Realty Income Corporation (O) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 25, 2025

New York Stock Exchange US Real Estate Retail REITs earnings 60 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Kelsey Mueller

executive
#1

This is the conference call about operating results for the fourth quarter and the full year of 2024. Sumit Roy, our President and Chief Officer, along with Jonathan Pong, our Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, will be going over what we found. On this call, we might make statements that count as forward-looking under federal securities law. What actually happens for the company down the road could end up differing significantly from whatever gets discussed in any of those forward-looking statements. You'll find a more detailed disclosure of the factors that could lead to such differences in the company's filing on Form 10-Ks. When we get to the Q&A part of the call, a two-question limit will be in effect. Should you wish to ask more questions, you can reenter the queue. At this point I'll hand things over to our CEO, Sumit Roy. Thanks, Kelsey.

Sumit Roy

executive
#2

Hello, and thanks to each of you for joining. During 2024, Realty Income delivered AFFO per share growth of 4.8%, which made it our fourteenth year in a row of growth. Paired with the 5.4% dividend yield our investors received, that produced a total operational return of 10.2% for the year. Across our thirty years as a public company, annual total operational return has come in at roughly 11% on average, and not once has a year shown a negative return, since we stay committed to providing steady, dependable returns to our shareholders. On today's call, we'll walk through three main themes that we see as defining our continued long-term success. The first is a demonstrated history of results and returns. The second is our assurance about continuing to generate growth in our core business as time goes on. And the third is the possibilities our platform offers for moving into new channels that create additional value for our shareholders. Turning to that first theme, our demonstrated history. What we achieved in 2024 speaks to the platform we've assembled. It's one that can perform across many different macroeconomic environments, highlighted by increases in AFFO per share in every year of our thirty-year history as a public company except one. All year long, we stayed disciplined with how we allocated capital, deploying $3.9 billion at a weighted average initial cash yield of 7.4%. The capital funding those investments came at appealing prices, giving us an investment spread of 243 basis points, which is above our historical average of 150 basis points. Now for the specifics of the fourth quarter. Our distinctive business model and one-of-a-kind competitive strengths keep underpinning the company's solid results. Fourth quarter AFFO per share came to $1.05, which was growth of 4%. During the quarter, we put $1.7 billion into high-quality opportunities at a weighted average initial cash yield of 7.1%, or a 7.5% straight-line yield assuming CPI growth of 2%. Of those investments, roughly 57% of the annualized cash income produced came from investment-grade clients. We closed 73 discrete transactions, among them six transactions with total considerations above $50 million, and one of those exceeded $500 million, which collectively accounted for nearly 80% of our investment volume. The span of sizes among these transactions shows the unmatched depth and breadth of our sourcing and acquisition platform. Within the US, we invested $1.1 billion at a weighted average initial cash yield of 6.4% and a weighted average lease term of about 14 years. And within Europe, we invested $650 million at a weighted average initial cash yield of 8.2% and a weighted average lease term of about 7 years. Altogether, these investments closed at a spread of 155 basis points over our short-term weighted average cost of capital, backed by roughly $230 million in adjusted funds from operations after dividend payments. Now for operations: we've assembled a diversified portfolio exceeding 15,600 properties with high-quality clients that have demonstrated resilience across a range of economic cycles and keep producing stable returns; that, together with our proven and seasoned asset management team, meant we delivered yet another year of excellent returns. Thanks to the extensive proprietary portfolio data we hold, combined with our in-house predictive analytics capabilities, we think our decision-making has gotten stronger and our abilities have improved further, which the fourth-quarter results demonstrate. Portfolio occupancy finished the quarter at 98.7%, matching where it stood the previous quarter. Across 266 lease renewals, our entry capture rate came to 107.4%, which produced roughly $52 million of new annualized cash rent. Going back to 1996, we have resolved more than 5,800 expiring leases, achieving a 103% recapture rate; we keep growing and building out our predictive analytics tool platform, a key piece when analyzing acquisitions, and it plays a bigger and bigger role in shaping disposition strategy. Under our continuing capital recycling approach, we evaluate our portfolio on a regular basis to spot and fine-tune growth opportunities. When done at the right strategic moment, dispositions do more than raise portfolio quality — they free up organic capital that we can put back to work in better assets, driving long-term value growth. Along those lines, during the fourth quarter we disposed of 80 properties, realizing total net proceeds of $138 million, with $50 million of that tied to vacant properties. Across the full year, net proceeds reached $589 million from selling 294 properties, which backs a capital recycling program that is increasingly active and that we expect to carry on in 2025. Turning to our second theme, we stay confident in our capacity to keep generating growth in our core business over time. Looking ahead to 2025, we see an appealing pipeline of investment opportunities spanning a wide range of property types, industries, and geographies. Given today's investment spreads and what we can see in the deal pipeline, we project investment volume of about $4 billion for the year. Based on the transactions we observe in the marketplace, we are well-positioned to ramp up capital deployment. For the year, our expectation for AFFO per share falls between $4.22 and $4.28, which equals 1.4% growth at the midpoint. Several assumptions feed into this outlook. On the tenant side, our forecast builds in a provision for 75 basis points of possible rent loss, plus an impact from a large office tenant moving out. Most of these effects come from properties we acquired through M&A transactions — deals we underwrote knowing that our size and scale leave us well-positioned to maximize real estate value. Together these items create a $0.04 negative impact on AFFO this year, yet they also give us a chance to cycle out of weaker clients and into stronger ones in robust industries. With market dynamics favorable across retail and industrial real estate, we expect strong releasing outcomes, anticipating rent recapture at a level in line with our historical leverage. On top of that, in 2024 we recognized $21 million in nonrecurring lease termination fees, which gave 2024 a $0.02 AFFO benefit that we are not assuming repeats in our current 2025 forecast. And we are within the NetLeaf page. During 2024, we kept making our standing even stronger as a dependable real estate ally for the biggest corporations around the globe. Repeat deals with clients we've served for years, along with major international brands such as 7-Eleven, Morrisons, and Carrefour, deepened those ties. Along those lines, during Q4 we completed a sale-leaseback worth $770 million involving 7-Eleven, and it now ranks as our largest customer, accounting for 3.5% of annualized rent. That deal demonstrates how we can find, assess, and finalize premium sale-leasebacks, and because of our size, scale, and relationship-focused method, we're able to take on sizable transactions at appealing valuations. It also represents the sixth sale-leaseback we've done with 7-Eleven over our history — a relationship that started nearly ten years back. Our newly announced private capital effort is another path toward future expansion, giving us a chance to put our established platform to work and widen our investment possibilities. As the year unfolds, we're eager to report back on how the fund business is progressing. On the whole, we feel Realty Income's strategic standing, fiscal prudence, and varied holdings keep delivering both steadiness and growth over the long haul. With that, I'd like to hand things over to Jonathan so he can walk through our financial results in greater depth. Thank you, Sumit. 2024 marked yet another year of strong performance throughout every part of our operations.

