhi?
Satinder Rekhi
executiveI want to thank everybody for joining this conference call and for their time as well as the good suggestions. We will deliberate on all the suggestions that have been made, and I thank you very much. And with this, we come to the end of this call.
Kumar Gaurav
executiveThank you, everyone.
Operator
operatorThank you very much. On behalf of R Systems, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.
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