Redcare Pharmacy NV (RDC) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 23, 2021

XTRA DE Consumer Staples Consumer Staples Distribution and Retail guidance_update 34 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good day, and welcome to the SHOP APOTHEKE EUROPE Full Year 2021 Guidance Call. This call will be starting at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time for the duration of 30 minutes. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to CEO, Stefan Feltens. Please go ahead, sir.

Stefan Feltens

executive
#2

Well, thank you very much for the introduction. Well, good morning, everyone. Jasper, who is also on the call, and I will welcome you to SHOP APOTHEKE's conference call regarding our updated guidance for the current year for 2021. Following a short introduction, we will, of course, be available to answer any questions that you might have. I'm sure by now you've all read the APOTHEKE's statement that was released last night. But just to make sure that we're all on the same page, let me quickly walk you through the guidance changes. Originally, we have projected top line year-over-year growth of around 20%. Now we're guiding towards the year-over-year growth of 10% to 15%. In terms of our bottom line, we are now projecting an adjusted EBITDA margin at around breakeven level. This compares to our original guidance of 2.3% to 2.8% of sales. Lastly, we are now estimating a full year CapEx spending of around EUR 45 million. A key driver behind the revised guidance for full year 2021, are capacity constraints in our logistics processes, especially in light of very tight labor market in the greater Venlo area. You're following the news, so you are certainly aware that we are not the only company that is dealing with such issues. Lower sales result in a lower gross margin in absolute euros. But in addition, we will incur some additional labor costs to address our staffing needs. And furthermore, we will increase our investments to reaccelerate our growth and to get back on to the SHOP APOTHEKE growth trajectory. I want to emphasize and really in the name of SHOP APOTHEKE's management board that we are very confident that we will be able to debottleneck our logistics processes to be ready for the market opportunities in front of us. Our IT and our marketing are ready to date for the eRx mandate that will become effective in Germany next year, both with front and back at functionality, and we see ourselves in a pole position to leverage the eRx opportunity. With this short introduction, we would like to open the call for questions. To be fair to everybody, please limit yourself to 2 questions. If we have time left at the end, we will, of course, answer additional questions. So operator, please go ahead.

Operator

operator
#3

[Operator Instructions] We will now take our first question from Alexander Thiel from Jefferies.

Alexander Thiel

analyst
#4

My first question would be on the logistics issue. I mean, could you give us more insights since when this issue has basically started? What is the underlying problem with seasonal workers? I mean can you quantify the numbers of workers that you're meeting? And my second question would be on your profitability guidance, right? We have seen a 2% in Q1. So basically on track. What has basically changed? Is it the sales mix? Are you spending more on marketing? Because I think that the employee cost effects cannot be around EUR 20 million, right? Could you maybe talk about that a little bit?

Stefan Feltens

executive
#5

Alex, thanks for the 2 questions. I'll start with the first question and Jasper, you'll address the second question. So the labor shortages, this started to materialize over the course of the second quarter. And again, to be transparent, that hasn't been resolved yet. So in July, we are still experiencing a shortage in staffing. Alexander, it's a combination of, number one, we are operating 2 facilities in parallel at this point of time, even though we're going to wind down the old facility towards the end of this quarter. And admittedly, that is something that we have not anticipated, there is indeed a labor shortage in the market, especially in the greater Venlo area, but not just in the greater Venlo area. There is a plethora of actions that we have and will continue to implement to address this labor shortage. Not all monetary in nature, but certainly, there's also a monetary a component that is to make sure that we remain competitive, and we can, again, address the capacity constraints that we have at this point of time. All of this is fully reflected in our updated guidance. And in terms of the change in the bottom line. Jasper, please add some color.

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#6

Yes. Okay. Thanks indeed. So we're saying now around breakeven, while to include in Q1, we were well on track of our guidance indeed. There are 3 main elements in that, Alexander. And first of all, it is -- and that's not the largest impact but it is the Q2 impact of the missed sales, the missed contributor margin we had in Q2. That's #1 of the 3. But #2 is the extra costs that we expect in our logistics in order to get as soon as possible in a robust way to our desired capacity levels. But #3 is also that as of that moment, we really want to, again, immediately take back our market-leading position. And so we will invest in stepping up our growth to the levels that you are used to see from us. And the cost of debt are also included in the 2021 guidance.