Jonathan Pong

executive
#3

We also have strong conviction that the distinctive nature of our platform, along with the money we're putting into our people, will keep producing reliably robust operating performance. Looking at the balance sheet, we're in a solid position to stay active in allocating capital, given substantial liquidity and only moderate leverage, as we close out the year with net debt to annualized pro forma adjusted EBITDA at 5.4 times. Our fixed charge coverage ratio sits at 4.7 times, which aligns with the 4.5 to 4.7 band we posted during 2023 and 2024. When the quarter ended, we had $3.7 billion in liquidity available, comprising $445 million of cash, unsettled forward equity, and remaining room on our $4.25 billion revolving credit facility. Our variable rate debt exposure is still small, making up just 4.2% of the total debt principal we owe as of year-end. The steadiness of our cash generation and the reliability of our balance sheet continue to be a core advantage of our platform, supporting our lengthy history of raising the monthly dividend. We take pride in being among 66 businesses in the S&P 500 Dividend Aristocrats Index, recognized for raising our dividend for thirty straight years. The latest raise kicks in with the March monthly dividend payment, amounting to a 1.5% bump to its present monthly dividend and a 4.5% gain versus the same period last year. This marks our 129th dividend hike and our 656th consecutive monthly dividend declared since we listed in 1994, and we stay thankful for the enduring backing from our income-focused shareholders. The breadth and depth of our cash flow diversification, plus the income-focused character of our investments, lead to reduced earnings swings across economic cycles and set our platform apart both within the wider real estate sector and the investment landscape overall. We would be careless not to also recognize the skill, expertise, and dedication of nearly 500 professionals around the world who work hard to grow and safeguard the dividend. From where we stand, combining these attributes gives Realty Income a distinct edge to tap into this ecosystem and propel capital partnerships in future years. As we noted in our earnings press release, our board approved the common stock repurchase program worth $2 billion. To clarify, we plan for any buyback activity to keep leverage unchanged, since we intend to use money from asset sales or free cash flow to finance whatever we do under the program. Although we're still confident about our capacity to find, evaluate, and finalize top-tier investment opportunities at favorable spreads or cost of capital, it makes sense for us to keep this instrument on hand to put capital to work swiftly if a chance arises. I'll now turn things back to Sumit to wrap up our prepared comments.

Sumit Roy

executive
#4

Appreciate that, Jonathan. To wrap up, what we achieved in 2024 shows we have a demonstrated history of delivering results, backed by how steady our portfolio is, the skill and experience of our people, and the strength of our balance sheet. Our goal is to serve as the real estate partner for the top companies around the globe. And the ties we've established across many years keep bringing added value to our firm, which the fourth quarter made clear. As we look ahead, our pipeline is still active, and the chances to work alongside operators who excel at their craft are heartening — evidence of what our company brings to the table. At this point I'd like to turn the call over to questions. Operator?

Fereal Grenad

analyst
#5

Fereal Grenad from BOA has our first question today. Go right ahead. Hello, and I appreciate you taking my question. To start, I'd like to ask about your cap rates—both what you expect moving forward and what visibility you have right now. What direction do you see cap rates taking? And how does that factor into your cost of capital at present?

Sumit Roy

executive
#6

That's a good one, Fereal. Given the pipeline we have on hand at the moment, my expectation would be that cap rates land very close to the level we averaged during 2024.

Fereal Grenad

analyst
#7

All right, thanks. Then when it comes to recycling capital, I'd like to hear your thinking there. At the close of 2024, as I recall, you offered some guidance. Going forward, what portion of your acquisitions do you expect capital recycling to cover? Or anything else you could add.

Sumit Roy

executive
#8

Sure; at this point in the year, full guidance and visibility on that are somewhat premature, though for modeling purposes you may take it as given.

Fereal Grenad

analyst
#9

All right. Thanks.

John Kilichowski

analyst
#10

Our following question today is from John Kilichowski at Wells Fargo. Kindly proceed. Thanks. Good afternoon. Perhaps we could begin with the buyback plan. I'm wondering, what's the level for you at which those shares, or, you know, at which your equity turns into something a bit more appealing compared with other choices for your, you know, your capital? And does the guidance factor in any repurchases?

Sumit Roy

executive
#11

Well, John, you know, that depends on what the market is showing us right now. Consider what has taken place over the past 4 months, ever since the Fed began cutting rates; in October, we reached our 52-week peak at nearly $65. Then, within just 3 months, we had fallen to $51. Against that kind of environment, where, you know, our business fundamentals aren't necessarily—this is a device we think we ought to have. Let me be very clear: buybacks will be funded solely by free cash flow from operations and disposition proceeds, done on a leverage-neutral basis. And it's a choice we felt we had to keep for the coming 3 years, which our board has approved. That's in case we keep witnessing this degree of market swings. Ultimately, we are investors; and should the strongest economic call be to repurchase the stock, given the volatility we're seeing, then that's the one we'll opt to make. Yet what we expect and hope is that we won't need to rely on this device. Still, it's one we believed we required as an available option.

John Kilichowski

analyst
#12

Got it. And then, maybe I can move on to how solid the portfolio looks overall when you take the guidance into account. Compared with a year ago, non-reimbursable expenses are up a bit, and your bad debt provision sits at seventy-five bps — I think a year earlier you were closer to the thirty bp level. What I'm trying to figure out is whether those numbers mainly show caution on your end as you head into the year, or whether you're seeing something in the market among your tenants that pushes you toward being more careful about tenant credit.

Jonathan Pong

executive
#13

Hi, John. On your first question, the guidance we gave is 1.4 to 1.7% for unreimbursed property expenses. That's closer to a new run rate, though we baked in some assumption there for carry costs associated with vacant properties. And so, obviously, our hope is to do better than that. In 2024 we finished near the lower end of that range; but at the upper end, closer to 1.7, it's really just uncertainty about how quickly we can get rid of some vacancies. Now on bad debt expense, in 2024 we came in around fifty basis points as a percentage of revenue for bad debt expense. So the seventy-five reflects a bit of an increase. As Sumit mentioned in prepared remarks, there truly aren't any surprises. A small set of three tenants makes up most of it; and these are mostly tenants we underwrote through earlier M&A transactions. So some conservatism. I think it's just about getting those properties back, and in a lot of these cases, we expect to do pretty well on their recapture. There could be some short-term disruption, but overall, nothing that should concern us too much from where we stand — and that includes roughly $75 million tied to these situations.

Sumit Roy

executive
#14

Thanks.

Greg McGinniss

analyst
#15

Hi there, good afternoon. When you look at the transaction market right now, how do you weigh the balance among the US, Europe, and credit investments as you think about this year?

Sumit Roy

executive
#16

Yeah. Greg, it's still too soon to say for certain, though it's clear that the opportunities we found last year across the borders were in Europe and the UK. That's where most of our deals got done. Things shifted fast once the cost of capital backdrop and the markets moved. More sellers became willing to bring assets to market. Our cost of capital had gotten better, and we could complete deals at a spread we found acceptable given the risk we were taking on. We closed out the year at roughly a fifty-fifty division between international and the US. I'd say that, you know, as I sit here right now, that same division is likely where we land for 2025, though I want to add a caveat that it's still a bit early; and considering where things stood just two months back, it once again comes down to the sort of platform we've built, the pipeline we managed to create, and the speed at which we created that pipeline, which speaks to what we keep emphasizing about having a highly differentiated business model compared with anyone else in the space; and that's what gives us the confidence to put out a $4 billion, you know, guidance figure on the acquisition side. It comes from a mix of the pipeline already in hand and the visibility already in hand. That's why I could respond to the question about, you know, cap rates and where we expect to finish the year in 2025; and credit investments will definitely form a part of this composition, though it won't be outsized relative to, you know, what we delivered in 2024, it'll sit in a comparable ZIP code. But that's the visibility we have as of today.