Alexander Thiel

analyst
#7

Okay. Understood. Maybe 1 follow-up. I keep it short. I mean, can you quantify the number of workers that you're needing is it like 50, 100, 150. Can you just give us a ballpark we can think about? And then on the marketing side, are you seeing now some pressure on marketing? I mean we know that Google and Facebook had changed some algorithms. I know that this marketing specifically on your side is like 15% of the marketing you're doing. But are you seeing any impact there as well? Or what the?

Stefan Feltens

executive
#8

With the number of employees that you are referring to, you're in the right ballpark. I'll leave it at this. It's not too far off from what we're aiming for. Again, we're always looking at a net because there is also some fluctuation. We are losing some people. But in terms of the net workers that we're aiming for that we need to gain, that we need to attract to SHOP APOTHEKE, you are in the right ballpark with your assumption.

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#9

Yes. And then as to your marketing question, just in general, with the lower capacity, we reduced certain marketing means of us the past weeks, specifically on our website and also mentioning that it will take longer before products get delivered. But offshore, of course, we take into account to not lose our good positions, for example, at Google.

Operator

operator
#10

We will now take our next question from Benjamin Lacaille from Bank of America.

Benjamin Lacaille

analyst
#11

I've got 2. First of all, I was just wondering if you could give us a bit more detail in terms of the cadence of growth going through the second quarter, i.e., where was April versus May versus June? And in that context, what have you seen in July so far? Is it reasonable to assume July has basically been on the same pretty negative level as June? And then going forward, what kind of assumptions have you made in terms of the recovery for August, September and 4Q in terms of the new guidance, that would be very helpful. And then the second question is just on how you're thinking about the budget in terms of the profitability? I suppose you've already cut some A&P in the second quarter where you didn't have the ability to fulfill orders anyway. How are you thinking about spending the A&P going forward in the third and fourth quarter? And should we think of that as being the main drag in terms of the profitability downgrade today?

Stefan Feltens

executive
#12

Okay. Well, again, I'll start and then to of profitability, Jasper will jump in again. Ben, you're right, July is not yet where we want it to be. So we -- as we mentioned that you've seen the preliminary numbers for the second quarter, in May and June the second quarter in total, but especially May and June, we experienced these capacity constraints, then it had an impact on the number of orders that we got a good process. As I mentioned a minute ago, that issue has not been resolved yet. So July will probably be at a similar level. All we can say at this point of time is that we have the plans in place to get to address these capacity constraints that's the reason because we cannot give a precise timing when will the additional staffing needs to be fully met that's why we're providing a range in terms of our top line guidance for this year from 10% to 15%. But at this point of time, again, I need to leave it at this. Jasper?

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#13

Yes. Only some additional color, then in June indeed, it was particularly certainly in June that our growth was minimized. The start of the second quarter was as positive as Q1 was where you saw some headwinds in the paper, Rx that we were able to fully offset with very strong non-Rx performance in all of our 7 countries and also in Germany specific. So that was the situation until the mid of the second quarter. And then specifically, in June, we had to reduce ourself and that continued into July. And as to your assumption that a big part of what we updated in our guidance is related to our total proposition and marketing, as you're saying, that is a correct assumption. Yes.

Benjamin Lacaille

analyst
#14

And can I -- sorry, can I just have 1 follow-up just on that. When you're thinking about the quarterly adjusted EBITDA contribution. Do you think that for the third and fourth quarter will be more negative than the second? Is that the sort of cadence we should expect going through the year?

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#15

Now first of all, yes, we give only guidance on a full year basis. But to give some color on what you're saying, there is not significant clarity on giving a precise answer to what you're saying. We gave our best estimates, but how the phasing is exactly that depends on the 3 elements we just discussed added the sales shortfall, then probably additional cost for the logistic capacity and then when we can step up our investments in growth again. So it depends on that phasing. So I cannot be more precise as to the course.

Operator

operator
#16

We will now take our next question from Gerhard Jorna from Bernberg.