Greg McGinniss

analyst
#17

All right, so can you share a bit about how things are going with additional capital deployments in Continental Europe? Which nations have you expanded into while growing the London and Amsterdam teams, and what makes the opportunities there appealing at this moment?

Sumit Roy

executive
#18

Yeah, that's an excellent question, Greg. This ongoing build-out of a highly seasoned group explains why our G&A expense level is staying roughly where it's sat over the past 12 months to 18 months. The reason is that we keep adding people in the UK and also in Amsterdam. Once that full-time group is set, that's what will let us keep scaling. As for new markets, nothing we've gone into hasn't already been made public. I believe Poland was the final one we'd flagged as a target market. Still, much of where we put money to work in Q4 was in markets where we're already well established. The UK accounted for most of it, and Spain ranked second for the number of Q4 investments we made; even so, these are the same nations where our presence already exists. Decathlon clearly gave us room to grow. Among the locations we operated in were Germany and Portugal. Beyond those, there's France, Italy, Spain, the UK, Ireland, and Poland. Those are the markets we're concentrating on.

Greg McGinniss

analyst
#19

Great. Thank you.

Brian Caijolo

analyst
#20

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. During the fourth quarter, there were announcements that other REITs are expanding into the private fund space. Does that change how you view competition in that arena, and recognizing that those REITs aren't in different property sectors, how do you assess private capital appetite for net lease assets versus other real estate assets?

Sumit Roy

executive
#21

Brian, in some ways, this is a reaffirmation of the strategy that we announced. Look, we pride ourselves in being a very transparent company. We try to talk to our investor base prior to doing anything. And that's what we chose to do during the last quarter announcement. The point was to show the market that moving into private sources is just a logical next step for the business. In this area, we think we belong in the core plus space; for private investors, it's an ideal way in, letting them take real advantage of a platform we provide — roughly five hundred people, built up and refined across fifty-five years — together with the tools we've created. We think there's room for us; and, well, our marketing process has only just kicked off. The data room is now open. This part of our company genuinely has us thrilled. When you see other operators—and I mean highly successful ones—deciding to enter this arena, it confirms that the approach we've set out is the right one. So our confidence is high. We will capture our portion of the capital; we'll continue updating you on our progress the same way we've always done; yet we believe the sheer size of capital accessible here is so enormous that staying out of it would prevent us from carrying on with things we've already described—specifically, broadening where our equity capital comes from. And so far so good.

Brian Caijolo

analyst
#22

That wraps up my questions. I appreciate the additional detail.

Sumit Roy

executive
#23

Thanks, Brian.

Ronald Kamdem

analyst
#24

Hey, I've got just a couple of quick questions. Going back to the pipeline, I'm curious whether there are any bigger deals in there, or whether it's mostly smaller ones — and maybe you could talk about the data center and gaming verticals and what activity looks like in those areas.

Sumit Roy

executive
#25

That's a great question, Ronald. So, here's the thing. Looking at the pipeline we have right now, there isn't one very large transaction — and by very large, we mean $500 million and above. These are your ordinary, right-down-the-middle kinds of opportunities, and we're quite pleased to have assembled a fairly strong pipeline. On the question of asset types, you brought up gaming and data centers. Let me start with gaming. By its very nature, gaming tends to be quite episodic. We do have a few conversations in progress. There's clearly a great deal of interest in your own backyard, Ron, as you're aware; we'll see how that all unfolds, but we believe there's a very long fuse attached to it when it comes to actually crossing the finish line. Data centers are a fascinating area. It's one we're quite enthusiastic about. That said, we're extremely deliberate about whom we choose to partner with, which leases we're comfortable being exposed to, which markets we're prepared to commit to, and above all, which operators or developers we want to build a long-term relationship with; we've all read headlines about Microsoft and other very large hyperscalers announcing they'll pull out of certain developments, and so on. Things like that keep us very diligent about whom we ultimately want to work with. The discussions we're having, and the ones we choose to move forward, are those we feel highly confident in when it comes to their competence and their track record. And not a borrowed track record — their genuine track record as an institution, plus their capacity to deliver product. Those factors have grown very important in our underwriting process. And ultimately, it comes down to the physical real estate: where is it situated, who is it being built for? What sort of leases are involved? Because no two data center leases are alike. And clearly, we've come to understand that through the many discussions we've had. So we think cloud services and AI will keep driving substantial demand for data centers. But we have to be extremely selective about which ones we invest in and who we invest alongside. That's my take on the data center space.

Ronald Kamdem

analyst
#26

That's quite useful. My follow-up concerns the seventy-five basis point bad debt guidance. Separately, did a write-down on straight-line rents occur during the quarter? The real question, though, is whether this year is simply an unusually large one, or should we anticipate it settling back as the calendar moves forward? Or does it have a somewhat extended tail as the portfolio you purchased keeps rolling through? Thank you.

Jonathan Pong

executive
#27

Hi, Ron. Regarding your first question, you're correct. In the fourth quarter, we recorded a straight-line rent write-down, mostly tied to the three tenants. The impact came to roughly $8 million, which is part of why straight-line came in somewhat below our run rate in Q4. Turning to how that expense load will trend going forward: I believe as we approach the midpoint and the end of the year, we'll clearly tighten the range somewhat. It's late February right now, and since many of these possible reserves are concentrated among three tenants representing roughly $0.03 per share of potential reserve, we're simply looking at a broad set of outcomes for them. Still, as additional information comes in, I think we'd hope to reduce that and trim our conservatism around it.

Ronald Kamdem

analyst
#28

That wraps up my questions. Thank you very much.

Maddie Fargis

analyst
#29

Hi there, good afternoon; Maddie Fargis here, filling in for Smedes. Regarding the debt side, it appears you have slightly less than $2 billion of debt coming due in 2025. Could you discuss a bit your strategy for handling securities? And then perhaps looking forward, what about your debt maturing across the next couple of years too?

Jonathan Pong

executive
#30

Hi Matty. As you’re aware, we’ve made a deliberate choice to spread out our maturities across each year. That’s something we’ve done quite purposefully. Looking at the current year, there’s still $1.9 billion maturing at roughly 4.2%, more or less. If we were to issue in US dollars right now—and this would all be ten-year unsecured—you’d likely see around 5.3. For Sterling, it would probably be 5.6, while euros might come in at 3.8. So much depends on which currency we use for refinancing, but if you assume dollar pricing and dollar debt, that’s maybe about a hundred basis points of headwind. All right. And if you take half your convention, since the average maturity date falls around mid-year, that could mean roughly a penny of dilution for 2025. Looking ahead, we’ve cycled through many periods. We’ve experienced a wide range of interest rate conditions. Recently, it’s been a headwind; a decade earlier, it was clearly a tailwind. Having that staggered maturity schedule and the options to access three different currencies, frankly, gives us flexibility, optionality, and the patience to wait for the right opportunity. That’s how we’ll keep managing our maturity risk. We also have a $4.25 billion revolver, of course. That gives us ample liquidity sources, so we don’t feel rushed to strike a deal on any specific day, week, or quarter.

Maddie Fargis

analyst
#31

Alright, thanks. Just to go back to the guidance for a moment. The range you've given for income tax expense appears to be above what we saw for the whole of 2024. Could you walk us through what might be behind that rise — any ins and outs worth noting?

Jonathan Pong

executive
#32

Alright, so on the European front, it's been a busy year for us. Especially over in the UK. Over there, we're subject to a statutory tax rate. At this point, we've managed to bring that down to roughly 10 to 11% of NOI. And as we continue building out that European platform and acquiring properties in the UK, that run rate and those income taxes are going to start climbing. So in 2024, we recorded $66 million in income taxes, and that really reflects that 80 to 90 run rate. If you look at the Q4 income tax figure, that basically tells you what the new quarterly run rate is going to be. I'd stress that for every deal we bring before investment committee, we always factor in the impact of income taxes within our underwriting. Both on a near-term basis and on a long-term underwritten IRR basis.

Maddie Fargis

analyst
#33

Great. Thank you.

Brad Heffern

analyst
#34

Hey, Rick. Thanks. Sumit, during your prepared remarks you brought up the sale-leaseback figure of 7.11 for the quarter. My guess is that cap rate came in fairly low. So I'm wondering whether you might discuss what gets traded off when you weigh a strong initial spread against the possibility that those properties would be a stronger fit inside the private capital vehicle.

Sumit Roy

executive
#35

Brad, there's quite a bit packed into that question, so let me attempt to address all of it. I won't get into the specific cap rate on 7-Eleven; however, as you're aware, the whole US deal we closed, which came in at more than a billion dollars, carried a 6.4 cap rate; and that clearly was the dominant piece, you know, of what we completed during that quarter. Another thing I'd add is that we have a lot of confidence that we managed to secure this portfolio at a minimum of a hundred basis points below where such assets change hands. If you examine just 2024 alone, and you count up how many 7-Eleven properties carry a fourteen-year or fifteen-year walt and incidentally, you'll find roughly forty-five transaction hits there. You'll see the average cap rate. The number's right around the bottom of the five range. And obviously, you know, deals like these trade anywhere from the upper fours up to roughly the middle of the five range. That's the spread you see for these kinds of assets. So, yeah — this is our sixth sale-leaseback deal together with 7-Eleven. They chose us as their partner, and it shows once more what we're all about. We're really pleased with this specific portfolio. You also brought up a second point, or at least you alluded to whether the fund business might have been a better fit for this. And yes, it would have been. I wouldn't necessarily say "better suited" is the best phrasing, but considering the return profile this deal offers to the fund business, it would still be a solid transaction. That said, we're quite at ease keeping it on our balance sheet. Here's a slightly different point I'd like to raise: during 2024, we originated roughly $43 billion in transactions, and this year we invested about $3.9 billion. We believe that if our fund business had been operational, we could have completed two additional deals. The reason is that some deals came our way that met nearly every criterion, but the upfront margin wasn't there, and without that margin we can't execute the way we need to on our balance sheet. So when we describe the fund side of the business as complementary, that's the idea — it fills in the gaps in what we can accomplish publicly, and it lets us genuinely leverage the platform we've constructed. That's exactly why we're thrilled to be in a position to bring in capital privately and use it to round out what we've already built on the public side. I appreciate the question.