Gerhard Orgonas

analyst
#17

It's Gerhard Orgonas from Bernberg. I will limit myself to 2 questions. First of all, maybe about the new logistics. Can you tell us what happened from a technical perspective? I mean I don't think the solution is still to hire more people, which you didn't find. I think the underlying problem is something that something went wrong in the automation, et cetera. And you successfully moved the international business last year and why has something happened with the DACH business now? And the second question is you said that you still have this problem is still ongoing in July. And how far do you have sufficient visibility that your current guidance is kind of the worst case that can happen? Do you have -- is there a little bit of improvement already that you've got visibility when these problems will be sorted out?

Stefan Feltens

executive
#18

Well, yes, thanks for the questions. The issue that we are facing is a shortage of labor to be clear about this. If we didn't have the shortage of labor, there wouldn't have been a need to adjust our guidance. In terms of the automation, you're right, last year, we transferred the international business. But again, in terms of the magnitude, the number of orders that is, of course, a relatively small proportion of what we did now with the transfer of the DACH business in March and April. The automation, again, there are some normal hiccups that you would expect if you start up a new facility but this is not the major issue that we're facing. The major issue that we are facing is simply a shortage of labor. We are losing people or we have lost people. We have, at this point of time, we have problems attracting people. But again, without getting into the specifics, there is a plethora of actions that we have and will implement. And we are confident that over the coming months, we'll be able to debottleneck our logistics processes. The key issue is the shortage of labor.

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#19

And just to be clear, that Gerhard, as you all know, actually, this new facility, the automation part of it is running smoothly as of July, stepping up in February, et cetera. So that is on track and was designed already 2 years ago for the introduction of eRx. So that is actually the reason we want to have this capacity before the big change. Yes. But that's not impacted by. And there was a second half of your question, which I forgot at this moment. Can you please repeat?

Gerhard Orgonas

analyst
#20

Yes. So I mean do you see the light at the end of the tunnel? Is that why you're very confident that this is -- it's not going to get worse than breakeven on EBITDA and that your guidance now is you have the full visibility for the rest of this year?

Stefan Feltens

executive
#21

Yes, Gerhard. Based on everything that we know today, this is the guidance that we want to provide to the market. We are confident, rest assured that there is no intent on our side that in a few months, we have to revise our guidance again. We are confident based on everything that we know today that the guidance is realistic and that we will be able to meet the guidance update that we're providing today.

Operator

operator
#22

We will now take our next question from Olivier Calvet from Kepler Cheuvreux.

Olivier Calvet

analyst
#23

Yes. I was just wondering if you could come back on the impact of your main competitors, current advertising campaign and general market trends on the OTC segment or, let's say, non-Rx generally speaking. Is this having an impact on your market share or what can you tell us on this?

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#24

Olivier. The reason for the call today is that we gave updated guidance and is only related to the capacity constraints, which is mainly manpower-related. So if any impact of what you're just saying then it's a not significant impact. In Q1 and Q2, there was in general, you could say, in Germany, but perhaps some increased competitive activity, but everything was in line with our guidance as to growth and also as to marketing. So no significant things happening there. Significance happening there, but not significant impact on our business.

Stefan Feltens

executive
#25

Just to add one data point there. Through the end of June, our market share in Germany, our non-Rx market share in Germany developed very nicely and according to projection. Again, it is that changed, of course, in June when we were simply not able to meet the customer demand. But until then, our market share non-Rx in Germany developed really as anticipated.

Olivier Calvet

analyst
#26

Okay. Fair enough. And then second question, could you give us a number on the Rx development in Q2? I mean, you published a number as part of the Q1 release. So I would expect to have it?

Stefan Feltens

executive
#27

Yes. You remember that already in Q1, we saw a decline in our Rx business. When we look at the half year number, the decline came in at 26% across the first 6 months of the year. After the 19% decline in the first quarter, we saw an additional decline, a stronger decline of our Rx business in the second quarter.

Olivier Calvet

analyst
#28

Sorry, just to clarify, the number I have in mind is 17% for Q1. Maybe it's my memory, right? But can you clarify this?

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#29

Yes,[ minus 17.7% in Q1. Minus 17.7% ].

Stefan Feltens

executive
#30

Yes. So 18%. And now for the full year, we're looking at a decline for the first half of the year, we're looking at a decline of 26%.

Operator

operator
#31

We will now take our next question from Michael Heider from Warburg Research.