Brad Heffern

analyst
#36

Yeah, thanks for taking that. Then perhaps for Jonathan — regarding the office move-out you brought up during the prepared remarks. To start, does that account for the full $0.04 you referenced, or was it only part of that figure? And stepping back a bit, I realize it's a modest piece of the portfolio, but is this the largest possible shock within the office holdings, or could additional pressures emerge there?

Jonathan Pong

executive
#37

I wouldn't characterize it as the $0.04. You know, it was heavily tied to a single asset, though a few others were involved too. For 2025, that effect landed closer to the one and a half cents range. On everything else — bear in mind that much of the office we've added came through M&A. At this point we don't foresee anything reaching that kind of materiality; this one specific asset within the portfolio has been on our radar for a while, so it wasn't unexpected. It occurred late in the year, which is why the annualized effect shows up.

Brad Heffern

analyst
#38

All right, thanks.

Catherine Graves

analyst
#39

Hello, I'm Catherine Graves, filling in for Michael. I appreciate you taking my questions. To start, I have a few particular points regarding portfolio adjustments made during this quarter. You've already addressed your views on data centers as well as the gaming vertical, but I noticed that your industrial exposure also grew somewhat in the quarter. So I'm curious whether you could share any insight into the opportunities you're seeing in that area moving forward and, more or less, what your appetite is for looking further into the industrials vertical.

Sumit Roy

executive
#40

Yes. Industrial remains a priority for the team, and we'll keep seeking chances to put money into industrial assets. What it really comes down to is that, you know, they change hands at pricing levels where we can't always take part. Therefore, the exposure we're growing on the industrial side is mostly resulting from development, expansions, and projects we currently have going with partners who are building assets on our behalf; that we are leasing out. And so that's how we're attempting to keep competing on the industrial side. But it shouldn't shock anyone when you do see us manage to take part and acquire industrial assets that this is definitely something we focus on. And, you know, our asset management team can confirm that this is where a great deal of the mark to market on the rents is arriving and it's arriving far above what our present rents are, and we generate a lot of value doing that. So that will remain an integral part of our business strategy moving forward.

Catherine Graves

analyst
#41

Understood. Thanks, that's really useful. For my follow-up, since we might be sitting in a stretch where US bankruptcies are running high, I'm curious whether any consumer or retail patterns have caught your attention specifically as you watch over your portfolio and work through this stretch of elevated tenant credit concerns. So I'd just like to hear your perspective on that.

Sumit Roy

executive
#42

Yeah, good question. Clearly, plenty is happening right now. The broader environment isn't especially friendly, above all for retailers carrying leveraged or stretched balance sheets, and so on. Because of that, we're watching things very carefully. On top of that, there's the added complication of not knowing what shape tariffs will ultimately take, or how they'll hit particular businesses. And clearly, based on which kind of retail business you operate, tariffs might matter a great deal or barely at all. Take media, for instance, where you find lots of consumer goods such as televisions and stereos, and so forth. Sixty percent of that typically originates in China. So should a tariff land, those retailers with that exposure, if they can't push the added cost onto customers, had better be sitting on a solid balance sheet. If not, absorbing it will be tough for them. So that's the broader pattern, and I'm only using consumer electronics as one very particular illustration. Still, you can apply that logic to all the remaining sectors. Apparel stands out as a major one. China, in fact, ships thirty-four percent of apparel worldwide. Fortunately, for the US it's just twenty-two, twenty-three percent, so the severity won't be as sharp. Even so, those with outsized exposure to that peak are the ones we monitor more intently, and that's far more of a thematic matter rather than something tied to our own portfolio. That's what we're zeroing in on. All this uncertainty carries a downstream effect that definitely pushes us toward far greater caution. That explains why we're conservative, so to speak, about getting overly aggressive during a year that's shrouded in uncertainty.

Catherine Graves

analyst
#43

Very helpful. Thank you for the time.

Sumit Roy

executive
#44

Sure.

Jay Kornreich

analyst
#45

Hi there, many thanks. Good afternoon. I'd like to begin by returning to that private capital fund. You've now had a number of extra months to evaluate what shape it might take following the original announcement, so is there anything new you can share regarding the amount you expect it to reach and the timing of when you think it will get underway?