Michael Heider

analyst
#32

Since most of the questions have been answered on the short-term issue, I would like to raise a question more generally on your view on the eRX introduction in Germany next year. So there's been a lot of talk on the delay of the Gimatic app and the ramp-up of the test period for Gimatic, but at the same time, I think there was a news that you will be able to simply scan the QR code, which is given on an eRX, which most of the time will be printed out when you go to see a physician. So can you confirm this that you still believe that it will be a very easy access to the eRx business from your side by simply scanning the QR code, which I think would be a very positive news?

Stefan Feltens

executive
#33

Yes. Michael, that is our understanding, and there's a certain level of confidence that goes along with our understanding based on everything and some of these are public statements what we're hearing from the decision-makers in Berlin. We will have -- again, I have to acknowledge, we will only have certainty once the ordinance from the health ministry on this topic, on this specific topic will have been published. We are expecting this any day because this ordinance will have to be notified to the European Commission that hasn't happened yet. But again, based on everything that we know is our understanding that the eRx token can be scanned by third-party apps, and that means it could be easily transmitted to your pharmacy of choice now gets a little bit technical, the token is not the e-prescription, because sometimes also in the media, there's some confusion. The token will simply allow the pharmacy to access the e-prescription data set on the server of the Gimatic in the cloud. But again, what you are -- what you were -- what you outlined, that is our understanding based on everything. And again, there were some reconfirmation just recently from Berlin that is our understanding, yes.

Michael Heider

analyst
#34

Well, I mean, since you are a pharmacy in Germany, clearly, there should be -- it should be possible also for you to access the eRX via the token, in my understanding?

Stefan Feltens

executive
#35

Absolutely, data is given. Data is given. The question -- and again, there have been test runs data is given. The question that sometimes is being asked is how can the token be transmitted to your pharmacy of choice. And again, there are statements. But again, we're waiting for the ordinance that third-party apps that it will be able and will be permissible to transfer the eRx token through third-party apps. And that would make that -- that is our assumption also going forward.

Operator

operator
#36

We will now take our next question from Miro Zuzak from JMS Investments.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#37

You basically blame the problems to the labor market in Venlo, I mean, that basically means that you as the CEO and the stock management person have forgotten to recruit the necessary people for your logistics hardware that you have in place. Now I appreciate that if you take responsibility for that and blame yourselves basically. But if I compare the development with you guys to other online pharmacies, who do not experience the same problems at all. Then I have told myself whether this is the full proof basically or whether there are some -- there must be, from my point of view, some other issues going on because you delivered EUR 284 million of revenues in Q1, much less in Q2. So there must be like a huge exodus of people with your facilities. And please clarify what really has happened there. I've also heard that delivery times basically went up massively in connection with that? And the second question then would be how much of the damage of the EUR 20 million basically the additional cost is dedicated to vouchers for customers who experienced a very bad UX in the sense of delivery times.

Stefan Feltens

executive
#38

In the situation that we're on is not the desirable situation. As I mentioned before, we had not anticipated the tightening of the labor market over such a short period of time. But again, I'm repeating myself, this is the key issue, the shortage of labor that we have experienced in connection, again, with operating 2 facilities in parallel, at least through the end of Q3 and an increase in customer demand that we simply could not satisfy. As Jasper already mentioned, in the later part of the second quarter, we actually reduced our marketing investments in order to reduce the number of incoming orders. So that we did not in the second quarter compensated by issuing vouchers on that. The extended delivery times that you are referring to, there also a result simply of the bottlenecks, the capacity constraints that we are experiencing today in our logistics processes. Besides the shortage of labor markets, I think you have some normal issues that we had anticipated in terms of starting up a new facility, transferring the bulk of our orders, meaning the DACH business from the old to the new facility and starting up the automation. But again, that is something that we had anticipated that has been part of our original guidance. The reason for changing the guidance today is really is the shortage of labor that we have experienced.

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#39

If I can add some color to that Jasper here. At the start of the year in Q1, there was still a rather good flexibility on the labor market. And the other things I'm saying now the statements are not all factual, but I mean it is our belief. It was also a very bad timing in hindsight from us to do a second part of the move because the moment we did it, it was beautiful weather for the first time in Europe, and there was a lot of loosening of corona measures. So you saw some of our staff for the first time since a year, staff that's coming from other parts of Europe, they could go back to their families at that moment. You saw some other businesses like restaurants, hotels, et cetera, looking for people because of the loosening of COVID measures and people also for the first time being able to travel again. So that all came together at the moment, we did a move when it was a holiday season in Germany with holiday seasons like Corpus Christi, et cetera. So there was a lot of things at the same time that led to the situation where our customer demand continued. We were doing the move. We were needing more people. And at that moment, it turned out that we were not the only 1 looking for a lot of more people, and there was less availability and more demand. So that was the situation that we faced in the second quarter.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#40

I have a follow-up, if I may, on this. But then why do you write in your e-mail that the situation is ongoing? Because I think they're like we are now 3 months later or almost in the quarter or, let's say, 2 months later, in the next quarter. So why are -- why haven't you still resolved the issue when this was due to holiday season and people returning to their families at home? I think I will be back now by now, right, after 2 months. Why do you still think the issue is ongoing?

Stefan Feltens

executive
#41

Again, the issue is ongoing. Again, in July, will be at a similar level as June. We are in the middle of the holiday season right now. We had a higher fluctuation as a result of this. And again, combine this with looking at the broader labor market with a larger demand, restaurants are opening up, other businesses are opening up, all this is a perfect storm in terms of having a tight labor market. Again, what we need to do is, we need to put some monetary measures in place, some nonmonetary measures in place in order to ensure that we attract the resources that we need in order to get back on our growth trajectory.

Operator

operator
#42

We will now take our next question from Uwe Schupp from Deutsche Bank.

Uwe Schupp

analyst
#43

Sorry, I was slightly late on the call, so apologies if you already answered some of my questions. Firstly, I guess in what life also all as much easier if you could kind of provide an order intake figure. I know it's a figure that you usually do not provide. But I guess just in terms of additional color, it would be rather helpful if you could give us the order intake growth so that we can put a comparison and give some context to the revenue number that you already provided? And how did that trend over the last couple of months would be rather helpful? And then Jasper, you mentioned in your earlier answer to the question, what was the reason for the weaker margin. You gave a third point, if I recall correctly, where you say that you want to defend your leading market position. What do I read into that? Is that really an increase in marketing spending in the first place or what does it really mean?

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#44

Yes. The clearest question to your first 1 is actually, if we would not have had a logistic constraint then our growth in the second quarter would have been 10 percentage points higher, 9 to 10 percentage point higher. So we published a 7% growth, and it would have been a 17% growth. And that's only based upon the backlog we had in processing orders. So not like intangibles what if we would have had more marketing or less marketing, et cetera. So I think that's the best answer to your question. So that means a continuation of Q1, slightly lower because Q1 was 22%. So that's the first question. And then number three, indeed, delivery, your question on my remark number three, delivered the let a little bit open. But indeed, it means that we will there do what it takes in order to get back on the customary growth levels. And that will be an example of that could be marketing. Yes.

Uwe Schupp

analyst
#45

Appreciate the color, Jasper. But isn't that slightly contradictory given where you are currently with regards to the hiring? Or should we read into that, that it's really more a Q4 thing when basically you look to be back in shape as regards to the logistics issue?

Jasper Eenhorst

executive
#46

Totally correct. This we will do at the moment, we have the robust desired levels of capacity again. Yes, absolutely. And that was not the case yesterday. So we -- so when we have the desired level again, now already, you see that the promised times to our customers, they have returned to good levels. So there we are now, there we are in a better shape than we were a couple of weeks ago. So the customers get their parcels generally on time again. So that's much better this week than it was before, but we still limit the capacity orders in, I should say, until the moment that we can produce more orders again.

Operator

operator
#47

That concludes today's question-and-answer session. Mr. Feltens, at this time, I will turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Stefan Feltens

executive
#48

Okay. So again, thanks for your attendance. Again, there are more fun calls to have than a call when you need to reduce your guidance. But again, it is what it is. Again, our intent was to provide some color in terms of the drivers and what's going to happen until the end of the year, we'll be able to provide more color at our Q2 earnings release call on the 5th of August. And of course, you always know how to find Jasper and me if you have any further questions in the meantime. So at this point of time, on behalf of Jasper and me, I want to thank you again for your time, and I'm looking forward to talking to you in the not-too-distant future. Thank you very much. Bye-bye. Have a great weekend.

Operator

operator
#49

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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