Sumit Roy

executive
#46

Jay, it's too soon to say; honestly, we only opened the data room last week. There have been a handful of preliminary meetings; things are going well so far. As I mentioned, we'll keep you informed about our progress as it happens; however, when it comes to a target size, it's still too soon to say.

Jay Kornreich

analyst
#47

All right, got it. Then just one final thing. When we consider how this year gets funded — suppose there's $92 million in unsettled forward equity alongside $45 million in cash, and the guidance points to $4 billion of acquisitions being targeted — I'd just be interested in your thinking on the acquisition pipeline and whether you'd issue equity at where the stock trades right now.

Jonathan Pong

executive
#48

Sure, Jay. Looking at the mix of cash, cash, plus those unsettled forwards, and bearing in mind that roughly $850 million in annual free cash flow comes in, you've got capital sources that behave like equity, and those carry us through approximately the first $2 billion of purchasing capacity. There's also a disposition program — as was visible last year, $591 million marks a meaningful step up in our run rate. That gives us another mechanism for recycling capital; and once you're down to whatever residual funding need remains, so to speak, we baked particular assumptions into our forecast and model regarding what that weighted average cost of capital comes out to. The rationale behind landing on a $4 billion figure isn't some arbitrary pick. It's an amount we're comfortable saying we can hit at given cap rates or yields, which lets us complete transactions accretively in year one. So in a sense, that means we calibrate to today's cost of capital, perhaps even somewhat more cautiously than that. And on the top line, we're going after deals and reviewing a pipeline where we're confident acceptable spreads can be obtained.

Jay Kornreich

analyst
#49

That helps a lot, thank you.

Ravi Baidu

analyst
#50

Hi there. Could you share some additional color on tenant credit? Which tenants or categories are currently on your watch list? What reserves have been built in? And does that 75 basis point reserve you mentioned earlier apply only to store closures or bankruptcies you've already identified, or does it also account for possible speculative bankruptcies or shortfalls? Thanks.

Sumit Roy

executive
#51

Sure. I'll take your last question. On rent losses for this year, the 75 bips we talked about definitely includes general reserves — places where we just can't foresee what could go wrong, given some of the comments I've made about macro volatility and uncertainty around where certain policies are heading; for 2025, the impact was more in the $0.015 range. I'd say there's a fair amount of generosity built in, and a fair amount of conservatism too — even for the identified names Jonathan went through, in terms of what we actually expect the impact from those names to be. So that addresses the bad debt expense. As for our credit watch list, it's at about 4.8% as of today. That's slightly above the third quarter, again reflecting what we've already talked about regarding uncertainty, etcetera, etcetera. We're watching that list closely and will continue to adjust it as we go; but that reflects our current view of where credit events might happen. And again, just being on the watch list doesn't mean an event occurs; in fact, one name came off our credit watch list last year, during the fourth quarter, and a handful were added solely because of what we think might happen on the tariff front and which businesses could be impacted; that's how the credit watch list gets put together.

Ravi Baidu

analyst
#52

Thank you.

Sumit Roy

executive
#53

Sure.

Upal Rana

analyst
#54

Thanks a lot. Appreciate you fielding this. Turning to Q4, you noticed cap rates tighten by 30 basis points. I'm just wondering what caused that narrowing, and what's the read-through regarding rivalry in today's deal market?

Sumit Roy

executive
#55

Yes. Upal, I suppose, listen, what I said about exiting Q3 and moving into Q4, the Fed beginning to cut rates. People anticipated further cuts. People anticipated where certain interest rates would ultimately land; that clearly drove the cost of capital up, and I believe all of that enabled prospective sellers to enter the market. A match occurred on the reservation price. Those deals closed. That definitely exerted downward pressure on the overall cap rate, though what we're discussing is 20 basis points, from 7.3, 7.4 down to 7.1. Ultimately, however, I think regarding your second point on rivalry, increasingly more competition is arriving on the private side. And these are enormously big asset managers who are beginning to grasp the merits of net lease investing. And to me, that's simply, once more, a validation of a business model possessing this profile of producing consistent growth, highly predictable, stability, across extremely lengthy time horizons. So we embrace the institutionalization of this sector and we remain quite confident in our capacity to keep capitalizing on a flat. We need to rely on ties that we established around. You know, 80% of all our activity involves repeat business with repeat clients. That's quite potent. You know. And therefore the reality that each of these clients is arriving, these prospective investors are entering the sector is a positive development but we believe we are extremely well placed to capture our fair share.

Upal Rana

analyst
#56

All right, that's useful. And I'm grateful for the details you called out regarding what's hitting AFFO per share in 2025. Still, I'm wondering: what would have to occur for the top end of that guidance to be reached?

Jonathan Pong

executive
#57

Upal, honestly, the biggest factor is where we finish on the reserve side. Since we're anticipating 75 basis points of rent, you can calculate what that amounts to. Based on our share count, each $9 million equals a penny. So that's really the main thing. Clearly, it also depends on where the ten-year yield sits. We're aware of how closely our stock moves with it — among the S&P, the ten-year is one of the most correlated; though naturally, some easing there ought to benefit our spreads. And frankly, I'd add that steadiness in the rate market matters so that our prospective clients and sellers can observe that the market has stabilized and that we know the direction of rates. We sense there's some steadiness. With our cost of capital and volume, activity should return at levels that ideally reach a balance letting us exceed within the $4 billion. I'd say it's essentially those two elements, plus our capacity to shed empty properties carrying meaningful hold costs, since that's among the forces behind our guidance of 1.4% to 1.7% for reimbursed property expense margins.

Sumit Roy

executive
#58

Yet I believe the remark you raised regarding a steadier environment — that matters greatly to us, you know. Our capacity to create deals and to find deals, Upal, is barnard. And if we simply get a steady environment, and it makes no difference to me whether the tenure sits at a five percent zip code, or at a four and a half, or a four and a quarter. Stability is all we're after. And when that occurs, I think our capacity to build a strong pipeline — we just demonstrated that to you during the prior quarter. What we're capable of with a, you know, somewhat steadier environment. And that is what we're hoping for, I think. Everything else will sort itself out. But when it comes to fueling growth, it ranks among the largest catalysts.

Upal Rana

analyst
#59

Okay. Great. Thanks.

Jason Wang

analyst
#60

Thanks for asking. Development spending declined while development yields increased. In 2024, compared with the prior year. I just want to know what caused that, how much development is baked into this year's guidance, and what underwriting assumptions apply to new developments?

Sumit Roy

executive
#61

The reason investment yields on development continue rising is really tied to the vintage of when those developments were originated; and as older vintage developments get delivered, that cap rate, those yields on that development ought to increase. Since it reflects much better, you know, what the market looks like today versus how it looked in 2023 or, you know, early 2023. So what I'd attribute that to is basically the way we've restructured our entire development operation. A lot of the deals we're finalizing right now actually originated roughly twelve months back, a point when the market was already indicating significant turbulence ahead. That explains the elevated yields. As for the pipeline and what portion of this development activity fills that gap — it should look comparable to our 2024 development. Again, these are typically recurring engagements with customers where our relationships run very deep. The main reason they've picked us for either reverse build-to-suit or build-to-suit arrangements comes down to wanting a partner who offers stability in conditions like today's, and that's really it. So from an underwriting standpoint, Jason, my expectation would be a mix along the lines of what we saw in 2024. And with any luck, my answer on the yield topic covers what you needed.

Jason Wang

analyst
#62

Yeah. That's helpful. Thanks.

Sumit Roy

executive
#63

Thank you.

Alec Feygin

analyst
#64

Hi, everyone. I appreciate you taking my question. Following up on a point that came up during the 3Q call, or possibly the 2Q call — have you received that space back from the C-store tenant? And assuming you have, what does guidance currently assume will happen with that space?

Sumit Roy

executive
#65

Yes, so we definitely have that space back. I won't comment on what's still playing out on the legal side, but basically the majority of that space, perhaps all of it, is back in our hands. We're currently in the middle of talks — and had actually already been pursuing these concurrently — with other highly established C-store operators, and we're working to bring that to completion.

Alec Feygin

analyst
#66

Understood. Appreciate it. That's everything from my side.

Sumit Roy

executive
#67

Thanks.

Teo Okusanya

analyst
#68

Yes. Good morning, everybody. Regarding the tenant watch list and tenant credit in general, could you tell us a little about your strategy there? Considering both the US and the rest of Europe. And then, is any part or share of that coming from Europe?

Sumit Roy

executive
#69

Excellent question, Teo. Obviously, you know, given the vintage in Europe, the watch list gets a much smaller contribution from Europe. Even so, there were particular assets we pursued deliberately, aware that some of these customers — two examples being Corporate Ride and Homebase — were ones we intended to take back. Also, we had already been negotiating simultaneously with different customers who were interested in that specific site. So, following an active asset management approach, we pursued properties where those two specific customers were tenants. The outcome has been quite impressive—once we regained control of those spaces, our capacity to secure lease rates significantly exceeding the rents that were expiring, or the existing rents, is the rationale for why we took that approach. However, these are deliberate tactics. Beyond that, things are, as you know, very clean. And we have no European names that are currently on the watch list.

Teo Okusanya

analyst
#70

Gotcha. Thank you.

Sumit Roy

executive
#71

Sure.

Sumit Roy

executive
#72

Alright, we appreciate everyone being here today, and thanks for all the questions. We’re looking forward to seeing you at the conferences coming up. Have a wonderful day.

Operator

operator
#73

Appreciate it. That brings the conference to a close, and we're grateful to everyone who joined us for today's presentation. At this point you're free to hang up, and we hope the rest of your day is great.

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